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Glory & Gaffe: A Tale of One Play

When you're in culinary school, working nights, and have all day to dissect game film, you watch individual plays a lot.  You watch them over, and over, and over.  You wear out the "instant replay" button on your Tivo.  Certain plays become burned into your mind from seeing them dozens of times. 

One of those plays that is burned into my mind is that fateful pick-6 that Longshore threw against UCLA in 2007. 

Why am I bringing up such horrible painful memories?  Well, since everyone is so joyful from Cal's current 2-0 start in 2011 and is sunshine pumping themselves dry, I thought it'd be a good time to relive that painful pick-6 from 2007 to simmer down the optimism and kill the happiness. We're Cal fans, remember?  Athletic success breeds pessimism.  Pain is a part of our lives... a major part of our lives.  Always expect pain.  The world isn't right when Cal fans are happy.  So let's righten the ship.  Enough with the happiness.  We need pain.

This is self-flagellation.  It's going to be painful.  But no pain no gain, right?  Trust me, I think there is a gain in here somewhere.  I think.  (I hope...)

October 20, 2007
Cal vs. UCLA 

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This painful post begins with Cal down 21-23 at the Rose Bowl.  It's a 3rd and 3.  Cal has 1:49 to score a field goal at the minimum.   Cal comes out onto the field with 21 personnel (2 backs, 1 TE, 2 WRs). 

Star-divide

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Cal is in a weak-I formation (fullback to the opposite side of the tight end) with twin WRs to the weak side (the side opposite of the TE). 

 

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Cal brings the flanker WR (Cal WR #1 D. Jackson) into motion towards the formation, and right behind the split end (Cal WR #7 L. Hawkins). 

 

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Cal snaps the ball.  It's a pass play!  Longshore half-rolls to his left.  The right side of the offensive line (including the TE) retreats backwards forming the backside of the half-roll protection (curved gold line).  The RB and the FB move forward to form the front of the half-roll protection to the offense's left (the two blocking gold lines). 

 

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The two WR routes are a quick out by the flanker WR (the WR who was in motion), and a flag route by the split end.  Longshore throws the ball to the flanker, the ball is intercepted by the UCLA cornerback and it is returned for a touchdown.

Gaffe.

Painful.  Ouch.  So painful.  I'm a bad bad man for doing this to you guys (and girls), aren't I?  

Okay.  Sorry.  I don't know exactly why I chose to do that.  That was completely unnecessary to make you guys (and gals) live through that pain again. 

Since I'm sure most of you were probably expecting me to break down a play from this year, then let's do that.

 

September 3, 2011
(1,415 days after October 20, 2007)
Fresno State vs. Cal

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The next play I'll break down is shown above.  It's 2011.  Cal is playing Fresno State.  It's early in the first quarter and Cal is facing a 3rd and 3.

 

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Cal comes out into the field with 21 personnel (2 backs, 1 TE, 2 WRs).  Cal is also in its new pistol formation.  The QB is five yards behind the line of scrimmage with the RB two yards behind him and the FB next to him.  Cal has twin WRs to the weak side of the formation (the side opposite of the TE). 

 

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Cal brings the flanker WR (Cal WR #1 M. Jones) into motion towards the formation, and right behind the split end (Cal WR #21 K. Allen). 

 

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Here's the pre-snap formation. 

 

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Here's the post-snap picture.  (Thank you TouchedTheAxeIn82 for creating such a high quality widescreen torrent of the game so that I can get these pictures.  So puuuurrrrrrtttttyyyyy.)

 

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It's a pass play!  Longshore Maynard half-rolls to his left.  The right side of the offensive line (including the TE) retreats backwards forming the backside of the half-roll protection (curved gold line).  The RB and the FB move forward to form the front of the half-roll protection to the offense's left (the two blocking gold lines). 

Hey wait... did you see what I did there???

 

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The flanker WR (Cal WR #1 D. Jackson M. Jones) runs a quick out.

