2011 Cal @ Washington Post-Game Thoughts
(1) Close Games Come Down to the Small Things. This was a pretty close game -- score-wise -- at least. And when it comes down to close games, every small thing matters. A dropped pass could mean the difference of a drive surviving and resulting in a score. One bad block and a run is stuffed putting the offense in a third and long. One missed sack on the defense can allow the opposing QB to complete a pass down the field. One penalty can give the other team another set of downs when you thought you just had them go three-n-out. For the most part, I feel like the loss was mostly due to a large accumulation of small errors here and there.
The TV broadcast had an interesting stat during the game. Tedford is like 48-4 (or something like that) when the team wins the turnover battle. Cal won the turnover battle this game but didn't win the game. How can this happen? Those small things.
(2) Credit to Washington for Holding Cal Out of the Endzone. Cal had to settle for multiple field goals throughout the game -- three to be exact. If Cal scores touchdowns on one or two of those drives, Cal might win the game. Despite Cal being held out of the endzone, some props is due for at least coming away with some points on those drives and to Tavecchio for nailing those field goals. I know field goals aren't the ideal scenario but at least Cal was getting points.
(3) Maynard Racks Up the Passing Yardage, But Was Still Hit and Miss. So he was 23/43 (53.5%). I think there was only one easy drop during the game by a receiver (Allen). Unfortunately, while Maynard did pass for 349 yards on the day, it's those yards he didn't get which hurt Cal the most. It seemed like for every great throw to Jones or Allen, there was another throw where he missed Jones or Allen. Maynard specifically seems to have problems with his down-field sideline "go" route passes. He tends to under-throw those balls, and also isn't putting the ball over the outside shoulder of the receivers -- instead the balls are inside. The receivers are thus forced to put on the brakes, dive inwards, and try to play the ball through the defender. On some occasions, Cal gets a pass interference call. On other occasions, Cal doesn't. And there were a few occasions this game where Cal didn't get those calls -- but of course the problem isn't so much that Cal didn't get those calls but that the throws weren't there.
I think the one throw which was just crazy bad was the final pass on 4th and goal to give Cal the chance to tie the game (way to state the obvious, HydroTech!). That ball was just way overthrown. Not really sure what happened there. I guess Marynard's nerves just got to him. What's interesting about that play was it was essentially the same playcall which won the game for Cal against Colorado. Perhaps that's why that play was called. The coaches had confidence the players could execute it. Also, Washington's cornerbacks seemed to be playing inside leverage quite a bit during the game so it made sense to call up a play containing outside routes ... hence that corner route.
It seems like a lot of Cal fans are loving Maynard after this game due to his 300+ yards, but I'm still not there yet. He's just too inconsistent for my complete liking. He's not as inconsistent as Riley though.
(4) Maynard Needs Some QB Polish. In my post-game thoughts for the Fresno game, I said Maynard was a bit of a sandlot/streetball player. I think that attitude and swagger gives him some confidence, but at other times it also hurts him. For example, Maynard still has a tendency to bolt from the pocket when it isn't necessary. One such play was in the fourth quarter when he bolted out to the left and threw the ball away. On that play, the protection seemed pretty good. He's got to manipulate the pocket protection and step up into it. Instead, he ran off to the left and gave himself up to defensive end pursuit which forced him to then throw the ball away. A polished QB will step up into the pocket, have faith in his OL to protect him, keep his eyes down the field, and make a pass.
Speaking of Maynard's tendency to bolt from the pocket, he also flees to the offense's left. It's a tendency that defensive coordinators probably have noticed and take into account when they game plan. One thing I would like to see is Maynard scramble for yardage up through the middle of the pocket if he can. If a QB can show he's a threat to run up the middle and not just to his passing side then it can really put stress on defenders. As for doing that against Washington, the defense seemed to be playing a lot of their linebackers in zone which can make it hard for scrambling up the middle since those linebackers in zone essentially act as QB spies.
Another thing Maynard needs some polish on is ball protection. Against Washington, he almost lost a fumble because he decided to scramble (which was justifiable since protection was breaking down) but was holding the ball away from his body. Got to hold that ball close to your body or with both hands.
(4) Fairly Good Run Blocking... Until the End. Sofele (Cal RB #20) had some good runs today thanks to some decently large running lanes. Unfortunately, run blocking really took a nose dive on that final drive when Cal was 1st and goal from the 3 yard line. I know a lot of people have issue with the fact that Sofele was in the game instead of Anderson (Cal RB #9). And I get it -- Sofele is 190 pounds and Anderson is like 4,974 pounds. But when your runningback can't get one or two yards ... it's usually because there just wasn't good blocking. In other words, the problem was the offensive line and not the RB. So I'm not particularly pissed or anything about the fact that Sofele was in the game during Cal's goalline runs; my frustration is directed more at the offensive line.
In particular, on that 3rd and Goal (Cal's second to last play of the game), Cal ran the ball with Sofele. Sofele didn't gain any yardage. It looked like Galas (Cal center #65) fell off his block or thought he was passing off his defender to someone else. His defender then ended up in the face of Sofele causing Sofele to bounce the ball outside and thus for no gain. If the defender whom Galas was blocking was actually blocked more, then I think Sofele gets that touchdown. The backside of that the offensive line on that play executed beautiful cut blocks on Washington leaving a huge cutback lane for Sofele. And of course, Sofele couldn't get there since the Washington nose guard was all up in Sofele's face real fast. Looks like there was either a mental error or execution error there and it cost Cal a touchdown. That's one of those little mistakes which prevents teams from winning close games.
(5) Ridiculous Game For Jones and Allen. The statistics alone pretty much speak for themselves. Allen (Cal WR #21) had 10 receptions for 197 yards. Jones (Cal WR #1) had 6 receptions for 79 yards which included two ridiculously clutch toe-dragging catches. One thing I noticed was that the coaches seem to trust the WRs. When Allen dropped that easy scramble pass from Maynard, the very next play the coaches went back to Allen. It's as if for Allen, when he makes a mistake, he actually gets better because it forces him to concentrate and become more clutch.
It seems like when Maynard does pass to Jones and Allen on those post routes, it usually requires that the WRs jump to catch the ball. This is a little concerning because it leaves the WRs vulnerable to huge safety hits, and also because it doesn't really allow the WRs to get YAC (yards after the catch). I think part of this reason is that the defenses are putting their linebackers in zone which requires Maynard putting that ball over them. It is what it is. Cal is doing a pretty good job completing them.
(6) Special Teams Was Okay. The good: nailed all the field goals; no blocked PATs; punts were good; kickoff depth seemed adequate. The bad: kickoff out of bounds; kickoff coverage allowing big return; and kick returner Bigelow (Cal RB #5) was very underwhelming.
I think everyone was just waiting for Bigelow to rip off a huge kickoff return, right? Maybe the running lanes weren't there, but it was very disappointing to not see him do more. His kickoff return average was 18.6 yards per return. On one instance, I think he ran into the back of one of his blockers. I feel like it's been forever since I've seen a decent 50+ yard Cal kickoff return (I'm not counting the one last week by Bigelow against Presbyterian). Seems like Cal always has bad starting field position due to a penalty on the kickoff return, or a poor kickoff return run back.
(7) Cal Offensive Playcalling Was Making Washington Respect the Weakside Run. I just happened to notice Cal was doing a lot of weakside runs against Washington. Doing this breaks up Cal's tendency to run towards the strongside and forces the defense to respect both sides of the defense. I like it. It seemed to have a decent success rate too.
(8) I Like Tedford Going for It on the Fourth Downs Instead of Punting/Kicking Field Goal. I know I'm a big critic of that Berkeley Statistics Professor who said college football coaches need to go for it more on 4th down. I am a big critic because there are so many other factors which need to be taken into account than merely the down and yardage. For example, field position, momentum, score, weather, etc. Thus, I really don't like it when people are always like "Go for it on fourth down because that Berkeley Statistics Professor said so!" I think every situation requires a unique analysis of whether you should or not.
When Cal was facing a 4th and 4 from Washington's 37 yardline in the second quarter, I didn't mind the decision to go for it. A field goal from that range is 51 yards. Can Tavecchio hit a FG from that range? Sure. What's the probability he does that? Well, considering he's had some problems with his kick height which has led to blocked PATs, maybe there's only a 25% chance. If that be the case, I'd agree with just going for it. Run blocking was fairly good for the most part during the game. Cal was passing alright too. Punting is out of the option. Field position was favorable to Cal even if they don't convert. Momentum was on Cal's side due to the fact that Cal got that possession from a Washington lost fumble. Seems like a good "play to win the game" decision to me.
I also like the decision to go for it on 4th and 3 from Cal's own 20 yardline late in the fourth quarter. Cal had two timeouts at the time with about... 3 minutes left on the clock. Punting is an option, but considering that the Cal defense was having some problems fully stopping Washington, if you punt the ball then you might never get it back. Again, seems like another good "play to win the game" decision to me.
(9) Cal Defense Disappoints. Let's get to the obvious first. Cal gives up 292 yards through the air. Washington's QB deserves some credit here because he made passing plays happen by buying time with his feet. Which some of leads me to my next point. How many times have a Cal linebacker whiffed on a QB sack? Seems like at least a dozen times so far this season. I've noticed our linebackers tend to whiff on those easy sacks because they are attempting to tackle the QB with their up-field shoulder (the shoulder more towards the endzone they are defending). I think it might be better to tackle the QB with their back-field shoulder (the shoulder more towards the endzone that the defense is trying to score into). Why? Because QBs very typically step up into the pocket when they sense pressure from the outside edge. When the QB does step up into the pocket, if a linebacker leads with his up-field shoulder, then the QB's up-field movement is enough to make the linebacker miss. Alternatively, if the LB leads with his back-field shoulder, it causes him to be aiming slightly in front of the QB so when the QB does step up into the pocket he ends up stepping right into the very line that the LB is taking to sack him. This was also a problem against Colorado too.
