Tosh Lupoi Gone: Cal Football Recruiting Impacted With Arik Armstead & Ellis McCarthy Moving On
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 4:38 PM PST
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PrintWe'll have more on Tosh's departure soon and what it means for the program, but first what you probably all care about the most in the short-term. Recruiting. What does this mean for our class?
Hopefully, it doesn't mean total disaster. Unlike last year's class, which was heavily defensive-oriented, the class was mainly focused on putting offensive guys on the field, particularly at QB, WR, and O-line. These guys won't really be coached by Tosh, and there are capable coaches on the offensive side of the ball that should be able to make those verbals stick. While there are still a couple of needs (particularly at tight end), I'd say we retain at least 80% of our class, if not more.
Unfortunately, there are some big defensive line recruits that Cal is looking at and a few other big targets that really liked what Tosh had to bring to the table. And right now we have no coach or main recruiting coordinator on the defensive end of the football. This will be a stomach-churning two weeks.
Arik Armstead was supposed to make his decision today, and Cal could still be in the mix, but Tosh was a big part of that decision, and he'll now need time to think.
Just talked to Guss Armstead,father of Armond,Arik...Tosh Lopoi & Tedford visited Arik at Elk Grove home last night,together.Stunned at news
— Joe Davidson (@sb_joedavidson) January 16, 2012
Tosh Lopoi called Guss Armstead today to tell him he is taking Washington job;Huskies never on Arik radar before - and still not.
— Joe Davidson (@sb_joedavidson) January 16, 2012
Final word from Guss Armstead: "We'll meet late 2nite as a family,talk,pray,decide soon." Loss of Tosh hurt?Absolutely,but Cal not out it
— Joe Davidson (@sb_joedavidson) January 16, 2012
UPDATE: Arik has eliminated Cal.
Armond Armstead just told me he plans to announce his college decision tomorrow and that his brother Arik will not attend Cal. #ND #Auburn
— Whitney Blaine (@whitneykblaine) January 17, 2012
Finally, Armond Armstead said that the departure of Cal's Tosh Lupoi to Washington was a difference maker for Arik. The two were close.
— Whitney Blaine (@whitneykblaine) January 17, 2012
Ellis McCarthy is currently committed to the Bears, but USC and UCLA are still factoring in and are both likely to see visits soon. For what it's worth, McCarthy's dad had this to say.
Ellis McCarthy's father told me last week that his son did not commit to #Cal because of a single coach. #Ninjas
— Gerard Martinez (@gmartlive) January 16, 2012
This will be a battle to the end.
UPDATE: McCarthy has flipped to UCLA.
Bruins just received the commitment from five-star phenom DT, Ellis McCarthy from Monrovia, Calif.
— Rick Kimbrel (@BruinBlitzcom) January 17, 2012
After the jump, more recruiting reaction.
Aziz Shittu is probably wide open. Shittu just got accepted into the Cardinal last week.
WOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! The Game Just Changed
— Aziz Shittu(@AzizShittu) January 16, 2012
I thought there was a good chance we'd get all three of these guys a week ago. Now I'd be happy to get one.
And yes, Shaq.
Just got off the phone with 5-star S Shaq Thompson, who says he is now torn,"I am 50-50 between #Cal and #Washington." Full story soon.
— Tara Turnure(@TaraFOXSports) January 16, 2012
Most everyone else is sticking with the Bears.
Bryce Treggs:
Tosh leaving has no affect on my recruitment. I'm still solid with Cal. #calgang
— Bryce Treggs (@BryceTreggs) January 16, 2012
No disrespect to Coach Lupoi though. He was a great coach and a even better person.
— Bryce Treggs (@BryceTreggs) January 16, 2012
Chris Harper
Coach Lupoi leaving doesn't alter my decision at all I'm 100% #Calgang.
— Christopher Harper (@ItsChrisHarper) January 16, 2012
Michael Barton
Just talked to Cal commit Michael Barton. He says, "I'm still 100 percent Cal."
— Ben Enos (@Ben_Enos) January 16, 2012
He added "At the end of the day, I've just got to do what's best for me and I didn't see myself anywhere else."
— Ben Enos (@Ben_Enos) January 16, 2012
Steven Moore
Rule #1: Cant pick a school just on coaching, have to love the school. Coaches are always moving around.
— Steven moore (@stevenmoore73) January 16, 2012
Hardy Nickerson
Nothing will make me change my mind I committed to cal not to a person so it's #calgangfor life
— Hardy Nickerson (@HardyNickerson) January 16, 2012
Darius Powe
Four-star WR and #Cal commit Darius Powe said there is "no change" in his recruitment with Tosh Lupoi leaving for #Washington.
— Adam Gorney (@adamgorney) January 16, 2012
Freddie Tagaloa
Just talked to #Salesian coach Chad Nightingale, who said he just talked to Freddie Tagaloa, and that Tagaloa "is still solidly with Cal."
— Phil Jensen (@JensenPhil) January 16, 2012
Matt Cochran
Feel like we just got slightly played, makes you wanna reevaluate if you chose a school for the school or the program
— Matthew Cochran (@MattCoch) January 16, 2012
Jordan Payton
Four-star #Cal commit Jordan Payton had no comment on Lupoi leaving but said he will take a "serious look into other schools."
— Adam Gorney (@adamgorney) January 16, 2012
Cedric Dozier
Just talked to Lakes coach Dave Miller who said it "wouldn't surprise'' him if Cedric Dozier now opens things up with Lupoi now at UW. ...
— Bob Condotta (@bcondotta) January 17, 2012
"I know him and Cedric are real, real tight,'' Miller said of Lupoi and Dozier. He said it won't hurt with recruitment of Banner, either, ..
— Bob Condotta (@bcondotta) January 17, 2012
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impressive work with the tweets, avi baby.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Old Blues: Does this suck more or less than Bruce Snyder leaving?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Much, MUCH less.
Not even in the same universe. I know I’ve always assumed Tosh would leave some day for a better position. When your seemingly happy and successful (and locked up) head coach leaves just because your AD is a dick, it is devastating.
Tosh never had to leave for a better position…he should have been promoted to match his market value.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
In a way, the University/football program let Snyder and Tosh down in a similarly. Snyder had a couple of nice seasons, but was he really Bear Bryant?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Carp, did anyone say that? He was a very good Head coach, and he wanted to stay, almost 180 degrees different.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I don’t think Tosh wanted to leave. I think he left because of crampgate blame, no chance for substantial advancement, and Tedford’s future at Cal looking…bleak.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
And $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Seriously, if he is pissed about crampgate, he needs to man up and own his own actions. And if Pendergast lasts longer than Wilcox I’ll be very surprised.
So? Still 180 degrees different; line coach vs head coach, wanted to stay, but wasn’t offered a contract vs outbid by another school – and we don’t know that Tosh did want to spread his wings somewhere else.
Not seeing a lot of regret on his side (not that he has to, it’s just a business) but that doesn’t fit with your narrative.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I wouldn’t worry too much about carp’s argument. I love carp, but we’ve seen that he’ll accept scuttlebutt that doesn’t reflect well upon Tedford without considering the other side.
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crampgate blame
No one even cares about that anymore. At all.
Tedford’s future at Cal looking…bleak.
No way – Tedford’s playing out his contract, which still has a few years yet.
no chance for substantial advancement
…maybe? But he’s not being given a shot at a coordinator spot at UW – all he has is more money and a glorified title. But there’s the possibility that he’s being given more responsibility (maybe he’s not the coordinator, but he’s designing run defenses?), so i guess there might be something there.
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How was there no chance for advancement? I think many people looked at him as the eventual successor to both Clancy and Tedford. With the defensive players they were bringing in, we would have had a top-tier defense, and Pendergast could have gone on to bigger and better things within a few years, maybe back to the NFL. Tosh would have been a natural choice at d-coordinator then. Now he’s moving to a program that has a hotshot young defensive coordinator in front of him.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
so
Ultimately, this looks to be all about the money. Way to go, To$h.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
On the other hand, that “hotshot young defensive coordinator in front of him” is someone he has a strong relationship with, has been called Tosh’s mentor by some internet message board posters (I don’t know if that’s really an accurate description of their relationship), and who knows, might be on his way to a head coaching job himself that he could bring Tosh with him for (Tosh becoming DC, of course)….
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just pointing out that his situation at UW is not obviously better than the one at Cal.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, but I also don’t think we can definitively say it’s not better than the Cal situation, either. None of us know Tosh personally or anything…he really might want to work with Wilcox that much again, or maybe he really is bitter about the whole Oregon suspension stuff or something. No idea, but it’s definitely a possibility.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
That is very bad business.
He should have a position that is appropriate for his skills. The fact that he has the same position at UW that he had at Cal seems to say we had him in the right place, but that they have a LOT more money to pay assistant coaches than we do.
Maybe Tosh is a part of the TEA Party and this is his way of protesting California taxes.
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, they gave him additional titles. It might really be that he’ll have more responsibility at UW than Cal was offering….
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention
the added responsibility of naming a boat. Thtat is such a huge undertaking. I remember when my sister-in-law and her husband bought a boat, they couldn’t think of a name and held a contest among family and friends. In the end, they picked a name that they already had in their pocket and nobody won.
"Fuck DOOOOOM. We prefer BOOOOOM!!
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The circumstances under which Snyder left were much worse. But as far as the value we lost, IMO this is worse -based on the scarcity of the resource we’re losing- and it isn’t even close. Coaches with the talent of Bruce Snyder are not that hard to find. Recruiters with the ability of Tosh Lupoi are exceedingly rare.
Coaches with the talent of Bruce Snyder are not that hard to find.
Hahahahahahahaha. Come on now.
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Considering how much Cal wandered in the wilderness after Snyder left, I’m not ready to buy that particular argument.
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I’m not sure the awful decision to hire Holmoe is good support for Snyder being particularly special.
Look, I enjoyed the Snyder years and thought he was a good, but not great, coach. We shouldn’t have let him go. But if you look at his career he was a .550 coach who had three 9+ win season in 20+ years. That doesn’t signal to me that he had overwhelmingly rare talent.
OTOH, I’m not a recruiting historian, but Tosh appears to have had an impact on recruiting that was unprecedented in school history. The number of recruits that cited him as a factor for their commitments was startling. Where do you go to find a guy to replace that?
I’d start looking in our ranks of young alumni of the program who are charismatic and enthusiastic about Cal. Tosh might owe some of his success as a recruiter BECAUSE he was so young and able to connect with the high-school kids.
Now that he’s old, he is of no use to us. Bring in the new guys!
Sigh – I know you only form the basketball posts (where you are an intelligent poster), but you’re missing something of the big picture here. No, Snyder wasn’t a “great” coach in the greatest of all time variety, but he was very good – and this is important – he was willing to coach for us. He took us to our first New Year’s day bowl in 30+ years and victory in much longer, that’s no small thing. Also he was a .550 coach on non-powerhouse programs in a tough conference. Not chump change.
