Heart Of The Team - Cal Offensive Line In 2011
TwistNHook: Well, hope springs eternal in Berkeley. After a few years of inconsistencies on the line, Coach M is back and (hopefully) better than ever. With question marks at other offensive skill positions, having a staunch OLine is more important than ever. What can we expect from the big uglies up front in 2011???
OhioBear: Call me a simpleton (pause while everyone reading this calls me a simpleton), but I think we can expect our O-line to be much improved. I think that highly of Coach M. His track record with Cal offensive lines during his first go-around on the staff is beyond reproach.
It has been discussed here that a big difference between Coach Michalczik and Coach Marshall is that Michalczik emphasized technique more than Marshall did. Coach Marshall had a lot of emphasis on the analytic side (i.e., O-linemen reading the defenses).
Kodiak: For the record, I didn't call Ohio Bear a simpleton. (Kind of overkill considering he already lives in Ohio, right?)
TwistNHook: Does it change anything that Maynard is a southpaw?
LeonPowe: The talk out of camp is that it doesn't and they're not flipping the line due to Maynard's handedness. But what do I know?
Tedford said the coaching staff discussed flip-flopping Mitchell Schwartz and Matt Summers-Gavin on the offensive line but decided to keep Schwartz on the left and Summers-Gavin on the right. Maynard is left-handed and conventional wisdom says you want your best tackle protecting his blind side, in this case the right tackle. But Tedford said "A lot of times the guy that’s in your face is more disruptive than the guy behind you because you don’t see the guy behind you… as long as we’re not whiffing on the back side. If you got a guy coming in your face, that’s going to affect your throw more. And the best defensive ends are usually on that side. But we have a lot of confidence in Matt, too. We have two good tackles. It’s not that big of a deal."
OhioBear: For the record, here are Cal's yards-per-rush statistics for the Tedford era teams
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Allow me to wear the MOTO hat and say that if we have good offensive line play we will have a good year. To me this is the only real question going into this year – we have answers almost everywhere else, special teams coverage excluded.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
MOTO?
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by CalBandGreat on Aug 21, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
MOTO = Master Of The Obvious.
It’s shorthand for Captain Obvious, a term with which I am familiar.
"We do not seek men who will bravely lie down to die, but men who will fight valiantly to live."
"Winning is not everything. It is far better to play the game squarely and lose than to win at the sacrifice of an ideal."
-- Andrew Latham Smith
Ooooooohhhhh. Thanks!
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by CalBandGreat on Aug 21, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we had a great backfield the past few years, the problem though was more than the line, it was the fact that we had no credible passing threat. Stack the box, dare us to throw, and wait for three-and-out. Its a testament to how good Jahvid and Shane were that we won as many games as we did.
by Glanko on Aug 21, 2011 3:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The O-line was simply not good last year, and as much as I respect coach M, I think this is going to be a serious weak spot for the team this year.
Well, I also think that O-line is one of those positions where it takes a while for players to fully develop, so I think the returning experience at this position will actually be pretty meaningful. I’m cautiously optimistic.
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by atomsareenough on Aug 21, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you’re right concerning depth, but considering not only Coach M returning, but Blasquez working his magic with getting these guys more fit and quicker due to losing some bodyfat, I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised by the strength of the O-line.. Injuries will of course possibly derail this as it can for most teams, but especially Cal
I’m one of those delusional Cal fans that has high confidence in the OL.
Two reasons are at the core of this confidence: (1) the experience and number of returning starters and (2) the repatriation of Coach Michalczik to the coaching staff.
I’m taking a bit of a wait-and-see attitude on a 3rd reason: the switch from Coach Krasinski to Coach Blasquez on the S&C side. But it is critical and I’m actually placing lots of confidence in published reports of players’ enthusiasm for the change in regime and focus.
I consider S&C critical for the simple reason that in the past players seem to wear down as the season progresses. I also feel that S&C plays a critical role in the incidence of injuries: if the regimen has all-around excellence, players will be better able to fight off injury. No regimen will eliminate injury, but reducing the incidence may be the difference between having sufficient depth to meet the challenges of the opposition or not having the depth.
Further, back-ups will be better able to step in when needed if their S&C regimen has prepared them for that distinct possibility. Nebraska’s S&C program was legendary for decades because it allowed the Cornhuskers to develop OLs as a unit by class. You could see that Nebraska OLs were filled almost exclusively with Seniors 1st and Juniors 2nd. Sophomores and Freshmen didn’t crack the starting lineup. That’s where Cal wants to be eventually. That’s how you build a juggernaut offense, year after year.
Even with those 3 factors (starter experience, return of Coach M, S&C regimen), the psychology of the OL unit will impact the season performance. And this will be impacted by all 3 of the factors I cited earlier. Right now, I read of a positive attitude shift among the OL unit. When they’re tested by adversity, we’ll find out the depth of their resilience. I have confidence in Coach M to instill a nasty attitude and perseverance that any OL needs. I’m looking for it to be strengthened throughout the course of the season.
"We do not seek men who will bravely lie down to die, but men who will fight valiantly to live."
"Winning is not everything. It is far better to play the game squarely and lose than to win at the sacrifice of an ideal."
-- Andrew Latham Smith
Risbee, our former 4*, is a RS Jr OT this year and is held in such high standard that the team moved their promising guard (MSG) to tackle. FML. Hopefully he and Coach M can reconnect from Rigsbee’s recruiting days.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
You could see that Nebraska OLs were filled almost exclusively with Seniors 1st and Juniors 2nd. Sophomores and Freshmen didn’t crack the starting lineup.
