BREAKING NEWS: Cal DLine Coach Tosh Lupoi To Join Washington Husky Staff
by TwistNHook on Jan 16, 2012 11:43 AM PST
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Tosh Lupoi has been named defensive line coach and defensive run game coordinator at Washington, Husky head coach Steve Sarkisian announced today.
Lupoi comes to Washington from California where he spent the last four years as defensive line coach.
"Coach Lupoi is a terrific young coach and a dynamic recruiter," Sarkisian said. "He will have an immediate impact with our team both on the field and in recruiting."
Lupoi was the youngest full-time coach in Cal history when he joined the staff at the age of 26 in 2008 and remained the youngest Pac-10 coach for two additional seasons. In all, he was associated with Cal football for 12 years having spent six as a Golden Bear player (2000-05, including an extra season due to the granting of a medical redshirt), two as a graduate assistant (2006-07) and four as defensive line coach.
This seems like the opposite of good.
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Why would he do this?
exactly the same level of coaching?
Fear that our great recruiting class just went away.
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I could totally be wrong
but I cannot imagine that Cal couldn’t pony up an offer close to that. Tedford basically entrusted the guy with all his top recruits.
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I know the athletic department has been strapped for cash
But I find it difficult to believe that the school couldn’t find 350k out of the 10+ million they’d be receiving in the new Pac-12 media deal.
This
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I’m sure some divide with Tedford played into this, but I don’t think he would’ve left Cal just because of the HC (given his ties and all)
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Think a little broader
Like how paying an assistant coach (not a coordinator) affects the salary structure of the entire coaching staff. And how it would be received by:
(1) Faculty and Staff
(2) Alumni who contribute to the academic side of the house
(3) Administration
(4) Students
(5) the Board of Regents
to say nothing of the public when state support for the academic side of the university is dropping and looks to be threatened even more with the warning that more budget cuts are coming.
Seriously. What were the realistic choices?
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by FiatSlug on Jan 16, 2012 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
As a public school teacher as well as a Cal Alum, I agree...
…my wife, a school principal, seeing my reaction to the initial news, reminded me of how bad it seems to be a in Washington State public school, seeing the news that a public university in the state has the cash to pay 1/2 a million dollars to a football assistant coach…
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Hey, we thought about it and we're OK with it.
Expect more of this . . . actually not trying to be harsh, it’s just that the Pac-12 is stepping up in the coaching competition.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 12:20 AM PST up reply actions
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 11:45 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
this SUCKS
How can you not love a team who does this?
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Don't understand the appeal
If it’s just money, we can pony up.
Talk about “loyalty” and “building a family”. This is going to devastate recruiting.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 11:46 AM PST reply actions
Rumored $500k + addition of defensive run game coordinator duties.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but Tosh is no SAHPC
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Also
I hope that the players will see what BS Lupoi was selling them and blame him, not the program.
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Cheap advice; don't do it. Don't get mad or sad, get even!
Open your own wallet and go take a great young coach from Stanford, the Big-1? or the SEC.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
So who is to blame for this massive furk up?
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 11:47 AM PST reply actions
turkey
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
What sucks is we'll never get solid details
I want to now what the fuck Cal Berkeley is doing? How can you let this kind of talent slip away? Make no sense whatsoever.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 11:48 AM PST reply actions
Welp, that sucks. Oh well.
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by norcalnick on Jan 16, 2012 11:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions
WTF iogrhjhfghjfhjdflkhdfgdflkg
arghhhhhhh! Will the class fall apart now? Someone hire Follett ASAP
I was hopeful of a return to the top of the conference in the coming years.
Now, I’m afraid our uptick will be stillborn. That sucks.
This makes me think badly of Lupoi
this is a total backstab on Cal and Tedford. He couldn’t even wait until LOI day.
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I don't think that
It is football, this happens in football. I do seriously question why we couldn’t match their offer!
by chowder on Jan 16, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I do
because of his preaching of “family” and “loyalty”.
Seriously:
Lupoi was the youngest full-time coach in Cal history when he joined the staff at the age of 26 in 2008 and remained the youngest Pac-10 coach for two additional seasons. In all, he was associated with Cal football for 12 years having spent six as a Golden Bear player (2000-05, including an extra season due to the granting of a medical redshirt), two as a graduate assistant (2006-07) and four as defensive line coach.
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In any other field
It is expected young talented professionals accept new positions to move forward and up. This situation is no different.
by chowder on Jan 16, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
but then I can think bad of him.
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true, but other people don’t have emotional attachments to their other’s jobs like they do in sports.
In any business and profession there is a right way and a wrong way to leave your job. Timing your departure so that it will do the maximum possible harm to the employer you are leaving is never the right way.
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by CalBear81 on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
there's no good time for Tosh to leave
Leaving now potentially harms Cal’s recruiting class. But leaving after LOI day means he was deceiving those recruits.
He’s in a no-win situation.
He wins by staying at Cal!
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
He should have left well before LOI day, or stayed through the season. That might be inconvenient for him, but it would have been right. Sure, in the business world many people act without integrity, just as in the sports world many people act without integrity. That does not make it right, and I, for one, do not respect such people.
Of course, the point can be made that the UW offer might not have made until right before LOI day, and that it might not be there if he waited until after the season. But all that means is that UW is also without integrity. If I received a job offer from a new employer that was contingent on me screwing my current employer, I would not accept it, because an employer who wants me to screw someone else will be more than willing to screw me when it decides that’s in its interest.
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by CalBear81 on Jan 16, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Especially if it's an employer
that gave me my start and help me to be where we are today.
That’s why people give two-week notices.
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“Well before LOI day” is kind of during the season.
That’s why people give two-week notices.
Seeing as how the complaints are that he’s leaving two weeks before LOI day, this may not be the best example?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
That’s not even close.
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It helps to elaborate on your point and provide supporting evidence/examples. I’m just not seeing why you’re so offended by this move. I completely understand not being happy about it, as you root for Cal football and this is not a good thing for Cal football, but you seem to think there was some fundamental problem with this move, and so far, I’m just not seeing where you’re coming from. People leave one job for another that offers a significant raise all the time. I know I’d love a job offer for 3x what I’m making now. What’s wrong with taking that?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
If you look below (and elsewhere) in this post.
you will see that I have no problems with him taking more money. I have a lot of problems of how he left the program. Burning of bridges is not the approach I enjoy, especially one involving the program and boss who help me become the person that I am to get that offer.
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Ok, so what has he done to burn these bridges you speak of?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
the timing isn’t great but that can’t be helped. If the rumors of sneaking out without saying anything to anyone or that he didn’t give Cal a chance to counter the offer are true, that would be more troubling.
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by Fire Starkey on Jan 16, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
I agree. That remains to be seen, though. Let’s not come to any snap judgment before we really have the facts.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
agree on those points but now he’s trying to pull recruits he brought to Cal to UW!?!
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by Fire Starkey on Jan 16, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. It will be a lot more interesting if no recruits follow him there…
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
also
doing it while Tedford was out of town.
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Just to be clear – are you saying that Tosh was recruiting for UW while on a recruiting visit for Cal? Or just that you find it objectionable to try to steal Shaq away even after he took the UW job?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
the former. since he hadn’t accepted the job from UW, he was still working (and being paid) by Cal. To then suggest to the recruit he should come visit him at UW is very bad form.
I agree that’s very bad form if it happened. From the info we have, though, it appears he didn’t talk to Syd about a visit on behalf of UW until after he took the UW job, so it’s at least a little different than that.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Would you be upset if our head coach left two weeks before a BCS bowl?
Granted, people have too much emotion wrapped up in this and professional sports. But it’s fairly reasonable to feel wronged.
Well, yes, I would be unhappy with any coach that left during the season. That’s kind of the point. Leaving after the season means you’re leaving in the few weeks before LOI day. There’s no way around it.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
I’d claim recruiting season WAS Tosh’s season. Losing him mid-year would have been easier to bear. Either way, I’m not bombing on him, just trying to explain some of the frustration of other fans.
I completely understand the frustration, just trying to help direct it in the right direction. Towards the Huskies!
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
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by Berkelium97 on Jan 16, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Saw that, I’m actually curious to wait and see how things look a couple weeks from now on that front. With how quickly things move these days, I could at least potentially see a situation where the info just gets out too quickly for him to tell everyone beforehand. I would hope Tosh would talk to people like the current dlineman about it at some point. Leave in a classy way. We will see.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
You’re kidding right? You don’t think Tosh could call each of his players? send at least a quick email? He’s no different than ASU’s new coach…
We have a word for people like this. Mercenary.
I don’t “think” anything. I have very little idea what Tosh has been doing the last 24 hours. I don’t know what the situation is exactly, so I’ll withhold judgment until I know more.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
well you do know
- he has accepted a job at a conference rival
- according to his current players he did not contact them
- he tried to poach a current Cal recruit while being paid by Cal
how much more do you need to know?
- he tried to poach a current Cal recruit while being paid by Cal
This one seems particularly bad
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This one doesn’t sound like an accurate description of what happened to me. Are we going solely on the idea that Tosh told him he’s considering the UW job last night, or is there more?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
And then there were posts after… and an odd silence. I joined this party late today so the flow of the thread doesn’t always lend itself to a clear timeline.
you seem particularly aggrieved by my grievance with MB.
We don’t know Missing Barry’s take at this point, if any, but he was posting some admirable, sensible shit in the midst of a flurry of rampant speculative nonsense. The comment format here makes the flow of posts very confusing to analyze after the fact, yet you are insisting on arguing with ghosts.
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- he tried to poachafour current Cal recruits while being paid by Cal
Fixed.
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2 of the 4 are 2013 guys so I have no issue with that. Payton and Shaq though… dicey.
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by Fire Starkey on Jan 17, 2012 6:29 AM PST up reply actions
They couldnt even learn about it from a Cal site!!! We clearly aren’t doing a good job,.
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that's just silly ...
The UW was trying to fill a position as quickly as possible after it was vacated from a house cleaning/firing of their entire defensive coaching staff.. They pursued Lupoi and they got him. To claim that they should have waited until after the season (didn’t the season just end?) or “well before LOI” day in order to retain your mythical bar of “integrity” is bizarrely nonsensical.
This is naturally the time when football coaches and assistants are poached away … after the season ends fires and hires are made immediately, if they are going to be made at all. It’s not like Cal was blindsided, and Lupoi had to have given Tedford a chance to retain him.
Teddy obviously feels that he can succeed without him.
reading somewhere else, Tosh had thought of this last year, when his position coach @Cal, Justin Wilcox was considered a DC for texas. It was learned that he would only leave Cal if he was offered an additional title = leading to a pay raise. None was forthcoming. Wilcox had left Cal to become DC @Boise State, then became DC @tennessee last year. udub (sark) house cleaned the defense coaches and hired Wilcox as DC. Sark offered $500 Million, D-line coach and the additional title. I also think he wanted to rejoin Wilcox. He was deciding about his decision as late as last night.
$500 million? Jesus Christ that’s a lot of money!
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Tosh Lupoi
Are you kidding me with this bs about waiting until after LOI day before leaving or pursuing a new hire. Why not step up and take care of your coaches if they are that important to your success? Happy with Tedford?
by UWDAWGDEFENDER on Jan 16, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Clueless
UW under Sark vs your Savior from Oregon. 3 years in we are a lot further along then the boys in Berkely are after how many years of the Turd? Are you happy? Can’t wait until Sark & Lupoi start flipping your 2112 recruits. Good Luck!
by UWDAWGDEFENDER on Jan 16, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
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His name isn’t clueless, dude. It’s actually dumbass. GET IT RIGHT!
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I thoguht it was Mr. Dumbass DDS?
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1s 3 seasons of Tedford @ Cal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1st 3 seasons of Sark @ UW
We will see how Sark is doing if he makes it to 10 seasons at UW.
I guess we should just ignore that fact.
By Tedford 3rd season we went 10-2 and should have went to the Rose
We were within 10 yards of beating USC but let’s all forget that.
Sark is 10x the coach that Tedford is and ever will be!!!!
Shit, I am not even as big of a “Tedhead” as I used to be but this is just fucking dumb homer shit.
Hey, don't think you'll find many Husky fans
calling Tedford a bad coach; quite the reverse . . . he’s clearly a problem for us.
We respect him so much we’d like a piece of what he’s built . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
Are you a UW Dawg fan?
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Different how?
Not different at all. Opportunity knocked and he answered. UW Alumni were willing to pay, the boys in Berkely were not. Simple as that!
by UWDAWGDEFENDER on Jan 16, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Read much? I just told you. Timing. ‘81 said it best. You don’t understand. Or probably ever will. It’s why you’re a Huskie backer and I root for Cal. I would never offer you a job.
Timing
Come on do you really think UW should have waited until after LOI day to find a replacement? I know your not Standford smart but your smarter than that, right? Get a clue.
by UWDAWGDEFENDER on Jan 16, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
Well eye no eye will never bee Standford smart, butt eye certainly hope two bee as smart as ewe!
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Would you offer me a job?
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I would imagine it differed right where fiatlux said it differed.
particularly where it concerns the timing
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously
Cal is not in a position to be paying half a million dollars to a position assistant these days. I would actually be appalled if we did. The University has more important priorities for that kind of money.
That's is so short sighted
you pay for talent…just like getting a good professor will help you get more fame and grants, keeping your top recruiters helps you to make more money from football…guess where all that extra money goes? To the University!
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Actually, it goes to support the non-profitable sports programs.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Which means
less money from from the University needed to fund those sports.
Not to mention the memorabilia sales.
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because it’s not.
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I don’t think Cal should spend $500,000 on a position coach. It’s not reasonable. It’s just another piece of evidence that college football has become the NFL minor leagues where money rules everything. I support Sandy if she nixed that price for Tosh. UW is a public school, and they have to justify massive salaries, too. I wonder how that will go, when they come to the University of Washington asking for more money.
by paleodan on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's short sided
500K for Tosh will come back at least 2 fold in football revenue.
You couldn’t buy the publicity Cal got from the Army game last week.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 16, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
We could end up hiring another DL coach who adds a lot of value too. Can’t forget the opportunity costs! Just have to wait and see, I guess
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
You’re imputing emotion and morality judgments where there should be none. The salary of football coaches at all levels have gone up because successful coaches make up for it in success and ticket sales. It’s fairly simple economics. It is neither good nor bad.
It’s interesting thinking about whether he’s worth the money or not and I’m willing to accept both arguments. For me, he’s not worth it as a coach, however, it might have been worth $350K to avoid this PR disaster.
To evaluate his worth only on his responsibilities as a "coach" is incomplete ...
The responsibility is recruiting is just as important if not more to the qualifications of a college coach today. In assessing whether Lupoi is worth the additional 350k annually as a coach, this must be also considered as well. The 2010 Rivals.com Recruiter of the Year award confirmed what many coaches in the conference had long already knew. When it came to recruiting Tosh had no rival. His ability to land Cal top 5 star recruits across the country in spite of its mediocre success on the field was unrivaled.
In this sense I’m not sure how anyone can claim the wasn’t worth the extra 350k a year as a coach/recruiter. He made a discernible difference in the talent level that he brought to Cal, which positively affects the bottom line W/L record.
If Teddy can’t win with what Lupoi brought him, I’m not sure how he expects to compete now.
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I believe it is reasonable, CalBear949.
You might disagree with it, but it is clearly not unreasonable. And, thus, it is reasonable.
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you REALLY must stop referring your wedding day.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
Smell that...?
Scent of bridge burning. This guy goes from a great local story of Loyalty, Passion and Principle to just another of many “what’s in it for me” people. He can and will be replaced—but he will never be able to replace the TRUST he attempted to peddle on behalf of a great school and team!
Once Sarkisian takes UW down the SC sanction path—Lupoi will probably just bounce around from program to program with less and less ability to peddle what we now know to be BS.
I would bet he never sets foot in a Cal facility again.
Hopefully recruits of the future will choose Cal for the right reasons—Team, Education, Opportunity…not to mention a chance to define the legacy of a brand new $100MM stadium and athletic facility for generations to come.
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Ugh..
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by ieeeBear on Jan 16, 2012 11:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
That doesn’t mean he’s going to change his mind.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Recruiting is a strange business. I get that there’s a lot of anger represented in this comment thread, but Lupoi leaving doesn’t automatically put every recruit in play… and there was still plenty of wrangling to be done over the next couple of weeks regardless of whether he stayed or left.
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Aziz Shittu:
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See, in the end I don’t really care how we feel. The recruits who felt like they were joining a family… my heart is broken for them.
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by cldpc on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why before LOI day?
Arik if you are reading this, Clancy Pendergast was the one that coached in the Superbowl (is he still with us?)
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by bringbackbuddytrees on Jan 16, 2012 11:50 AM PST reply actions
because it would be a d*ck move to lie to a recruit saying you will be there for the next 4 years only to bail AFTER they have signed the LOI and are stuck at Cal. it gives the recruits the time to re-evaluate whether they chose Cal for the program and university as a whole or to play for Tosh.
"Attending Washington State is great preparation for real life. It teaches you not to expect too much."
Honestly
The butts Lupoi would put in the stands by attracting top notch players is worth the raise he received.
by chowder on Jan 16, 2012 11:52 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I really need to know whether this is a Cal screwup
or a Lupoi walk.
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Teddy was in Sacto over the weekend
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
This makes me feel even worse about Lupoi
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Tedford had an in-home with Steven Moore
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
This makes me hate Sacramento even more.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
It has to be a Cal screwup. I can’t imagine he didn’t give Cal a chance to match UW’s offer – and what UW offered, he’s worth. Big Cal screwup, I can’t see it any other way.
