Is Candlestick Bear Territory? A CGB Discussion About The Cal-Fresno State Game
[We're starting the pre-season with a look at our first opponent Fresno State. We also talked with Matt over at Red Wave Central, a Fresno State site knowledgeable about the bulldogs. He provides his thoughts at the end. Enjoy!]
TwistNHook: On September 3, 2011, an interesting matchup in an interesting location occurs. Cal takes on Fresno State in Candlestick Park. Technically, it is a neutral site game, although the fandom will probably skew towards Cal. I cannot remember the last time Cal had a neutral site game.
When people think of Fresno State, they think of Pat "The Mustache" Hill and his intensely aggressive mentality. The Bulldogs will be amped up to take on a Pac-12 team. What do all y'all think about this game and the Fresno State University Bulldogs in 2011?
NorCalNick: 2010 wasn't a vintage Fresno St. team as the Bulldogs lost three times in the WAC and got blown out by a bad Ole Miss team and by Northern Illinois in the Humanitarian Bowl. But they did continue their 'giant killing' success with wins over Cincinnati and Illinois.
Of course, the Bearcats and Illini were hardly the best competition BCS conferences had to offer last year. But Illinois did manage to reach bowl eligibility and finished 7-6, which is more than you could say for Cal last year. So clearly Cal needs to be wary.
OhioBear: Cal's last neutral site game: 2009 Poinsettia Bowl (lost to Utah)
Cal's last neutral site regular season game: 2003 season opener vs. Kansas State in Kansas City (lost)
LeonPowe: Hey I drove to that game in Kansas city! Reggie Robertson started and we hung tough with k state
HydroTech: I definitely think FSU will be amped to take on Cal. It's a big game for them. To Cal, it's not exactly a huge game, but if they don't treat it as one then they can certainly lose the game. FSU is used to taking on big time opponents. It's what they do. While as of late they haven't been as good at it as they were 5 years ago or so, they're always a dangerous team. Pat Hill will get his boys ready to take on Cal, and I can only hope the Cal players don't overlook this FSU team.
TwistNHook: Obviously the focus for Cal fans will be on how the offense performs. The offense has not been at the standard Tedfordian level in some time now and there is growing concern.
Fortunately for Cal, FSU just lost some key defensive talent:
The emphasis on defense comes at a time when the Bulldogs are undergoing a shift on defense and have lost three of their best defensive players -- WAC Defensive Player of the Year Chris Carter, linebacker Ben Jacobs and safety Lorne Bell.
What is interesting is that David Carr's younger brother will be the signal caller for the Bulldogs this season:
QB Derek Carr -- The brother of former Fresno State star and No. 1 NFL Draft pick David Carr, Derek Carr will be the starting quarterback next season. Fresno State fans are hoping he's worth the wait. Carr played sparingly behind starter Ryan Colburn in 2009 and then redshirted in 2010, leaving him with three years of eligibility.
He has minimal experience going into the game. Hopefully, Coach Lupoi's crushing DLine can grind him into the turf and keep the potentially explosive bulldog offense from ever getting going.
Kodiak: The biggest issue with playing Fresno State is that Pat Hill always instills toughness and a don't-back-down-from-anyone attitude in his team. If the Cal players aren't ready to get hit in the mouth, roughed up, and blindsided with borderline dirty play, it could be a long day. We have to be ready to match their physicality right from kickoff. Otherwise, we could find ourselves blitzkrieged and cede to them all the emotional momentum.
I hope it's not close because they have the vastly superior field goal kicker. Although we have the better punter, punting ain't winning if the game is on the line and someone needs to split the uprights.
TwistNHook: Red Wave Central has this note about a FSU DLineman:
Defensive tackle Logan Harrell, who racked up 10.5 sacks last year, was named to both the Outland and Nagurski Trophy lists. Without Chris Carter’s presence on the outside, however, Harrell is likely to find it tougher to get to the quarterback.
So, Harrell is a man to keep an eye on.