 

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The QB (Cal QB #15 Z. Maynard) passes the ball to the split end!

 

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The split end was running a flag route!  Do you feel like you've seen this play before?

 

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The Cal split end (Cal WR #21 K. Allen) catches the ball!  First down, Bears!  Woo hoo!  Happy happy happy!

Glory.

 

CONCLUSION:

I told you that there was a purpose to the pain. 

In case you still aren't quite following what happened, these two plays ARE THE SAME PLAY.  Forget the fact that one started out with the QB under center (Longshore in 2007) and another one started out with the QB in pistol (Maynard in 2011), these are the same plays. 

As you can see, it's the same formation.  It's a weak-I formation.  Twin WRs to the weak side of the formation (side opposite of the TE).  There's a half-roll protection.  It's max protect.  Eight offensive players stay in to block and only two offensive players are releasing down the field on their routes.  The motion was the same.  The routes were the same; quick out and flag.  IT'S THE SAME PLAY! 

Interestingly, it's also the same down and distance too.  This is significant.  Most offenses categorize their plays by how many yards they expect to get out of the play.  Some plays are more suited for short yardage situations.  Others for mid-yardage gains.  Others are for long-yardage gains.  This play seemingly is in Cal's short-yardage playbook.  Why does Tedford think it's a good option for short-yardage gains?  Presumably because it's a fairly high percentage pass play.  It offers good protection (max protect), one fairly high percentage throw (the quick out), and a moderate percentage throw (the flag).  Furthermore, the quick out and flag combo sort of provide a high-low read on any flat defenders in zone.  Alternatively, if the defense is playing man coverage (such as Fresno State was), then both throws are pretty high percentage. 

So what was once so painful for Cal fans four years ago, was joyful happiness only a week and a half ago.  Cal fans cheered this very same play which four years ago they booed, cried, and argued about.  Did you ever think that was going to happen? 

You have to wonder if Tedford remembers that this play was the play on which the 2007 Cal vs. UCLA game was lost.  You know he does.  If I can remember these things, so does Tedford.  In other words, Tedford called the very same play, which haunted him four years ago, and seemingly signaled the beginning of the 2007 team's uncontrollable downfall.  Is that ballsy or what?  Tedford is like: I don't give a rat's ass about history, I'm calling this play again!  Yeah, Tedford don't give a crap about the danger.  He's like a honey badger.  Honey badger don't care.  Honey badger don't give a shit.  Nothing can stop the honey badger!  (warning: link opens up a YouTube video containing NSFW language; the video is highly entertaining though and is one of 2011's biggest internet memes, hat tip: RoyRules)

 

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Well, one other little thing

The throw was to the same side of the field. Longshore’s weakside. Maynard’s strongside. You can see Longshore had to shift himself from right to left, making the quick out a little slower than he’d have probably liked to get it to DeSean. Verner was spying Longshore most of the way and broke to the ball well in time.Maynard would’ve been better able to complete the out in time if he had chosen to, although he decided to go to the flag.

Pretty sure Tedford wishes he designed that play to the right side of the formation for Nate, even if there was limited real estate with the ball placed on the right hashmark. Longshore could’ve gotten that ball out quicker and the pick six might never have happened and we’d have won the rest of our games and Oski could’ve bought himself a bus full of candy..

by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 14, 2011 3:37 AM PDT reply actions  

This is a good point.

However, actually, I think what had more of an impact on this play was the fact that Longshore started out under center, and Maynard was in pistol. This playcall calls for a seven step drop from the QB when under center. Seven steps is a long time. Throwing the quick out is a quick passing play. A long drop step combined with a quick timing throw are a bad match. For Maynard, he was already in shotgun. This allows him to three or five step punch his throw to the quick out. His feet already pretty much set from being in shotgun, and he doesn’t have to worry about the severe dropback that Longshore had to worry about.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Longshore could’ve gotten that ball out quicker and the pick six might never have happened ..

