Golden Nuggets: Can Cal Afford to Compete in the Pac-12 North?
by Berkelium97 on Jan 17, 2012 3:30 PM PST
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PrintThis offseason we've seen other Pac-12 schools dish out hefty contracts for new head coaches. Now our own assistants are being bought at prices the University simply cannot afford. ESPN asks a tough question: can the Bears keep up in this arms race?
Thirty-year-old Tosh Lupoi, born and bred a Cal Bear and arguably the top-recruiting assistant coach on the West Coast, bolted Berkeley on Monday for Washington -- a huge blow, 15 days before signing day, to 10th-year coach Jeff Tedford and a landscape-altering move in the Pac-12.
This is reality at Cal, where the athletic department operates under the weight of a budget deficit that exceeded, on average, more than $11 million from 2003 to 2010, according to a university report.
Lupoi, who recently finished his fourth year as defensive line coach under Tedford, reportedly earned $164,000 at Cal. At Washington, he received a new title: defensive run game coordinator -- and, no doubt, a big raise.
How does Cal match that? It can't.
This is the school that axed five sports two years ago and then reinstated baseball months later after fund-raising efforts produced nearly $10 million.
It's astounding to imagine that the University of California's unofficial flagship institution can't compete on an even field with its conference rivals. But it's true.
After the jump we have more on Tosh's departure and the recruiting implications.
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- Eric Kiesau has also jumped ship. Tedford and Barbour have a press release related to the matter. The comments are nothing insightful--mostly mediaspeak.
- Tosh Lupoi has accepted a job (and a huge raise...and maybe a boat) at UW. More from Faraudo.
- BearInsider has a good story on the departure.
- Gabe King found out via Twitter that Tosh was leaving. More from King: he says he understands the move but would have appreciated hearing something, anything from Tosh.
- Shaq Thompson is considering UW now thanks to his great relationship with Tosh. Aziz Shittu is not sure where he will commit now.
- Several of the non-D-line commits reaffirmed their commitment to Cal.
- Ellis McCarthy is the first recruit lost after Tosh's departure. He will instead join UCLA. More on his decision.
- Shane Vereen is the last hope for the Bears, as he remains the only Cal alum in the Super Bowl title hunt. As much as it would pain me to see New England win, I'd be happy if Shane got a ring.
- The women's team persevered through a defensive struggle to earn a 63-56 win over Utah.
- Gottlieb mentioned postgame that her team needs to continue to win these road games if it wants to become elite.
- Monty is not sure whether Brandon Smith will be available to play this weekend.
- Monty speaks at what suddenly became the least interesting press conference ever (the Lupoi news was announced midway through).
- Ryan Anderson scored a career high 30 points on Monday (to be fair, it was against the Knicks). He made 7 three-pointers and is 40 of 93 from downtown this year.
- The Bears wrapped up the UCLA Tournament with a 58-0 win over the Bruins. Cal also defeated Loyola Marymount 95-3. The Bears have outscored opponents 269-6 and have not given up a try.
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Is Cal willing to spend $$$ to keep fball assists? Chancellor Robert Birgeneau told me those decisions are in hands of Tedford & Barbour
Birgeneau: “This is a strategic decision by the coach and athletic director on how they want to allocate their resources.”
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM PST reply actions
Isn’t that sort of throwing Jeff and Sandy under the bus?
Sounds familiar…pattern?
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
How is that throwing them under the bus? They have a budget. How they want to spend it is up to them. That’s what running a department is about.
They should purchase busses instead of renting them. Then they could more easily throw things under the bus. But then we’d have to repair the bus. So yeah, maybe renting the busses makes sense.
WE ARE THE 0%
by zoonews on Jan 17, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
DUDE WE’RE BROKE, REMEMBER?
we can’t even lease a damn bus for gosh sake
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Time to buy Fung Wah tickets!
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by sec119 on Jan 17, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We need one of those El Paso to L.A. chicken buses. We could lease that, but Tedford would have to drive it because we can’t afford a driver.
Why use a bus?
Just use a candy van with an Xbox inside it. It’ll work. Trust me.
No?
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Cal fans: Each school has own priorities and each must deal with consequences. If salary pool for asstnts not competitive, u lose asstnts.
Only time Cal has been aggressive $-wise with fball was when it was desperate to keep Tedford.
If school wanted to toss additional $1 million of institutional $$$ to fball salary pool, it could. But that’s not Cal.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Armstead
Idk if you guys saw on Twitter, but Armstead still lists us on his top prospective schools, along with Oregon, Auburn, and Notre Dame. I doubt he comes here but as of now we’re still not out of the race I guess.
The fact that he hasn't announced it yet
Pretty much shows that he was going to commit to Cal yesterday, or at the latest today.
Now he can’t announce because he has to re-do his evaluation agian.
He’s probably chosen his second school and is waiting to see who we hire, giving us a second chance since he liked us originally?
That is what I am hoping for as well
same with Ellis. Perhaps if we hire a DL coach and get one more chance we might be able to get one of these guys to come back to Cal.
I actually think it’s the exact opposite of McCarthy. He didn’t just open up his recruitment—he verballed to his number one choice given these events.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 17, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Harper, Dozier and Payton, Walker are all looking around. No word yet from Powe or Treggs.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Powe should release he’s firm soon.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
I think we should all calm down...
We all got jacked by the great class lined up. No matter what happens, we have a damn good class. And yeah, it sucks for us to lose Tosh and Eric, but that happens too. We stole KA from Alabama, Brendan Bigelow and McClure last year, and I don’t think I shed a tear for those schools. So perhaps it’s time for us to put our big boy pants on and realize that the old Cal way of doing things is either going to be the way forward, or we’re going to have to get our hands dirty and start competing on all levels. I don’t know how I feel about that. As a Cal alum, I sorta like the idea that we’ll get to the Rose Bowl, but we’ll do it on our terms. Sure those terms have been to wait over 60 years, but still…it’s who we are. We need to pay our assistants in order to make sure that shiny new athletic center and stadium aren’t monuments to futility. But I don’t want us to be just another football factory.
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by alpha1906 on Jan 17, 2012 3:52 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
Agreed...
If we didn’t have a great core of academics and good kids in the program, we would have a lot more to worry about. This is probably the shot in the arm that’ll make us spend what we need to.
THIS!
Absolutely. We will never be a football factory – we cannot put the money into doing that. I’m surprised that UW can, but then again, UW is a good university with a formerly great football program. Not sure that UW will ever be a great football program again either – it seems more like a stepping stone program, much like Cal has turned out to be.
Cal kids need to want to be Cal kids, and these recruits need to understand and perceive the value that Cal will give to their lives far beyond the gridiron. You have to work so hard to survive the academics here – I know I barely did – but the reward is so great.
We have some solid kids coming in, and maybe we have some great hires coming too. I didn’t want Braun to go because he was decent with the academics and the kids rarely got into trouble. Then we hired Monty out of the blue – game changer. Maybe we have some of that for the football team too.
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by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Seems like a false dichotomy. Wisconsin, Michigan, Texas are all fine academic institutions with good to great football traditions.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
yes, but historically, we pooled more money into academics and built that reputation so that professors will turn down higher pay (aka jobs @ texas) to stay at Cal. A lot of those institutions did the converse.
but there is a sweetspot.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think we can find a way to do both, to the benefit of the other.
I don’t get why academics are so hostile toward football here. They are killing the thing that would bring alumni back to the program.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s the whole Professor’s payscale rant. They’re the lifeblood of the University, and then the football coaches get paid more? I think I’d be pretty pissed off too.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
California Pete posted this in the other thread. I find it persuasive.
“It’s not bad to win, and it’s not bad for a non-profit institution to develop its revenue sources to fund its operations. But unlike a business enterprise, the goal of a non-profit is not defined by its bottom line. Instead, the bottom line must always take a back seat to the core mission of the institution.“The arms race in college football long ago grew to perverse levels, but I celebrate the fact that my alma mater balked at the prospect of paying a junior-level assistant coach far more money than the overwhelming majority of the faculty. Even if it could be demonstrated that such compensation would have a positive net effect on the university’s finances—that the work done by said coach indirectly leads to an increase in revenue gain that accounts for his inflated salary—it is just too far astray of the institution’s core mission for me to stomach.”
Unfortunately, times change. There are times when you may need to alter your core mission just a little. I think it’s naive to stick your nose up at an opportunity to invest in something that will gain you revenue long term while engaging and unifying your student body.
If we remain too stubborn with this stance, we WILL miss our chance and go through decades of futility on the field, we will continue to run a D1 program that runs at a net loss, and we will regret not taking a stab at creating a self-sufficient athletics department when we had everything in place to do so. We need to make the investment in winning games when we have a coach and staff that can do so. If we wait till they leave, we’re basically waiting on a miracle.
Don't forget:
A student body from a school that invested in them (football brings entertainment and unity) remembers said school fondly and comes back to donate as thanks. A student body forsaken doesn’t give a sh*t.
I was born and raised a Cal fan, but I went to UCSD for college. They didn’t spend money on anything but academics and research. It’s great for them, they have their values and they’re sticking by them. I have no reason to go back to that school or give them any of my money because they weren’t willing to go that extra distance for me.
Cal is far from this position, they’re showing that they do care. But they still need to take that extra step. I don’t think they need to become an OSU, but they need to show they don’t want to be perennial cellar dwellers in the PAC-12.
Very true. I attended UC Santa Cruz for 3 years before Cal, and my gf went to UCSD.
We both agree that at those two universities, school pride was next to nonexistent.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
You wouldn’t give them more money for academic stuff?
FUTBALL IZ SRS BUSINESS GUYZ // ONLY HAVE FUN WHEN ROZ BWL
--Thoroughbred
You see...
I graduated with a B.A. in Economics. They didn’t care about anyone who wasn’t some form of an engineer unless they were studying the ocean. All the engineers got potlucks, awards, parties, dinners, etc. I got no homework. WHOOPEE!
Basically, UCSD focuses on one or two things and gives the finger to anyone who doesn’t have the same interests, even if it’s their students.
The students were begging for a football team, but the school said we had no money. And then rewarded us by giving us a bigger food center to spend more money (replacing Wendy’s with BURGER KING WTF) and installing a 1 million dollar life size fountain of a merman.
dude. I love Wendy’s.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, right.
If any of you guys have younger siblings or kids who are considering UCSD for anything non-sciencey, I’d recommend they go elsewhere unless their fall-backs are like UCSB/SDSU. It’s that bad. The undergrad programs are not deserving of their high rankings from my experience, and most of my friends agree with me. Their undergrad rankings are all due to a few Nobel Prize winners in the grad program and has nothing to do with the actual school you’re applying to (like most other universities). I’ve only experienced a few professors whose lectures were worth attending and the ones I didn’t get have all had horrible reviews. They recently opened a business school, but it’s brand new and you’re probably better off in another one.
On the other hand, it’s a great school for aerospace, chem, biochem, etc.
It’s also bad if you want to have fun.
I hope this kind of shows you guys why not a single penny of mine is going back to my alma mater.
I thought you guys all had funa t UCSD going to the beach and eating Jumbacos down in Tijuana.
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only things fun about UCSD are Sun God Festival and Pacific Beach.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
iono about you… but I had fun going there… just gotta know where to look. parties don’t come to you there, which is unfortunate, but if you know the right people it’s fun.
Like that one SDSU frat????
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Don’t get me wrong, I had a good time aside from school. I had great friends and we had a ton of fun together. None of that is thanks to the school.
i agree that the fun didn’t come from the school. but IMO the school is there to educate you, not to provide fun. you should somewhat find your own fun. Also, SunGod’s pretty fun and is school funded so….
When did you graduate? They ruined Sun God. I was there for the last good Sun God (my sophomore year) and then everything went to shit.
Also, I’m not saying the school should provide all forms of entertainment. I’m saying they shouldn’t be trying so hard to remove all fun from campus.
Yeah, that’s the problem at UCSD. The faculty are really snobbish about academics. When they were discussing moving to D-1, a bunch of professors and admins were all like, “we don’t want to b/c then we would have lots and lots of dumb jocks in the classes.” Seriously? some of the athletes I know get much better grades than the non-athletes in legitimate subjects. They’re so proud that they’re the “research” school, they have their heads up their asses when looking at other things.
Student athletes generally have this thing regular students don’t called dedication and commitment. It’s usually a good thing. The professors at UCSD who were canned during high school probably don’t get that and are probably all imagining high school asshole jocks from their past.
‘11, no complaints about the last few ones… the dance tent is legit now. but they shortened it about 2 hours last year due to funding, but it just gave you more time to drink b/f the whole thing started, so it wasn’t terrible. In truth, no one sees the noon act anyway lol.
Ah, I graduated ’09. What you experienced is an extremely toned down version of Sun God. Nobody sees the noon act anyway because of how they changed it. Before, it was all over campus and people were drunk at the noon act.
