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Is Coach Tedford's Offense Too Complex? (Part 3)

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We continue to try to hold off our Cal football withdrawal with a further look at Coach Jeff Tedford's offense.  In Part One, we looked at the number of pages in his playbook and examined the details of one of the plays itself.  In Part Two, we examined the rumor that his offense is more complex than some NFL offenses.

 

Question #4:  Are pro-style offenses like Tedford's too complex for the college game?  Why doesn't Cal go to something simpler to learn, easier to recruit for, and more "modern" like a spread attack?

First of all, not all spread and pro-style offenses are created equal.

Mike Leach's "Air Raid" offense only has 9-12 passing plays, but the quarterback has the ability to check to any one of them at any given time.

More important than the playbook itself, however, is how Texas Tech works on their execution.

"Although not as structured, it is impressive to watch Texas Tech practice and you quickly see why it is so successful. The ball is always in the air and what the Red Raiders practice is what you see them do in a game. They work on every phase of their package every day and in most passing drills, there are four quarterbacks throwing and every eligible receiver catching on each snap.

There is great detail given to fundamentals in all phases of the passing game. Wide receivers, for example, work every day on releases versus different coverages, ball security, scrambling drills, blocking and routes versus specific coverages."

 

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But wait, spread offenses are more simple, right?  Take a look at this transcript of Missouri QB Blaine Gabbert as he discusses how he had to change his reads in the Tigers come-back against the SDSU Aztecs.  Arguably, all the checks and reads are just as complex if not more so than any pro-style attack.

Gabbert: No, they just kept lining up in this flat coverage and showing the blitz. I'd have to slide the line into a gap over-protection. They started to give it away in these situations because they had to get back because we were going to win the football game.

Moe: It took us a while to figure it out, though. Because early on, they'd back out and we had already checked the play. And then you just have a 6-yard route.

Gabbert:  Since they're in a no-deep coverage, I've got to change the play and move the line into a gap over-protection and slide it because they're bringing six and we only have five to block.

Matter: So, you're sliding the line to your left?

Gabbert: Yeah, their right defensive end will be blocked, and their end to the field side will be free because we slid the line left.

Matter: Ideally, if what happened didn't happen, your first reads are all on the right side?

Gabbert: To the field, yes. Michael to Wes to Brandon.

 

 

On the other hand, Steve Sarkisian's pro-style offense with Jake Locker as the quarterback relied almost exclusively on a "one-read and run" series of plays. 

This is a common theme in the Washington offense: giving the quarterback quick, single reads and if that read doesn't work out, tuck the ball and run. But the downside of this system is that Locker tends to rush through the play like a child that is asked to read a book aloud but in his attempt to impress, reads the words too fast and without meaning. 

 

 

As to the notion that the pro-style offense is out-dated, what about Alabama's 2010 national championship, Stanfurd's success under Jim Harbaugh, and USC's run under Pete Carroll?  If not for a toe on a sideline or a whiner from Texas, wouldn't we be talking about Tedford's pro-style offense in two Rose Bowls?

So which is the better offense?

Last year, Cal's defense played very well against Oregon's spread attack, but we were absolutely steam-rolled by 'sc's and Stanfurd's pro-style attacks.  Cali49a breaks it down very well here:

"With different combinations of personnel, Furd and SC showed more formations and there was much more to prepare for. Throw in some different looks not shown on tape and it can throw a defense off. I broke down the Oregon game and they used the same personnel 98.9% of the time against Cal. The risk of confusion and thinking on the defensive side of the ball drops when a team does not have to scramble to adjust to offensive substitutions."

Interestingly enough, Smartfootball.com predicts that "the spread and pro-style offenses will learn to coexist."

College offenses constantly go in and out of vogue, which means the spread-offense craze is bound to plateau (if it hasn't already). [Ed Note: Yes it has, if the goal is to give underdogs a better chance.] Last season, the spread still thrived for teams like Pac-10 champion Oregon, Big East champion Cincinnati and 13-1 Florida. However, Alabama won the national championship with a more traditional, pro-style offense, Stanford defied the trend of recent upstarts by utilizing an old-school, smash-mouth offense and Nebraska's disruptive defense showed it's possible to shut down a wide-open attack like Texas'.