Cal defensive Coordinator Clancy Pendergast was making adjustments out there for Washington QB's mobility. There were some DE/DT twists (DEs twisting in behind the DTs to put pressure up the middle of the pocket where the Washington QB was stepping up into), and there was more blitzing up the middle to pressure the QB in his face. Why not blitz off the edge? Well, when facing mobile QBs, if you blitz off the edge you often rush yourself upfield too far and you're now behind the QB ... who then is probably running down the field untouched on a scramble. So it was nice to see the defense taking steps to try and stop the mobility of the Washington QB... but generally it just seemed like it wasn't enough.
On the positive side, Cal's rush defense was generally pretty good. Washington's RB, Polk, was fairly well neutralized. He only averaged 3.0 yards per rush on 20 attempts. Cal was doing a great job controlling the line of scrimmage. If only the Cal passing defense was a little better...
(10) Downgrading My Season Prediction Despite a 51 Point Win Over Presbyterian (two weeks ago). I have to admit, I was actually pretty surprised with the amount of criticism I got from my downgrading of Cal's season outlook from 8-4 to 6-6 despite Cal's 51 point win over Presbyterian. I can understand how crazy it can seem to ding a team for a win -- especially a 51 point win. But let me try and explain where I'm coming from. I don't care too much about how many points Cal scored. Or how many points Cal scored in three quarters -- yes, I am well aware Cal scored 63 points in three quarters. Those statistics don't really matter to me. I'm looking at *how* Cal scored. I'm looking at *how* the players performed. I'm looking at how Cal *didn't* score. I think those factors are more indicative of how good a team is rather than looking at how many points Cal won by, or how many points Cal scored in a quarter. After all, if you were to only judge a team based on how many points Cal scored in three quarters, or how many points Cal wins by, you'd think Cal was a top ten team nationally based on its win over Presbyterian. I think we can all agree that Cal isn't that (yet, at least).
When I was watching the Presbyterian game, I actually was thinking how Cal was seemingly having trouble on offense passing the ball. Again, I am aware that Maynard was 15/25 for the day with three EASY and uncontested drops his receivers. But what concerned me was that I saw some inaccurate throws, some bad QB decisions, mental lapses by the OL and receivers. Not to mention some busted strong-side toss sweep blocking (or slot WR on crackbacks was also taking out our pulling playside guard), a blocked punt, a large run by the opponent against our kickoff coverage unit, excessive penalties, and a Presbyterian pass which easily could have been a touchdown against our defense if the pass had been on the money.
I mean, if you're a fairly happy-go-lucky Cal fan, then the Presbyterian game was a fun game to watch and there's no reason to really be concerned because ... "it's just Presbyterian." I get the feeling that a lot of Cal fans seem to think that not too much should be taken away from the Presby game because they were so bad, and it's hard for a team to be really focused when they know (or think they know) that they are going to smash the opponent. I guess I'm different; I don't really think that way. I feel like there is plenty to take away from the Presbyterian game, and that the team should be focused. If the team can't focus and execute against an opponent one week, then can you really expect for them to focus and execute another week? I'm not sure how I got this way, but I'm thinking it's partly because I've heard the coaches push the players week in and week out. There is always room to get better. You may never be perfect, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to achieve it. Winners aren't satisfied with just a positive outcome of the play, winners are satisfied when they know they did the best they could, they didn't mess up their assignment, and the play had a positive outcome. If you let your guard down, then you'll get popped; if you let it down enough then you'll lose.
I think that line of thinking is something which is more prevalent in the coaching ranks, than it is with the fans. Coaches are always push, push, push. Never stop. Grind. Get better. It's not okay to make mistakes just because the opponent is inferior. Treat this cupcake opponent like they're the #1 team in the nation. Fans tend to be more happy-go-lucky. Do you think Tedford was actually happy with the way the team performed against Presbyterian? No, he wasn't. He didn't really outright say anything to hint that since so much focus that week was on him being the winningest coach in Cal Football history, but he was probably disappointed in the lack of focus, the penalties, and individual player errors on the field.
So I apologize if I offended you for being critical of the team despite its 51 point win against Presbyterian. I apologize for being a Debbie Downer and downgrading my season prediction back down to 6-6. But I at least hope that anyone who thought I was being crazy has a bit better understanding of where I'm coming from. No, I'm not crazy -- at least I don't think so. But I do like to see the team play well, and I just didn't think it was actually playing that well against Presbyterian.
And also, a lot of people had issues with the fact that I was dinging Cal for not winning by enough while I wasn't dinging Oregon for its win against Missouri State (by the tune of 56-7 nonetheless). After all, Oregon allowed an actual offensive touchdown (Cal didn't). Oregon allowed Missouri State to actually get 17 first downs (Cal only allowed 3). Oregon "only" put up 681 yards of total offense on Missouri State (Cal only put up 581). And Oregon allowed 289 yards of offense (Cal only allowed 48 yards). Point taken. But that last post-game thoughts post was about Cal and not Oregon. If I was writing about Oregon, then I'd talk about Oregon's game. But I wasn't. And of course, I know that projecting Cal's season outlook requires evaluating how Cal's future opponents are also fairing. But I don't think it's necessary that I micro-analyze every game Cal's future opponents play. A basic bottom-line level of performance can be assumed of every future Cal opponent. And my season prediction was based on a basic bottom-line level of performance from Cal's future opponents.
And one more thing. Some people thought it was unreasonable to readjust a season prediction based on one game. Point taken. But I don't see why that one game should be ignored either. It's new data. The best way to predict a future performance by a team is to look at its past performance. The best way to predict a future performance by a team is to evaluate all available data. This is what people do when they make their Associated Press Top-25 ballots. This is what people do in the stock market. It may be crazy, but it's what people do. I just don't think the Presbyterian game can be ignored.
So I hope this answers some of the questions and criticisms that a lot of you all had for me two weeks ago.
As for how this week's loss against Washington bodes for my season prediction ... nah, I won't go there again. But I will say this: we clearly should have won 105-0.
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And one more thing. Some people thought it was unreasonable to readjust a season prediction based on one game. Point taken.
That’s not what the criticism was, fwiw. Readjusting based on evidence is fine, even laudable, but saying that now you think we’re -2 games from what you thought preseason, after we’d gone 3-0, was not merely a revision, but a drastic one, especially based on a fairly standard laugher of a game against an FCS school, even if there were some glaring/troubling mistakes and miscues during the course of that laugher. I think people were just pushing back because they didn’t agree that whatever you saw had nearly the level of significance for the rest of the season that you were attributing to it, not that you were making things up or hallucinating. I think your actual criticisms themselves were well taken.
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I Like Tedford Going for It on the Fourth Downs Instead of Punting/Kicking Field Goal.
I lol’d when the announcers said that Teford “has always been a bit of a gambler”
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Same. And when they said “Maynard is known for his huge arm.”
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 26, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
A couple of things
I think there was only one easy drop during the game by a receiver (Allen).
Isi dropped a pass a 4th down that was perfectly thrown that hit him in the #s that would have given us a first down.
I think the one throw which was just crazy bad was the final pass on 4th and goal to give Cal the chance to tie the game (way to state the obvious, HydroTech!). That ball was just way overthrown. Not really sure what happened there. I guess Marynard’s nerves just got to him.
You lose me here. How do you know what Maynard was feeling… particularly since he was nails on that entire last drive. You know, where he drove the team 90 yards, converting on a crucial 4th down, in front of a hostile loud crowd. Just as he had done in Colorado and during OT. Seriously, as little a fan as I am of armchair quarterbacking, I’m even less a fan of armchair psychoanalysis.
In looking at Tedford’s coaching you focus on the obvious 4th down attempts. A much more telling look at Tedford’s renewed approach was on the first drive of the game. After a penalty we had a 3rd and 20 from our own 10 yard line. Most coaches (including Tedford the last couple of years) would do something conservative there, like a delayed draw. Try and catch the defense off guard and at least get 10 yards to get out of your endzone for the punt. Instead Tedford called up a play that had Maynard dropping back to the endzone and then zinging a pass over the middle for 30 yards in the air which then turned into an electrifying TD. That should be the single most encouraging call for any CAL fan.
You spend too much time defending your post Preb game downgrade. Seriously, we just played Washington but you spend half your post defending your post-Preb game comments. When you suggest that CAL should win by 115 – 0, it ruins other credible points you might make because people can’t get past that. You don’t need to re-litigate that now, I’m just telling you as a reader how it impacts the credibility of what you right. If I was to armchair psychoanalyze I might suggest… Never mind.
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After a penalty we had a 3rd and 20 from our own 10 yard line. Most coaches (including Tedford the last couple of years) would do something conservative there, like a delayed draw.
When I saw Maynard go back to pass and fling one over the middle, I was a little bit (and pleasantly) surprised. I loved that we took a shot at it there.
Just a correction, which might cut in favor of it being an even more “encouraging” call. It wasn’t a penalty that got us in that hole. It was the bad snap by Galas on the first down play, which resulted in a loss of 14. Arguably, that kind of negative play is more flustering than a penalty. Yet, Tedford still didn’t go “conservative” there on the 3rd down.
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by Ohio Bear on Sep 26, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great point… as I was typing that I couldn’t actually remember the penalty. You’re right, that makes it an even more impressive call.
I’m stunned (and a little annoyed) that no one seems to be discussing this aspect of the play calling.
