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Does The Cliff Harris Incident Reflect A Lack Of Institutional Control At Oregon?

Strange things are afoot at Eugene-based Circle Ks, my friends.  And I don't refer to the recent inappropriate tweet pics sent out by the Oregon Duck to some cheerleaders.

No, up in Oregon the parade of potentially phelonius phenoms (OK, I'm assuredly addicted to alliteration) continues.  The most recent case involves Oregon corner, Cliff Harris:

Harris, who is drawing preseason all-America mention as a cornerback and punt returner entering his junior season, faces hefty fines after being pulled over early Sunday morning for allegedly driving 118 mph by state police. Harris was also cited for driving with a suspended license, at least the third time he’s been cited for those violations in tandem since joining the Ducks in the fall of 2009.

For these actions, Chip Kelly suspended Harris from the football team until at least after the LSU game:

University of Oregon cornerback Cliff Harris has been suspended indefinitely from the Ducks’ football program following last weekend’s incident that included citations for driving at excessive speeds and driving with a suspended license, head football coach Chip Kelly announced Wednesday. Kelly added that the suspension includes Harris sitting out a minimum of Oregon’s 2011 season opener vs. LSU.

Writing before the news about the suspension had broken, writer JTLight (of SBNation's Oregon site, AddictedToQuack) wrote a lengthy post regarding his thoughts on this matter.  In arguing that Chip Kelly shouldn't suspend Harris, instead leaving any punishment to the legal authories, JTLight stated:

While there's no doubt that Cliff Harris has made some very dumb decisions, I firmly disagree with this assessment. Cliff Harris' traffic history does not (significantly) impact his ability to be a productive member of society, to be a good student, or to be a leader on the football team.

There seems to be this underlying belief that because Cliff Harris broke a law, Chip Kelly must hold him accountable. This is absurd. It is not the job of Chip Kelly to ensure that his players follow the laws of any federal, state, or local government. It is the job of those governments to enforce their laws. Chip Kelly should hold his players to a standard, but that should be his standard, not the standard of the government. It is his job to educate young men, on and off the field. By all accounts, he's done that. The Oregon football team set a GPA record during the fall quarter.

Now, look, everybody here knows that we have a Preferred Nation status with AddictedToQuack.  We all have a lot of respect for their site.  I, personally, have a lot of respect for JTLight, but I must be honest (I must!) when I say that I could not more sharply disagree.  I'm not saying I'm going to drive to Eugene and slap JTLight in the face with a white glove, but that's pretty much only because gas is so expensive.  So, instead I'll just write up my thoughts on what Chip Kelly's role in this is and whether he is living up to those standards.  

Spoiler Alert:  He isn't.

Star-divide

Now, this piece by JTLight was very informative to me.  When I first heard of the Cliff Harris situation, I thought little of it.  Players are people.  And people do stupid things.  Lord knows I have done my fair share of stupid things in life, like applying to Stanford.  What was I thinking??  

I was not aware of the pattern of inappropriate actions taken by Harris, including the myriad driving violations.  The article in JTLight's piece stated that Harris has a active driver's license in neither his home state of California nor his adopted stated of Oregon.  The piece above noted that not only was Harris driving nearly twice as fast as the speed limit allowed (a legal and, in my truly humble opinion, moral violation) on a suspended license (a legal violation), he was also driving with a car rented by an employee of Oregon itself (a potential NCAA violation).  

This situation is a triple whammy of hashtag fail.  And it's not even the first time that he has been busted for driving violations.  Or the second time.  Or potentially even the third!  Look at this:

Harris has these outstanding fines in Oregon Municipal Court, all of which he was found guilty by default for failing to appear in court. Another court official said the fine amounts below would actually be higher now with interest added, after being sent to Professional Credit Service for collections:

 

- $471.25 for Minor in Possession of Liquor (sent to collections 2/8/10)

- $408.75 for Speeding (sent to collections 7/26/10)

- $486.25 for Operating without Driving Privileges (sent to collections 7/26/10)

- $486.25 for Driving Uninsured (sent to collections 7/26/10)

 

These totals are in addition to the $1,575 Harris will likely owe after being cited for driving more than 100 mph with a suspended license Sunday.

 

Fresno Superior Court records in California also show five more outstanding fines that are still in collections totaling $4486. Those fines are for citations dating from December 20, 2008 to March 23, 2010. All but one took place before he arrived at Oregon as a freshman.

 

During his time as a Duck, Harris was cited in Fresno for driving without lights during darkness and driving without a license on March, 23 2010 and has not paid the $993 with an original deadline of June 1, 2010.

 

Ouch.  Just plain honest to goodness ouch.  A  dodecahedron of "That's gotta hoit."  So, when I learned all of these items from the post over at AddictedToQuack, I quickly changed my tune.  

It's true that people do stupid things.  And even the tangled threeway of truly tenacious thick-headedness (Oh, I'm good) described above isn't so bad compared to some of the other NCAA problems in the media...were it merely a one-off incident.  Not only is this part of a pattern of poor decision making from Cliff Harris, it's part of a pattern of poor decision making (to put it generously) at Oregon itself.  

But is it Chip Kelly's job to regulate his players making poor decisions and committing various crimes?  For all the discussion of criminal actions, the definition of lack of institutional control seems to require solely NCAA violations.  

In determining whether there has been a lack of institutional control when a violation of NCAA rules has been

found it is necessary to ascertain what formal institutional policies and procedures were in place at the time

the violation of NCAA rules occurred and whether those policies and procedures, if adequate, were being

monitored and enforced

Hell, you can even violate the rules and still not have a lack of institutional control:

 In a case where proper procedures exist and are appropriately enforced, especially when they result in the

prompt detection, investigation and reporting of the violations in question, there may be no lack of institutional

control although the individual or individuals directly involved may be held responsible.

So, for all the pearl-clutching over face punching, laptop stealing, and fast car driving, it seems that only violations of NCAA rules count here.  And it is really only wanton and continued violations of NCAA rules without schools reporting them that can land a team in hot water.  You can punch as many faces as you want and to the NCAA it might not necessarily matter.  This, by the way, is great to know next time Cal hosts USC!  

But to me, this isn't about the letter of the law for Oregon.  It is about taking a step back and seeing how important a school's reputation can be for so many factors, including donations, and recruiting.  Even if you don't have a technical "lack of institutional control," if people perceive you to have a lack of institutional control, it can have a variety of negative consequences.

Last year, HydroTech and I wrote a lengthy, but hopefully informative piece, about the criminal activities of Oregon football players.  We discussed what Chip Kelly's job really is.

TwistNHook:  I agree that the biggest factor should be the crime committed, but, on the same wavelength, Chip Kelly is not a cop.  It  is not his job to punish Masoli for the damage he did to the fraternity brothers.  That is the cops job.  It is Chip Kelly's job to protect and promote Oregon football, which means showing that they will not tolerate criminality, but also working to rehabilitate the fallen players.

We discussed how running backs coach Ron Gould stated at an alumni event how influential family members can be on the recruit's thought processes.  We discusses how perceptions of criminal activity can negatively influence those family members and the recruits.  We linked to a story about a recruit who was high on Oregon until all of the information about criminal activities started to emerge.  He ended up verballing to Washington earlier this year, actually.  The bottom line is how important a good reputation is for recruiting.

Here, this clear continuation of this perception of lax standards is causing trouble for Oregon.  By allowing Harris to rack up all of these charges without problem, Chip Kelly sent the message that these car citations are not that important.  When it is just one incident, perhaps it is not.  But when your star cornerback is driving 118 on the freeway on a suspended license in an inappropriately rented car, it's going to make the news and it is going to reflect poorly on Oregon.  Interestingly enough, it looks like Kelly might have been keenly aware of these problems previously:

For those who wondered why coaches seemed so hesitant in the fall of 2010 to grant him a starting spot, despite his obvious talents, those incidents may provide some context.

