Tosh.No: Is This What It Feels Like When Doves Cry?
TwistNHook: DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Today. We are all Old Blues.
LeonPowe: This news seems less than optimal.
Solarise: Must we be so negaBear? Can we not be happy for Tosh gettin' paid?
TwistNHook: DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Berkelium97: This pretty much sums up my reaction
LeonPowe: Well, I think we would've preferred him getting paid Cal dollars.
Cugel: No fun being a mod today at all.
Personally, I think 500k is a bit steep. That is far more than any of our non-Tedford coaches earns in a season. Lupoi was a tremendous coach and a fantastic recruiter, but 500k? I am surprised a public university like UW was able to pony up that kind of cash.
Avinash: If we could pay it? Yes. You want a first-class football program, you have to pay for it. Particularly in the Pac-12, where you see teams paying exorbitant amounts to their new coaching staffs. Cal can't pussyfoot around and try to nickel and dime their coaches just because it's Cal and everyone will stay here forever.
That Tosh would make a lateral move to an average-performing program after talking about being a Bear forever tells me that we really didn't do enough on this front.
Kodiak: 500k is just the official salary. We have no idea if there are any undisclosed bonuses from private donors.
NorCalNick: On a side note, everybody knows you can't pay players. But it's kinda creepy that UW is basically dropping half a million to pay the guy to get you players. Good ole college football, paying the middleman to avoid appearances of impropriety!
Avinash: I find it hard to believe that the Pac-12 TV contract could not be spent on bolstering coaching salaries just a bit for everyone at Cal. I don't even think Tosh would've had to be paid as much as UW. $300k or so and then boosters would take care of more of that.
If Cal has to go moneyball, they're really wasting their natural advantages they enjoy over Oregon, UW and other Pac-12 schools not named USC or UCLA now that they have the facilities and new stadium all ready to go.
TwistNHook: The thought that I have is that Tosh was very successful being a recruiter, in part because he was able to preach the "family" approach at Cal.
What will make an impact is that he's in UW. California recruits generally don't leave California unless no one else wants them. It's been a long time since Washington has landed major defensive recruits.
What will matter more is how much the defense improves next season with Wilcox and Tosh leading things in the trenches. If the defense looks great, then players might start taking notice and Washington might emerge as a power. It's clear they have the offensive talent to succeed.
Solarise: BTW - Justin Wilcox has tried to poach Tosh from Cal while he was at Tennessee. Looks like Wilcox has finally succeeded by ceding some D-coordinator duties with Tosh.
Nickerson wants to coach college? I guess he has a year of experience, but that's with his specialty, linebackers.
LeonPowe: I don't think he loses cred at all because he'll be building relationships with the UW defensive players and I'm sure he'll cultivate the same sort of atmosphere in Seattle. And recruits will see that.
Solarise: Avi has just killed our Twitter fantasy D-Line Coach and Recruiting Coordinator list!
Atomsareenough: Sorry I was out today guys. Man, WTF. I haven't seen any of the comments or anything yet, so this is just my initial reaction.
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It isn't THAT big of a deal folks
If we treat it like the end of the world, why wouldn’t we expect some 2.3 GPA recruit to think any differently.
-Tedford is still our coach.
-Gould, Michalczik, et al are still our coaches
-The new Memorial is still our home
-We’re still in Berkeley, CA
-Berkelium is still element 97
-The Play was still the greatest play in the history of organized sports
-Kidd and Rodgers still wore the blue and gold
-Top Dog and Steve’s BBQ are still open
-Most importantly, the great Leon Litwack still taught my History 7B course and Scheckman and Tjian taught me molecular and cell biology
by JoeCarr on Jan 17, 2012 3:08 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
-Tedford is still our coach. FOR NOW
-Gould, Michalczik, et al are still our coaches FOR NOW
-The new Memorial is still our home FOR NOW
-We’re still in Berkeley, CA FOR NOW
-Berkelium is still element 97 FOR NOW
-The Play was still the greatest play in the history of organized sports FOR NOW
-Kidd and Rodgers still wore the blue and gold FOR NOW
-Top Dog and Steve’s BBQ are still open FOR NOW
-Most importantly, the great Leon Litwack still taught my History 7B course and Scheckman and Tjian taught me molecular and cell biology FOR NOW
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
by BerkeleyChris on Jan 17, 2012 3:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You make salient points that nobody could refute.
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none of which will make a Rose Bowl appearance more likely
by Texpatriate on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Interestingly enough
the closest that Cal came to getting to the Rose Bowl in recent history was when Tosh was not a recruiter…in 2002.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry.
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No biggie
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Steve's BBQ is terrible
Nuff said. Definitely NOT korean bbq. Blech. I hope that place closes. Would make me happier lolol
by CalBandBassDrum on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Meh
it’s a good cheap alternative to burgers…the ramen place and the Taiwanese food place is pretty good.
Never got the love for Top Dogs.
