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TwistNHook: DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Today. We are all Old Blues.

LeonPowe: This news seems less than optimal.

Solarise: Must we be so negaBear? Can we not be happy for Tosh gettin' paid?

TwistNHook: DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Berkelium97: This pretty much sums up my reaction

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LeonPowe: Well, I think we would've preferred him getting paid Cal dollars.


I think there's a couple of questions that are obvious looking at the immediate future - long term, I think we'll be ok with the SAHPC, but are we in danger of losing recruits from this class and recruits that were in the pipeline? Also, who will step up and be that link between the older coachs (Tedford, Pendergast, Coach M) and the young kids who play X-Box who Tosh has such a good connection with?

(LeonPowe's suggestion: Zach Follett)

Cugel: No fun being a mod today at all.


I guess it just good it's UW instead of Oregon, only 1 troll instead of 100.

NorCalNick: This kind of topic is the opposite of fun. I like talking about what happens on the field, not the back room machinations , important though they may be. It's frustrating that one assistant coach can evidently be so important that everybody freaks out that he leaves.

Personally, I'm going to choose to believe a few things: 1) Tosh has already recruited enough talent to make Cal competitive over the next few years 2) The natural advantages Cal has (education, location, facilities, etc.) will allow for any coach to recruit to a reasonable level.

I'm not going to let this news get me down because as soon as I start getting depressed over assistant coach job changes I've officially entered the danger zone of college football obsession . . . oh, who am I fooling, I'm already in the DANGER ZONE!

Kodiak: Whenever a Cal alum decides to switch allegiances, it's a sad day.

Speaking as a small business owner, it's tough when one of your best people decides to go elsewhere. From a pure business and $$$ standpoint, sometimes the math just doesn't add up and you can't begrudge someone for doing what's best for them.

It's easy to say, "why didn't we just pay him?" Well, giving a huge raise to one position coach without doing the same for other coaches who might have equal or more seniority, experience, and value could destroy your team. And given the financial state of California and Cal Athletics, that just might not have been feasible.

It does bother me that Tosh would leave without letting his players know about it. How can you preach about family, trust, and accountability when you're willing to bail without so much as a meeting? This might be the part that bothers me the most. Would a "hey guys, I'm sorry, but..." talk have been so tough? Either this says a lot about Tosh as a man, or it says a lot about the inter-personal dynamic of our coaching staff. There are no good answers here, just varying degrees of ugly.

For a silver lining dose of sunshine pumping, keep in mind that Mariucci and Holmoe were both considered great recruiters. Tosh connected well to several recruits, but it was the shift in the overall Cal approach over the last few years combined with the facilities that has sold well. There's no way to sugar coat the impact. We could lose some commits and recruits who were wavering over the short term. But, the pieces are still in place for the Bear to not quit, nor die.


TwistNHook: At least we can use the term "Tosh.No"

CBKWit: Winner.

Berkelium97: Would you guys have been comfortable if we matched the 500k offer?


Personally, I think 500k is a bit steep. That is far more than any of our non-Tedford coaches earns in a season. Lupoi was a tremendous coach and a fantastic recruiter, but 500k? I am surprised a public university like UW was able to pony up that kind of cash.

Avinash: If we could pay it? Yes. You want a first-class football program, you have to pay for it. Particularly in the Pac-12, where you see teams paying exorbitant amounts to their new coaching staffs. Cal can't pussyfoot around and try to nickel and dime their coaches just because it's Cal and everyone will stay here forever.

That Tosh would make a lateral move to an average-performing program after talking about being a Bear forever tells me that we really didn't do enough on this front.

Kodiak: 500k is just the official salary. We have no idea if there are any undisclosed bonuses from private donors.


On the one hand, you could look at it and say that 500k is a small investment versus the quality of players that Tosh would bring in, and hopefully, the ensuing success with corresponding revenue to our football team. On the other, I don't see how you could pay Tosh that type of scratch without giving a similar bump to Gould, Michalczick, and Pendergast at the very least. Let's face it. We're not one of the bluebloods of college football. Not sure that we'll ever be, less sure that we'd want to be. We are who we are, and that engenders a moneyballesque approach where we're never going to be able to keep up in the arms race with schools who will sell the farm and damn the torpedoes to pay for their pound of flesh. Time will tell whether UW has made a fantastic steal, or will experience buyer's remorse.

NorCalNick: On a side note, everybody knows you can't pay players. But it's kinda creepy that UW is basically dropping half a million to pay the guy to get you players. Good ole college football, paying the middleman to avoid appearances of impropriety!

Avinash: I find it hard to believe that the Pac-12 TV contract could not be spent on bolstering coaching salaries just a bit for everyone at Cal. I don't even think Tosh would've had to be paid as much as UW. $300k or so and then boosters would take care of more of that.


If Cal has to go moneyball, they're really wasting their natural advantages they enjoy over Oregon, UW and other Pac-12 schools not named USC or UCLA now that they have the facilities and new stadium all ready to go.

TwistNHook: The thought that I have is that Tosh was very successful being a recruiter, in part because he was able to preach the "family" approach at Cal.

Now, having burned his "family," how much will that hurt his sales approach? I know that he'll still be very successful with UW, but he's definitely lost credibility with this whole situation. Does that hurt recruiting?

Avinash: I doubt what happened with Cal will make a huge impact. When it comes down to it, leaving Cal isn't really thought of as a huge betrayal as it would at other big programs. It's considered an 'upward move', even when it really isn't.


What will make an impact is that he's in UW. California recruits generally don't leave California unless no one else wants them. It's been a long time since Washington has landed major defensive recruits.