Now, Chip Kelly is in a position where he had to make a statement and Oregon is slightly worse off for the all-important LSU game in 2011.  Had Kelly and his staff taken more serious action upon any of the prior driving citations, as minor as they may seem, it might have helped avoid this major headache now.  It might avoid the bad press.  It might avoid the suspension.  

That, to me, might as well be a lack of institutional control.  Even if it doesn't necessarily involve the specific rules of the NCAA, college football is a game of perception.  And the perception now is that Oregon is making its way to the same field as the USCs and OSUs of the world, if not paying rent for a 1 bedroom condo there already.  Well, they tried to pay rent for that 1 bedroom, but it was given to Reggie Bush first!

Oregon fans don't want to hear that.  They try to draw clear delineations between the serious allegations at OSU/Auburn and what happened at Oregon.  They want to say that nobody gets preferential treatment and that everybody has to earn their place as a team leader.  I know this, because that is exactly what Addicted To Quack writer Takimoto recently wrote:

In Chip Kelly's program, you are not anointed; you must earn your place as a team leader. While it may seem counterintuitive to hand one player the starting job, and another player a captaincy, Coach Kelly knew that Darron Thomas hadn't yet grown into his role as team leader, while Nate Costa garnered the respect of his teammates through his demeanor and work ethic. There aren't stars on a Chip Kelly team; there are just young men, working together to achieve a unified goal. 

Again, we here at CGB have a lot of respect for Takimoto.  His pieces are informative, his writing is crisp, and his girlfriend was in the California Marching Band.  These are all things you want to see in a SBNation writer.  Especially the last one.  Takimoto writes what all fans want to think about their team.  Sure, the Auburns and the USCs of the world are crooked, but not our team.  Our team is different.  Our team is full of great guys!  It's the idyllic daydreams of sports fans believing that their tribe is special and different.  Cal fans are no different in this regard.  We like to think we are special snowflakes enduring a different kind of college football experience that is more pure than all the others.

But the laundry list of inappropriate actions by Oregon football players since Chip Kelly took over is surprising and long:

Jeremiah Masoli - Stole laptop; lied about it

LeGarrette Blount - Punched man on national TV

LaMichael James - Domestic incident with girlfriend.  To be fair, this was a complicated incident with blame on both sides and I would caution that people read the specifics of the incident before jumping to any conclusions.

Kiko Alonso - DUI, then burglary charges

Cliff Harris - Multiple driving violations

That was just off the top of my head.  And this doesn't even include the Will Lyles investigation for street agents receiving money in exchange for high school players.  That could result in a very serious NCAA investigation.

Random fans, be they college football fans or otherwise, won't make such a clear delineation between Oregon and the USCs and OSUs of the world.  They don't make a clear delineation between NCAA violations and legal violations.  Every time that Oregon shows back up in the news for these incidents, it just cements the thought in the average fan on the street that Nike U is now Thug U.   Is it fair?  I don't know, but the real question is does that even matter?

And that is a problem for Kelly.  This must be especially frustrating considering that Kelly actually does punish his players, which is more than can be said for some other football factory schools out there.  So, when JTLight says it is not Kelly's job to regulate violative activities of his players, he is right.  But when he states that Harris' traffic history should not relate to whether or not he plays on the team, I disagree.  We appear to have a fundamental disagreement on the standard applied to Chip Kelly.  Sure, it's great that the team's GPA is doing great.  And winning can often cure all wounds.

But when there is an pattern of continued activities of violating both NCAA regulations and state laws it fosters a perception of lawlessness that no Oregon fan wants associated with its school.  Its Chip Kelly's job to keep those associations away from Oregon.  And, in that regard, even considering that he has levied punishments, he hasn't done his job there.

But, enough about me.  Tell me your thoughts.  What standard should be applied to Chip Kelly?  Has Kelly violated that standard?  Please try to keep your comments respectful.  

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With all due respect to JTLight and Addicted to Quack...

I believe that his, and many others who agree with him on ATQ, comments on what should be done (or shouldn’t in this case) are idiotic at the least. Harris is 650 miles away from his home in Fresno, 650 miles away from his parents and family who keep him in check and make sure he does right. As the head coach, Chip Kelly is the father to Harris in Eugene as well as to the rest of the Oregon players. As the father figure, Kelly has to discipline him and show him that he must take responsibility for his actions. It is irrelevant that it didn’t affect anything to do with school or the NCAA, driving at 118 is extremely reckless, incredibly dangerous, and way over the speed limit. This isn’t even including all the other charges brought up against him, which shows that this isn’t his first time messing up. Coach Kelly should suspend Harris immediately for more than that season opener and show him that it is an honor to play Division 1 football at a top tier university, and not a right. Also, with Oregon’s recent history of off-the-field issues, something must be done to show that consequences will come if there is any more offseason drama.

by LordKdV on Jun 16, 2011 4:10 AM PDT reply actions  

it is an honor to play Division 1 football at a top tier university

But Harris isn’t playing at a top-tier Univeristy. He’s playing at Oregon, a top-tier football program..

I'm thinking of having a little party down in Newport.

by SoCal Oski on Jun 16, 2011 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You’re such a hater.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does it show?

I'm thinking of having a little party down in Newport.

by SoCal Oski on Jun 16, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Mostly because you misspelled “university,” which while normal for Twist counts as a sign of severe agitation for you.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

you mean. it’s not spelled univeristy?

damn my public school education!

I'm thinking of having a little party down in Newport.

by SoCal Oski on Jun 16, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, there’s the whole thing that it’s also the kids’ jobs to be mature adults, now that they’re living away from home and are taking their first step into complete independents. Cliff’s actions may reflect more on how his parents raised him than whether or not Chip’s doing his job.

That said, everyone — the football players, the coaches, assistants, everyone — needs to understand that they are the face of their university and need to act accordingly. Chip needs to be actively punish players who break the law and make Oregon look bad because if he doesn’t, it will hurt their school’s reputation and in turn, their recruiting. It’s not about whether or not the NCAA is going to start investigating them, it’s about maintaining a perception that the school has a handle on its students and that said students will graduate as responsible adults. As this trend at OU continues, I’m sure many parents will begin to think twice about whether or not they want to send their kids to a school where they’ll be surrounded by people who steal, hit women, have no respect for the law, etc. Even if your kid is a perfect angel, his life long friends may all be thugs. This is what’s going to hurt. And that’s probably the hardest part for Chip Kelly, he’s going to have to find a happy medium. There’s nothing wrong with being a players’ coach and making them feel like you’re on their side, that you’re their friend and family. But you don’t want to be Rex Ryan.

by mrjpark on Jun 16, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s clear most Oregon fans are a fan of their football team first and their university second. It’s the only explanation as to why they can disregard morality and integrity so easily. There is absolutely no argument that can be made to let Cliff Harris continue to play without some form of major suspension. He is a disgrace to society and any institution that allows themselves to be represented by him. He doesn’t respect the courts, doesn’t respect the law, and clearly has no respect for anybody but himself. The fact that someone would even want him on their team is a poor reflection of their character.

by TooMuchtoBear on Jun 16, 2011 7:00 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

He might not even have even respect for himself
He doesn’t respect the courts, doesn’t respect the law, and clearly has no respect for anybody but himself.

If Cliff Harris had respect for himself, he wouldn’t put himself in unnecessary danger. Driving a car on a freeway at 118 MPH is not only unsafe, it’s unnecessary, and unintelligent.

The kid clearly appears to be out of control.

by FiatSlug on Jun 16, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

he's quite fast

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pac-12 speed!!!

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup. what BTown85 said

I'm thinking of having a little party down in Newport.

by SoCal Oski on Jun 16, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

At the very least.