Sadly, Sufficient Grounds is no longer.
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Steve’s is fucking delicious, “real” Korean food or no. Case closed.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 18, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
This pretty much sums up my reaction

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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 6:30 AM PST reply actions
I think it's a crock to say
that it wasn’t possible to give Tosh a big raise and not the other assistants. The money would be completely justified because of his recruiting function.
Every coach knows it is Tosh bringing in the best recruits and adding that (huge) benefit to the team, besides what he adds with his coaching.
Isn’t all that recruiting a lot of extra work too? Doesn’t he spend way for time communicating with these kids and traveling around to visit them? If he adds so much more value (through recruiting) and does a lot more work than any of the other position coaches, why shouldn’t he make a lot more money?
by C98 on Jan 17, 2012 6:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions
without knowing the true financial state of Cal athletics, I don’t know enough to say it’s a ‘crock’ or not but it’s definitely a question we CAN/SHOULD ask.
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
If there's not enough money that's one thing. That was not my point.
Everyone is saying it’s because they couldn’t pay him for than other asst coaches.
Is it?
Let’s say we match Tosh’s 500k offer. He is now, by far, our highest paid assistant. Pendergast can’t be making 255k less than the D-line coach, so we need to bump his salary too. Is it fair that a 29-year-old coach who has only been with the program is making 500k? Not really, so we’d probably need to bump up the salary of Gould, who is just as important to the program and has been here for 15 years. This could go on and on…
Basically, I find it very difficult to imagine a scenario where we match Tosh’s offer without completely restructuring the salaries of several of our other assistant coaches. In that case, it’s not about finding an extra 336k, we’d have to come up with close to a million more per year.
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Fine. You can say that it's a crock.
But it’s not reasonable to assume that the AD and the coaching staff share your inflated sense of Tosh’s importance.
Nor is it reasonable to simply ignore pressures and circumstances external to the Athletic Department that nonetheless impinge on the Athletic Department.
Losing Lupoi to UW stings, no doubt. But I believe that there will be good alternatives and the coaching staff will rally, and strongly finish this year’s recruiting. The SAHPC and a renovated Cal Memorial aren’t chopped liver.
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There's also the point that....
……while it would be okay to also give others raises (despite it being expensive), there are some who may not merit a big increase who think they deserve it anyway. Then it’s not such a big family atmosphere anymore, is it? Still, the undeserving could be incentivized……“Mr. Genyk, a $100K bonus is in store for you if our opponents’ average drive this coming season begins at the 25 yard line or better after kickoffs, we average better than 40 yards net punting, and there are fewer than 10 holding or blocking penalties called on us on kicking and punt returns over the course of the season.”
But you can't afford to give all assistant huge raises
Here’s the breakdown of what are assistants make now: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-12-19/college-assistant-salaries-package/52123650/1
We can’t afford an additional 4 or 5 coaches $350-400k bump. Just not realistic.
At first I thought Cal was a little cheap
but Cal’s pay for assistant coaches is pretty consistent with other public schools in the Pac-12
ASU, Arizona, Oregon, Utah, and UCLA assistants make about 200K and Line coaches about 150K or so
Wazzu pays a lot less.
Oregon State fits the mold except for Banker ($375K)
Colorado is paying a lot for their assistants
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Cal is a little cheap. The whole Pac is cheap when it comes to paying assistants.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Pac-12 is a little cheap but Cal is about where other conference team are.
SEC is through the roof as are teams like Texas. But Big 10 teams are pretty close to what Pac-12 team as are lower SEC teams and Big-12 teams.
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the Pac is cheap when you compare them to the SEC or B1G… let’s face it, Cal will never pay at an SEC level. UW is making an effort, but until it pays off for UW and they win a few Pac12 Championships w/ this group of highly paid assistants and coaches, the Pac12 will not reach SEC levels of assistant compensation
Even the B1G is not that rich
Michigan St., Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State all have assistants range from 150K to 350K. Greg Mattison is the exception at $750K.
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ah, well I was wrong to assume B1G was in the same class as the SEC. But still, the point remains. I don’t think the Pac will see dramatic jump in coaches pay unless UW starts winning lots and lots of games. Last I checked. Oregon and the furd were doing fine not paying their coaches sky-high amounts of money.
p.s. the last assistant UW paid lots of money for allowed 67 points to baylor the last time he was seen on the sidelines. his name rhymes with Hick Nolt.
With the new $ agreements the Pac signed, I’d expect them to be more competitive on that end in the future, at least.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, dunno when it will start to happen, just that it will eventually.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
There is an old saying
“It’s not what you do, it’s the way that you do it.”
I’ve let yesterday settle a bit. The sun still came up this morning (well, sorta — it was kind of overcast, but you get the idea), and I still had to go to work.
I’m not upset that Tosh left for that cesspool up north. After all, they offered him a lot more money, and these things happen. Fair enough. He’s got to look out for himself and his own. I get that.