So will the recent influx of NFL-influenced coaches like Washington's Steve Sarkisian and USC's Kiffin kill the spread? Not exactly. Spread gurus like Notre Dame's Brian Kelly and Mississippi State's Dan Mullen keep importing it at new locations, and Arizona State's Dennis Erickson - a veteran of both levels - is one of several coaches implementing a version of former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach's Air Raid attack this season.

Instead, the future is likely a hybrid of both systems.

"The great thing would be the combination of both - spread it out and throw it, then be able to do it with two tight ends and run the ball with some power," said Erickson. "It's just the evolution of football. I really believe if you can have a combination of all that stuff and confuse [defenses] with different personnel groups, that's what it's all about."  

 

Anyone remember a certain pro-style coach bringing in a spread-guru for his offensive coordinator to see if he could create a hybrid attack?  (Tedspread, 2006)  As former special teams assistant and hydrotech, MrBearister alluded to, whatever we've thought or dreamed up for the Cal offense, Coach Tedford has already had that thought.

"If a fan thinks that they know something that Coach Tedford or anyone on the coaching staff doesn't, they're fooling themselves. Every thought about who should QB, which play should be called, etc. etc... Coach Tedford has already had the thought. He and his staff are the one's that watch every play, make every move.. that's why they get paid. Some fans think that utilization of certain players, or situations aren't taken, and that might be true. But people need to realize, this is Tedford's team. His philosophies and decisions have brought the program to a high level. Having growing pains now is hard for many to deal with and you can tell that in his recent off-season staff changes, he understands the need for change to further improve. Those changes, I guarantee you we NOT because he "listened to the fans."

 

Summary:  I think the importance of the type of offense a team runs is overblown.  Instead of switching to the spread, or the pistol, or the latest flavor of the month, or trying to do a little of everything, I think that having the right personnel who can execute their system is more important.  I know.  It's a staggering revelation.  (Note:  Standard disclaimer about me not being an expert)  And clearly, having pro-level talent at key positions, especially at quarterback, is bound to make any offense look better.  

Poll
What type of offense should Coach Tedford run?
He should go back to his traditional pro-style set.
69 votes
Let's commit to a full spread attack.
13 votes
Hybrid pro-style with spread elements.
66 votes
Pistolero!!!
13 votes
It doesn't matter as long as we execute properly.
132 votes

293 votes | Poll has closed

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Spread offense can provide some advantage...

if its is run well (see missed reads by Darron Thomas during the NC Game vs. Auburn), but the key to any good offense is execution (as you have mentioned). I remember hearing about the De LaSalle offense during “the streak” described as 4-5 plays run to perfection every time – like a well oiled machine. Alignment, assignment, execution – all day long! If the complexity of the playbook gets in the way of those things, then we have to simplify for the sake of execution.

by SierraBear on Jul 25, 2011 6:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Didn’t Marvin Jones wants to weigh in on this subject?

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by CruzinBears on Jul 25, 2011 8:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Marvin Jones did, and he said it wasn’t too complex, but obviously he’s going to say that because he’s still playing for Tedford and wants to play in the NFL. He also said that if Keenan Allen can pick it up as a true freshman then it can’t be too complex. One other tidbit he mentioned was that the offense is great for preparing guys for the NFL since it’s a pro-style offense, which is obviously also a great recruiting tool.

Bottom line is that the offense might be complex but it’s not too complex, and not’s not a bad thing.

by TJDJ on Jul 25, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Summary: I think the importance of the type of offense a team runs is overblown. […] I think that having the right personnel who can execute their system is more important. I know. It’s a staggering revelation.

Sigh.

This is exactly what came into my head after the first of this series. All this talk of complexity, different offensive strategies, etc is really just a pointless masturbatory exercise. If the players are properly coached and are able to execute, the system will work (for lack of a better word). The poor results of the last couple of years had far less to do with whether or not the playbook was too complicated, and more about players simply making mistakes. Whether those mistakes are correctable through coaching or not is the question. But I believe that the mistakes would have happened regardless of playbook density or offensive strategy.

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by SoCal Oski on Jul 25, 2011 8:54 AM PDT reply actions  

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Summary: I think the importance of the type of offense a team runs is overblown. Instead of switching to the spread, or the pistol, or the latest flavor of the month, or trying to do a little of everything, I think that having the right personnel who can execute their system is more important. I know. It’s a staggering revelation.