I look back at the Blount incident at Boise State, and I see following it a trail of bad acts by Oregon Ducks football players. It’s indicative of a coaching staff that is unwilling to enforce standards of common decency. As a result, the hits keep coming.

What does a player have to do to get dismissed from the team (Jeremiah Masoli notwithstanding)? I’m wondering about Masoli’s dismissal in light of Harris’s reported screw-ups and whether Kelly has the wherewithal to bring bad actors into line.

by FiatSlug on Jun 16, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

For as much as I think Chip Kelley is some sort of black hole for charisma and personality who would rather commit seppuku than say anything complimentary toward an opponent, I have to admire the way he’s dealt with some of the more widely reported duckers antics. Masoli and Blount come to mind immediately.

Suspending Harris after a first offense would be overkill. Not suspending him after a pattern of disregard of the law and public safety is playing SEC coach.

Anyone who would argue that Harris doesn’t deserve some level of discipline by the coach has descended into the pit of sports worship. And, really, I’m not terribly surprised that the motherduckers have sunk to that level. Their need to bask in the reflected glory of their team has been growing for some time – starting with that wholly repulsive d-bag Knight showering the school with money on conditions of access to the football program and influence in the athletic growth. It’s gotten so bad they’ve now taken the torch from USC as the program where football is more important than any other aspect of the university.

However, as to this institutional control thing, I think that may be stretching it a bit. Unless more allegations surface of outside influence on players or programs come about it just seems like the duckers are simply recruiting some low-character guys, and are now having to deal with the fallout.

I'm thinking of having a little party down in Newport.

by SoCal Oski on Jun 16, 2011 7:35 AM PDT reply actions  

D-bag Knight....

Is this because he pays for the Stanford Coach’s salary?

by Quack Patty on Jun 16, 2011 8:06 AM PDT reply actions  

No. It’s because any guy who would put a larger-than life etching of himself on a floor-to-ceiling mirror in a women’s rest room is pretty much the ultimate douche

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by SoCal Oski on Jun 16, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

He also pays Tedford’s salary.

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by AERose on Jun 16, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, we’re not above taking money from d-bags!

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by BearStage on Jun 21, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting write-up, Twist. I can definitely see some of the points that you make, although I don't agree with all of them.

One thing that you fail to mention is that all except one of the violations that occurred in California happened before he was enrolled at UO. So, you can’t really discipline a guy for or take into account violations that occurred before he was even a part of the program.

I think that this was the straw that broke the camel’s back and forced a suspension. You may recall the Ducks’ coaches’ hesitancy to start Harris last season, despite his immense talent. In fact, Nick Alliotti said this about him last season:

He’s not a starter now because he needs to learn to go hard and do the things we ask him to do all the time. I think he’ll get there. That comes across as negative and I don’t really like that. But he’s getting much closer to conforming to what we want. He’s a really good kid and he really cares. He’s getting closer to having a knowledge of what we want and conforming to what he needs to do.

Obviously, this latest incident is a step back as to “doing the things (they) ask him to do all the time.” I think that Duck fans are universally disappointed in Cliff. Speeding at that excess, along with his decision to drive a car that wasn’t rented to him WHILE on a suspended license, is obviously an idiotic thing to do.

I think it’s glaringly apparent that Cliff has a lot of maturing and growing up to do. As I’m sure most of you know, Cliff is a high-energy guy that loves the spotlight. I have a feeling that being suspended for what is widely being called the biggest non-conference game of the season in college football is going to bring Cliff down a notch and make him think about his string of poor decisions. Not being on the field in prime-time on ESPN against a top-5 opponent will do that.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 8:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for your comments, TennesseeQuackAttack. I appreciate that you do see some of the points I made. I tried my hardest to minimizing the possibility of any sort of “OREGON SUCKS, CAL SUCKS, OREGON SUCKS, CAL SUCKS” flame war.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

CAL SUCKS!

/amidoingitright?

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by Duckfanatic10 on Jun 16, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I kind of anticipated that us self-loathing Cal fans would be screaming both “CAL SUCKS” and “OREGON SUCKS” while the Oregon fans wondered how long they’d have to stay before it’d be polite to leave the party.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Darn...

wrong again!

/showsselfout

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by Duckfanatic10 on Jun 16, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's just nasty.

Don’t show yourself and put it “out”.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Duckfanatic10 is learning the ways of CGB!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

We Oregon fans have class and decorum.

We should hold ourselves to a higher standard than you heathens.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think this statement will prove itself false by 3pm eastern.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eastern?

I don’t copy.

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by Duckfanatic10 on Jun 16, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was giving an easier timeline for him since he’s in Tennessee.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, thank you. I cannot understand your foreign time.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

No problem, Bob!

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are just SO lovable, SJhufelt.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is why we heathens don’t even bother pretending we have class nor decorum.

Or pants, for that matter.

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m glad to see I’m in good company.

At least with the pants part.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

And yet you give me grief for wearing a kilt. Anti-kiltist.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not anti-kilt. I’m anti-kilt + pogo stick. And I’m anti-skid marks.

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t own, lease, rent, borrow, or otherwise have in my possession a pogo stick. And I’m clean as a whistle, thank you very much.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do not think, DC, that we have not taken note of how carefully you parsed this denial to include only the present moment. There is no indication that you did not have a pogo stick in your possession and under your control five minutes before you wrote this, or that you would not have said pogo stick back in your possession and under your control five minutes after writing it. Very lawyerly of you.

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

My denial extends to the entirety of my life to date. I cannot yet deny what not has yet happened, but I anticipate that my life will remain pogo-stick free in perpetuity.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you lying now, or were you lying then?

n.b. -- This comment does not constitute official chemical advice.

by sec119 on Jun 16, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make a good point TQA8 distinguishing that 4/5 of the driving offenses committed in Fresno occurred before he was a Duck. I don’t think that it would be reasonable to punish him for those.

Unfortunately, that means that this list did occur while he was a Duck:

- Minor in Possession of Liquor (sent to collections 2/8/10) (Oregon)
- Driving without lights and driving without a license (3/23/10) (Fresno)
- Speeding (sent to collections 7/26/10) (Oregon)
- Operating without Driving Privileges (sent to collections 7/26/10) (Oregon)
- Driving Uninsured (sent to collections 7/26/10) (Oregon)
 
-6/14/11 Driving with suspended license, driving 118mph (Oregon)
-6/15/11 Failed to show up in court (Oregon)

If you group them by date, that’s four separate incidents over a sixteen month span. It’s sad because I think that Chip Kelly and Nick Alliotti have been trying to coach him up. I don’t get the sense that they’ve been trying to do the SEC slap on the wrist/sweep under the carpet deal.

I appreciate your views and comments as a reasonable Ducks fan. Let’s just hope the kid learns from this before he hurts himself or someone else.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think that’s a fair point. And you sort of bring up one of the concerns I had early yesterday.

I wasn’t in favor of suspending him on the basis of his actions on 6/14/11 alone. I also wasn’t in favor of suspending him for a game because I doubt how effective that would be as an actual punishment (In the psychological way). In one sense, I think it could have been too harsh and in another sense, I seriously doubt he would have learned from a suspension alone. He’s had a blatant disregard for traffic violations (or the legal obligations that follow of the violations) – not the most unsavory flaw, but a sign of immaturity at best.

A one game suspension wouldn’t have been effective, and anything more would have been draconian.

Other fans might not like it, trust it, or whatever, but one thing I appreciate about Chip Kelly is that I believe he has some good insight/wisdom on handling punishments. An indefinite suspension with a minimum one game suspension puts the ball in Harris’ hands. He has to show that he’s growing up and that has changed if he ever wants to see the field. There’s is now a direct consequence to his actions where he was able to “avoid” them – (or stave off until his NFL signing bonus).