But I also don’t want to hear any garbage from him about “how hard it was to leave” or how coaching for that dungheap is “a great challenge” or “a great opportunity” or any bullshit about how it was in any way about “advancing his career.”
It was all about the money. We now know that all of Tosh’s talk about loyalty, family, dedication, etc etc etc can be bought for $500K per year. Hey, we all have our price, we now know just how expensive a whore Tosh is. I could probably be bought for less than that, myself.
But his taking a new job is not a problem for me. The problem is that in doing it now, and in the way he did, he basically gave a giant middle finger to everything he supposedly held important. He not only left Cal, he kicked the other coaches and the next few years of the program in the nuts, then set it on fire, then put that fire out by pissing on it, then forced the alums and fans and current staff to make him a damn sammich so he could fill his colon and take a dump on his destruction before he left for good.
If he had the smallest iota of the integrity he wanted us to believe he had, he wouldn’t have done a scorched earth by leaving two weeks before signing day. He wouldn’t have left in a way that ensured that several of our top prospects bail with him, leaving only a precious few days to suddenly have to fill spots that up til yesterday were basically assured.
Tosh’s leaving won’t kill the university, but the way in which he left does leave a really big problem for right now.
At this point, I don’t care whether Tosh succeeds or not. It would be nice if he did, but I won’t lose any thought if he doesn’t. But if nothing else, he’s given us a glimpse at his true character, and how willing he is to just turn his back completely on things that he conned us into believing were important to him
My last thought on the matter is that Karma is a Bear, and when it finally does come back on him I hope he understands why.
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by SoCal Oski on Jan 17, 2012 7:18 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
When *was* he supposed to leave?
Jobs open up after the season. That means within a month or so of signing day. I think it’d be a pretty cheap trick to stick around until recruits sign their LOIs, then leave.
On the other hand, it’s kinda crappy to try to bring recruits with you. Why not just say “Hey, I got an offer I couldn’t refuse, but I still think Cal’s a great place for you.”?
I feel like we don’t know the whole story. If we were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after Injurygate, we might as well wait a few days now until more details surface before we light the bridges on fire.
or
talk the time to tell the players already on the team and the other coaches that he was leaving rather than telling the big time recruit two times about his decision.
This also a rumor that he didn’t allow Cal to match a second offer.
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This also a rumor that he didn’t allow Cal to match a second offer.
To be fair, there’s also a rumor that they [Sandy] decided not to match the second offer. I hope we at least get some reliable details on these things eventually.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
I agree that the timing would've been tricky regardless.
We don’t know enough, but maybe enough of the money, shared DC duties, and other ancillary benefits finally came together in a way that was appealing enough to leave just when it did. Maybe it wasn’t until there were additional incentives that Wilcox and Sark were offering that didn’t become available until just last week.
What worries me more are these bubbling rumors that the “coaching environment” and Tosh’s issues with Tedford had something to do with it. If there’s some drama going on within the assistant ranks, then: 1) it doesn’t bode well for team unity come season-time, and 2) explains partially why Tosh would bail in the manner he did.
All I can say is this: Huck the Fuskies.
Sark, we’re coming for you.
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The worst part of it
is that he didn’t even tell his own players. He told Shaq he was leaving, but guys like Gabe King had to find out from Twitter.
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He told Shaq he was leaving, and oh yeah please come be a Husky now.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
The sad thing is it seems like Shaq is actually considering it. I know these are young kids but how could a kid even consider going with a coach who just left Cal like a thief in the night.
by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Concerning the fact that he gave Shaq advanced warning and then tried to recruit him while still on the payroll of Cal, is such a thing legal? Assuming it is legal, is such a thing permitted by the NCAA?
by Bears916 on Jan 17, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He didn't "actively" recruit Shaq
until after he signed the contract…he just told him that “he was thinking about it”
Scummy but probably not illegal.
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this is why everybody is so pissed off, including me. Take that money Tosh, I probably would too, but don’t screw over your current employer while doing it—especially the one that gave you your start.
Yes. That's the part that too me from "sorry to see you
go, Tosh" to “Fuck you, Tosh.”
Nobody can blame him for pursuing a more lucrative opportunity, but he didn’t have to try and burn the program down on his way out.
That’s just a bit of an exaggeration in that to date, I haven’t heard him say anything negative about our program or Tedford for that matter.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Well, at least at his new position with the Whoreshington Whoreskies (I’m trying that one out, what do you think) he’ll be able to instill the virtues of loya- er, commitm-, er, being part of a tea-, er…. Well, at least he’ll be able to talk capably about the principle of DOLLA DOLLA BILL Y’ALL
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t see you as the type of person who finds slightly changing the name of rival teams for insulting purposes all that amusing.
But perhaps I don’t know you.
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Eh, it’s only somewhat amusing :)
I wouldn’t use it on a permanent basis, because that would get old in a hurry, but it’s fun to trot out a new diss every now and again.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
haha good point. It’s a bit of a tongue-twister to say as well.