Berkelium97: This year's opener is a very intriguing matchup. It will be the type of game that defines this season, and may very well have important implications for Tedford's tenure at Cal. After all the criticism following last year's debacle, Tedford and the Bears need to make a strong showing to cast aside any doubts that he has "peaked." The return of Michaczik and Kiesau as well as other important changes among position coaches should greatly improve some glaring weaknesses that have emerged over the past couple seasons. If the Bears come out and make a strong showing, they could be on their way to a 3-0 start and a solid bounce back from last year's losing season. If they lose this game, it could be a sign of a long and painful season...one where we could be a hasty offseason decision away from saying goodbye to Coach Tedford.
Of course, I believe the Bears have a big talent advantage, but you can never count out a Pat Hill team. Those Bulldogs will do their best to punch the Bears in the mouth all day. Cal can (and should) win, but it will be a tough matchup. Fresno State's loss of talent on defense is encouraging, as is the fact that they will roll out a new quarterback who will be under siege all day thanks to Coach Pendergast.
TwistNHook: Score predictions? Who is going to win?
Berkelium97: I'm expecting a defensive battle where special teams could be a wild card (ALAMAR!--it would be great to be on the other side of an Alamar Special for once). Bears hold on to win 20-13.
OhioBear: In 1995 at Memorial Stadium, Cal led Fresno State 24-12 in the 4th quarter after Na'il Benjamin turned a short pass from Pat Barnes into an 84-yard touchdown strike. But Fresno State rallied to win, 25-24.
Avinash: 100-0 Cal, the score we've won every opening home game by the past decade under Tedford.
OhioBear: Not so fast, Avi. This game is on a neutral site. And we are 0-1 in season openers at neutral sites under Tedford. (Lost to Kansas State in Kansas City in 2003.)
Avinash: Kansas City is a neutral site for Kansas State? Did all the Wildcat fans have to walk from Manhattan?
Fine then, lope off half the points. 50-0 Cal.
OhioBear: Don't be silly. I think they rode Segways.
TwistNHook: Just like the Stick is a neutral game for Cal!
HydroTech: I'm gonna say 27-17 Cal.
NorCalNick: I think the Cal defense will hold down a decent Fresno St. offense reasonably well. The game will likely come down to how well Cal's iffy offense does against Fresno St.'s rebuilding defense, which lost quite a few starters from last years squad. If Cal can move the ball reasonably well, or if they get a few big turnovers or defensive touchdowns, then Cal cruises. If that doesn't happen it's an ugly, low scoring battle the whole way. I'll split the difference. How about 24-13, Cal?
Matt at Red Wave Central: You could argue that Fresno State in 2010 was just like vintage Fresno State: The 'Dogs have won either 8 or 9 games in eight of the last ten years, and have lost at least two conference games in each of those seasons. The lack of a WAC title grates on fans here in Fresno and now, with Boise State in another conference, Pat Hill is under a lot of pressure to deliver a conference crown. A win against Cal to open 2011 would bring a lot of goodwill to a coach that's been much-maligned by local critics.
Kodiak mentioned WR Devon Wylie midway through the piece. He and Jalen Saunders, the other returning starter (and last year's #2 in catches and yards), can fly, and behind them junior Rashad Evans will be joined in 2011 by Victor Dean and Josh Harper, two redshirt freshmen that fans in the Valley expect big things from in 2011. You guys might also consider it noteworthy that Dean is the tallest WR in Fresno State history (6-5 or 6-6, depending on what you read) and Harper had originally committed to Cal before changing his mind to join the Bulldogs.
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Is Candlestick Bear Territory?
Uh, you really don’t want an answer for that one, do you?
Are you suggesting we cancel this game entirely?
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No, but you might want to think about what you asked in that headline. :)
The answer’s probably yes. But the word “bear” has a different meaning in San Fransisco, if you catch my drift.
by SWRT on Jul 22, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
When I initially read your comment, I thought you were a Fresno State fan saying that the answer would be “HELL 2 DA NAW!”
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It does?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 22, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope, you can check out our sister (brother?) site at cyberbears.com
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by CruzinBears on Jul 22, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I love the “this is your team” at the end of the FSU commercial. It sounded as if they have no choice but to support Fresno State . . . which led me to believe that the poor souls who live in Fresno are stuck there forever. Haha.