As much as I hate penalties and losing yards on 1st down, I didn’t have that sinking feeling of doom yesterday. Maybe part of that was knowing that UW’s defense isn’t that good, but I kept thinking, “yeah, we could still get this.”
No more sinking feeling of doom for me!
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess I tend to take it the other way in seeing them not being very good but still struggling until we get into 3rd and long situations.
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by EchoOfSilence on Sep 26, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw a quote from the game where Maynard was saying it was the first time Cal has played on a crowned field this season. He wasn’t used to it and it affected the trajectory of the ball.
Hmm, I didn't know that.
I guess that could account for some of the underthrown balls, especially on the long ones.
It’s slightly curved from the center to the sidelines, generally to help w drainage.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 26, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
wasn’t buffalo’s field crowned? For someone hovering around 50%, I’d take a little more self-responsibility before commenting to the press about crowned vs. uncrowned.
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What does any college athlete owe any fan? Same amount any pro athlete owes any fan? Think about it, we go to the games, buy the stuff, eat and drink until our heart’s content. One level pays their players 6 figs and up, the other actually accepts them into a school many would not get in otherwise, pays room/board/tuition, a chance to make it big, and also funds all the non-revenue sports.
I’m not bothered one way or the other, I just think that’s an odd thing to say publicly given his accuracies.
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I’d take a little more self-responsibility before commenting to the press about crowned vs. uncrowned.
huh?
yeah maybe I’m overly critical about what athletes say to the press, or have taken the quote out of context. I don’t see how the crowned vs uncrowned field has effected his completion % one way or the other.
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Maynard has held himself accountable pretty consistently so far this season, so I’m not going to call him out for scapegoating just yet because I don’t think that’s what he was doing.
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This one was VERY frustrating
Isi dropped a pass a 4th down that was perfectly thrown that hit him in the #s that would have given us a first down.
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I disagree
It seemed like he took a shot just as he touched the ball, unlike the previous drops we’ve seen this year. Also, I think he would have been a yard short if he had caught it.
Maynard seemed to decide too slowing on these 3rd and short passes. It seemed like he spent too much time reading the coverage and studying his passing lanes, then throwing too late.
Isi would have gotten the first down
I’m pretty sure he was a yard past the stick.
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No guarantee he'd have held onto it though
Dude was about a yard or more in the air and the defender nailed Isi’s lower back side. It was going to be a tough catch to make.
by BleedinBlue on Sep 26, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t understand this preoccupation with analyzing Hydrotech over analyzing the actual game.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 26, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t like the fade call on 4th down, and I barely like it on any other down when you absolutely need a score. Seems like a low probability of completing, essentially, a jump ball thrown to the sidelines. Yeah, I know they ran it against Colorado, but it’s not their only option down there.
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You spend too much time defending your post Preb game downgrade. Seriously, we just played Washington but you spend half your post defending your post-Preb game comments.
Why is that a problem? If anything, it’s a positive because Hydro is willing to respond to criticism and discuss his thought process rather than ignoring the what people say about his posts. It’s unfair to bash him for what he wrote last week and then bash him for responding to what people say.
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When you suggest that CAL should win by 115 – 0, it ruins other credible points you might make because people can’t get past that. You don’t need to re-litigate that now, I’m just telling you as a reader how it impacts the credibility of what you right.
hy*per*bo*le n. A figure of speech in which deliberate and obvious exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect.
Taking a hyperbole, assigning it a literal, unintended meaning, and then finally proceeding to dismiss its writer’s credibility based on that clearly unintended literal meaning amounts to resorting to a red herring to distract from the main issue. If people are upset at the 6-6 prediction, they should just come out and say so, preferably backed up with reasons on point (not silly willy distracting red herrings). I hate herrings, especially RED herrings. Go Bears.
by Nasal Mucus Goldenbear on Sep 29, 2011 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The best way to predict a future performance by a team is to evaluate all available data.
Quite true. Of course, that also means that evaluating a team’s upcoming record should also include data about how good their future opponents are, an evaluation you basically admitted you aren’t making. IMO, Cal’s future opponents had not shown themselves to be good enough to support a 6-6 final record prediction (particularly after a 3-0 start).
Lots of small things? Or one big thing?
For me, this game came down to one issue: Red Zone efficiency. Washington had it on offense, Cal did not. Thus, even with the turnovers, Cal comes up short. Now, perhaps it was just a bunch of little things that accumulated to let the Huskies into the end zone, while the Bears generally remained out. But if the Bears offense scored even one more TD, while the defense held the Huskies to one fewer, then the Bears likely fly home victorious.
Hopefully this won’t become a pattern. After all, the Bears won in Boulder, despite being outplayed for much of the game, thanks to their Red Zone efforts. In addition to a more reliable run game, it sure wouldn’t hurt to have a broader array of targets for Maynard. The tight end has been hit and miss, and the running backs have yet to emerge as receivers. Moreover, Maynard still hasn’t become a threat to run the ball. Especially in the Red Zone, the Bears sure could use that extra dimension that Maynard was supposed to bring, but we haven’t yet seen it except for maybe one or two plays against Fresno.
Nice effort overall by the Bears, consistent with a team that should finish around .500 in conference play. It will be interesting to see how they perform on the national stage under the Thursday Night Lights.
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by California Pete on Sep 26, 2011 7:50 AM PDT reply actions
In addition to a more reliable run game, it sure wouldn’t hurt to have a broader array of targets for Maynard. The tight end has been hit and miss, and the running backs have yet to emerge as receivers.
Cal mainly used a rotation of 3 WRs, 3 RBs, 2 FBs, and 2 TEs against UW. Occasionally, they rotated in another WR or TE but that’s it. So there’s about 12 targets Maynard could have hit but not everybody is a pass option when they go into the game. 2 of the guys were put in to primarily block. So that leaves us with 10 possible targets of which Maynard hit 7 of them. Who Maynard throws to is dictated by gameplan (personnel and formations used along with player strengths and abilities), defensive coverage (even if a play is designed to get the ball to a player, it’s not always open), and Maynard’s reads.
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I agree with most all of this, but I have a problem with (2) & (10). I will grant you that the Huskies played quite well on the offensive side, and Price looked really good. But I don’t feel like the Husky D played especially well against us in the red zone, more that (1) all the mistakes the Cal offense was making killed us in the red zone. A minor distinction, but still.
(10) Why? We had that discussion last week, why re-hash this?
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Agree on the redzone
the failures there were our failures of execution, not husky strength (maybe the last drive excepted). Maynard missed Allen open twice on the sideline (which Hydro alluded to in another point), the first time under-throwing him and the second time over-throwing him. Then he had Jones open in the end zone and the ball slipped out of his hands. We settled for field goals on all three possessions. That wasn’t uw playing great d, it was Maynard missing his throws.
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Great write up, HT. I don't agree with it all, but I appreciate your point of view
It seems like a lot of Cal fans are loving Maynard after this game due to his 300+ yards
I’m a ZMay fan, not because of his numbers (300+ ypg) but because I like the ball he’s throwing. It has zing, it usually gets to his receivers, he’s mobile, etc. On that last drive he was money; I had confidence in him that I’ve not felt for severaly years. If he improves over time (please, God, PLEASSSSSSSSEEEEEEEE) we’re in for more exciting games like this one.
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What a difference...
from last year (after Riley’s injury), when almost every pass was overthrown (or way off the mark) !
Zack M doesn’t typically cause me to facepalm and/or be embarrassed at the ineptitude of my team’s offense (remember how we used to wish we could sustain even one drive per game…. and based on what I saw Saturday night in the NCAA, even good QBs miss throws.
The lack of interceptions and the ability to complete clutch throws will win games for us this year and give me reason to be somewhat optimistic about our chances to show up and be competitive in every game.
Watching Sanchez...
Had the same issues with some of the same routes (it seemed like, anyway) against the Raiders (yay, great win). Won’t every QB miss those sideline routes? Maybe their coverage was just far better than ours, forcing Maynard to put the ball in hard to reach space.They were coming into this game needing skin graphs, we came in with two interceptions and zero points allowed, but looked who we both played. Maynard also said something about the field having a crown on it, effecting the passes. At least he noticed.
Great points, Hydro.
I’d think it’s more common than not for QBs to scramble to their favored side, so I’m not surprised he goes left. In fact, that’s the only direction that he can run while maintaining a reasonable chance of completing something downfield, so he might even be coached to do that.
As far as being sold on ZM, he’s exciting, though inconsistent. What will it take for him to be excellent? And for that matter, if the defense comes around, maybe he doesn’t have to be excellent, just good enough.
Regarding the o-line issue, I agree with you completely here — the RB is not the issue. One way to change the conversation might be figuring out what went wrong or is going wrong. Personnel? Execution? Technique? I don’t know the reason(s), but I am hoping that Coach M certainly does.
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Regarding the o-line issue, I agree with you completely here — the RB is not the issue. One way to change the conversation might be figuring out what went wrong or is going wrong. Personnel? Execution? Technique? I don’t know the reason(s), but I am hoping that Coach M certainly does.
I’d add lack of focus to that list.
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Great post and insight…Don’t actually comment on here very often, but just wanted to chime in and say that I appreciate all the (free) analysis provided here and look forward to Monday posts in particular for an actual technical break-down of the game. For all I care, write whatever you want to write, and I’ll read it.