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Do you need a hug?
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Assuming this is about the money (and boat?)
I don’t see this as a particularly big deal in the long run. With the new facilities in place, recruiting will be fine, and I actually take some pride that my alma mater isn’t selling out as completely as many of its peers across the country. If it’s a loser’s attitude to wince at the super-inflation now infecting college football, then so be it. Wins are nice, but Cal football Saturdays have always been more about the tradition, the band, the camaraderie with fellow Blues old and young, and the diversion from real life. Winning is only everything in professional sport.
My sadness at this news today has less to do with what it means for the future of Cal and more for the future of college football in general. While college football has pushed the limits of the spirit of amateurism since the late 1800s, I’m beginning to think, like Dave Zirin, that those limits finally have been breached beyond any sort of justification:
The money has metastasized dramatically and as Emerson said, "Money often costs too much." Athletic departments have now become a moral dead-zone. For winning college football programs, the amount of cash flowing in the system is staggering. For mediocre and losing college football programs, the sport is bankrupting athletic departments, but they spend more with the hope that a winning team will cover all losses. Our schools are being sold on margin right under our noses and I’m done with it. Until the criminal cartel that is the NCAA is finally made a relic of history; until the rancid BCS system is no more; until coaches are no longer the highest paid and most powerful people on campus; until the NFL funds it’s own damn minor league and stops outsourcing this task to our universities; until all of these things happen, I’m done and I hope I’m not alone. Unless we boycott sham amateurism and indentured servitude masquerading as sport, we will never reclaim sports.
I’m not ready yet, myself, to boycott Cal football, but I’ve already started boycotting the rest of the sport. Not so much as a political statement as just a reflection of my dwindling interest. I just don’t care anymore.
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by California Pete on Jan 17, 2012 7:31 AM PST reply actions
I don't get this
Football makes a lot more money than it spends. A lot more.
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One short answer: universities are not business enterprises governed primarily by a bottom line, and individual programs, especially within the athletics, are not profit centers. It deeply, deeply saddens me that society has crept so far away from this distinction. (And I would add that this is not solely an issue for Athletics, but also pertains to other areas of the modern university, such as the business and medical schools.)
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by California Pete on Jan 17, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Disagree
a university is a business. The students and alumni are its product. You put in different parts and cogs in there depending on the machine/business you wan to run.
But a university is a business.
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I disagree. a private school is a business. A public school is a public service, supported by the public and serving the public. It is an essential piece of democracy, since in order for a republic to thrive, its governing power—the people—must be educated.
This is the difference between Stanfurd and Berkeley. Furd generates a product. Berkeley serves California. At least, this SHOULD be the difference, but prevailing trends in political discourse have made things less clear.
by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Even private schools are definitively NOT businesses, with the obvious exception of the University of Phoenix and other for-profit outfits. Stanf’rd, Harvard, et al. have endowments, not investors. This is a hugely significant difference.
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by California Pete on Jan 17, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Being a non-profit doesn’t make it not a business.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yes it does. If not organized for the primary purpose of making a profit, then how else do you define “business”?
To answer my own question, I suppose one might define “business” as any organization engaged in purposeful economic production and exchange, and there are no shortage of models for how such an organization could be set up. (My personal favorite would be Trappist monks paying their own way by making and selling beer and cheese.) But the crucial distinction, it seems to me, is whether or not your primary goal is to earn profits that ultimately go to the owners of the company. What is the mission of a “business”? I think most would answer, to make money. Period.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Jan 17, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Well Wikipedia disagrees with you so you must be wrong!
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
So it's bad to win, and if you're making money winning it's even worse?
Tell the whole damn world this is broke loser territory?
It’s not bad to win, and it’s not bad for a non-profit institution to develop its revenue sources to fund its operations. But unlike a business enterprise, the goal of a non-profit is not defined by its bottom line. Instead, the bottom line must always take a back seat to the core mission of the institution.
The arms race in college football long ago grew to perverse levels, but I celebrate the fact that my alma mater balked at the prospect of paying a junior-level assistant coach far more money than the overwhelming majority of the faculty. Even if it could be demonstrated that such compensation would have a positive net effect on the university’s finances—that the work done by said coach indirectly leads to an increase in revenue gain that accounts for his inflated salary—it is just too far astray of the institution’s core mission for me to stomach.
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by California Pete on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hide your grad assistants, hide your coaches, Sark is hiring everybody!
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Sark has offered me $500,000.00 to stay with CGB!
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wait. . . just so I'm clear. . .
we’re not going with him? He didn’t call you guys last night? I half expected this to be called California Golden Dawg Pound by this morning.
I just don’t know what to do. I’m on the fence with all of this. I mean, I’ve been a Cal fan for a long time, but was it the school or the tremendous gravitational pull of Tosh’s planetary charm?
seriously though, I hope we get Tosh back if Pendergast ever decides to leave. But it does feel like bridges burned, doesn’t it?
by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 7:43 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Not only burned but bombed and with a troll living under the bridge.