As for Candlestick being Bear Territory? Hopefully . . . Candlestick is not a nice park, it is a pain to get to, Cal had a bad year last year, and FSU travels well. We’ll see . . .
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jul 22, 2011 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m actually terrified of the new Carr. He wanted to come to Cal! He wants revenge!
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jul 22, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Neutral site
I suspect the crowd will be pretty evenly balanced between the two fan bases. If anything, I expect more support for Fresno than for Cal. There are lots of Fresno State alumni and fans in the Bay Area, and who living in the Valley wouldn’t want to make a trip to San Francisco on Labor Day weekend? Throw in the color red, which is so visually dominant, especially compared to navy blue, and I suspect that Candlestick—or at least a major portion thereof—will belong to the Bulldogs. Hopefully, though, between the lines, it will be 100% Bear territory.
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by California Pete on Jul 22, 2011 9:41 AM PDT reply actions
also the prices may drive Cal fans away, if the responses from this site are any indication for what the general response was.
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by Joe Bandsmen on Jul 22, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
They'll certainly be quite a bit of red in the stands, but by
no means is the Stick not going to be de facto home field for Cal. And who is the genius that scheduled this game at the Stick rather than AT&T? Was there a scheduling conflict? Does anyone know?
AT&T would be a home game for Cal, wouldnt it?
I think Candlestick was the best location to host a neutral site game.
I guess my question should be
why the stipulation between the teams to play only at a neutral site? Cal has not done this in my recent memory.
Perhaps it was our only way t avoid a dreaded home and home where we had to go to Fresno?
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Plus, I think there is value in playing at Candlestick. Promotional for the peninsula crew. Right in Stanford’s back yard!!!!
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Now that's a bit of a stretch...
…as much as I’d like to associate anything Stanford with Hunter’s Point/Bayview, the Stick is a dump in the boondocks. Opening the season at AT&T — where the degeneracy ratio is more palatable, albeit slightly — would have been sweet.
This game is going to suck in many ways. Attendance will be ass poor since Cal fans don’t want to fork over more than they already have for ATT games, FSU fans will show up in droves and their redneck stench will waft over the stadium like insecticides on a cotton crop, and there’s a nonzero chance we could lose. Not looking forward to this in any way.
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What is the easiest way to get from Berkeley to Candlestick?
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
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by CruzinBears on Jul 22, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Car.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 22, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Cross the Bay Bridge and keep on going.
Leave Berkeley in plenty of time to get there.
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Mediocre offense, terrible defense, I am so terribly frightened of Fresno State. Cal drops at least 35 on the Fresno D and cruises.
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I am, but just me – couldn’t sell the wife on this one.
by HelloBowlesHall on Jul 22, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm gonna sit this one out
I’d like to go, but it’s just too hard to get to Candlestick without a car. And I’m gonna save the money for Big Game tickets this year. Plus, the student seats are terrible.
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38-17 Cal win
Its hard for Cal players to overlook this game. Its a season opener, and the players should be really excited for the game.
If it were in middle of season and they were playing Oregon the following week, maybe. But I think Cal will come out very focused and win easily.
Tedford's take
I was at an event where Tedford spoke and encouraged everyone to buy tickets to this game, otherwise he said that Fresno State will fill the stadium and it won’t be much of a “neutral” game site. He’s expecting a HUGE Fresno State turn-out. I’m going to try and get my tickets from the box office today.
The stick will have a very strong fresneck presence; to them they’re all fired up and to Cal fans, they don’t give 2 shits about the stick and are already getting bent over for season tickets at AT&T.
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I’m going with my wifey and friends. Gooooo BEARS!
by rollonyoubears111 on Jul 22, 2011 2:31 PM PDT reply actions
who will win?