Maybe but I recall Verner saying he had a really good idea or knew what play Cal was running due to film study.

by Cali49a on Sep 14, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Verner said he knew that Cal likes to run outside routes when WRs come in motion towards the formation.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember that too. In fact, I remember Verner being really cocky about “knowing the play before we ran it.”

Tedford had a number of pet plays back then:
- The quick give to the fullback on 3rd or 4th and 1
- Inside fake, pitch outside on 3rd and short
- And then that quick out after the WR motions inside.

Against FSU, there really wasn’t any relevant film for the Bulldog defenders to study because Tedford hadn’t called a game in several years.

I’d agree that both under center vs. pistol and right vs. left handed played a role here. It was tough for gimpy Nate to retreat, go half-roll to the left, re-set, then throw. The delay in his footwork contributed to throwing off the timing of the play. I suspect that a healthy Nate would have had a better chance at throwing the ball before Jackson made his break.

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by Kodiak on Sep 14, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

And that’s why when Jones caught Riley’s pass in the EZ with Verner all over him 2 years ago I was very happy. Knowing the plays didn’t help now did it?

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Sep 14, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

- The quick give to the fullback on 3rd or 4th and 1
- Inside fake, pitch outside on 3rd and short

I think we’ll see those plays again soon!

by Cali49a on Sep 14, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

We already gave it to Kapp on that big 4th and 1 against FSU.

I’m thinking the outside pitch might be just perfect for a back with world-class speed…

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by Kodiak on Sep 14, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple factors are different here that may have caused the 2011 play to work:

1 – Longshore
We all know how bad Longshore was in the 4th Quarter, especially in 2007. He was a player who had a tendency to quit emotionally if we were down and out by the last 15 Minutes of the game (I chalk that all up to him being injured against Oregon, when he came back he was not the same at all).

While both situations were clutch situations, the one in ’07 had more on the line. We were still ranked in the top 15 after our faceplant against the Beavers a week before (dammit Riley!) so we needed to bounce back against the Bruins in order to try and retain it. As shown, Longshore croaked and we would lose.

Four years later, we have Maynard, a QB who has shown that he is mentally tough and does not crack under pressure (see last week). While the situation is nowhere near as dire (our second drive of the game as opposed to the closing minutes of the 4th Quarter) Maynard still made the proper read and nailed his brother for a first down on a long 3rd and forever.

2 – Pistol Formation
The pistol, in my view, is a cross between the standard one and two back sets and the shotgun. While not much in technical terms, it gives option quarterbacks more open field between himself and the o-line to make reads, not only to the receivers and backs but also to himself should the play be an option read run/pass. This formation could have (not entirely sure as I have not seen an actual view from Maynard’s perspective) given Maynard a clearer view of his receivers and managed to see that Allen was open.

In 2007, you can clearly see that Longshore was pretty much in the thick of things with the o-line and the backs around him. This may have clouded Longshore’s read to find the best (if any) open receiver and then ended up throwing the INT instead. Factor in his post-traumatic stress disorder I mentioned from above and it would all fall apart after that.

3 – WR route
It appears to me that the 2011 route for Allen was a longer route. He goes from the Cal 40 to a little past the Fresno 40. The 2007 play appears to have the post route go from the UCLA 30 to just a little over the UCLA 20. That’s about ten yards a shorter route for 2007. While it does appear to be the same play (albeit from the pistol) the WR post route appears to either have been lengthened, or Allen ran a deeper route on purpose because he knew he was in man coverage and had confidence that he could beat the CB on the route.

4 – Left side vs Right side
Like what Avi said, Maynard is a southpaw, Longshore was not. Throwing to the weak side is never as comfortable as throwing to the dominant/strong side. This is also a contributing factor.