Perhaps Tosh comes back one day but I doubt it happens while Tedford is still HC.
by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 7:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
And I hope we don't.
Long run, and I’ve been a Cal fan since 1980, is that Lupoi is the flavor of the moment. Eventually, he’ll become an old coach, and some other young kid will have the recruiting appeal that he currently brings to a program.
Especially when you consider that places like Bear Territory.net are still harping over the Oregon controversy last year as the reason Lupoi left, then you have to think that at some point this would blow up in our faces. And apparently, if that was one of the causes, then Lupoi was going to do this at the worst time regardless. But, there’s opportunity to be had right now, and Cal needs to go grab it.
The Zach Follett tweets indicate, for instance, that this might be a direction that the school seriously needs to look at now, even if he’s not ready to immediately work at the same level as Lupoi, but in terms of his long term development as someone who might want to coach. And I’m sure that there are more former players for whom this same idea might apply, and who would welcome the chance to work at Cal.
I feel better about this than I did last night. Still, if we can move to bring in a Zach Follett, or a Hardy Nickerson, then it would position the program nicely going forward. Either way, Cal has got to make a commitment to Ron Gould right now, and should make sure that they don’t lose him, FWIW.
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by Auricursine on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
At the moment, the only thing that To$h could possibly get me to flip is the bird.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
The only way I'd want Tosh back
is in a body bag.
Not really, but I wouldn’t want him as a coach here.
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone have updates on the rumor that Kiesau is gone to UW to coach their WRs?
I’ve been seeing this pop up a lot in the past 12 hours. I hope to God not.. .but… yea…
Where’d you see that.
I’d consider that DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 2.0
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
Here is what I’m seeing on twitter, hopefully it’s just a baseless rumor. I guess we can wait and see.
MM Sports Consulting: Rumor has it that Eric Kiesau WR coach at Cal Bears has been hired to coach WR’s at University of Washington. pic.twitter.com/RU00i2Iy
9 hours ago
avinashkunnath: @MmSprtsConsultn Where are you hearing this about Kiesau.
MmSprtsConsultn MM Sports Consulting: @avinashkunnath I cannot out my sources but look for it to be announced as early as tomorrow morning.
Maybe Sark couldn’t fit both Tosh and Coach K’s luggage on the plane yesterday and are coming back for him tomorrow.
That would be crazy if this turns out to be true and UW has shown that they are willing to throw money at coaches and thy could easily pay Coach K more than Cal currently is.
by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 8:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ultimately, if they are willing to throw a half mill towards any assistant football coach…
I definitely lean on the football side of the athletics-academics argument, seeing as how football brings in so much more money than it takes. But, there comes a point where you are really selling your soul. I guess that’s ok for a place like UW, but for the University of California… if we lose because we get outspent to that degree, so be it.
TROLL ON YOU BEARS. - atoms
I agree. I’m just saying that if UW is willing to spend up to half a million on an assistant coach than no rumor can be considered baseless.
by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
baseless rumor.
Someone’s trying to get the WR corps to decommit.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think a lot of people thought the Tosh rumors were baseless as well
The truth is, UW seems to have deep pockets and are willing to spend what it takes to get the coaches they want. UW has an openning at WR coach and it seems like they can pay K more than Cal probably can.
Also UW Dawg Pound seem to think its a possibility as they are posting about it.
by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 9:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
if true, then DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
"Our sturdy golden troll"
-cldpc
by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Why would I wish Tosh good luck in Seattle? He is getting paid to beat anyone who is not mutt football.
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by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 17, 2012 9:21 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
there's an alex mack in this recruiting class
and none of us know who he is yet. i feel like all of this handwringing over recruiting classes and the whims of specific recruits is an expansion of fanhood that is a bridge too far for me. kendricks was a three star on both scout and rivals. how many five-stars did he beat out to win the pac defensive player of the year? alualu was also a three-star recruit. mike mohamed—like mack—only two-star. a football team isn’t just a machine into which you feed a certain amount of stars and get a corresponding number of wins. look at miami and florida st.
18 year olds are fickle and capricious. pinning your hopes to them seems like feeling optimistic at a blackjack table because you’ve got an ok hand and the dealer’s showing a six. things are looking good and success seems so close but really there are so many ways that it can go wrong.
also as far as all of the doooooom goes i find that cal fans overstate the ravages of being a cal fan. there are very few programs in the country for whose fans life is any easier. with sports—chaos and disappointment are the rules and not the exception. do you think it’s any easier to be root for purdue or michigan state or arizona state or washington state or notre dame or boston college or rutgers? even the more illustrious programs offer their own disappointments. wisconsin: two years. two rose bowls. two heartbreakingly close rose bowl losses. oklahoma? we were haunted by riley’s 2007 goal line dash. but do you think usc fans were any less haunted by reggie bush’s rose bowl lateral vs. texas? or texas any less by mccoy getting hurt in the first quarter vs. bama or okst fans any less heartbroken to be left out the ncg than we were to be left out of the rose bowl in 2004? anyways. the tedford era hasn’t been without its doom but not significantly more than any others and a great deal less than most.
by aztectomb on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Shiiit-fire, I hope you are right. Good assistants leave programs all the time, and it shouldn’t affect us – except that every supernatural power and/or all-knowing creator, chief god, or everlasting spirit ever invented hates us and wants us to eat our own dog poop. That’s why we need every good coach we can get.