What will matter more is how much the defense improves next season with Wilcox and Tosh leading things in the trenches. If the defense looks great, then players might start taking notice and Washington might emerge as a power. It's clear they have the offensive talent to succeed.

Solarise: BTW - Justin Wilcox has tried to poach Tosh from Cal while he was at Tennessee. Looks like Wilcox has finally succeeded by ceding some D-coordinator duties with Tosh.


I really have no doubt that Tosh will be a great coach wherever he goes. He's proven himself developing 1st rounders like Tyson Alualu and Cam Jordan. Tosh's void left at Cal will be felt on both the coaching and the recruiting front. I think it'll take the combination of both Hardy Nickerson Sr and Zach Follett fill the void unless we find another young + upcoming coach+recruiter. Is Brennan Carroll, Pete's son, available by any chance?

Avinash: Zach would be a nice grad assistant and a great recruiting guy. But I doubt he's ready to be a coach. Certainly not at a position like the D-line.


Nickerson wants to coach college? I guess he has a year of experience, but that's with his specialty, linebackers.

LeonPowe: I don't think he loses cred at all because he'll be building relationships with the UW defensive players and I'm sure he'll cultivate the same sort of atmosphere in Seattle. And recruits will see that.

Solarise: Avi has just killed our Twitter fantasy D-Line Coach and Recruiting Coordinator list!

Atomsareenough: Sorry I was out today guys. Man, WTF. I haven't seen any of the comments or anything yet, so this is just my initial reaction.


I wish I shared Kodiak's sense of perspective on this one, but I'm having a hard time. It's not just that "one of our best people decided to go elsewhere". He decided to go not just elsewhere, but to a DIRECT competitor. Lest we forget, Washington is not just in our conference, but they're in our division. We play them every year, and we're vying for the exact same spot in the Pac-12 Championship game every year. So, they are one of the worst teams he could have gone to, Plus, they're the team I'd say that is currently the most at parity with us in football (let's face it, Oregon and USC are a cut above at this point, and probably Stanfurd is too, though who knows what the post-Luck era will look like), so this could very well swing Washington ahead of us as well.

...and to compound matters, not only is he leaving us for them, he is leaving at pretty much the WORST possible time. Armstead was expected to announce for us today, and instead of us getting to celebrate that, we have McCarthy flipping and Armstead on the fence. LOI day is just a couple of weeks away and instead of a top 5 class, we're now just hoping we can hang onto some of the guys we have commitments from already. There is really no positive to this for Cal in any way.

Furthermore, I think "why didn't we just pay him?" is a totally reasonable and legitimate question. Tosh didn't leave us for a fancy private school with unlimited coffers. He didn't go to USC or Notre Dame. He went to Washington, which is another public school in the same conference, whose budgets should not be light-years ahead of ours in any way. Obviously Tosh had a lot of value in the marketplace. We've known for weeks that Washington and other schools were coming after him hard. When it comes down to it, you have to pay your high performers what they're worth.

Man, this is just really, really disappointing in every dimension. I am significantly less hopeful and optimistic today than I was yesterday.

TwistNHook: And with that, a mighty cheer went up from the heroes of CGB. They had banished the awful Tosh Lupoi forever, because he was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of turnip juice.

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It isn't THAT big of a deal folks

If we treat it like the end of the world, why wouldn’t we expect some 2.3 GPA recruit to think any differently.

-Tedford is still our coach.
-Gould, Michalczik, et al are still our coaches
-The new Memorial is still our home
-We’re still in Berkeley, CA
-Berkelium is still element 97
-The Play was still the greatest play in the history of organized sports
-Kidd and Rodgers still wore the blue and gold
-Top Dog and Steve’s BBQ are still open
-Most importantly, the great Leon Litwack still taught my History 7B course and Scheckman and Tjian taught me molecular and cell biology

by JoeCarr on Jan 17, 2012 3:08 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

-Tedford is still our coach. FOR NOW
-Gould, Michalczik, et al are still our coaches FOR NOW
-The new Memorial is still our home FOR NOW
-We’re still in Berkeley, CA FOR NOW
-Berkelium is still element 97 FOR NOW
-The Play was still the greatest play in the history of organized sports FOR NOW
-Kidd and Rodgers still wore the blue and gold FOR NOW
-Top Dog and Steve’s BBQ are still open FOR NOW
-Most importantly, the great Leon Litwack still taught my History 7B course and Scheckman and Tjian taught me molecular and cell biology FOR NOW

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

by BerkeleyChris on Jan 17, 2012 3:10 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You make salient points that nobody could refute.

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by TwistNHook on Jan 17, 2012 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Interestingly enough

the closest that Cal came to getting to the Rose Bowl in recent history was when Tosh was not a recruiter…in 2002.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

2004

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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

No biggie

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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Steve's BBQ is terrible

Nuff said. Definitely NOT korean bbq. Blech. I hope that place closes. Would make me happier lolol

by CalBandBassDrum on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Meh

it’s a good cheap alternative to burgers…the ramen place and the Taiwanese food place is pretty good.

Never got the love for Top Dogs.

Sadly, Sufficient Grounds is no longer.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

sads about sufficient. also sads about wall berlin. had like the strongest, most caffeinated coffee.

by j.lee on Jan 17, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

booo….

but agreed, it isn’t good korean, barely passes as korean, but who can beat a pile of meat, rice and veggie-like substance for like $6-$7 bucks?

by j.lee on Jan 17, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Steve’s is fucking delicious, “real” Korean food or no. Case closed.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 18, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's a crock to say

that it wasn’t possible to give Tosh a big raise and not the other assistants. The money would be completely justified because of his recruiting function.

Every coach knows it is Tosh bringing in the best recruits and adding that (huge) benefit to the team, besides what he adds with his coaching.