The whole 6 colleges thing didn’t really help either. It was literally a ton of small groups of people. Like I said in an earlier post, no school unity. No reason to care about anyone outside of my small group of friends. I could’ve joined a frat, but was happier with what I had.
the 6 colleges things is stupid, agreed. i doesn’t even matter after freshman year. When they had money issues and were cutting libraries, services, and people, I thought, why not cut colleges? that way, you can consolidate the 6 admin teams needed to run them into one and save lots of money. not sure it would’ve fixed every thing, but it would’ve helped IMO
So, it sounds like there are myriad reasons you wouldn’t give to UCSD, beside their lack of football team.
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--Thoroughbred
yeah, not sure I like what direction the admin is taking the school. I love the people there, the location, and the school for the most part, but disagree with the snobbish, “sports aren’t that important angle” & “we’re smart, so that’s all we need” mentality. that’s probably the reason for the lack of school pride that admins are only somewhat concerned about. Sadly, I’m one of the few w/ school pride and even I have major reservations about the people there. I’d love nothing more for SD to get a football team or even go D-1 to get more exposure so I wouldn’t have to explain to people that there’s a much better school in SD other than SDSU
The beach is great, but the town HATES the students, and will call the cops for ANY party – at least that’s what my son has relayed.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
this is true. the locals will not help you.
… and stay the f outta the flats.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Party? I spilled cake once on the carpet in my apartment and had the cops — NO, not security, but THE COPS — called because I had my vacuum on for like 10-15 seconds too late at night and didn’t want ants. Sorry neighbors, we had cake at midnight for a birthday. I’ll make sure to tell their parents to never have kids again because that’s too loud.
hell, I’ve gone through that here in LA. LOL
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Reminds me of that South Park episode
Gerald: You see, son, fads come and go. And this “Chin-po-ko Mon” is obviously nothing more than a fad. You don’t have to be a part of it. In fact, you can make an even stronger statement by saying to your peers, “I’m not going to be a part of this fad, because I’m an individual.” Do you understand?
Kyle: Yes. Yes, I do, Dad. Now let me tell you how it works in the real world. In the real world, I can either get a Chinpokomon, or I can be the only kid without one, which singles me out, and causes the other kids to make fun of me and kick my ass.
Gerald: Hm. Good point; here’s $10. [hands it to him]
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously this is just going to be a difference in core values. Which is fine, in the spirit of both this discussion board and Berkeley.
But you’re getting awful close to calling people who disagree with you fools, and I’d encourage not to avoid that line. Some people are just going to believe differently.
People are entitled to their beliefs, and I would like nothing more for Cal to be able to win without having to splurge for top dollar recruits.
But college football is still a business, and if we don’t treat our employees in that business the same way we treat our academics, we’re more likely going to get a sub-par product.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
*top dollar coaches. Don’t want us to go full USC either.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
I agree logically with the cause and effect. I fully understand the free market principles here and the revenue generating opportunities that we’re probably bypassing. But at the same time, I still have a hard time with the concept of a 29-year-old employed by the University whose primary skill is teaching tackling and relating to high-school players having a salary that dwarfs professors at the top of their field.
If it's not coming from private funds, it has to come from public funds
I would prefer our donors to pony up, but they’re probably tapped out at this point.
If we’re not able to afford new coaching deals, Cal has no choice but to grow the donor base if they plan on remaining competitive.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve probably given the university $1000 or so since graduating a few years ago, basically all to the campaign for Berkeley, probably a similar amount to various other charities, and never given a penny to athletics, outside of what I’ve spent on tickets. It is a bummer to see coaches go because they can get paid 3x as much elsewhere, but I’d personally donate the same way all over again, even if I had a lot more money to donate. I’m proud of so much this university stands for, and that is not going to change if the football program returns to the wilderness.
by Ursa Major on Jan 17, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Same here.
… Perhaps we should start adding a little more to athletics though.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
I learned after getting completely stiffed by the ATO this year, that if I only donated $100, I’d have gotten priority to better seats.
Dude. I spend $100 on dumb shit every month.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
On this subject, during the years I was a Bear Backer, I thought the customer service would have been horrendous for someone that was selling me a service, much less for an organization that was basically asking for donations. I doubt the equivalent at Texas, Michigan, etc were that bad. I hope it has improved.
That is a criticism I hear leveled at the ATO often. Poor customer service.
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I don’t see why it needs to be an either-or principle.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Then you aren’t trying very hard, Avinash. I have a finite amount of money, and I consider one thing more important than the other.
by Ursa Major on Jan 17, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I’ll agree with this, although it hurts. Just wish the State was better financially, and somehow football operations generated more money.
But let’s think of it this way: All the money that’s going to paying off our athletic debt will be used for athletics once that debt is paid off. I’m not sure how long that will take, but it’s only a matter of time until the Pac12 Network money actually translates to coaching money.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Wins generate more money. We should have some pride in being good on the field AS WELL as in the classroom and lab. They are not mutually exclusive notions.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
That definitely rings of cutting one’s nose to spite one’s face.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of those institutions did the converse.
My father in law teaches – well, just retired from teaching – at Michigan, and I think he would quibble with that assessment.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Not really relevant to this discussion – point being that Michigan didn’t just decide one day to say the hell with academics, we’re going long on football. They are facing some serious budgetary issues as well.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
wasn’t trying to be retaliatory, just curious.
interesting
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
The big to-do over the last several years there was the expansion / addition of luxury suites to Michigan Stadium – partly because of the increase in the elevation of the top of the stadium and partly because of the “1-%er” vibe of the whole thing.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Yes
The thing those institutions have that we don’t is a tradition of having a boatload of big time donors to athletics and a tradition of having a student body that cares about athletics.
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yeah
Also, interest of the less-rich fans that you need to fill a big stadium isn’t going to pick up overnight. Michigan for one has a huge local following of people who never attended or worked at the school. Cal doesn’t have much of a fan base beyond its students and alums.
I would agree that Michigan is in the same academic neighborhood
but UM has a freaking rabid football following to back up their incredible stadium and history. While they are a fine institution all around, they had and maintained for the most part a huge football relevance.
Cal was great football in the ’50s, and sporadically good and rarely great since. And for the most part, no one cared a whole lot. Except for the folks like us who have read/posted over 2500 entries on CGB over the past 2 days.
But I would argue strongly that a degree from those schools carries anywhere close to the worldwide gravitas of a Cal degree.
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by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Michigan and what other school?
Also, Michigan is, I’ve heard, almost 100% endowment now. They are somewhat shielded from the vicissitudes of state budgets. That’s a huge difference from Cal.
There are ways to get Cal students and alumni back into football, but they require more creative thinking from the ticketing office. Say, giving 500 tickets to the engineering department to use as class or homework incentives. Or by adding a $1 charge to the ticket price that would directly benefit the department that brings the most students and faculty and staff to a game.
I know a lot of departments that would rally around a team that would get them and extra 10k for a year.
That’s putting it mildly – although isn’t it about time for the Plymouth ice carving festival?
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
I have rarely been so cold and mopey.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
I didn’t think I had that last iota of misery in me… but I was wrong.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
It was my own fault. 1) I agreed to go to the Plymouth Ice Carving Festival. 2) It was effing freezing and I was not prepared for it, especially in the sock department. 3) There was no way I could cope with all those cheerful rotund midwesterners wobbling along between sculptures, stuffing their faces and shimmying to “tubthumping” by Chumbawumba, not without irony shields.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
TIL what the hell that song is called. I have also recently rediscovered the pleasure of having good footwear in freezing weather. [Luckily?], I probably don’t have the motivation to find my way out to Plymouth this weekend to relive your experience.
Seriously?
You would place Wisconsin with Michigan and Texas in terms of football tradition?
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
Good to great football traditions.
Wisconsin is good, Michigan and Texas are great. Pretty simple.
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Whelp, if an apocalypse scenario happened with the WR class, which is not impossible, then it would be hard to describe this class as “damn good.”
But in the bigger picture much of what you say resonates with me. I want to win and I want to go to a Rose Bowl, but I’m not entirely comfortable with the financial call to arms that some others seem to advocate. In my mind I know that college football is big business, but in my heart it’s still Saturdays at Memorial and hanging with some of the players at Clark Kerr afterward. When I hear talk about having to throw more millions at the problem, I picture the Miami 30 for 30, and instinctively cringe.
I’m probably being hopelessly naive, but I hope there really is a way for us to do this on our own terms.
Well...
A damn good class turns into a not so good class if we not only lose Ellis, but Harper, Dozier, Payton, and anyone else we lose when UW hires Coach M for 1 million a year.
Not just a not so good class
It becomes one of the worst.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Well most of us have been doing that for almost 40 hours now. TIME TO CATCH UP.
Try more alcohol. Works for me!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
look, if you don’t start freaking out harder, we’re going to pull your scholarship and give it to an up and comer. perform or get out.
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huh?
sorry, i just got off the phone with some guy over at uw. what were we talking about again?
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I think the “run game coordinator” allowed him to earn extra $/perks than just a positional coach, even if the position is total BS.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I don’t really think the position is BS. It basically means they get to take part in the occordinator responsibilities.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
but isn’t that exactly what a D-line coach does??
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Early survey says.................................
NO
Seriously, it seems like everyone else is spending on HC and assistants while Cal is still paying theirs like it is still the Pac-8.
Seriously, Cal athletics seems to be stuck in the Tom Hansen Pac10 while everyone else is joining the Scott Pac12.
The SAHPC was just to get us caught up to the rest of the conference
It isn’t as if we were making a big bold move to jump ahead of anyone. The SAHPC was just to get us even with everyone else.
So in a way, we finally made it into the Tom Hansen era of Pac10 facilities but are falling behind in the Scott Pac12 “GETTING PAIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD” Pac12.
The new center passes everyone in the conference
with the possible exception of Oregon – and ours is shiny and new. I think the upgrades were far too late in coming, but oh so welcome.
The salaries on the other hand? Hell, I don’t know how we retained anyone of quality. Like Coach Gould – probably true that his family ties keep him here more than anything else, otherwise, why not go for the cash somewhere else?
Tosh and Eric got ridiculous money. No way Cal can compete with that in this economic climate – even with the Scott Pac12 television deal.
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by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
How does ucla compete with that?
they are in the same UC system and economic climate as us. They are currently renovating their bball arena correct? I am sure Howland makes a pretty penny as well.
They also have an alumnus that is more accustomed to doing well in sports, and they are also most likely more willing to dish out for football than Cal alumns who would rather dish out money for another Nobel Prize. Not saying the latter’s a bad thing, but the school cultures do play a huge effect on alumnus tendencies.
I remember reading somewhere, though, that their fanbase is notoriously fickle when it comes to fundraising. They donate when they’re winning (as recently as their Howland Final Fours), but hold back their money when they are average to mediocre.
I assume that’s part of the (many) reasons why BN is so apoplectic over Dan Guerrero’s winery fundraising trips with alumni. It’s a way of milking alumni for money with very little discussion on the state of the athletic programs.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
God dammit, Redonkulous.
It’s your one job on these message boards!
not sure how well ucla is competing
If their salary allowance is anywhere close to ours, then they must be hurting too. When they briefly had football success didn’t they have attrition in the coaching staff too? And from what I hear, their facilities are pretty bad – they need upgrades too. I think their football practice field is only 80 yards long because there wasn’t enough room for a full sized field.
It will be interesting to watch Mora – he might be able to make some improvements over Neuheisel, but he is just beginning to interview for his next gig.
And Howland will be out soon unless his guys perform better. He is having trouble keeping players there and keeping recruits committed. Not an unfamiliar position right now.
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by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
True, I suppose ucla hasn't spent much on their previous two coaching
staffs but they have seemed to open up the wallets a bit more with Mora and his staff. Although, I suppose I could be wrong, I remember Walker and Chow being paid well.
How much are our other sports getting as compared to UW?
Maybe they are just keeping more of the TV revenue “at home” in the football program, while we’re subsidizing sports nobody cares about, that generate no revenue, like Women’s gymnastics.
Someone posted something earlier, and I remember seeing that they keep millions of dollars more than us every year. I wanted to say 10, but that sounded like too much as it was leaving my fingers. But they keep enough more than us that their ability to pay this much isn’t really shocking.
From a Husky
I’m surprised Tosh left, but I think you guys are over-doing the money aspect. Remember Sark’s first move was to poach Wilcox and Sirmon from Tennessee, and they turned down Texas a year or two before. There is a Longhorn Network, but there isn’t a Husky Network.
You’re focusing on Sark buying, but I think these guys are looking at what Sark is doing and they’re the ones buying what he’s selling.
I think these guys are looking at what Sark is doing and they’re the ones buying what he’s selling
Yeah, he’s selling a boatload of cash.
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by Berkelium97 on Jan 17, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What they are buying is more money and the potential to spring board off of UW
Any success at UW and I guarantee these guys will all move on to another job whether that be as a HC or a coordinator somewhere else.
