Long Bomb Logistics - Cal Wide Receivers In 2011!
TwistNHook: Keenan Allen. Marvin Jones. Keenan Allen! Marvin Jones!
Kodiak: I may be biased, but I think we have the best starting wideout tandem in the Pac-12. Although neither are burners, per say, both KA and Marv have the footwork and moves to get open all over the field, including going deep. When you watch video of their practices, it really strikes you how much separation there is between Marvin Jones, KA, and the rest of the wideouts. They are so much more precise and explosive in their footwork, even while working simple patterns like a 10-yard out.
OhioBear: Cal is blessed with a formidable starting duo in Keenan Allen and Marvin Jones. If this duo is not the best tandem in the Pac-12, they are certainly in the conversation. Both have speed, both have good hands, both seem to run good routes, and both have the ability to get yards after the catch. As far as the starting WRs go, Cal is just fine. KA and MJ are weapons and Zach Maynard couldn't really ask for anything more as a quarterback.
TwistNHook: A concern I have about Marin Jones is that he did have some untimely drops last year. He is clearly an explosive player with the ability to get separation, but I hope that his hands are 100% this season. We'll definitely need him and drops have affected the entire receiving corps the last few years. Hope that all goes away.
HydroTech: I'm not that worried about the WRs this year. Marvin Jones is clearly one of the better WRs in the Pac-10. Keenan Allen is one of those guys that should assert himself as a top WR in the Pac-12 this year too. And while beyond those two guys there are a lot of players who haven't seen a ton of playing time, I'm still not worried. Michael Calvin was a guy who showed some improvement last year catching some really tough balls. I'm bullish on him. Kaelin Clay and Coleman Edmond sound like guys who have the speed to really hurt the defense deep. I'm actually thinking this is perhaps one of the strongest units on offense if not the strongest unit.
I'm hoping that with an improve QB this year, that we'll see our WRs catching more balls down the field rather than on screens. I'm not knocking screens because they do serve a purpose. But last year it seemed that Cal ran tons of screens when Riley went down mostly because (1) we couldn't complete much else down the field; and (2) defenses were constantly blitzing us on passing downs because they knew we couldn't complete a lot of passes down the field. So overall, with an improved QB this season, I think our WRs will enjoy a greater variety of passing routes and catches.
NorCalNick: I've always felt like Tedford's offense has always been at it's best when there's a viable deep threat at WR. Think a healthy Chase Lyman or DeSean Jackson. So my question is: Can Marvin Jones and/or Keenan Allen already be considered a consistent deep threat, or do we need one of our young burners to step up and fill that role as a field stretcher? Marvin certainly has that ability to go up and catch deep balls, but he doesn't seem like an obvious speedster either.
LeonPowe: I think wideout is one area on the team where we're all pretty comfortable. The best unit we've had since the Hawk-DJax-RJordan - I think that one had a lot more talent, but this one has the potential for a lot more depth. With our top two, I think everyone knows where we stand. Big, talented, hands, moves, and enough speed (but not burner speed) but underestimate them at your own risk. I'm intrigued by the 3 or 4 back-ups though. I think there will be plenty of balls for the next 4.
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Consistency, or the lack thereof, is the biggest variable in the WR equation.
It seems like for the past two or three seasons the Cal passing game has been plagued with inconsistent performance. Whether the OL whiffing on protection, the QB mis-timing throws or just flat out missing open receivers, or receivers dropping balls that were right.in.their.hands. there has been almost non-stop aggravation. During many games my Old Blue friends and I would make side-bets on the cause of the incomplete pass, because you just knew it was coming. On any given passing play the long odds would always be on a completion.
Hopefully (oh god, hear our pleas) Coach Michzclyzckzzvzk will have the OL perform at a reasonable level, Coach Kiesau will be able to ensure the receiver’s focus is there, and Coach Tedford will bring the QB play around and all of the facepalming and agony around this will go away.
Until then I’ve voted “somewhat” for both this and the QB. After all, I earned my degree in science, so I am somewhat an empiricist.
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Pac seems to have a lot of WR talent. I think Cal’s WR’s have some decent talent, not sure if they’re really at the top of the Pac, though, just because of the competition. USC is probably #1. Arizona has Criner. Uncle Ted ranked both UW and Wash St’s #1 guy ahead of Cal’s. Lotta other talent out there…
I also think Uncle Ted based a lot of his rankings on spring ball and on what he saw at other teams’ practices. Tedford hasn’t let the media actually watch practice, so I think that’s causing them to underrate Cal a little bit out of relative uncertainty/unfamiliarity. I think Wilson and Kearse are really good players (I assume those are the guys you’re talking about), but I don’t think they’re clearly any better than Jones. Woods over at USC is fantastic, but beyond him you have a bunch of freshmen in Farmer/Lee/Blackwell, who, talented as they certainly are, haven’t even taken a snap yet. Jones’ numbers were hurt by some abysmal QB play at the end of the year. Plus we have Allen.
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by atomsareenough on Aug 23, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, I think that’s a pretty Cal-friendly view. You should check out what Kearse has done in his career so far, and especially last year. Wilson was awesome last year, too. I think their performance clearly separates them from Cal’s receivers, and spring/summer practices would only be a very minor consideration. I’m also not sure not seeing much of Cal in the offseason necessarily means Cal is underrated – Uncle Ted knows all about Jones and Allen, and got to see them all last year. Is there reason to think they’ll overperform expectations rather than underperform them?