Besides, if everyone is going to complain so much about certain content/predictions, isn’t it fair to allow the original author to give back what is effectively a big “I told you so” after his controversial views and concerns are more or less validated? I think so…
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LOL at your screen name
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As usual, Cal has great talent at the hands positions but the remainder of the team is average at best. Tedford has been a big improvement since he has been there, but can’t get it done. Questionable play calling in the 2nd half with only 3 points against one of the worse defenses in all of major college football. Why he went away from passes to the wideouts to passes to the backs is puzzling. By the time he went back to the 1st half game plan it was too late. I also question the play calling at the end of the game inside the 5 yard line. Typical Tedford play calling with the interior runs into the line. With Maynard why not bootleg or sprint out? 10 seasons with very few major game wins, no conference titles and no Rose Bowl appearances. With 12 teams now in the league, 6 or even 7 wins won’t guarantee a bowl game. If the Bears don’t go bowling again, should there be a new coach for the new stadium?
You must be new here, good luck with that battle
You might be right but we should hold all coaching speculation until after the season or at the minimum after we have 10 games under our belt this season.
by SDBear on Sep 26, 2011 9:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Just to clear the record
10 seasons with very few major game wins, no conference titles and no Rose Bowl appearances.
Um yeah. We did have a conference title – shared with SC at the time. And we did earn a Rose Bowl bid, only to be screwed by that fuckwad Mack Brown and the texaholes.
Get your facts straight if you want to bitch.
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Not sure what you mean here
Why he went away from passes to the wideouts to passes to the backs is puzzling.
Do you mean on the whole in the second half? Or on certain situations? I didn’t remember there being a lot of throws to RBs in the 2nd half, so I looked back at the play-by-play, and counted up the 2nd half pass plays. Maynard threw the ball 26 times in the 2nd half (including one no play on a pass interference penalty on UW). The breakdown of the targets of those throws is as follows:
Allen: 11 targets
Jones: 7
Calvin: 1
Miller: 1
Sofele: 3 (one of these was the option pitch that was technically a pass)
Deboskie: 1
CJ Anderson: 1
No intended receiver listed: 1
That’s 20 of 26 throws to WRs in the 2nd half.
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Dammit, math!
19 of 26 to WRs. Maybe 20, I guess, if the no intended receiver listed was a WR target. But I think that was a throw away by Zach IIRC.
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To the RBs? 1 or 2. At the time, I thought the one to CJA was a checkdown. (That play was in the 3rd Q on a 3rd down in the red zone.) I don’t remember whether the pass to Sofele on the final drive (gain of 7) looked like a checkdown.
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Of course, the kinds of arguments you’re going against never seem to be accompanied by factual evidence, as you’ve provided. Surprised?
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Sep 26, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
All this game told me
was what I already kind of knew. This team is good. Way better than last year. But it isn’t good enough to be a genuine threat. We’re still at least a year away from being legitimately considered as a contender for the title.
Before this season began I thought we’d go 7-5, and I also thought we’d lose to Washington. But at the moment it seems finding 4 wins in the final 8 games will be hard. What we need is to hold serve against the poorer teams (OSU, Wazzu, uclol) and “steal” a win in the tougher games (SC, oregun, furd, ASU, Utah).
Of the tougher games it would seem the best chance is against either SC, Utah, or ASU.
But we’ll need to be better than last week to do so.
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by SoCal Oski on Sep 26, 2011 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Way better than last year. But it isn’t good enough to be a genuine threat. We’re still at least a year away from being legitimately considered as a contender for the title.
The offense is better for sure but the defense is not as good from what I’ve seen so far. But I agree and have thought this since the Spring: Cal’s a year away. But Cal’s always a year away!
I didn’t think that Cal was a year away in 2005, with Joe Ayoob. That team looked bad (besides Marshawn). BUT THAT was the year we were a year away!
What I’m saying is, you never know.
I actually thought it was clear from that season that we were at least a 10-win team with a competent QB at the helm.
I agree that we would have been a 10 win team in 05
With a competent QB. If Longshore doesn’t break his ankle against Sac State I think we win 11 games. If Levy had started the whole season we win 10.
As it is we won 9 games that season with defense, a strong running game, and inconsistent QB play.
by SDBear on Sep 26, 2011 10:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I dunno, as much as I love Levy he hardly set the offense on fire against a horrible Stanford team before Marshawn did most of the work in the Las Vegas Bowl. But I agree re: Longshore.
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I just feel like Levy was your more classic game manager type QB which is really all we needed
that year to win 10 games.
Our defense, running game, and OL were just that good in 05 that we didn’t need a great/dominate QB to win 10 games.
Plus Levy was in the program longer than Ayoob and knew the offense better. Did Ayoob have a better arm than Levy? Of course but Ayoob was wildly inaccurate. Levy couldn’t really throw a great deep ball but he was accurate in short to medium range passes.
Are you saying the 05 team was bad as in good?
You thought that 05 was our year? Or did you think we were a year away in 05 and that 06 was our year?
by SDBear on Sep 26, 2011 10:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m just saying things change so much in college football that it’s hard to tell from one year to the next how good a team is going to be.
Especially since SOS changes dramatically. The way the Pac-12 is looking this year, if Cal was equally as talented as last year, I’d expect something like 7 wins.
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
This. I’m much more okay with losses this year as I’m chalking them up to learning experiences. I think 3-4 more wins is a definite possibility and 9+ wins in 2012 is not out of the question.
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by CruzinBears on Sep 26, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea
I see things like McCain diving on a running back during a misdirection play resulting in a pitch out to a wide receiver in the backfield, who then runs into McCain’s void, and think learning experience. What excites me is that later in the game, McCain doesn’t bite on a similar misdirection play preventing the rb from getting the edge.
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Food for Thought on that last incomplete
Maynard underthrew that game winning TD pass against CU. He overthrew the pass against UW.
Something to think about.
So next time it will be right on the money!!! woo!
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 26, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t someone say the crowned field may have messed with his trajectory too?
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by CruzinBears on Sep 26, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I would hope after having passed the ball 42 times previously, he would have figured it out for the 43rd. Its kind of amazing to think we threw the ball 43 times, particularly since we weren’t down a ton of points (like Maryland 08) and had the run game working pretty well.
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Thanks Hydro
After watching the game on DVR a few times, and after being at the game, I have decided that I am not very disappointed in this game. I believe Cal pretty thoroughly outplayed Washington in many aspects of the game. We ran the ball better. We passed better in short and long situations, and our defense, minus the pass protection, was strong, especially against Polk. All in all, I respect the effort and heart of this team and they were in this game until the end on the road against a very, very good WA offense.
I have the same gripes as others here about the pass pro, and we’ll need it to improve, but Price is among the best qb’s we’ll see outside of Mr. Unlucky.
No, we played well, and it gives me hope for a lot of good games this year. I mean, I haven’t seen a single game this year from anyone that had the clutch receiver play of Allen and Jones. And the OLine has really improved and Sofele is able to run well when given a decent hole. Remember how many times even Vereen was stopped at the line last year!!!
I trust Cal will improve, and as the young defensive players get more experience, they might get special.
It’s too much to ask for a win against Oregon, though their formula is tired and we’ve stopped it before. But Wazzu, UCLA, Beavs and maybe USC and/or ASU are clearly winnable. I’ve watched all those teams and believe we would have beaten all of them except maybe ASU.
So unlike the deep despair last year after Riley went down, I still feel good about these Bears and have a lot of respect for how they play and their heart and character.
Go Bears!!
Agreed, yay Go Bears!
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by CruzinBears on Sep 26, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting
I have decided that I am not very disappointed in this game. I believe Cal pretty thoroughly outplayed Washington in many aspects of the game.
I completely agree that we outplayed washington, and yet that makes me so much more disappointed. It is very frustrating, to me, to outplay an opponent but still lose, and this happens to us with some regularity. You have the opposite reaction. Just interesting to see two completely different reactions to the same event.
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I think we outplayed them execpt for giving up those 3rd and longs.
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I think it would be more frustrating to me if I expected Cal to be a 9-10 win team this year. Since I didn’t, I’m okay with losses that still show improvement.
Agree with this assessment, the other hopefull thing I observed is how close we were to sacking Price about 5 times during the game. We’re getting some pressure, just not the results right now. Two or three key sacks might have make a large difference in this game.
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Hmmmm
bq.
And I get it — Sofele is 190 pounds and Anderson is like 4,974 pounds. But when your runningback can’t get one or two yards … it’s usually because there just wasn’t good blocking. In other words, the problem was the offensive line and not the RB. So I’m not particularly pissed or anything about the fact that Sofele was in the game during Cal’s goalline runs; my frustration is directed more at the offensive line. eq.
No, I don’t think you do get it. While you are correct in that the blockers should always execute, you need to hedge your bets by using a running back who is more likely to score in the event that the blockers DO NOT do their job.
My review of that play at the goal line agrees for the most part with the Oline taking heat. NO back hitting that Dlineman would have gotten through him. The difference between 190 and 215 is nothing to a guy at 265. The bigger point here, and so far missing, is that if you watch that play again, you’ll see that Kapp was going outside, as was one of our Oline guys, and Isi cut inside right to the Dlineman. He didn’t follow his blocks. Now maybe that’s OK, but it looks to me like following blocks to the outside might have been the design, and more successful.
no matter who is to blame
for that 3rd down play, I think we can all agree that Sofele had a monster game up to that point. I totally understand those who wanted CJA for those runs (I am one of them), but I also would have wanted us to run it between the tackles four times in a row (like they did to us last year).
All the attention those last plays (and Sofele’s dropped pass) got I think may distract us from the emergence of Sofele as a legitimate big play threat on the ground. Maybe he hits the wrong holes at times, but I hope that’s fixable—in any case I thought he did a better job here than he did in the previous 3 games.
by slaphancock on Sep 26, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
no matter who is to blame
for that 3rd down play, I think we can all agree that Sofele had a monster game up to that point….in any case I thought he did a better job here than he did in the previous 3 games.