And $500K in Washington equals, like, well, I’m not sure, but it has to be at least 600K here.Ask an economist.
Actually, according to
a cost of living comparison website, it’s $687K.
Yeah, but WA has no income taxes, right? So that’s another 10% or so, isn’t it?
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
a football team isn’t just a machine into which you feed a certain amount of stars and get a corresponding number of wins. look at miami and florida st.
Agreed. Stars do correlate with success, though, so keep that in mind. It is good to have more stars. Personally, what I like most is seeing the staff land guys they really want – their first choices, and win recruiting battles to get them. When Coach M sounds ecstatic to get Steven Moore, I see that as a good sign. I don’t care that Moore is a 3* – if the coaching staff really wants him, that’s enough for me. It’s when the coaching staff starts losing recruiting battles and settling for Plan C guys that I get concerned.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Even with stars
I find them totally misleading. I think it’s much more important to look at 1) whether you are recruiting outside your backyard and 2) who your competition is.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Well, like I said, there is a pretty strong correlation between stars and success, so they’re not totally misleading. I don’t think criteria 1 is necessarily a good one – some teams can be successful without having to leave their backyard at all. Really depends on where your backyard is. If you’re Texas, you don’t ever need to recruit anyone outside of Texas. California also has enough talent that if a team really controls their backyard, they don’t need to look elsewhere. Agree on the competition part mostly, but again, that really goes back to the stars things – the recruiting sites add/subtract stars based on who’s recruiting a kid, so it is factored into stars in some amount.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
But they're not.
I find people don’t really understand stars and take them assurances. Stars don’t really mean these kids are going to pan out, having a 5 star recruit means he has the physical attributes necessary to succeed at the college — and potentially NFL — level. This guy is an athletic freak of nature that nobody can compete with in high school. If you get this 5 star, he should be an immediate impact just through pure size and speed, and with some coaching, he may develop into a true star. But he might not, there might be character issues. He might not just have the mental capacity or strength to really stick it through. Who knows? Nothing’s guaranteed. But these 5 stars have that extra potential. As you go down stars, you lose that. “This guy’s not really built for college yet, but with a couple of years in a college weight room, he may be great in his senior year!”
More stars means they have the higher potential to be ready earlier, meaning you have more time to work on them and make sure they pan out. I’m sure there have been plenty of 5 star busts, but I’m also sure that when you look at it in terms of proportions, more 3 stars have busted and just graduated with a degree before they started a game.
I congratulate Tosh for getting paid.
We’d all want to receive such a raise, no? Seriously, that is a big bird in the hand he had to take.
Instead, I blame Tedford for not managing his staff, his recruiting process better such that not only would Tosh leave but that now some recruits are reconsidering things or won’t end up coming.
Management of such issues rise to the senior executive, Tedford.
Unless he can fix this quickly, it’s egg in his face, in my opinion.
Stuff like this (and the Keisau rumor above) is what makes a head coach lose his job – not whether we completed on 3rd and 10 with a run when everyone thought we should pass.
Big test for Tedford, in my opinion. We haven’t heard a word from him yet. He’s working hard at damage control. Let’s see if he can come up with anything at all.
From "Zorba the Greek."
“I felt once more how simple a thing is happiness: a glass of wine, a roast chestnut, a wretched little brazier, the sound of the sea. Nothing else. And all that is required to feel that here and now is happiness is a simple, frugal heart. ..”
by manus on Jan 17, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
We offered him 300k
Which would make him (atleast in public ones) the highest paid DL coach in the pac-12
That’s not 3 times, that’s not even double his salary.
Don't Tread on Me.
by THESeymoreBear on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
$500K has made him the highest paid DL coach in the pac-12
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Eric Kiesau to the mutts? joins To$sh
http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2012/01/17/football-is-kiesau-next-to-uw/
Ursus arctos californicus – California golden bear
by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 17, 2012 10:07 AM PST reply actions
bye bye
receivers.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Everyone off the phailboat!

"Our sturdy golden troll"
-cldpc
by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
The cruise ship that ran aground this weekend off the coast of Italy.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
The S.S. California Golden Bears
Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.
by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Damn! I’m on the T-I-T-A-N-I-C
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Shuffle the mods!!!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Every day I'm shufflin'
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t worry, it’s unsinkable.
Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.
by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
...