Isn’t all that recruiting a lot of extra work too? Doesn’t he spend way for time communicating with these kids and traveling around to visit them? If he adds so much more value (through recruiting) and does a lot more work than any of the other position coaches, why shouldn’t he make a lot more money?

by C98 on Jan 17, 2012 6:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

without knowing the true financial state of Cal athletics, I don’t know enough to say it’s a ‘crock’ or not but it’s definitely a question we CAN/SHOULD ask.

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by ikoolykedat on Jan 17, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

If there's not enough money that's one thing. That was not my point.

Everyone is saying it’s because they couldn’t pay him for than other asst coaches.

by C98 on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

They are saying that because it’s true,

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by Cugel on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Is it?

Let’s say we match Tosh’s 500k offer. He is now, by far, our highest paid assistant. Pendergast can’t be making 255k less than the D-line coach, so we need to bump his salary too. Is it fair that a 29-year-old coach who has only been with the program is making 500k? Not really, so we’d probably need to bump up the salary of Gould, who is just as important to the program and has been here for 15 years. This could go on and on…

Basically, I find it very difficult to imagine a scenario where we match Tosh’s offer without completely restructuring the salaries of several of our other assistant coaches. In that case, it’s not about finding an extra 336k, we’d have to come up with close to a million more per year.

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by Berkelium97 on Jan 17, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Fine. You can say that it's a crock.

But it’s not reasonable to assume that the AD and the coaching staff share your inflated sense of Tosh’s importance.

Nor is it reasonable to simply ignore pressures and circumstances external to the Athletic Department that nonetheless impinge on the Athletic Department.

Losing Lupoi to UW stings, no doubt. But I believe that there will be good alternatives and the coaching staff will rally, and strongly finish this year’s recruiting. The SAHPC and a renovated Cal Memorial aren’t chopped liver.

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by FiatSlug on Jan 17, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. The SAHPC is pretty ridiculous. Plus Cal academics. Plus the location. Plus the whole NFL pipeline perception (Cal has ~33 active NFL players v UW’s 10). We’ll be alright.

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by since1997 on Jan 17, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

There's also the point that....

……while it would be okay to also give others raises (despite it being expensive), there are some who may not merit a big increase who think they deserve it anyway. Then it’s not such a big family atmosphere anymore, is it? Still, the undeserving could be incentivized……“Mr. Genyk, a $100K bonus is in store for you if our opponents’ average drive this coming season begins at the 25 yard line or better after kickoffs, we average better than 40 yards net punting, and there are fewer than 10 holding or blocking penalties called on us on kicking and punt returns over the course of the season.”

by ososdeoro on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

But you can't afford to give all assistant huge raises

Here’s the breakdown of what are assistants make now: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-12-19/college-assistant-salaries-package/52123650/1

We can’t afford an additional 4 or 5 coaches $350-400k bump. Just not realistic.

by vanman1013 on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

At first I thought Cal was a little cheap

but Cal’s pay for assistant coaches is pretty consistent with other public schools in the Pac-12

ASU, Arizona, Oregon, Utah, and UCLA assistants make about 200K and Line coaches about 150K or so

Wazzu pays a lot less.

Oregon State fits the mold except for Banker ($375K)

Colorado is paying a lot for their assistants

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Cal is a little cheap. The whole Pac is cheap when it comes to paying assistants.

by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Pac-12 is a little cheap but Cal is about where other conference team are.

SEC is through the roof as are teams like Texas. But Big 10 teams are pretty close to what Pac-12 team as are lower SEC teams and Big-12 teams.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

the Pac is cheap when you compare them to the SEC or B1G… let’s face it, Cal will never pay at an SEC level. UW is making an effort, but until it pays off for UW and they win a few Pac12 Championships w/ this group of highly paid assistants and coaches, the Pac12 will not reach SEC levels of assistant compensation

by stevvy89 on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Even the B1G is not that rich

Michigan St., Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State all have assistants range from 150K to 350K. Greg Mattison is the exception at $750K.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

ah, well I was wrong to assume B1G was in the same class as the SEC. But still, the point remains. I don’t think the Pac will see dramatic jump in coaches pay unless UW starts winning lots and lots of games. Last I checked. Oregon and the furd were doing fine not paying their coaches sky-high amounts of money.

p.s. the last assistant UW paid lots of money for allowed 67 points to baylor the last time he was seen on the sidelines. his name rhymes with Hick Nolt.

by stevvy89 on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t Harbaugh’s bathroom equate to like one year salary for one of our assistants?

by mrjpark on Jan 17, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

wasn’t his shitter made from ivory from extinct rainbow spotted elephants?

by j.lee on Jan 17, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

With the new $ agreements the Pac signed, I’d expect them to be more competitive on that end in the future, at least.

by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree, eventually the salaries will trend upward… but in the next year? i don’t see it.

by stevvy89 on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, dunno when it will start to happen, just that it will eventually.

by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

When *was* he supposed to leave?

Jobs open up after the season. That means within a month or so of signing day. I think it’d be a pretty cheap trick to stick around until recruits sign their LOIs, then leave.

On the other hand, it’s kinda crappy to try to bring recruits with you. Why not just say “Hey, I got an offer I couldn’t refuse, but I still think Cal’s a great place for you.”?

I feel like we don’t know the whole story. If we were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after Injurygate, we might as well wait a few days now until more details surface before we light the bridges on fire.

by bigdruid on Jan 17, 2012 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

or

talk the time to tell the players already on the team and the other coaches that he was leaving rather than telling the big time recruit two times about his decision.

This also a rumor that he didn’t allow Cal to match a second offer.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

This also a rumor that he didn’t allow Cal to match a second offer.