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Sure looks that way to us. All 'indications' we had were that Tosh wanted to stay,
and Sark / UW just kept increasing the offer and the the title. A Kitchen Sink deal.
UW blogs joke that a boat was added to the deal so he could commute to the stadium from his new Lakefront home . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I guess it's going to be back to Cal football as normal.
It was nice having Shaq & McCarthy for a week. And I wish Arik and Aziz the best of luck where ever they end up.
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Yep
I would not be surprised if we drop from top ten to out of the top 25. DOOM DOOM DOOM
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Wait and see, no need to panic just yet. Long term, is what concerns me more.
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Oh I am definitely in full out panic mode
He was our shining star. Our young prodigy. EVERY recruit loved him.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
i trying to decide if i should smash in the panic button…still holding out hope that they’ve jumped the gun…
We should get crunk now then panic again tomorrow!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Can we get hyphy instead?
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This is the most lawyerly thing ever!
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i trying to decide if i should smash in the panic button
You should SMANG IT.
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smash it & bang it
ooooo i really hope that that ain’t true
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Am somewhat surprised at very strong local reaction.
You still have Tedford and a LOT of talent on your squad.
Stanford won’t be as strong next year and maybe even OR slows a step after losing DAT & DT.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Are you aware of the recruiting class Cal was about to land? In addition to the listed commits Rivals has right now (which includes guys like Payton/Dozier/Shaq), it looked like a good bet that Cal was going to land Armstead/Shittu/McCarthy, and was a serious contender for top recruits like Diggs, Hamilton, Yuri Wright, DJ Foster, Thomas Johnson, Markuss Eligwe, David Perkins, Joey O’Connor….this move looks like it could derail a historic recruiting class for Cal. Having returning talent is obviously a good thing, but losing incoming talent is still something worth being disappointed about.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone have anyone inside Cal with info on this.
This is so devastating.
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Theres a guy I often see at Cal events wearing a Tosh Lupoi jersey. Looks to be a real jersey. Ive seen him a trillion times in the same jersey year in and year out.
I wonder what THAT guy thinks about all this.
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I see that guy everywhere....
I use to work as a valet on college in Rockridge, and he would always be riding by on his bike.
If you see him today, can you get his thoughts on this move?
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I would, if I didn’t live basically in Oregon.
by Flag Guy on Jan 16, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Guy in Tosh's CAL Jersey
He is mentally challenged…Each evening he would attend practice and cheer for the players…One night after practice, Tosh just took his jersey off and gave it to him…In addition Tosh supported and paid for other mentally, challenged and handicapped individuals tickets so they could attend CAL games…Tosh was very quiet about helping those to whom his heart went out, and, only because you asked I am replying…
Please don’t take this individual, wearing this jersey, as as someone trying to be glib…
I am sure has no idea about how we ‘able’ folks do things or think them through…Before we judge…
Good kind of dominoes I hope...
https://twitter.com/brycetreggs/status/159000734745104384
Tosh leaving has no affect on my recruitment. I’m still solid with Cal. #calgang
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by ieeeBear on Jan 16, 2012 11:56 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This’ll affect our recruits on defense much more.
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by ch0ster on Jan 16, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I am hoping that
the recruits will look beyond Tosh. I know he was the guy who lead the charge but hopefully they will see everything else.
WTF am I saying, these are HS kids.
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Wow, Treggs' is the man...
https://twitter.com/brycetreggs/status/159002032781529088
Cal’s ranking as the #1 public university in the world can’t leave and go to another school.
https://twitter.com/brycetreggs/status/159001280214343680
No disrespect to Coach Lupoi though. He was a great coach and a even better person.
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by ieeeBear on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Treggs is a legacy
He was probably coming here in any case.
For all the monumental things Tosh has contributed to the Cal program, the timing of this departure feels like a stab in the back.
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
This
very much this.
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Most likely they told Tosh that the offer wouldn’t be available Feb 1. It’s a pretty common employer tactic.
Then you wait.
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I expected every dirty weasel move imaginable when they hired USC scumbag Sarkisian
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Well..
If he did that, then he’d be stabbing the recruits in the back. That might hurt his recruiting cred down the line.
I hate it, but I don’t think he can’t be completely blamed as long as he was communicating with Cal along the way.
No
I mean you wait for another offer next year.
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Huge stab in the back
So vicious, I’ve almost forgotten all the good things he did for Cal
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Completely a backstab and a negative recruiting tactic.
UDUB has really been moving up my ladder of hate for years now. This one solidifies it.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t see this as a “stab in the back”. That’s a bit much, wait until you see how this plays out. He’s not a serf, he has a right to pursue his own ambitions.
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by Cugel on Jan 16, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's a complete stab in the back
He can go whereever he wants.
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But Alabama wasn’t offering. Also, it sort of always works this way, because recruiting is very regional; he’s most valuable to other Pac-12 programs. Sucks, but that’s the truth.
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Again
he can go whereever he wants…it’s his right. But it’s a complete and total backstab.
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It's all about the timing
If he switches after signing day, not problem.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
So…what is the “right” time to make this move? If he switches after signing day, he just sold a bunch of recruits on the idea that they’ll be playing for him, and then left after they’re committed. Sure, it might work out better for Cal, but it’s easy to see that as screwing the recruits.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You wait
until the next recruiting year.
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So when is that, exactly? And how does that fit in with when jobs tend to become available?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Probably right after the end of the regular season, when round 1 of the firings start, or right after bowl season. But I’m not sure that there are many times when coaches aren’t out recruiting, and they probably don’t line up well with the playing season.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Yeah my thoughts are that job openings are most common right after the season concludes…and….well, that’s the few weeks before LOI day.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Off season then.
I can’t imagine a WORSE time than two weeks before LOI day.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
A worse time for who, exactly? Are you just thinking of this from the perspective of Cal, or are you considering every player involved – Cal, Tosh, and the kids he recruits?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I’m thinking about every player involved. How do you go around, recruiting kids all offseason, and then right before they commit, leave them hanging? I don’t understand how you can say that he’s just doing a business move.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he’s not going to leave them hanging. He’s going to start selling them on how “awesome” UW is and how they should join him there.
Something tells me recruits won’t buy what’s he selling for a little while.
by minesweeper on Jan 16, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I think they will. Great recruiters are great salesmen. That hasn’t changed. He now how a clear weakness to recruit against for a year or two, but soon enough it’ll be the distant past as far as recruiting goes and he’ll be fine. He might lose the Cal family/blue and gold through-and-through angle, but he’ll figure it out.
maybe
but he better change his sales pitch.
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All he has to do is build a semi-believable narrative as to why he left when he did. This is a pretty easy job.
“It killed me to leave Cal, I truly believe in my alma mater, but what kind of example would I set to my family as well the young men I work with, if I didn’t push myself to improve?”
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
But that’s always the case, any time. It’s also a business too. It’s sucks for us, but I can’t hate him for taking 3 times the pay.
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I can't hate him for taking 3 times the pay
I can dislike him for backstabbing the man and program who gave him a chance and to do it as harmful as possible.
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It’s a business move insofar as UW planned it to have big impact. Regardless, I do see the point of view that earlier is better as far as being fair to the kids he recruited.
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Then HE's being used....
……yes, it’s for a lot more money, but he could have waited and gone some place else more ethical for just as much, if Cal weren’t willing to match (or partially match). Washington is at least as interested in screwing us over as getting a good recruiter.
Because that’s when job changes happen. He didn’t leave the recruits hanging – they still have a couple weeks to re-evaluate things and change their mind if they want to. It might not be ideal for them, but it’s better than the day before LOI day, or after they’ve already signed their LOI and can’t go elsewhere. And then for Tosh, realistically, this is when jobs are available. Waiting doesn’t seem like a very prudent move to me – all the jobs will be gone if he waits.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
From MY point of view! What’s more important? Name ONE thing more important, Missing Barry???
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Barry Larkin making the Hall of Fame. Obvious answer.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
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It would have been best just two or three weeks ago, right after the bowl game. But UW probably didn’t offer Tosh all of the money until we heard about it three days ago. The timing of this announcement was UW’s idea to ruin our class.
H*ll, this negotiation went on for awhile, with the dollars ratcheting up
Betcha Wilcox called the day after he got his offer . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
It’s more than just the timing of Signing Day. It’s also the fact he seemingly left without notice (corroborated by Gabe King’s tweet).
I can honestly say I’ve passed up career opportunities because it wouldn’t have been fair to my employer to leave under those circumstances and I did feel my loyalty was more important.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
to hell with Lupoi
That backstabbing son of a bitch can go straight to the 9th circle of Hell.
And to hell with Washington. I hope we curbstomp those scum this fall.
by sacman701 on Jan 16, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
really
This was unforgivable. You’ve been making excuses for Lupoi all day. The guy has one priority, and that’s money.
What excuses have I made for him? As far as I can recall, my points have been this: first, it’s understandable to leave a job for another that’s offering you a heck of a lot more money. Second, fans should withhold judgment before they get all the facts. For example, it’s going to look pretty silly of you to say it’s unforgivable when Tosh returns to Cal as d-coordinator under Wilcox. That’s pure speculation on my part, which is kind of the point – you see where speculation gets us?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
I think you might be conflating the Huskies with the Minnesota Vikings there, fiatlux.
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That’s the kind of reaction I can support!
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Just to be clear on my own thoughts – I’m very unhappy that Tosh is departing, and I think there’s a definite chance it went down in a very not classy way. As of now, my anger is directed towards UW.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
And for me to be clear… I 100%(!!!) don’t begrudge anyone for leaving if it is right for them and they can make a lot more money. I am not liking how this looks like it went down. I actually don’t begrudge UW for coming after him… I think it’s classless, so typically UW, and sort of pathetic… but it’s certainly well within their right to do.
For a guy that "bleeds blue and gold"
looks like he cares more about green…
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by FrankCohen on Jan 16, 2012 11:57 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
it really sucks, but honestly he’s trying to further his career. we just got the infinitesimally short end of the stick.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Further his career by making a lateral move?
It was all about the money :(
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Let’s not go crazy here. He’s not furthering his career at all, he’s taken the same position at a worse program. He’s feathering his nest, which is absolutely his right and possibly his duty, insofar as his family goes.
I think he is furthering his career, he’s only ever been one place before, you need to demonstrate that you can be successful in more than one location to really leverage your value.
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this is true. in the aerospace industry, you jump between the same three companies for subsequent raises and promotions. that’s just the way it is
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Plus down the line, I could see moving a round a bit being an asset for Tosh if he wants to become a head coach in the future. Having relationships with as many other coaches as possible is a good thing for a HC…
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Uh...
They beat us; they almost won their bowl game; maybe he feels the program is run better at U-Wub? Or maybe he just likes rain.
Solid decision for recruits, but if they already bought into the program, they should concern themselves with whether one person changes everything.
::curlsinfetalpositionwantinghope::
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 11:58 AM PST reply actions
A lesson for the recruits
Lupoi may be elsewhere, but there is no guarantee that somebody is going to be there for the duration. Look at the turnover in the Pac-12 the last couple of years. Odds are you are not going to graduate with the same coaches who recruited you at whatever school you’re at.
Looking forward to getting Tosh back next year.
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by CALumbus Bear on Jan 16, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
FIRE EVERYBODY.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
by BeastMode on Jan 16, 2012 11:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions 7 recs
Even me?
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I HATE TOSH SO MUCH RIGHT NOW!
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But especially Bart!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Former linebacker to coach o-line?
Not a good idea if you ask me.
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Well, he was also a rush LB, so the fundamentals/responsibilities do at least overlap to some degree.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
NOT SO FAAAAAAST?
John Breech
@thereadytim My understanding (not fact) is Cal could match. Trying to get a statement from the University now.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 PM PST reply actions
didn’t that one other coach get sacked cuz he gave part of his salary to an asst coach?
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Should be able to meet or exceed 500K
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by HeyAlumniGo on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully UW announced prematurely
And Tosh is pissed. So with a match he’ll stay and we can all hate UW together.
If UW did announce prematurely we were all successfully trolled!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
It’s all part of a plan!
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
No way.
There is no way UW let this one slip out prematurely. It’s a done deal.
by Bears916 on Jan 16, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Unless
they’re uber-dicks and wanted to throw a wrench in recruiting no matter what.
(I’m grasping out straws here, I know)
Is there a tampering rule in the NCAA? There’s no way that UW announces this unless they have a signed contract.
Whoever is Breech’s source sounds a little behind the curve here.
by minesweeper on Jan 16, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Wow! What's up w/ conspiricay theory? We're overjoyed to get Tosh,
we’re not playing it out as a game . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
I wish this were true, but I highly doubt it.
Plus, it’s already a blemish on Lupoi’s integrity that he would leave without notice. I can’t imagine our players (e.g., Gabe King) could look at him the same if he were to return.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Tedford w/o Tosh's recruiting?
Yikes. I am guessing that Tosh was worried about stability in Tedford’s status but when you recruit like he does. He probably got close to seven figures if not more which is a lot for a 20-something non-coordinator coach and hard to pass but his obvious value is way more than that. Oh boy. Tosh has done nothing but show loyalty to the program. At some point he had to do what was best for him. No reason to flame him. Hard to feel as hopeful for the future and hope that we can retain most of his class.
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by bringbackbuddytrees on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 PM PST reply actions
There is every reason to flame him.
Tosh has done nothing but show loyalty to the program
That’s BS…the program has done nothing but show loyalty to Tosh. Tosh’s stock only started rising the last few years and he took the first legit offer out.
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What's the rumor?
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No, we need more than this if we’re going to be throwing around JT rumors.
by Glanko on Jan 16, 2012 3:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You may be right, but this is worst than worthless
Where’s the basis for this rumor?
Further, can’t you see that this kind of rumor can only hurt Cal recruiting?
Even if it is true, why would you repeat or report it now, 16 days before LOI day?
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Maybe Michalczik should talk to Tosh about going to Washington and then leaving. Granted he left to be in the NFL but still…
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for Shaq Thompson
Hopefully Syd could remind him how great Cal could be, even without an ace recruiter?
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by joezissss on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Dear God...
Is this real? Its like my worst nightmare!!! WHAT THE HELL!
The lack of loyalty
to your school, the guy who gave you a chance, and to the recruits who you essentially lied to
is something I never would entertain. Money is important, but so is integrity. The timing is what is so disturbing.
by prd74 on Jan 16, 2012 12:03 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
This
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This
Never has my opinion of someone shifted so drastically in such a short period of time
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
THIS
Literally could not be worse. This is the kind of event that we should expect as Cal fans, but it still hurts. So badly.
by DavisBear12 on Jan 16, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
GIVE OCBEAR SOME SPACE!
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Rumors
I’ve been hearing from someone who dates a Cal coach that Tosh and other coaches really don’t like Tedford. This started a year ago, but Tosh stayed because his allegiance to Cal trumped it.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:05 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Leaving two weeks before LOI day
is about as big of a fuck you to Tedford imaginable.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
WTF
Tedford is the one that gave Tosh a chance…the guy is 29! How many 29 year coaches do you see on a college football side line. He gave Tosh the job at 26!
Tedford tabbed Lupoi to succeed Ken Delgado as defensive line coach in January 2008 after six straight winning seasons in Berkeley. Before the job landed in his lap at age 26, Lupoi played and coached under Delgado, who left for Louisville and now coaches at Eastern Michigan. Delgado had no doubts about his replacement.
During Lupoi’s time on the staff under Delgado, Tedford often slept in his office four nights a week. When the coach stumbled out in search of a late-night drink of water, Tedford usually noticed the kid. Still at work.
“You could tell it was a passion,” Tedford said. "I think some people who become [graduate assistants] are kind of searching, deciding if they really want to do it or not.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=6272961
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I get that he wanted to move up, but I don’t see how D line coach + “defensive run game coordinator” is really that much of a move up. I’m sure he’s tired of waiting, but it always seemed like he had a chance of moving on to DC at Cal sooner than later.
Its all about the money
Lets not kid ourselves…we thought Tosh bled blue and gold…guess money was more important
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
I know it’s easier said than proved, but A WHOLE LOT OF money would not bring me back to Seattle. I had better job opportunities up there. Bolted the second I graduated. Money is nice, happiness is better.
$500k buys a lot of full-spectrum light bulbs.
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Dude, for $500,000, I’d coach DLine for the Huskies.
Frankly, I’d coach DLine for the Huskies for half that!
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To be fair, it is money.
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Aziz Shittu @AzizShittu
WOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! The Game Just Changed
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:07 PM PST reply actions
I know they're 17/18 year olds
but I just don’t see how someone can blame this on Cal. If Tosh wants to walk and take more money else where fine but I would think it looks 50 times worse on Tosh.
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It’s not the recruits who are blaming this on Cal.
It’s the “fans” on other sites who are blaming Tedford and Sandy and hoping for Cal to lose after this.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hoping for Cal to lose?
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Sadly, yes
Saying Cal deserves to lose for the next few years because Tedford and Sandy let Tosh go.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Are these Cal fans or just internet randos?
Who would root for Cal to lose?!?!
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The neg-est of Negabears on a Cal message board that I won’t name.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Ted Miller said WHAT?!?!?
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He told me he’d call…
But he never did!
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Aziz Shittu @AzizShittu
I want to cryyyyyy
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:10 PM PST reply actions
Quick
Someone tweet him to this page!
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Assuming that a healthy number of our recruits decommit, not only do we obviously lose their talent, but we’re also probably going to end up with a really small class, which will also set us back.
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Maybe we can sell USC some of our unused scholarship.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 16, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I laughed at this.
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Worst news about Cal football in ages.
I’ll never give another dime to the program.
Why are you blaming the program?