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
I… I can’t even speak. Please let this be baseless.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
This has been talked about but it seems to be picking up steam
If he goes I could see the WR class really fall apart.
by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
This just in: the next logical step for UW in poaching Cal people!
UW has offered $600k to YOUR firstborn child to become an assistant on its football staff. The still unborn, not yet conceived child could not be reached for comment. Coach Sarkisian went on record saying, “I just really feel like this is an upgrade we needed for our staff. This child will be great in teaching the fundamentals of crawling and cooing. It’s going to be an investment that will reap untold dividends.”
Yeah...Silver is pretty convinced that Tedford threw Tosh under the bus for the Oregon thing
It just does not make sense to me logically but hey I have little or no real information.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
if that’s true, it’s a big deal. I didn’t mind the strategy—it was borderline cheating but it was legitimate—but if Tedford had given the okay for it and then backed up and disavowed it, that would signal a bigtime character flaw.
Or is what it that Tosh didn’t have to be outed like he was—no one HAD to be suspended, but Tosh was still ultimately responsible. Which to me is a much less egregious case of “throwing under bus.” More of like, you were standing in front of the bus and no one threw themselves in front of it to save you.
by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
That’s why it makes absolutely no sense to me. Tedford has played Oregon like a million times since he has been at Cal, never such a tactic. Especially not in a season where the team was awful.
As for no. 2, Tosh is an adult, if he did something wrong and should pay the penalty for it. What lesson would it teach the players if Tosh got away.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Lovely.
@adamgorney: Four-star #Cal commit Jordan Payton just told me #UCLA, #Washington and now #Michigan are back involved in his recruitment.
Meh
sharks sensing blood.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
yeah, just blood. nothing to worry about.
wait. wait! It’s OUR blood! Get back on the phailboat!
by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Check out Zach Follett's twitter
http://twitter.com/#!/ZakarianFollett
It’s blowing up with people telling him to come coach at Cal. And he seems to be on board! ALL ABOARD THE PAIN TRAIN!
hire zach follett and geoff mcarthur!
Geoff has been coaching since he graduated… Zach can start as a GA.
by gobears157 on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm sorry,
but a day later things haven’t settled for me. Let’s not put lipstick on a pig. This is a totally devestating turn of events. You know what has to go? Not Tosh, but Tedfraud’s ego!
Suck on dese nuts TexAss!!!
What possible basis do you have to support this claim?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
To$h is already gone.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Greg Biggins @GregBiggins
Hearing it’s a done deal, Eric Kiesau will be new WR coach at #Washington, another big hire
FUCKING GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
no bear, no care
Huskies rising quickly on my hate list. Actually, screw every other team in the conference. All of them.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Right now the Huskies are #3 on my hate list after the Furd and U$C. Texas has been knocked to 4th.
by Maxdarkfire on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
THEY’RE #1 RIGHT NOW.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
when the official news release comes out that kiesau is gone and that Shaq and Payton are gone to U Dumb then they will 100% be the most hated… for now… I hope at least one of the three doesn’t happen, but I don’t have much hope.
by Maxdarkfire on Jan 17, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Did they not enjoy their rivalry with Oregon? Why not decimate THAT program in a weekend?
by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
It’s all of us against all of them!
Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.
by CalBandGreat on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
You've got to be kidding me
Tedfraud, you’re sucking the life out of me. Come on buddy, get your head out of your ars!
Suck on dese nuts TexAss!!!
by bearblueballz on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I'm numb.....
It’s always been hard to be a Cal fan; the future is always bright but the present rarely matches my optimism. Now? The future is looking dimmer.
I don’t blame Tosh for taking such a well-paying job. I wish he stayed at Cal, but I get it. My big concern right now is for losing these guys that made our future look so bright, starting with Shaq. He’s ready to play RIGHT NOW and would have an immediate impact. I think it’s sucky for Tosh to pursue him now at UW, but this is a big boy sport and I guess that’s how it goes.
I hope Zach Kline can work some magic and keep our interested guys in the pipeline. There’s nothing I can do about it, and I’m numb right now.
I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.
This is interesting. AA still lists Cal as one of his "tops".
@juanonjuan10 @arikarmstead whats ya tops right now?
@arikarmstead @juanonjuan10 cal oregon notre dame auburn
Who knows what it means, but there you have it.
i think he’s just playing the game.
but that tiny part of me is hoping he’s waiting to see who the replacement is.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Why would he need to play the game?
It’s not like he is going to get more money.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Getting kicked in the nuts twice in a row really sucks. Its open season on Cal football with To$h leading the way. We need to ask ourselves now, who is next? Oski?
Ursus arctos californicus – California golden bear
by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 17, 2012 11:05 AM PST reply actions
So K and Tosh are gone, how does this reflect on Tedford and Cal?