Check my name
I’m skeptical. Why wouldn’t Wilcox go to Texas, then? I mean that’s a top of the top national program with more money than we have.
by Skeptical Dawg on Jan 17, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Who knows, the guy seems like a West Coast type of guy
Maybe he wanted to get back towards the west coast/PNW so he can start making some recruiting connections so that when he takes a HC job somewhere in the west he will have some recruiting connections.
I’m sure they all like Sark’s vision, but as soon as we saw the kind of money they offered Tosh, I think it becomes clear how crucial the money was.
Otherwise, they wouldn’t be paying him that much (plus a yacht made of Jumbacos).
by TheScientist019 on Jan 17, 2012 4:06 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Are you really sold on Sark?
I think he has done good things for UW, especially in the light of how things were after Willingham. But it seems likely that this is not a career destination for any of these guys – Sark, Wilcox, Kiesau, or even Lupoi.
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by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I think it is too early to tell with Sark, if it wasn't why would he go out and get all these guys
he clearly wants to win at UW and these moves show that.
Now everyone else is probably using UW as a spring board.
I agree and have no problem with assistants leaving Cal
My only issue has been with the way it was done, especially the way Tosh did it.
It is one thing if it is some random coach who has no connection with the school but when it’s an explayer who got his coaching start at the same school he played for, well you would hope they would have a bit more class and respect than what Tosh has shown.
Sark has turned down every opportunity presented to him, including USC.
He turned down UCLA and the Rams this year. I see no reason not to believe him when he says he is at UW for the long haul.
He has a long future of stealing other team’s coaches ahead of him. And why would he leave when he is so good at it?
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Sark offered them more money
(and more responsibility) than they were making at their current jobs and they took it. If that’s “stealing” then I don’t know how one fills coaching vacancies without stealing. Is there some pool of talented football coaches without jobs just sitting around at home that you know of but nobody else does?
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 4:36 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
What is it like to be so emotionally empty?
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I'm plenty emotional about my sports
and even I think the way Cal fans are reacting to this is insane.
UW’s OC/quarterbacks coach left to take the OC job at Alabama yesterday. QB play was the best thing Washington has had going for it the last few years, and really our only two super high-profile recruits this year are both quarterbacks. Despite all that, everyone here realizes that he’s getting a raise and the authority to call the plays (Sark calls them here), so the overwhelming response from Husky fans has been, “that sucks, but I can see why he went. Best of luck.”
Why are you completely flipping your shit?
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 4:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I live in a Dickensian hellscape, where each day is worse than the last. A constant state of paranoia where everybody and everything is out to get me. Like a raw nerve covered in siracha, every action made by others is a giant “FUCK YOU” designed solely and specifically for me. At no times am I allowed rest.
It’s called being a Cal fan. You wouldn’t understand.
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by TwistNHook on Jan 17, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Like a raw nerve covered in siracha
i totally snorted.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
FACT: We don’t have the rich tradition of Husky football to fall back on and be able to believe that everything will be okay.
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by Ohio Bear on Jan 17, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You see, Cal has this rich football tradition of sucking complete balls whenever shit starts falling apart.
Evidence: no Rose Bowl appearance in over 50 years, no Rose Bowl victory in over 80 I believe.
What can I say?
I gain hope whenever there’s sign of any of our teams getting better. And then reality hits.
Why are you completely flipping your shit?
Because 3 days ago, things looked awesome. The program was lining up what looked like it could be a top 3-5 recruiting class and had some excellent assistants who seemed as committed to the program as an assistant could possibly be. Dominos were falling all over the place, but positive dominos. Everything changed, now it’s all negative dominos. The best reasons for hope are falling apart. There are hints that some sleazy stuff is going on with it (stealing recruits away from the program with you as you leave, not communicating to any of your former players that you were leaving, etc.)…that’s ok if you don’t understand. Just realize this isn’t just a case of an assistant leaving – that’s happened plenty of times in the past, and it wasn’t a huge deal. It’s much more than that.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
i don’t even wanna read this, i’ll cry.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I see that
and I totally understand disappointment. I guess it’s mostly disheartening to see the vitriol being expressed here about Sark and UW in general.
We just capped off the statistically worst defensive season in school history by giving up 777 yards in our bowl game. For reasons I’m sure you can understand, we want to go out and get the best defensive staff available to us.
That’s all.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:12 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Because
Sark evidently thought he was the best man to fill our recently vacated OC position. I’m not sure why any more meaning has to be ascribed to it than that.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:18 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Hired by Alabama
Not “official” as yet, but a done deal.
by TualatinDawg on Jan 17, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
It was covered up by all the craziness
surrounding Lupoi yesterday, but our OC just accepted a position at Alabama.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:27 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I don’t understand how you don’t understand why we’d be a bit upset about losing our two coaches. Granted, the potshots about academics were unnecessary IMO, it’s easy to understand why’d we wouldn’t be celebrating losing one of the best young recruiters in the nation (homegrown too)
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
I honestly think people would be a lot less upset, and understandably so, if it happened after LOI’s. From a strictly Cal perspective, if the team really did land a top 5 class, it would have made the losses a lot easier to stomach. It’s the combo of losing the coaches and the potential of having such an amazing recruiting class fall apart.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt it. Transfers do still happen.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Are you talking about kids signing LOI’s and immediately trying to transfer…?
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Of course I understand being upset
And I certainly wouldn’t expect Bear fans to be happy about it. I don’t understand this newfound hatred for UW.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:20 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Because UW is the one making it happen, of course. Where else should the hatred be directed?
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Call me crazy, I guess...
but how about no hatred? Why does there have to be hatred?
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:29 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
A bad thing just happened to Cal, so there is hatred!
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Well, you see...
We were potentially on our way to our first Rose Bowl in over 50 years and UW potentially fucked it all up. This is more recent than Mack Brown, so there we go.
Hire the right guys to fill the vacancies
and you potentially still are!
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:34 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
They didn't do anything besides
offer jobs to a couple coaches that they thought could best fill their available positions.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:37 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
They completely overpaid the market value for our coaches. And while there will never be direct evidence, you can rest assured they knew they would boost their recruiting class with these two specific picks.
Exactly.
You think A’s fans are not bitter when their good players are picked up by bigger clubs?
Ugh I just compared us to the A’s…
They can be bitter
but how about being bitter at their team for not being able to afford to keep their best players instead of being bitter at the teams that can?
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:43 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Why keep trying to convince us that our reaction is incorrect? Sports involves fans—or fanatics. This may not seem logical to outsiders, but this is happening to US. I’m not saying I want UW to be nuked, but I’m also not saying I wouldn’t be happy if y’all get peed on by a Godzilla emerging from Puget Sound.
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
They’re probably just your average fan that thinks anyone with any extreme views in regards to something that’s “just a sport” is completely overreacting and that we need to reassess our values in life. I’m not perfect, but I’m completely happy with where I am right now hating UW.
Yeah, I don't know to be honest.
It sucks to see your school get ripped on by other people when you don’t feel like they did anything wrong. I probably should just take my leave. Best of luck.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:49 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Look, you’ve been exceptionally civil and calm and I personally appreciate the discussions this generated. But I’d never expect reactions to be completely logical and devoid of emotion
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
Hey, I appreciate you guys being intelligent about it at least.
More than I can say about the majority of people commenting on, say, the Seattle Times Husky blogs up here.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:55 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Don’t worry, the BearTalk blog isn’t any better than that!
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
Relieved to hear they're mostly the same
everywhere! Most of the time I read the comment section of the Times UW blog I feel like smashing my face against the keyboard! haha
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 6:09 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Well, it’s all well and great that you don’t feel like you did anything wrong, but just by saying that, we’re not going to feel any less wronged. You feel however you want about it, but please don’t expect us to pat you on the back for poaching our guys.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not incorrect because fuck Washington and fuck Steve Sarkisian and fuck Tosh and Kiesau too.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Alright, man.
Enjoy your misery.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 9:08 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I’d rather not have any misery, and if you guys hadn’t swooped in with your piles of cash, we probably wouldn’t be having much misery at all. How is that not an obvious thing?
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
You don’t pay much attention to baseball do you.
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I used to.
And then I came to terms with the fact that I can’t really stand it aside from the stats.
I AM SO ANGRY WITH THE ATHLETICS
for playing in a much smaller market and bringing in much less money than teams such as New York and Boston, which manifests itself when the A’s develop talent which is summarily stolen away by large market teams. SO ANGRY.
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It was fantastic."
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I don't even understand why the Clippers have fans at all.
Your owner is a negligent, racist old bastard who will never give a shit about your team which will always be overshadowed by the unquestionably dominant older brother. That’s bleak even for a Cal fan.
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It was fantastic."
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folks, for whatever, that like basketball but hate the lakers, for some reason choose the clippers. i don’t understand it.
See, I completely understand the desire to root for the Clippers just to spite the Lakers…but Donald Sterling is just too much. Can’t do it. Death to that franchise. Like AERose says, he’s an old, racist piece of shit that’s made his fortune screwing poor people and business partners every step along the way.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
“look at those beautiful black bodies” – donald sterling, old, racist piece of shit
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Seriously, it's like something out of a Ralph Ellison novel.
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It was fantastic."
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tickets were always a cheaper alternative, and some nearby angelenos identify with the underdog nature.
also, many laker fans are obnoxious, and you want to rep your own city, so that’s how the LA clipper fan was born.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
yeah…i went to a lot of clipper games as a kid. tickets were also a lot cheaper (and mom was not going to drive to inglewood, especially after the riots). even when they moved to staples, the clips were the 4th tennent of the building (behind the lakers, kings, concerts), so they got all the shitty gametimes. tickets were even cheaper.
I see. Would that they were owned by less of a terrible human being,
at the end of the day there’s probably more than enough room in LA for another successful basketball team.
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It was fantastic."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Would that they were owned by less of a terrible human being,
Pretty much this, we need David Stern to start power-trippin again and force him out. Maybe the NBA can buy them too to facilitate NO-LAC trades?
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Maybe he’ll just die soon.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
plenty of room.
lakers and clippers are both near the top in terms of, if i remember correctly, both revenue and profitabilty. i know the lakers and clips are both highly profitable, but not sure of clipper revenue.
Clippers actually ran pretty high profits considering their lackluster success due to their POS owner, who ran it as a business without any real regards to winning or losing games.
i mean, you can’t really accuse him of being cheap over the last half decade. he splurged on elton brand and baron davis. just because the moves didn’t work out doesn’t mean he didn’t spend the cash (recently).
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Of course the hires were made with an
eye towards recruiting. Recuiting is at least half of the job of a college coach. Again, the people best able to fill the available positions, and that includes being able to recruit.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
So you think we have no reason to be bitter that before our coaches even close the door behind them, they’re trying to bring all the 4 and 5 star recruits with them? The fact that Tosh was talking to “his” recruits about UW while he was still technically a Cal coach? For every recruit that flips to UW this year, I will hate them more.
The fact that Tosh was talking to "his" recruits about UW while he was still technically a Cal coach?
Not accurate. :\
I intend to singlehandedly kill this rumor.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
Good luck!
I’M GONNA KEEP SPREADING IT! :P
But you can’t deny the fact that he went and talked to all his favorite recruits and warned them he might be going to UW — which is confirmed by the ones now interested in UW — before he made his decision, and then continued to recruit them afterwards for obvious reasons (now being a UW coach). It wasn’t direct, but he opened them to the option by giving them the heads up and then came at them hard once he was a part of UW.
What are your sources?
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Same source as everyone else. I just read it accurately:
“He came in for a home visit last night and told me he was thinking about taking the UW job and wasn’t sure what he was going to do. I had heard the rumors for the last week but thought there was no way he was going to leave. Then he called me this morning and said UW gave him an offer that he couldn’t refuse and he was leaving. He asked if I would be interested in looking at Washington and said he wants to come back and visit me next week.”
(Quoting Shaq)
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
So… how is that different than what people have been saying?
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
People are saying that Tosh actively recruited Shaq that night. This is a little different.
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Well, what MB quoted matches up with what mrjpark very well:
But you can’t deny the fact that he went and talked to all his favorite recruits and warned them he might be going to UW — which is confirmed by the ones now interested in UW — before he made his decision, and then continued to recruit them afterwards for obvious reasons
That sounds exactly like what Shaq said.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
true, but mrjpark != all people, everywhere, in the history of the internet, who have ever commented on this. Keep in mind MB was responding to this
The fact that Tosh was talking to "his" recruits about UW while he was still technically a Cal coach?
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…and they both HAPPENED to be at a division rival which was us.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
If we had the money to do that, we would’ve have had the vacancies in the first place.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Because it's college football, not a fucking pleasant walk in the meadow.
Nemo me impune lacessit.
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It was fantastic."
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The Latin? I think I picked that one up off of DCTrojan in a DBD.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
I believe it is also the motto of the family of the Montresor in Poe’s “The Cask of Amontillado.” He walls up the other guy Fortunato in a crypt alive.