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I would hope that Cal means more to you than one coach.
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by CalBear81 on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I think that’s simplifying things a bit. Tosh’s departure could reflect on the football program as a whole, depending on the actual reasons why he left, and whether or not Cal was able to (or could) match Washington’s offer.
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
But, it’s even more simplistic to say “Tosh leaves? No more money for football program!”
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Again, assuming that Cal somehow had a realistic and financially feasible opportunity to keep Tosh here and failed to do so, I don’t know if I’d want to contribute money to the program anymore either for such a significant mistake.
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Again, assuming that Cal somehow had a realistic and financially feasible opportunity to keep Tosh here and failed to do so
Where is that assumption from? Everything I’ve ever seen in the last few years about Cal Athletics has been that it’s broke. Plus, there’s only a finite amount of donation money out there, which has had to pay for SAHPC / Memorial.
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Right
This is why I want details. If it was possible to keep him and we didn’t…I’m pretty sure I’m done buying season tickets.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
That's logical.
I’m pretty sure not buying season tickets exacerbates the problem of Athletics NOT having money.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think ASTQB was saying that if they had the money, he’d quit buying tickets.
It’s logical from the point of view of no longer financially supporting an institution that ASTQB feels doesn’t properly allocate its funds. Although I don’t agree, it’s “logical” to stop giving money to them if you think they’re going to misuse it anyway.
Exactly
It’s tough because we’ll never know details. I want to know they are committed to winning and are at least trying. Tosh was the main evidence out program was going in the right direction…now?
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'm now contemplating
FULL REGIME CHANGE
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
What
you want Dan Guerrero to be your AD and have Slick Rick as your coach the past two years?
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Can I get a half regime change? I’m somewhat full right now.
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Even if it were true that Cal made a big mistake of some sort with Tosh, would that really enough to make you give up on Cal football forever? That seems to be a very extreme point of view. Cal made a much, much bigger mistake in letting Bruce Snyder get away in 1992, but I never stopped being a Cal fan.
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Come on, what could possibly be more simplistic than: Tosh leaves, so I’m never going to give another dime to Cal football.
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I could be more simplistic than that. I KNOW I CAN!
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I’m giving all my money to UCLA Academic programs.
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Payback!
Hopefully Tedford can rally the guys for the UDub game at Memorial.
11/2/2012 – Come out with fire and show Tosh what he left!!!
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Per Breech
According to @CalBearsBANG and @bcondotta, Tosh was making 164K at #Cal, now reportedly making 500K at Washington. Tripled his pay.
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Remember that Justin Wilcox was Tosh’s mentor…
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
It is unlikely...
….if all was right between Tosh and JT, that Cal would have had to make up the full difference, or even as much as half of it.
Really? If I’m 29, $170K is a shitload of money to me (that’s half the difference). Dude’s now making as much as DJax makes playing for the Eagles. That probably exceeds his wildest dreams for this time of his life by quite a lot.
Sure
but if Cal wanted to keep Tosh…I cannot imagine that they would have offered him substantially less…$300-$400K at the least.
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Right but....
$500 at UW or $380 or something at Cal………I’m just saying the difference is likely less than $320K to have made him stay….IF everything is cool between him and the coaches.
We are not considering booster money in this equation
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Have to say it
But I’d rather have Tosh as D-Line coach than a baseball team.
by chowder on Jan 16, 2012 12:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
THIS
This a million times!
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
If thats your stance
You can go get the money for his salary.
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by Joe Bandsmen on Jan 16, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
We did!
and we’ll keep baseball too . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm....
…..I actually supported the administration’s moves regarding the baseball team (both announcing the end of it as well as reinstating it when the alumni ponied up). Yet I have to disagree. Any program is more important than any person.
by ososdeoro on Jan 16, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
XD Me too, but that’s because I hate baseball.
Regardless, I don’t think Tosh can return to Cal for the time being. The reports of him leaving without telling the staff or telling his players says a lot about his integrity. I doubt the players could trust him again.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
I struggle to disagree with this as much as it deserves to be disagreed with. I want to disagree with this more than I currently disagree with it, but I cannot. And that is frustrating to me, because I want, nay I NEED, to disagree with this more.
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There’s a small chance that in Tedford worrying about Lupoi leaving, that he had someone in mind. I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope that whoever he brings in is a gamechanger… err… game-status-quo-keeper
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Think Follett definitely has the potential to be a dynamic recruiter
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
I imagine him running into recruits' homes and yelling PAIN TRAIN!!!!
WOO WOOO!!!!
by jali on Jan 16, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
keep on playing the ainge hit all day long!
by j.lee on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ed Orgeron
I just threw up in my mouth a little
he is a tall and burly man
But there’s no way that Tedford would take him on. Too much baggage.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
well....look on the bright side
Hopefully we can bring him back as our Head Coach when Tedford’s contract expires with more exp and all…….just trying to be positive.
If you want a head coach who showed he’s fine with leaving your program without notice and without telling the kids just to get some more money.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
no
Lupoi has shown that he has zero loyalty. He would ditch us again in a heartbeat if some other school offered more money.
He has shown he has zero loyalty? Really…?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
So which d-line coach do we poach to ruin some other school’s day?
by Nkicker on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I feel betrayed
All that loyalty he was preaching was just B.S.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
Sort of. It’s not like he left for a marginal increase in salary, he’s getting a HUGE bump in salary.
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I'm bummed....
…..and it was a scumbag move to go, but his leaving for UW hasn’t invalidated his sales pitch while he was here.
SB Nation story on the move and its recruiting impact http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2012/1/16/2711585/tosh-lupoi-washington-cal-defensive-line-coach-recruiting
Ultimate Fuck You!
Watch, they’ll introduce Tosh at the Cal/UW basketball game on Thursday.
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by HeyAlumniGo on Jan 16, 2012 12:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Haha, that would be pretty great wouldn't it.
by UW11Bowdown on Jan 16, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
firing shots at a powder keg, man. tread lightly.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
If it fired up the players so they came out in the 2nd half and blew UDub out of the water, it’d be totally great. Maybe it’d get Crabbe mad enough that he’d drive to the hoop and slam it home…k…maybe…
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by HeyAlumniGo on Jan 16, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Just unleash a giant brown bear on him at halftime
“Biting the hand that feeds you biatch?!”
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Can you tell your blogmasters to email me back re: Q+A. Nobody ever emails me back over there.
I can handle Tosh leaving, but I can’t handle nobody emailing me back!!!
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Not sure what I can do about that.
I’m assuming you’re looking for something for the basketball game? They aren’t so into basketball over there, which I don’t understand at all. I’d be happy to write something up for you if you’re lacking other options. Me and thecassino (an actual editor) are the two who seem to have the longest basketball discussions most of the time.
I emailed thecassino. U’d be happy to email with you UW11Bowdown. Can you email me at goldenblogs at gmail dot com. We’ll do a Q+A!
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Got it and replied. Thanks!
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I want to vomit on him
Bush senior to Japanese Prime Minister style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnOnDatqENo
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Yep
This man just looks like a dirty little weasel. And coming from the U$C/Pete Carroll tree, he is undoubtedly a slimy bastard.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
bcondotta Bob Condotta
People giving Justin Wilcox a lot of credit for helping lure Lupoi to UW. Some call Wilcox Lupoi’s mentor.
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Well....
….it’s always kind of rankled me that JT didn’t lure Wilcox back when he had the chance.
that is absolutely true.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
for 700K???
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This move was nothing more than trying to ruin Cal. No way Tosh retains his recruiting cred after bolting for money. His entire recruiting cache was his love for his alma mater and how it is a family. Well, that sales pitch won’t work any more.
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by cldpc on Jan 16, 2012 12:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This brings up the other big inequity between coaches and players
Lupoi will be able to get to work immediately, while Armond would’ve had to redshirt a year for moving between conference teams.
I’m so tired of NCAA football, it’s disgusting.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 12:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I was one of the many that thought Tosh was indispensable. Hopefully we did everything we could to keep him. I hope he didn’t leave because we fucked up. That being said, It should be clear to everyone that this is part of the business and the culture of the sport. No one is exempt. If everyone is going around saying that Tedford needs to win in 12’ or possibly loose his job it would make sense for Tosh to look after his long terms goals and bail ship while the offer was there assuming it was a ton of cash and a better tittle. I still think the timing could not have come at a worst time. Tosh could have ended what he started and what he was to this point accomplishing, a monster recruiting class. He could have been national recruiter of the year and been an even greater asset going into 13’. Hes stock was going to rise, if anything and he could have gone anywhere he wanted after next season. We wanted to believe that his loyalty and love for Cal would trump any financial offer or tittle and we were wrong. It’s a business and think we should have known this all along. The good thing is that we are still Cal and have the academics, location, fan base, best facilities ect. We can’t totally ignore that the new facilities didn’t give us huge boost and made a lot of the top level recruits give us a look. I can’t believe it would be an improbable task to find another person to come in and given all we now have to offer not be able to hep us get to where we want to go. To the Rose bowl and beyond…Go Bears!
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by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 16, 2012 12:27 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions 4 recs
According to Gorcey, we didn't do everything to keep him
With the Bears seemingly unwilling to add a title such as recruiting coordinator on to Lupoi’s duties as defensive line coach — and the raise that would go along with that title — Washington was able to entice him away with not only more money than his current contract, but with the additional title of defensive run game coordinator.
Again
total and absolute BS…not to mention pure speculation.
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Defensive run game coordinator… so… he does what a D-Line coach is supposed to do?
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Apparently not.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
We’d be willing to call him a Marshawnthusiast AND a Jahviditician.
Why didn’t Tedford call us first?!?!?
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Excellent post!
Way to show some dignity.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
...what?
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by Berkelium97 on Jan 16, 2012 12:27 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
God now I really hate UW
Can’t wait to kick their asses in Memorial next season
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
I would totally do this.
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Possibly
The first contrasting background-to-coordinator example i can think of is the Eagles’ O-line coach becoming D-coordinator. Not sure that worked very well though.
Follet isn't quite that far
But playing LB to coaching Dline (with no prior coaching experience as far as I know, could easily be wrong there though), is a pretty decent jump
Depends on how surprised Tedford was by the announcement.
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this
He’s HC at Bishop O’ Troll!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
bad things
The timing of this couldn’t be worse! This will certainly hurt our current class! Dark is a bastard & uw obviously knew this & poached a coach that used to bleed blue & gold but sold out for $…“mo’ money ’mo problems.” I can only hope for bad things to happen up there! Go Bears!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 12:36 PM PST reply actions
Everything about this move reminds me of a guy sneaking out of town.
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Or to shoot Tosh in the gut for betraying him
by Glanko on Jan 16, 2012 3:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wow. A Cal fan complaining about the NCAA, yet bragging about its academics
Funny, how on one hand Cal fans have their noses in the air, with Cal’s academic rankings and all.
Yet, YOUR OWN HEAD COACH went to upper campus, threatened to quit, unless enterance requirements were lowered, transfer credits allowed, and credits allowed for classes such as “physical education”, and what not.
It’s a joke. Cal doesn’t compete with UW academically in terms of RECRUITS. Tedford threatened to walk, so Cal dropped it’s standards to keep him, and ATTEMPT to make its program relevant.
Just look at your DT Coleman who attended high 3 MILES from Husky Stadium. UW would NOT let him in, but Cal would.
Yeah, great ‘academics’ there.
And Tedford’s an asshole, anyway. Biggest underachiever in the conference the past decade.
UW has NFL QB after NFL QB, and 2 of the top 11 in the 2012 class coming in. Their Offensive Coordinator was JUST HIRED by the National Champs. And they took TN’s Defensive Coordinator. who Texas and Mack Brown tried to hire.
Lupoi will have a pretty strong message for recruits: “Hell, I graduated from Cal. I played at Cal. I coached at Cal. And I STILL – I STILL – left and chose UW. You should, too.”
by gone-shootin on Jan 16, 2012 12:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
There is no proper response that graces your post with the lack of dignity, respect, and class it deserves.
I think Lupoi loses credibility with some of his recruits.
Oh and FUCK YOU, troll account made within the last hour.
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Since when is "underachiever" synonymous with "asshole"
Get over yourself and UW…Sarkisian is greasy scum and I can’t wait to kick UW’s ass in Memorial next year.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
You mean...
Like the past 3 seasons of losing to UW with all that "4 and 5 star’ talent?
THAT is called underachieving.
by gone-shootin on Jan 16, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
Let me rephrase that for you: Since when did underachieving make you an asshole?
by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Jan 16, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
actually, most of those individuals haven’t started yet, and if they have, they’re just underclassmen.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Oh...
AND THERE IS A REASON all these coaches are choosing UW:
Historically, it’s the 2nd best program in the PAC, right ahead of UCLA.
It has an ACTUAL tradition and history along with a real stadium and fan base, unlike the 35,000 on the farm.
Oh, and there’s a reason Alabama just hired the UW OC who did NOT even call the plays.
UWs on the rise, and will be back on top. History says so. As does common sense.
Keep hatin’, though.
by gone-shootin on Jan 16, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
history does not say so. common sense is individal projection.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Really? You're bringing Furd into this now?
What does The Farm have to do with this?
by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Meaning...
no one outside the Bay area knows which is “The Farm”, etc.
NO ONE CARES about Cal or Cardinal football, including most graduates. Just look at the attendance and overall support.
by gone-shootin on Jan 16, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
You seem to care enough to come over here and troll.
Thanks for the support :)
by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Jan 16, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Oh man, you got our number. Good show.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
This is what Duck fans get to deal with non-stop. The fuskies haven’t beaten the Ducks since 2003 and they still act like this. Sorry you guys have to deal with it.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 16, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Literate Huskies are having a fine exchange w/ Kalon and some of your
other fans ATQ. That bugger knows more about my program than I, but I’m stuck in FL . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Should I just email you the password to CGB’s editorial page now or do you want to wait a bit?
Because I don’t see any reasont o continue CGB when you are doing such a great job as a Cal blogger.
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not a damn thing; he is wandering in the wilderness and making loyal
Dawgs look bad . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Z
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I hate when facts get in the way of a good trolling
Using an academic version of a football playbook, Tedford has taken the shockingly poor graduation rate of Cal football players and raised it closer to that of schools like Northwestern and Stanford, which played Cal on Saturday in the 112th Big Game.
The latest evidence of his success came last week, when fresh data released by the NCAA showed nearly three-quarters of Tedford’s first recruiting class graduated – a 48-percent increase over the team’s average from the previous decade.
"Tedford has changed the way the football players look at being student-athletes," said physics professor Robert Jacobsen, who also serves on Cal’s athletic admissions committee.
The graduation rates are also the longest-standing measure, thus the only means of comparing Cal’s academic performance under Tedford to that of his predecessors.
"Jeff took a new approach and a very good approach – and he got instant results," said Santa Clara University athletic director Dan Coonan, a former Cal administrator who helped hire Tedford. "He’s made the student-athletes accountable, and that’s had a terrific impact."
These are the highlights of the latest report. All figures refer to freshmen who entered school in the fall of 2002, Tedford’s first year as coach:
* 71 percent of the Cal football players went on to graduate within the allotted six-year window. That’s close to the rate for all of Cal’s male student-athletes (78 percent).
* Cal’s players graduated at a much higher rate than the national average for major college football players (55 percent). Just a few years ago, the Bears were below the national average.
* The graduation rate for African-American players, who make up the majority of Cal’s roster, was 67 percent. That’s 20 points higher than the major college average and two points higher than Cal’s overall graduation rate for black male students.
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Facts?
What are you doing?! This is the interwebz.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry
I graduated from Cal…facts are important to me.
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Lupoi left for 3x the salary. Don’t fool yourself into thinking anything else about Seattle or the UW program played a role in his decision. If WSU offered him the same salary, he’d be there right now.
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Don’t fool yourself into thinking anything else about Seattle or the UW program played a role in his decision.
Well, why does this necessarily have to be the case. It could possibly be true that he wanted the $ and ALSO found some aspects of UW worthwhile that a school like WSU might not offer. For example, there’s a definite chance his reputation as a recruiter would take a significant hit at WSU because, really, who wants to go to WSU? Whereas UW actually has some appeal.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
This makes no sense to me...
…..if he’s worth that much to UW he’s worth that much elsewhere, and he would have been after the season was over. And he quite likely could have done better. So that begs the question…..why now? Had he pulled in the class he did here at Cal he could have done even better, most likely.
Hmmm? Why do you think he could have done better? He’s getting a huge salary for a position coach, this is generally the time when most coaching changes happen….
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
The ignorance is astounding.
Take this post.
Shine it up real nice.
Turn it sideways.
And stick it straight up your candy-ass, jabroni.
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go to hell
UW is garbage and will always be garbage. You haven’t done a damn thing since the early 90s and will never do anything as long as you keep hiring scum like Sarkisian.
He was straight trolling.
But I’ll take our Rose Bowls over whatever Cal has accomplished in the last 40 years.
What exactly makes Sarkisian scum?
Don’t bother, we get trolled, people bite back, now’s not the time for this discussion.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
True; I'm embarrassed by this kind of Troll.
My regrets; he is not representative.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
………..he coaches for a rival team.
What more d oyu need?
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Well, yuou’ve changed my view on the subject.
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Real Huskies don't throw rocks at other Pac-12 A.A.U. schools, especially not at the
best public university in the country.
Wanna mock their football team; go ahead. Wanna mock their academics; ho home!
We are proud to share the long time Pacific Coast academic tradition w/ Cal, Stanford, Oregon, UCLA and USC. Later additions Arizona Colorado share this distinction. Each of these schools has a demonstratedcommitment to academic and rsearch excellence, and the requisite support to maintain that tradition.