Completely agree.

So often it seems like football fans are always looking for complicated answers which don’t exist and overlook the simple answers. It’s simply execution. It doesn’t really matter the scheme or the style of offense. It can all work if there is just better execution by the offense than the defense. But for some reason, it seems like your typical football fan hates to accept that simple answer as the truth. Instead, they steadfastly believe that instead the problems are the scheme, or the style of offense, how thick the playbook is, or whatever the complicated answer of the day is.

Just execute. Win the play. Win the next play. Win the play after that. Keep doing that and you’ll win the game. It’s THAT simple.

by HydroTech on Jul 25, 2011 10:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Well… look, I’m not arguing that we need to go to a spread or whatever, but I think the argument that people were making was not necessarily that the spread is inherently superior, but that it was easier to execute, right? Look at the Ducks’ offense: It’s not the most complicated offense out there, but the Ducks have become successful because they run their offense like such a well oiled machine that it doesn’t need amazing physical talent at the O-line if they have talent at the skill positions and run the plays super-quickly because they are second nature. And part of the reason why they’ve been able to internalize it so thoroughly is that it’s not that complicated… right?

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by atomsareenough on Jul 25, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

And part of the reason why [the duckers have] been able to internalize it so thoroughly is that it’s not that complicated… right?

I don’t agree.

The point you seem to be advocating (or, at least for which you’re playing devil’s advocate), is that the spread is simpler to understand, therefore it is easier to execute and thus more successful, and you offer oregun as evidence. However, that argument is countered by the fact that both the furd and SC use a pro-set (which following the implication is more complex and more difficult to execute than the spread, and therefore less likely to be successful) and both of them had pretty good seasons.

In either case it’s the personnel doing their jobs properly and executing without error that resulted in success, not one system over the other because of complexity or simplicity. The duckers weren’t successful because the spread is less complicated (as your last statement concludes), but because their personnel executed it nearly flawlessly (as you mention just before).

From what I can tell, the argument over whether Tedford’s playbook is too complex is just silly. However, discussion regarding whether Tedford’s playbook is suitable to the current Cal players may not be. Perhaps the Cal team is more physically suited for the spread. I don’t think so, but that question is more valid than if the playbook is too hard.

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by SoCal Oski on Jul 25, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don’t think it might be slightly easier to execute a zone read/spread option kind of offense than a pro style offense? Do you think a pro-style offense could be run at the same speed/efficiency Oregon runs theirs? I don’t know enough to say for sure.

Also, I think it’s worth pointing out that ’Furd and SC have much better talent on the O-line than Oregon does.

Look, I agree that any scheme can be executed well and can be successful if it is. But just because there are different ways to do something that can all be done well, it doesn’t mean they are all equally easy to do well. I personally don’t think it’s entirely clear that Oregon’s offense is easier to execute, and I don’t want to see Cal adopt it, but I think the people who are advocating for it aren’t saying that it’s the only way to be successful in college football, I think they’re saying it’s easier to execute.

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by atomsareenough on Jul 25, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clearly scheme isn’t magic, but that doesn’t mean that fans should ignore the possibility that a scheme is suboptimal. In Cal’s case, using a variety of formations and personnel groupings may put stress on the defense by requiring them to prepare for many different looks and controlling defensive personnel and alignments. It may also provide more tells as to the offense’s intent and put inferior players in important roles. In fact, it probably does all of this; the question is whether the current trade off is optimal. If someone thinks that changing to this year’s hot flavor will instantly produce a great offense, they are probably fooling themselves. That hardly rules out the possibility that the offense would marginally improve with the removal of a few plays, formations, or personnel groupings. Execution is related to talent and practice time, both of which might be better deployed in a smaller and more coherent scheme.

by MountainTiger on Jul 25, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I agree that there’s always possibility that a scheme can be suboptimal. Although I am probably one of the biggest “just execute” people on this blog, I’m not oblivious to the fact that scheme does have an effect on the team and the defense. It’s just, I’m quite tired of so many people concocting complicated explanations for what are basically just player errors or guys getting beat. And sure, some schemes may put some players in tougher positions than other schemes, etc. etc., but assuming the coaching staff is maximizing the team’s chances of winning by implementing the scheme they think is most easily executed by the team and provides the team with the greatest chance to win (which isn’t a far-fetched assumption), then all that is left is execution.

by HydroTech on Jul 25, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

"just execute" people

OMG YOU MONSTER

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by atomsareenough on Jul 25, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

With all due respect

I believe Cal hasn’t been implementing the most easily executed scheme because they might be overthinking what gives them the greatest chance to win, with a farsightedness that misses the appaling gap in basic fundamentals and execution (like blocking or running the right routes.)