Ah. DCT mentioned it as the Scots national motto,
and they don’t come much more appropriate than that.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
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They're not even wankers, they're colonized by wankers!
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
That is a fucking great motto.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
Oh boo fucking hoo. Cry me a goddamn river. Seriously. Do you think we have any sympathy for you and your program’s apparent millions of extra dollars?
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Even if we keep most of the recruits, the point is that, with Lupoi gone, we’ve lost our ability to get the best of the best in the future
Not necessarily true.
My worries is for this year’s recruits. If our recruits stay this year, they send a message to the future recruits and we have a shot at winning more games, and thus more recruits. If everyone ditches us alongside our coaches, we’re doomed.
Nah.
We could hire an exceptional recruiter to replace him. He’s not the only good recruiter on earth.
He was (is?) a great recruiter, but I think (in part) all this is overblown. He was only effective because kids wanted to come to Cal, I’m sure the recruiting advantages we have will still be there after he’s at UW.
Salesmen are there to close the deal, but it doesn’t work if the product they’re selling isn’t quality to begin with. Make no mistake, this sucks, but we’ve recruited great players before Tosh, and we’ll recruit great players after he’s gone.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I dunno, in this recruiting business, it seemed Tosh got a lot of recruits who knew nothing about the program just to check it out/visit to begin with. I’m not sure he was there just to close the deal…
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Why are you completely flipping your shit?
Because grill-down side of my shit is done?
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I like this response
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Thanks. There might be a missing word in there however.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Is he now recruiting your QB commits to Alabama?
Also, we’re in the same fucking division, for fuck’s sake.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah that whole division thing really sucks.
Had Tosh went to Texas or Notre Dame or any where else I wouldn’t care nearly as much.
yup
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Funny, because we thought the same about Tosh, but evidently everyone has their price.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think you are over-doing the appeal of UW.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Kiesau not wasting any time with Payton
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 3:59 PM PST reply actions
DOOOOOOOOOOOM
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
LOL. I can only laugh at this point. It’s like a bad movie. Like Jerry Maguire.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Your baroness mojo is slipping.
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This news is tearing us apaaaarrrrrrrrttt!!!!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
TOOOO$$$HHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by sec119 on Jan 17, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
also rec’d
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
rec’d
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck them
Its one thing for an assistant to leave for more money, that can be understood, if not condoned. But the fucking nerve of these guys to (1) steal recruits that have committed to Cal; and (2) to try to sell these recruits on something 180 degrees the opposite of what they told them before.
Eeeesh
with all the pillaging going on, are we sure Mike Leach is still the head pirate of the evergreen state?
15-yard penalty for my avatar. /Pereira'd
does anyone think that part of this new influx of UW money is in response to WSU grabbing headlines w/ the highly touted Leach hiring? Maybe, just maybe, they’re trying really hard to make sure they’re the best team in Washington b/c they’re extremely scared of what leach might be able to build at WSU with Tuel/Holliday?
Seems like Leach has been out-pirated.
Unless he has something up his puffy sleeves – Cal still has some assistants on payroll (I think).
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by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
I personally think Leach has been busy trying to sabotage the Craig James campaign for congress. Pirate’s Revenge!!!
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What sort of inhuman monsters would want to hide that gif???
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I agree. The headerless gif stands!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Will you marry me?
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Gorcey says we're good with Powe
There. Good news.
Leon Powe left the school years ago.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
He’s still a member of the HitSquad here, so that’s good.
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FOR NOW
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Can we afford to?
Can we afford not to? If we lose we can count on a significant decrease in attendance, and if we win we can count on a significant increase. A change of just 9 or 10K per game increases revenue by at almost $3 million. (10K x $40 tickets x $10 in concessions x 7 home games)
It’s going to be a bit of a gamble either way. Hopefully success with the team over the next few years (seemingly a bit harder now with what’s gone down over the past two days) will force the university to invest more in the program, but we’ll see.
Football success can be a cash cow and I hope they see that at some point…
And what about the new TV contract...
….that’s giving us $14 million more per year, isn’t it?
Yeah, but I don’t know where that’s going. Presumably it’s going towards solving the budget issues for the school…
I’m hoping out of 14 million a year, even if it’s estimated- Hell, let’s make it 10-12 million just to be “safe”, they will spend 1-2 million at minimum making their coaches — EVEN THEIR ASSISTANT COACHES — happier. I hope Cal’s learned its lesson.
by mrjpark on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
New TV deal is a TOTAL of 16 million in the first year
WSU is getting a bunch of additional money because of how little we get currently but for many of the California schools(and I assume UW/Oregon) the additional tv money isn’t all that much in the first years of the deal.
That doesn’t factor in the money from the conference network which will probably take a couple of years to start rolling in due to start up costs.
Not enough money?!?!
As an ESP member with 2 seat licenses and 6 figures going into the program, I DON’T WANT TO HEAR THIS!!!
You don’t happen to have 1.2 million laying around for a new DLine and WR coach, do you?
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TV CONTRACT?
Come on, really? Nothing can be shaved out of that? Nothing?
I wish
But if the word went out to the old blues, something surprising might have happened… I think we all would have been willing to kick in a few more bucks a piece to keep Tosh.
I can only imagine what you’re feeling!
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When my wife and I agreed to do this, we figured we’re in it for the next 40+ years, whether Cal does well or god forbid, goes back to the way things were (I attended during the dark Holmoe era). 0-12 or 12-0, I’ll be at the games.
by srhgobears on Jan 17, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You are a good man, my new friend.
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I’m just going to invite srhgobears to my underground den of trolling. It’s where I keep my RedonkulousBear.
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Not only did they get boats, they get to ride a dog sled filled with cash to work
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 4:30 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Matt Cochran
Did anyone see the Cochran tweet? He retweed Shittu’s “fake” UCLA tweet
I will take some blame here
I consider myself a passionate Cal fan. I am a loyal fan who will never abandon the Golden Bears. I make a modest living and donate what I can to Cal athletics. Unfortunately, I don’t make millions and don’t have spare millions to give to Cal athletics, much less anyone.
I wish I were Cal’s equivalent of Phil Knight or T. Boone Pickens or (insert names of well known athletics benefactors here). Clearly, I chose the wrong career path and Cal athletics is worse off for it.
I feel terrible about this. Please forgive me, Cal fans. I have failed myself, the University, and all of you.
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Also, you should have sold shoes.
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Me too
I actually gave throughout my early professional career, but then stopped after taking a hard look at where my charity dollars might have an effect in the world.
But obviously if I had become a billionaire, I’d have the luxury of both.
This is my main problem with becoming a booster.
and I assume it is with most of us. I would LOVE Cal athletics to dominate, and do that with my help monetarily. But if I’m about to donate thousands/millions of dollars….. shouldn’t I be donating to a charity for the poor/ investing/ School of Engineering/ helping family instead?
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
The School of Engineering is wasting your money on mailings to people like ourselves who never were in the School of Engineering and have marked themselves in the db as “do not contact”. So that money can be smartly reallocated.
WE ARE THE 0%
they’re sending you mail, really?
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
44 cents SAVED!
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44 cents saved is 44 cents not going to assistant coaches!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
We pool all of these .44 cents and we’ll go to the Rose Bowl via the plot of Superman III, Hackers, Entrapment, and Office Space.
WE ARE THE 0%
Jeff Tedford will burn down the SAHPC because someone took his stapler?
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
I almost wish this would happen.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
I said I’m sorry…
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Apology NOT accepted
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But I’m wearing a seersucker suit and a fedora
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Will you join me in my den of trolling, then?
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Not yours! Sark bought it and is renaming it!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Is he naming it JUMBACO CAVE?
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He bought the rights to the Jumbaco too.
It’s now Sarkbaco
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sarkbaco
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by TwistNHook on Jan 17, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have a plan to get Cal Athletics 50 million dollars
Everyone on this board needs to spend two dollars on the mega-millions lottery drawing. Whoever wins, donates the money to the Cal football program. Its a flawless plan.
I know the outgoing Nigerian Finance Minister
He came to me “in the strictest confidences” via email. He seems like a trustworthy fellow. All we need is an account for him to “desposit the monies” and we’ll have 50 million easily for Cal football.
I think we run in the same circles!
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Me too. Im a season ticket holder (even though I live thousands of miles away), a library donor, CAA lifetime member (still paying that off) and now, most recently, a baseball donor, despite the fact I’ve never been to a game.
Like the 2008 Obama campaign, or Ron Paul’s, Cal’s money-making has to be about volume small-giving, rather than big donors.
I agree here.
We should start some sort of CGB-movement to start micro-donations to the athletics department (for the non-ESP donors of course).
We really need to put a little more money where our mouths are, so to speak, and stop relying/hoping that our magical donors will pony up more money and crossing our fingers.
WE need to pony up, it seems. I know people don’t want to dump money into something that doesn’t seem to be working properly, but that may just be due to the fact that they work they way they work due to lack of funds.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
if you could raise a penny per word we would never be able to keep up w/ you . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 18, 2012 2:44 AM PST up reply actions
OMG that’s a great idea!!!
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by atomsareenough on Jan 18, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Timing
I figure it’s a waste of time to ponder the ethics behind recruiting a kid to follow you to a new job so soon before LOI day. There isn’t much place for ethics in the world of college football today, and any attempt to legislate away potential impropriety is likely to cause more perverse harm than good. But I do think the NCAA could address the timing of this altogether ugly business of recruiting and coaching turnover.
Much of what is so upsetting is not the fact that Tosh is moving on; he’s leaving for greener pasture (much greener pasture apparently), which is fine, and don’t see how it is at all a betrayal to Cal. And while the timing would have been less painful a couple of weeks ago, there really was no good time for all this to have gone down. The third week of January is certainly better timing than any date after LOI day; at least now, wavering recruits have a chance to reconsider their decisions.
Still, it all looks and feels so ugly. Is Sarkisian hiring Tosh, or is he kind of, sort of “hiring” Shaq Thompson? Moreover, kids who’ve spent the better part of one, two, or more years agonizing over the most hyped decision they’ll ever make, now find the rug apparently pulled out from under them at the 11th hour.
Since this is the time of year when coaching turnover has to occur, between the end of one season and the start of spring practices leading into the next, it seems to me that everyone would be well served by moving LOI day to the middle of April, when students in general are expected to finalize their college choice. This would allow coaching movements to occur throughout January and February, followed by a dead period beginning in March during which no such activity could take place. That would leave a full six weeks for any undecided or wavering recruits to make their final decisions, in an environment generally free of last-minute surprises involving the programs to which they’re committing.
I have no idea why LOI day is when it is, and maybe there is a reason why it has to be so early. And I certainly don’t believe pushing the date back to April would solve all, or even most, of the problems surrounding today’s world of recruiting. But it does seem like this “crazy season” of recruiting is crazier than it need be given the simultaneous annual reshuffling of coaching staffs.
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by California Pete on Jan 17, 2012 4:40 PM PST reply actions
Much of what is so upsetting is not the fact that Tosh is moving on; he’s leaving for greener pasture (much greener pasture apparently), which is fine, and don’t see how it is at all a betrayal to Cal.
I’m sorry to see him go, but I have to admit something (maybe unpopular): I’m actually happy for Tosh on some level. I feel some sense of pride for a Cal grad who has made good and is VERY successful at what he does.
I wish him well. I just want to beat their ass when we play them.
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by Ohio Bear on Jan 17, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tosh made it out of the "hood" that is Cal Football!
I am so happy for him, he even inspired his friend Coach K to join him in greener pastures rather than waste away at Cal.
I do think it’s telling that, as best I can tell, everybody who actually knows him well (except Gabe King) is happy for him and has nothing but good things to say. I know that it’s easier to say good things than bad things, but I do think in this age of social media that if there were feelings in the other direction that some of that would have leaked out by now.
haha, I don’t think Gabe is UNhappy for Tosh. I think he just wished that his position coach would’ve notified his players when he made his decision to leave. Didn’t have to be a meeting—could’ve been via mass txt, email, skype, facebook, or whatever. Finding out from an article/post probably shocked the heck out of him.
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
Players love Tosh. Almost unanimously. He’s in many ways one of them. That’s hard to get in cut-throat recruiting these days.
That being said, I wonder if he’ll be as loved when trying to recruit for UW, especially if he has to go negative. It’s hard to sell a product that you’re not as familiar with.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Are you saying it’s hard when you have a product that doesn’t sell itself, and you have to troll recruits to sell it?
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
That's my thought. If he's got that
personality and he can sell, he can sell anything. It’s a gift that cannot be taught – you have it or you don’t.
Tosh has it. My guess is that he’d do well recruiting for any school, or for that matter, selling cars at any dealership.
by C98 on Jan 17, 2012 6:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I have some experience with the NCAA making rules related to recruiting and other issues. I have zero faith in their ability to legislate effectively in this or any other area. In general, I think it’s better when they don’t get involved.
Pretty much my thoughts as well.
As I’ve said several times before, it isn’t the fact that Tosh and Kiesau are leaving, but the manner in which they are leaving, and the timing of it.