To be fair, there’s also a rumor that they [Sandy] decided not to match the second offer. I hope we at least get some reliable details on these things eventually.

by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree that the timing would've been tricky regardless.

We don’t know enough, but maybe enough of the money, shared DC duties, and other ancillary benefits finally came together in a way that was appealing enough to leave just when it did. Maybe it wasn’t until there were additional incentives that Wilcox and Sark were offering that didn’t become available until just last week.

What worries me more are these bubbling rumors that the “coaching environment” and Tosh’s issues with Tedford had something to do with it. If there’s some drama going on within the assistant ranks, then: 1) it doesn’t bode well for team unity come season-time, and 2) explains partially why Tosh would bail in the manner he did.

All I can say is this: Huck the Fuskies.

Sark, we’re coming for you.

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by Whohah on Jan 17, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

The worst part of it

is that he didn’t even tell his own players. He told Shaq he was leaving, but guys like Gabe King had to find out from Twitter.

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by Berkelium97 on Jan 17, 2012 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

He told Shaq he was leaving, and oh yeah please come be a Husky now.

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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The sad thing is it seems like Shaq is actually considering it. I know these are young kids but how could a kid even consider going with a coach who just left Cal like a thief in the night.

by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Again, to be fair, Shaq always liked UW because of Wilcox and James Sample. Tosh going to UW just tipped the scales in their favor, but it was hardly the first straw.

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by cldpc on Jan 17, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Concerning the fact that he gave Shaq advanced warning and then tried to recruit him while still on the payroll of Cal, is such a thing legal? Assuming it is legal, is such a thing permitted by the NCAA?

by Bears916 on Jan 17, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He didn't "actively" recruit Shaq

until after he signed the contract…he just told him that “he was thinking about it”

Scummy but probably not illegal.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

this is why everybody is so pissed off, including me. Take that money Tosh, I probably would too, but don’t screw over your current employer while doing it—especially the one that gave you your start.

by Paulie on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes. That's the part that too me from "sorry to see you

go, Tosh" to “Fuck you, Tosh.”

Nobody can blame him for pursuing a more lucrative opportunity, but he didn’t have to try and burn the program down on his way out.

by C98 on Jan 17, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s just a bit of an exaggeration in that to date, I haven’t heard him say anything negative about our program or Tedford for that matter.

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by Cugel on Jan 17, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

You don’t have to say anything negative to burn the program.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

and his actions are much much louder than any words right now.

by Paulie on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

This. This pisses me off more than anything.

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by cldpc on Jan 17, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, at least at his new position with the Whoreshington Whoreskies (I’m trying that one out, what do you think) he’ll be able to instill the virtues of loya- er, commitm-, er, being part of a tea-, er…. Well, at least he’ll be able to talk capably about the principle of DOLLA DOLLA BILL Y’ALL

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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see you as the type of person who finds slightly changing the name of rival teams for insulting purposes all that amusing.

But perhaps I don’t know you.

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by TwistNHook on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh, it’s only somewhat amusing :)

I wouldn’t use it on a permanent basis, because that would get old in a hurry, but it’s fun to trot out a new diss every now and again.

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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

haha good point. It’s a bit of a tongue-twister to say as well.

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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Assuming this is about the money (and boat?)

I don’t see this as a particularly big deal in the long run. With the new facilities in place, recruiting will be fine, and I actually take some pride that my alma mater isn’t selling out as completely as many of its peers across the country. If it’s a loser’s attitude to wince at the super-inflation now infecting college football, then so be it. Wins are nice, but Cal football Saturdays have always been more about the tradition, the band, the camaraderie with fellow Blues old and young, and the diversion from real life. Winning is only everything in professional sport.

My sadness at this news today has less to do with what it means for the future of Cal and more for the future of college football in general. While college football has pushed the limits of the spirit of amateurism since the late 1800s, I’m beginning to think, like Dave Zirin, that those limits finally have been breached beyond any sort of justification:

The money has metastasized dramatically and as Emerson said, "Money often costs too much." Athletic departments have now become a moral dead-zone. For winning college football programs, the amount of cash flowing in the system is staggering. For mediocre and losing college football programs, the sport is bankrupting athletic departments, but they spend more with the hope that a winning team will cover all losses. Our schools are being sold on margin right under our noses and I’m done with it. Until the criminal cartel that is the NCAA is finally made a relic of history; until the rancid BCS system is no more; until coaches are no longer the highest paid and most powerful people on campus; until the NFL funds it’s own damn minor league and stops outsourcing this task to our universities; until all of these things happen, I’m done and I hope I’m not alone. Unless we boycott sham amateurism and indentured servitude masquerading as sport, we will never reclaim sports.

I’m not ready yet, myself, to boycott Cal football, but I’ve already started boycotting the rest of the sport. Not so much as a political statement as just a reflection of my dwindling interest. I just don’t care anymore.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Jan 17, 2012 7:31 AM PST reply actions  

I don't get this

Football makes a lot more money than it spends. A lot more.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

One short answer: universities are not business enterprises governed primarily by a bottom line, and individual programs, especially within the athletics, are not profit centers. It deeply, deeply saddens me that society has crept so far away from this distinction. (And I would add that this is not solely an issue for Athletics, but also pertains to other areas of the modern university, such as the business and medical schools.)

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Jan 17, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Disagree

a university is a business. The students and alumni are its product. You put in different parts and cogs in there depending on the machine/business you wan to run.

But a university is a business.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Being a non-profit doesn’t make it not a business.

by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes it does. If not organized for the primary purpose of making a profit, then how else do you define “business”?