In fact Snyder was our second best coach after only Tedford since Waldorf (50 years). This is just not about Holmoe. This opinion saddens me because it’s based on unrealistic assumptions on what level of coaches will come and coach at Cal. You don’t let the good ones leave without a fight.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I guess I'm in the minority here
But I haven’t really changed my mind. We agree he was good, and we agree that it was a mistake to let him get away. We agree that in Cal history in our lifetimes he’s in the upper echelon of coaches.
I’m just not convinced that makes him a rare talent. I think the bigger picture has a lot more to do with the overall community’s commitment to football, and to decision-making in the hiring process. Just because the tradition we’re used to is one of apathy toward athletics and questionable hiring, doesn’t turn Bruce Snyder into a rare commodity. With the recent shift in culture and commitment to facilities, I feel quite comfortable that we could at this point attract equivalent talent to Snyder if a hiring committee were sufficiently shrewd and motivated.
I want to say again. I am not trying to demean Bruce Snyder. He was a good coach. I am not trying to demean his place in Cal history. I’m merely talking about scarcity of talent, and I’m still not seeing anything about his talent (and I watched pretty much every single football game of his tenure) that indicates he was a rare jewel. Just because Cal has hired poor coaches (perhaps in a culture that would not allow them to hire better), doesn’t turn good into great.
As far as Tosh and revisionist history (I realize I’m responding to several different posts, but it’s more efficient this way), I’m by no means a historian or expert, but I have been following closely long enough to state an informed opinion that Tosh’s impact was unique in my memory. If a single person has ever been so universally loved by recruits over a period of time, I’d love to hear the example. The conclusion that I draw from this is that he had a talent for relating to young men, and a force of personality that made them want to be around him. In my experience (in life, not just observing football)…people who naturally draw other people are hard to find.
So. Of course we f’d up by letting Snyder leave. And of course Cal football will be okay and will have good recruiting classes in the future. But if we’re talking about who’s more easily replaced, I haven’t heard anything that’s changing my mind.
I guess if you’re saying Tosh is an elite recruiter, and Snyder was not an elite coach, I can see that point. But I disagree as to the effect this will have on our program, I doubt losing Tosh will make us uncompetitive for a decade plus, as did losing Snyder.
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Agreed, and agreed.
Only thing I would add is that it wasn’t just the absence of Snyder that led to the crappy decade, it was the subsequent hiring decisions as well. That was a very different time and place, so I do not think recruiting will go into the toilet in the same way football in general went into the toilet when Snyder left.
he was willing to coach for us.
That’s great, but we’re past that now. We’re no longer an afterthought. Coaches should want to come to Cal now.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
I think the last few recruiting cycles have lead to some serious revisionism among Cal fans.
The last two recruiting classes and this one up until now were fantastic, but in many ways not unprecedented. Tosh’s run as recruiting generalissimo coincided with a great expansion of Cal’s recruiting reach, but we pulled great recruiting classes before Tosh (2005, for example) and with a little luck on the field will continue to pull great classes in the future.
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It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Jan 16, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
If they were not unprecedented, then what’s the precedent for three years like the last three (were shaping up to be before today)?
Huh?
That wording’s a bit confusing. Maybe some less precedents :P
But in case I answer your question, our recruiting seems to trend based on our team’s performance rather than the people recruiting. People want to go to Cal if they can win while doing so, we’ve seen this with some great recruiting classes earlier on. As soon as we started falling apart, the novelty value of going to Cal fell away and we had troubles recruiting, especially with the tree shitters. If we can ride the current wave, we may not need Tosh to continue recruiting like this as long as we can lay down the infrastructure.
At least, that’s what I think AERose meant. Our recruiting isn’t really a result of Tosh, but the result of a general trend with Cal recruiting that he happened to join during.
The statement was that the last three years were not unprecedented. So I’d like to know the years he’s talking about so we can compare.
I think he says 2005 in his comment.
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Okay, and we had good recruiting classes before that that amounted to the 2003-2005 years. While we didn’t have many 5 star recruits, we had solid recruiting classes to complement the whole finding Aaron Rodgers by sheer luck thing.
The average of the Rivals class ranking from 2003-2006 was top 20.
So the Tosh Years represent a material improvement, but not a quantum leap.
Also I’d like to note that this is a pretty silly argument overall. The idea of my post was that Cal fans should try to look at Tosh’s departure from a different perspective, if I somehow implied that Lupoi was anything less than a fucking stud it wasn’t my intention.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
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Right.
Me too, I’m obviously of the opinion that he did impact our recruiting. But I do agree with you that we’ve succeeded without him and can continue to do so. As much as I like to joke about DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM, I’m a pretty big sunshine pumper, which leads to my doom moments. When we had no idea who was going to turn our team around, Tedford brought back Coach M and found Clancy. I’m sure he was flying out today to talk to our next coach, knowing in advance that Tosh was going to leave.
We were possibly headed for a top 5 class in the nation. When has that EVER happened?
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
You're kidding, right?
Snyder is one of the only two really good Cal football coaches in my lifetime, and unless you’re about twice as old as I am, he’s one of the only two really good Cal football head coaches in your lifetime, too.
If head coaches that good were as easy to find as you think, we would not have had to suffer through the Gilbertson and Holmoe nightmares.
MJB
This is just stupid....
…..one or two more years of Snyder and we were in the Rose Bowl, almost guaranteed. Especially with the talent that was lined up to come to Cal. Snyder may not have been good at sustaining a program, but he sure knew how to build one. The fact he got ASU to the Rose Bowl just a few years later speaks to that.
Is this just a bad dream?
First GB loses to my least favorite NFL team and then this…
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
LOL, perhaps Tedford was mad at the in flight movie? Or they lost his other bag
that was full of money he was going to give Tosh to stay?
where they do that at?
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
DOOOOOOOOOOM!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 4:47 PM PST reply actions
This and the last megathread about Lupoi, is the main reason I feel like I should probably bury myself in Niners threads the rest of the week, you know, for optimism’s sake.
by stevvy89 on Jan 16, 2012 4:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Well... if AA was supposed to make his decision today, but
ten didn’t because this happened the speculation was true.
Cal was going to be his choice.
time for JT and Monty to seal the deal. Hell, maybe even have Sandy reassure his family that Jesus is on their side and they’ll hire the best DL coach money can buy*.
*within their budget.
Also, i’m less pumped about AA if he doesn’t play the gaping hole that is OT.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
That's true. Our real need was at O line.
Of course, it’s great to have these few superstud DL players added to the mix, but that’s not where this team has the most need. AA, McCarthy, Shittu? Pfft. Moala, Scarlett, King, Jalil, Barr. That’s what. The D-line recruits are the most likely losses. And while yes, their stars will causes to drop in the recruiting rankings, but again: Moala, Scarlett, King, Jalil, Barr. That’s what.
The big hit would be Shaq. If he hangs around plus all the offensive guys, we good.
McCarthy, to me, seems like a guy Cal never gets and only USC gets…the type of guy that takes over in big games. If I could pick one it would be him.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
we’ve gotten “the shaq’s” before (Keenan Allen, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson)…and I think we’ll get the shaq’s in the future. it’s the nuts n bolts guys that we’re missing on both sides of the line. The defense may be closer, but all the uber recruits haven’t shown us yet.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
This actually makes me feel better. If a guy already had his heart set on Cal then we have a good shot at making him realize that the program is still intact.
Disagree
With Arik, one of his biggest factors for choosing Cal could have been the ability to work with Lupoi.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe.
But he’s not being recruited by Washington. So that’s not an advantage anyone has.
If anything, it benefits ND.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe ND is “donating” money to UW.
Seriously though, with the UW defense against Baylor, I think Shaq would be the biggest recruiting coup hiring Tosh could bring them. Especially since he talked to him last night. Haven’t heard any other news of other recruits he talked to last night.
Jorge Gutierrez is "The guy with the hair plays with the flair"
But it might move Arik, McCarthy, and Shittu to commit to other schools.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
ruthless
to show up to a recruit’s house as “the loyal alum with local roots and we groomed him up and now he’s awesome” with the man who gave him a shot and then the next day say you’re leaving.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Last night AA's dad had Tosh and Tedford both look him in the eye
and ask to be trusted with his son’s future. He shook hands with both of them.
Then today Tosh did what he did, and Tedford… well, nobody knows what his communication with the family has been today but we can assume there must have been some. I’d assume that today Tedford was offering the same assurances he’s offered last night. Tosh may be off in Washington doing whatever he is doing, contradicting everything he was saying last night, but Tedford is going to be there for a while. And Cal is always going to be there.
I say the family sticks with Tedford on this one and AA sticks with his plan to start Cal tomorrow.
Sunshine. Get your sunshine here!
Well let's hope that is what Tedford is doing right now
Tedford has been really quiet so far, I know he is supposed to be on a plane. Let’s hope Tedford and his staff are on the phones reassuring everyone right now and are just too busy to make a statement.
If he’s still on a plane then he’s apparently going to China right in the midst of all this FIRE TEDFORD
WE ARE THE 0%
YES FIRE TEDFORD!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
YES TIRE FEDFORD!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Stephen Moore, and others, get it:
Rule #1: Cant pick a school just on coaching, have to love the school. Coaches are always moving around.
Nice to see a bunch of intelligent dudes poised to join the team. Hopefully those feeling a bit betrayed will sleep on it.
WE ARE THE 0%
by zoonews on Jan 16, 2012 4:53 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Well...
…they could always say that, and be like: “That said, we don’t really love Cal anymore. STANFURD BABAY!!”
Yes, and they also could all become astronauts and they could fly to the moon and play football on the moon with a football fashioned out of moon rocks.
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by zoonews on Jan 16, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
football played on the moon would be awesome.
“Go long! I mean really long! Like how much field do we have to work with here?”
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It was fantastic."
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Opinion
If we can somehow get one new recruit to committ, we can say our program is bigger than one person (which is true, but perception is key). If AA says yes, then I think Shaq will stick and we can keep strong, but we just need one positive hit in response to this. Thus far, no news at all. I think a good hire of some kind would be key to get back to work.
Triangle man for strength coach!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Triangle Man
Our weapon in recruiting, the man who has been a triangle man for thirty years and going. He’ll never leave.
Feb 1st can't come soon enough now
Obviously everyone is important but of the kids that are kind of one the fence or not sure after today, as long we keep Shaq, one of the two WRs, and one of the 3 DL it will be a success with all things considering.
Yeah I agree that this might be the best possible outcome now
Concentrate on keeping Shaq, one WR, and Ellis.
Come to Cal
and you will play in the NFL.
even if you don’t make it to the NFL, with a Cal degree, you can make 500K at age 29.
by JustBear on Jan 16, 2012 4:59 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
with a Cal degree, you can make 500K at age 29.
The vast, vast majority of students and alumni not named Tosh Lupoi disagree with you.
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One thing that also shouldn't be overlooked
Is that our last few recruiting classes have been very good, and we’ll start seeing more of those young guys already at Cal making an impact soon.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
udub had a nice run for a long time and now seems firmly headed in the right direction. They now have coaches with deep CA connections and all 4 CA programs are down.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
This is what worries me deeply
All the Pacific NW schools can’t compete with home talent so they poach CA recruits. Sure, not enough space for all of them at the 4 CA schools, but if Cal wants to be top-tier, we need to keep guys like Shaq in-house.