And, whatever anyone else says, I can’t help but believe that Sarksleazian timed this to buy as many of our recruits as will follow our coaches.
Being an Old Blue means embracing the "meh".
+1…how could Kiesau become that magical w/o the potential recruits following him.
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by Auricursine on Jan 17, 2012 5:23 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
The moves were timed by
the hiring of our new DC and the departure of our OC to Alabama yesterday. Positions were filled as quickly as possible while still getting the people that Sark thought would be best for the program. Nothing sinister here.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:23 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
yep nothing sinister.
Sark after hire completed: What?! Lupoi was the main reason Shaq was coming to Cal and not UW? Kiesau was a big reason Dozier was coming to Cal and not UW? No WAY! That is just too cool. You mean we might get Shaq and Dozier? I had NO IDEA!
I understand it is probably coincidence as you noted. But you have to at least respect how it seems to the outside eye.
Guess what?
UW would want to hire coaches that can bring big time recruits to their school. Any team would. Recruiting is 50% or more of being a college coach.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 5:46 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
right. I understand.
What you don’t seem to be allowing is that the big time recruits in this case are ones that were on the fence between UW and Cal. So whereas its totally not sleazy to say, hey we want a great recruiter. It smacks of sleaze when you say, hey we want THESE TWO SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS and you get them by offering a job to their main recruiters and time it such that it would leave the other school no time to respond or recover.
Again, as I said, I understand that it can all be coincidence. But you don’t have to be wearing a tinfoil hat to think that Sark thought that the “immediate” upside to Tosh and Kiesau didn’t have ANYTHING to do with those recruits.
I guess I prefer not to think that
Sark and the university would pay $1.2m annually for a couple recruits this year. We’re not THAT hard up for players. I really believe these moves were made with an eye towards the future.
Shaq and Dozier (or whomever) would be great, but certainly not worth all this, and, frankly, I would guess that they are both still going to Cal.
I’m expecting they pull in a few undecideds, coach up the guys they’ve got, and show the real impact in recruiting next year. That’s all I want, and I think most UW fans are the same.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 6:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
maybe this would help:
let’s say you wanted to recruit Cam Jordan. Bigtime recruit right? And then you hired his high school coach for offensive coordinator/QB coach two weeks before signing day. Cam Jordan says, hey UW sounds pretty good now, maybe I’ll go there.
Is there anything sinister there? You just got the best recruiter money could buy.
Eh? Not extreme enough. Imagine this:
Your recruiting isn’t up to par, your OC just left you, and your defense reeks. You need better recruits and better position coaches. A direct competitor to your school has about 4 kids about to join, all amongst the top in the nation. You want them. You lick balls, throw around money, and do whatever it takes to get those 4 kids, even if it means completely overpaying for these two assistant coaches, one of these coaches having clearly under-performed in the very position you’re about to give him in a previous stint.
You’re saying the team who just got robbed of their team’s future talent, which is directly tied to their future success, shouldn’t be mad? Do you really think Keiasu is worth 700k a year as an OC? Do you really think this wasn’t an attempt by UW to grab a “decent” OC, but MORE IMPORTANTLY to potentially steal the top recruits in the nation by giving their main recruiters from Cal an offer they couldn’t refuse? They only have to deal with Keiasu for 3 years. If he doesn’t pan out, I’m sure they have a clause in the contract that protects them. They’ll buy him out, but it will have paid off through the recruits that they expect to come with him THIS year.
by mrjpark on Jan 17, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Sure, I guess that would be sinister
but also stupid. I don’t believe Sark and the AD are stupid.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 6:47 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Why though?
They already have a good offense and they have Sark. They don’t have an OC. It’s a gamble, but they think they can win and that these 4 and 5 star players are ready to contribute almost immediately. Tosh has already proven his worth just by looking at what he’s done at Cal.
Because while UW apparently
has a lot of resources, they dont have unlimited resources, and essentially spending $1.2 – 1.3m for a handful of recruits the first year would be moronic.
The UW defense only needs to be midpack next year to feel like a God-send.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 7:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yes...
…but Stanfurd has no Andrew Luck and Oregon has no LMJ. UW sees that they have a window of opportunity and want to reach a Rose Bowl?
UW is, historically, probably the second
best program on the west coast behind USC. There’s no way they are looking that short-sighted.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 7:13 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Is it, though?
With this success, they can boost their future recruiting and find better coaches. None of these hires were long-term, the coaches have to prove themselves. If this stint provides enough short-term benefits, it will have proven beneficial in the long run.
Just a note.
I do understand I sound like a ridiculous conspiracy theorist. But you do have to understand that:
1. You’re on the much better end of the deal here, you’re obviously not going to see why we’re so pissed.
2. I’m fucking pissed, and have been for like 40 hours now. There’s no way in hell anything I say at this point would make sense to you.
3. You would be the same had you been a Cal football fan for the last 20+ years of your life (I’m only 25) and you’ve never witnessed anything go right. Good coach? He leaves after a year. Rose Bowl? You lose it to BCS shenanigans. Recruiting class of the century? UW buys it away from you. We don’t have your tradition of fucking excellence.
I was born and raised in Seattle, so I can totally
sympathize with fans of hard-luck teams. Pretty much every team I’m a fan of is one!
I guess it’s possible I’m being naive, but I really, really don’t see any evil intent here. If we were going to intentionally screw over any other school, it would be Oregon!
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 7:47 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, you're probably right.
It was worth a shot though. I always thought Cal fans were cool, and I’m not looking forward to this new era of animosity! We already have enough of that with WSU and UO!
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 7:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I really, really don’t see any evil intent here
I’m not sure that even matters, really.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck that.
Don’t you dare compare the Bay Area with Seattle. For every hard luck team you have there, we have two.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 18, 2012 1:58 AM PST up reply actions
Really?
The 49ers alone have had 5x the success of all Seattle professional teams put together.
The only team besides the Huskies that has ever won a championship 1) won the chamionship before I was born, and 2) is now in a different city.
by pranaferox on Jan 18, 2012 8:28 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Just to show what else I've been through,
Not looking for pity or anything, but I’m a god damn Sonics fan.
Ouch
You know, I was so devastated when the Sonics left that it might have broken the part of my brain that allowed me to get fully attached to sports figures. That probably has something to do with me having a hard time fully grasping the apocalyptic reaction to the coaches jumping ship.
Sorry it happened. Hopefully you guys can hold onto your recruits!
by pranaferox on Jan 18, 2012 10:41 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah...
“Thunder” doesn’t have enough syllables to fit in the rap… haha. Good thing for him the Sonics were still around when he wrote that.
by pranaferox on Jan 18, 2012 12:49 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I think he'd probably have to just
throw in the towel and go with “Timberwolves.”
by pranaferox on Jan 18, 2012 1:22 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
So the problem with that scenario is the stupidity of hiring a high school coach for a college position. But if they were college coaches, then it is not stupid, but how is it now not sinister?
Again, caveat, understand that I’m not saying that this is exactly why Sark chose our coaches, but doesn’t it look that way from the outside and seem pretty sinister from that angle? Or are you really still puzzled by the emotional venting on this thread?
It’s the venting. I guess he just doesn’t understand why we take it so seriously. That’s something you just can’t explain.
I yell and curse and punch my
couch/Husky stadium seat and have to be quarantined from my girlfriend for a few hours after a loss because she’ll get pissed at how upset I am. Same as you guys, I suspect.
Tosh Lupoi is recognized as the best recruiter on the west coast, so of course UW wanted him (though lots of Husky fans wonder if he can recreate the magic at UW). The strong class this year is a symptom of that. A great recruiter is always going to have a great recruiting class waiting in the wings by definition. That shouldn’t mean they should never be able to be offered a job without sinister motives being ascribesd to it.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 7:21 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
They shouldn’t be allowed to essentially recruit their recruits to their next school before leaving their current school.
Well I would agree that that would be pretty
slimey. I don’t really know because I wasn’t there, but it seems like Missing Barry (who I gather is a Bears fan) is saying that it isn’t true that Lupoi recruited Shaq to UW while he was with Cal.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 7:36 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Slightly different interpretation – it hasn’t been stated in any official way that he did. He very well might of, but based on everything that’s come out, we do not have information that he did.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like you’re expecting Cal fans to say something along the lines of
“Tut tut, fair play! Good show, old chap, well done!”
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Yeah, exactly. WTF.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Whoops, refresh the page, forgot the header
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
Pssst, Avi... images usually end with an image file extension.
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lolol
Just commenting – been following up on CGB since water-gates just blew up.
Prana’s attempt at having a you Cal fans react to this situation calmly is akin to Imperial Japan expecting the American’s to calmly react to Pearl Harbor.
“Yo I mean like, it’s just business yo. You guys were cutting off our oil, we need it to expand our empire and we were gonna send you a declaration of war but yannow…. why ya’ll over-reacting mang?”
I didn' think it was trolling
civil or otherwise. Just kind of bummed that UW is being hated on.
by pranaferox on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I understand,
and it’s not my place to tell you otherwise… but honestly what did you expect? They’re not gonna hold your hand and look you in the eye saying, “Thank you. Thank you for everything. I cannot wait for our friendship to blossom further when our players and (ex)coaches become friends on game day”.
If UDub took… took… our… beloved… If Udub paid UCLA a million dollars to keep Dan Guerrero on board for another 4 years, I’d be cussing out your school too business or otherwise.
It’s amazing that we wouldn’t have had this much hate for your school had your coaches just had the class to send someone else to recruit or commitments. But instead, they decided to do the one thing that would make everything shady and an obvious ploy to attempt to steal commitments: use Lupoi on the players that he recruited with Cal.
To you, this feels like business as normal because I feel like you have no perspective of the repercussions that this is causing on an institution that really has no stability, let alone self-sufficiency.
Do you see any of the other Pac-12 fans congratulating the Huskies on their great find? No, it’s a bunch of Huskies in a giant circle jerk and everyone else essentially apologizing for this shit and talking shit against UW.
That’s right, it’s everyone ELSE that is wrong, you’re normal and right.
Recruits change their minds for
a bunch of reasons right before signing day. A couple years ago it was Terrence Jones picking UW in his “decision” press conference, and them switching to KU afterwards.
That sucked, but the basketball program goes on (and there is far from an illustrious history to fall back on there). As far as I know, the only recruit to switch away from Cal was the DT to UCLA. And by all accounts that was expected to happen if Lupoi stayed or not.
by pranaferox on Jan 18, 2012 12:11 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
The difference is that kids don’t come to Cal for the football program, so we generally don’t lose a ton of recruits on signing die. On the other hand, we never have extremely high recruiting classes or full classes in general. If you honestly think these kids just had a random change of mind, you are BLIND.
interesting idea
The drawback would be that some freshmen would not be able to enroll early and go through spring practice, though.
I was thinking that the NCAA could also forbid coaches who voluntarily switch teams (as opposed to being fired) from contacting any individual recruits that they have already contacted. Would this be enforceable, though?
Follett
Tweeted a few horus ago that he’s got his resume in. Assume given the recent events, he’s referring to taking Tosh’s old spot.
Bryce just tweeted that he’s “chillin” and “letting the chips fall.” I’m trying not to read too much into what he didn’t say.
Something along the lines of he’s just kicking back and letting the situation play out. That’s a contrast to what he tweeted yesterday, but like I said, there’s probably a danger in over-analyzing guy’s 140 characters. And until today my perception was Bryce was as solid-Cal as he could be.
well, yesterday was just about Tosh's departure
Now that Kiesau left, that obviously is going to make him re-think.
His position coach just left.
Dad
Isn’t this where we can hope that Poppa Treggs might come into play?
"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is
research."
by Auricursine on Jan 17, 2012 5:31 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
obviously the dominoes stopped falling, so he decided to go for the next best thing.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Chillin'?
Holy shit, Bryce is trapped in a freezer somewhere! We have to save him!
Quick, somebody check the temperatures in Seattle!
Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.
by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
ITS SNOWING
In the Game of Trolls, you either troll or you die.
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and folks turn into retards trying to drive.
by j.lee on Jan 17, 2012 8:05 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
My guess...
Tedford isn’t stupid, and they can probably keep most of the recruits. My only horrible loss would be Shaq and Treggs. They’re family.
Lawrence Ross
Every loss is horrible dude
We’re two weeks away from signing day. Almost everyone else we could want is committed. We’d end up with our Plan C or D options, which is how our program fell into a rut the last five years.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
Also, the sad reality is that it is a zero sum game. Recruits that don’t go to Cal appear to be looking at direct rivals. So, a recruit we don’t get is a recruit that UW or UCLA or USC does get.
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Everybody is Eattle assumes exactly that; that there won't be much motion this year
Tedford has woked out pretty darn well, I’d be slow to throw him under a bus
by HuskyInExile on Jan 18, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, make no mistake, there is a realistic danger that this will become a lost year in recruiting. I don’t think it’s likely, but it’s there.