The Pac-12 also has a fine tradition of supporting non-revenue sports, especially Olympic sports. Stanford has an outstanding overall sports achievement record.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
The news I was looking to hear today was
Armstead announcing his commitment to Cal.
Now, this is the worst news imaginable.
I really fear reverse dominoes
This is exactly what I logged in to twitter for.
I lost all productivity.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
UW is making their strongest power grab for the P12N
I just became a semi-Ducks fan. I hope they curb stomp the poodles.
i am speechless. too stunned...
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This reminds me of that part when Beane wants Ricardo Rincon and the owner is not willing to pay for him so Beane pays for him out of his own pocket.
If the Athletic Department was not willing to pay the extra 350K, Tedford should have offered to take a 350K pay cut.
by Mallrat92204 on Jan 16, 2012 12:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This should have reminded us of the part of the movie where Boston offers Beane a boatload of cash, and Beane leaves the money on the table.
Hopefully it doesn’t remind us of what comes after the movie and the next 10 years.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Who knows if this was even a possibility?
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed. In the absence of real information, we should refrain from so much speculation.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I obviously don’t know enough about the Athletic Dept’s budget to know for sure, but common sense says it would work. If you have $X amount allocated for football coaching salaries HC and assistants, removing $350-400K from Tedford’s salary and adding it to Lupoi’s would keep $X the same.
This would all be done on the up-and up because I know some coaches just got in trouble for paying assistants out of their own pocket. The only tricky part I see in this is what the other assistant coaches on staff think about it.
by Mallrat92204 on Jan 16, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
My comment was more along the lines of: Who knows if Tosh even game them this chance?
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
FYI, on our end the rumor went around for awhile, and most folks figered it
was all about getting enough money on the table to pry him away.
Hiring Wilcox was actually probably at least as important as the $$$ though . . .
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Well, with the Big Game in October...
Good to know fans will have no excuse to tuneout and skip Washington and Oregon.
But really this sucks… gonna hope the damage is minimal but I’m already mourning Thompson and McCarthy’s loss
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I think Thompson stays because of the his brother. McCarthy is all but gone.
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and then there is this
Highly touted S Shaq Thompson (@ItsShaqThompson) in phone interview with @TaraFOXSports,“I am 50-50 between #Cal and #Washington.”
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Woo Hoo!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised if at least 1/4 to 1/3 of our class wavers or outright decommits. Hell, maybe even more.
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I think that
more of the commits will stay…the uncommitted are tough.
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I think O guys take it much better than D guys. We’ll know soon enough
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting to see this through your point of view.
While I grant it is an unseemly part of the college FB revruiting wars, most Husky fans are hoping against hope at luring away one or two recruits.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Gerard Martinez @gmartlive
Ellis McCarthy’s father told me last week that his son did not commit to #Cal because of a single coach. #Ninjas
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Ninjas. I knew they were good for something.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
more specifically
hash tag ninjas
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Why is there no statement from Cal????!!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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They’re taking a lot of rewrites to redact out all the #&($#.
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by HeyAlumniGo on Jan 16, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
GregBiggins Greg Biggins
Interesting talk with Shaq T, he’s very close with Tosh but said he’s even closer with Wilcox, that’s who recruited his brother Syd to Cal
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More from Breech
#Cal DL Gabe King (@gking6691) just tweeted about Lupoi’s departure, “he bounced, no call, no text, no subtle insinuation… Nothing.”
That’s kind of cold.
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by ch0ster on Jan 16, 2012 12:57 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
More of evidence to support the guy taking money route.
Leaves when the HC is away
Takes the same level of job
Only difference: Money.
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I imagine $500K is more than most people make. Would you move for this amount of cheddar?
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
It is a lot more than what most people make but the way he left show a complete lack of class…complete.
Also, there is no reason to believe (one way or the other) that he couldn’t get money close to that.
I took less money to stay near my home.
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So pay him twice what his boss, Coach P makes? All kinds of awkward.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Same as
2011 salary: $500,000 plus incentives
• Clancy Pendergast, Cal: The Golden Bears’ second-year defensive coordinator has connections to Tucson and the state of Arizona. A 1991 UA graduate, Pendergast spent 15 seasons in the NFL before joining coach Jeff Tedford’s staff in 2010.
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The final decision is understandable… just not if he didn’t give Cal a chance to match or come close/ tell the players he’s close to
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
I can honestly say I’ve passed up a killer job opportunity because leaving at that time would have been unfair to my employer.
Character, integrity, and loyalty matter. That’s what #calgang is all about.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
@gking6691 Husky Football Blog > UW hires Lupoi as DL coach buzztap.com/-erm175 — this is how I found out my coach left #norespect
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Wow. Hashtag douchey.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Or more evidence
Cal still has an opportunity to match or counter-offer?
Just let me have this fantasy!!!!!
Actually I think it's evidence...
….that the contract is signed. It’s possible he can’t contact our players!
Subtle insinuation?
Tosh: “Who likes crab??”
Tosh: “Anybody up for a Mariners game?”
Tosh: “HOW COULD THE NBA LET THE SONICS LEAVE??!?!”
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Did something happen to MissingBarry? He should be responding here saying that’s how people do it all the time and Tosh is totally cool to do this…
Nah, I was just saying to hold off on flaming Tosh before we know details.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
That tweet gives me ENOUGH details.
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And to think I was going to write a post today about Sark throwing ten billion dollars and the Puget Sound at Tosh.
Sark got him for a bargain.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:02 PM PST reply actions
Not if he loses a lot of credibility… but he probably only loses a little for a bit
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
I was a little surprised at the numbers involved. His salary at Cal seemed way low compared to his value and to Bay Area cost of living. His new salary, while a significant increase, still seems like an incredible deal for UW.
You severely underestimate the cost of living in Seattle area.
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One positive (if you can call it that) is that we won’t have to counter-recruit to him, as much as we have to let every other recruiter in the nation talk about how without a word, Tosh left his alma mater and professed home two weeks before NSD, taking a massive dump on the program in the process.
Fixed
taking a massive dump on the program and current recruits in the process.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
He only loses his credibility for a little while. Keep in mind that future recruits down the line could be in middle school right now. They either don’t pay attention to college football yet, or don’t care.
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Sure
but Cal and other teams are sure to remind them about Tosh’s history.
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Cal doesn’t engage in negative recruiting, and Tedford doesn’t throw his players (or coaches) under the bus. So maybe other teams will badmouth Tosh, but Cal won’t do that.
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NegaTedford might.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
can't say that for certain...
Tedford could have stepped up and took responsibility for him/staff during the whole flopping incident… yet Lupoi got the brunt of it.
Was it ever revealed how far up that flopping incident went? No one outside of the program knows if Tedford was ever in on it, correct?
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sure
but Tedford was the one who handed out the suspension.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 16, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What is his history, exactly? That he was offered a lot more money for a job and took it? Do you really think that’s going to offend some recruits who aren’t connected to the situation in any way? I think we should hold off on the negativity towards Tosh, who knows, maybe 10 years from now he’ll be the head coach of Cal football.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. Who knows. Depending on what happens the next few years, Wilcox and Tosh might be back sooner than you think.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
What really sucks is the fact that the unknown person we’ve hired in the future to replace Tosh is SO TERRIBLE argh FUTURE FIRE THAT GUY OR GAL ALREADY AND BRING BACK TOSH!!!
WE ARE THE 0%
Sadly, this.
I don’t see this affecting Tosh’s recruiting come next year even.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Possible Hypothesis
(1) UW Approaches Tosh with awesome offer.
(2) Tedford, Sandy, et all. rally and give Tosh a great counter offer.
(3) Tosh agrees to Cal’s terms in principle.
(4) With Tedford away, Tosh takes off.
As an engineering manager, this seems like the most likely scenario to me. There have been a few times I thought I had successfully counteroffered to a guy only to have him leave anyway.
This
no reason why Tedford would leave if he knew that Tosh was going to bolt.
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It also explains a lot of what we're wondering about.
(1) Why didn’t Cal counter? (They did)
(2) Did Cal let him go because they had a replacement? (Nope, they thought they were good)
(3) Players, Recruits surprised? (see above)
If this is true
I hope this eventually comes out. I am assuming that Tedford and Sandy wouldn’t actually come out and say it.
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Luckily the 49ers are in the NFC championship game
or this would completely ruin my weekend
Harbaugh
winning makes me cry. Rodgers losing makes me cry. Cal tanking…. ugh.
by CalBeer on Jan 16, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
ugggh. i’m a packers fan so my weekend is completely ruined
whose domicile? our domicile!
by hardtobecalfan on Jan 16, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
your SBN handle is painfully accurate
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
With all this prior recruiting good news I was thinking that being a cal fan wouldn’t be so hard in the future… But I guess some things never change.
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by hardtobecalfan on Jan 16, 2012 1:25 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Worst weekend ever.
Still trying to recover and this just knocks the shins out from under me.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Also, $500k is only public salary (just like $133k here). Washington boosters (and there are a lot of them) probably also doubled/tripled whatever he would have gotten privately at Cal. He could be one of the highest paid non-head coaches in the country by the end of this.
I don’t begrudge Tosh at all what he did. Preach loyalty all you want, but this is college football. This is business. You could be the rising star one day and chopped liver the next. You do what you do to maximize your value.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:13 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
This
It’s easy to judge when it’s not your livelihood. We’re not talking about a pro athlete picking $50mil guaranteed over $47mil guaranteed. We’re talking about relatively small numbers over a lifetime of earning. There are no guarantees in college sports. I’m disappointed, but have no right to judge the guy, especially with so few confirmed facts right now.
by Reef on Jan 16, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah. just waiting to see how this actually played out
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I am not judging the guy for taking the money
in fact, if the program refused to do everything they could to keep Tosh, then it’s on the organization.
But everything so far has shown that it was a straight cash grab by Tosh.
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I’m not judging him for taking the money, but I’ve lost a lot of respect for him for leaving without saying a word to the players.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Because most of the assistants at Texas make about that much and Diaz is close to a mil.
So your argument is that the first-class assistants at the richest athletic department in the country make that much money, demonstrating that Tosh won’t be one of the highest paid assistants in the country…?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
According to Rivals
Lupoi would only leave Berkeley — the school he grew up with, and the school for which he played — for an additional title.
With the Bears seemingly unwilling to add a title such as recruiting coordinator on to Lupoi’s duties as defensive line coach — and the raise that would go along with that title — Washington was able to entice him away with not only more money than his current contract, but with the additional title of defensive run game coordinator.
Why couldn’t we just add him that title? I mean, we did that last year with passing game coordinator and run game coordinators.
This seems so absolutely absurd.
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Why couldn’t we just add him that title?
Because it’s made-up nonsense that this is the only reason that he left?
and the raise that would go along with that title
Oh, so it wasn’t the only reason. Got it!
WE ARE THE 0%
Washington was able to entice him away with not only more money than his current contract, but with the additional title of defensive run game coordinator.
Do we even currently have a defensive run game coordinator? I can’t see Tedford or Pendergast refusing to add that to Tosh’s title, it was probably just the money.
by Mallrat92204 on Jan 16, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
love gorcey
but this sounds like a spin job. Tedford would have given him any title he wanted. It doesnt mean a thing. To say that this was the reason for this is completely asinine.
Cain is Able ...
Yea
we already have a passing game coordinator, run game coordinator, and offensive coordinator attached to the various offensive positional coaches. He isn’t apprehensive about giving meaningless titles.
Actually, I know those titles sound meaningless, but from what I’ve read they’re actually fairly accurate. The offensive coordinator responsibilities really are split up multiple ways like that.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
If he wanted a better title, i’m assuming he wanted a real title. Giving a guy a “run game coordinator” title only in title means nothing to Tosh. Tosh would obviously really want input on defending the run. This would come as an infringement upon Pendergast’s job. Perhaps Pendergast wouldn’t like this infringement, and perhaps Tedford knew this and that’s why Tedford didn’t want to do it.
I don’t think it’s so simple as giving a guy a new title. It’s about giving a guy a new job and more responsibility — responsibility that is already someone else’s and whom that someone else may not want to share or give up.
Sigh
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by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 16, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Do they still want Michalczik?
Can we trade?
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Just a reminder:
These coaching changes always directly translate to wins. No use in playing the games now.
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My Friday night freed up now! What should we all do?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
The answer is easy:
Settlers of Catan
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
noooooooooooo
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Thank Tosh!
Not only do you screw my alma mater…you destroyed my productivity and need to enter my hours for work. Thanks.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 16, 2012 1:17 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Not sure this is Tedford
Doesnt Sandy have a few Bear backers, the same who paid for SAHPC, cell phone ready when somebody is poaching all our recruiting hope? Seems like we’re back to friends and family (please help SyD) recruiting w/o Tosh.
Thoughts? "I have none. If there are any other developments, we will let you know." Charger GM - AJ Smith.
by bringbackbuddytrees on Jan 16, 2012 1:18 PM PST reply actions
And hey, we have a new team to hate now!
Friday night football against UW just got real.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:21 PM PST reply actions
Not waiting for that
I want to beat’em on Thursday as a preliminary F U.
We're rapidly running out of likeable teams in the North
Now we’re down to Oregon State and Washington State
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Sure
but I don’t dislike them.
I loathe Stanfurd and now UW.
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by Honka Playboy on Jan 16, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Oh wait, did we actually hurt him with an illegal play? Oh well, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
now that the Mastermind behind the faking injuries is gone
can’t we declare peace on this topic?
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 17, 2012 7:00 AM PST up reply actions
I dont think anybody thought it was a genuine issue outside of a few Oregon partisans
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I wasn't referring to the faking injuries part...
…but the part where they would boo our players that they would actually injure. Evidenced by missing following games with small things like, you know, concussions.
My doc told me to just give up and start rooting for the SEC
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…and we’ll probably have to reassess WSU in a few years after Mike Leach has established a foothold there.
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Think if Cal continues to roll up
The Pac12 North could become a monster division. Sark and Tosh take UW up a notch. SAHPC takes Cal up a notch. Leach takes WSU up a notch. Stanford’s academics take them up a notch, Nike takes Oregon up a notch.
Poor old OSU will be the whipping boy! What do they have going for them?
I came up in the Gary Payton era
Screw Oregon State.
We had 2800+ the other day in one thread.
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Yeah, but that post was about important things like airports, cufflinks, cricket, best comedy genre: Marx Brothers or Farrelly Brothers?, and whiskey.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
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supposedly changed his Facebook profile to UW.
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by Fire Starkey on Jan 16, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
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by minesweeper on Jan 16, 2012 1:27 PM PST reply actions 13 recs
Are you saying?
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
This is awesome
Tosh = Devil
6 1st round draft picks, 2 Super Bowl Champions and counting
by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
asdf
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Today's news sucks
But the contents of this comment tree are awesome.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
WOW
how does UW have so many boosters willing to throw money at a mediocre program the last 5 years and a terrible one before that the past 10 years?
Wilcox- >$700k ( he got 700k at tenesse, unless he REALLY likes the rain in Seattle, he probably got a hefty raise in a lateral move)
Tosh- $500k (speculation)
Holt- $600k still owed for getting fired…
unless they take the north + Pac12 in 1-2 years (doubt it) it’s a money black hole
not to mention the many other coaches they still have to pay
UW was really really good in the 1990s under slick Rick.
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Yes
but so was U$C before Pete.
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However, the winless streaks of 13 years (1983–1995, including the 1994 17–17 tie) to rival Notre Dame and 8 years (1991–1998) to crosstown rival UCLA were unacceptable to many USC supporters. In 1998, head coach Paul Hackett took over the team, but posted an even more disappointing 19–18 record in three seasons. By 2000, some observers surmised that USC football’s days of national dominance were fading; the football team’s record of 37–35 from 1996 to 2001 was their second-worst over any five-year span in history (only the mark of 29–29–2 from 1956–1961 was worse), and the period marked the first and only time USC had been out of the final top 20 teams for four straight years.
Neuishel was 35-16 and left in 2002.
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Pete Carroll was not Pete Carroll before taking over the U$C
he was their 5th choice.
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Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
USC Trojans (Pacific-10 Conference) (2001–2009)
2001 USC 6–6 5–3 5th L Las Vegas
2002 USC 11–2 7–1 T–1st W Orange †4 4
2003 USC 12–1 7–1 1st W Rose †2 1
2004 USC 11–0* (13–0)71 7–0* (8–0)71 1st V (W)72 Orange †1‡73 1
2005 USC 0–1 (12–1)74 0–0* (8–0)74 1st L Rose †2 2
2006 USC 11–2 7–2 T–1st W Rose †4 4
2007 USC 11–2 7–2 T–1st W Rose †2 3
2008 USC 12–1 8–1 1st W Rose †2 3
2009 USC 9–4 5–4 T–5th W Emerald 20 22
USC: 83–19 53–14
Total: 83–19
no, i’m trying to say that Pete Carroll had almost an immediate impact (minus 1st transition year) at SC, and unlike Sark, built a program that while annoying, won a lot of games (83–19, w/o subtracting vacated wins) it just seems that UW is trying to fix the problem that they’re not competing for a Pac12 championship by throwing wads and wads of cash Sark’s way to use when in truth, it doesn’t seem like Sark has earned it IMO
Throwing wads and wads of cash sometimes does fix the problem. See: Alabama.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
They were a great program once (from the 70s to the 90s)
There are a lot of rich old boosters who want to see the program return to greatness.