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly...
Other fans might not like it, trust it, or whatever, but one thing I appreciate about Chip Kelly is that I believe he has some good insight/wisdom on handling punishments.

I agree with JShufelt on this one. I don’t have a problem with the way Chip Kelly has handled discipline and suspensions for the incidents that have drawn attention to his program. It seems, in my opinion, that he has dealt with everything appropriately, especially the James and Blount situations.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Defining" Institutional Control

Let’s face it – “Lack of Institutional Control” is a completely subjective standard that the NCAA has resigned itself to using to punish “naughty” programs. This is a direct result of the NCAA’s lack of ability to investigate misconduct with the efficacy expected of intelligent adults. So let’s not stoop to that level.

Second, let’s not go into kettle and pot territory here. Cal simply isn’t far enough removed from its own NCAA violations, not to mention a slew of player arrests and embarrassing incidents, to start labeling other programs.

Finally, let’s see this situation objectively. The coach of a major 1-A program found a player acting recklessly and illegally and acted to discipline that player as well as investigate any other potential problems. There was no cover-up, no preferential treatment, and no sketchy program behavior. As best as I can tell, that’s a pretty appropriate response from a program that certainly doesn’t seem to have its head in the sand.

I apologize for defending a conference rival so vigorously but I kind of think this article is a half-hearted Twist trolling attempt.

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by slims on Jun 16, 2011 8:15 AM PDT reply actions  

When I troll, I go all in. This was not some sort of half-hearted trolling attempt.

PS I love that Steve Levy story!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m a big fan of the Levy story too. Just proved how much more accurate his arm is than Ayoob’s. I can also imagine the whole bar scene in a movie like Varsity Blue.

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by CalBandGreat on Jun 16, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

With all due respect, Cal hasn’t had a “slew” of arrests or embarrassing incidents. A “slew” denotes large number or quantity which certainly isn’t the case. Florida or Oregon have a slew of arrests. Now I agree that I don’t think LOIC applies here but some teams recruit and coddle “problem” kids who had red flags long before they arrived on campus….If a team brings this type of kid on board, then they are responsible for it. Every team is going to have some recalcitrants be some teams really do have a SLEW of them….and Oregon right now falls into that category….

by Cal_Fan2 on Jun 16, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those four links are not an exclusive list of Cal football arrests and incidents

I respectfully suggest you may be looking at the program through some Rose-colored glasses (no pun intended)

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by slims on Jun 16, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, I"m neither a sunshine pumper or NegaBear…. I pride myself on at least trying to be way more objective then the average fan..and like I said, I don’t think we are innocent and admit we’ve had our share of mistakes, I balk at using the word “slew” to describe our troubles…. Florida with 30 arrests in 5 years is a slew….and comparing Cal to Oregon’s list of arrests and criminal activity in the last couple of years silly……

by Cal_Fan2 on Jun 16, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

True, check the Fulmer Cup standings slims. Not done by Cal fans.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just wanted to point out

One of the arrests linked above is to David Gray’s arrest in 2005. The charges were later dropped against Gray. (As I recall, there may have been a mistaken identity/ownership issue.)

I’ve defended LaMichael James on this site against a rush to judgment and I wanted to do the same for Gray.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

No edit button on the comments, though…

"I wish him nothing but pain in his silly travels especially if they wind up in my octagon. Clearly I have defeated this earthworm with my words — imagine what I would have done with my fire breathing fists."

by slims on Jun 16, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

We’ve beaten to death the issue of a lack of an edit button on this site…

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

And yet, it still lives!

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s must be one of those zombie issues.

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Zombie Baseball!

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by CalBandGreat on Jun 16, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m seeing a theme in your posts today.

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by CalBandGreat on Jun 16, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

They’re very real.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do I have a responsibility to suspend you for this vicious beating attack? Or should I just let the Ohio authorities handle it?

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Please send Natalie Coughlin to mete out the discipline.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

She can discipline me all she wants.

by mrjpark on Jun 17, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, on the robbery issue, one of the players had already been kicked off the team prior to that incident. The other was immediately kicked off the team. No suspensions there.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, those links go back to 2005, 6 years. All the incidents discussed in the original post here happened within the last 2 years, I believe.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude plus in that robbery, while he did steal a laptop, he didn’t intend to keep it so it’s okay.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just to put a loop on a couple of others linked above:

Bernard Hicks was suspended for the first three games of the 2005

The charge against Robert Jordan was dropped, but he was suspended for one game anyway.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Again - not an exclusive list

Just some of my favorites as a Cal fan from my time at Cal… with the exception of the 2008 incident

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by slims on Jun 16, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

you mean “exhaustive.” “exclusive” is actually exactly what the list is: you’ve excluded some other instances. :)

by slaphancock on Jun 16, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I meant exclusive

As in – “Excluding all but what is specified”

Exhaustive works, too

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by slims on Jun 16, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your intentions were not to be “exclusive” but the list is. Thus, “exhaustive” (or “comprehensive”) is the better word choice.

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by California Pete on Jun 16, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only on a Cal site!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Twist is primarily responding to the claim on AtQ that Chip Kelley has no responsibility to take action with respect to this latest incident, and that it would be wrong for the player to be suspended, rather than trying to do some kind of a comparison between the criminals in the two programs. I am not aware of anyone here ever taking the position that Jeff Tedford has no responsibility to try to control the illegal behavior of his players, or that it was or would be wrong for Tedford to discipline players for engaging in illegal behavior. And Tedford has taken very strong actions in all such cases. That being the issue, I don’t see trolling by Twist at all.

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

As I read the post by Twist, all I could get out of all of this was… I read between the lines and there was nothing but a lot of envy, and they wish they all were Ducks, and…

Oh.

Oh god no.

OH MY GOD NO I HAVE BECOME LIKE USC WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

In all seriousness, however, I’d like to briefly defend our fanbase. There are many who would just like to see Cliff stay on the team with no repercussion, but I don’t think that constitutes the majority. I don’t even think that crowd constitutes the majority of the admittedly Cliff-loving AtQ crowd.

I honestly think that if you polled Duck fans, you’d find that most of our community does want to see him punished in some way. When I think of Cliff driving at nearly 120 mph on I-5*, the first thing that comes to my mind is the danger he puts others into on the road. To me, this presents a clear and immediate danger to any other motorist who happens to be out on the road at that time. Honest to god, the first thing that comes to my mind is that he could have endangered my kids, which is especially frightening since I don’t even have kids.

My point is this: I don’t think that Duck fans have completely sold our collective souls to the football gods. Between the comments on the AtQ threads about Cliff, the comments on the various news reports about the story, and the local news reaction pieces about the incident, I’ve become convinced that if anything, an overwhelming majority of our fanbase would rather see some punishment dealt out to Cliff and endure a football setback than auction off our morals for crystal footballs.

Ultimately, I think this is what separates us from the SEC powerhouses referenced in some of the comments — I don’t think that the majority of Oregon fans would be OK with becoming the next “Thug U”.

*By the way, the thing we call “I-5” up here in Oregon has almost nothing in common with the thing you guys call “I-5”. It’s important to remember that not only is the speed limit universally capped in Oregon at 65, but that most Oregonians are evidently living out some sort of anti-Speed movie in which they fear their cars will explode if brought to within 5 miles an hour of the speed limit. It’s slow going here in the land of Ducks and Beavers, and 120 is a far stranger sight here than it would be nearly anywhere in California.

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by ProbablyMonty on Jun 16, 2011 8:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh, and two addenda:

1. I understand that my post might be naive. Please understand that it’s allergy season, and any platitudes or good feelings may be a side effect of the Benadryl. Or the mimosas. Or the barbiturates.

2. In all seriousness, Twist, I want to thank you for dealing carefully with the LaMichael James situation. It’s so easy to call it “domestic abuse,” which is a pretty unfair characterization of the situation; you didn’t do that, and I appreciate that.