As for comparing cores, well, WSU has a #2 receiver that’s back this year. George Farmer is supposed to be Robert Woods+. Not sure if UW has a good #2, but their #1 is really good, so that will make things easier on their #2, and Arizona seems to have a couple guys back with a lot of catches last year to go along with Criner…..
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
(Here’s Ted’s take on the conference receiving situation as a whole)
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I know fairly little about Arizona, so I’ll take Teddy’s word for it. Criner is pretty impressive, of course, but then we shut him down until the last drive when we played them last year. But yeah, it seems like they’re deep. I think UW and Wazzu have good players but like I said I don’t think they’re head and shoulders above ours. USC has talent but even Teddy acknowledges that at this point it’s still in the category of “upside”. I’d probably put Cal in that top tier as well, is all I’m saying.
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by atomsareenough on Aug 23, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
No, he had a fair amount of targets on a few different routes, he just wasn’t getting any separation from D-Hag.
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I think Kearse is very good, but remember, he had Jake Locker, a first round, #8 overall NFL draft pick throwing to him last season, and he won’t this season. Marvin had a guy who couldn’t even complete half his passes throwing to him for 5 games. Marquess Wilson’s stats were also very impressive, and I liked what I saw from him last season, but also there’s a context factor there… Wazzu being so bad means that they play from behind and throw a lot. I think Tuel is a good QB, but it’s been brought up that he’s got a lot of great 4th quarter stats because by then other teams have racked up a big lead against Wazzu and they have their 3rd-stringers out there and Tuel is good enough to rack up stats against them.
I’m not saying those guys aren’t great players, but I think MJ and Allen can stack up against them fairly well.
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by atomsareenough on Aug 23, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course, that same Jake Locker only completed 55% of his throws and just wasn’t that great a passer overall….
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Locker was also constantly running for his life behind a really terrible O-line, IIRC. Wasn’t there some debate about whether his poor completion percentage was mostly his fault or not? I don’t know where I read it….
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by atomsareenough on Aug 23, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Possibly a valid point with respect to Locker, though I don’t see why it matters from the standpoint of Kearse’s production?
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, 55% is significantly better than 48% first of all, and secondly perhaps the issue is that Locker had to throw it away more, but when he had time to throw, he was a lot more on target than Mansion? Hard to say definitively, but I suspect Locker would not have gotten drafted so high if he were truly a poor passer.
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by atomsareenough on Aug 23, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
This Mike Silver article has a scout who makes the argument that Jake Locker was a great player on a bad team.
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Yeah, I think that was the one! Thanks, Nick :)
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by atomsareenough on Aug 23, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
If Jones stays away from the dropsies and Cal can actually get the ball to him, I think he can be right up there. I don’t remember DJax, Hawk, or RoJo having problems catching balls (with the exception of that 07 Stanford game)
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I do think this is Cal’s most talented receiving core since that trio. I just think it’s worth noting how much talent is around the Pac-12, and I’m not sure Cal’s receiving core is special, necessarily. Just good.
by Missing Barry on Aug 23, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Only key drop that I remember from RoJo was that 4th quarter INT against Texas Tech in ’04. He was just a frosh, though.
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RoJo’s drop was in the second quarter of that game, man. Get it right. Jeez! How could you forget such a God-awful moment in Cal football history?!?
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by atomsareenough on Aug 23, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Beyond confident...
Do yourselves a favor..if you have the means, go back and watch the Cal-ASU game from last year. I just re-watched it and it restored any shade of doubt in our receivers. Marvin Jones was downright brilliant and dominated one of the best corners in the pac-10 (omar bolden) Most of the balls Riley threw in that game were underthrown, but Jones jumped up and somehow won them. If Maynard’s touch is indeed as good as Tedford has said it is, we may be in for some exciting deep-ball this year.
..And for the record, assuming we get Clay back, I think we should start running the 3 or 4 receiver spear sets again.
I rewatched that game on Saturday. Yes, Marvin was brilliant and adjusted really well to Riley’s throws. And man, Riley really underthrew most of them. Could have been interceptions.
And another thing I noticed. Sofele got plenty of handoffs, but didnt show much brilliance. He did go outside on few occasions, but got almost nothing when he tried to through middle.
sofele isn’t big enough to move the pile, and I don’t think he’s going to be our first option in goalline situations. As I remember, Vereen did a lot of waiting for a gap to open on his up-the-middle runs. I think that kind of patience is hard for a young back—hopefully that will change this year.
by slaphancock on Aug 23, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
...news?
Does anyone have injury updates on Clay, Harris, and Bouza?
Last I heard, Clay should be back in a week or so… How about Harris’ knee? Bouza’s finger?
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by atomsareenough on Aug 23, 2011 12:08 PM PDT reply actions
blocking
who is our best blocking receiver? I think that if our interior line starts to whiff, we might see a lot of runs to the outside, with WR crackbacks on LBs, etc. Does anyone have any thoughts on our WRs blocking abilities?
Hes still on team, and hes practicing
There is a mention of Montgomery catching a pass from Montgomery on bearterritory.
So I assume hes practicing mostly with the 2’s?
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