100% agree. Best game from him by far.
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I think we can all agree that Sofele had a monster game up to that point.
Um, I politely disagree.
Sofele had a very good game, but monster? No way. There were several times he made either an incorrect or delayed choice and was stopped for minimal to negative yardage. And a few times where he got yards but wasn’t able to maximize.
Look, I’ve said before I love his heart, drive, willpower, and dedication. The kid is always 100% and absolutely deserving of a lot of playing time. But let’s not delude ourselves. As far as Tedford-era RBs, he is near or at the bottom.
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by SoCal Oski on Sep 26, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
As far as Tedford-era RBs, he is near or at the bottom.
When his predecessors are Vereen, Best, Forsett, Lynch, Arrington, Echemandu, and Igber, that’s not all that big of an indictment.
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Agree with both points. No shame in not living up to a bunch of guys who played in the NFL. That said, I don’t think Isi is just a small step down from them. At best, he’s an average Pac-12 RB. He might be below average.
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, so far, yes. He hasn’t been the touchdown machine his predecessors were. But he showed improvement this game, and I’m hoping that he will continue to improve in his first year as a starter. I also agree that the thing he has to do is learn patience and hit the holes (when there ARE holes).
a few times where he got yards but wasn’t able to maximize
Not sure about this. I remember him bowling over a couple guys for extra yards, getting out of tackles, etc.
But sure, worst of the Tedford-era backs? So far, I guess that’s fair.
ZM is making progress
Regarding point #4
(4) Maynard Needs Some QB Polish.
He does have a way to go, but I think he is progressing. He didn’t do any crazy scrambling like he did against FSU. He threw the ball away rather than try to make something happen. It seemed like there were fewer (if any) throws into double coverage. He isn’t abandoning the pass for the run.
He is blessed with two amazing receivers, but the sunshine pumper in me says that he is making progress. Can he continue and at what rate of progress?
Oh motherfuck
I REALLY don’t like what the body language in the picture is saying. ugh.
no bear, no care
That is a pic of the 2 coaches looking at the injured player who was carted off…click on “more photos” and you’ll see the caption
Washington coach Steve Sarkisian, right, gives a pat to California coach Jeff Tedford as they look on at injured Washington player John Timu in the second half of an NCAA college football game, Saturday, Sept. 24, 2011, in Seattle. Timu left the field in an ambulance
Okay that puts the picture in context and
by SDBear on Sep 26, 2011 12:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay that puts the picture in context
by SDBear on Sep 26, 2011 12:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree and am glad I'm not the only one who thought that
That picture just looks so sad.
by SDBear on Sep 26, 2011 11:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
1st play. Glad we didn’t get called for holding. (check the edge where Miller is supposed to release).
2nd play. Ok, the LB just gets an excellent jump upfield, forces the run to the inside. No real push on the whole left side of the line. Maybe a bigger back gets a yard more—this is the only play where CJA might have gotten a yard that Sofele didn’t.
3rd play. Disaster. Not really sure what was supposed to happen, but two defenders are left unblocked in the RBs path.
4th play. Just a bad throw. Maynard missed on two throws where he had to look off the defense. Maybe a beat more in order to get the bearing of the receiver in both cases might have paid off.
by slaphancock on Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
1st play. Glad we didn’t get called for holding. (check the edge where Miller is supposed to release).
But a LB also slipped by Hagan and got into Maynard’s face. He couldn’t step into this throw and the pass sailed high.
I think it wasn’t the pass sailing; it looked like Miller couldn’t get free in time and that threw the timing off; so he was supposed to be where the pass ended up.
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
3rd play. Disaster. Not really sure what was supposed to happen, but two defenders are left unblocked in the RBs path.
What happened was bad blocking.
…and Isi not reading the situation correctly. We had 2 blockers on the edge there.
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The 2nd down play is the one that kills me. I miss the old days of the power-run game when a tight end + pulling guard + fullback gave a much better chance of getting a “hat on a hat”; Kapp took out his man, and Sofele correctly cut upfield, but the Bears were just one blocker short. (Even then, it’s tempting to think that another back could have either powered his way into the end zone or perhaps spun off the tackle to make it to the pylon, but the camera angle is not great, so maybe that actually wasn’t reasonable. Still, I gotta believe BeastMode scores on that play.)
On 3rd down, with a second tight end in motion to the wide, play side of the field, it looks like the coaches tried to give Isi more field and more blockers with which to work, but the DT lit it up before the play had a chance. Not sure if Isi allowed himself to get too close to the LOS before bouncing outside, or if the Center released his man (that same DT) too soon before pulling, but that was just sloppily executed football. I was hoping Coach M would have this cleaned up by now. Oh how I miss you Marvin Phillip and Alex Mack.
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by California Pete on Sep 26, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
but the Bears were just one blocker short.
Did you watch this game closely? Cal had every man accounted for but the LB and DE fought off Hagan and Schwartz to make the tackle.
My bad. Watching Miller come in motion, I had assumed that Schwartz was on his own, but you’re right, Hagan was there and simply got beat. Add Craig Stevens to the list of guys I miss, along with Phillip and Mack.
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by California Pete on Sep 26, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
carp's hindsight 20/20 calls
1) option pitch around LE with Sofele as the wing back
2) toss sweep to Isi
3) CJA ‘tween the tackles
4) PA nakid bootleg
5) that WR screen / hook n ladder toss to Isi that our man Jahvid pulled off so well (was there enough room to pull off a screen?)
6) PA rollout / pass or scramble
7) Wildbear with Keenan Allen as the QB
8) that FB in the flat pass that was there against Colorado. Frequently, the TE’s are also open on these things.
9) trips formation / screen pass to KA.
Nowhere in there would I run Isi between the tackles or throw the fade
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Regarding the Wildbear
how cool would it be to have Allen line up in the wild position, have Maynard come across on the fly sweep, hand it to hi, then have him pass it downfield to a streaking Marvin Jones.
Obviously, it doesnt work at the goal line, just saying it would be cool.
My personal play I wanted to see called, was a jumbo formation with a fullback and CJA in the backfield, fake the dive, and let Maynard run to the pylon. I’m not saying Tedford is stupid for his play calls [he obviously knows a hell of lot more than me], but if I were asked what play I would run, it would be that play.
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competitiveness a plus
The thing I like about this team, that I’ve been missing in the past two years, is that it has made games competitive. We didn’t fold against Colorado and we didn’t fold against Washington (and we could have after that Polk TD). That’s character.
Sure the end of the game didn’t go our way, but it DID go our way at Colorado. Both games turned out competitive and we played to the end. That’s good athletic entertainment.
And this is a team that may win or lose any game on the rest of the schedule. The Oregon game will be a big test of whether we’re going to stay in games where we’re overmatched—but I like our chances. If we have no major (30-40 point) blowouts this season, I will consider it a success even if we don’t go to a bowl game.
by slaphancock on Sep 26, 2011 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Close Games Come Down to the Small Things
This is so true. And while I am heartened that this years team seems to be doing the small things better than the previous couple of teams, I think I may speak for many when I say it’s becoming quite disheartening to consistently see Cal be the team that does at least one less small thing properly than our opponent.
The signs are definitely encouraging, though. It’s just becoming an old story about the other guy doing the small stuff better.
Sigh.
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That’s because you’re ignoring the CU game!
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Everybody keeps saying Washington's defense held in the red zone...
I firmly believe we killed ourselves in the red zone, and Washington’s defense really had nothing to do with it. Maynard seemed a bit jumpy the whole game, and dropped the ball, tripped, etc., by himself. This is a game we will win next year if he manages to mature/improve/grow as a QB.
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Agree on the redzone
the failures there were our failures of execution, not husky strength (maybe the last drive excepted). Maynard missed Allen open twice on the sideline (which Hydro alluded to in another point), the first time under-throwing him and the second time over-throwing him. Then he had Jones open in the end zone and the ball slipped out of his hands. We settled for field goals on all three possessions. That wasn’t uw playing great d, it was Maynard missing his throws.
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by CBKWit on Sep 26, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
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Maynard
One of the things that Price was doing that Maynard didn’t really do (from my recollection) was stepping into the pocket. I need to rewatch the game, but Price was very effective in doing so (as are some other QBs). I think Maynard is more comfortable out of the pocket, but when there is a pocket, he needs to do a better job of utilizing.
I agree, and would take that a step farther. A few times we made Price move around, but other than the couple of blown sacks, we really didn’t get real pressure on him. We didn’t make him take his eyes off his receivers downfield, throw before he had to, mess up his mechanics, or prevent him from setting himself on his throws. He was able to move around in the pocket, but in ways that were still advantageous for him.
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Loved it hydro, but can you expand on the 5 third downs that UDub converted of 11+ yards or more. Looking back, I think they converted 5 3rd and 11+’s and were 6-9 total when actually trying to get the first (as opposed to a strategic/safe 3rd down call). That, in my opinion, was the biggest factor.
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by carp on Sep 26, 2011 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, seriously, I really want to know what the hell happened on the 3rd-and-longs. Did UW notice a weakness in the defensive packages we were throwing out on passing downs and find an exploit, or was it just poor execution by us and great execution by them, or both, or what?
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s weird…on the one hand, fantastic d on 1st and 2nd down. On the other…finish them off!
The bob gregory era would drop 8 and play, what I considered, to be a soft zone d that would keep the chains moving yet not get torched for a TD.
clancy on Sat would play man coverage and sometimes blitz and sometimes not, either way we wouldn’t get “major pressure” on the QB and the man coverage would break down.
It’s hard to see the coverage on TV tho (Madden view!)