OTOH, more schollies for next year!
FUTBALL IZ SRS BUSINESS GUYZ // ONLY HAVE FUN WHEN ROZ BWL
--Thoroughbred
Consolation Prize on McCarthy De-Commit
At least one person agrees with us Cal fans that McCarthy should have stayed put.
I actually didn’t agree with much of that writer’s arguments.
But i do agree McCarthy should play for Cal, because I am a Cal fan.
fucla is always the wrong choice
as mediocre as we’ve been lately, fucla has been worse and hasn’t put as many players in the NFL.
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, but that guy said South is tougher division than North
because the South have USC, Arizona, and ASU, while the North has Stanford losing Luck and Oregon losing LMJ
Damn, this is like personal-grudge-type stuff.
I mean, did Tedford kill Sark’s youngest, or something? This is is just spiteful.
CGB: Wasting Your Potential, Your Time, & Your Life Since 2006.
While I am depressed and screaming FML
I am passively optimistic that in the next couple of days, Tedford brings some great coaches and we will be Wow’ed
This is basically all I’m counting on. I just can’t think of anyone to poach in the middle of the season. We were lucky Clancy hadn’t really joined the Oakland staff just yet. JERRY RICE PLEASE COME TO CAL?!
I want Aziz Ansari for recruiting coordinator!
"Our sturdy golden troll"
-cldpc
by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
i'd be down for that. his pitches to recruits? right here
by stevvy89 on Jan 17, 2012 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
It's that time again! Time to drink and reflect on this epic day of DOOOOOOOOOM
Throw chairs out windows, break stuff, and ghost ride your car!
DOOOOOOOOOOOM!
"Our sturdy golden troll"
-cldpc
by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 5:38 PM PST reply actions
plan of action
tedford should call all the recruits, first to reaffirm that all is well and they will look for the best coaches available… then ask for their opinion if they have any particular position coaches or assistants they really admire… involve them in the process in this small way.
get off me bandwagoners!
Clean Cut Media
Possible backfire: This guy doesn’t have a plan and has no idea what to do now.
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
That’s when you teach Tedford some buzz words, it’ll make him sound like he knows what he’s talking about.
My thought exactly. Looks weak, scared.
Better approach: go to their house and scream in their face, challenging them to do better.
tedford’s already calling all the recruits (from quotes by Cochran, tagaloa, who said they talked to Tedford and Coach M yesterday) but I’m not sure the latter thing would work. Honestly, how many of us know good assistants/position coaches right off the top of our heads? other than former players, I can’t. 17/18 year olds have other stuff on their mind (OMFG, GIRLZ, SO HAWT!!!)
HAHA, seriously
Tedford: So, Arik, any suggestions as to who’d you like to see as your position coach at Cal?
Arik: hold on, coach, my girl’s txting me…alright. Who would I like to see? How about Ndamakung Suh? He’s a beast, yo!
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
Yeah I don’t think they’d know many people outside of the people that have been in direct contact with them…
I should bring out the textbook from Business Communications class
I think it talked about good persuasion skills.
Im gonna email Tedford some notes.
Any coaches they know well at this stage will not move laterally for the amount of money we can give them. Our best shot is to find good assistants who were washed out when their head coach got fired, or up and coming coaches from a smaller program. Or homegrown talent somewhere.
The obvious ones we’d know as Cal/Pac-12 fans are probably taken. There are definitely good coaches out there in the masses of college football teams. The trouble is finding them (and specifically Tedford being able to find them on a very short deadline). Remember Chip Kelly came out of nowhere New Hampshire.
Yeah, no one would come to us in a horizontal shift, though, so we need to go vertical. Maybe they’ll come if we remove responsibilities and pay them less?
Our odds of success are not encouraging,
but Jim Michalczik was only three seasons from coaching at Montana State when he came to Cal. Kiesau was just a second year coach at Utah State. Clancy had been fired twice in two years and had been busted all the way down to assistant.
Tedford’s hit rate in hiring assistant coaches isn’t encouraging, but it isn’t completely DOOM either.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
I call your bluff and raise you...
Alamar and Marshall! And all those OC’s we’ve been through. And Daft.
Pendergast was a bit of a pleasant surprise. I think the goldmine really is in FCS/non-BCS FBS teams, but I’m not sure whether we’ve been preparing to evaluate those coaches. Instead we tend to find recently unemployed coaches recently, which is a really mixed bag.
Instead we tend to find recently unemployed coaches recently, which is a really mixed bag.
I’m trying not to look at Marshall’s direction, but I just can’t help myself
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
I think he made it out of Chicago just before the angry mob caught up to him.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Yeah, and before we go completely nuts
we should wait and see which coaches we try to poach from other programs just before signing day to fill our now vacant positions. I mean, we did sort of poach Tedford from Oregon way back when, right?
This sh*t happens all the time in college football, it just sucks when it happens to us. But let’s see what Tedford and Barbour do to make this work out for the best.
And let’s all plan to be at the UW game.
Middle-aged toothwrangler (HT: Kodiak)
before we go completely nuts
You’re 30 hours too late.
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did you say nuts?
WE’RE CAL FANS! WE’RE ALL NUTS!
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Cal vs Berkeley
My understanding was that the sports teams always went by Cal, as the academics wanted to separate themselves from athletics and go by Berkeley. I think this separation really underscores where we are at now-will the Berkeley Academics (faculty) really support an administration that funds sports? Historically, it was no.
However, I hope that the faculty realize that Cal needs more out of state kids to come in to help fund the school and raising the profile of our athletic programs helps to attract more attention to Berkeley.
My former roomie and I always differed on whether Cal could do what it takes to win a National Title in football. At this juncture, it doesn’t seem like we are willing to commit the financial resources to put us into the top 10. We just can’t afford to do that when we are cutting departments and raising student tuition consistently.
I see us being a middle of the road football program until we get a benevolent benefactor like Phil Knight to pump the money into our program.
commit the financial resources
Err…. the SAHPC and Memorial Renovation cost a lot of money …
FUTBALL IZ SRS BUSINESS GUYZ // ONLY HAVE FUN WHEN ROZ BWL
--Thoroughbred
by sec119 on Jan 17, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sure, but look at what the teams that are winning NC’s ALREADY have for facilities….
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Like USC?
Yeah…we’ve surpassed their facilities.
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
There’s one. I counter with…Alabama, Auburn, Florida, LSU, Texas and Ohio St.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
the only part where they "game’ the system, imo, is the scheduling (8 game sched w/ 4 cupcakes, for the most part). the facilities, money, etc – that’s a conscious choice that those universities make, and i’m super glad that Cal doesn’t make the same choice.
"#caltrollgang" - RB
Scheduling is one part, overhyping their teams is the other. They’re consistently overrated, and media like ESPN that have been extremely profitable thanks to them go out of their way to help the cause. But yes, they have the most $ and largest/most passionate fanbases, and success is to be expected to some degree.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'm fine with not competing for recruits with the SEC
Except for those recruits from the West Coast that think they want to move South.
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 18, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
You know...
I really kinda wish we left the visitor facilities as is. Show anyone who flips to UW why they should’ve come to Cal. Better make sure you get all your shots before playing at Memorial, buddy.
Facilities are shiny and nice for recruits, but hardly the determinant of success. In any case, the SC AD finally cracked and now we’re building the McKay Center so there’s a couple more weight machines on campus.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Look, being a faculty member at a Pac-12 school, I can say that faculty would get behind the sports program if it gave back even a little. Lots of sports fans in the faculty. The problem is that you’re not going to get any support for more athletic funding when class sizes are increasing, tenure lines are cut, funding for grad students disappears, tuition increases, etc.
I’d rather our athletic department take a losing season or two than we ever lose our #1 public university ranking.
I like to believe that this isn’t either-or, and that creative ways of getting students and faculty to support athletics and getting athletics to support academics are possible.
by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
certain athletic programs give back
for example, OSU donated $6m to build a library, IIRC. however, it’s really the elite sports schools that can do this.
"#caltrollgang" - RB
I think Penn State did something where $1 of every ticket sold went to the library. That’s bigtime money for library budgets.
I think it’s probably still too soon to offer up Penn State as a Football program we’d like Cal to emulate, no matter how sound the specific idea.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Jan 17, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
I dont' know about the National Title
but I think most of us here would be super satisfied to get to the Rose Bowl and other BCS bowl on a regular basis (like what Furd has done in the last couple of years).
If Furd is able to achieve that (I do acknowledge that they have much more $ than us), there is no doubt that Cal can do the same as well.
by LEastCoastBears on Jan 17, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Cal was at a fairly similar level in the beginning of Tedford’s tenure, so it’s definitely a possibility. There was no Tosh then, either, by the way (not actually true, he was on the team).
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
There might be truth to the Cal vs. Berkeley thing
Academics should be and will be the priority at Cal, never mind the hopes and dreams of all of us football fans. We have neither the money, the facilities (despite the upgrades), or the low admission standards to compete with the top-tier programs and their depth. And we never will. We will get the occasional superstar, but will never be loaded like the teams you see in the top games.
If only we were in the Big East or the ACC and could ride a fortuitous but mediocre season into the BCS!
On a different slant, our state and our university probably take too much away from our in-state kids as it is. Know how hard it is for the top kids in CA to get in to Cal nowadays? The university already takes slots away from our kids to offer out-of-staters for increased tuition.
Our fate is to be an excellent university first with a good-and-sometimes-great football program. And I don’t think that is a bad thing.
Middle-aged toothwrangler (HT: Kodiak)
by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Plan
1. Apply for admission to Ivy League
2. Dominate
Number of Justin Forsetts that went to UW = 0
@JForsett: twitvid.com/XLDPZ – Here’s a look at the new weight room in the high performance center #GOBEARS
Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.
hope when jforce, beastmode, and mebane see tosh in seattle, they tell him he did us dirty.
by j.lee on Jan 17, 2012 7:03 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
lol naw man, they’re bros.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
So far, I have yet to see anyone but fans think Tosh did anyone “dirty”…
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
Oh? Care to quote me all of his tweets on the subject? Didn’t look to me like he felt the bridge was burned.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
You love arguing.
I do not.
I respectfully disagree with you.
And I know I’m not going to change your mind. So I’ll leave it at that.
Old Toothwrangler
Well, I would have quoted twitter myself, but it’s blocked, so I cannot. Just going off memory. I definitely certainly change my mind when presented with evidence that suggests I should, which is why I asked.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
(Now that I’m home from work and can access Twitter, here goes):
Husky Football Blog > UW hires Tosh Lupoi as defensive line coach this is how I found out my coach left #norespect
@TheReal_McCoy91 Yea he bounced, no call no text, no subtle insinuation… Nothing. But I understand the business game, so I wish him luck.
@TheReal_McCoy91Yea my man, money most definitely speaks. Im a bit proud ofem.They have the most dedicated d-line coach in the country now.
Twitter isn’t exactly the most clear method of communication. No idea if that last one is even referring to Tosh or not. If you think that’s clear evidence a bridge has really been burned, then we disagree, and there’s nothing else to say.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Chant for next year's UW game
Mic Man: "Gimme a ‘T’ "
Crowd: “T!”
Mic Man: "Gimme an ‘O’ "
Crowd: “O!”
Mic Man: "Gimme an ‘S’ "
Crowd: “S!”
Mic Man: "Gimme an ‘H’ "
Crowd: “H!”
Mic Man: “What’s that spell?”
Crowd: “Traitor!”
Mic Man: “What is Tosh?”
Crowd: “Traitor!”
Mic Man: “And whose gonna lose?”
Crowd: “Traitors!”
All: “GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BEARS!”
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 6:51 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
We can also modify as appropriate for Eric.
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't really blame him
Until he starts talking to our commits while wearing purple.
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 18, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Would you take Tosh back next year if he came crawling back?
The question I pose to this august body.
All Is Forgiven VS. Die, Sleazy Poacher, Die
I'd welcome him back
As an unpaid intern whose sole job is to hold Rope Coach’s backup rope.
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
As a DC? Yes. The jury still isn’t out on what exactly went down, and he did what he had to do for his fam. I really don’t wanna start another flame war here. We just got outpaid by the Yankees Huskies
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
Why would you want him as a DC? I’ve seen nothing that convinces me he’s DC-caliber, and neither has UW.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah and he sucked.
Coach O was meant to coach D-lines. I believe the same is true for Tosh as well.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
I believe the same is true for Tosh as well.
great, you believe it; doesn’t mean that cal, uw, or anyone else does.
"#caltrollgang" - RB
yeesh, that came off as harsh. not intended. recruiting is a vital part of coaching skills, and some programs may overlook deficiencies in one area if a guy can recruit.
"#caltrollgang" - RB
I just feel great recruiters are meant to do that—recruit. When they become coaches, they have to do a lot of other stuff regarding personnel and game management that they might not be so good at.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're oversimplifying here.