USC and Stanford are absolutely in a better spot than UW is right now, and I think it would be a stretch to say that either UW or Cal is significantly ahead of the other.
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
furd lost their awesome HC and now Luck. I love their offense, but I’m not sold on them yet as a consistent winner.
USC has yet to feel the sanctions yet. Perhaps 2012 USC isn’t down at all, but 2013 doesn’t look immediately wonderful.
Cal’s QB’s<<<UDub’s QB
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Their OLine
they may very well land the best Oline talent in the nation this recruiting cycle. They also have the people in place to coach them up.
And yet that advantage earned UW an 8 point home win and an identical overall record.
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
2 of the 4 CA programs finished the 2011 football season in the Top 10.
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I really hope so
I was hoping to see a few more kids from this class get more PT but that didn’t happen. Hopefully Forbes can finally stay healthy for a full season and winning one of the LB spots.
cal athletic dept should...
put a video collage of tosh’s beamings about cal…it’s out there. Show recruits that he’s just going up there for the $$$. Why would kids follow him up there if he said great things about Cal that’s recorded for all too see.
That, and loop a clip of tyrone willingham’s efforts over and over again.
negative recruiting
I hope we negative recruit the hell out of Washington, although I wouldn’t do it to other schools. Washington crossed the line.
Feels like?
I think it feels like that because they did. Now, with that said, maybe we made UW pay more than they originally planned. That would be a small victory. I’m still not sure he’s currently worth half a mil.
seriously. This was exactly that goal line TD push in the last minute. AGAIN.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
NCAA
I think in the future i think it would be appropriate if the NCAA had a rule against this type of situations.
You can leave at anytime YOU WANT but you have to wait at least 6-12 months to start recruiting for another team.
Just My opinion…
This was just crossing through my head
But credit to you for being first
with all this money going out to assistants at UW… it makes you wonder:
how much do they pay their rope coach? 250k? 300k?
Our rope coach is seriously underpaid. Although, Twist would have you believe otherwise.
"Fuck DOOOOOM. We prefer BOOOOOM!!
- alpha1906
He does things that aren’t in his job description. He most definitely needs a raise.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
I love this.
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what is this supposed to be? He’s an astronomer of some sort?
CGB: Wasting Your Potential, Your Time, & Your Life Since 2006.
LOL
No, he’s an Awesomenomer :)
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yet my initial question remains unanswered.
CGB: Wasting Your Potential, Your Time, & Your Life Since 2006.
We certainly shouldn’t fire him right now, although he did underperform this year. Give him a chance in New Memorial, where there will actually BE fans to pump up. Since he’s helped get our program to where it is right now, he at least deserves 2012.
Yes, we are still talking about Rope Coach here.
I’ve never been happier in my life. GIVE ROPE COACH A CHANCE!
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couple of insiders on BI are saying the situation is much deeper than the $ and title reasons that we’ve heard of so far. Much information is behind the scenes.
no bear, no care
In such an instance, doesn't it make sense to just leave at the end of the season?
Instead, Lupoi does this kabuki shit with hidden motives…
If nothing else, Tedford did give him his first real opportunity to coach. It floors me that this Oregon situation couldn’t resolve itself by a legitimate talk between the two men.
"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is
research."
The offer didn’t come until Wilcox became UW DC, which was about two weeks ago.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m sure Wilcox pushed for Lupoi.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
that it could have anything to do with crampgate makes little sense to me
he went through (almost) two full recruiting cycles with us after that happened.
The injury faking.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I would find it hard to believe as well.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
I heard that Randy said to Lisa that Jimmy was talking with R.J. and he said that he heard from Aiden that Tedford wanted Tosh to commit honor suicide after the Oregon game in 2010, but TOsh REFUSED!!
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by TwistNHook on Jan 16, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Certain insiders on BI are also complain about their bed sores and the general lack of care at the elder facility that their descendants deposited them in.
WE ARE THE 0%
by zoonews on Jan 16, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
#RopeCoachSwag
FTW. If you want an enthusiastic DL coach, look no further!
Gorcey
Hearing #Cal could lose two high-profile commits.
Lupoi has already spoken with Austin hooper, Michael hutchings, Shaq Thompson and Jordan Payton about UW
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 5:48 PM PST reply actions
need/want Shaq… I’d be okay w/ losing 1/2 receivers out of the 6 we already have especially w/ treggs as a solid.
wow
Tedford must be reeling. All this on MLK day. Lupoi has been on the phone all day, and Tedford is on a plane. Jerry Maguired.
Still?
Is he recruiting the next great kicker in Asia?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
I hear he’s on a plane to Australia for a punt-…
oh what year was that?
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
like ex-Viking DL coach Karl Dunbar?
shudder
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Here's hoping you guys hold on to him.
Truth, Justice and the American Way all lose if the huskies flip Shaq.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
jordan payton
changed his twitter pic to one of him wearing a cal hat. wouldn’t read too much into it but it at least can’t be taken as bad news right?
This isn't unusual.
In-home visits are common. Even among already commited kids.
Now that open contact is allowed in recruiting — as far as I know, which may be not much — we’ll be hearing about a lot of visits, as we’re a program with a potential top 5-10 recruiting class whose head recruiter was just snatched away. A lot of our 4 and 5 star candidates will be getting a lot of calls.
Seriously.
I feel this is like the best organized April Fool’s Joke of all time…except it isn’t 4/1. Bummer.
It is 1/16 though… reverse 4/1, square the 4…
…yeah, even I’m not buying it.
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by cldpc on Jan 16, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
it is a holiday, though
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
When the coach is away the trolls will play.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
that should be included in freddy kruger's rhyme
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
The possible downside to hiring an inexperienced barista is that you get a couple shitty lattes.
The possible downside to hiring an inexperienced defensive line coach is that your entire defense tanks.
So really, very similar to making coffee.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
You mean a grad assistant? Of course he could and I would welcome his appearance on staff.
But the coaching vacancy is for defensive line coach, so what exactly are you talking about?
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
This doesn't appear to be going anywhere.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Hey Sark and UW have an OC openning, why don't they hire Coach M
Throw $500k at him because they have so much money to offer every Cal coach.
They already hired Coach M once, why not do it again!!
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 6:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Solution
Lorenzo Alexander files his retirement papers tomorrow with the NFL. Catches a plane to SFO tomorrow and interviews. 3 PM press conference in time for 5 pm announcement of Armstead to Cal.
Shittu tweet: “DAAAAAAAAAAAMN! Re-re thinkin’ **** now”
John Embry quote: " I hate the Pac-12. I hate Cal. Only Cal can lose the national recruiter of the year and upgrade both their coaching and their recruiting."
/Lalalalalalalalalalala
"When the Giants call up a 21-year-old Venezuelan catcher who started the year in San Jose, was hitting well with poor plate discipline, but wasn't on Baseball America's preseason list of the organization's 30 best prospects, only good things can happen."
Congratulations, Hector!
by tedfordfan on Jan 16, 2012 6:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I can't wait to read MBC's recruiting post tomorrow
Should be filled with all sorts of great news!
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Psychologically, I’m resigning myself to losing everyone who’s wavering, so that I can be pleasantly surprised.
I am trying to do the same.
Usually I don’t follow recruiting and I let myself get sucked in this year, fun times!
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
DOOOOOOOM!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Now, I believe it is being re-scheduled for Wednesday to allow for more information to be collected. A lot going on.
I think we’ll have another post related to this situation for tomorrow, though.
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Are you saying MBC is gonna go post it on UW Dawg pound on Wednesday?
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
ANOTHER DEFECTOR?!
WILL I BE HAVING EGGS LUPOI, OR EGGS MBC TOMORROW?
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Aaaaaand dominoes.
BryanDFischer Bryan Fischer
RT @whitneykblaine: Armond Armstead just told me he plans to announce his college decision tomorrow & that brother Arik will not attend Cal
no bear, no care
furk.
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 16, 2012 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
i’m gonna go punch something brb
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Wait.
Is he just saying Armond will not attend Cal? That’s not a surprise is it. Or is he saying that both of them won’t attend Cal?
he is saying that Arik is a no.
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 16, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Well, they were supposed to be a package deal. They were trying really hard to play together. His brother apparently never had a shot to play in the Pac-12 due to NCAA transfer regulations, but him coming out and saying his brother is not going to Cal (something he never said before even amongst chatter that his brother couldn’t play anyway) pretty much states that he’s probably going somewhere else.
We already knew Armond wouldn’t go to Cal due to intra-conference transfer rules.
An inability to play with his brother won’t be the reason for our Arik-related DOOOOM.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Crap. I misread the tweet.
DOOOOOOM!
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
LOL you're not the only one it seems
I almost did the same thing.
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well this day just keeps getting better. At least he isn’t going to UW.
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Joe Davidson backtracking that story a bit.
sb_joedavidson Joe Davidson
Armstead family say NOTHING has been decided yet regarding where Armond and Arik go. Will know later tonite
he catches up on his next tweet.
I can’t do this anymore. I’ll be on hiatus for the rest of the night.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
This is setting up perfectly for another case of life as a Cal fan:
We’re back to hoping for Arik for all to end up as DOOOOM.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, so they can announce together.
From Arik’s tweet, and now this info from the hot Whitney tweet, I’m deducing that they both go play for Notre Dame.
And what about Shaq? Would he stick with Cal, per his long ago pledge and the family decision, or would he go to UW to be with Wilcox, who recruited his brother at Cal, and James Sample, his Grant buddy 1 year older? Joe Davidson (sacto prep news) said that Arik and Shaq went on official visit to ND in Nov and had a great time, so maybe Shaq joined Armsteads there.
I like what OT Steven Moore said – you choose a school for the school. The rest of these connections just make it stupid. “Dude – where are YOU going? Oh yeah, what about so and so…?”
It reminds me of Saul Perlmutter's Nobel Prize announcement
when someone thanked him for not taking more money to go to a richer university.
And Tosh Lupoi, you’re no Saul Perlmutter.
by JoeCarr on Jan 16, 2012 7:09 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Well he did get a life time parking pass that over a lifetime is worth well over $500k!
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
especially when you consider the price of a parking ticket on campus
by bamboobanga on Jan 16, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
So is Tedford going to address this issue at all today?
It is almost scary how quiet things have been between Cal and Tedford.
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
“Tedford was seen pacing around his office muttering ‘DOOOOOOM.’”
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Why should he? He’s got more important stuff to do than appease our concerns — stuff like calling recruits and trying not to get them to commit, etc., etc.
Not sure what the normal protocol is in these situations, but my instinct is not to expect anything more than a “we wish him well” press release written by somebody else.
yeah that’ll be it.
New DL coach will not happen for a couple weeks probably.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
I expect if Tedford wants to get either Shittu or keep McCarthy, he needs to at least have a list of names for them.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
“It’s early guys, but right now we’re looking at Iron Man, Kim Kardashian, and Tim Tebow.”