To answer my own question, I suppose one might define “business” as any organization engaged in purposeful economic production and exchange, and there are no shortage of models for how such an organization could be set up. (My personal favorite would be Trappist monks paying their own way by making and selling beer and cheese.) But the crucial distinction, it seems to me, is whether or not your primary goal is to earn profits that ultimately go to the owners of the company. What is the mission of a “business”? I think most would answer, to make money. Period.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Jan 17, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Well Wikipedia disagrees with you so you must be wrong!

by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Not only burned but bombed and with a troll living under the bridge.

Perhaps Tosh comes back one day but I doubt it happens while Tedford is still HC.

by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 7:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

And I hope we don't.

Long run, and I’ve been a Cal fan since 1980, is that Lupoi is the flavor of the moment. Eventually, he’ll become an old coach, and some other young kid will have the recruiting appeal that he currently brings to a program.

Especially when you consider that places like Bear Territory.net are still harping over the Oregon controversy last year as the reason Lupoi left, then you have to think that at some point this would blow up in our faces. And apparently, if that was one of the causes, then Lupoi was going to do this at the worst time regardless. But, there’s opportunity to be had right now, and Cal needs to go grab it.

The Zach Follett tweets indicate, for instance, that this might be a direction that the school seriously needs to look at now, even if he’s not ready to immediately work at the same level as Lupoi, but in terms of his long term development as someone who might want to coach. And I’m sure that there are more former players for whom this same idea might apply, and who would welcome the chance to work at Cal.

I feel better about this than I did last night. Still, if we can move to bring in a Zach Follett, or a Hardy Nickerson, then it would position the program nicely going forward. Either way, Cal has got to make a commitment to Ron Gould right now, and should make sure that they don’t lose him, FWIW.

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research."

by Auricursine on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

At the moment, the only thing that To$h could possibly get me to flip is the bird.

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The only way I'd want Tosh back

is in a body bag.

Not really, but I wouldn’t want him as a coach here.

by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

He doesn’t have to be dead to be in a body bag. It could just be like, a Halloween costume.

by mrjpark on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Anyone have updates on the rumor that Kiesau is gone to UW to coach their WRs?

I’ve been seeing this pop up a lot in the past 12 hours. I hope to God not.. .but… yea…

by Maxdarkfire on Jan 17, 2012 8:11 AM PST reply actions  

Where’d you see that.

I’d consider that DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 2.0

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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Here is what I’m seeing on twitter, hopefully it’s just a baseless rumor. I guess we can wait and see.

MM Sports Consulting: Rumor has it that Eric Kiesau WR coach at Cal Bears has been hired to coach WR’s at University of Washington. pic.twitter.com/RU00i2Iy
9 hours ago
avinashkunnath: @MmSprtsConsultn Where are you hearing this about Kiesau.
MmSprtsConsultn MM Sports Consulting: @avinashkunnath I cannot out my sources but look for it to be announced as early as tomorrow morning.

by Maxdarkfire on Jan 17, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Sark couldn’t fit both Tosh and Coach K’s luggage on the plane yesterday and are coming back for him tomorrow.

That would be crazy if this turns out to be true and UW has shown that they are willing to throw money at coaches and thy could easily pay Coach K more than Cal currently is.

by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 8:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Ultimately, if they are willing to throw a half mill towards any assistant football coach…

I definitely lean on the football side of the athletics-academics argument, seeing as how football brings in so much more money than it takes. But, there comes a point where you are really selling your soul. I guess that’s ok for a place like UW, but for the University of California… if we lose because we get outspent to that degree, so be it.

TROLL ON YOU BEARS. - atoms

by cldpc on Jan 17, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree. I’m just saying that if UW is willing to spend up to half a million on an assistant coach than no rumor can be considered baseless.

by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

baseless rumor.

Someone’s trying to get the WR corps to decommit.

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I think a lot of people thought the Tosh rumors were baseless as well

The truth is, UW seems to have deep pockets and are willing to spend what it takes to get the coaches they want. UW has an openning at WR coach and it seems like they can pay K more than Cal probably can.

Also UW Dawg Pound seem to think its a possibility as they are posting about it.

by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 9:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

we can save some money by hiring Daft!

by JustBear on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Then someone better be having serious talks with the recruits.

by dcblue on Jan 17, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

if true, then DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

"Our sturdy golden troll"

-cldpc

by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Why would I wish Tosh good luck in Seattle? He is getting paid to beat anyone who is not mutt football.

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by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 17, 2012 9:21 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

there's an alex mack in this recruiting class

and none of us know who he is yet. i feel like all of this handwringing over recruiting classes and the whims of specific recruits is an expansion of fanhood that is a bridge too far for me. kendricks was a three star on both scout and rivals. how many five-stars did he beat out to win the pac defensive player of the year? alualu was also a three-star recruit. mike mohamed—like mack—only two-star. a football team isn’t just a machine into which you feed a certain amount of stars and get a corresponding number of wins. look at miami and florida st.

18 year olds are fickle and capricious. pinning your hopes to them seems like feeling optimistic at a blackjack table because you’ve got an ok hand and the dealer’s showing a six. things are looking good and success seems so close but really there are so many ways that it can go wrong.

also as far as all of the doooooom goes i find that cal fans overstate the ravages of being a cal fan. there are very few programs in the country for whose fans life is any easier. with sports—chaos and disappointment are the rules and not the exception. do you think it’s any easier to be root for purdue or michigan state or arizona state or washington state or notre dame or boston college or rutgers? even the more illustrious programs offer their own disappointments. wisconsin: two years. two rose bowls. two heartbreakingly close rose bowl losses. oklahoma? we were haunted by riley’s 2007 goal line dash. but do you think usc fans were any less haunted by reggie bush’s rose bowl lateral vs. texas? or texas any less by mccoy getting hurt in the first quarter vs. bama or okst fans any less heartbroken to be left out the ncg than we were to be left out of the rose bowl in 2004? anyways. the tedford era hasn’t been without its doom but not significantly more than any others and a great deal less than most.

by aztectomb on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Shiiit-fire, I hope you are right. Good assistants leave programs all the time, and it shouldn’t affect us – except that every supernatural power and/or all-knowing creator, chief god, or everlasting spirit ever invented hates us and wants us to eat our own dog poop. That’s why we need every good coach we can get.