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I think on a couple of plays at least, we got pressure on the QB, but were not able to finish the sack. The QB escaped, found an open man, and made great throws. I think it’s hard to prevent an accurate passer from converting 3rd and long when he’s able to create time for his receivers to make some moves.
That being said, Price looked great. I think he’s better than Barkley.
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“just” a 3* California recruit out of St John Bosco with only ASU, Utah (pre Pac-12 of course), SDSU, and UDub offering…
http://rivals.yahoo.com/washington/football/recruiting/player-Keith-Price-84620
We took Bridgford.
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We took Bridgford.
You are fucking ridiculous.
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Your dick must be fucking huge.
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Hey guys let's passive-aggressively troll about QB recruiting!
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I’ll pull your extensions out!
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Well, hopefully Bridgford is even better, then!
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, although Price looks like the diamond in the rough. Great pickup by Sark, who looks to be a great hire for UW. I’ll settle for an on-the-money passer who sacks up on 3rd down. Bridgford could be that guy.
Cal, to date, is clearly struggling in the sign your QB before he enters his senior year of high school game that’s all too common in major CFB recruiting. Not to say others aren’t also struggling, but we’ve missed on some guys while other seemingly attainable QB’s have taken spots at other programs. I particularly hate the Elite 11 camps and the like, where QB’s throw without at least 9 massive boddies in front of them. Bridgford, Hinder, Kline, and Boehm all seem like “let’s hope” kind of guys, while RS freshman like Price are already starting and excelling.
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Every quarterback recruit and underclassman who hasn't played yet is a
“let’s hope” kind of guy.
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How many guys have we missed on, really? Especially once you start accounting for all the guys who don’t succeed, do you really think we’re doing that poorly? What programs have been better than Cal?
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
what aggravates me is we never seem to go all in on the blitzes. that 70 yard TD we rushed 4 guys and the receiver was still wide open.
just once, when we’re playing a young QB I’d like us to send the house on the blitz.
Wait, to establish that we don’t go all-in on our blitzes you cite a play where we didn’t actually blitz at all?
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actually, I think that happened on the first 3rd and forever they converted. I think we sent 6.
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We didn’t. I distinctly noticed at least two times where we rushed 6 and didn’t even come close to getting a finger on the QB.
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, it was probably 5, not 6. I was kinda thinking about it in a “I saw 2 linebackers blitzing” kinda way, forgetting we only have 3 linemen.
by Missing Barry on Sep 28, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
broken record alert...
that’s because we were only sending 4 or 5 (sometimes) guy. If you send 6 then when the QB escapes he heads right into another defender.
Or there is a lot of open grass upfield for him
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but at least 2 receivers running wild happens EVERY TIME.
do you think maybe there might be an area in between… or things work sometimes but not others…
Well, isn’t that what’s happening with 5 man blitzes? Or are you saying 5 man blitzes never work and 6 man ones do?
Or . . . what are you saying?
agree… but hopefully they’re just running back because the QB has been sacked or had to hurry his throw.
Or they are running up field blocking for the QB who is already 5 yards down the field.
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I may be a little bit off on the coverages but this is the best I can do with limited tv angles
1st quarter 3rd and 10 at WASH 24 Keith Price pass complete to Devin Aguilar for 28 yards to the Cal 48, tackled by Josh Hill for a 1ST down.
Rushed 5 but am not sure of the coverage. Appears to be a mix of zone/man with 1 deep safety. Crossing route completed by Price right before Kendricks hit him.
1st quarter 3rd and 11 at WASH 34 Keith Price rush for 13 yards to the Wash 47, tackled by Mychal Kendricks for a 1ST down.
Price was flushed from the pocket and scrambled for 13 yards. Cal rushed 4 and appears to be playing a Tampa 2 variant. Issue here is that Guyton fell down and Price juked a defender to pick up the 1st down.
2nd Quarter 3rd and 11 at WASH 31 Keith Price pass complete to Kevin Smith for 12 yards to the Wash 43, tackled by D.J. Campbell for a 1ST down.
Looks like a Cover 3. Cal rushed 3 but kept a LB in the middle of the field so Price couldn’t scramble. Price capitalized when the deep defenders traded off and the receiver was moving in the zone. Campbell got there just a fraction of a second too late. GOod execution on UW’s part. Again, a rusher fell down.
3rd quarter 3rd and 12 at CAL 30 Keith Price pass complete to James Johnson for 13 yards to the Cal 17, tackled by Steve Williams for a 1ST down.
Man free coverage while Cal rushed 5. Again, one of the rushers fell down. Price got the ball out right before Whiteside hit him to complete a pass on a comeback route.
4th Quarter 3rd and 12 at WASH 30 Keith Price pass complete to Chris Polk for 70 yards for a TOUCHDOWN.
Cover 2 Zone while rushing 4. Great play design by UW. They had 2 receivers run corner routes which sucked Cal’s 2 safeties from the middle and had Polk run straight down the middle of the field.
As you can see, UW beat an assortment of Cal coverages with ACCURATE passing, receivers holding onto the ball, and great play design. The coverage was good on all these plays minus the 70 yard. The big problem Cal is having is lack of a pass rush imo.
by Cali49a on Sep 26, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I have a controversial opinion
Genyk has to go.
1) We turned an All American and Ray Guy candidate punter into someone who’s about average if not worse
2) We have trouble in punt blocking against one of the worst FCS teams in the country
3) We have trouble blocking in XP
4) We have a senior kicker who despite starting for 3 years, still has troubles in KO
5) KO coverage is inconsistent
6) A promising TE in Miller has regressed. After a stunning ‘09 season he all but disappeared in ’10. He’s better this year (Kieasu?) but still has drops. Worse yet he muffed a block in punt block and gets beat quite often by the DL/LB. His block at the goal line on Saturday caused Sofele to get stuffed for a loss.
In other words, Go Bears!
Is it controversial?
I certainly would appreciate a special teams coach who didn’t seem to be quite so full of DERP.
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in reference to ST, is it the ST coach at fault, or The Program’s approach to ST (of which the ST coach plays a substantial role but certainly isn’t the only reason why something succeeds or fails). I know, I’ve said this before. Genyk, for Cal’s budget, seemed to be a strong candidate for ST coach. I also like his offensive mind with his attempted but ultimately unsuccessful to date Warp Speed offense.
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punter into someone who’s about average if not worse
Anger is average or worse? Really? At 44.3 YPP in a small sample size?
We have a senior kicker who despite starting for 3 years, still has troubles in KO
He does?
We have trouble blocking in XP
Well, I was very concerned the first two games, but it seems to have gone away, so maybe they fixed the problem. Jury’s out on that one I’d say.
A promising TE in Miller has regressed.
Yeah, that’s been unfortunate. I wonder if that’s more on Miller himself, though.
KO coverage is inconsistent
Yeah, I’d like to see better KO coverage. We did okay against Washington though except for the one at the end of the first half.
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m referencing Anger’s shanks and his attempts at rugby style punts
And yes Giorgio has KO troubles. Did you not see the one that went out of bounds?
I agree that XP is looking better but the issues in the 1st two games were ridiculous. XPs should be almost automatic
I disagree we did ok against UW. I thought we did well against Fresno, got a little worst against Colorado and got worse against UW.
In other words, Go Bears!
And yes Giorgio has KO troubles. Did you not see the one that went out of bounds?
I did. I believe that’s the only KO out of bounds he’s had all year so far. Meanwhile, did you not see the multiple kickoffs that landed pretty consistently at or about the 5 yard line?
I agree that XP is looking better but the issues in the 1st two games were ridiculous. XPs should be almost automatic
Agree, but we won those games and we’re seeing improvement. If those issues keep cropping up throughout the season, I will be upset, but for now, it’s wait and see.
I disagree we did ok against UW. I thought we did well against Fresno, got a little worst against Colorado and got worse against UW.
There was one blown coverage where Tavecchio himself had to make the tackle to save a TD. That was bad. The rest… let’s see:
1Q
Kickoff to the 4, returned to the 24
Kickoff to the 4, returned to the 34
2Q
Kickoff to the 6, returned to the 22
Kickoff to the 9, returned to the 33
Kickoff out of bounds – UW starts at the 40 (Giorgio’s fault)
3Q
Kickoff to the 3, returned to the Cal 44 (bad coverage)
So… that’s 3 kickoffs that landed inside the 5, the other 2 still landed inside the 10, and 1 that was also deep but went out of bounds, but UW didn’t end up scoring anyway. Plus GT was 3/3 on FGs, and all of them were right down the middle of the uprights.
As for coverages: 20 yard return (standard), 30 yard return (slightly below average), 16 yard return (pretty good), 24 yard return (fairly standard), 53 yard return (terrible).
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ST player of the week
When we win Pac-10 ST player of the week one week, and then are nominated the next, I think it might not be time to fire the ST coach.
by slaphancock on Sep 27, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
And when you add all those variables up, you get an average field position at the 33 yard line for the other team. That’s not good.
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought are special teams were absolutely fine on Saturday. With the exception of the kick out of bounds near the end of the half. I’m really not sure what people are complaining about other than they weren’t perfect.
Exactly. Obviously we want everything to be perfect, but that while that should be the standard to strive for, it can’t be the standard for accountability.
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
and again, if i can’t type our instead of are…
i think people judge our ST in a bit of a vacuum. I watched A LOT of football on Saturday and saw a lot of bad ST play.
Honestly, I would say that about most aspects of the college game.
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes it was fine yesterday. I’m just saying that we you look at the 16 games played under Genyk so far, our ST hasn’t really improved since Alamar. And arguably our TE play has gotten worse
In other words, Go Bears!
without being here, I’m guessing you were advocating Alamar get the heave? As a fan base we’re the Queen of Hearts of college football wonderland… the answer always seems to be “Axe him!!”