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Joe Paterno would have used a header
"We do not seek men who will bravely lie down to die, but men who will fight valiantly to live."
"Winning is not everything. It is far better to play the game squarely and lose than to win at the sacrifice of an ideal."
-- Andrew Latham Smith
Yes he needs to at least give them a list or why would they commit to us if they don’t have a clue who their DL coach will be.
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
In the parlance of those I know who still watch wrestling
“future endeavor’d.”
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
KevinCarden Kevin Carden
#Cal WR commit Jordan Payton says he is still committed but plans to now visit #Washington or #UCLA and “figure things out.”
so thats something.
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 16, 2012 7:40 PM PST reply actions
LOL it just keeps getting better and better for UW.
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Tosh Lopoi Gone: Recruiting Fallout
Open comment to Shaq:
Shaq: This is an incredible opportunity to show leadership for this potentially great recruitng class. Hold the class together and lead by example. You have said that you want to lead youth whose only example are gangs and drugs. But here is a once in a life time example to show that you have those leadership skills and qualities. Stand up and keep this class together and you have proven that you are a true leader. .
by moochie71 on Jan 16, 2012 7:49 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I hope Tedford is listening to Protect the Throne
While muttering Ball So Hard as he is getting ready to lock down this class.
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yes but right now he needs to protect his throne
Before Tosh “Et Tu, Brutes” him and this class.
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don't let Tedford get into his ZONE!!!!!
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 7:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
While Tedford is saying nothing publicly...
…is he working the phones with these recruits right now? Or is he simply letting this play itself out with no input or push back with these kids from Cal’s POV?
"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is
research."
I’m sure none of the coaches are doing anything about this. Rumor has it, they’re relaxing in a hot tub somewhere in Hawaii.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Ha...
But through two posts on CGB, we keep hearing that Tedford is “on a plane”.
It would help if someone would spin back some from the Athletic Dept. other than reminding us that Shane Vereen is the last Golden Bear in the NFL playoffs…
"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is
research."
Rumor has it when the announcement was officially made, Tedford was on a flight back after visiting a recruit. He’s probably back in Berkeley and in full DOOOOOM mode and damage control.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
Why?
The spin cycle is being wholly run by Twitter feeds from everyone but those in the Athletic Department itself. Some sort of statement, it would seem, should be in order to swing the pendulum away from the rampant innuendo that some of the tweets suggest. Why hasn’t anyone from the coaching staff picked up the phone to talk to the print guys who cover the team, or tweeted some form of response back?
I guess the point is, is that there are a few of us in the fan base who’d like to see some hitting back from our side on all of this, beyond reassurances from the recruits who intend to stay.
Of course, if Tedford has some sort of definitive answer in terms of a replacement, then all of my fears would be definitely misplaced…my small hope, anyway.
"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is
research."
Wouldn’t you rather they were dealing with keeping the recruits rather than worrying about what you think?
You're right, they're not worrying about what I think...
…because they’ve just posted on FB asking us to put our deposits down for football season tickets
https://www.facebook.com/CalAthletics
Talk about ill-timed. It has me wondering what Mrs. Lincoln thought of the play at Ford’s Theater that night…
"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is
research."
NO. NO. pretty sure he was surfing in Hawaii....
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
No, I think he slept in today and he just found out
by JustBear on Jan 16, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I LOVE THIS
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I have no direct experience with football recruiting, but I’ve had a close up look for many years at recruiting in another (non-revenue generating, but still very heavily recruited) sport. In many instances a commitment is heavily dependent on a personal relationship, and a personal relationship is non-transferable.
In the case the recruits who are now expressing doubt, it sounds like their relationship with Tosh was their primary relationship to the school. I’m sure they also all had a relationship with Tedford and/or with others on the staff…but it’s impossible to step in and replicate the connection to a kid’s #1 guy when it takes months or years to build that bond. This puts Tedford and Cal football in an incredibly difficult position, this close to signing day. It’s not nearly as simple as just picking up the phone and picking up where Tosh left off.
So I think it’s realistic to expect that we’ll lose a few kids. I don’t see how it won’t happen. But hopefully enough of them have a strong enough connection to the rest of the staff and the program (e.g. Shaq, who has in a lot of ways grown up with Cal) that the damage won’t be too wide and deep.
There’s positive news in this…think about all the recruits who DIDN’T like Lupoi who will now surely flock to Cal!
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Z ON
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Ellis McCarthy apparently flipped to UCLA
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 8:17 PM PST reply actions
im not disappointed
i reset my mind to thinking everyone decommited already.
anyone staying commited will be a positive news for me.
And after that somewhat optimistic quote from his father. I was at least expecting a day before he switched.
Bye Ellis. Bye Arik. Bye Aziz.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
i just hope
we won’t be saying “bye bye Shaq”
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 16, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Well... shit.
@adamgorney: According to Rick Kimbrel, five-star DT Ellis McCarthy has flipped to #UCLA from #Cal. Huge loss for the Golden Bears.
I can't......
……I can’t read the comments….I can’t read the posts…….I’m gonna bury my head in the freakin’ sand on this one……crap.
Tiiming couldn’t possibly be worse. Crap.
I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.
Dear Shaq
Wow!
This story just keeps getting worse. From riches to rags in a heart beat. How could we let this happen? How could we let Tosh go? This is the biggest disaster for our football team that I can remember. Even worse than down 42-0 at the half to USC in 2010. This is totally the pits.
Suck on dese nuts TexAss!!!
Ever watch The Shield? I am putting together a gif from season 5 episode 5 where Kavanaugh starts grabbing shit and destroys his hotel room then throws a chair out a window.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
That space toad was a jerk.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
Here we go
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 17, 2012 6:34 AM PST up reply actions
I am very disappointed with Cal
At least furd helped keep Uw football awful.
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
DOOM!
500k and a boat? On a boat motherfuckers on a boat!
No word today from Jeff Tedford, who clearly was busy Monday putting out recruiting fires. We are expecting to hear from Tedford and athletic director Sandy Barbour on Tuesday.
One campus source tonight told me that Tedford wanted to keep Lupoi and Cal offered him "a significant raise," but could not match the reported $500,000 UW delivered plus, we’re hearing, perhaps a boat.
Yes, I know . . . whatever floats your boat.
If Cal truly did go hard to keep Lupoi, there probably was a point of no return, beyond which the administration simply felt it could not go.
There is the practical side of this: A raise of that size to Lupoi would have prompted cries from other football staff members asking that their contracts be adjusted upward.
Then there is the political side: The athletic department may have felt trapped by the events of just a year ago when fiscal issues nearly led to the elimination of five Cal sports.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 8:54 PM PST reply actions
Hopefully the boat
is the Costa Concordia.
If ya can't get your Dick Enright, get your Dick Harter!
by Old Ducker on Jan 16, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
WOW, i’m gonna say it… this is getting ridiculous… not sure how i would’ve if Cal matched and gave everyone a raise + boats all around… we are still in a freaking recession after all.
Cal probably gave him somewhere in the 300-400K range…just under Pend
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by CalBear949 on Jan 16, 2012 9:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Master P prolly got less than that
by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Wait a minute. Genyk makes more than the other assistant coaches (non-coordinators?)
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 9:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think you get a bonus for epic fails, such as the fake punt against $C.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
he makes too much
theres no justification that Genyk makes more than Gould.
That said, Genyk is a special teams coordinator.
GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!
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Cedric Dozier says he will “honor my commitment to Cal” and doesn’t plan on taking an official visit to UW.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 8:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Boats all around for Kiesau and Michalczik!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
GUMMY BEARS ALL AROUND.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
The Old Blue in me (as someone from the class of 09) agrees… I wish it didn’t sound like he was begrudgingly fulfilling an obligation.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Cedric Dozier's quote...
"I’m mature enough to understand that college football is a business," he said. "Sometimes there’s a better deal somewhere else and I’m pretty sure his deal is way better (at UW)."
What a guy… I’m a fan.
Cedric Dozier just shot to the top of my list of CalGang recruits!
I’m sick of people trashing Tosh for taking the 200% raise.
Who here wouldn’t do that?
If Dozier choose Cal for reasons beyond 1 person, then he is a wise individual.
it's the timing
If he had waited until the recruiting cycle was over it would have been different, but this was the worst kind of backstab at the worst possible time.
I find nothing objectionable about the timing at all. If he waited until LOI’s were in, now he’s screwing over the recruits that wanted to play for him. This is when coaches leave. Get over it. Leaving at this time is not a backstab in the least.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
IUts a backstab to Cal.
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What a profound statement. Thanks for your input!
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Let’s see, do I care more about the recruits that wouldn’t get to play for him, or for Cal? Hmmm, let’s see…
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t find anything wrong with not liking it as a Cal fan. Your interest is in Cal. You just need to realize there are other people involved, too and at least understand where another point of view is coming from, even if it’s a competing point of view.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just saying, he was employed by us, not by the recruit. If he leaves, the recruit isn’t exactly screwed because he’s coming to Cal, either.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think the only appropriate response to all of this is Drunk Swanson!
by Flag Guy on Jan 16, 2012 9:01 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Well we have lost two potential difference
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 9:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Well we have lost two potential difference makers on the DL
I was hoping to keep one of the 3 but it’s looking like a big donut now.
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 9:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I knew it was too good to be true...
When we started getting ranked in the Top 10 for recruiting, we became Icarus, and now our wings have melted. Next, we’ll find out that the contractors building the Student Athletic Center used Chinese drywall, and asbestos in the flooring, making the whole thing uninhabitable. The tree sitters will come back, occupying Memorial, getting a court injunction that causes us to play at Golden Gate Fields. Sandy Barbour will leave us for Cal State Fresno, causing us to hire Tom Hansen as the new AD. We’ll start wearing leather helmets…I could go on…but this is depressing…
Lawrence Ross
This all ends with us being relegated to the third flight of English football.
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by AERose on Jan 16, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
London is London....
….and it’s better than PA.
Except Icarus screwed himself by being foolish. We’re getting screwed by To$h and UW.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
More good news
@RGBearTerritory: Jim michalczik and Freddie tagaloa just shared a very warm high five and embrace. Freddie told me he’s all cal
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 9:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Ryan Gorcey seems to suggest that Shaq’s already gone
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
What did Gorcey say?
Last I heard, Shaq was 50-50, but Tosh was already recruiting him for UW.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
I’m subscribed to the insider board, so I can’t say much more than that. But the prognosis there seems to be worse than the 50/50 claim that was mentioned publicly
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
So in other words...
DOOOOOM
Even if Shaq ended up being a dud, I wish he would stay with Cal on principle. I think it’s pretty despicable for Tosh to keep Shaq updated on his move to UW, but couldn’t be bothered to say anything to his own D-line guys.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Mother fuc-ing ggrrrraaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 9:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is still on his twitter page:
A CAL BEAR for life.. #Cal Gang or DIE #Go Bears safety #7
Hopefully it is still there on February 1st.