There are great recruiters and great coaches and some who are both and some who are neither (MARSHALLLLLLLLLL). I don’t think being a great recruiter interferes with one being a great coach.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
I know, but it’s rare. You can probably count them on one hand. Meyer, Carroll, and Saban are the only ones I can think of.
Lots of recruiters (Muschamp, Orgeron, Romar in hoops) have struggled as coaches because they couldn’t handle everything else that came along with it.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
That seems like probabilistic reasoning, which makes sense (the odds of any young coach developing into an elite HC are low) but doesn’t seem like enough that reserving judgment isn’t a better idea.
So yeah, Tosh probably won’t live up to the absurd billing he’s been given, but I wouldn’t bet against him.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Honest question – as a fan, what could you possibly see on that topic one way or another? UW IS giving him more d-coordinator responsibilities it seems, by the way.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
that was just assuming Wilcox grooms him that way as someone on here alluded to.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think that’s the right question. The right question is if he’ll be welcomed back in a higher coaching role at some point in the future.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Near future?
I think that would be political suicide in terms of the coaching staff. I don’t think there’s any way the students and alumni let him go. A little bit down the road? Sure.
I don’t think we should judge right now how people are going to look back on this move. For example, let’s say Shaq and Dozier both commit to Cal, and UW doesn’t take any other Cal recruits. You think the anger towards Tosh is still going to be strong once people move on…? Are we even sure that internet message boards are reflective of how the fanbase as a whole feels/will feel? So far nobody connected to the program/staff has expressed any negative thoughts towards Tosh…if in hindsight, it looks like nobody connected to the situation thinks he did anything wrong, will you still feel such strong resentment?
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
You really think Tedford and Barbour are in the position to say “WELL HE REALLY FUCKED US OVER THIS TIME, BUT IT’S OKAY. HE’S AN UNGRATEFUL, TRAITOROUS PIECE OF SHIT.”
Of course they’re gonna wish him well.
Completely agree. However, other guys like Mike Silver are not in that same position. Plus some insider details/feelings eventually get leaked (which goes back to my points yesterday about waiting for details/facts to emerge).
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
No.
Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.
by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
DOOM NEVER FORGIVES, DOOM NEVER FORGETS.
"Our sturdy golden troll"
-cldpc
by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
I’m not angry at him for taking more money, I’m frustrated at the situation. And the situation stems from a combination of california politics, school administrative issues, atrocious planning for the athletic department over the past decades (both in over expanding the athletic department and the recent Title IX issues) as well as an unenthusiastic fan and student base.
What irks me most, is that I was finally believing. I was finally believing that in 3-4 years Cal had a legitimate shot at a Rose Bowl. I had hope, and now my hope has been purchased by someone else.
What irks me most, is that I was finally believing. I was finally believing that in 3-4 years Cal had a legitimate shot at a Rose Bowl. I had hope, and now my hope has been purchased by someone else.
It seems to me this is the main driver of such a strong reaction. Things were looking so good just a couple days ago. The program was two weeks away from LOI day and pulling in the best class in history. The coaching staff had no turnover, seemed everyone was happy….things were going really well. It was all dominos. The course has changed very abruptly for the worse. Having those hopes crushed hurts.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Crushed isn’t the right adjective. Destroyed or dropping an atomic bomb are better way to describe the feeling I had.
You are right, it looked like we put together a good staff, were getting some good recruiting classes in, and we were about to open New Memorial and the SAHPC. Now it feels like everything is in flux.
What irks me most, is that I was finally believing.
Well, someone always thinks up the stat-puft marshmallow man. If we could all just not believe all the time, maybe juju would leave us alone.
note: I also started believing, so it’s on me too :)
BUT IT’S THAT SONG THAT BEAR’S LAIR WAS ALWAYS PLAYING.
I will believe everything when i’m drunk.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I always believe.
It’s why I’m a typical victim of manic depression on these message boards. Even in one thread, you’ll see Sunshine Pumper Park and DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Park scattered throughout the conversation.
No.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Replacements?
Any ideas? Not much chance we can snag a guy like Brick Haley or Trooper Taylor, is there?
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
Probably someone we haven't heard of, a category that encompasses 99% of all defensive line and receivers coaches.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
We should hire an inanimate carbon rod
Then UW will over the rod $500k to move to Seattle.
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, Trooper...
3. Stefon Diggs. DC wideout who will likely make his decision after Signing Day. Funny story! I saw Trooper Taylor on an airport shuttle in D.C. It turns out he was recruiting Diggs, something I surmised from the awesome phone conversation they had. The conversation, in full:
“Yeah. All right? Wow. Uh-huh. No problem. Fuh REAAAAL. Well, Coach Chizik and I will DEFINITELY holler at you tonight. Later.”
It’s these kind of amazing conversations that form the bond between recruit and coach.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
YOu?
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I’m not going to be a replacement coach, no.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Me?
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Also not likely.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
brb lemme ask my wife
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
There is a limit
to how much we can (or should) pay for football coaches. UW finances aside, our institution is the #1 public institution for a reason and it’s not the football team. Our athletic department is an important part of this institution, but not the only part and while football is obviously THE revenue sport, we should not lose sight of its overall importance with regard to how U.C. Berkeley operates and or excels as an institution.
Certainly there are market forces at play with regard to college football. It’s actually gotten pretty out of hand, but any time big money (TV) is there for the making/taking then it’s not surprising this kind of scenario occurs.
It sounds as though the AD/Tedford and Sandy did what they could within the bounds of reason (and finances). I for one, am glad they didn’t match the offer that the UW presented. I’m sorry, but Berkeley does have other priorities at the moment.
We have a beautiful new facility and some talented players returning (and coming). I think we should get past the hysteria and build on what we do have. It is only football and Seattle will still be rainy at the end of the day.
Most of us don’t expect or want Cal to pay these prices for Tosh/Keiasu. I may be speaking for myself, but I’m more pissed off at how Tosh left and the way they’re trying to essentially transfer over our entire recruiting class in the last 2 weeks than the fact that Tosh/Keiasu are at UW. If they want to poach our coaches by paying them more than we’re willing to, go for it. They don’t have to kick us in the balls and spit on us while they’re at it.
if we get armstead, that would change EVERYTHING.
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 17, 2012 7:22 PM PST reply actions
it would be absolutely awesome. but no tosh and no keisau and still waivering WR’s
but momentum? yes.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
… and it isn’t pretty about Tosh, btw.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
this sounds about right.
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 17, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
If it’s true, it would suggest Tosh burned some bridges. Wonder when we’ll get more reliable info…
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Never, depending on your definition of reliable.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Well, if it was coming from MoragaBear instead of some poster I don’t recognize, I’d believe it completely. My standards aren’t so high that there’s no chance we ever get details…
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
OK, I'd definitely be inclined to believe it coming from McGill as well,
but that said would he be inclined to run it even if he had the inside scoop? This seems pretty close to the exact kind of dirty laundry Tedford and the AD would want to avoid being aired in public.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
No idea, I’m sure he’d be much more likely to give it to insiders than the public board, though. Sometimes things like that come out in small bits, though.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
McGill confirms this story on BI
Here’s the link: "I’ll just say this: It’s worse than the original narrative. ".
Woof.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
See…those kinds of details start to come out. Just takes a bit of patience!
by Missing Barry on Jan 18, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
The first response is amusing.
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lol, wasn’t surprised it was there.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
The first response was anticipated no matter what.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
YOu can set your watch to it!
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Whethere this story is true or not
Our recruits who’s changing their mind, ex. Payton, should read this.
Hmmmm ... all of a sudden the game on Thursday gets a little bit more interesting
I’m a Husky btw. Came here for the gifs.
by TheFountainAndTheMountain on Jan 17, 2012 7:30 PM PST reply actions
Here is a gif
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Fuck. Take two.
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Well, that sorta worke.d
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How much did Sark pay you to forget how to insert gifs?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
sobs HE BACKED A DUMPTRUCK FULL OF MONEY TO MY HOUSE
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You told me we would meat yesterday at 11:00am to troll in ALaska.
I showed up and you weren’t there!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
I’VE FAILED US ALL
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Whose got it better than us?
EVERY-BO-DY!!
by rollonyoubears111 on Jan 17, 2012 7:34 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
lol
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rock your body!!
oh wait, what’re we talking about here?
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Clancy Pendergast
Tosh butted heads with Clancy. Unfortunately they didn’t get along well.
Clancy is a NFL guy at heart. You remember he took the Raiders job(DB) at first after the Chiefs fired him?
Bob Gregory’s sudden departure created an opening for Clancy.
Gregory and Wilcox are very close. They were together at Oregon, BSU and Cal.
Wilcox is Tosh’s mentor.
Tosh liked sailboats but Clancy loved riverboats
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
No - that's Eddie DeBartolo you're thinking of, not Clancy.
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So if I hear you correctly
We must bring back Gregory?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
1. FIRE TEDFORD
2. HIRE GREGORY
3. HIRE WILCOX
4. HIRE LUPOI
5. ????
6. PROFIT!
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
If Pendercast is an NFL guy at heart, why did he take the Cal job? That doesn’t make sense.
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Because he had been fired twice in two years and busted down to position coach.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Clancy’s sister went to Cal and works at the hotel where the Pac 10 Conference held meetings in Arizona. She use to see JT and tell him that he should hire her brother to work at Cal and that’s where JT first heard about him.
by MV Bear on Jan 18, 2012 5:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jordan Payton...
…solid to Washington, according to twitter.
I’m pretty sure he meant it as… “Solid! got an official visit to Washington!”
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Jordan Payton does that on purpose.
He’s likes playing games. Once he said something like “I see myself in blue” when everyone knew that Cal and Michigan were his top 2, or he’ll say: “I’m about to make my decision! Here it is:” and then he goes to sleep, no messages until the morning. Kinda funny. He’s done it a few other times, these cryptic little messages that leave you asking: “did he mean this? Did he mean that?”
I’d go look them up and link them, but it’s late and I’ve about had my fill of cyberstalking these teenagers on their Twitter accts. Anyone who has been following him knows what I mean.
good to hear…
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 17, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
He said the in-home visit was solid, not that HE was solid.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
What are your feelings on this class and the WR's?
Do you think it falls apart or can Tedford hold it together? I suppose it would help if we can find a good WR/DL coaching replacement to help with the recruiting and also let these recruits know who they might be playing for.
also, what’s up with David Perkins?
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t feel good at all. We need a coaching replacement fast or recruits are going to be like “Who’s coaching us?”
Tedford has two weeks during the most important part of the offseason to try and find guys to fill those roles, all while still recruiting. He is an almost impossible position.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately this is how I feel as well. Best case scenario we have two new coaches in place by Friday but at the sametime who is available besides some fired or semi-retired NFL/CFB coach?
Besides wanting to get a coach to help with recruiting we can’t just rush in and hire a coach just to have a coach to help with recruiting. While that might help short term, it could hurt us long term.
Like you said before, I am sure Tedford has some sort of list but this is a tough position. Just losing one coach, even Tosh would have been possible to navigate but two?
What coaches have been fired recently? Look for their staffs. Also, you can always promote guys from lesser programs, like non-BCS conference programs and FCS schools. Definitely a crappy situation, though.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Well the Colts just fired Caldwell
the Raiders obviously fired Hue Jackson.
What is Slick Ricks staff up to these days?
At this late stage, I would take Hue for one season but I doubt Hue would come. That would make me very excited though.
by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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Al Swearengen, ladies and gentlemen
Ain’t the situation cloudy enough, don’t we face enough fucking imponderables!?
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
TBH
Payton, Powe, and Treggs all look like studs in the class. Powe and Treggs are (last I checked…..) still solid with Cal, so if we lose Payton then oh well. I think Payton is gonna be an NFL receiver someday (great size, hands, and ball skills) but I think Powe and Treggs have shown they’re special as well. I’m not complete doom yet! getting there though….
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Where are ManBearCal and Cali49 at in a time like this?
I would like to hear their thoughts on all of this.
here is some copypasta from the internet
Tosh was offered a job at Wash and he came to JT with the “my heart is here speech”. JT went and fought for Tosh to get the offer matched. JT and Tosh have a meeting where JT tells Tosh how much he wants to keep him, how he is an integral part of what they are doing, etc. He says that he went and got the offer matched and that he wanted him to stay, but that he won’t/can’t get into a bidding war for Tosh and that he (JT) needs his (Tosh’s) word that this is done and that he (Tosh) isn’t going anywhere. Tosh assures JT this is over. Tosh breaks his word, continues talking to UW and gets another offer which he doesn’t present to JT, as he has already been told and committed to no bidding war.
JT didn’t find out Tosh was gone (by voicemail) until he got off the plane for a recruiting trip Tosh was supposed to meet JT on. They were supposed to meet yesterday to recruit and Tosh didn’t show.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have read that and I guess I am a bit over Tosh and K leaving
and more want to hear their thoughts on the future, even if it is just speculation.
Possible coaching replacements, recruits, and where Cal goes from here.