Another 2007 vs 2011 tidbit: remember who our OC was in 2007? He’s who our OC/OL coach is today, returning from his last stint in 2007. I wouldn’t be surprised if Coach M kept that playbook of his around and just tuned some plays around that he had when he last used it. That big silly playcard of Tedford’s is back too if you re-watch the two games.

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by Swamphunter on Sep 14, 2011 3:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Correction:

The 2011 play actually wasn’t a long third down, but it was a deep pass that got us back in the driver seat.

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by Swamphunter on Sep 14, 2011 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

3 – WR route
It appears to me that the 2011 route for Allen was a longer route. He goes from the Cal 40 to a little past the Fresno 40. The 2007 play appears to have the post route go from the UCLA 30 to just a little over the UCLA 20. That’s about ten yards a shorter route for 2007. While it does appear to be the same play (albeit from the pistol) the WR post route appears to either have been lengthened, or Allen ran a deeper route on purpose because he knew he was in man coverage and had confidence that he could beat the CB on the route.

Both plays were man coverage but the difference is that the fucla CB played press coverage on Hawkins while the Fresno CB gave Allen a cushion.

by Cali49a on Sep 14, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, this is also another huge determining factor in the difference in outcomes of this same play. The quick out versus FSU was pretty much a gimme due to the cushion (although Maynard didn’t throw the quick out) … but the quick out against UCLA was a lower probability throw due to the tight coverage.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

1 – Longshore
I think it’s a huge insult to Longshore to say that he was an emotional quitter in the fourth quarter. I know he had has difficulties in the fourth quarter but I think it’s safe to assume that he wanted to win just as much as any player on the team. Just because a player isn’t as good in one quarter than another doesn’t necessarily mean he’s quitting.

2 – Pistol formation
I think the pistol formation is better suited for throwing the quick out because the QB’s feet are pretty much already set and he does’t have to worry about the seven step drop and half roll when under center. On the other hand, for Longshore, he’s facing a seven step drop which is a long dropback (in terms of time) and the quick out is a fast timing throw. Long dropback and quick pass aren’t a good combination.

3 – WR route
The UCLA defender reroutes Hawkins. I think that’s why it appears as if the routes are different.

4 – Left side vs. Right side
It is a contributing factor, but I actually think under center vs. pistol was actually a greater determining factor.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me, but I thought Longshore’s troubles (post injury) in the second half had a lot to do with his ankle tightening up as the games when on, and then as a result loosing zip on the passes, allowing them to be more easily picked off.

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by Cugel on Sep 14, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

Not only did the ankle limit his mobility even more than normal, you could see how drastically it affected his throw by the fact that he had no stability in his plant. He’d end up favoring the ankle, and being off-balance, resulting in wobbly, soft throws.

It was pretty hard to watch, because it was like a fast-motion film of water eroding a boulder.

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by SoCal Oski on Sep 14, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there was a quote from Longshore a long time ago (but after the 2007 season) where he was saying that the painkillers they were giving him for games were starting to wear off by the 4th quarter. So that could have been a reason for his unfortunate 4th quarter interceptions. Of course, that’s probably not the only reason. Execution issues were numerous on that 2007 team as they piled up the losses.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Execution issues were numerous on that 2007 team as they piled up the losses.

This is so true, but the deluge started after this game.

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by Cugel on Sep 14, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also remember a quote where Tedford attributed some of Longshore’s fourth quarter struggles not so much to his quitting, but rather the opposite. It was that Longshore was pushing too much, trying hard to make a big play instead of taking a loss or take the safer underneath route.

I think that in addition to the fact that by the fourth quarter it killed him to even drop back let alone plant his foot is what led to some of those backbreaking plays.

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by bearswithfangs on Sep 14, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. He mentioned that he took pain killer injections prior to the game which started wearing out in the 4th Q

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by royrules22 on Sep 14, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

They couldn’t top him off again at halftime? That seems like an easy fix.

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by atomsareenough on Sep 14, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

It might not be a good idea to OD on painkillers…

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by royrules22 on Sep 14, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

there might be a big middle ground there.

by fiatlux on Sep 14, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

But not in this case.