Due to the lack of offensive prowess seen last year, I don’t expect that much of an improvement especially when working with a semi-green quarterback. It’s not gonna look pretty, and I anticipate a lot of interceptions being thrown by Maynard. Obviously, if that happens, we’ll lose in epic fashion (which I am sort of used to, sadly). Sorry, but 56-3 doesn’t look unrealistic. If Carr is for real, he could make our secondary look like the way they did against our pro-style opponents like Stanford and SC or even a non pro-style Kirpatrinickishpershenk style offense of Nevada.
Sadly, if this were to happen, I don’t think I’ll be attending any games at ATT park. So, if there is a disaster opening, my 2 season passes will go bye bye to someone who likes pain.
by rollonyoubears111 on Jul 22, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm going to go out on a limb here
I don’t think there’s any chance we lose 56-3.
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I'd be glad that if I was proven way wrong...
but …when Oregon smashed us up in 2009, when SC in 09 made me feel like the OU thing wasn’t a fluke (when we supposed to be the Pac 10 champs that year), when Utah messed us up in the second half of our last Bowl, when Nevada ran over us in ‘10, when….I can go on and on and on. I know it’s a different team with different coaches this year, but I haven’t seen any light at the end of the tunnel. But, seriously AERose and Ohio Bear, I hope that I am delusional, but I have no expectations this year whatsoever. So, yeah. Pump sunshine. I’ll gladly join you… But for now, I am just gonna scream and yell, and hope that we destroy every team we play. I’ve stayed til the end of every home game, even when we were down by 3 scores in the last minutes of the 4th quarter. I am a die hard fan. But, I was raised in a household that focuses on the negatives in hope to change them for the better. No positive reinforcement here…I’ll say positive things until the report card comes out and it has straight A’s. I’m not gonna tell my C average student that he’s doing great and tell him he’s definitely going to get an A on that test.
by rollonyoubears111 on Jul 23, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
We are playing lots of Red this year
Furd, Fresno, Utah, $C. Lots of motivation. Just seeing red makes players want to destroy them!
Uncertainty is, fittingly, the name of this game for both teams.
Both teams have quarterbacks who are unknowns in terms of PT; I’d argue Fresno has a better idea about Carr than Cal does about Maynard, even though Maynard has started a full season before. (But at Buffalo, it almost doesn’t count.)
This is an uncertain season for Cal as well. Their top defensive recruits are still working their way up the depth charts, and the offense has a suspect passer and NO running back worthy of anybody’s confidence (yet). I suspect their defense to play well at times, mostly against sub-par offenses (like last year), but fear that the same issues on both sides will plague the Bears again. Tedford won’t have any excuses after these recruiting classes, particularly on defense.
I think we’re going to see flashes of talent on defense and will be excited about it. Whether that talent comes together THIS year as a formidable unit is another question.
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hmmm…you can see the golden gate from the stick?
well, i’m optimistic (but i’m generally a sunshine pumper before the season starts). i think our boys will do well and put a hurting on the boys from the no.
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I think we cruise to a win
Hopeful thinking perhaps, but we tend to be pumped for opening day even for more talented teams than Fresno State (no offense). Our opening day record during the Tedford era is 7-2 including a couple quality wins. The two losses were both away, which I do NOT qualify this as an away game – at worst I see this as 50:50 (although we had a lot of fans at Nevada too and that didn’t seem to help too much).
2002: Baylor 70-22 Win, home
2003: Kansas St 28-42 Loss, away
2004: Air Force 56-14 Win, away
2005: Sac State 41-3 Win, home
2006: Tennessee 18-35 Loss, away
2007: Tennessee 45-31 Win, home
2008: Michigan St 38-31 Win, home
2009: Maryland 52-13 Win, home
2010: UC Davis 52-3 Win, home
by HelloBowlesHall on Jul 22, 2011 6:23 PM PDT reply actions
Tough one
I do think this is going to be a Fresno crowd, and I fear those “anyone anywhere anytime” teams…but it’s the opener, and we generally go big on the opener (as depicted above), and I think Tedford will have the team jacked up and ready for his alma mater. No way he sleeps on this one. That said, I expect a ton of mistakes with all the young talent, but in the end…I’m going to say 38-28 Cal.
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