Talk about falling asleep at the wheel. How do you let one conference rival come in and grab two of your best coaches?
by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 11:05 AM PST via mobile reply actions
PRINT FAKE MONEY, HAND OUT CAL STOCK OPTIONS
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
This hurts. I thought the TV money would even the playing field a little bit, but I guess not. Not a very good sign at all when an organization can’t keep good young talent around—makes me very uneasy about things.
Remember when the Diamondbacks spent a bunch of money they didn’t have and won and then they were like bankrupt and they sucked? We think that is what is going on here.
WE ARE THE 0%
I don’t think the Huskies are in danger of going bankrupt. An MLB payroll can easily be upwards of $100M. This is a few hundred g’s for a team that rakes in $35M a year.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I’m just saying that even if the hires don’t work out (and I see no reason why they wouldn’t), it’s not going to do any long-term damage to the program to somewhat overpay a couple of coaches.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Bad Dominoes
I have family that are UW folks, so this is killing me, constant text msg, etc.
Just to shut them up for a moment, I told them that I heard Sark signed Oski for a ten year deal at $1 million per year, and all the Pacific Salmon they catch on Tosh’s boat.
Prior to recent events, I thought of Tosh as a great recruiter and up and coming coach that bled blue and gold. Now, I will remember him as the coach of the unit that gave up a game-winning 4th and Goal touchdown to UW to close Memorial.
I will think of him as the guy who left us high and dry for half a mil.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Still no word from Cal side
maybe this isnt official yet. Maybe UCLA just ran a rumor to confuse our recruits!
and that Tosh is still the great ole Tosh
We can do nothing but be patient
Have to see who we get to replace Tosh and now possibly Kiesau. Horrible timing, but we get what we get. Cannot pay the same scale as the other programs, so I suspect we rely a whole bunch on the prestige of Cal and what it can do for you later in life.
The 5-star kids are looking at a pro career – at least that is what they are projecting – so a degree will likely have less priority and a fantastic place like Cal will have less upside. We will consistently get the 3-star and 4-star kids that have high expectations from the school they attend, not just the football program. We just have to coach them up. But realistically, it is nearly impossible to compete and we are irrational to think that we can consistently do so.
I am wondering if we will start hearing about a rift between the top level coaches at Cal (Tedford and the coordinators) and the lower level coaches and assistants – there has got to be more behind these moves than money. I mean really, can Sarkisian and UW be that good a destination? I don’t see it. They may be poaching our coaches, but they are not much less of a stepping stone than us.
Anyway, I’m behind the Bears 100%. The trials of being a Cal fan.
Middle-aged toothwrangler (HT: Kodiak)
by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM PST reply actions
I hope we can use this occasion to snag a hot young coach from some other program.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
How when we can't even seem to pay our own hot young coaches?
I thought the TV money would help us out as far as matching salaries but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
by SDBear on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It’s all going towards our enormous debt. we have a lot of sports, operating costs, and construction.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
I feel awfu. My stomach just dropped.
I needed something to make me believe that even when it seems all is lost and there is no way out, those that don’t give up, find a way to win.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHsvdSPgzdg
The bear will not quit, the bear will not die.
Ursus arctos californicus – California golden bear
by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM PST reply actions
What other coach do we have that the Huskies would hire?
Aside from Lupoi and Kiesau? This is getting really ridiculous…
I don't want to say it because then it will happen
Ron Gould.
by Maxdarkfire on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
i will make a murderous trip to the local pound.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
They hired Coach M in '09
Blasquez, Gould, Rope Coach,
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach
California Golden Blogs
by Berkelium97 on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
From an objective standpoint this is an interesting gambit on Washington's part.
It’s a classic dream-team scenario with the caveat that Washington is paying way the fuck over market rate. If it fails it will fail spectacularly.
/prays to COTG for a Philadelphia Eagles special.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
It's not what happens folks
…it’s how we take it…we need to let the players know that..they will get through this just fine but they need some calm leadership to allow that to happen…hope we have it.
"It's on the ROOF, oh yeah, one hundred PROOF, oh yeah....."
by TKE Prytanis 79 on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM PST reply actions
why can’t anything nice ever happen to Cal football?
by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Fri., Nov. 2 vs. Washington * Berkeley, Calif. (Memorial Stadium)
I hope this game has an EXTREMELY hostile crowd.
reports indicate that UW has offered the hostile crowd an “offer it couldn’t refuse” and that the hostile crowd accepted and has relocated to a yacht off Puget’s sound. Rumors say that the hostile crowd was enticed by the money, but also upset with Tedford because, well, its hostile.
by slaphancock on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
We need to start thinking up some chants now
So we can get the mic men on board to lead the student section
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Tosh and Eric,
This Ass-kicking is just for you!!
Never said it had to rhyme.
Jorge Gutierrez is "The guy with the hair plays with the flair"
Our "Eating the Enemy"
could be Eggs Benedict (AKA Eggs a la Tosh)
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 17, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
YES!
I find the three major administrative problems on a campus are sex for the students, athletics for the alumni, and parking for the faculty. -- Clark Kerr

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