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by ProbablyMonty on Jun 16, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, you don’t call it “The I-5” So that’s another difference!

Thanks for the reasonable response. I appreciate it.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love you too, Twist. /benadryl’d

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by ProbablyMonty on Jun 16, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

In LA, it’s “The 5”

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

OH MY GOD NO I HAVE BECOME LIKE USC WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Harrumph.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not a well known fact, but ProbablyMonty is a very successful and legendary football program with excellent academics and has a well respected list of Alumni.

It’s a very sudden and painful change, you know – having a metamorphosis from human to a world-renown private university.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

How very traumatic for him.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s more painful than giving birth, I hear.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the older alumni are having post partum depression.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

(nervous laughter) DC Trojan, what are YOU doing here?

I should have said “Mike Garrett”, not USC. My bad.

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by ProbablyMonty on Jun 16, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

So you aren’t like USC?

I’M SO CONFUSED!

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

They can’t get rid of me here. Which is why I’m not terribly offended by these scurrilous mischaracterizations of an orderly prohahahahhahaha oh well I nearly did it.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Careful. Don’t hurt yourself!

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

fixed
To me, this presents a clear and immediate present danger

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wave of the future!

Just think you can have a WHOLE MOVIE on a disc the same size as your LP records with the added fun of flipping the disc halfway through the film.

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by CalBandGreat on Jun 16, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Truth Needs A Soldier? I bet the person who came up with that tagline was really proud of themselves.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curious, has AtQ polled site visitors about this?

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good idea.

jtlight?

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

ATQ hasn’t. Rob Moseley (Oregon’s beat writer for the local paper) put one up before the suspension was announced. I think they are fairly representative of the fanbase. Only 5% said no punishment at all.

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by jtlight on Jun 16, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Slightly less than the “Boot him off the team” crowd.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but 40% basically want no penalty that would affect his playing time; that isn’t exactly heart warming.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I added it up to 110%.

What’s the margin of error here?

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

110%?

Do Duckies have trouble counting on their webbed toes?

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

5% +slightly higher than 5% + 60% + 40% = slightly higher than 110%.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does it frighten you more that I’ve done calculations directly related to Cal’s energy infrastructure?

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

terrified.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s also an internet poll.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Serious Business

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by CalBandGreat on Jun 16, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don't read ATQ much

So this is probably out of context. But reading the comments on the OP seemed to confirm my hastily-formed opinions of what has happened to the Duck fanbase during their win streak. I hope that if the bears ever have a similar upturn, we wouldn’t do the same.

It is just so absolutely evident that the real issue is hurt feelings about anything that might harm the Ducks chances to win against LSU. There are all kinds of existential arguments that these fans spin in order to justify their knee-jerk reaction to the possibility of losing. My favorite is the one that goes—yes, Harris needs to be punished, but is suspending him the right punishment? Will that teach him a lesson? Wouldn’t it be better to have him run stairs?

I guess I understand the impulse. But as a rabid college sports fan myself, it scares me a little to see the priority of winning overtake the priority of building and teaching character.

by slaphancock on Jun 16, 2011 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

i should note

since I see TennesseeQuackAttack here in the comments, that his/her comments at ATQ were some of the few rational ones.

TQA was one of the few suggesting that 118mph was reckless driving. The responses? No it wasn’t because:
(a) the pavement was dry.
(b) there was little traffic at 4AM.
© the German autobahn!
(d) I drive that fast all the time
(e) there was no “intent” to drive recklessly
(f) he wasn’t charged with reckless driving
(h) his license was suspended, so state laws and laws of physics do not apply in a state of suspension.

I made up the last.

by slaphancock on Jun 16, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

We had an upturn and our fans WERE ridiculous. We just didn’t have many incidents like these to test us, thankfully.

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by zoonews on Jun 16, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Our fans aren’t ridiculous now?

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by yellow fever on Jun 16, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s the afterglow from the entitled, qb-booing ridiculous morons we recently were.

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by zoonews on Jun 16, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Entirely different kind of ridiculous!

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by norcalnick on Jun 16, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

So Oregon isn’t violating lack of institutional control but is violating a lack of institutional perception?

And if Kelly is actually punishing his players compared to other institutions, wouldn’t that drive the trouble makers further away? Wouldn’t he then be doing what he can “to keep those associations away from Oregon?”

If Kelly had kicked every single one of these players off the team for their first impropriety (speeding ticket) does that really preclude or stop the next person from doing something stupid?

Finally, this is a pretty clear contradiction:

By allowing Harris to rack up all of these charges without problem

For those who wondered why coaches seemed so hesitant in the fall of 2010 to grant him a starting spot, despite his obvious talents, those incidents may provide some context.

Obviously Harris was being held back so Kelly wasn’t allowing Harris to rack up these charges without problem.

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for your comments, MattDaddy. I, myself, have a father, so I have a lot of respect your handle.

I used the item quoted above to note that it appears that Kelly had knowledge about some or all of Harris’ incidents. The punishment, if any, was a hesitance to give a starting spot, which is not a major punishment.

All of the fines for his previous incidents are still apparently unpaid months and months later. So, it’s not like Harris stepped up to take care of them. He got his starting spot and didn’t pay any of his fines. And then months later it blew up in his face.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m wondering than, outside of taking away a starting spot, what the punishment should be for unpaid fines and traffic violations and are we sure those things weren’t done to Harris?

It’s kinda easy to arm-chair quarterback the punishments and decisions after the fact. Had Harris not committed this latest transgression would anybody be looking up his past unpaid speeding tickets or suspended license citations? And none of goes to show any lack of institutional control. As a matter of fact because each and every incident has been met with swift and harsh punishment by Kelly it shows just the opposite.

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I kinda of think the “lack institutional control” is silly, and I wish twist hadn’t even mentioned that. But you guys do have a real PR problem that I don’t think Duck fans are being very honest about, if it quacks like a Duck…. You guys have embraced the Thug U attitude at the very least on the recruiting side. More work for Kelly after they come to Eugene.
Goes with the uniforms, the whole package, the image of Oregon Football. This has zero to do with NCAA sanctions.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I argued that they dont actually have a lack of institution control, just a perception fo one.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, but I don’t think that’s even true that they have

a perception fo one
more that they a real problem with some of their players behaving badly.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really want to chime in here, but I don't want to sound like I'm being defensive of the program or any players...

Yes, Oregon has had problems with off-season issues. It is a problem and I have some concern over it. However, in a two year span, there have been other programs with far more legal problems, in a five year span there have been SIGNIFICANTLY more programs with far more legal problems. (Washington State for one) Pittsburgh has/had the most players with the most criminal charges in NCAA football. Boise State even has more than Oregon does. Oregon isn’t even in the top 10. It’s been a tempestuous two years for Oregon, yes. But nobody talks about the other programs – many of them just get brushed off because it’s the status quo in the SEC.

Is there a real problem? Yes.
Do I think it’s overblown? Yes.

In my opinion, Oregon’s perception is worse than Oregon’s record. A rather large part of it is because the most of the violators have been (Or would have been) major contributors for Oregon, and the other large part of it is that Oregon has had success and exposure.

In the last few years, Oregon State has had less but similar number of legal violations as Oregon: But nobody cares.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

HATER.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like whistling past the graveyard to me
Is there a real problem? Yes.
Do I think it’s overblown? Yes.

It’s always overblown until it isn’t.

by FiatSlug on Jun 16, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

5 years eh?

Most people probably look to the two year window because that’s when your head coach became, you know, your head coach. Sort of an instructive time period to look at because he’s still, you know, your head coach.

Although I would love to examine Tom Holmoe’s record, it doesn’t have, you know, any bearing on Tedford’s record.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mentioned a two year span as well.