Cal has its fair share, but I’d say our audience is straying older.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
I argue because we have too many asians who don’t care about sports
/racis
//I’m hella butthurt
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Hah. There are plenty of Asians who invest in the program. Get off it.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
He’s talking about real Asians, not South Asians…
/ I’ll see myself out
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
CNN Newsbreak: Indians are no longer considered asian, now considered Pacific Mainlanders!
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
So you’re saying I can’t blame Tosh leaving on Cal’s asian fan base?!
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, I’m totally joking. But I did see some asian kids once bring their math books to a Cal football game
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Damn you! Can you help me with my Math 1B?
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
OK, can you help me with econometrics? Stupid STATA
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
never speak of this again. Furd gets a lot of flak for the laptops at games
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Did you see the article in their school newspaper whining about having to stand up too much and how the games were too long?
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, absolutely. And it was written by their sports beat writer!
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
No not serious at all
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Man…UW is awfully flush with cash for a public institution. I guess that’s what a strong booster network will do for you.
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Thge Athletic Dept is semi-indepoendent; doesn't receive state funds for operations
And yeah, we have a very large and supportive alumni base.
Though to the best of my knowledge none of the Microsoft billionaires ponied up any $$$ for UW.
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
You could say the same about Alabama pre-Saban. Thing is, history goes back more than 10 years. In some cases, they’ve been building fans for lifetimes.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Husky Stadium was still sold out or damn near in the middle of 0-12.
They’re crazy up there.
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Via USA Today here is our assistant coaching salaries for 2011. If Lupoi would of been paid a base salary of 500k, he would have been making more than anyone except Tedford. I think if Cal would of wanted to meet UWs offer, they would have had to pay everyone more, it might have meant another 1 or 2 mil a year in coaching salaries.
First number is the base salary, then the max bonus for each coach.
Clancy Pendergast $245,000 $204,100
Jim Michalczik $207,000 $102,000
Jeff Genyk $174,000 $40,500
Ron Gould $164,000 $75,000
Eric Kiesau $164,000 $84,000
Tosh Lupoi $164,000 $75,000
Kenwick Thompson $164,000 $75,000
Ashley Ambrose $144,000 $45,000
Marcus Arroyo $144,000 $65,000
by Flag Guy on Jan 16, 2012 1:31 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
But you guys aren’t a public university in a state with massive debt.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Unless Washington is not a part of the United States
It has it’s share of problems as well.
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Thanks, I was going to say that we have our problems too.
Not as bad, but still a pretty terrible situation.
????
what that has to do? public U vs Private U?
Last we checked, Washington is a pubic institution.
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by zoonews on Jan 16, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Do you think Washington U in St. Louis just stole Tosh Lupoi from us?
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Calling Uw a pubic institution
merits a rec.
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good catch OD
it is one of the best pubic schools in the country
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by Honka Playboy on Jan 17, 2012 7:02 AM PST up reply actions
yes, UW is too but you have the $$ for that plus spending close to $2M next year on a DC, D-line coach, and ex-DC??
All the money raised at Cal in the past few years went straight at the stadium… which is why Cal can’t blow the same amount of money as they pay their head coach on 2 assistants
pretty low across the board, ouch. where’s that TV $$?
by Paulie on Jan 16, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
They could have offered him between what Pendergast and Michalczik made…$350-$400K.
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GENYYYYYYYYYKKKKKKKKK!!!!
This is all your fault.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
this is a good lesson for the "young blues" like me
i graduated in 2009. I’ve only suffered a little over the years, but now i beginning to understand what it’s like to be a Cal fan. Thank you Tosh for truly welcoming me into the Cal family! I feel at home!
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 16, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
So did I
I even met the guy! Really nice guy, football team was out of control though.
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I survived Roger Theder...
…plus the bottoming out of the Mouse Davis experiment/disaster with the Run N Shoot as an undergrad.
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research."
Understand the disappointment, think it reflects very poorly on the fanbase to make Tosh out as a backstabber/scumbag/bad person for the move he’s making, though. Leaving for another employer that’s offering you a significant raise is very understandable.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
I had this reaction to
But internet’s gonna internet. Hopefully nobody of consequence is going to judge a fanbase because of what’s posted on a public message board.
i agree
it’s hard to pass up such a huge raise, and he’s taking care of his family. But to us Cal fans, it sucks and we have to direct our anger at someone/something so that’s why there’s the tedford/tosh/AD/sark/washington hate. It’s just natural.
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 16, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
not saying he's a bad guy or anything
Seems like an incredibly good person. I’m just bitter!
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 16, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think Sark/Washington hate is the correct way to go! Hate away!
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Leaving for another employer that’s offering you a significant raise is very understandable.
If this is all that happened, I would agree with you. It’s not.
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Not telling the kids you brought into the program you’re leaving and only telling your current recruit so you can recruit him for your new school before you’ve even closed the door is pretty shitty.
Honestly, are you confident in standing by that as the absolute truth of how things went down? Have some patience, let the facts come out.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
When you have kids tweeting that they had absolutely zero knowledge this was going down, then I can assure you he didn’t tell them?
We also have twitter to inform everyone the second things happen. This whole discussion has basically been going down in real time. Let the dust settle.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well…we have at least one player on the DL who already said that he wasn’t told.
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Sure. Maybe Tosh talks to them later. Maybe he never does. Just take a deep breathe. We’ll find out more details later.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Wait
Tosh had time to tell Shaq twice in the past week but nothing to his players?
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According to the quote we have, Tosh was in sactown as of last night, and told Shaq he was thinking about taking the UW offer, but not that he had decided. There’s only so many places a person can be at one time. Again, I’ll repeat this – this situation is happening in real time as we’re discussing it in this thread. Much better to make your judgments once we know what really happened, rather than making personal attacks on someone based largely on speculation and incompletely information.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
He then called Shaq up in the morning and said…hey I’m going to UW, wanna come along?
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Right. So he had time to keep one kid completely updated, obviously since he was planning on poaching him. No one else mattered enough to even tell “Hey guys, I might be gone next week.”
So he had time to keep one kid completely updated
Yes, that’s what it looks like. Apparently he was taking a home visit to Shaq. Do you know the details of this home visit? Why was he taking it? Was he doing it on behalf of the Cal coaching staff, and came clean with Shaq about his own personal intentions? Knowing these kinds of details matter. Here’s one potential narrative – he went there to recruit Shaq for Cal, but had to be honest about what was going on with him. Now, he’s in Sactown, drives home late, makes an early morning decision to take the UW job, and so far, hasn’t had a chance to talk to many people about it. I have no idea if any of these details are accurate, but the point is, there are many, many, many possible narratives right now of how things went down based on what we know. Some will reflect better on him, some worse. Wait until you know more about what it was before laying all the judgment on him.
No one else mattered enough to even tell "Hey guys, I might be gone next week."
Do you know that this didn’t happen? Do you know if he plans on talking to anyone else about it? Again, wait and find out how things went down before making up your mind.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Much better to make your judgments once we know what really happened, rather than making personal attacks on someone based largely on speculation and incompletely information.
That’s really grasping…?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
no, this part is
According to the quote we have, Tosh was in sactown as of last night, and told Shaq he was thinking about taking the UW offer, but not that he had decided.
This is a black and white (NOT RACIS) issue. That is simply something you do not share with a recruit before you share with your boss. Period.
No, you don't get it
Believe it or not there is another option – don’t say anything about it. And then you know what you do, you call him the next day.
Shaq: "Coach, I’m just looking forward to playing for you. "
Coach: [shoves more cookies in mouth and backs away]
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Shaq: "Coach, I’m just looking forward to playing for you. "
Coach: Me too, we’ll be able to do some great things together
(submits expense report to Cal for trip)
try as you might, you can’t convince me you’re that stupid.
I guess you think it’s ok to lie to your current employer?
Because otherwise, you f’ing cancel the trip… you’re, not feeling well.
Oh, sads. Well we still like you. We just thought you were bagging on Missing Barry for the wrong reasons.
WE ARE THE 0%
In a sense you were right. In a broader sense, time will tell. In a broader sense, we are stardust and carbon and golden too.
WE ARE THE 0%
and frankly I guess I’m a little annoyed because this whole thing took the discussion off the DBD and my thoughts on 9-5 and Dolly. And I had lunch with Twist today so that will sap anyone’s soul… and I’m spending the night in Kingsburg!!
Well, we have a couple twitter quotes from Gabe King about it, but do we know anything about what Tosh did/didn’t tell Cal coaches/admin?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
What later? There is no later. He is a UW coach now.
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completely disagree
He’s a backstabber. Ditching your alma mater for a conference rival and trying to pry committed recruits away is the worst thing you can do. If he had left for, say, Oklahoma and hadn’t messed with the recruits I wouldn’t be upset.
I agree
It’s the lowest of the low…I can leave my job but to burn my first employer who gave me my first job and helped me succeed by stealing his client sis low.
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This makes me think: is it possible to have an anti-same-conference clause built in to your contract? Would such a contract be enforceable?
Non-compete contracts are tricky legally (as per wiki). I’m not sure if they’re valid in California at all.
They are
Supreme Court says they are okay. Just have to make them clear enough and not to preclude someone from working.
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Non-compete clauses are, in most instances, unlawful and unenforceable under California law. You can have an agreement preventing former employees from using information they learned while in you employ for the benefit of a subsequent employer, because that information is the property of the employer. But, except in very rare circumstances, you cannot prevent them from working for a competitor.
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I’m under one in CA. I’m not allowed to move into a competing company for 2 years after my current employment ends.
I’d strongly encourage you to challenge that if/when you leave your job. Just because you signed it doesn’t mean it’s enforceable (hint: in CA, it’s not).
Odds are that you don’t work for Cal.
So HOW DARE YOUR BETRAY CAL BY NOT WORKING FOR CAL WHARBLE GARBLE?
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Well, maybe he doesn’t want to live in bumfuck Oklahoma? Maybe he wants to work for Wilcox (who someone else said was his mentor?). As of now, we also don’t know of any recruits that have left Cal for Washington. What I’m telling you to do is to chill on the personal attacks in real time. I’m just going to be frank about this now – it’s because it reflects really poorly on you, and the fanbase, to start attacking someone like that who has done a whole lot of positive things for the school, who’s an alumni of the school, without knowing how things went down. It’s classless. You want to hold Tosh to a higher standard? Start with yourself.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
+1
especially as Cal might wish to hire him back later . . . :-)
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not about the fact he left, it’s how he left—not saying a word to his own players.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
you understand there is another part of the equation, right? you know, not screwing the organization you’re just leaving.
Right, and I’ve never said anything in support of someone screwing the organization they’re leaving.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I'm done with this...
I’m going home to see my daughter…poor girl will be wondering why I am making her go to a school with a bad football program in 2027.
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Based on the reactions from frosh/recruits
I don’t think we’ll see massive defections. Maybe two or three. But this defense should still be awesome next year.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Hopefully Shaq doesn’t leave. Sounds like the WR is gone. And Armstead, though technically we haven’t had him yet.
Jorge Gutierrez is "The guy with the hair plays with the flair"
I presume he’s referring to Diggs, the #2 WR in the country from DC.
I really don’t know. Diggs does like Cal, and it’s not like Tosh would be his coach.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
I was referring to the one who committed at the AA game. I thought he was one of those who tweeted that he was looking again.
Jorge Gutierrez is "The guy with the hair plays with the flair"
Payton was always going to be a battle til the end. We’ll see. UCLA is running out of spots though.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Payton seems to have taken it pretty hard
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Several WR candidates have been pretty vocal on Twitter over time about Kiesau as their recruiter and about how awesome Mrs. Kiesau is (which I thought was cute).
Or Tennessee… Kiffin… Wait…
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by Maisbikkja on Jan 16, 2012 3:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Any chance we had with Arik Armstead and Aziz Shittu are probably gone now, too. So that’s kind of significant.
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I wouldn’t say gone. They both still like Cal. But yes, the odds dropped.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
For the next couple years, seems like the dline has plenty of talent to go off, though. Also might this affect McCarthy?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
D-line will not be an issue unless we hire a poor coach. But generally the D-line has been one of the top performing units in the country.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
My take on the recruits
I have three classes:
(1) Kids who are true Bears. Guys like Treggs and Kline who truly bleed Blue and Gold and are sticking with us because they love Cal and love what Tosh was selling, even if the salesman is gone.
(2) D-line guys who leave Cal. It makes perfect sense for them to leave because they probably wanted to be coached by Tosh thanks to his history of putting guys in the league.
(3) Other players who are considering leaving. To me, this makes no sense. They weren’t going to be coached by Tosh anyway and his departure doesn’t make any of the pros about Cal any less true. That being said, if they go to the SEC or UW, I don’t care—I wish them all the best (how funny, it was at the UW game when I heard some fan screaming for Bigelow to be “broken” for “betraying” them).
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Need to get Bob Ladouceur to talk some sense into him
Isn’t De La Salle all about the Spartenhood? Sounds like Tosh is throwing brotherhood under the bus.
Jorge Gutierrez is "The guy with the hair plays with the flair"
Maybe
Tosh is Ephialtes?
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Why do you think Tosh is throwing anyone under the bus?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
not to mention the current Cal DL, who also were blindsided by his departure
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
And dollar bills. You forgot the dollar bills!
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Plus dollar bills, successful trolling, and doom!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
first and troll troll it again troll bears!
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think my heart just fell out of my ass.
Suck on dese nuts TexAss!!!
by bearblueballz on Jan 16, 2012 1:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow, 500+ comments on an assistant coach
This is a high quality community freak out!
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by norcalnick on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I assume a lot of us have the day off too. At least I do. It’s like getting paid to hangout on CGB (basically, a typical weekday for me).
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I have the day off
and I feel I should use it for something other than internetting, but I just can’t break away.
This is like the first guild episode
where codex is fired by her therapist because she isn’t making an effort to change and the camera flashes over to a post-it showing how she is going to limit her gaming to 2 hours a day. That is crossed out and replaced with a 3, which is crossed out and replaced with a 5, which has the words fuck it written underneath it.
I’m just glad it is a holiday, because if it weren’t and I were at work in the Open Plan Office of Doom, I wouldn’t even know!!!
AND YOU WOULD BE MUCH HAPPIER! HOORAY FOR THE OPEN OFFICE PLAN OF DOOM!
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by CalBear81 on Jan 16, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I do not have the day off, but our other offices do.
Thus, I am on CGB FREAKING THE FUCK OUT.
Put that way, it seems silly – but you know it’s the recruiting.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I don’t want to downplay what Tosh brought to Cal in the least. But man, this thread is pretty over-the-top
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I’ve already come full circle and am looking forward to finding out who our next DL coach will be!
…too bad it’s not the same for the players
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
this.
less DOOOOM.
more BOOOM.
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
UW trolled 4 bears with one stone
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
How much was Tosh really worth to Cal football?
All we have to do is wait and see what effect this has on the recruiting class and how many end up signing or walking. Of those that walk, if any decide to do so, how many will give the reason for leaving as, specifically because Tosh left? Will any of them say having Tosh would have been great, I still wish he would stay, but I chose Cal for more then Tosh? It would be harder to tell if any of the ones that walk away do so not so much because of what Tosh said to them but becaue of that fact that he was the one in charge of their recruitment and now they have to bond with their projected coach. If the class comes crashing down, we will know Tosh was the real deal. If most of the class stays in tact, we can’t say Tosh was overrated but atleast we will know that it he was not a make it or break it element for Cal football’s success goign foward.
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The reason why we’re all scared is that the only reason these 5 star recruits even CONSIDERED Cal was because:
1. They’ve heard great things about Tosh.
2. He coaches up the defensive line very well, looking at the kids he sent to the NFL.
3. He preaches about family and loyalty, which strikes home.
Now he’s gone in the blink of an eye, without even telling his kids (the players he brought into the program) that he’d be gone. Family? Loyalty? What do those have to do with anything? I’m not even pissed that he’s leaving so much (more money is always good for your profession) but that he left in such a way that future recruits may not have that same vision of loyalty and family at Cal — our main/best recruiter having thrown so many kids and the school he owed everything to under the rug.
How will this affect the quality of the team?
I didn’t even know until I read Wilner’s article on it, that we had the best defense in the Pac-12. How much of that is Tosh? Can we get a decent replacement?
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by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 16, 2012 1:55 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Losing Tosh really hurts for a lot of reasons, sure he was a great recruiter
but let’s not overlook how great of a coach he has been for the DL. He has helped coach and produce back-to-back first round picks and has done a great job with our DL. I think that is going to hurt far more than his recruiting.
Perhaps Tedford should have done more to try to keep Tosh, besides just money he should have given him more responsibility.
I really hate Sark and UW.
just curious
if we had to chose Tedford or Tosh, who would you choose?
I think i will take Tedford, but I really wish to have both
TBH honest, at this point in their careers I would take Tosh
That is because I think Tedford has hit his ceiling at Cal.
Plus, it would be nice to have a young defensive minded coach who can bring in and proven to coach up defensive recruits.
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 1:57 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
i’ll gimme the kids who bleed blue and gold, not drink tosh sweat.
if some leave, im fine with that.
Kline, Treggs and the lot who are here for CAL, i’ll ride with them.
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 16, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Recruits seem to believe in Cal more than fans do
Did you watch AA Bowl? Tosh has a special positive energy which put Cal on the national map in a way we’ve hadnt been in modern era. I hope he will be back at some point although a little early to see him as a DC or HC just yet. Rose Bowl 2015 2025. Cal football thanks for keeping me humble.
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by bringbackbuddytrees on Jan 16, 2012 1:58 PM PST reply actions
@RGBearTerritory realizable source from within ad department. Tedford pushed for substantial raise Sandy would not sign off on it..