And $500K in Washington equals, like, well, I’m not sure, but it has to be at least 600K here.Ask an economist.

by fuzzywuzzy on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

After having lived in both palces — closer to $750k id say.

by Bears916 on Jan 17, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow. And Friday harbor is a beaut.

by fuzzywuzzy on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually, according to

a cost of living comparison website, it’s $687K.

by ososdeoro on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but WA has no income taxes, right? So that’s another 10% or so, isn’t it?

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

a football team isn’t just a machine into which you feed a certain amount of stars and get a corresponding number of wins. look at miami and florida st.

Agreed. Stars do correlate with success, though, so keep that in mind. It is good to have more stars. Personally, what I like most is seeing the staff land guys they really want – their first choices, and win recruiting battles to get them. When Coach M sounds ecstatic to get Steven Moore, I see that as a good sign. I don’t care that Moore is a 3* – if the coaching staff really wants him, that’s enough for me. It’s when the coaching staff starts losing recruiting battles and settling for Plan C guys that I get concerned.

by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Even with stars

I find them totally misleading. I think it’s much more important to look at 1) whether you are recruiting outside your backyard and 2) who your competition is.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, like I said, there is a pretty strong correlation between stars and success, so they’re not totally misleading. I don’t think criteria 1 is necessarily a good one – some teams can be successful without having to leave their backyard at all. Really depends on where your backyard is. If you’re Texas, you don’t ever need to recruit anyone outside of Texas. California also has enough talent that if a team really controls their backyard, they don’t need to look elsewhere. Agree on the competition part mostly, but again, that really goes back to the stars things – the recruiting sites add/subtract stars based on who’s recruiting a kid, so it is factored into stars in some amount.

by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

But they're not.

I find people don’t really understand stars and take them assurances. Stars don’t really mean these kids are going to pan out, having a 5 star recruit means he has the physical attributes necessary to succeed at the college — and potentially NFL — level. This guy is an athletic freak of nature that nobody can compete with in high school. If you get this 5 star, he should be an immediate impact just through pure size and speed, and with some coaching, he may develop into a true star. But he might not, there might be character issues. He might not just have the mental capacity or strength to really stick it through. Who knows? Nothing’s guaranteed. But these 5 stars have that extra potential. As you go down stars, you lose that. “This guy’s not really built for college yet, but with a couple of years in a college weight room, he may be great in his senior year!”

by mrjpark on Jan 17, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

More stars means they have the higher potential to be ready earlier, meaning you have more time to work on them and make sure they pan out. I’m sure there have been plenty of 5 star busts, but I’m also sure that when you look at it in terms of proportions, more 3 stars have busted and just graduated with a degree before they started a game.

by mrjpark on Jan 17, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I congratulate Tosh for getting paid.

We’d all want to receive such a raise, no? Seriously, that is a big bird in the hand he had to take.

Instead, I blame Tedford for not managing his staff, his recruiting process better such that not only would Tosh leave but that now some recruits are reconsidering things or won’t end up coming.

Management of such issues rise to the senior executive, Tedford.
Unless he can fix this quickly, it’s egg in his face, in my opinion.
Stuff like this (and the Keisau rumor above) is what makes a head coach lose his job – not whether we completed on 3rd and 10 with a run when everyone thought we should pass.

Big test for Tedford, in my opinion. We haven’t heard a word from him yet. He’s working hard at damage control. Let’s see if he can come up with anything at all.

by concordtom on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

He “had to take it”?

There is a lot more to life than money.

by manus on Jan 17, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Tripling your salary (as per the reported figures) is really hard to pass up…

by puresilence on Jan 17, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Impossible to pass up.

by Bears916 on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

The amounts we’re talking about are literally life changing.

by Bears916 on Jan 17, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

We offered him 300k

Which would make him (atleast in public ones) the highest paid DL coach in the pac-12

That’s not 3 times, that’s not even double his salary.

Don't Tread on Me.

by THESeymoreBear on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

$500K has made him the highest paid DL coach in the pac-12

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

A shack in the Bay area is a castle in the Northwest. He can finally run his very own pit-bull breeding program. Another reason I loved that guy…sniff.

by fuzzywuzzy on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

bye bye

receivers.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Tosh just found out THIS was the boat reports indicate UW promised to him. he’s not thrilled.

by stevvy89 on Jan 17, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

The cruise ship that ran aground this weekend off the coast of Italy.

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

The S.S. California Golden Bears

Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.

by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn! I’m on the T-I-T-A-N-I-C

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Shuffle the mods!!!

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Every day I'm shufflin'

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Don’t worry, it’s unsinkable.

Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.

by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

...

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Jan 17, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I… I can’t even speak. Please let this be baseless.

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

This has been talked about but it seems to be picking up steam

If he goes I could see the WR class really fall apart.

by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

SEE BELOW

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

This just in: the next logical step for UW in poaching Cal people!