That sounds great. But im sure that come spring/summer preview analysis, everywhere it will get negative reviews for having Zero returning starters on OL. You will always read, the entire OL needs to be replaced.
… which really doesnt mean anything. but it will be annoying.
You could see that Nebraska OLs were filled almost exclusively with Seniors 1st and Juniors 2nd. Sophomores and Freshmen didn’t crack the starting lineup.
Wait a second, I used to play basketball in Hong Kong with a lawyer who was a starting lineman for Nebraska as a true freshman – he ended up dying in the Bali bomb blast. Jake Young.
Very good.
You cited the exception to the rule. See Jake Young’s official Nebraska bio here.
"We do not seek men who will bravely lie down to die, but men who will fight valiantly to live."
"Winning is not everything. It is far better to play the game squarely and lose than to win at the sacrifice of an ideal."
-- Andrew Latham Smith
Lefty QB and the Oline
Whenever I do my Madden franchise drafts I always consider a great LT early when I’m taking a RH QB but I’ve never thought (in re: Tedford’s quote) about seeing “the guy that’s in your face” before. When you have a scrambling QB I start to think about what is the greater benefit; having someone protect your ass or knowing that you have a great block on the side you’re usually facing. Whether Zach’s scrambling game will live up to all of our expectations [and remind us of Aaron’s greatness] is yet to be seen, but we can keep our fingers crossed. I will certainly be keeping a tally of sacks coming from the right side of the line..hopefully none will remind me of Pain Train slaying Ainge. It just don’t get old, do it?
Fack Muck Brown!!
I’m concerned, for a variety of reasons. As of now, the line just hasn’t proven itself to be that talented. I’m not nearly as optimistic about coaching as everyone else, for a couple of reasons. First, Marshall decided he needed to focus a lot more on technique last offseason….where did that get the line? Let’s just say I’m wary of the idea that a change of focus like that is a magic cure-all. Second, even if Coach M is a much better coach than Marshall, it’s something that takes time. You don’t get the benefits immediately, they come over time as the players work with him, starting as soon as they get to Cal. He’s only been here one offseason – I think it’s wise to temper expectations some because there’s only so much that can be done in such a limited timeframe.
Next, someone like Galas – if he’s so exciting, shouldn’t he have been pushing for PT earlier, given the questionable play of the line the last couple years?
We’ll see what happens, but until I see some improvement, I’m not overly optimistic….
Cal’s problems are not play calling or scheduling. Scroll through the committment lists from 2006-present for the OL recruits. Yes, I know 2006 is off the books, but it helped explain why 08-10 was “meh”.
As far as I can tell, we’ve “hit” on only Schwartz and juco recruit Mike Gibson. All else have either dropped out completely, haven’t lived up to their recruiting hype, or are still unproven.
Of the “haven’t lived up to recruiting hype” group, many have not received an offer from The Big Boys. Similar teams that pop up include UW, Colorado, the Arizonas and, on occasion, Oregon and Nebraska. Nebraska tries to recruit many NorCal guys, and Oregon’s OL style of play shouldn’t overlap with what Cal’s looking for in an olineman. Brazinski, an ESPNU Top150 guy, had his best non-Cal offers came from Florida St.
I have high hopes for Gibson and Crostwaithe, but I would hope either could nudge Cheadle out of the starting lineup (22 career starts !!!). It should be noted that Coach M was the lead guy on the ’06 and ’07 classes…
That’s it. Look no further. Recruit mediocority and/or not develop your talent and this is what we’ll get.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Two other factors that could have impacted OL recruiting
George Cortez (Tedford’s original OC at Cal) and Eric Kiesau (WR coach now reunited with Tedford at Cal), also left the coaching staff after the 2005 season. IIRC, they were replaced by Jim Dunbar (from Minnesota, IIRC) and Dan Ferrigno. Could this have had an impact on OL recruiting?
As I understand it, individual coaches have a responsibility for a particular region. What if the regions covered by Cortez and Kiesau were shifted to Dunbar and Ferrigno? Different coaches, different results.
"We do not seek men who will bravely lie down to die, but men who will fight valiantly to live."
"Winning is not everything. It is far better to play the game squarely and lose than to win at the sacrifice of an ideal."
-- Andrew Latham Smith
of the 2011 starters
For thsoe scoring at home, I’m putting MSG and Galas in the “we’ll see” category pending their 2010 results. They definitely seem intriguing. Galas needs to avoid the 10 and 15 yard penalties. That will = a Bears punt for sure. MSG needs to stay healthy and somehow survive the LG—>RT—>LT—>RG—>LG—>RT game of musical chairs. Schwenke, given his 3* entry status I guess is a hit? I think that’s a fair and frank assessment. Cheadle, in my opinion, is overstretched as a 35 game collegiate starter (!), assuming he’s healthy and “effective” for 2011, but I think he’s best used in a reserve role. However, given his conversion from DL and his 3* entry status, I think he should be considered a hit.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Cheadle, in my opinion, is overstretched as a 35 game collegiate starter (!)
Wait, what? 35? He started most of games in 2009 and 2010, but I dont think he started in 2008.
So it should be more like 20~24 collegiate start for Cheadle, I think.
2008 looked something like Schwartz – Guarnero/Boskovich – Mack – Malele – Teofilo
and 2009 was like, Tepper – MSG – Guarnero – Cheadle – Schwartz
I’m scoring at home.
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