Retweeted by Ryan Gorcey
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by ch0ster on Jan 16, 2012 2:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I’m pretty sure he picked up his headset to carry it into her office and proceed to smash it on her floor.
by mrjpark on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
lulz
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by Fire Starkey on Jan 16, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
awesome
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Send in an extraction team to get Tosh back
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, CGB...
So good at bringing the DOOM and bringing the funny.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
OMG FIRE SANDY BARBOUR!
"Our sturdy golden troll"
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Damn you, Chianti Sandy!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Wait a second
Ryan is retweeting something from some random Cal twitterer. This is muckraking.
Responsible journalism at its finest y’al!
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Gorcey a reputable journalist?
LOL
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by Maisbikkja on Jan 16, 2012 3:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A round of applause of Avery.
This guy has his head on straight and is keeping everything together.
Dammit, why can’t we as fans be this #based.
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 16, 2012 2:03 PM PST reply actions
I don't think Tosh Lupoi should ever be part of the coaching staff again.
The way he left like a thief in the night was classless. Cal will keep on moving onward and upward. The departure of Tosh might hurt this year’s class but it will not destroy Cal football.
We don't need no meow; we don't need no cats!
It’s like when the Colts left Baltimore.
by mrjpark on Jan 16, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
But then Baltimore got the Ravens and won a super bowl.
It wasn’t all bad. Lol.
We don't need no meow; we don't need no cats!
I disagree.
We don't need no meow; we don't need no cats!
Do you really think we have all the facts of what happened right now?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
I have two facts right now:
1. Tosh is a douche.
2. Fuck everything.
But on a more serious note, of course don’t. And we never will. What we do know is that Tedford most likely pushed for a pay raise to keep one of his best young coaches/recruiters and was denied. This coach then, without telling any of the kids he’d brought in the previous years, blindsided everyone else by ditching a program and trying to poach their top recruit before closing the doors behind him.
I’m not necessarily convinced all of that is true right now.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
I trust Gabe King when he says he had no idea Tosh left. Regardless of any other circumstance (how much more money he’ll make, if he hated Tedford, if this gets him a guaranteed line in the succession to be DC), that alone makes this a despicable move to me.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
I have no reason to disbelieve Gabe King, either, nor do I support leaving in that fashion.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
NICKERSON THE ELDER FOR D-LINE COACH!
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 2:06 PM PST reply actions
Well...
We need to make a hire that gives our current recruiting class enough confidence to stay together. Act smartly, Tedford and co.
Ed Orgeron for the
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
BryceTreggs: Cal’s ranking as the #1 public university in the world can’t leave and go to another school.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM PST reply actions
I blame this all on Baylor
They have always wanted revenge against Cal and Tedford for destroying them back in 2002. If Baylor doesn’t hang so many points on UW, Nick Holt and his staff aren’t fired and Tosh is still at Cal.
FUCK YOU BAYLOR!!!!
Of course the only reason UW played Baylor is because USC cheated and was sanctioned
ITS USC’s FAULT!!!!!!!!
Oh sure, it was only a matter of time.
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Will Tosh be as successful at UW?
From all accounts, what made him such a great recruiter is the way he believed in Cal, and could talk about the Cal family—the fact he was a player then a coach, etc.
I’m guessing it will take some time before he can make the same claim believably about Washington.
Also, he no longer has the #1 public school in the country pitch.
I think Tosh was a great recruiter for Cal, but Cal itself had a lot to do with it. I don’t think Tosh was successful because he hid Cal’s problems, but rather that he could articulate what is great about the University of California—and that, for the most part, is still the same. We just need the next great recruiter to step up!
I think you’re overestimating how much any single factor played into Tosh’s success as a recruiter. Being good at sales is first and foremost a personality thing. There’s no single aspect of the personality that makes or breaks a salesman, it’s a holistic thing. Having a great product to sell that you believe in obviously helps, but it’s not like Tosh is all of a sudden going to forget how to connect with recruits. He will still be a very good recruiter.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think the point is more that with his recent change in environment and lack of really any history with UW, he has no sales pitch in terms of the university itself. From this point on, he can only really pitch himself and the resume of their more well-known coaches — which aren’t bad, by the way. It’s just he loses a huge facet to his game, and we have to see how well he adapts to that.
Completely agree. This isn’t an exact formula, but from the outside it looked like what was winning recruits over was 95% personal charisma, 5% sincere love of Cal. If it were as easy as selling the school, any passionate alum could do it. It’s obviously not that easy.
People are drawn to certain people, and Tosh is clearly one of them. Kids want to be around him. They want to play for him. I expect that will translate wherever.
ghjk
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by Swamphunter on Jan 16, 2012 2:11 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Also
ಠ_à²
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You forgot
ಥ_ಥ
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and also
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Shaq quote from an ESPN article
"He came in for a home visit last night and told me he was thinking about taking the UW job and wasn’t sure what he was going to do. I had heard the rumors for the last week but thought there was no way he was going to leave. Then he called me this morning and said UW gave him an offer that he couldn’t refuse and he was leaving. He asked if I would be interested in looking at Washington and said he wants to come back and visit me next week."
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 2:12 PM PST reply actions
He tells Shaq but not his own players?
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by Berkelium97 on Jan 16, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
THIS 2.0
This is why I’ve lost respect for Tosh. I don’t care that he left. That’s a decision for him and the money was definitely good.
But to keep a recruit more up-to-date than his own players—his own “family”—is pretty damn disgusting.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
DAMN YOU TOSH
I’ve thought this for months, but SHAQ is by far the most important part of this class.
ARGH THIS SUCKS SO HARD. GO FUCK YOURSELF TOSH
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
no no no you can’t pick dominoes back up! Physics doesn’t work that way!!!!!
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
I think so. Shaq is a freak athlete who I believe will be good in the pros. We need safety help and this guy can do it all. Also, he seems to be good buddies with a bunch of our other commits.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I’m hoping that Cal being so close to home for Shaq will keep him here. It’s hard for some of these kids to just pick up everything and leave for a place out of state.
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yep and the whole Syd and mom factor…who both think very highly of Berkeley
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
eh, my guess is Shaq’s gone. one player won’t make the team
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously?
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
This is interesting because UWDawgPound posters think that his parents REALLY don’t want him at Berkeley.
Why?
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
While he’s obviously trying to do his best for his new employer and is completely unsurprising, its shit like this that reinforces that I could never be a used car salesman. Fuck you, Tosh!
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by Fire Starkey on Jan 16, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
So not only does he leave his current players in the dark, he’s also trying to poach now. Great.
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
Yup.
That’s big time college football for you.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
Yet another reason
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Once again, with feeling
ಠ_à²
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Ok, that's the straw that broke the camel's back.
That is incredible. How could he not tell his own players he was gone b4 he starts recruiting for UW?
We don't need no meow; we don't need no cats!
man that's ballsy
I mean, totally expected, but . . .
was Lupoi recruiting for players to play for him, or for Cal? And how is he going to pitch Washington after having worked for them for all of a few hours?
Hey recruits, this place (I’ve heard) is awesome! They paid me a bunch more money! I’m sure it will be a better fit for you!
Well, it seems to have swayed Shaq somewhat. So Tosh is now spinning his magic for another program
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
Shaq always had interest in UW since one of his friends (James Sample?) went there…
TROLL ON YOU BEARS. - atoms
what i don't get
is how a recruiter can just switch sides mid-stream and still maintain credibility. For months he’s been saying Cal is a better place to play than UW, now he turns around and says, actually UW is better? How can you trust that?
That is the downside to the way we recruit. We always sell on the positives of Cal, not the negatives of other schools. So when he turns around and tries to sell the positives of other schools, it isn’t exactly like he’s flip flopping from negative to positive.
Still doesn’t have the family-loyalty cache that helped him so much though.
TROLL ON YOU BEARS. - atoms
I read it somewhere but the trick is not never mention a word about rival schools. He just says everything that is good about Cal. This way he is technically ever putting down other programs just saying what is great about Cal. Recruits don’t have any memory of him saying Wash sucks and it rains five times a week. He will do the same when he gets to Seattle but now it’s time for recruits to compare what he said to them when he was here about Cal and what he is saying now to them about Wash.
Tosh: Wash offers a world class education
Recruit: how does it compare to Cal?
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by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 16, 2012 2:32 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
You’ve never had a boss you’d consider switching jobs for? I have.
I’m not saying it should necessarily be anyone’s sole reason for choosing a college, a place of employment, whatever, but I can’t blame someone if it’s a big factor. People can be important to other people. That’s not crazy.
What some people are failing to see is that this is not just about someone leaving a job to get a better job. This is someone leaving a place that you bleed for and he lead you to believe that he also bleed for it. That there was no place place better or could take its place. Not only does he leave without saying a word, but he goes to work for a rival, the people you are supposed to hate. The people you want least to succeed (not accounting for natural rival, Stanfurd). I know that everyone in here would feel slightly better if he had bolted to some other conference. It would have still sucked none the less. I think we understand that this is part of the business but its also not just one guy leaving one job to find a better one. I think its rational for people to dislike someone who is as of right now actively working to dismantle our elite recruiting class that he was supposed to bring in for us when he was working for us. All in the name of integrity and unity/family. All those things we all believe are real and that we value more then anything anyone could ever offer to us. A person who in this very moment is tirelessly working to recruit to Washington the class that many of us thought would help us finally make a leap to the Rose bowl. This is coming a day removed from him tweeting and preaching the Cal gospel! That being said, He is not the only one to point a finger to. Loyalty is at an all time low and corruption and greed is an all time high. Some of us can also look at our lives we would not be the exception. But I can see how people are sad, mad, angry…how could they not be? maybe we need to start seeing this thing for what it is and not what we wished it could be. We need a more sophisticate way of thinking about this whole thing or we are in for a long road of disappointment. True loyalty and integrity maybe only what we strive for. We may even achieve it sometimes but you can never bottle it. I wouldn’t be shocked to see if Chris Peterson bolted to the University of California if they made him an offer. I would be sad, mad and angry if he did it without saying a word. Leaving everyone at Boise in the cold. I would say to myself, everyone has a price. Or would I? Or would I just be supper ecstatic and happy to see him in a place where he could lead us to glory? I think my head is going to explode now.
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by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 16, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
TL; DR, but...
Leaving everyone at Boise in the cold.
Nothing CP can do about that.
TROLL ON YOU BEARS. - atoms
From the article it looks like a combo of Tosh, Wilcox, and the fact UW was already his 2nd choice.
This is completely expected, and if people are shocked and offended by this then they really need to be completely shocked and offended by bigtime college recruiting in general. This is tame compared to the really slimy stuff.
With the fact that UW was in the mix with Shaq, I don’t see how Tosh has any choice but to go after him. I’m not saying I like it. I’m saying that’s college football.
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by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
HIPSTERS OUT THE ASS
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Here's a link to the article guys
If you have insider and want to share the rest of the quotes from Shaq, it would be appreciated.
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
cliffs
Wilcox recruited Syd and is still close to their family. UW was second choice and he “like[s] them a lot right now.” He’s confused and does’t know what he’s going to do.
Then some fluff on UCLA, but they don’t appear to really be in the mix.
I can't copy+paste because it's a $$$ article, but I'll paraphrase
Shaq: It’s a painful loss because Tosh is the reason Shaq was interested in Cal. Even though he’s not his position coach, it would still be a big loss.
[quote that was posted about about Tosh’s recent visit and telling him about UW]
Shaq says he has a good relationship with Wilcox because Wilcox recruited Syd to play at Cal. Shaq says it’s a tough choice because UW has a lot going for them now. He says he’s confused and isn’t sure what is going to happen now.
Shaq mentions a possible visit to UCLA because he’s not ruling anyone out, but he’s focused on Cal and UW now.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
"He asked if I would be interested in looking at Washington"
I was about to tweet a “thank you, sorry to see you leave, good luck” message to tosh, then I saw this.
What a piece of shit you are, Tosh. Good riddance.
by C98 on Jan 16, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I don’t wish him well at all. I hope he fails miserably.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
THIS
x1,000,000
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I thought it was protocol to leave recruits alone if you bolt for anohter job? And that was what one of the shady things about the Lane Kiffin hire?
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I’ve only been getting into recruiting recently, so I’d love to get more insight on this.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Jim Mora poached UW's DB coach shortly after he was hired.
And shortly after, UW lost a DB commit to UCLA. I believe that was the first of two. This kind of stuff happens all the time.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 17, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
This one?
Let’s not come to any snap judgment before we really have the facts.
Or this one?
Leaving after the season means you’re leaving in the few weeks before LOI day. There’s no way around it.
WE ARE THE 0%
no, how about these...
Really? It’s the classy thing to do. How do you not get that?
Classy….
I completely understand not being happy about it, as you root for Cal football and this is not a good thing for Cal football, but you seem to think there was some fundamental problem with this move, and so far, I’m just not seeing where you’re coming from. People leave one job for another that offers a significant raise all the time. I know I’d love a job offer for 3x what I’m making now. What’s wrong with taking that?
Let’s see, poaching your current employer’s recruits, while you’re on a paid trip by the employer? huh…
I doubt it’s as much about snagging this years recruits as it is about having an ace recruiter for future seasons…
Yeah, that doesn’t quite look so right now either…
I see what you’re trying to do there, that is why I said “entirety” of his posts…
The “classy thing to do” quote is regarding Mike Silver wishing Tosh well. Mike Silver is the one doing the classy thing in that post. Is it no longer classy to generically wish people well in their future endeavors?
The “fundamental problem” quote was a good 45 minutes before the Shaq info was posted. Missing Barry was speaking there towards those who speculate motive regardless of the absence of supporting facts and he was right on point. Facts subsequently coming in that substantiate the raw speculation being discussed are irrelevant to the original point.
And you are as free to invent narratives as to the timing as the next guy. Seeing an opportunity, jumping on it, and trying to do the best for your new employer that you can remains plausible.
We don’t think he did this the right way and it’s not the way we’d do it ourselves. But it’s his fucking career he’s boosting or ruining and thus we generically wish him luck in his future endeavors.
WE ARE THE 0%
This one got a lot of recs:
What I’m telling you to do is to chill on the personal attacks in real time. I’m just going to be frank about this now – it’s because it reflects really poorly on you, and the fanbase, to start attacking someone like that who has done a whole lot of positive things for the school, who’s an alumni of the school, without knowing how things went down. It’s classless. You want to hold Tosh to a higher standard? Start with yourself.
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You are like a bulldog.
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I really do not know what to say . . .
I read almost every comment trying to figure out what I should say, how does one type that they are absolutely speechless?? I guess I just did. I would offer Tosh the best of luck, but I just cannot do that with the knife still in my back. I truly hope that we not only beat udub when they come to Memorial this fall, but absolutely slaughter them . . . my hate for that program has leapfrogged USC and is now at stanfurd levels. Hopefully we can hold this amazing class together until February 1. Go Bears
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I feel all of this. But can you blame UW? They just made an offer to what appears to be a great recruiting coach who beat them repeatedly.
Let’s hope that this turns out to be $500k waste of money on their part.
I don’t really blame them for doing what they did, I just hate them for doing it. One can only hope this turns out to be a major waste of money.
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Washington doesn’t have a very talented defense. That’ll not change next year.
If they play real well next season, I’ll have to give those guys a lot of credit.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Michael Barton told Gorcey
He’s solid.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 2:25 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Love Matt Cochran's dad (https://twitter.com/CalPoppabear209)
He tweeted, and his son re-tweeted, “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of CHALLENGE & controversy #CALGANG”
by oskiwow on Jan 16, 2012 2:25 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
M-E-D-i-O-C-R-i-T-Y...
To just palin suck. Might as well get used to it now. I’ll start drinking boxed wine and Pabst Blue Ribbon just to get the flavor of “worst rushing defense in the Pac-12” mised in real good in my gums.
You think our players are just going to give up and go home?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
This sucks
but Cal can recover from this. New stadium, new facilities. Everything seems headed in the right direction. One guy leaving won’t derail the whole thing imo.
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
To just palin suck.
Freudian slip there?
by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Jan 16, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Clearly
College football is basically a sleazy sport (and a business). However, at least in most businesses, employees sign non-disclosure/non-compete contracts and so cannot cause direct harm to their former-employer, at least not for a year or two. Too bad the same standards don’t apply in the world of BCS football.
Pretty shameful IMHO.
That traitor!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Tosh's last tweet
Bears on the hunt!!! Cal finished as the #1 Total Defense in the Pac12 yet again. Back to Back years baby!! Lets Eat #calgang #Cal
I can’t decide of he’s a giant douche or just a turd sandwich?
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 16, 2012 2:27 PM PST reply actions
It's a thinly veiled threat!
There’s no punctuation between “Eat” and “#calgang #Cal”.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone have a list of our committed players who may de-commit? Also, anyone who we were targeting that we can pretty much have no chance at now? Damn this sucks . . . I was hoping for a big commitment from Armstead today and instead I get this steaming pile of dawg shit.
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Just wait for signing day, dude. No use getting in a tizzy right now
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
You should have a lloong talk w/ your fellow Cal fans.
I like your site, there are a lot of interesting people, but WOW what a negative viewpoint!
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone.
Because, well, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Cal will obtain NCAA records...
for being the first school to have zero recruits.
Yes, there is.
For the first 5 minutes of every football game.
You don't seem them in class?
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.
Welp
I know what I’m doing.
Going to the liquor store to bring stuff home to get blitzed on.
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Hope he enjoys the rain! (I grew up there)
by CalAlum on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
UC Berkeley is bigger than one meathead football coach.
We aren’t Penn state, USC, Ohio state, etc.
Put our money into our physics, history and chemistry professors.