UW has offered $600k to YOUR firstborn child to become an assistant on its football staff. The still unborn, not yet conceived child could not be reached for comment. Coach Sarkisian went on record saying, “I just really feel like this is an upgrade we needed for our staff. This child will be great in teaching the fundamentals of crawling and cooing. It’s going to be an investment that will reap untold dividends.”

by stevvy89 on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah...Silver is pretty convinced that Tedford threw Tosh under the bus for the Oregon thing

It just does not make sense to me logically but hey I have little or no real information.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

yes, but even if he was… did tosh really hold a grudge for >1 year? and if he was that pissed about it, why didn’t he bolt for Texas after last year?

by stevvy89 on Jan 17, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

if that’s true, it’s a big deal. I didn’t mind the strategy—it was borderline cheating but it was legitimate—but if Tedford had given the okay for it and then backed up and disavowed it, that would signal a bigtime character flaw.

Or is what it that Tosh didn’t have to be outed like he was—no one HAD to be suspended, but Tosh was still ultimately responsible. Which to me is a much less egregious case of “throwing under bus.” More of like, you were standing in front of the bus and no one threw themselves in front of it to save you.

by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s why it makes absolutely no sense to me. Tedford has played Oregon like a million times since he has been at Cal, never such a tactic. Especially not in a season where the team was awful.

As for no. 2, Tosh is an adult, if he did something wrong and should pay the penalty for it. What lesson would it teach the players if Tosh got away.

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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo

by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Lovely.
@adamgorney: Four-star #Cal commit Jordan Payton just told me #UCLA, #Washington and now #Michigan are back involved in his recruitment.

twitter link

by puresilence on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

Meh

sharks sensing blood.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, just blood. nothing to worry about.

wait. wait! It’s OUR blood! Get back on the phailboat!

by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Check out Zach Follett's twitter

http://twitter.com/#!/ZakarianFollett

It’s blowing up with people telling him to come coach at Cal. And he seems to be on board! ALL ABOARD THE PAIN TRAIN!

by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

hire zach follett and geoff mcarthur!

Geoff has been coaching since he graduated… Zach can start as a GA.

by gobears157 on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'm sorry,

but a day later things haven’t settled for me. Let’s not put lipstick on a pig. This is a totally devestating turn of events. You know what has to go? Not Tosh, but Tedfraud’s ego!

Suck on dese nuts TexAss!!!

by bearblueballz on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

What possible basis do you have to support this claim?

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

To$h is already gone.

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Greg Biggins @GregBiggins
Hearing it’s a done deal, Eric Kiesau will be new WR coach at #Washington, another big hire

FUCKING GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

Huskies rising quickly on my hate list. Actually, screw every other team in the conference. All of them.

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Right now the Huskies are #3 on my hate list after the Furd and U$C. Texas has been knocked to 4th.

by Maxdarkfire on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Right now the Huskies are #1 on my hate list with the Furd and U$C close #2 and #3

by JustBear on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

THEY’RE #1 RIGHT NOW.

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

when the official news release comes out that kiesau is gone and that Shaq and Payton are gone to U Dumb then they will 100% be the most hated… for now… I hope at least one of the three doesn’t happen, but I don’t have much hope.

by Maxdarkfire on Jan 17, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Did they not enjoy their rivalry with Oregon? Why not decimate THAT program in a weekend?

by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s all of us against all of them!

Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.

by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

You've got to be kidding me

Tedfraud, you’re sucking the life out of me. Come on buddy, get your head out of your ars!

Suck on dese nuts TexAss!!!

by bearblueballz on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm numb.....

It’s always been hard to be a Cal fan; the future is always bright but the present rarely matches my optimism. Now? The future is looking dimmer.

I don’t blame Tosh for taking such a well-paying job. I wish he stayed at Cal, but I get it. My big concern right now is for losing these guys that made our future look so bright, starting with Shaq. He’s ready to play RIGHT NOW and would have an immediate impact. I think it’s sucky for Tosh to pursue him now at UW, but this is a big boy sport and I guess that’s how it goes.

I hope Zach Kline can work some magic and keep our interested guys in the pipeline. There’s nothing I can do about it, and I’m numb right now.

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

This is interesting. AA still lists Cal as one of his "tops".
@juanonjuan10 @arikarmstead whats ya tops right now?
@arikarmstead @juanonjuan10 cal oregon notre dame auburn

Who knows what it means, but there you have it.

by C98 on Jan 17, 2012 11:04 AM PST reply actions  

i think he’s just playing the game.

but that tiny part of me is hoping he’s waiting to see who the replacement is.

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe Monty to the rescue?? Monty’s track record speaks for itself. If Monty calls and says he can push you to the next level basketball-wise, you listen.

by stevvy89 on Jan 17, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Why would he need to play the game?

It’s not like he is going to get more money.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Getting kicked in the nuts twice in a row really sucks. Its open season on Cal football with To$h leading the way. We need to ask ourselves now, who is next? Oski?

Ursus arctos californicus – California golden bear

by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 17, 2012 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

So K and Tosh are gone, how does this reflect on Tedford and Cal?

Talk about falling asleep at the wheel. How do you let one conference rival come in and grab two of your best coaches?

by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 11:05 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

PRINT FAKE MONEY, HAND OUT CAL STOCK OPTIONS

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

This hurts. I thought the TV money would even the playing field a little bit, but I guess not. Not a very good sign at all when an organization can’t keep good young talent around—makes me very uneasy about things.

by Paulie on Jan 17, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Remember when the Diamondbacks spent a bunch of money they didn’t have and won and then they were like bankrupt and they sucked? We think that is what is going on here.

WE ARE THE 0%

by zoonews on Jan 17, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think the Huskies are in danger of going bankrupt. An MLB payroll can easily be upwards of $100M. This is a few hundred g’s for a team that rakes in $35M a year.

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Well sure, if you are going to be all literal about it.