To be fair, that's every football fanbase
Pretty much every sports team fanbase, really. Off with his head will always be the first reaction to lack of success.
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UW's long kick return was a killer
we had just taken the lead for the first time since 7-0, erasing a 21-10 deficit. Then we give up that return and they only have to move the ball 15 yards for a field goal.
We also got nothing on our own kick returns. UW also has terrible special teams, but we were unable to gain an advantage in this area.
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We also got nothing on our own kick returns. UW also has terrible special teams, but we were unable to gain an advantage in this area.
Yeah, our kick/punt returns were disappointing. Bigelow looked very much like a guy who was seeing his first real D-I action.
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that long kickoff return killed all the momentum we just got from taking over the lead
we gave it right back in a few minutes.
I also agree that as far as the UW game went I had more issues with our own punt/kickoff return team than our coverage teams. It seems like not only were we not getting solid returns, we kept getting penalties on the KO return teams that only made our starting field postition go from bad to terrible.
I doubt we fire him
his contract ends this season, and I think Cal simply doesn’t renew it.
I support the NBA player's union.
Nice post, Hydro - but let's talk about the end of the half
You guys have done a great summary and back and forth on all my issue and analysis, so I won’t repeat. CGB rocks once again.
However, this thread needs to discuss the ridiculous call to go for 1 and not 2 when the score was 21 to 19.
I was so sure I had literally paused the DVR after the touchdown, to explain to my kids in detail why Cal was about to go for 2 – the score differential, etc., when to my stunned disbelief we go for one. You have got to be kidding me. That is staunch conservatism at a level I can’t fathom. JT kills me with those calls.
Other than that call, the play calling was reasonably aggressive and varied, I thought, this game (caveat: last 4 downs seemed…poor). Though I thought we should have more designed runs from ZM. It was such a great new threat vs. Fresno St. – is it ever coming out again?
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by JerrottWillard45 on Sep 26, 2011 4:49 PM PDT reply actions
Please do explain why one should chase a three point lead at the half.
I would be so amused to hear your rationale.
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In all honesty, I can kind of see it if both ways
I think Tedford did the right thing by not going for two at the time and I understand the reasoning why you wait for the two point conversion until you absolutely need it because if you miss it you are essentially chasing that extra point the entire game and it may come back to haunt you.
If you go for it and make it the game is tied.
That being said, if you go for it and miss it you now know you will need two scores to potentially win the game. So perhaps you have a bit more sense of urgency with your last drive as you now know you need two scores to win.
Say Cal had scored the last TD and we miss the two point conversion, well we left ourselves with not much time (I believe 30 seconds were left on the clock when Cal turned the ball over on downs) to try an onside kick, recover it and get in FG range.
Once again, say Cal coaches have already attempted the two points and didn’t get it they now know we need two scores so perhaps we try to score on that final drive with a bit more time on the clock to allow for an onside kick and potential recovery.
That all being said, I agree with Tedfords call in holding off on the two points until you absolutely have to go for it.
If you are tied, you don't need another score to avoid losing the game
This looking ahead, assuming the score another 7 point TD, and therefore, assuming you have missed your 2-point conversion, would put you 9 points behind is so pessimistic, it’s scary.
If you need the points down 8, you need them down 2. It doesn’t matter if you lose by 1, 2, or 8.
If you have an opportunity to score points, you should take it.
If you can’t get it now, when you are ‘only’ down by 2, then it’s better to find that out now.
The assumptions are just stupid.
If we had gotten two, we’d only need 1 to tie at the end of regulation, and even had the option to go for 2 and win it.
It’s like intentionally removing options for aggressively winning for yourself. Out of what – fear of failure? Kills me. Play to WIN!
And yes, he did play to win most of the game. This call just killed me.
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by JerrottWillard45 on Sep 26, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
If you are tied, you don’t need another score to avoid losing the game
You realize football games don’t end in ties anymore, right? If you’re tied, you absolutely need another score to avoid losing the game.
If you have an opportunity to score points, you should take it.
Let’s go for two points after every touchdown! /lanekiffin
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This looking ahead, assuming the score another 7 point TD, and therefore, assuming you have missed your 2-point conversion, would put you 9 points behind is so pessimistic, it’s scary.
It’s not scary. 2-point conversions are 50-50 at best. Extra points are nearly automatic. There’s no reason to go for 2 that early in the game, because there is a lot of football left and you have no idea how the future scoring is going to go.
If anything, going for 2 at that point is pessimistic, because you are assuming you won’t score any more points and you need to tie NOW.
There’s also a simple analysis 1 point = 95% chance 2 points = 25% chance SO, you do this enough, the weighted average is .95 vs. .50 points.
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Exactly. Going for two, for most teams, is the biggest sucker bet in football. It’s not about being “conservative” or “aggressive”; it’s about being smart. And only in an end-game situation when you know that a 7-point touchdown won’t be enough should you go for two.
Unless of course you can get your success rate on 2-point conversions up close to 50%, making it a more even proposition. This is why Oregon can get away with it; the Ducks were an unconscious 7 for 8 on 2-point attempts last year, and 3 for 4 in 2009. This makes one wonder, why do they ever go for one? As for Cal, the Bears are a stellar 0 for 3 on two-point tries since 2006. Yes, in three years plus, Cal has gone for two a grand total of three times. And failed. each. time.
While I had no trouble finding the 2-point stats for individual teams, I haven’t been able to find any firm aggregate numbers. I’ve seen a few papers mention an average success rate of 40-45%, but this seems to be an NFL-based number, not NCAA. If the number is indeed closer to 45% than 25%, then I’d say going for two is a more reasonable strategy to use throughout the game—reasonable enough that if the coach has a good feeling about a particular play and his team’s ability to execute it, then he should go for it. Otherwise, I still think the safe strategy is usually the smart one.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Sep 26, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
the Ducks were an unconscious 7 for 8 on 2-point attempts last year, and 3 for 4 in 2009. This makes one wonder, why do they ever go for one?
Because when the look isn’t there when they take the field with their spread/swinging gate formation, they immediately go into the traditional PAT formation. They’re not converting because they’re just great at two point plays but because they’re catching teams (including us) unawares and getting favorable looks.
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Well, I do think of it as closer to 50% than 25% - but maybe I shouldn't.
So that’s part of my justification for my viewpoint. I am conscious of the math.
And if you think XP’s are at 90% (because we’ve missed a few) and 2pt’s are at 45%, the expectation value math is now equal, with a better outcome possible for the 2pt-er. So I’m not crazy.
Maybe I’m just overly optimistic about our ability to make a 2pt conversion. The 0 for 3 stat you cite is depressing. Since ‘06? That’s five seasons! Wow – we almost NEVER go for 2!
I guess I should say this – if the coach thinks we have little chance of making it, he probably doesn’t practice it much, and doesn’t emphasize it, and then he and the kids both don’t really believe we have much chance of making a 2pt conversion. So then it is dumb to go for it. And this is probably an accurate description of JT and our team this year. So I shouldn’t be surprised, and I guess if we had gone for it we probably would have failed. So you guys must all have been really cringing that we were down 8 at the end, because you thought MAYBE it was 25% chance we’d convert the needed 2?
But listen, if you have so little faith in our 2-pt ability, why did we stake the game on making an 8-pt TD at the end? Now the risk of failing on a 2-pointer is not a hypothetical problem ‘later on’ – it’s a real problem now. If we had failed at the end, we didn’t leave ourselves enough time to attempt another drive. If we only had a tiny chance of getting 8 points on that drive, why didn’t they save much more clock hoping for an onside or a quick 3 and out and another drive for a FG? Why was the game management now based on one score instead of the almost assuredly needed two? Awfully risky if you truly have so little faith in our 2pt abilities.
I just vehemently disagree with that whole philosophy – have some optimism about the offense, practice the 2pt. play hard and increase your chances of success, and maybe you can create an atmosphere more like Oregon’s around 2pt-ers, which seems to be a really good plus for their team. Their 7/8 and 3/4 stats validate my philosophy. If you can get to just 45-50%, it’s worth doing.
But I resign myself to the facts on the ground: JT, the team, and most fans seem to agree we stand little chance of making a 2 point conversion. Ever. So why go for it? That makes me sad, but I won’t bug you about it anymore.
I do thank you guys for making clear the opposing viewpoints. Now back to living in my private world of optimistic risk-taking. You should visit me – it’s so fun here, guys! There’s almost no punting! Fake field goals 50% of the time! Throwing deep on 3rd and short! Trick plays galore! C’mon, Twist, you know it’s what you really want!
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by JerrottWillard45 on Sep 27, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
But listen, if you have so little faith in our 2-pt ability, why did we stake the game on making an 8-pt TD at the end?
We didn’t. At halftime, no one knows what the score will be with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter. As it turned out, we were down by 8, so we would have needed the 2-pointer. But it could just as easily have been up by 3 or 7, or down by 1 (and then a FG wins it for us). You don’t know how the scoring is going to progress as the game goes along, which is why you wait until the 4th quarter before you think about going for 2.
Also
If Cal does not convert the 2 point conversion and only scores that FG in the second half, they are down 9 instead of 8 on that final drive, are assed out, and JWillard would be bitching about how Tedford was too aggressive in the first half and the stupidest coach in the world for chasing points that early in the game.
You go too far
If you have read my posts in the past you know I am always in favor of a more aggressive style of play on offense and defense and special teams.
I have never bitched out the coaches for gambling and losing. I am very consistent in only bitching them out for being painfully conservative to the point of losing.
And back to sycasey’s point, I agree you don’t know how the scoring is going to progress – you only know you want to score more points to win. I’m not crazy, I’m arguing for scoring more points and increasing our chances of winning.