I remember the article in question, Longshore would have taken a re-up during halftime if he could (or at least that was the implication), but it wasn’t medically safe to do so.

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by AERose on Sep 14, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

As for whether Maynard made the right read…

I’m not so sure he did. I know the pass was completed to Allen but that is besides the point. Jones was WIDE OPEN on the quick out. Allen was covered. The safer pass was to Jones. As Tedford always tells his QBs in practice: “take what the defense gives you.”

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve definitely noticed a tendency for Maynard to want to go down the field whenever possible instead of checking down.

The good news is that’s something that can get better with coaching and some film study.

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by Kodiak on Sep 14, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was a player who had a tendency to quit emotionally if we were down and out by the last 15 Minutes of the game

Just no.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 14, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. That’s a no.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 14, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Twist you’re not helping CGB’s Longshore loving stereotype. But for the record I agree

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by royrules22 on Sep 14, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can merely state what I think. If others want to assign complex conspiracies or paint with broad brushes, that is their right.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 14, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

The stats and end result say otherwise.

Just saying.

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by Swamphunter on Sep 14, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m full of self-loathing for having this same conversation years later, but I don’t understand how you can be inside the head of Nate Longshore. Yes, there were problems at the end of games. No person is denying that.

But I don’t see how any person can know whether those problems were just problems of execution or, in addition, problems of the emotional nature. What evidence is there?

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by TwistNHook on Sep 14, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never -really- said I was "in the head."

Just looking at the stats post-Oregon 2007, he would falter and not produce positive results in the latter half of games, especially in the 4th Quarter when it needed to count.

Chalk it up to injury, PTSD, the flying spaghetti monster or what have you, having Longshore in the game did cause us to lose close games, at least in 2007.

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by Swamphunter on Sep 14, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was a player who had a tendency to quit emotionally if we were down and out by the last 15 Minutes of the game

Isn’t that what you said? Quit emotionally. Am I not understanding something correctly?

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by TwistNHook on Sep 14, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

not worth it.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 14, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because there’s incontrovertible evidence, duhhh. Just like Rodgers clearly quit emotionally at the end of games against USC (getting relieved by Robertson in one game, and failing to convert a TD from within the 10 ydline). I’m not saying that I’m in Rodgers’ head, I’m just saying that he quit emotionally.

/sarcasm

by jali on Sep 14, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do I need to spell it out that I came across on that part incorrectly to you guys, and that there was still some sort of problem with Longshore? Can you seriously not read between the lines in my last post?

Jesus christ on a pole.

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by Swamphunter on Sep 14, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

A few thoughts:

1. Where do Jesus Christ’s arms go if he’s on a pole?

2. If I understand Chris Rock correctly, he told me the #1 job of any father is to keep his children off the pole. If so, does that mean God really screwed this one up?

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by TwistNHook on Sep 14, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know I was harsh, but man, does it piss me off when people make judgments on emotional status/effort levels of players just because they struggled results-wise. You probably got it rough because of the build up of anger towards that general style of argument. I’d prefer sticking to “Longshore had some serious issues in the 4th quarter” and leave it at that.

by jali on Sep 14, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, really should have just left it at that and not try to be fancy.

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by Swamphunter on Sep 14, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Longshore pick burns me in a particularly painful way. I was at the Rose Bowl, sitting with a pretty large contingent of Cal fans in the endzone toward which Cal was driving (on a side note, Cal totally represented that day. One uclol fan even mentioned in bitterness how there were at least as many Cal fans present as uclol-ers that day). The drive was filling us with a lot of joy, as we watched the team progress toward us. We were certain that we’d come out with a win, capping a really perfect day.

Then, the pick.

It happened in slow motion, I swear. Of course, that’s just because Longshore was injured and his regular speed by that point was slo-mo. But as the play developed, we saw D-Jax gain some separation, and saw that he had a potentialluy clear lane to the endzone. Verner was a few yards away, and there was no way he could match speed with Jackson.