I understand the perspective and the opinions from people here. I’m not trying to make a point of defense, but simply the case that reality and perception are not in alignment.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

well let's stick with two years then

since the previous three are of very little to no relevance.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chiming in here

just to say we’re arguing about what has to be the least complete, most inaccurate data set I can really imagine.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

and I'm just pointing out

the huge logical hole in going back farther than your current coach to make yourself look better.

“Well, if you look at the last 60 years, that Bill Russell fellow won plenty of NBA titles, maybe playing him at center is all that Lebron needs to capture his first championship.”

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree with that part of it.

Trust me, it’s well covered territory when Husky fans come around to tell us how great they used to be.

I just think that arguing about criminal records between college football programs is silly when all we have to rely upon are bad journalists’ data.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree there is little relevance. But there is a little bit because most of the staff is in tact, and many of the players were still recruited under Bellotti’s watch. I’m not reference Cassanova’s time as head coach here.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok

then replace 60 with 15 and Russell with Shaq.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaq retired.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oy...

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

:)

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You do sound defensive

You love your Ducks, I get that. But it’s when it’s your star players in trouble, it gets more attention, fairly, not unfairly. There’s no nice way to look at this, it sucks for you guys, and for Chip (who BTW is handling the problems well as they come up, but there have been a lot of them recently).
I don’t know if you can, but it’s better to own these problems rather than to say “sure it looks bad, but……” It’s just bad.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree with you.

The but from a cold calculated objective stance, where you see only numbers and no names, the perception is not in a fair alignment with the reality of the still bad situation.

Popularity, exposure and success all contribute to a larger perception than reality. It still doesn’t justify their actions based in reality.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying it doesn't look bad

I’m not even adding a “but” in there either. A lack of institutional control or lack of institutional perception though is ridiculous. Kelly can’t control perception. He can only handle things as they come up. Sure punishments or lack there of, may set a tone with the program, but they guarantee nothing. And I would argue that Kelly has been on the right side of that equation and the problems still haven’t subsided.

What bugs me is when Duck fans care what other programs or fans think. I don’t. Kelly will be held to a standard he sets forth as well as what Duck fans what to see from him. Not what husky or bear or trojan fans want, because they don’t have the best interest of the Ducks at heart.

So writing a post about how a bear fan sees a lack of institutional perception is off base in my opinion.

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

So if you don't care what Golden Bear fans think...

… What the hell are you doing on our forums? Begone back to ATQ, you scallywag!

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Twist invited us.

But he may have mentioned that we needed to leave any scallywaggery back home at AtQ. So apologies there.

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by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yar?

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good grief

We can’t take you anywhere.

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by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I like it here!

It only takes two recs to make my posts green!

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now, now, don’t be a rec ho.

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by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll let you be my rec pimp!

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Recd!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

daisyduck = Venoy Overton?

…too soon?

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Never soon enough

husky jokes are always appropriate

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think us fans acting as pirates is only perpetuating the negative perception of Chip Kelly, Oregon football, and the fans as a whole.

Plundering, thieving, stabbing, and hunting for booty will not be a positive reflection on our program or blog.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why... if this is no longer true, I'll see myself out.
I’d love to hear your thoughts, MattDaddy over at CGB. You make some salient points. I appreciate the fact that you will not agree with me overall, but hope we can have a full and respectful discussion about it.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions

LINK

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

why in the world are you listening to Twist?

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, that was my first mistake

I told it him it wasn’t going to work… guess I was right

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

But you don’t care what we think; so why did you accept the invitation? You just made it clear up above that Ducks are the only appropriate judges of Kelly, and that the very creation of this post on the CGB is “off base” (I happen to agree with that). TwistNHook’s invitation should, by your professed criteria, have been met with a “get lost” on your part.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

it’s because he, like all of us, have such incredible respect for Tw no I can’t finish this sentence.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cause I'm not an asshat

and when a fellow mod (even though there are million of you on here) asks me to bring my points over here, I obliged. Obviously my skepticism was proven right, but that didn’t mean I needed to be a jerk to Twist about his request.

Live and learn I guess.

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think GoldenBear2007 was just joking around

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aren’t we all?

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

My 'chasm filter is off...

I think Spazzy has unnerved me.

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just glad he wasn’t luring people over here with promises of hookers and blow. I hate it when he does that.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You too?

I mean, wut?

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, geez, if he gives it away there won’t be any left for us.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why could I not put two and two together? You're BEARS, for chrissake.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

AMAZING

Bear ftw

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do agree with this:
A lack of institutional control or lack of institutional perception though is ridiculous.

But I’m not twist. But your “Duck Football for Ducks” line of reasoning is silly, every fan of every team cares (to varying degrees to be sure) how their program is perceived. Right now the perception is that the Oregon Football team has many prominent members who behave badly.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't have to agree on this

every fan of every team cares (to varying degrees to be sure) how their program is perceived.

I really don’t. When a fan of another team tells me what he/she thinks of the Ducks, it’s already immediately colored with their own biases. Now the perception of the Ducks is going to be one thing or the other, and I can’t change that. The perception right now is that there are a lot of miscreants on the team. Fair. I get that.

However, I really don’t think Kelly loses much sleep that Bay Area sports writers, or fans in Texas have that perception. He can’t control that. He can only control what he can do, which is to punish bad behavior and try and raise his players the right way. It will be his actions that matter most, and not the perception of others that counts. And even if he does it all right there will still be people that have a negative perception of him and the Ducks. So why worry or care about it?

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I guess you are different than I am, if these actions were performed by Cal players it would really bother me because:
1. The actions themselves are wrong, and/or dangerous.
2. It reflects poorly on the institution.
2 = Caring about how your University is perceived.
3. May cause us problems in the future.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

It might be different for us

For better or for worse (ok for better), Cal is a world renowned school. It carries a bit more weight.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s just mean, I’m sure Oregon fans care just as much.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

We do

and it is mean. Or maybe it’s just super snobby and arrogant.
But hey, we treat Boise State that way, so glass houses, yadda yadda yadda.

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by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Snobby?

To borrow a page from ProbablyMonty “Nooooooooooooooo! We have become ’Furdians!”

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was snobby

I was totally thinking up something clever to say but Daisy kind of trumped me.

Who does poor Boise St. snob down to?

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oregon State

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brown Mackie College?

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need to learn more about this college.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its motto is: “Welcome to a college that’s all about YOU.” What else could you possibly need to know?

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought TwistNHook State was a college all about me! GO FIGHTING DOUBLE BREASTED SUITS!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I hear I thought the school’s motto was “Keep Cal from the Rose Bowl at all costs… Hook em!”

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by CruzinBears on Jun 17, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Milan Institute of Cosmetology?
Although the use of that beautiful Italian city does give it some street cred. I’ll bet students are super surprised when they arrive on campus and realize they are in Boise.

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by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even worse, what if they failed to see this disclaimer in tiny print: “*Esthetician program only,” and only then discovered that they’d have to go to the Bakersfield campus for hair.

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh no doubt, because now they are going to be stuck doing Brazilians all day. You know what I’m talking about sister.

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by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, look at that, CalBear81, another Overlady for your ruling regime!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stanford.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

They try University of Idaho.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of my favorite things is when the Boise St president called them nasty and inebriated fans, so U of I fans made t-shirts that said “Nasty Inebriated Fan”. Frankly I think we should adopt them – I love their chutzpah.

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by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't say their actions didn't bother me, I said other's perception doesn't bother me

1. True
2. Absolutely true (especially to Duck fans)
2 = I want my University to do the right things for the sake of doing the right things. Not because others think it’s right or what they should do. There are plenty of things that would be perceived badly, no matter if they’re right and I’ll defend them even if it negatively effects our perception.
3. True as well.