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Tosh’s twitter is still brimming with Cal love, including his old Cal football ring.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Shaq,
Step up and be a leader and keep this class together. It is truely an opportunity to erstablish yourself as the leader of this team.
With our luck though...
…Shaq steps up, saves some recruits from switching, then turns into Chris Martin, The Sequel…
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we good on D-Line... Moala + Blasquez = golden wrecking ball
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
A warm high five? I"M SOLD!
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Any chance that these DL switch back to Cal
Once we get a DL coach?
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 9:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Armstead is gone. McCarthy I still think has an official with us. We’ll see.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
these are giving me the warm fuzzies =D
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 16, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like McCarthy’s gone for good.
“The relationship I built with coach Tosh was a big factor in my decision to go to Cal,” McCarthy said in a text message.
“The minute I found out he was gone I knew I didn’t want to be there.”
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by ch0ster on Jan 16, 2012 9:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He could still go to SC. UCLA has 27 verbals….and 17 spots. Bruins have to clear out a lot of guys.
Strange situation there.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Mora Jr. gonna get a head start on the usual post-coaching-change house cleaning?
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It was fantastic."
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But why not U-Dub?
If Tosh was this influential on the kid, you’d think he’d want to follow him there…
It would be funny if they hired Tosh, hoping to lure kids away from Cal, only to see them to go to schools other than Washington. But I guess they’ve got $500,000 to toss off specifically to do just that.
"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is
research."
I can totally see these kids upset at Tosh. They must feel betrayed.
If Tosh was the reason they wanted to play at Cal, then they will decommit.
But now that they hate Tosh or at least lost trust in him, they won’t want to play for him either.
Tell that to Shaq, who seems to be leaning to UW now.
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If Tosh’s sales pitch is that when you come to Cal you will be BFFs with Tosh then we should have fired Tosh a long time ago.
WE ARE THE 0%
Why does this whole day feels like we've been stuck in a Penn State shower stall? :o(
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One of Shaq’s best friends, James Sample, is a CB at UW.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Apaprently, Justin Wilcox, new fusky DC, is also close to Shaq's family
having recruited his brother
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 17, 2012 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
Whoa what?! 10 UCLA recruits are going to be very, very pissed.
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
More likely
10 incumbent Bruin underperformers/discipline problems are going to be very pissed.
I guess that explains why Randall Carroll was recently dismissed from the team.
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Yep, there’ll be a lot more of that.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 9:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You mean, 10 incumbent Bruins suddenly did not have the high school grades to make it into the Oxford of America.
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by cldpc on Jan 16, 2012 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No, that’s not true. Cal was (probably still is) planning on signing more than that.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
It appears it is true.
From Wikipedia:
The NCAA allows football teams to add up to 25 new scholarship players to the roster per academic year, so long as the total number of scholarship players does not exceed 85.
And this article says the only way to get around it is with early enrollees (which count against the prior year if space was available). We are rumored to have one:
Football teams are only permitted to enroll 25 scholarship athletes per calendar year and can only have 85 scholarship players on their team at any given time.
Yeah that's what I meant
A couple of EEs plus the 25.
We have two early enrollees: Kline and Okafor. Armstead would’ve been the third had he come to Cal.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
There's a new rule in the SEC to that effect, but it's specific to that conference.
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All this talk of Lupoi abandoning us 2 weeks before LOI...
but doesn’t it seem even douche-ier to leave after all the players signed? if he was really planning on leaving the program and there was nothing Cal could do about it, then it seems the earlier the better.
i seriously think it would’ve been way worse for the current class and their parents to find out lupoi bounced after LOI. it would’ve set even a worse reputation for Cal that could hurt our image even more in a long run.
in either case, i want to hear some explanations from tosh and lupoi. the longer they keep silent, the more rumors that surface and makes this all seem very sketchy
If he wanted to change jobs, he could have done it before the bowl game, or just after the bowl game.. 2 weeks before LOI day, and then turning around and trying to lure the same guys away to UW from Cal, is really pretty scummy.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
…yeah, and?
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Their relationship probably affected his decision (and heck, the reason UW even went after him and thought they could reasonably get him). Was an offer even in play during the timeline you suggest?
Who knows, who cares? He turned on a dime from being 100% Cal, more-or-less publicly rebuffing Washington’s offers for a week, to suddenly bailing the day before the EE date.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
All I’m saying is you say he should have left during bowl season and obviously that wasn’t possible. The timing is a different issue from the move itself.
Perhaps a better question is why he didn’t insist on Feb 1, if he felt a loyalty to the program. Then again, is that fair to recruits who are then feeling like they were lied to? It seems to me that once you know, you have to go.
All the other stuff…whether it was right, whether he should be recruiting Shaq, etc, is separate from the timing question.
or
like summer next year.
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Well, I’m saying if he wasn’t happy at Cal, I’m sure there were many, many programs who would have jumped at the chance for his services at any time up till now. If he was happy at Cal, then this move, at this time seems like it’s mostly about the Benjamins.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
I've lost a lot of respect for Tosh, but I gotta be fair...
According to rumors, UW and Cal have been having a bidding war for Tosh for awhile now, so it’s not entirely his fault for the timing. Sounds like it just took this long to get an offer this unmatchable (plus, I’m sure Sark gave him a deadline that just happened to coincide with LOI day).
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
I still don’t understand why it was unmatchable. How does UW have access to piles of cash that we, their division-mates in the same conference, do not?
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
well considering they just paid their new DC $700K, I think they have some more resources.
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Well it seems like they do, but I’m asking how that could be.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
This town loves the huskies...
Go to a husky game some time. The fan support is tremendous and I bet that translates into $$$ pretty directly.
Could be donors. Could be the chancellor/university has a different philosophy about the funding of athletics. Also, they went through a significant program paring several years ago, so support far fewer sports than we do, leaving more money for football, one would assume.
Do our donors not realize the importance of our assistant coaches? Were they given a chance to come close to UW’s offer?
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Do you not think our donors might be feeling a bit tapped out right now?!? Do you think they want to pony up another couple of million ANNUALLY to up all the assistant coaches’ salaries?
Are UW’s donors not paying for a massive stadium and facilities renovation as well? They’re clearly not tapped out.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
1. THey haven’t paid yet
2. They support 25% fewer sports than we do
3. They sell more tickets
4. Maybe they are richer? Who the fuck knows? Why are you being so argumentative and pedantic?
I’m being neither one of those things! I honestly am curious where the hell they’re getting all this dough from. At a surface level, they’re a public school, in the same conference, and they’ve been terrible while we’ve been good recently. Do they sell more tickets? Until 2011 our stadium capacities were roughly the same. The idea that they are rolling in cash to pay coaches and we can’t come close to matching them is truly mystifying to me.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
UW has less sports, doesn’t have millions of dollars of debt to worry about paying off, and a much broader donor base.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-washington-debt-clock.html
http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html
Seems like the state of Washington is in better shape financially than we are, too. Not a ton better… but better. This could definitely affect university funding.
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Well it seems like they do, but I’m asking how that could be.
According to the Dept of Education’s Equity In Athletics data UW’s 2010 football revenue was $39,405,237. Ours was $24,328,784. Links below (under Revenues and Expenses tab)
Wow, okay… That certainly goes part of the way toward explaining it. Are their fans really that much more…. numerous and supportive than ours, after them being so shitty for so long? I mean, 0-12 was not that long ago.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
They also went to a Rose Bowl in 2001 and won a national championship two decades ago. During the 40 years we generally sucked, they have generally been good.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
I can’t even keep my checkbook straight, so I have no idea how the finances of our beloved institution work.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
There may be some legit reasons to be mad at Tosh over how this went down. I don’t see how the timeline of things is one of them. This is when coaches leave. It makes the most sense – do it right after the season ends. Nothing wrong with that. It happens to be shortly before LOI day…well, it is what it is. Sucks for the school, but it would suck for the recruits if they went to a school for a coach and he left right after they signed a binding agreement.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that would honestly be the snake move. At least Tosh leaving now gives the recruits flexibility in their decision-making.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
also gives him a chance to take some with him.
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Yeah, which makes this extra shitty.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I think if he actively poaches recruits from Cal, that’s pretty shitty. Seems to be the norm in college football these days, and I think it’s pretty dishonorable. It’s definitely a gray area, and I’m not sure where exactly the line is when it becomes dishonorable, but it’s there somewhere.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s a bit different when the coaching staff gets fired than when they just choose to leave for a better offer…
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
If he’d left a couple of weeks ago we could have found someone else to replace him and reassure our recruits by now.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
A couple of weeks ago Wilcox wasn’t the DC.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I didn’t realize that Tosh had a Wilcox Exception to his contract.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
I really think you’re overestimating the guy’s ability to just go out and pick up a job that increases his salary 200% and puts him in a position working directly for his mentor.
He wasn’t leaving us for just any job. I give him (and all of his numerous supporters within the Cal community) enough credit to believe that. The timing of the move coincides perfectly with a timeline you’d expect after Wilcox got hired. I have a hard time finding something nefarious in this timeline.
You’re mad at him for leaving. That’s fine. But it seems like you’re misdirecting some of the anger.
You’re right, he isn’t leaving us for just any job. He’s leaving us for a division-mate with whom we compete directly.
I’ve been reading for a week about how Tosh supposedly didn’t care for the UW job and wasn’t going anywhere, when in reality it seems he was doing some combination of hosting a bidding war and timing his departure.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
IMO, yes because we would have had more time to hire a DL
coach and work on keeping this staff.
I suppose we still have two weeks until LOI and if we can find and hire a DL coach by the end of the week we might be able to swing a DL recruit back to us.
I agree, the closer to the end of the season they did it, the more optimal it would have been. However, sometimes these things just take some time. It doesn’t always work out perfectly, and I don’t think the way it worked out is objectionable (just talking about the timing aspect, here).
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Actually
yes.
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Okay. I guess I give up. If one week’s difference in timing of an assistant coach leaving is going to change the course of Cal football, I’m rooting for the wrong things.
I don't recall saying that
it will change the course of Cal football…all you ask was whether it would have been better had he left a week earlier…
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There are a lot of things that doesn’t change the course of Cal football, it’s a big ship to turn but it would have helped.
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I’m just trying to point out how utterly insane it is to make a big deal out of a guy taking an extra week to make a decision that affects the entire course of his life. Or maybe he was getting all the information he needed to make the decision (and yes, final offers are a part of that).
Either way, are we so entitled that we begrudge someone a week to figure out his life, because it might change the odds of getting a handful of recruits a few percentage points? I mean, I get that it’s the internet, and I get that we’re obsessed, but man.
I guess I’m part of the problem.
I’m not making a big deal about it. Yeah, I complained about it, and you keep picking at this nit trying to invalidate my complaint. That’s fine if you don’t think the timing matters any. I don’t think it’s a big deal myself, but I do think it makes things slightly worse.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Well, the timing is unfortunate enough, but then using the timing to screw us in recruiting is the scummy part.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
If this had happened a couple of weeks ago we’d be having this conversation then instead of singing Auld Lang Syne.
WE ARE THE 0%
We also could have hired a new DL coach
that would have helped with recruiting and keeping all these DL we are losing now.