To be honest, I am kind of getting Tosh/K fatigue.
you are going through the stages of loss, my friend.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I am sure Tedford is looking for recently fired NFL or D1 coaches.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Our new coaching staff: The Expendables!
Rick Neuheisel, Dennis Erickson, Paul Wulff. Let’s do this.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Paul Wulf can play TE!!
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
I can stand behind this idea
But we will get pounded deep and hard in the ass when Sark finds out they are good coaches then poaches them away from us. We will pay them $100k each then Sark comes in and pays them 600k each plus a boat, Iditarod dog sled team, and in-house Jumbaco station.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Why? Why are employed coaches out of bounds? Ours were employed and jumped, why wouldn’t some youngster from the Mountain West or WAC (or Big East or ACC or CUSA, for that matter)?
…or the Big Ten or Big 12 or SEC for that matter.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
That's how I feel and why I doubt we could bring in
a coach from a school in one of the BCS conferences.
Has Tedford ever poached a coach that was under contract at a school from a BCS conference?
It seems like most of the guys Tedford has hired while at Cal are A) from a smaller school B) from a fired NFL or CFB staff C) originally brought to Cal with Tedford from Oregon D) young guy who came up through Cal and then left.
by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t want to accept this.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Reality is a bitch.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Why can’t we just have one Phil Knight or T. Boone Pickens? Just one. We have so many smart, successful alums…
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Damn you Haas!
Why are you building Schools of Business and Pavilions. We need assistant football coaches!
by minesweeper on Jan 17, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, we need the rank and file to be donors. That would go a loooooooong way to solving our problem. I am consistently amazed at all the posters here who admit that they basically don’t donate to Cal Athletics (or only donate the $100 that it takes to get football tickets, and then do so begrudgingly).
I’ll admit I’ve only donated to the school as well. I’m going to start doubling my commitment.
But now the question is, how do we get the vast majority of the “rank and file” alumni to donate to athletics in this economy?
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
bq.But now the question is, how do we get the vast majority of the "rank and file" alumni to donate to athletics in this economy?
Unfortunately I think a lot of Cal fans, especially the newer/younger ones are a bit of the bandwagon/front runner variety. So in that case it will take a really good season for fans, especially the casual ones to open their wallets.
Why are employed coaches out of bounds?
Are we talking about that coach from the Jets that tripped a guy and now works for fUCLA?
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
He’s a strength and conditioning coach. We still have Blasquez…. FOR NOW.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 18, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
i have no i dea if that story is true
but if it is, Tedford deserves to say things other than “He’s a great coach. Wish him well”
GRW goes up at 3 AM tomororw
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
I’m all about F5 until 3 tonight!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
I love this subthread
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but we’re so close!
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Actually, things shifted around a bit. So, it is going to go up in about 50 minutes.
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watch out
we’re going for your rugby and crew coaches next
If Jack Clark went to Seattle it would only be to take apart Husky Stadium with his bare hands.
And you may take our crew coach, but you’ll never take our Olympic Gold Medals, punk.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
by AERose on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
i'm just kidding guys
i grew up a cal fan in the bay area and would have gone there had my grades been good enough. i still generally root for you guys (except against UW) and would have much rather raided oregon or usc’s staff this offseason
btw our crew team doesn’t need much help- we are the defending national champs after all- and we’ve had many, many gold medalist rowers
You may have gold medalist rowers, but we have gold medal teams.
As in, we literally sent our Crew teams to the Olympics and came home with gold.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
we did that too
1936 olympics in berlin- the UW varsity 8 team won the gold. adolf hitler was supposedly in attendance
Yeah, and I bet he was rooting for the Huskies, too.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 19, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
So...
I was at the gas station and saw a homeless man begging for money. Really put me in perspective, as to how a college football team has managed to ruin two days of my life. Now, don’t me wrong. I still fucking hate UW and Tosh right now. Keiasu’s still good in my books. First world problems, anyone?
Anyhow, I bought the man some food from the gas station and pass on my good karma to Tedford and the Bears. God, do you hear me? Do you have internet? Are you on your computer? Forget me, Cal needs this good karma. I don’t. Thanks!
Please, Tedford, wow us with your staffing decisions like you did with Clancy! Give us hope! And please, Tosh, go eat shit!
omfg
UDub’s offered to buy my Cal season tickets from me.
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--Coach Clark
What do people think about Keyshawn Johnson for WR coach
He is currently coaching 7v7’s, is well connected with our current recruits, knows the west coast, is a pro-bowler at the position.
would be stupendous for recruiting. 7v7’s are considered to be the AAU of CFB, so I wouldn’t be against it AT ALL.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
i remember him saying in a radio interview that he seriously thought about going to cal before ultimately going to sc and staying close to home.
pipe dream, but it’d be awesome.
I think if Cal and Tedford offered him a job as WR coach he would take it. I just don’t see Tedford or Cal seriously considering him.
Although if we did and he took it I guarantee he would solidify our WR recruits and maybe even help pick up a few other kids. I believe he would be a great recruiter and all the kids would still remember him from his playing days.
Yes they were
he also has a nice SB ring he can show all the recruits.
Plus, he is already pretty wealthy from his playing days so we can probably afford him, especially since he would be a rookie coach.
Again though, this is just a dream and will never happen.
Do you think Keyshawn could handle being an assistant coach and being that far down the coaching ladder?
by Missing Barry on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
i think so. ken norton was cool with being linebacker coach at usc. dude’s gotta start somewhere right if he were going to try out coaching at the college level.
Yeah, but we’re talking about Keyshawn here. He’s never really been the type to take a backseat to anyone…
by Missing Barry on Jan 18, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
again…it was a thought…like it’d actually be considered. pretty sure he’s chilling watching and analyzing nfl games.
Ha, sorry didn’t mean to jump on the idea like that!
by Missing Barry on Jan 18, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Norton Jr. is humbled by the fact that he can never surpass his old man.
Norton Jr. might have had a few good seasons in the NFL, but Norton Sr. had Muhammad Ali’s number.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
If all we end up losing is McCarthy and a very good chance at Arik I will be very happy
Luckily we have recruited along hte DL well the last few years.
Howvery, losing any of the WR’s or Shaq, especially Shap would be a disaster.
With the dline class they pulled last year, I think the team can easily weather a couple of dline losses. Keeping everyone else would be awesome. This might hurt the chances of landing a wildcard or two (guys like Diggs, Hamilton, Wright, Kourzdidasfjljsa however you spell his name, etc.)….
by Missing Barry on Jan 18, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
UCLA Bruin here
I come in peace! Despite gaining from Udub’s Pearl Harbor 2012 – I wanted to say damn, there will be better days for the golden bears. At least the general consensus here is an outpouring of support for your athletics administration. We’re still trying to get out fans to stop going to games to send a message to our athletic department…
Yesterday a Furd fan
Today a Bruin comforting us…
We must that much miserable.
by JustBear on Jan 17, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think everyone but UW fans realize that Cal is not a powerhouse school and that we were actually screwed in one of our few chances to have a few years of prominence. But I really don’t know how I feel about this pity. It makes me feel really guilty for all those times I’ve trolled. This must be why I was only a 2* troll recruit out of high school.
You seem like an alright guy, so I can only assume you're a refugee from BN.
You’re welcome to share in our considerably more grounded misery and disappointment.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
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why TY
No refugee, but I and many other definitely know what “disappointment” feels like (see previous 4 years). Normally we wouldn’t care this much but damn Cal definitely got shanked on this one, by a pac-12 too
it’s crazy how my hatred of fucla and stanfurd is currently dwarfed by my huck the fuskies sentiment. I’ll be rooting for every team that wa$hington plays against next season.
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yep me too. hu$ky hate has risen to an all time high for me and I will probably dislike them as long as Sark is at uw.
Yup. I’m rooting for Furd and Oregon this year when they meet the Huskies this year. That’s never happened before.
I’ve always quietly rooted for UCLA football on the side except when they faced us, since it seems nothing ever seems to go right for them too.
Well over here in Beijing
UC grads are so rare and few in between that we do what we can, and share VPN’s to hop the great firewall just to watch games together. At least everyone can wear blue and gold to the event
Perspective
Looking back, this makes you appreciate even more the times when Tedford turned down more money/fame/perks etc and made a commitment to stay with Cal. The administration made the best offer they could and JT appreciated and accepted it. It’s too bad Lupoi didn’t show the same character, especially towards the school that “made him”. Except I think that’s where the disconnect is. Lupoi must have a massive ego and an “I don’t owe anyone anything attitude”. If all this is true, then why are we so upset by the situation? The guy was obviously a Gordon Gekko in sheeps clothing….good riddance I don’t need any more turds diluting my Cal degree. And the same goes for potential recruits. If you want to enrich your life, come to Cal. If you wan’t to help make Mr. Lupoi rich, then go to UW. Give me 11 real bears on our side of the ball any day, fresh off putting in the hard work in the SAHPC, balling in the new Memorial, with our loyal coach JT at the helm. True Blue nothing less.
by callax on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
im really upset at what Lupoi did
But even if rumors are true, i still wouldn’t talk trash about Lupoi like that. He deserves better.
Does he?
He’s basically lied to ever kid that’s committed to the Cal program through him thus far.
In case anyone asks how he lied: "Oh, I’m a Bear through and through. Look at Tedford and the stability he’s brought to this program. I bleed blue and gold, you really need to come to Cal because we’re all a family here. We love you and you will leave Cal a man that has integrity and a degree from one of the best universities in the wor- Oh wait, one second. Sorry, I’m going to UW cuz they’re paying me more. LATER BITCHES! Aite, brb I’m gonna gotta call Shaq.
Yo, Shaq! I got the gig! So you comin’ to UDUb or what! Let’s play some XBox and talk about it!"
but i don’t think what he did, perhaps the first 11 of 12 years at Cal were all lies and BS. I’m sure his work ethic and what he said to the recruits, during those years, were what he really believed in.
You can’t tell me this hasn’t formed a deep and maybe irreparable rift between him and the current Cal D line. They were counting on coach Lupoi to see them through their time at Cal, especially the guys with professional aspirations. This guy sat with countless mothers, fathers, grandparents, etc, it goes much deeper than a few 5 star recruits who “might” have committed.
But I guess that’s why people go to Cal…to deal with the worst doom imaginable and come out kicking on the other side. I think this is a polarizing moment in Cal football. The game has become a binary system, with the few remaining clean programs (hopefully still Cal) and the Oregons, Auburns etc. strictly opposed. This might be a bold statement, but I might be willing to trade a rosebowl for never having to endure the shame of a Penn State situation. Let’s not forget what a real program meltdown looks like. This is a blip on the radar in comparison.
Ok, with further story, i really hate him now.
But what I’m saying is, Im sure he meant all the words he said to the recruits in his previous years, or even a few months ago. He wasn’t thinking “Screw you guys, you gonna be stuck in this shitty institution of Cal and you will watch me escape to a paradise”
I dunno about that. Seems like we have pretty good info the rumors are true at this point – if Tosh really bled blue and gold like people seemed to think before 2 days ago, could he have left the way he did? Seems to me he might have been faking that for a while now.
by Missing Barry on Jan 18, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like Tosh won't ever be back
Link to post by Jim McGill on BI.
“I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don’t even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, “DON’T GO TO CAL?” "
ick is right
Leaving because of Injurygate and the $$$ is one thing but this is probably the worst possible way he could have treated his players, boss/employer/former coach, and alma mater…
HOLY SH.................
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 18, 2012 1:20 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
well, this exists now..
http://memegenerator.net/Traitor-Tosh
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by nativeson on Jan 18, 2012 2:24 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I have a lot less sympathy for Tosh/K than most, I think. It’s bullshit that they had to do this for their families. Kiesau and Lupoi were both good coaches, and many offers would have certainly come their way in the future. To do it now is just coldhearted and fucked over not just a public university and a good person (Tedford), but lot of young men who put their utmost trust in them. That’s the worst part of all. I don’t feel so bad about the football, which, granted, sucks, but that Lupoi and Kiseau represented our university very, very poorly.
KEEP CALM
AND
Z ON
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 18, 2012 2:01 AM PST up reply actions
"Besides that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?""
I’ve been in that mode for two days. You know things are bad when the one place on the Internet, CGB, where I can come and kick it with my fellow Bears, is a place of dread. I won’t say the D word, but damn if I’m not expecting an asteroid to land on the new Center.
Lawrence Ross
“Earthquake destroys partially retrofitted stadium.”
seriously though I wish I were capable of not coming here til after signing day.
KEEP CALM
AND
Z ON
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 18, 2012 1:58 AM PST up reply actions
Me too. I tried to make that pledge...
But there’s a maudlin, masochistic nature to this that one must go through as a Cal alum. You can’t avoid it, there’s no getting around it. When you get kicked in the nuts, the only thing you can only hope is that Sophia Vergara is there to make it all feel better.
Lawrence Ross
Seriously...
…..is there a Cal fan who hasn’t actually thought of that?
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