Then something weird happened. Jackson sort of stopped his route and stood there, arms up, waiting for the ball.

Longshore hobbled in slo-mo to our right (his left), planted himself in an awkward, off-balance position where he was leaning backwards, and heaved the ugliest throw of the day. I swear even the ball was moving in slo-mo. Jackson couldn’t do anything but wait for it. Verner, seeing the slo-mo, reacted and just snatched the ball, and our hopes.

Forget about it, Jake. It’s Cal.

Sadly, this isn’t the only endzone view of disaster I witnessed. Tuan. Van. Le,

I’ll never sit in an endzone for a Cal game again. I swear.

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by SoCal Oski on Sep 14, 2011 7:08 AM PDT reply actions  

If it weren’t for the fact that (1) kicking nets often obscure endzone views; and (2) half of the action on the field occurs way far away, I’d probably sit in endzone seats more often. I like seeing the field from that vantage point. You can see running lanes open from that angle and you can see the defense coverage easier too. Depth perception is a problem though.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I too was there (first and last game @UCLA for me). I was sitting in the UCLA section towards which Cal was driving. I had just bitched out a UCLA fan for not knowing the background behind them stealing our fight songs and then this happened

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by royrules22 on Sep 14, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was there too with my smug Texas alum father, who was on my nerves complaining about Longshore from first quarter. We had unusually good seats at the 50 yard line and down low, so we saw things pretty well. You could see that Longshore was favoring his ankle long before the 4th quarter. Pops kept complaining about this guy falling backwards on his throws and was this the only QB we had, blah blah blah.
At least he had the decency not to rub it in after Longshore threw it away and didn’t say much about it on the way home. grrr

P.S. Was there some kicking issue for that game as well?

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by TwistNHook on Sep 14, 2011 7:17 AM PDT reply actions  

A couple of other things...

1) This play looked familiar in 2007 because we saw it in 2006 against Arizona… well maybe not the same exact play, but the same soul crushing late in the game PIC 6 across the field throw by Nate (maybe it was the same play, anyone know?). I knew at the time that one would cost us the Rose Bowl… and it did.

2) what was also so soul crushing about the UCLA pic 6 was the possession was started by Best’s 50+ yard kick-off return to get the ball in such great field possession. We started the possession at the UCLA 35. All we needed was 6 or 7 yards and for the QB to just not screw up. You think that influenced Tedford’s decision making at any point down the line?

by fiatlux on Sep 14, 2011 7:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Did we have a Pick-6 against Zona? I think I blocked that game out of my memory (well other than DJax’s 10000000yd PR)

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by royrules22 on Sep 14, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, there was a pick six. It put us into a 24-17 hole that we were never able to climb out of (much like Riley’s pick six against Nevada last year).

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by Berkelium97 on Sep 14, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Longshore also had a pick six at Arizona in 2008. It gave Arizona a cushion and, again, we could never climb out.

"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach

by Berkelium97 on Sep 14, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, rec’d for finding out the answer. It’s nice that the players sort of explained things so we fans know who was really at fault. If Tucker hadn’t said anything, we’d all probably still be blaming Longshore about it.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s still Longshore’s fault for not being inside the head of his receiver and knowing that he was going to take 2 extra steps on the out.

by YleeXOtee on Sep 15, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

REALLY?!?!??

I come to CGB in the morning before starting to work for this?!? What a dick.

by CalBeer on Sep 14, 2011 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I am an epic dick. I’m sorry. But I think this was a sort of interesting play to see due to its extreme difference in outcomes.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

nice analysis!

i bet if we look at lots of our 40 to opp 30 3rd and 3’s we see this play a lot.

or a line up for this play and an audible to another. It looks like basic west coast design.