If we could have hired one a couple weeks ago then we can hire one tomorrow and they’ll fix everything tomorrow.
WE ARE THE 0%
You’re being facetious, but the truth is, if we would have known a couple of weeks ago we could have hired one today.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
What are the odds of that really happening? It seems like Tedford and Cal were not expecting this so I doubt they are prepared to hire someone.
Plus, you don’t want to rush into hiring someone and end of with the DL version of Steve Marshall.
What DL coaches are even available? It will take Tedford and Clancy time to find and hire someone.
Well, apparently they should’ve at least been thinking about this for the past week or more. So hopefully they’re not caught completely off guard.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully they were but it seems like everyone was convinced that Tosh was staying so who knows how prepared they actually are for this situation.
I mean, if you have Tosh on the recruiting trail as of last night with some of your biggest recruits its seems like they were under the assumption Tosh was staying at Cal.
i’d still surprised to not have heard anything from our side. i really want to know whether this was a blindside or something we were preparing for.
Yeah, that’s part of what I don’t understand. Haven’t we been hearing that ~$500K figure for days now? It seems like he went from 100% staying to 100% gone in the blink of an eye.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, the timing is really bad for us. Leaves us no time to hire a potential replacement before LOI day or if we do it will be a rush job that could backfire.
Also, this throws the whole class into flux and gives Tosh, UW, and other schools a better chance of stealing our recruits, especially those on the fence.
Maybe. Coaches generally have a list ready in case of emergency though, and I’m sure Tedford is looking now.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
I am sure he has a list
but it will take time to line up interviews and fly out candidates. Also, I would think Clancy would have some say in the process.
Who knows how many on that list are currently available.
Once again, as much as I would love someone by Friday, I also dont want to rush into it and hire the DL version of Steve Marshall.
Maybe we can grab someone off of Hue Jacksons old staff? Who was the Raiders DL coach?
who also coached at cal in the 90s. would be an amazing offensive coordinator, but near 0 chance of him going that route.
Are you kidding me? Hue Jackson as a college coach?
No way.
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mike waufle who coached at cal in the 90s. he’s had some great dl’s in his time in the nfl with the giants and raiders.
I am sold, bring him
As a Charger fan I saw a lot of the Raiders DL and they were pretty physical. Sometimes a bit too physical but his DL’s seemed to play well and I saw them dominate the Chargers OL over the last two seasons.
if my raiders only had linebackers that could cover and dbs that well, do something…hue wouldn’t be in this position.
Yeah, if only Hue had beaten my Chargers
Norval would be fired, instead we are stuck with him for another season.
Gah, don’t remind me.
Also, when will they make up their mind and pull the trigger and go to LA? :)
by puresilence on Jan 16, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Who the Chargers? I thought Oakland was goin
I really hope we dont lose our Chargers but I dont believe the public should completely pay the whole bill on a new stadium.
I’m completely unsure of what’s going on with the team and LA at the moment.
Anyways, I don’t like the Raiders, so I’d rather have the Chargers…
by puresilence on Jan 16, 2012 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, as much as the Chargers, like my beloved Golden Bears tease and frustrate me with potential success and greatness I don;t want to see them leave SD.
You can have the Raiders or Jags.
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Demetrice Martin left UW for UCLA way back on December 14th. This seems a few weeks late in the game if you ask me. I mean, I guess it’s not a 100% complete breach of etiquette or anything, but it’s still pretty shitty timing.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
UCLA also fired their coaching staff before the bowl season. After season coaching changes are more common than in season firings.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
I think he made a mistake....
……he should have sealed the deal and finished off the class. He may not have ended up at U-Dumb, but he probably could have gotten a better deal somewhere else with that on his resume and without burning all the bridges to his alma mater. He could have let Cal know that he was a short-termer afterwards and they could have shifted recruiting responsibilities elsewhere, and had time to hire a good DL coach. He could have gotten to know the individuals in this class better and they would be more likely to understand his decision better and let him go without feeling betrayed.
Disagree with some aspects of that. Leaving after the class was in is no doubt better for Cal, but worse for those recruits. I also think you’re underestimating the part UW played in this – he wasn’t just moving on to any new position that paid him, he was moving on to an offer that was realistically the very best offer he was going to receive in the present – great $ offer, gets to stay on the West Coast, and gets to work for Wilcox. I doubt for Tosh, other offers are comparable to that. Lastly, though you may feel betrayed (as your comment suggests), I strongly doubt he’s really burned any bridges to Cal. I have no idea what the future holds, but I can easily imagine a scenario that sees Tosh coming back as a dcoordinator and/or head coach at some point in the future.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Is it worse for those recruits?
It may be worse for the ones who came just because of Tosh, but that is no reason to pick a school and they may as well learn the lesson.
And while it is highly likely to be the best offer IN THE PRESENT, believe me when I say that pulling in a class like he could have at Cal would have opened far more doors than the one door open at Washington….and the one at Washington would likely still have been open at UW as well.
I’m glad you see that Tosh may still end up here some day. But I don’t suppose you are a 75 year old influential alum who sees yet another delay in that Rose Bowl trip.
Guess I pretty much disagree with you on everything.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
“Worse for Cal” is the important part here.. right?
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Sick of all this… Going to spend the rest of my night doing things that make me happy.
In sum:
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Fighting for the Gold and Blue
Palms of Glory we will win
for Alma Mater true.
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Tagaloa, Dozier, and Treggs give me hope
That this won’t all be terrible. (as long as Shaq stays though I’m feeling “DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM” over that)
Armstead not coming to Cal doesn't bother me, because at least he'll be going somewhere out of conference.
McCarthy? Well, UCLA is pretty good at making chicken salad into chicken shit. But Shaq at UDub? DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.
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Questions I have:
What if Tosh had, God forbid, been in a serious car accident?
Would all this “CalGang doubt” be happening? Something tells me ’no.
Who else here thinks JT c/should have given up some of his $ for the good of the team?
“Win as a team, lose as a team.”
I think huge chasm between exec pay and underling pay = resentment & “no team”!
http://i.imgur.com/8MMx9.png
Rumor has it Tedford wanted to give Tosh a raise (who knows how much), but Sandy wouldn’t sign off on it.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s not as simple as Tedford giving up his money. The entire staff would have to get a comparable pay raise as well to keep everyone happy.
by puresilence on Jan 16, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
That was my point.
Sometimes a leader has to take the bull by the horns and do what needs to be done. Win together, lose together. I wonder if JT, like many CEO’s, thinks it all has to do with HIM? It’s an often arrogant stance that senior ups take – “I don’t need that bastard. I’ll get someone else in here who can do the job for less.”
I don’t think it went down like that especially as per that link posted somewhere here earlier. We’ll see what details leak out in the future…
by puresilence on Jan 16, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
JT's hotseat?
Many on these blogs complain about JT’s QB decisions, his play calling, etc. They say he needs to be fired. Well, getting THE RIGHT PLAYERS is as important and play calling, and this seems to be a huge bunch of bad play calls in a row as we are now losing Arik and Ellis and possibly others.
This is the first time I think that JT has blown it by allowing Tosh to go.
I don’t care that “Sandy wouldn’t sign off on it”. JT is the CEO of this ship, and I put this on him. He is the captain and has to keep Tosh happy. Whether it was the money or the Oregon-Scuba-Scapegoat incident, the point is, Tosh is no longer here and that is already costing us excellent players.
That’s like throwing interception after interception. it matters.
USATODAY chart (above) shows that JT makes 2.3M, while the sum of his assistants make $1.57M That type of disparity is NOT a winning recipe in my book. Win as a team, lose as a team. That disparity is NOT A TEAM.
Again
it doesn’t work that way. If Tedford pays Tosh’s contract, then what about Pendergast or the other coaches?
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I think there’s a good argument that our assistants are quite underpaid.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
I know. I’m saying “throw down 100k for all of them, dammit”.
Okay, I’m being simplistic – but the captain of the ship has to deliver the cargo to Pasadena. It’s kinda simple in that sense. Do whatever needs to be done. You think JT’s made enough money at this point to be altruistic? The boosters who pony up money for things like salaries and stadiums and other sport facilities (save rugby anyone?) do this all the time.
Unfortunately, there are regulations that dictate what Tedford’s allowed to do in terms of compensation. What you’re complaining about pretty much has to go through Sandy every time, and I’m pretty sure there’s no way she’s signing off on a pay raise for the entire coaching staff, whether or not they deserve it. I agree that Cal’s coaches are most likely underpaid, but it’s not something you can just lay on Tedford because he’s the coach. It’s like blaming the Holiday Bowl on Maynard because he’s the QB, even though there’s a team around him that’s supposed to help out. Like the offensive line. Sandy’s role is to make Tedford’s job as HC as easy as possible and give him the means (money) to do what he needs to do. They — amongst others — share the responsibility for this potential fallout.
Which wouldn't be a problem...
…..if they all deserved it.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Shaq,
This is an opportunity to lead this class; it is not a set back caused by one coaching change. If you can hold this class together and lead us to the Rose Bowl, this will always be known as “Shaq’s class” long after Tosh has been forgotten. Seize the opportunity. Continue to lead the #CalGang. It truely is a once in a life time opportunity.
I like this kid
The motto for 2012 season at cal should be “”https://twitter.com/Cali_Showtime4/status/159159100419211264" >we all we got, we all we need" after today. It wasn’t a loss it was a gain in being one family
by hunger on Jan 16, 2012 10:46 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
last year's
http://cal.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=435131
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Safety Avery Sebastian. He’s tweeting a whole lot of Cal love to the recruit, trying to keep the CalGang together.
Love the slogan he’s putting out there:
We all we got, we all we need.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly
I’m not that bummed about McCarthy and Armstead because I didn’t actually believe they would be coming. McCarthy talked about taking more trips and the deal with Armstead and his brother was an issue before Tosh bolted.
Shaq will hurt though…I hope his brother is talking him up.
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yup
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
maybe
Monty should be doing something.
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Doesn’t Syd have a relationship with Wilcox, though…?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
I have no idea who the author is but
I can’t blame Tosh Lupoi for leaving.
I’m just frustrated.
I’m frustrated with an administration that was content to throw one of its own under a double-long AC Transit bus in front of an entire country.
I’m frustrated with a coach that sat idly-by as the blame for an embarrassing fake-injury fiasco unrightfully fell squarely on the shoulders of a guy he coached — and watched grow-up — while rarely singing the praises of the nation’s top recruiter.
http://cal.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1319563
1) Where is this “pattern” of disrespect he talks about
2) There seems to be a faction of fans who believes that Tedford threw Tosh under the bus for the Oregon thing. Now there are two ways to look at this:
a) Tedford told Tosh to do it and then sold him out. This does not seem like something Tedford would do and it makes no sense since Cal has played Oregon a million times under Tedford and never this issue. Also, Tedford was the one who instituted the penalty, not the NCAA, so I don’t get why he would go out of his way to punish Tosh for basically a PR move that was a story for a week.
b) Tedford could have “protected” Tosh from the issue. But this seems wrong because Tosh is a big boy and he should be punished for doing something wrong. You would expect the same if a player did something bad.