Cheer for our school, regardless of some recruit or some coach.
by JoeCarr on Jan 16, 2012 2:32 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
If you went to UC Berkeley for the football, that’s kind of a problem. Our other, more important departments have been a little more successful.
Well, this is a Cal athletics blog not an academics blog.
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i was not a fan of college football before when I went to Cal
i became a fan my junior year, and became a huge fan after graduating.
That said, what I am saying is, we really really care about Cal football. Especially the people here who’s spending their valuable time at CGB.
Honestly… Cal having a football team was part of the reason why I went to Cal. We all applied to and got into more than one school with strong academics. Some of us picked Cal over those partially because of football.
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i wanted to go to a pac10 school coming out of high school. i applied to cal, furd, usc, uclol, and a couple ivies that mom wanted me to. after visiting palo alto, despite many family members being furdies, did not like. it was like, i drove 400miles to be in the same place. and well…usc and uclol…are well…usc and uclol.
my main problem with tosh leaving is that, with these monster recruiting classes, it really felt that we were closing the talent gap between our boys are likes of usc. like “roses before we die, no seriously, there’s a good chance. like really really it’s no joke” close. now…we’re kinda back to a position of recruiting uncertainity. who knows whether future classes will be as talented…getting multiple pick ups at aa army game on national tv…?
well…what’s done is done. go bears. the bears will never quit. will never. go bears.
Yeah, but no one knows who is leaving for sure yet. I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised with the guys that have come out and said they’re solid. Both Treggs and Barton are great recruits and they both said they’re solid.
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
So....
I wasn’t going to make it, but as of right now, I’m making the trip up the 5 and attend the Washington game this season.
Opener vs Nevada, @ Ohio State, @ USC, and now Washington.
Shit just got real.
no bear, no care
Don’t pin you hopes too high on “revenge” games. See, Holiday Bowl 2011.
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
Holiday Bowl revenge meant nothing to the players.
UW? I think it might mean a little.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Compares Washington’s athletes on defense to Texas’ athletes on defense
Oh I’ll hope all right.
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by Thoroughbred on Jan 16, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I was there and trolling hard too. Will repeat.
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Then you sir, are a better man than I. GO BEARS
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
Does this mean we get to boo UW players when they fake injuries?
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 2:39 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
come on
If there’s one opposing coach we should boo the hell out of, it’s him. He’s a backstabber, period.
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 2:50 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I <3 U
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Bad enough I tempted juju this morning
#shouldn’thavemadepchopsthatpredictthefuture
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Hiring an O-coordinator before a Head Coach would be a Raiders-like move.
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Sitting at a Peets right now.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 16, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope they start showing Shaq and Arik and Ellis and Aziz where real Cal love can be found.
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I think about half the current verbal commits have reiterated their Cal-ness at this point.
Inspiring and completing since1997 since2010!
by Fire Starkey on Jan 16, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
The most important ones?
Everyone’s pretty important. Tagaloa, Powe, Kline, Treggs, Harper, Moore, Cochran, Barton, Nickerson…that’s huge.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed, a team is more than just one player
each kid is just as important as the next one.
ok, i take that back
they are all important, yes.
I meant the ones that’s part of the dominoes who may have more influence on other big time recruits who are verbally commited and ones who’s still considering Cal.
Nice.
Also, I’m not too worried because (and this is such an awesome thing to be able to say)…
Cal’s facilities >>>>>>>> UW facilities.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Driving home
I was all ready to forgive Tosh and wish him well…and then I read the Shaq quote and my rage is back on fully.
It’s funny because I never get that worked up about sports…this really ticks me off.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It’s funny because I never get that worked up about sports
Ya could have fooled me.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Again this is the exception
I get excited about sports but not negatively.
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Dear Tosh et al., Here some comparisons between school.
business
UC Berkeley- 7
UW- not top 25
history
UC Berkeley- 1
UW- not top 25
biology
UC Berkeley- 2
UW- 15
english
UC Berkeley- 1
UW- not top 25
engineering
UC Berkeley- 3
UW- not top 25
ps. these are US news & world report rankings, which i think generally sucks, but you get the idea
Unfortunately
all that matters is
Tosh: $500K
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that’s why Tosh came to Cal for his schooling
by LEastCoastBears on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
That's a little rough on UW
Yeah, they aren’t Berkeley. But a lot of those programs you describe as “not top 25” are actually pretty good. Their business school is #37, history #26, english #29, engineering #27. And remember that these are grad school rankings, which don’t necessarily correlate with the quality of the undergrad program.
F*** everything about this.
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by Rishi on Jan 16, 2012 3:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I think there should be special sponsorship for days like this. Like Snapdragon brings you Tosh Lupoi’s departure from Cal…
Having a running twitter dialog with Mike Silver now...
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Nope
he just talks about how it’s a dirty game and UW beat out the Bears. He even wished Tosh luck.
I don’t get it.
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I get it
he knows Tosh personally and may know more about this situation and the general sentiments of the program than we do (at least more than me)
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
Silver hasn’t exactly been a Tedford fan for awhile. Not surprising he takes Tosh’s side.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
This I don't get
Tedford takes an absolutely horrid program…brings it up to national fame while improving academics and basically building the stadium/facility.
No matter what happens with Cal Football, I will also be indebted to Tedford as a Cal fan.
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I think it’s a common sentiment now that Tedford needs to develop a QB soon for him to regain goodwill with a lot of Golden Bear nation.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I get this
but it’s like when I debate people about Sabean as the Giants GM…go check out the record/results under his regime versus his predecessors….it’s not even close.
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Memories are short when Rose Bowls are at stake.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not Tedford’s fault that Riley thought that he was Tebow.
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That was almost 5 years ago, how long do we keep make excuses
how long do excuses like this buy a coach? I think it is time to put this one to rest.
?
I have a new shiny stadium and facilities to look at.
I have a bunch former Cal players playing in the NFL right now who were recruited and coached by Tedford.
I am not going to blame Tedford for the fact that Riley became a basket case and Nate got hurt.
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4. Profit!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
I still don’t get it. how many cups of vinegar do I use and how long does it cook for?
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
Are we talking about the bread I’m baking on this thread too?
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Personally, I think he is down on Tedford for the fake injury thing.
I don’t get it because what Tosh was clearly not classy…understandable but not classy. You can say I understand the move but disappointed at the way it’s done.
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For all you don’t know, Tosh said, “I GOT THIS ONE COACH” because he was everything that was ever good about Cal football.
WE ARE THE 0%
Certainly Tedford is awful for Cal football
Looks like from Silver’s tweets that
1) The decision was not “sudden” and
2) Tedford threw Tosh under the bus.
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Maybe as appreciation for what the person did for the program while he was working for it?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
I never wish people who are trying to defeat me good luck. That seems an odd thing to do. If I wanted them to have good luck, why wouldn’t I just surrender?
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by CalBear81 on Jan 16, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Question for you – did you ever play sports?
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Question for you — do you treat absolutely everything in the world with deadly seriousness?
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In the world? Of course not. But we’re talking about California fucking Golden Blogs here.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like we often misinterpret each other.
by Missing Barry on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think it comes from him covering the NFL for so long. Business is business
It’s the wishing Tosh well part I don’t get.
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yeah, i didn’t expect that… maybe it’s just that he’d get in loads of trouble for saying “F**k tosh” from yahoo.
It's funny
because he talked about how he would block any UW fans who tried to recruit Shaq away from Cal…he would then need to block Tosh’s twitter.
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It’s the wishing Tosh well part I don’t get.
Really? It’s the classy thing to do. How do you not get that?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Even if you’re angry at Tosh and feel wronged, the classy way to handle that is still to refrain from personal attacks, keep the anger to yourself, and just wish someone the best.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
You can say nothing…
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Yes, that is one way to go, and not a bad way, either. Wishing someone well is another path you can take.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Here is his tweet
Thanks @Coach_Lupoi for the hard work as a Cal student, athlete & coach. You will always be a Bear and we’ll miss you. Bear does not quit…
Goes way beyond wishing him well.
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Sounds reasonable. My reaction to that is someone who knows Tosh, who’s much closer to the situation than us, has no ill will about this decision and sincerely wishes him the best suggests to me that maybe we don’t have a good reason to be so angry at Tosh?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
This
I think he got an earful from Tosh about the situation..he is definitely taking Tosh’s side on this…his whole blocking UW fans is quite hilarious.
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That’s not hard to get at all. Besides, it’s very plausible that Tosh may return to Berkeley as his career progresses. You don’t want to burn that bridge.
by LEastCoastBears on Jan 16, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
I think Wilcox will be gone from UW as soon as he gets a HC offer
and he probably brings Tosh with him as his DC.
Hopefully Wilcox will get a HC job here pretty soon and take Tosh with him out of the Pac12.
Or….Wilcox to Cal in 2013/2014, with Tosh as d-coordinator?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
LOL, maybe?
I was a lot higher on Wilcox before his stint at Tennessee, how much of his struggles at Tennessee were a result of Wilcox or the mess that he walked into after Kiffin left I don’t know. He also wasn’t at Tennessee very long.
I suppose if Wilcox came back to Cal as the HC Tosh might follow him back here.
Be careful. It goes both ways.
It isn’t out of the question that someday Lupoi may want to be a defensive coordinator (or head coach.) And it isn’t out of the question that he could want to return to berkeley to do that. The reports of the way he did this (not telling his players and trying to “steel” recruits) is disappointing, but no reason to burn bridges on our end.
Exactly how I feel, I think the most disappointing thing about all this is the way Tosh left
I think the way he left means he probably is never coming back to Cal, at least not while Tedford is associated with Cal.
Money
It’s all about the money in the end. Don’t think paying him HALF a million bucks is truly worth it given the state of UC finances. Doesn’t look good with the various other factors at play. Of course, Tedford could have offered to give himself a pay cut.
by CalAlum on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
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Just talked to #Salesian coach Chad Nightingale, who said he just talked to Freddie Tagaloa, and that Tagaloa “is still solidly with Cal.”
It seems that most of our recruits are hanging on.
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Confirmed Bryce Treggs, Hardy Nickerson Jr., Michael Barton, Freddie Tagaloa, Steven Moore, Chris Harper, Darius Powe still Cal commits.
It really helps that Avery’s really going all out to keep the gang together.
Treggs too. first one to say he’s solid… can we get him + Avery to replace Tosh as recruiting coordinator?
I wonder
if there wasn’t a damage control plan in place from the moment Tedford heard about the offer? And I wonder what it might have been. Do you call everyone like a scene from Jerry Maguire?
Dumb question
Avery? Avery Sebastian?
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
lol… how can we make sure he gets a call EVERY night from the cold-callers form the Alumni association asking to donate to Cal??
and we can use this to tell the recruits that Cal education = making more money in the future
by LEastCoastBears on Jan 16, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Dawg insight
As a Dawg from a family of Bears, this is bittersweet. One of the most garbage defenses gets the best recruiter in the West/possibly the country. But I really dislike how much money he is getting (that’s where my tuition goes) and I find it in really poor taste for him to leave Cal. He seemed like a Bear to the bone, but now it’s pretty clear that he is full of crap.
I have no idea about specifics of the UW athletics department, but in general football salaries aren’t paid with anyone’s tuition.
God dammit!! Tedford totally scammed me out of 8k in 2009 then!!!
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
This
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This.
To my understanding, the school takes all the money they have and allocate a certain amount any given year to each department. Donors can say “I’m giving you 10 million dollars for Cal Football,” and it will have to go to our football department. Your tuition does not go directly to their pay roll.
Well, that is true when you follow how things are accounted for, but in the end…it’s all just one big pot. Money that goes to football is money that isn’t going to say, building maintenance or operation costs.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, keep a close eye on Tosh… it seems deep pockets can woo him, but your tuition doesn’t pay him (unless they’re doing weird stuff up there)
i think this will bite Sark in the ass.
500k for an assistant coach is massive in the Pac-10. He will have to get immediate results in the defense, and immediate big recruits (wasn’t Cochran a Seattle recruit? If they don’t get him now, it will seem like a bad gamble). Otherwise this payscale is not supportable for his department (and will lead to bad blood between the much-less remunerative positions held by the other assistant coaches).
What hasn’t been talked about here is the obvious story that by PAYING for Tosh, Sark is basically gambling that he can BUY Shaq and Cochran (or was it Ellis?) and the other big-time commits that were wavering between Cal and UW. THAT is why it happened now (before LOI). I think this is totally shady and kind of worse than Willie Lyles. How about if we waited until Alabama’s west-coast recruiter was about to land another stellar class, then gave him a giant raise for one year to try to snag his recruits?
I doubt it’s as much about snagging this years recruits as it is about having an ace recruiter for future seasons…
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
But there’s a good chance that he will be leaving UW as soon as he gets a better offer from somewhere else.
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Wilcox left Tennessee before they had a good defense
if he gets UW a “decent” defense and a school comes afer him he will leave.
They were top 30 by most measures last year.
With a top 30 defense we would have won 10 games last year.
Does that include the cream puffs that Tennessee got fat off of?
Plus the SEC East offenses were terrible this season.
We will see how well he does at UW. If he does do well I think he could be gone within the next 2-4 years.
Although if he does leave maybe Tosh stays as your DC now.
I agree that he'll likely be gone in a few years if he does well.
He did a pretty good job at UT, apparently his defense was full of inexperiences players, just like it will be at UW.
We don’t really know that, though, unless you’re close with Tosh? We’ve had Tosh leaving rumors before, which suggests he has turned down offers in the past. Apparently this one was good enough he couldn’t turn it down. What about this offer was so good? Obviously the money was good. Very unlikely that’s the only factor, though.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
And the whole defensive line thing.
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If that were true...
….he’d leave after signing day.
If I was a recruit that was counting on playing for Tosh and he left right after I signed a binding agreement, I’d be pretty pissed. I’m also not seeing your argument why hiring him now means it MUST be about this years recruiting class – if UW found a coach they wanted, why wouldn’t they want to get him signed as soon as possible, even if they really want him for future seasons?
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Sure but why Lupoi? and why now? There are plenty of other ace recruiters. And there are other times of the year to make a change that don’t completely screw over your conference partner.
Well, he has a strong relationship with their new d-coordinator for one. In addition to being an ace recruiter, he fits an open position they have. What other time of year is there to make the coaching change? Seriously, this is when coaching changes are most common – right after the season.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
NCAA
It isn’t broken until it hurts a blue blood school.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 16, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
This is a tipping point...
With fans, donors, etc. If Tedford doesn’t win, and I mean win BIG next year, then Sandy will fire him. No way in the world can you lose a class like this, and we will lose the biggies like Shaq, Ellis, etc., and not feel ramifications. Those improvements to the stadium require full buy in from everyone, and not a coach who’s dividing the fan base.
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HEY RECRUITS ARE YOU READING THIS?
WE WILL LOSE YOU!!! YOU WERE ONLY COMING TO CAL BECAUSE OF TOSH!!!
WE ARE THE 0%
by zoonews on Jan 16, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
i want our 2012 class to be made up of only kickers, punters, and long snappers
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 16, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
apparently its all you need to win a National Championship!
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by berkeleyboy510 on Jan 16, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
OMG you guys can be hilarious
Gotta come back some more to see if I can learn to tell when your seriously depressed, mocking yourselves, mocking others, or mocking life in general.
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What about 2* bloggers? Are there any openings?
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Or maybe Sandy, who doesn’t realize that if we want to play with the big boys, we need to pay like them. You can’t have a roster of coaches being paid like they’re in the MWC and expect to compete at a BCS level. I find it ridiculous that that’s what we’re asking out of Tedford. “We heard you can shit out gold, so please do it or you’re fired.” Sandy does understand this to a degree, which is why she’s so committed with Tedford. He’s a coach that we can afford where we won’t fall completely out of relevancy.
Tedford could have gone somewhere else for a lot more…Sandy was not cheap when it came to keeping him.
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Yes, his contract was very favorable to him, but more in job security than pure cash. A lot of it is contingent on bonuses from him winning a lot of games and never leaving.
Look at the facility they built!!!
The big boys- is that who we’re trying to be? USC, Penn State, Ohio State?
It seems that’s why a lot of people are unhappy with Tedford. I’m saying if we want to take it to that next level and consistently beat the USC’s of the world, then we have to pay our coaches. I’m glad the SAPC went through, it’s a great first step. But it doesn’t help if we don’t pay our coaches and they all leave for higher paying jobs.
How in the world do you put that on Tedford?
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or, do you mean the other sports at Cal?
I think keeping our asst. coach salaries in line with the rest of the Pac-12 is okay, and probably the most responsible thing to do in the current climate.
I’d rather have a lot of quality programs in our athletics department than one giant money-sucker. Even if I happen to enjoy the money-sucker the most.
I agree with this but football is not a money sucker.
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This.
The money suckers are actually all those other sports we have that run at a net loss every year that football has to support.
what I’m saying is that if you gave all our asst. coaches 500k salaries, there wouldn’t be anything left for the other sports. Football subsidizes the less-popular sports, and their frequently stellar student athletes. I don’t want to see that change.
But you don’t need 500k salaries, that was overkill. If we weren’t paying him jack sh*t in comparison to others, the difference in salaries wouldn’t have been so overwhelming. This is all under the assumption that money was the largest factor in his move.
Do remember he’s turned down multiple offers, many of them most likely much more realistic. What UW is paying him is obviously too much, but it shows how much they value a good defensive line and not losing all their Washington recruits to Cali schools. Honestly, if UW had better defensive line play, it would have made all the difference in the world with their offense this year. They know it.
football generates the most money
and helps to run all the other athletic programs.
It’s worth investing in it.