OC/play caller’s gotta be like the honey badger, a play has always got some versions with dreadful outcomes.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Sep 14, 2011 8:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes, OC’s sort of have to be like QBs too — they have to have short memories. Just because a play wasn’t successful once doesn’t necessarily mean you should throw it out of the playbook. A play’s success is largely determined by the players’ execution. Against UCLA there wasn’t as good of execution as there was against Fresno State.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

that and at the point

in the game, ucla was pressing for a game saving play.

Where in the first Q, FS was just trying to not give up a cheap score.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Sep 14, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, it actually might have been better at that point in the game to go deep on UCLA; we probably would have caught them with their pants down.

Except that Nate with his bad ankle could barely throw the ball more than 10 yards at that point. Sigh.

by sycasey on Sep 14, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

FLASHBACK TRAUMA.

I remember that day well. Vanderbilt beat South Carolina, which was ranked #6 in the country, and Tennessee got curb-stomped by Alabama that day, but nevertheless my whole day was RUINED by that pick. I went home, climbed into bed, and suffered a six month bout of mental trauma that was only fixed with the application of huge qualities of brown likker and a pilgrimage to Punxsutawney to see the groundhog.

Great, now I hate everything again. Thanks for nothing.

"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52

by VandyImport on Sep 14, 2011 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure....

i polished off 2 bottles of wine by 6 pm this day. It was not pretty.

by CalBeer on Sep 14, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry. You could just read the last half of the post over and over again.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

we watched the game

at my football gf’s house.

the three of us sat and stared at the TV, while mrs. rocksanddirt and all the kids played and had fun.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Sep 14, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

uh, thanks?

i feel like you just kicked me in the nuts, but then picked me up off the ground and bought me some ice cream.

i’m waiting for you to knock the ice cream out of my hand now.

I am a Bear. We Are Cal.

by ManBearCal on Sep 14, 2011 9:44 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m sorry. Just think of how much better you’ll feel though when Cal destroys Presby this weekend! I mean, you wouldn’t feel so great about beating Presby if you were riding high this entire week, right? Highs are so much higher coming off a low… right?

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

HydroTech

You are the evil shimmering blue porch light of a million volts that draws unsuspecting Cal fans like moths to incinerate their hopes and dreams on the charged gridiron of past defeats.

Oh, and good post, by the way.

Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

by Cugel on Sep 14, 2011 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Interesting post, as usual

iirc, there was some debate at the time about the timing of the quick out and whether Desean cut it short or Longshore threw too late. Based on this, it would seem like Longshore threw it late, but it’d be interesting to sync these QBs side by side and count how quickly the ball comes out in either case.

Also, Michalzcizxcik was offensive coordinator then, too. Not sure who gets credit for what, though as far as execution I’ll credit KA (pump pump pump) for making a great catch. There’s something to be said for a receiver you can heave the ball to in one-on-one with full expectation that he’ll make a play.

n.b. -- This comment does not constitute official chemistry advice.

by sec119 on Sep 14, 2011 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes, there was debate as to whether Longshore threw it late or Desean didn’t run a clean route. I actually think it didn’t really matter which it was though. Verner was going to get that ball either way. He knew that route was coming.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well DeSean didn’t really try to run down Verner. No way in hell was Verner going to get to the EZ had DJax actually tried to run him down

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Sep 14, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’re kidding, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeBP-y8fDWc

There is no way anyone was catching him on that play. DeSean is fast, but Verner caught that at full speed, while DeSean would have had to change direction and turn around in order to chase him. By that time, Verner has a 20-yard head start. At 1:40 in the video, you can see that Jackson starts to give chase and then gives up because he knows it’s futile.

by sycasey on Sep 14, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Impressed

Can’t believe this sh*t’s free.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Sep 14, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

seriously, this is awesome. Way to go hydro!!! May I wish you all the luck pursuing Elizabeth Dindial with all your Bear down knowledge for you are boy king she so desperately needs.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Sep 14, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you. I don’t know who Ms. Dindial is… but I’m about to google her.

by HydroTech on Sep 14, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

don’t forget to include ‘starbucks’ in your search

Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.