I think a lot of people are quite tired with bIaming execution problems solely on the players and the Tedford walks on water rationale, so blame everyone else. The prolific NFL success of Cal players seems to belie the players losing the game or not enough talent explanations for Cal underperformance. When a team consistently fails to execute, especially offense and special teams, for seasons at a time, the coach has to step back and reevaluate, which Tedford, to his credit has done. I hope Tedford calling the plays and especially tutoring QBs (how does he reason ever pulling himself out of that role in the first place?) will help but do you ever question why Tedford needs to sleep in the office? As a “execution” guy, when his line can’t block and his QB can’t hit an out, does all the scheming matter? How does a good coach miss that?

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by bringbackbuddytrees on Aug 11, 2011 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

there are four quarterbacks throwing and every eligible receiver catching on each snap.

I actually kinda like this idea. Why can’t we implement a drill like this??

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by atomsareenough on Jul 25, 2011 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Maybe we do, except we don’t know because of the closed practices…

by TJDJ on Jul 25, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want the “dominating offensive line” offense. When can we implement that one?

by Missing Barry on Jul 25, 2011 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

u mean stanfurd’s?

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by carp on Jul 25, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frankly, yeah.

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by atomsareenough on Jul 25, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cal ’04 and ’05 would be good, too.

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by Ohio Bear on Jul 25, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with Cal’s offense is that it hasn’t been much more than “Give to Jahvid Best and hope for a TD” since ’08.

The pro-style / WCO can work at a place where lots of talent comes in like Bama and USC. Cal, too, for that matter if things keep improving and we can actually land some high caliber offensive linemen, a QB who can throw accurately (notice, Kline fans, I didn’t say hard) and do whatever it is that Tedford wants him to do, and suitable “good football players” at positions like FB, #1 & #2 TE, 3rd WR, etc.

It seems like we can get the awesome skill player or two, but struggle with the nuts n bolts that are critical to getting 1st downs.

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by carp on Jul 25, 2011 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Off the topic...

I heard Shaq Thompson hurt his knee last week. Anyone know anything on this?

Sorry about changing the topic.

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by calas on Jul 25, 2011 3:27 PM PDT reply actions  

He did have an injury and didn’t play at the Gridiron Kings this weekend…..Not sure what it was but heard it was not serious..

by Cal_Fan2 on Jul 25, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we clarify what "pro-style" and "spread" actually mean first?

It’s becoming as overused and misunderstood as “west coast offense.” I mean, are we merely talking about how complicated each coach’s playbook is? That’s what it seems like writers here are getting at—that Tedford’s playbook is too complicated, which is different than “style” of play or “scheme” or “philosophy.” My perception of “pro-style” has been formation choices (using a fullback in a two back set, and sometimes two tight ends). Because of having so many formations, the playbook is naturally thicker, thus harder to learn, understand, remember, execute, etc. My perception of “spread” has been multiple wide out sets with one back or an empty backfield, minimal use of the tight end, a minimal use of different formations, often giving the QB simple pre-snap reads (run or pass) that can vary from play to play. But the two phrases don’t intrinsically presuppose anything about the “complicatedness” (i know that is not a word) of the offense (i.e. scheme). I think identifying our vague terms will narrow discussion in a constructive manner.

by salary_cap on Jul 25, 2011 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

And only hours studying all the game film will tell you

whether the problem is play calling or game planning or poor execution. We don’t see what receivers are open/not open on every play, we don’t know if the QB is throwing to the right receiver on every play. It’s a hard thing to explain. People search for answers when their team loses. This is natural. I think the question posed in this series of articles is a fair one, though. It’s just really hard to answer unless you are in tight with the team all day every day and watch all the film and all the practices. Another question is: Is Tedford preparing his players and team for his system well enough. Again, gotta be there to answer that.

by salary_cap on Jul 25, 2011 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

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