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Nice to see Jon Doss is writing again
Nice to see he continues to be full of it.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
It's John Doss
He’s a 24 year old Cal guy who went to Syracuse as well. How both? Not sure. But he’s all Cal. He ran the Cal Media Day at CalBears.com and does some other podcast work for Rivals with Gorcey, among other things.
BTW
I’m not Jon Doss, though I did go to Cal for undergrad and Syracuse for grad school.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
I hear they have “snow tunnels” there, so you can get from class to class without a shovel.
True story?
They have a couple. Mostly they salt the walkways though. I spent a fair amount of time walking outside in the winter.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
After all the smoke and mirrors bullshit that Tosh has put up over how, “He’s Cal through and through,” just to leave for more money?
I’m convinced that it was all Lupoi’s bright idea to give those signals to feign injury.
And after today? Good riddance is all I have to say.
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by Swamphunter on Jan 16, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
I think Sarkisian is stupid
Tosh is not worth $500K at UW.
No disrespect to Tosh at all though.
I’m pretty sure the reasons UW paid $500K for Tosh include his talent as recruiter. But Tosh won’t be able to sell UW program like he did at Cal. I’m sure he will still be a great recruiter, but he did well because he was part of the Cal family.
Now he has reputation for choosing money over his “family” and while everyone will understand his decision, he’s lost credibility for what he preaches.
We will have to see, some guys are just great recruiters
we will see how great of a recruiter Tosh is over the next few years.
Now it is time for Ashley Ambrose and other young coaches at Cal to step up and fill the void.
Ashley, earn your check and make sure to keep Shaq at Cal.
The worst part of this is really the timing
now the staff is so busy trying to keep commits, they have no time to spend on potential recruits.
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True but it isn't as if they are starting from scratch
a lot of the ground work has been laid and it is only 2 weeks until LOI day so they just have to hold it together.
Plus, as far as Shaq is concerned, he is only in Sacramento so the staff doesn’t have to go far to see him and talk to him.
Yeah
but you only have a limited number of coaches and a limited number of visits.
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Well, Tedford better hurry and hire a new DL coach to help pick up the slack
Still Ambrose needs to prove his worth and keep Shaq.
I think you can make a pretty decent case that he is worth that much. By most accounts, he is a good coach first and foremost, so that means he will be a positive impact in terms of his actual coaching of these young men, and he will improve the defense, especially since Washington has a lot of room for improvement on D. If he can add even 1 marginal win, that’s worth a lot. Secondly, his recruiting ability is definitely a huge asset. How much do you think just one 5-star recruit is worth to the football program per year? $100K? If he can get a couple of those per year, plus whatever he brings on the coaching side, that’s worth a few hundred K probably. Plus you’d be paying any other warm body a couple hundred K for that position, so really you’re only talking about the difference.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah everyone is focusing on his recruiting but I will miss his coaching just as much
Although, I can’t believe UW can afford ALL these coaches! UW must be near the top for salary spent on coaching staff.
Yeah, is UW printing money
between their stadium upgrades and salaries for the coaching staff I don’t know how they can afford all of this.
Granted they have the new TV money but so does Cal and we cant seem to afford all of these things.
maybe we’re just not spending it before we actually have it…
or damn, they rollin in microsoft money or whatever….
Pretty much this.
Everything we know about the TV money is essentially an estimate, as I’m sure there are a ton of contingencies in the contract based on performance, etc. The schools will divide the money at the end. UW may be spending well more than they can afford, but they may also have just allocated a budget to whatever they want that’s the minimum they see themselves possibly getting from the new contract.
If I were in charge, I’d probably wait a little bit to make sure I have everything first. They do say “Don’t count the chickens before the eggs hatch.” I can’t possibly see how UW has all this money right now, especially with their lackluster performance this last decade.
Yeah, was thinking the same thing about Tosh’s effectiveness at UW… He’s been at Cal most (if not all) his adult life, so he gets the culture and knows Cal. He knows what to sell and the parts to skip over a little when talking about Cal. Yes, he builds great relationships, but if he’s selling a product he’s unfamiliar with, will he be as good as he was here? Hard to say now, but relationships aren’t 100% the reason a recruit heads to a school in my mind. An effective recruiter builds a relationship w/ the recruit and uses that relationship as a platform from which to tout and sell the school. Unfamiliarity w/ UW will hurt the latter part of the process.
Also
you can bet there is going to be a lot of negative recruiting against him.
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Sadly, college football is a business
Mark Emmert, current NCAA president is a former UW president and hired Steve Sarkisian in Seattle.
Emmert backed a proposal to allow conferences to increase grants to student-athletes by $2000.
$2k ain't diddly squat.
not for football and basketball players who bring in money by the truckload.
no, their $ is to be distributed to non-revenue sports. And, look, I love women’s field hockey – but to pay a starting LB the same as field hockey is nuts.
We should still have a very solid recruiting class
Guess we won’t truly know until Feb 1, but it sure sounds like we are retaining the commitments of some pretty solid young men. And maybe we get a surprise with Arik tomorrow – fingers crossed. Sure hope Monty has been on the phone (or at his house) to talk to the family.
There has got to be some insider stuff going on that we simply do not know about. And the way things are generally handled at Cal – very classy and close to the vest with any dirty laundry – we probably will never truly know both sides. Maybe Tedford will surprise me tomorrow, but I doubt he says anything but good things about Tosh and moves on to how we are looking at kick-ass replacements and talking to the recruits.
I know the money is good – no way Cal comes remotely close to that number. (Do we really pay our coaches that little? How the heck can we expect to compete with the big boys?) But there has to be some sort of issue with the fake injury thing tied into this move, doesn’t there?
I’m still looking forward to the season opener at the NEW Memorial. Still planning the roadie to tOSU. Still planning on the SC and Furd games. Now I might need to figure out how to get up to the UW game too.
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by 1988goldenbear on Jan 16, 2012 11:35 PM PST reply actions
I still don’t understand why the fake injury thing would be tied to this move. If he were really that upset about something that happened two years ago, he could have left at any time before now. He could have gone to join Wilcox at Tennessee if he really wanted to. He could have bolted for UW as soon as Wilcox was hired 2 weeks ago. Why would it suddenly matter today? It’s gotta be about the $$.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
I have no idea if that played into it or not, but I don’t think your questions rule it out. Maybe he didn’t want to move all the way to Tennessee, which for someone from the Bay Area is a very reasonable position to have. Next, it’s been about two weeks since Wilcox was hired…I’d say that’s a pretty fast turnaround, really. Job negotiations take time. Making big decisions like moving to a new city take time. Maybe Tosh initially wasn’t planning on doing it, but UW ended up offering so much he just couldn’t turn it down. Who knows how it went down. I don’t think we can rule it out as a potential factor, based on what we know, though.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
It sounds like a really fucking stupid potential factor, if you ask me. At least the $$ rationale is understandable, if not necessarily respectable.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
My guess is if it’s really a factor, it’s not just that one thing – but rather, that one incident is just representative of a bigger issue. I saw a situation like that unfold in my last workplace, where one incident was kind of a point of no return that created a huge divide between co-workers/bosses…but it really wasn’t just about that one incident.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
all speculation
We probably will never know.
But with all the Twitter chatter from former linemen (Tepper and Edwards?) it sounds suspicious. And then if Kiesau goes too?
It will be a tough couple weeks til signing day.
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by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
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by AndyHogan14 on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
Actions Speak Louder than Words
Suspended for Cheating at the Oregon game. Leaving your friends and teammates in a sneaky, cowardly manner that is reminiscent of Judas and Benedict Arnold. Impressive bullet points on his resume. I wouldn’t trust my son to play for this young man.
If I were one of his ex-teammates, I would tweet him and tell him to go F* himself.
True but he can also point to back-to-back 1st round picks.
I am not sure how much kids will really care about this.
After all, Saban and Petrino seem to be doing just fine.
Except
Saban and Petrino’s selling cards are not “loyalty” and “family”…i
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Ha, it wouldn’t surprise me if those were some of their selling points…
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Kids had no reason to question the sincerity of this ex-assistant coach before. They do now. Some recruits will wonder if he is not just another smooth talking salesman and shy away. F* Saban and Petrino, too.
Kids don’t seem to care about smooth talking salesmen though.
Look at the success Urban had and is currently having at OSU, same with Saban, Miles, and all the other big coaches in CFB past and present. All the big successful coaches all have that smooth talking salesman trait and all these HS kids seem to eat it up.
Remember, these are 17,18, 19 year kids, not grown adults.
Urban is completely different. The guy did it right every step of the way. He built up Utah and went to one of the best programs in the nation. He then retired and sat out a whole year before taking the OSU job, which only became available through some extreme circumstances.
Miles also became much more liked when he passed on the Michigan job and stayed at LSU
Saban is a snake but his success sells itself.
A lot of the recruits that Tosh gets talks about his pitch about family and loyalty and how he planned to stay at Cal for years to come.
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I am sorry but I don't totally agree about Urban
Urban is a snake. He retired to spend more time with his family or was it for health reasons? No it was it was family. Only after Urban prayed about the OSU job did he decide to come back.
I do agree that he did right at all his stops before Florida.
Happens all the time with people retiring…they think that it’s great and then they realize that’s it’s pretty boring. Who cares about the reason…it wasn’t like he bolted for another job.
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I think he bolted because he saw the writing on the wall and wanted out
he didn’t have a QB and he couldn’t compete with the teams in the SEC West so he got out of dodge but that is just my opinion.
Is Tedford losing it?
Ryan Gorcey reports:
“Another factor in Lupoi’s departure appears to have been the infamous game against Oregon in 2010, which saw defensive lineman Aaron Tipoti drop to the ground with a feigned injury, in order to stop the Ducks’ high-paced offense. A source close to the program says that it was defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast who came up with that particular plan, and that Lupoi was used to shoulder the blame.”
Considering
Pendergast would likely be gone in a few years
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Exactly and add to the fact that it was Clancy's first season
why would Tedford have more loyalty and defend a guy who was just hired over a guy who had been in the program for years?
maybe b/c tosh would “always be a bear” and Tedford felt Tosh would understand and not care… but still, this is pure speculation… I’m pretty sure airing his grievances w/ Tedford about the situation would’ve cleared the air… If tosh is childish enough to hold a silent grudge like that for a year and use it as fuel to bolt, then he doesn’t deserve the position. I mean, what example are you setting for the kids?
And wasn’t Tosh offered by Texas last year? if he was so pissed w/ didn’t he bolt then?
Makes no sense that Tedford would do that
no sense at all.
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exactly my feeling… going through the theoretical scenarios makes everything seem stupid and senseless…
I’m going with what happened, happened. Tosh left for reason X and of course, the big supposed pay raise. End of story. It’s in the past now, so just the team’s got to focus on the future and next season. I’m sure that’s what Tedford’s been up to, and what the team’s will be up to once this class is finalized. Save as many recruits as you can, and get better and stronger for next year so they can rock NEW Memorial stadium.