-TwistNHook

by turkey on Sep 14, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember the drive home to the Bay...

…from the Rose Bowl in 2007 being one of the most miserable of my life. There is a time in most Cal football seasons when a Cal fan realizes he/she has invested too much in the team and will only be disappointed, but this was just so much worse than normal. From ~#1 to out of the rankings (correct?) in two weeks. Glory (Oregon 07) and Gaffe (OSU, UCLA 07).

by avsrock90 on Sep 14, 2011 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Nope, believe it or not we were still ranked 18th in the country...

after the loss to UCLA.

It wasn’t til the following week against ASU and Nate’s 4th quarter pick that we fell out of the rankings.

by fiatlux on Sep 14, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

And we came back into the ratings after squeaking by WSU. It was my friend’s theory that we were simply ranked so that the USC game could be billed as a game between two ranked teams

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Sep 14, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I drove down to LA for this game and was in the stands in the Rose Bowl the fall after I graduated from Cal. That was probably the most miserables moments of my sports-fan life, or real life for that matter. So thanks for that. Friggin’ waterboy.

/bangsheadagainstwall.

by dchu on Sep 14, 2011 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously, good work. But I still hate you. GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH.

by dchu on Sep 14, 2011 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

i still think the OSU one hurt more

probably because i was there. but thanks for the post. i had not realized how similar jeff tedford is to the honey badger.

by longpasses on Sep 14, 2011 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

most depressing video ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmRq9KON2eA

don’t watch if you don’t want to cry. it has a surprise ending.

by longpasses on Sep 14, 2011 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

rec'd for

foreign strippers.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Sep 14, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Counterpoint:

I find it hard to draw any conclusions on Tedford’s character as a playcaller from the fact that he didn’t remove a play from his arsenal just because it blew up in his face once.

Playcallers on both sides of the ball are by definition gamblers. Some are more risk averse than others, but all of them synthesize the information at hand, consider the known unknowns, and conjecture at their best option. A coordinator like Tedford isn’t dissimilar to a high stakes card player—say, Phil Hellmuth or Daniel Negreneau. A trained, disciplined gambler understands that the right play at the wrong time can produce catastrophic results, but that it’s fallacy to assume those results are representative of the play itself. If you saw a poker player go bust three-betting the river on a paired board, would it surprise you to see them three-betting the river on a paired board at a later date?

Tedford didn’t take the play out of the playbook for the same reason it was in the playbook to begin with: Under the right conditions it works. Free release for the flat receiver, protection for the quarterback, the potential for a big play if coverage breaks down on the back end. It’s conceptually sound, a good way to get man coverage on the outside by sucking the safeties into the box against a run formation and give the quarterback a chance to get the ball to a player in space. In short: it would be more worrisome to me if I knew that Tedford specifically avoided making that call, because that would mean to me that Tedford has gone timid, and self-doubt is a good way to go bust in any endeavor. But the fact that he hasn’t fallen prey to the gambler’s fallacy only really tells me that our coach knows the difference between a bad beat and a bad call.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0

by AERose on Sep 14, 2011 11:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with everything you said, and I don’t think you’re really offering a counterpoint to anything I’ve stated. I think we’re in agreement.

I don’t think I ever said that Tedford should have taken the play out of the playbook. Nor am I criticizing him for not doing so. Every play can work under the right circumstances, and more importantly every play can work if the players win their individual battles. As you probably know, I’m a big believer that it’s execution, and not scheme, which is really the determining factor for whether a play is a success or not.

The purpose of this post wasn’t to criticize Tedford for not removing a play which didn’t work once from the playbook, but just merely to illustrate that a play which went so wrong once, was called up again later with positive results. And interestingly, it sparked a pretty good discussion on why the play worked on one occasion but didn’t on another.

by HydroTech on Sep 15, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

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