One thing I’ve always wondered about – I wonder how much negotiating Tedford has done for assistant pay. A head coach should know he needs good assistants, and I’ve definitely heard of some coaches making their assistant pay a big time negotiating point…wonder how much Tedford did along those lines, if any. I have no idea.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
The rumor is that Tedford approved of a raise, but Sandy wouldn’t sign off on it.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Impressive use of italics.
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Sandy is just as (if not more) responsible for this muck-up.
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MissingBarry, is that you??
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i think the closest thing
was Mariucci leaving after one year.
Hope this doesn’t turn out as big of a disaster as that was
by JoeCarr on Jan 16, 2012 3:32 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Tom Holmoe for defensive line coach?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
nono
Steve Marshall for D-Line coach
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
AAAAAAAALLLLLLAAAAMMAAARRRRRRRRR
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 16, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Marshall really knows how to make a D Line succeed!
by Flag Guy on Jan 16, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
This made me laugh.
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it all makes sense now
Jon Huntsman for DLine coach
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 16, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
the disaster was felt most by the Detroit Lions
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 17, 2012 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
RUH ROH
Just talked to Guss Armstead,father of Armond,Arik…Tosh Lopoi & Tedford visited Arik at Elk Grove home last night,together.Stunned at news
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
They also said that Washington is not on Arik’s radar though. Looks like we might lose him to Auburn or Notre Dame.
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
If true, this is what makes the whole decision so slimy.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Do you have a link to the specific tweet? I cant seem to find it on there.
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Dear parent,
If Mr Lupoi doesn’t have loyalty to his alma mater and employer, what makes you think he’ll have loyalty to your son? A different job comes along in a year or 2 (D coordinator) he’ll be gone, and your son will be stuck in the fog.
Sorry Cal fans
This sucks. Still, remember, everyone said our recruiting would drop off the map after Harbaugh left, and we’re about to pull in our highest rated class in school history. I know the situations aren’t exactly the same, but you guys will pull through.
"Sports don't build character, they reveal it."
Truth
Shaw and Furd are delivering with this class. Hopefully The Big Game becomes the biggest game of them all the next few years.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Dang it
don’t make me say good things to a Furd fan…
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You know Cal fans are in full melt down mode when a cardinal fan has to cheer us up
by SDBear on Jan 16, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Cardinal? What kinda of a mascot is that? A bird, a color, a religious figure?
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The sentiment is appreciated,
but I read that post as “your ace recruiter just walked away AND your cross-town rival is recruiting better than ever” which doesn’t really improve my disposition. :(
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Thank you. I said it.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Well, a Stanford fan is trying to cheer us up.
Now, I’ve seen EVERYTHING!
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he's from Psych-Ops
or she. it might be Condi Rice
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 17, 2012 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
Question:
Who can think of a bigger freak out/meltdown in recent Cal history?
let’s wallow in our misery by remembering all the other times we’ve had horrible things happen to our football team! wheeeeeeeeeeeee!
by ucsdgoldenbear on Jan 16, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I threw a temper tantrum of this level when I got water with ice in it recently at the Cheesecake Factory despite demanding no ice.
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@MikeSilver
Michael Silver @MikeSilver
I will block every single udub fan who taunts cal or courts our recruits. And i will like it.
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Yeah, he started that a couple hours ago.
I’m loving it. He publicly posts everyone he blocks, too.
Yeah, I care 1000% less about his opinions now
after that Raiders hack-job article he wrote.
Glad he’s still promoting Cal and all that, but the respect is GONE.
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i still like him ’cause he maintains that cal is the center of the universe despite what he wrote about the raiders.
Cal is definitely still the center of the universe. The fact that he recognizes that fact doesn’t mean he’s not a douche.
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at what point do we use an overflow thread?
The Rose Bowl is too mainstream anyway.
by KeenanAllenFett on Jan 16, 2012 3:51 PM PST reply actions
UW Dawg Pound
have hired all of CBG writers and mods.
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Ahhh
CGB
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I thought he was referring to my team of writers and mods that come up with the material for my comments.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
OK, double credit . . .
but seriously, could you give us a list of names & phone numbers?
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
glad to see that you’re still loyal to Cal.
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Twist is now running the show at Rule of Tree
We’re trying to talk Hydro out of joining Utah Southern
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by Berkelium97 on Jan 16, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Tomorrow, I’m holding a news conference to let you all know where I’m taking my talents.
I’ll have many hats on the table. KFC. Popeye’s. Jack in the Box. And Carl’s Jr. has been showing me a lot of love lately.
Old Toothwrangler
Jack in the Box has offered 100000 Jumbacos
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
I wrote this on Twitter...
Being a Cal football fan is like being Charlie Brown to college football’s Lucy. Somehow, the football always gets pulled out from us.
Lawrence Ross
Where is turkey?
I nominate him for Super Troll Bowl MVP
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 3:53 PM PST reply actions
I don't know
that UW “fan” earlier is a serious contender
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Should have made him DC or some kind of under-the-table “we’ll hire you as head coach when we let Jeff go.” For those that think he was too young to be such a coach, fine I spot you that. But he was certainly talented in the most important thing in CFB: recruiting. He’s a young Phill Fullmer. OC’s and DC’s can be hired, but to have that charismatic leader who excels at recruiting is what Cal really needed.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I gave that a little thought, and one thing I had that I think is a legit reason Tosh needs more experience before being a head coach – at this point, he just isn’t well connected with other coaches. He’s a great recruiter, so I have no doubt that would help him get coaches he wanted to hire to come, but he just really doesn’t know that many coaches since he’s been at Cal under the same coach his whole career. Moving around a bit and networking expands the pool of guys you can consider for jobs when you’re looking to fill them. Just look at Tedford and how many coaches he knows personally from his career. Tosh doesn’t have that yet.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
but as we see $ buys you talented coaches and Cal could win with a legit OC and DC teamed with an ace recruiter. Great recruiters are so rare. If there’s one thing to pay top dollar for it’s a recruiter like tosh.
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--Coach Clark
I agree. I think this was a significant step back for the program, and I’m now less enamored where Tedford and co are heading without Tosh.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Tepper is not amused
@MikeTepper79 Mike Tepper
This is what happens when you throw one of your own under the bus, @PlayClassyBears —> Oregon last year… #LoveForLupoi
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 3:57 PM PST reply actions
what will the Cal Lupoi’s ever do?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I’ve been waiting to hear your thoughts on this. You must be pleased.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
it sucks.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I kid.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I think someone just beat Tepper
around the corner to sack Maynard.
IMO, he is right. I will never understand why Cal and Tedford had to be the one school to take the heat for “faking” injuries.
Because we did it poorly, and because people were dumb enough to think that it was the reason that we shut down Oregon's offense.
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by AERose on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
We faked like 1 injury. Out of like 80 plays. It was pretty fucking stupid to even bring it up.
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Arik Armstead told us just now that “Tosh was a big reason I’d go 2 Cal.” Said now “I’ve got more to think about.” May announce tomorrow now.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I seriously don't get the national appeal of Auburn.
You’re down to Berkeley, a nationally competitive university in ND with the greatest football tradition in all of football, you hold offers from every school in the country – and you want to go to the school that all the other SEC teams mock for being jerkwater rednecks? Over the ’Bamas, LSUs, or actual good schools like Florida? Sure, why not.
Somewhere, somehow, a Duck is watching you.
He's on a plane.
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It was fantastic."
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I know....
but nowadays they have phones on planes.
Easier to txt?
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
NO! Dammit. I lose.
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Now, he's on a boat.
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Supposedly Tedford is flying somewhere
Maybe he was flying to Florida to interview for the Dolphins of Bucs HC job?
It seems to have been a very long flight.
He's flying to Foxborough...
…to hire Bill Belichick. Belichick will leave the Pats 2 weeks before the Super Bowl and he’s bringing Tom Brady with him.
Nah, he's flying to Green Bay.
Aaron Rodgers is one who might be available (and he’s better anyway).
Didn't the same thing happen when the allies invaded Gold, Juno, Utah, Omaha, and Sword beaches?
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
what a bold, bitchin move by Udub. Sark, Harby (when he was there), Kelly, and now Leach…bunch of guys who don’t give a fuck. Then we have captain conservative over here with a broke ass athletic department. Maybe we can’t compete with USC – maybe even Stanfurd money. But we should out-compete the UDub’s of the world.
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by carp on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm inclined to be furious as a die hard Cal fan, but for a 500k salary
I would wear a ’furd hoody, USC cap, Washington sweatpants, and paint a burnt orange Longhorn logo on my forehead every day for the rest of my life.
Breech Trollin so hard
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 4:03 PM PST reply actions
Cam Jordan on twitter...
@camjordan94
Good luck to coach Lupoi great cal dlinemen and even better Dline coach… #calgang 4life
Heh even Colin Cowherd has weighed in
@ESPN_Colin: Top recruiter leaves Cal for Washington—what’s his pitch—"All that stuff I said for 2 years about Cal being great,um, i meant Washington’
You know
I’m all for wishing folks well even after they move on from Cal….but Tosh was completely classless in this act…not letting anybody know…lying…
I want him to fail at UW and come crying back to us, at which point Follett will be on our staff as an ace recruiter and we tell Tosh to fuck off.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
by FrankCohen on Jan 16, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Don’t know about this claim that he didn’t let anyone know, since he did apparently told Shaq Thompson (okay, so it might be a part of trying to get Shaq to also go to U-Dub).
Even if he was entertaining other options (but it does appear that U-Dub quickly moved in on him once they found the money), Tosh probably got more kids to commit by not giving them doubts about not going to Berkeley. Now that most of these kids had committed and be branded as a future part of the Cal team, they will get scrutinized by their peers if they do decide to bolt because of Tosh.
by LEastCoastBears on Jan 16, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Scummy move by Tosh
Telling Shaq he might go to UW while he was still part of Cal’s staff…
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
by FrankCohen on Jan 16, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In my opinion, depends on the context. What we know now with Shaq certainly doesn’t look good, and if he was telling a recruit like Shaq that but at the same time, not telling players/coaches/admin at Cal, definitely not good. I can see a plausible scenario where he doesn’t want to lie to recruits and is just open and honest with them about his own intentions – but if he was really being open/honest, I’d also expect him to tell Cal people that. I’m not saying I think this scenario is what happened, just that it’s something I wouldn’t find objectionable.
by Missing Barry on Jan 16, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
FUCK Cowherd
His opinions are less than insignificant.
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Interesting...(not sure how reliable it is though)
From Gorcey:
1
Hearing there was a succession plan for Lupoi to ascend to DC, but it fell through.
Plan involved Pendergast moving on as soon as this year, but that didn’t happen.
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Leaving after this last season? Or the upcoming season?
Leaving after this season makes little sense to me unless Pendergast got a DC job in the NFL.
Not sure, it could be interpreted either way.
If it’s after the 2011 season “that didn’t happen” could mean Pendergast didn’t get any NFL offers that he wanted.
If it’s after the 2012 season “that didn’t happen” means it won’t happen because Lupoi is gone.
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I’m wondering if Tedford was getting a little antsy about the success of Tosh compared to what Tedford was doing.
Clearly there’s a equilibrium where assistants help the HC’s career by helping him win games but they can also hurt the HC’s career by becoming more valuable than the HC. At and beyond this point, it’s a conflict of interest for Tedford to promote his promote his eventual replacement.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Who saw ZackFollett's tweets about going back to Cal
I dont know how to do fancy block quotes on this thing
ZakarianFollett Zack Follett
"@freshfunk5: @ZakarianFollett Pain train, you coming back to Cal? :) #gobears #calgang" – would love to! I could get recruits!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Donovan Edwards on twitter confirming Tepper’s tweet that Oregon blame game was big factor for Tosh. Can’t quote because it’s not all in context, look at convo between @RGBearTerritory, @MikeTepper79 and @DonovanEdwards
oh cool, more ammo for other schools to use against us in recruiting! it’s fine when doofuses like us speculate on the interwebs, but I’d like to see some restraint from former players airing our dirty laundry
Tony Gonzalez? University of California?
Pretty much this.
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
This is absurd. Do these guys have inside info? Or are they just speculating?
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me
Pure speculation
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I dunno…those guys were there to hear the official and unofficial reports.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
What good does it do anyone to air it out.
by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
your operating under the premise that everyone loves Tedford.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
First of all, sometimes personal loyalties are going to run deeper than school loyalties. How that affects their credibility, and whether you think less of them because they’re taking Tosh’s side, that’s up to you. But it’s not entirely surprising.
Second, in the world of social media, people say things without thinking.
Exactly, so they would have a decent idea of what was going on
during that time.
Well Edwards was still with the team when this happened right? Tepper probably still had a lot of friends still on the team when this happened.
I am sure players had a good idea what was going on, maybe Tosh even confided in some?
Who knows how true but I am willing to give player/recent ex-players a bit more BOD when it comes to this.
I have a hard time believing that JT might have actually instructed his defensive players to fake injuries or told his defensive coaches to have their players fake injuries. It’s worth noting that of Cal’s players that seemed to have recurring injury problems that game, I think they were mostly (and maybe only) Cal’s defensive linemen. To me, I think it’s much more plausible to believe that Lupoi acted alone and without Tedford’s knowledge than under Tedford’s direction.
I think a lot of people also say that Lupoi had to be acting under JT’s orders too because it’s impossible for something like that to happen without JT’s knowledge. Well, as someone who has worked for the team, based on my experiences and what I saw I think it is very possible for a lot of stuff to go on that the head coach does not know about.
Count me as one of those that believes that Tedford didn’t throw Lupoi under the bus.
Tedford hasn’t shown any penchant for cheating, so it seems strange to me that all of a sudden he would resort to cheating.
by HydroTech on Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hiyo!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully Tosh’s replacement didn’t bang my (now) wife in high school.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
by carp on Jan 16, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Might this post out-rec Rishi’s now SBN-wide famous “I <3 cock” post?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
by carp on Jan 16, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
#I'm only saying this because you walked into it
Dude, you’re really limiting our choices!
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
#we're only saying this because it is the next logical step
Does it really limit our choices THAT much?
WE ARE THE 0%
I fail at things?
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by CalBandGreat on Jan 16, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
/daps
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Maybe Cal shouold only hire DLine coaches from that list. Can we get a few names to vet?
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I’m still going with the new title and vastly increased salary until I heard something from a source other than butthurt Mike Tepper.
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
It’s a data point. When someone makes a move like this it’s rarely for just one reason. I’m inclined to believe he wasn’t happy with the incident or how the repercussions were handled, regardless of whose fault it really was or wasn’t.
How much that mattered to today’s decision…who knows? We’d have to consider a lot more data points to get the whole story…and the reality is most of us in the alum/fan public will never really know everything about what happened.
If he was really that upset about the incident and wanted to get away from Cal, why didn’t he accept Texas’ offer last offseason?
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That's what I'm thinking
Makes the “injury-gate” fallout rumors seem less credible
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True, but it’s probably not as big of a deal as Tepper et al. are making it out to be.
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what about butt hear Donovan Edwards?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
David Seawright is in agreement with them.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
He really means it.
One post for each ankle.
pound pound pound
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by Redonkulous Bear on Jan 16, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Shaq
It looks like Lawyer Milloy is trying to help Tosh out and is recruiting Shaq for UW. Is that allowed?
Perhaps a bit ironically, Shaq still has “A CAL BEAR for life” as his sig on twitter
by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Jan 16, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know. He’s a Lawyer, so he probably knows what he’s talking about.
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You mean he’s bluffing? Good show!
no bear, no care
by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Managers are judged...
on how they retain their critical staff. Tedford lost the a key employee he had to keep, perhaps the ONLY one. It’s fair to say that I’ve lost what little confidence I had left in the man, and in the program under his direction.
Not sure if I renew at this point, guess I should wait to see how it shakes out. Fucking unbelievable.
by Pimentel's Cookies on Jan 16, 2012 6:00 PM PST reply actions
They are also judged on how well they execute contingency plans. Let’s hope that’s rolling.
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by EchoOfSilence on Jan 16, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know as much about the man as I probably should
But after Nick Holt, anyone will be welcome.
"Fuck this shit. Is this fucking season over yet? It is? Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a stick! Get Nick Holt on the phone NOW! Stupid motherfucker forces us to score touchdowns on every possession, and we still can't win the Alamo Bowl? Hey, asshole! It's Steve Sarkisian. You're fucking FIRED, you FUCK!"
Cal Bears are screwed
Damn, how many 5-star recruits are we going to lose in 2 weeks?
(I mean from recruits’ perspective—doesn’t anything else matter?) Also, primo lame-o of Tosh to go prior to LOI day.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 16, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Deja Vu
I was a little surprised when I first heard this. UW poached Oregon State’s strong recruiting, secondary coach just last week. Sarkisian obviously isn’t afraid to ruffle feathers in the Pac-12 north.
It can’t be. No fan base can take this much coach-related (non-scandalous) bad news in one day.
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But we're Cal
This is our way of life.
by TheScientist019 on Jan 16, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know how much credibility this guy has… but if this is true, then I think Washington will come off looking like the sleeziest program around.
We thought that was a nice touch.
Try tailgating on Lake Union the next time you visit; outstanding!
by HuskyInExile on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
No they won't.
They’ll just seem like a team on the rise, working to get the best coaches around. No one see as sleazy but us.
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I think you’re wrong. First of all, they’re not on the rise at all… back to back 7-6 seasons would show that AND they’re recruiting has been awful. They would come off as totally desperate and sleezy.
Well, I personally don’t think they’re on the rise. I’m just saying that the general public will simply look at this as a team’s attempts to get better.
Seriously, I don’t see any talking heads or reporters calling these moves “sleazy.” They’ll just see them as shrewd business moves.
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