Yeah
I just don’t get all the Tosh love and Tedford bashing.
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And wasn’t Tosh offered by Texas last year? if he was so pissed w/ didn’t he bolt then?
Maybe he didn’t want to go to Texas? Just because you’re upset about something doesn’t mean you have to jump at the first offer you get. Maybe he’s just upset about it enough to finally really consider leaving Cal, whereas before he wasn’t…and the UW was a great offer for him. Who knows.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe because it’s easier to suspend the DL coach than the dcoordinator for a game?
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Again
makes no sense whatsoever
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Not sure that it’s so completely implausible that it can be dismissed out of hand when we have very limited knowledge of the personalities and relationships involved. And when it seems like this is coming from multiple sources.
Maybe it’s made up. Maybe it’s exaggerated. I’m pretty damn sure Tosh doesn’t leave without the cash and Wilcox, so maybe even it is true it was a negligible factor. But I’ve seen people treated unfairly in far crazier contexts than this, so it’s hard for me to look at that and think, wow, that’s like telling me aliens landed from outer space.
Why all this benefit of the doubt for Tosh and not Tedford?
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I also never said that it was an impossibility…just that it makes no sense whatsoever.
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Another source close to the program said Clancy Pendergast ordered waffles at the Cal football banquet, but Tosh Lupoi wanted pancakes, and another source says they exchanged miffed glares.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Gulp
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So i guess there tellin me i have to make grown man decisions now. So here come my GMD’s. #itstime
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Worse betrayal: Lupoi or Mariucci?
Both departures were a shock.
Both were unexpected.
Both rocked us.
Which is worse?
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Lupoi was worse, Mariucci was more harmful.
Mariucci took a NFL job but was the HC
Lupoi took the same job but for more money and is now attempting to take recruits away from Cal.
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I wasn’t around when Mariucci coached the Bears. What happened that could make it like this?
Lupoi ran off without telling his players—his “family.” He couldn’t make the time to tell them about it personally, but he made the time to tell Shaq about the move to UW while on the Cal dollar as a Cal employee.
I don’t care that he’s leaving for more money and I don’t blame him for the timing, but I can’t fathom Mariucci doing something worse than this.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 17, 2012 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Basically, Mariucci outright said on several occasions that he was in it for the long haul, that he wasn’t going anywhere – gave us hope and a good season – and then bolted for the Niners. And like CalBear 949 said, it was the head coach – brutal, brutal loss.
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Ugh, and then the fucking 9ers started out their press conference announcing Mooch’s hiring by stating that they were making a sizeable donation to Stanford (which was supposed to be a joke, but wasn’t the slightest big funny).
Wow. I wasn’t a Niner fan before, but I’m even less of one after hearing that.
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by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
Damn
That is pretty rough, especially considering the “joke” they made about the Furd.
But I still find the Tosh move worse because he worked to sway at least one recruit while still on the Cal payroll.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 17, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
But I still find the Tosh move worse because he worked to sway at least one recruit while still on the Cal payroll.
What are you basing that on? From what I read, that’s not an accurate description.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
OMFG
Is the Kiesau rumor true? I will fuckin lose it if so.
UW currently has a receivers coach in place, which would make this a bit more problematic. But let’s wait and see… The source doesn’t seem particularly reputable, but who knows.
Where are these new rumors coming from?
As you said, UW already has a WR coach but perhaps they are promoting him to fill the OC position and now need a WR.
I have no idea how credible the source is:
https://twitter.com/#!/MmSprtsConsultn/status/159173517731041280/photo/1
All this really makes me want to beat the fuck out of UW next year at Memorial.
…and run up the score.
KEEP CALM
AND
Z ON
Yep, this so so so so much.
I hope our defense is out for blood that day and Tedford doesn’t call off the dogs until we have scored more points than Baylor did against them in the Alamo bowl.
We all we got, we all we need.
As new Heart and Soul of the CalGang, Avery Sebastian, put it:
Mark your calendar. November 2nd. It’s “I hate udub game”. Going to war this season with my boys ready to eat
As an aside, I love how Sebastian’s true colors showed in this crazy day. He stepped up and is trying to keep the CalGang together. Hope he can show the same leadership on the field.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 17, 2012 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
i don’t follow any of our current players on twitter…find it kinda creepy keeping tabs on a college kid…but i like his style…followed for the day.
I don’t have a Twitter (seems dumb to me) and I definitely wouldn’t be the kind to talk to our players, but I took the time to read all of the tweets Sebastian made about today’s implosion.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
I get that same creepy feeling...
And it’s not even college kids – these recruits are high school kids. It feels especially creepy when you are looking for football info in their twitter/facebook communications and you see non-football messages about high school drama, fights with their girlfriends, etc.
by C98 on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I feel the same way. Sure didn’t work against Texas though.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Jan 17, 2012 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
LOL, no way
but that would fit with the recent trend.
Finally...a well written article about the situation
http://www.bearinsider.com/news/story.php?article=1713
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by CalBear949 on Jan 17, 2012 12:26 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
much better than gorcey's version
which amounted to “[insert name that you blame for Cal’s underachieving], throw under the bus on its’ way to Udub.”
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 17, 2012 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Some of that stuff really ticks me off
it’s pretty irresponsible and rumor mongering at this point.
Also where the heck is your loyalty? Why would you put more gasoline on the fire right now?
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Because Gorcey has to sell subscriptions to stay employed
And a good narrative (even if erroneous) sells more subscriptions.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe it’s just me but I much rather prefer a well thought out and balanced piece than rumor mongering.
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Well, just judging from the direction news is going these days, seems like the latter does more selling…
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure how he’s being irresponsible. We know where at least some of the sourcing is coming from. Seems to me if former players are giving him information regarding a partial motive for the biggest college football story of the day, he’s pretty much obligated to write about it. Seems more irresponsible to ignore it.
What am I missing?
It also seems like if there’s blame to be given for rumor mongering or disloyalty, it’s got to go to Donovan, Tepper, and whatever other sources are talking this up.
Because at best it's rumor mongering
Unless he spoke with Tosh and he told him about why he left, then it’s pure speculation.
Everything in the article was about what Cal did to Tosh (bad) and what they wouldn’t give him. Not about how the offer was really good and that Tosh made a decision to leave.
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I think it’s fair that his characterization in the article was tending toward biased. And I certainly agree that McGill’s article was very good.
I guess I’m still not sure it’s bad reporting to print what former players are saying.
It's irresponsible
heck for all we know, Tosh really likes salmon and that’s why he went to UW.
It’s basically the journalistic equivalent to yelling fire in a crowded theater.
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its not the reporting that i disliked, it was the tone in which it was carried out.
Gorcey is very opinionated…
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 17, 2012 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
This is a MUST READ
You have to feel good about the quality kids that are coming in this next class, not just from a football standpoint but from how grounded and mature they sound.
Bottom line, Cal is a destination, one of the best universities in the world. And it might be hard for some of these top-talent kids to see what is coming down the road, but I can assert from personal experience that going to Cal set the foundation for a very good life.
I love that we are getting some really solid young men. If we get the ones that are wavering, all the better, but it is best for all of us that the kids who come really want to be here.
Middle-aged toothwrangler (HT: Kodiak)
by 1988goldenbear on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm out guys
had to stay up and enter some billing time (still not done)
Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day…probably not…probably learn that the new facility and Memorial stadium burned to the ground. Even then, I would still be a Cal fan (just a sadder one)
Go Bears!
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moving on to acceptance
Tosh has done some great things for us, and helped make Cal relevant in the recruiting map, but we need to accept what’s done is done. It feels like ages ago the glee we all felt at the Army game, and it will be a long two weeks until signing day. It’s a shame that recruits get exposed to the business side of things so early but we’re in the big leagues now, and we have to be confident that the recruits we are meant to have – the classy young men who strives for academic and athletic excellence – will still be with us at the end. Perhaps Tosh feels that with the completion of the SAHPC and the new stadium he is ready to move on to bigger and better things. The man’s got a family to feed, and that’s a lot of money. Considering how we did last year and a poor bowl game I can’t imagine that we’d be able to throw that much money around. We’ve got Kline, Treggs, and many more who will step up. So despair not and hope for the best.
It's not THAT big of a deal folks
If we treat it like the end of the world, why wouldn’t we expect some 2.3 GPA recruit to think any differently.
-Tedford is still our coach.
-Gould, Michalczik, et al are still our coaches
-The new Memorial is still our home
-We’re still in Berkeley, CA
-Berkelium is still element 97
-The Play was still the greatest play in the history of organized sports
-Kidd and Rodgers still wore the blue and gold
-Top Dog and Steve’s BBQ are still open
-Most importantly, the great Leon Litwack still taught my History 7B course and Scheckman and Tjian taught me molecular and cell biology
Meh.
I’m over Top Dog, to be quite honest with you. I enjoy it every now and then, but meh.
Smell that...?
Scent of bridge burning. This guy goes from a great local story of Loyalty, Passion and Principle to just another of many "what’s in it for me" people. He can and will be replaced—but he will never be able to replace the TRUST he attempted to peddle on behalf of a great school and team!
Once Sarkisian takes UW down the SC sanction path—Lupoi will probably just bounce around from program to program with less and less ability to peddle what we now know to be BS.
I would bet he never sets foot in a Cal facility again.
Hopefully recruits of the future will choose Cal for the right reasons—Team, Education, Opportunity…not to mention a chance to define the legacy of a brand new $100MM stadium and athletic facility for generations to come.
One Certainty: Cal football will continue to one of the premiere programs in the country!!!
by BluCoast on Jan 17, 2012 7:34 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I'll take you up on that bet
He’ll set foot in Memorial Stadium this fall, hopefully as the Bears beat the snot out of his new team.
Can we get the Berkeley City Council to ban Tosh from the City Limits?
They seem to pass crazy ordinances all the time. This would be one I’d actually support.
by Oski4Heisman on Jan 18, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry if this has already been posted, but Cedric Dozier made these comments, posted in Husky Football Blog this morning:
“He’s a good man. From everything that I saw, chilling with him and stuff, it was like, ’he’s a cool dude.’ I like him a lot. He’s a big reason why I did commit to the University of California. But for me, I had already gotten experience talking to older guys. They told me, ‘never commit because of a coach.’ The same thing happened. My commitment to the University of California, it wasn’t because of just Tosh Lupoi. It was because of a lot of things. That was just one factor. He’s good man. I wish him the best.”
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 17, 2012 7:46 AM PST reply actions
Really liking this kid…
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 17, 2012 7:54 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Arik out?
He tweeted at 10:50am today that his “tops” are “cal oregon notre dame auburn”
So you’re sayin’ there’s a chance!
Classes started last week at UO
AA isn’t coming up here.
Ellis McCarthy...may change mind again....
As I said in another post three days ago. I know the family, they will play all sides until the last possible minute.
so kiseau to uw is happening?? what the heck? i hope we don’t lose our monster wr recruiting class.
whose domicile? our domicile!
by hardtobecalfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:30 AM PST reply actions
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