It really does boil down to what you think the odds are of making a two point conversion. The speculation about being down 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or more points has been brought up by you, me, and others and there are various scenarios which could change the situation, but none are guaranteed futures to base the decision on. Without knowing the future – you should be trying to score more points.
It is different at the end of the game, because time is a factor, but you have failed to address my earlier question – if you think it’s such a low probability to for 2, you should also have been arguing for different game management at the end to allow for a chance at two scores. Instead, you dismiss it as risky in the first half, and then suddenly think it’s a reasonable thing to attempt going for 2 when you feel more time pressure in the 4th. Why? Have the players’ abilities to execute the play increased in the 4th quarter? Under higher pressure? I don’t think so.
I think y’all are inconsistent. If it’s high enough probability, go for it earlier more often. If it’s not, don’t plan on using it later if you have a choice.
You seem to think it’s unfair of me to make these criticisms – but it’s the same way we criticize play calls – like the final fade, because maybe we thought it didn’t give us the best chance to win, is a perfectly reasonable way to criticize the going for 1/2 decision. And you are free to argue the other side.
For a while, you guys had me reconsidering my stance, but now I more fully understand your philosophy. And I still disagree with it, and I stand by my viewpoint.
And if I were coach, it would be more fun! (but I’d probably get fired sooner.) There’s just no making everyone happy.
I could wish I didn’t feel like some folks wanted to shout me down and not have to hear from me again.
What the heck’s wrong with having a radical idea? I cheer louder than anyone in my f**ing section – whether we go for 1 or 2 or fumble in our own endzone. I’m behind my Bears. And I like to come on CGB for the post-mortems and speculate about might have beens, and should have dones.
What’s your deal?
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by JerrottWillard45 on Sep 27, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
It really does boil down to what you think the odds are of making a two point conversion.
That’s right, it does, but we don’t have to blindly guess at what the odds are. We can be informed. We have Cal’s record of going for 2. It’s not good. We also have general odds from NFL teams on success rates of going for 2. It’s between 40-45%. I’m not sure, based on these numbers, why you’d think that it’s a good idea for Cal to go for 2 more often.
Extra points are nearly automatic. Something like 99% success rate. That means that the success rate of 2-point conversions (unless you have some weird funky system like Oregon) is less than half that of extra points. Since an extra point is worth exactly half of a 2-point conversion, going for 2 is a bad bet. You go for 2 more often, you score fewer points. Your argument that going for 2 is worth it because of “MOAR POINTZ!” is faulty.
Instead, you dismiss it as risky in the first half, and then suddenly think it’s a reasonable thing to attempt going for 2 when you feel more time pressure in the 4th. Why?
Because when you’re down 8 late in the 4th, you know you need the 2-pointer to win the game, so then it’s clearly worth the greater risk. At halftime, you don’t know, so it’s not worth the risk.
And if I were coach, it would be more fun!
That’s great, but I don’t want JT to make decisions based on what would be “more fun!” I want him to make decisions based on what will help win the game.
I could wish I didn’t feel like some folks wanted to shout me down and not have to hear from me again.
Make better arguments, then. Seriously, it’s not personal; it’s because your arguments don’t make much sense.
Make better arguments, then. Seriously, it’s not personal; it’s because your arguments don’t make much sense.
To paraphrase you: “Shut up, stupid!”. Nice.
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by JerrottWillard45 on Sep 27, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, that’s what I was trying to say as well.
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by atomsareenough on Sep 27, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
2 point conversions and extra points have an almost equal expected outcome. Teams do make 2 point conversions near 50%.
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
prior to watching the last drive of the game, I would say I’d like Cal’s chances from the 2 on any given play with all of their weapons and, considering, we’ve had issues blocking and kicking this season.
I wasn’t opposed to going for 1, but thought that converting 2 there would be a major momentum boost.
Cal also got the ball back in the 2nd half.
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--Coach Clark
Chip Kelly would have gone for 2, and I think Chris Peterson as well.
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Chip Kelly goes for two when teams fail to react to his PAT formation. I don't know if Chris Petersen has ever gone for two outside of the 4th quarter.
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Kelly probably, Peterson probably not
I think the big thing people are over looking is Cal was getting the 2nd half kickoff to start the half so why risk the two conversion at that time. We had just scored 10 unanswered points and momentum was clearly on our side. Why risk the point at that time?
Why NOT risk it?
It’s worth another damned point! Points are what you win with…
sigh. I know, I just live in my own world.
But really, the risk argument is better if we are NOT getting the ball back after halftime, don’t you see?
It’s complete doubt of the offense, and the defense at the same time, only slightly less.
It is also a classic mistake JT makes not to attempt to win the half. Many coaches are like this. You should definitely take risks to win the half. Because then you might be leading the game starting the second half. You know – with more POINTS.
To me, it’s a throwback to extremely low-scoring games of the distant past, where punting 20 times was expected, and you only magically scored once in a while after a brutal field position battle, when suddenly your oppponent really slipped up once, maybe fumbled, and then you just barely put together 25 yards of offense and scored.
If scoring was THAT hard, than OK. Turns out it is not. It is GREAT to have the ball at the opponent’s 2, and you should use that.
It’s a no-brainer we should have gone for it. What you should argue about is going for 1 or 2 when you are at the end of the game down by 1. Tougher call.
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by JerrottWillard45 on Sep 26, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
To me, it’s a throwback to extremely low-scoring games of the distant past
That’s funny, because to me it felt like the exact opposite. It seemed like Tedford probably felt like if they just scored some more TDs/FGs, then who cares about going for 2? They could win by much more. It’s halftime, and if you’re expecting several more touchdowns to be scored before the game is over, then going for 2 shouldn’t matter. If you’re expecting a low-scoring close old-school game, then that extra point could be crucial. If you’re expecting a shootout, not so much. Around halftime it was looking like it’d be a shootout.
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus, I think the thinking was, we get the ball in the second half, so if we score there, we take the lead (which we did), and then we just have to stay in front (which, sadly, we didn’t).
Besides, regardless, the going-for-two option was still there, as it was at the end of the game. So what difference does it make?
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by atomsareenough on Sep 26, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, all the momentum was on our side and it seemed like the UW defense
couldn’t stop us from scoring.
The only difference in my mind between going for it early or late, is knowing you will need another score so maybe Cal tries to score with a bit more time on the clock to attempt an onside kick and try to get in FG range to win.
As you stated, the two point play was still there at the end of the game.
It was a shootout in which Washington displayed a disturbing propensity for dodging bullets.
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It was fantastic."
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Or a shoot out where we shot ourselves in the feet too much
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
But really, the risk argument is better if we are NOT getting the ball back after halftime, don’t you see?
It’s complete doubt of the offense, and the defense at the same time, only slightly less.
It is also a classic mistake JT makes not to attempt to win the half. Many coaches are like this. You should definitely take risks to win the half. Because then you might be leading the game starting the second half. You know – with more POINTS.
Wow, what a bunch of gibberish. How does one even respond to this?
Yeah that really confused me as well
I don’t see what he is talking about? Is he saying it is better to go for two if we aren’t getting the 2nd half kickoff? This isn’t the 2007 Cal @ UW where we had to kickoff to UW at the start of the game and the start of the 2nd half. Tedford knew we were getting the ball to start the 2nd half so he decided to wait to go the two points.
I don’t really care to winning the first half, going to the half down one point on the road is a pretty successful half in my book.
Really I prefer to have more points than my oppenent at the end of the 2nd half, which means my team probably won the game.
You do realize that going for two isn't free, don't you?
I’ve seen way too many games over the years where a team found itself down by four, or eight, or nine, after earlier missing on a 2-point conversion. If Cal’s defense had held Washington to two second-half field goals, for example, then the Bears offense would have faced a hypothetical 27-20 deficit to overcome. That’s a much better proposition, IMHO, that potentially being down 27-19, even if it means forgoing the chance to be down only 27-21.
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by California Pete on Sep 26, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I havent read any reaponses to thsi post yet, but I presume many are echoing my thought that going for 1 was perfectly fine. Get the 1 point. There is a lot of game yet and that 1 point might be very important. We ended up taking the lead after that. So, to me, its a situation where going for 1 was a reasonable (THERES THAT WORD AGAIN) call
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I think that there’s a big argument on this is pretty ridiculous. You prefer 2 point conversions. Tedford doesn’t. Some people spell “color” with a u (Rishi!). Some don’t. Who cares. My understanding is the expected outcome is close to the same. Furthermore, if you’re down 1 and you hold a team to 2 FG’s, now all of a sudden a TD ties the game. If you miss the 2 point conversion, you need to succeed on a 2 point conversion to tie the game. So there are very common/plausible scenarios where the 1 pointer is advantageous, as well as very common/plausible scenarios where the two pointer is advantageous. The point of all of this is just to highlight how this is pretty much just a matter of preference. There’s very little difference between the two options in terms of outcomes. Who cares. It barely matters.
by Missing Barry on Sep 27, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
My understanding is the expected outcome is close to the same.
It’s not, actually, that’s the point.
Really? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that it is.
by Missing Barry on Sep 28, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Given what I’ve seen from our D, I like our chances at Oregon than at Stanford. Making Thomas beat you in the air is a good way to attack the Ducks. Plus, we have the confidence from last year’s efforts and we have an offense that can actually move the ball.
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--Coach Clark
I agree
Thomas as a passer is still suspect in my book. It is better to shut down the run (which Cal’s defense has been able to do) and gamble with the pass, particularly since I don’t think Oregon screens much with the running backs. Of course, this also allowed Colorado to have career passing games.
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