WE ARE THE 0%

by zoonews on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m just saying that even if the hires don’t work out (and I see no reason why they wouldn’t), it’s not going to do any long-term damage to the program to somewhat overpay a couple of coaches.

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

They’ll just have to cancel baseball but that will save baseball so yeah, no harm no foul.

WE ARE THE 0%

by zoonews on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Can I have some money? Please?

FUTBALL IZ SRS BUSINESS GUYZ // ONLY HAVE FUN WHEN ROZ BWL
--Thoroughbred

by sec119 on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn you and your lack of unlimited resourcez JT!!!

WE ARE THE 0%

by zoonews on Jan 17, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Bad Dominoes

I have family that are UW folks, so this is killing me, constant text msg, etc.

Just to shut them up for a moment, I told them that I heard Sark signed Oski for a ten year deal at $1 million per year, and all the Pacific Salmon they catch on Tosh’s boat.

Prior to recent events, I thought of Tosh as a great recruiter and up and coming coach that bled blue and gold. Now, I will remember him as the coach of the unit that gave up a game-winning 4th and Goal touchdown to UW to close Memorial.

by mathghamhain on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM PST reply actions  

I will think of him as the guy who left us high and dry for half a mil.

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Still no word from Cal side

maybe this isnt official yet. Maybe UCLA just ran a rumor to confuse our recruits!
and that Tosh is still the great ole Tosh

by JustBear on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

Hey man

we don’t play dirty~~

by Ganplosive on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

We can do nothing but be patient

Have to see who we get to replace Tosh and now possibly Kiesau. Horrible timing, but we get what we get. Cannot pay the same scale as the other programs, so I suspect we rely a whole bunch on the prestige of Cal and what it can do for you later in life.

The 5-star kids are looking at a pro career – at least that is what they are projecting – so a degree will likely have less priority and a fantastic place like Cal will have less upside. We will consistently get the 3-star and 4-star kids that have high expectations from the school they attend, not just the football program. We just have to coach them up. But realistically, it is nearly impossible to compete and we are irrational to think that we can consistently do so.

I am wondering if we will start hearing about a rift between the top level coaches at Cal (Tedford and the coordinators) and the lower level coaches and assistants – there has got to be more behind these moves than money. I mean really, can Sarkisian and UW be that good a destination? I don’t see it. They may be poaching our coaches, but they are not much less of a stepping stone than us.

Anyway, I’m behind the Bears 100%. The trials of being a Cal fan.

Middle-aged toothwrangler (HT: Kodiak)

by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

I hope we can use this occasion to snag a hot young coach from some other program.

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

How when we can't even seem to pay our own hot young coaches?

I thought the TV money would help us out as far as matching salaries but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

THIS

Not a good sign at all, frankly.

by Paulie on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s all going towards our enormous debt. we have a lot of sports, operating costs, and construction.

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

with a structural deficit like that…well Cal just can’t compete, then, in terms of money. I’m a Bear but this really makes me think that we are going to languish in mediocrity for who knows how long. Just reality sadly.

by Paulie on Jan 17, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel awfu. My stomach just dropped.

I needed something to make me believe that even when it seems all is lost and there is no way out, those that don’t give up, find a way to win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHsvdSPgzdg

The bear will not quit, the bear will not die.

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by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

What other coach do we have that the Huskies would hire?

Aside from Lupoi and Kiesau? This is getting really ridiculous…

by Jigglz on Jan 17, 2012 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

They hired Coach M in '09

Blasquez, Gould, Rope Coach,

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by Berkelium97 on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

omfg Blasquez

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

From an objective standpoint this is an interesting gambit on Washington's part.

It’s a classic dream-team scenario with the caveat that Washington is paying way the fuck over market rate. If it fails it will fail spectacularly.

/prays to COTG for a Philadelphia Eagles special.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Jan 17, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not what happens folks

…it’s how we take it…we need to let the players know that..they will get through this just fine but they need some calm leadership to allow that to happen…hope we have it.

"It's on the ROOF, oh yeah, one hundred PROOF, oh yeah....."

by TKE Prytanis 79 on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM PST reply actions  

from the reports, Tedford, coach M, and other assistants have been calling and visiting recruits to reassure them.

by stevvy89 on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

we’re getting the SAHPC next year. that’s a plus.

by stevvy89 on Jan 17, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

With our luck the SAHPC will be swallowed up by an earthquake

by Nkicker on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

but there won’t be anyone in it.

by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Why you disrespect the current athletes?

WE ARE THE 0%

by zoonews on Jan 17, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I was referring to coaches, but I see how it could be misleading. It was also a joke about how it seems like everybody is leaving. no disrespect intended, just irony.

by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

reports indicate that UW has offered the hostile crowd an “offer it couldn’t refuse” and that the hostile crowd accepted and has relocated to a yacht off Puget’s sound. Rumors say that the hostile crowd was enticed by the money, but also upset with Tedford because, well, its hostile.

by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

We need to start thinking up some chants now

So we can get the mic men on board to lead the student section

by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

HEY TOSH AND ERIC,

YOU’RE OUR TRAITORS. FOR TONIGHT.

TRAITORS TRAITORS TRAITORS

by iVinshe on Jan 17, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey Tosh and Eric,
This Ass-kicking is just for you!!

Never said it had to rhyme.

Jorge Gutierrez is "The guy with the hair plays with the flair"

by HeyAlumniGo on Jan 17, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL YES

This needs to happen.

CGB: Wasting Your Potential, Your Time, & Your Life Since 2006.

http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/

by BearStage on Jan 18, 2012 2:09 AM PST up reply actions  

YES!

I find the three major administrative problems on a campus are sex for the students, athletics for the alumni, and parking for the faculty. -- Clark Kerr

by CalBear2007 on Jan 18, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

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