All of this is to say, I’m glad that Kelly has reacted the way he’s reacted. I think handing out harsh swift punishments is the right thing to do, even if some of my SEC friends laugh when guys miss entire seasons for a single DUI. It’s the right thing.

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen

That’s what makes us the Conference of Champions! (no sarcasm here)

Seriously; thank God we’re not the S.E.C.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen again. I promise never to drive to Berkley

and poison your trees. Or did those all get cut down? I can’t remember who won the treesitter war, but I’m guessing it was The Man.

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by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes! Yes! A Thousand Times Yes!

unless we’re talking for realz; let’s not be Crimson Tide fans.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

As lame as it is, I can’t help but wonder if the Pac-12 would be poorer without it. After all, it’s always good to have a focus for your scorn and contempt.

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by norcalnick on Jun 16, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

An argument of a necessary evil. Interesting.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

flagged

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

rec’d

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like you.

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by CruzinBears on Jun 17, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

RECD!!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The punishment, if any, was a hesitance to give a starting spot, which is not a major punishment.

But if Kelly was only aware of 2-3 violations, would other punishment been fit for the crime?

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the biggest problem is the unpaid aspect of it. If you get a ticket, hey, shit happens, yknow. My wife spaced out and drove through a stop sign and got a ticket a few weeks ago.

When it’s a ticket that relates to driving without a license that indicates that Harris wasn’t just spacing out while driving. He knew he didn’t have a license and went anyway.

And when you factor in the unpaid aspect to it (over months and months and multiple tickets), then the situation gets more dire to me.

JTLight said its Kelly’s job to teach the players. Teaching them to take care of their responsibilities seems like a truly important lesson. While some might scoff and say it’s just a few tickets, not a big deal, I think the fact that Harris seemed to run away from the responsibilties was a pretty big thing.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

When it’s a ticket that relates to driving without a license that indicates that Harris wasn’t just spacing out while driving. He knew he didn’t have a license and went anyway.

I’m not sure if the law is different in California, but having a suspended license is different from having a revoked license. With permission from the DMV, you can drive while having a suspended license.

I agree but my point was that I don’t know how much Kelly knew (at the time of the previous “disciplinary actions”). I once let my brother drive my car because he was sober and I was not – I had no idea he was driving with a suspended license. I flipped when I found out two weeks later – and I was the first person he told.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

The list of priors indicates that he drove without a license in California and then “operated without driving privileges” in Oregon.

Minor in Possession of Liquor (sent to collections 2/8/10) (Oregon)
- Driving without lights and driving without a license (3/23/10) (Fresno)
- Speeding (sent to collections 7/26/10) (Oregon)
- Operating without Driving Privileges (sent to collections 7/26/10) (Oregon)
- Driving Uninsured (sent to collections 7/26/10) (Oregon)

And, again, all of those were sent to collections.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

That isn’t really the important part though. I apologize but I unknowingly went into a semantic argument. I was just making a stupid and unimportant correction that “driving without a license” is not the same as “operating without driving privileges”.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

This does ignore what is, in my view, the most important part: It could be a NCAA violation.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait… what can? The “operating without driving privileges”?

Or that he drove someone else’s a rental car?

The first question shouldn’t be an NCAA violation at all. The second one is a legitimate concern people can have.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

The second one.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, the second one

Being loaned a rental car, by the university, while not having a valid driver’s license? something fishy is going on there.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nevermind, I should have read down more. Thanks for clearing it up below JShufelt.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

It concerns me greatly that I am apparently in agreement with JShufelt.

Have I been eating too many croutons? Waddling while I walk?

Or is this Nike Dri-fit gear just soooo soft and luxurious that it’s affecting my perception of the world?

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been wondering the same thing.

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Maybe you drink the same beer as JShufelt.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I drink any craft beer.

Or do you mean… like from the same bottle?

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t even think of that. But the fact that you did makes me suspicious now.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t Kodiak a dentist? Because I legitimately do have odontophobia…

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Orthodontist.

I also have odontophobia, but I get over it by drinking craft beer before working on patients.

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

The amount of beer it would take me to visit an orthodontist would put me far over the legal driving limit.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Teaching them to take care of their responsibilities seems like a truly important lesson.

And given we have limited knowledge about what was done. What punishment, learning tool would have been best prior to Sunday to impart this important lesson? I still fail to see how this is Kelly not living up to his standard or demonstrating ANY lack of institutional control.

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

1) Was the coaching staff aware of the three prior driving/car incidents?

Unknown. But you would think that they should be aware whenever any of their players breaks a law.

2) Was any punishment meted out for the three prior incidents?
Unknown. I respect keeping it in-house. Without knowing the facts, it’s hard to say whether these incidents were punished appropriately or not.

I think the other part that concerns me is that with three previous car/driving related incidents, and a suspended license, an Oregon employee still rented a car for Cliff Harris. This may look/sound worse than it is. But, I think that it’s fair to ask questions about how and why that was allowed to happen.

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

…an Oregon employee still rented a car for Cliff Harris. This may look/sound worse than it is. But, I think that it’s fair to ask questions about how and why that was allowed to happen.

Some clarity:

Nobody rented a car for Cliff Harris. It was rented for legitimate use by a UO employee. The rest of the story, as I understand it, is she allowed Harris to use the car, for which she was compensated for the value of the one day rental, with cash. There are bank account deposits that confirm this story. The other part I’ve heard is that one of Cliff’s friends showed the employee a valid license.

I have no idea if this is to be considered a violation or not, and if it is, if it is a major or minor violation.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is this where I line up for the fake injury argument?

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 9:32 AM PDT reply actions  

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

-bs!

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

We are legion! We are 15,000 JShufelts strong!

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look to the sideline first, then you’ll find out.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

/cramp

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You poor dear! Let’s stop play for a minute and help you off to the sideline, because that’s the decent thing to do. I hope you feel better!

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have learned much in the way of comedy judo.

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by sec119 on Jun 16, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Takimoto wrote a piece regarding this matter, also:



BREAKING NEWS: THREE DUCKS KILLED IN CAR ACCIDENT is not a headline any Duck fan wants to see, on this site or anywhere else. But that could have blown up Twitter Monday morning had Cliff Harris’ late-night antics gone differently. It was dark and it was late, and at the speed the car was traveling, a crash would have been catastrophic. Let’s first be thankful that nothing truly serious happened. Then we can move on to the real issue: Cliff Harris’ behavior is not deserving of a place on the Oregon football team, and until he straightens himself out, he should stay suspended.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Can you see? Cliff Harris is breaking us (duck fans) apart! We’re splintering! Soon, we’ll have a civil war-. well… a different civil war… well… another different civil war!

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does no one at Oregon remember Steve Prefonaine?

Driving 118mph is incredibly dangerous. If a Cal player is caught driving that fast I hope Tedford sits him for a game or two, even if its his first offense.

by Whiskyrick on Jun 16, 2011 10:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Steve who?

But in all seriousness, I think it’s pretty widely suspected that Pre was impaired in some way when he died. Had Cliff done this while drunk or high, I think the demeanor of the ensuing conversation would be radically different. (Of course, that he did it while sober doesn’t exactly speak well of his judgement.)

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by ProbablyMonty on Jun 16, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stupid fast typer.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair

Pre was driving home from a party, likely had had a few drinks, and was driving on a dark, winding road in a convertible.

It’s similar, but imo not a fair comparison to driving sober down a straight, empty stretch of I-5. Not to say Cliff wasn’t being a boneheaded idiot.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

One thing I'm curious about in this situation

is the probability of observation bias. (I know it’s dangerously close to the HATAZ argument.) Oregon football is a shiny new toy, tends towards the egregious, and so the media are going to swarm to the slightest of its indiscretions. I truly don’t know how our list of criminal activities compares with the average CFB program, but I’m going to bet that it’s within a standard deviation or two.

So I think ‘lack of institutional control’ is painting it with a pretty broad brush. I’m proud of CK for applying justice fairly and equally regardless of a player’s ability. The irksome part of this for me isn’t that Cliff Harris is a recidivist traffic violator and a scofflaw. It’s the employee who gave him the car. That’s the only thing that I’d blame on CK or the institution, and for all I know it is as easily explained by a chick with stardust in her eyes doing a favor for a famous jock.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Haha, that’s a Duck comment worth Rec’ing.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know I only post on AtQ when I'm drunk, right?

It isn’t 11am yet, so I’m still sober.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you practice your magic on patients while inebriated?

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hush up TQA8

HRD is the best doctor in the whole world. I am his #1 fan.

Absurdity is my favorite.

by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like most physicians,

I’m high on my own massive intellect.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

So… you think you’re higher than you actually are?

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you mean you see your own point.

I think…

Now I’ve totally confused myself.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

So happy you aren’t my #1 fan right now!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

But I am. I swear.

Don’t listen to gossip. I am constant and true.

Absurdity is my favorite.

by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Twist has a fan?

Oh dear lord.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, if Stanfurd can have a fan, why can’t Twist?

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because they don't actually have a fan.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

He gave up?

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s me, right?!? RIGHT?!?!

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course it is. You know you’re my favorite.

Absurdity is my favorite.

by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

While there's some good conversation happening on this topic...

There is one aspect that has been overlooked:

But when there is an pattern of continued activities of violating both NCAA regulations and state laws it fosters a perception of lawlessness that no Oregon fan wants associated with its school. Its Chip Kelly’s job to keep those associations away from Oregon. (my emphasis)

I think it is a very dangerous road to go down when you put perception at the forefront rather than the reality of the situation. As I stated in my original post, Chip Kelly’s job is to educate young men on and off the field. It is not his job to try and control the perception of the program, which may or may not have any basis in reality. I know that a lot of Duck fans hate seeing their name dragged through the mud by ESPN, or other blogs, or whoever else, but there’s little you can do to control that.

I still stand behind what I wrote yesterday, but I am fine with Harris’ suspension, because I see Kelly pursuing that goal to help Cliff Harris (and other Oregon players) become the best people (not just players) they can be.

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by jtlight on Jun 16, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

The Oregon football team set a GPA record during the fall quarter.

I didn’t know you could go lower than zero!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I see how it is, another team takes over the conference, and all of a sudden you’re insulting their intelligence instead. That’s fine, okay, I can deal.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

If it makes you feel any better, hating USC wasn’t even my first true love. It was Stanford! They beat us 7 years in a row and your team was being coached by something called a Paul Hackett.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I miss Paul Hackett. Even Tom Holmoe had a winning record against that guy.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I miss Paul Hackett.

I don’t.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

That seems like one of the gravest insults one could provide to an opponent.

“I spit upon your mother’s grave!”

“I hope a Tom Holmoe coached team has a winning record against your team.”

“Woah, let’s not say things we can’t take back now.”

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

[twitch]

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t either!

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

_"_

Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m confused by this gif.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spazzy hates little people. I guess he thinks you are a little person.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t hate little people!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Head football coaches at major programs are more like CEO’s then coaches. And it is ABSOLUTELY their job to control, or to attempt in this case, the perception of the program. Ask Mr Knight if he wants Nike U associated with a bunch of hoodlums and criminals (not that Oregon is that perceived that way currently). Perception is money and money is winning.

by Whiskyrick on Jun 16, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Perception is only important to a point. If Oregon fans start seeing Oregon as lawless or hoodlums, well, that becomes a problem.

If Cal fans or the talking heads on ESPN start seeing Oregon as lawless, well, that doesn’t so much matter, because they weren’t financially supporting Oregon anyway.

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by jtlight on Jun 16, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is how I feel not important to you anymore? I see how it is!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

He wants you to financially support him.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

You have oddly fatalistic viewpoints on a lot of things. Btw cool story: I was driving 160mph on the Bay Bridge last week while completely drunk, weaving in and out of traffic at rush hour in my Lambo, I even hit a few people I think, but then drove away, and the cops didn’t catch me OR cite me for reckless driving, so technically, I wasn’t being reckless!!!!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

To your weird point, if there are off-field standards defined by the coach (there are!) and they are consistently enforced (are they?) then the number of embarrassing incidents should be minimized. That’s Chippy’s responsibility. Is he doing it? Nobody knows. But it’s a valid question given the number of incidents. Nobody is asking him to monitor the admissions office employees in their spare time.

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by zoonews on Jun 16, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good point, zn.

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by sec119 on Jun 16, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is anyone responsible? I don’t understand why chip gets a free pass.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cliff? The other football players that were in the car? The lady who idiotically rented them the car?

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

Chip doesn’t get a free pass, but he also can’t be expected to micromanage a hundred players’ lives in a university of 25,000 kids and thousands of employees.

Chip Kelly isn’t the problem. He isn’t the reason Cliff Harris has racked up nine grand in traffic tickets. Does Jeff Tedford check every incoming recruit’s DMV records?

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

well...

Jeff Tedford’s players don’t get arrested on a biweekly basis, so perhaps that question is, uh, stupid.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does getting arrested by Hot Cops count?

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Biweekly?

Wait a minute, is that the one that means every other week or twice a week? Because I think you’re exaggerating, but I want to know how mad I should be about it.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for settling that.

I think that means I’m less mad than I could have been. BUT STILL PLENTY MAD, MIND YOU.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this licking-too-much-mercury mad, or fumble-at-the-goal-line mad?

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Somewhere between

Cameron-Colvin-mad and Giorgio-Tavecchio-mad.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Straight to the heart!

That one hurt.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would've gone for Michael-Dyer-mad

but I’m not sure Cal has a corollary.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

More of our facepalms are of the coronary variety.

/sighs

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I might have suggested Makkonen slipping in the end zone mad.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bitter about the skid marks, are we?

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, cleanest posterior east of the Mississippi. That Japanese toilet wasn’t cheap, but it means that I sparkle!

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duck Degrees at work again. =( Bi means two.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

It also means Megan Fox, and by all means, I'm cool with that.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sarchasm also at work again.

Thanks for falling in.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

but he also can’t be expected to micromanage a hundred players’ lives

This is true, but it doesn’t matter, the Head Coach always takes the blame in these instances, regardless that it’s impossible for him (or her I guess) to monitor all players all the time.
But I think Oregon fans in general aren’t comfortable with this concept, because they like Chip, and don’t want his reputation besmirched by the actions of his players, but it doesn’t matter – this is the way it works everywhere, Oregon isn’t any different.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

emphasis mine
As I stated in my original post, Chip Kelly’s job is to educate young men on and off the field

Do interstate highways not count as “off the field?”

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would counter-point that suspension does not always equal “education”.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're right

he should just talk to Cliff about the dangers of driving extremely fast, without a license. That chat seems to have worked well the previous 6 times.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s not what I’m saying.

In fact, I was making the argument yesterday that I don’t think a suspension by itself would even be enough to make that change.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think

that given what you guys have told us about him loving the limelight, it’s probably an appropriate message.

Regardless, the vast majority of “punishment” as it pertains to college football involve suspensions of some form, so I would suggest that you’re splitting hairs here

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t agree that I’m splitting hairs. I didn’t know what the “answer to the problem” was yesterday. I think suspension as a punishment wouldn’t have been effective as a determent for his actions. I believe he would have continued his behavior after a one-game suspension.

I think Kelly DID find an answer to the problem by having a one game minimum suspension, followed by an indefinite suspension with length to be determined by Harris’ actions. If he wants to play, he literally has to change his attitude and approach.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

so

you don’t think that the overwhelming standard of punishment, suspensions, was the answer, but you don’t know what the answer is. Ok…

Again, I would suggest that you’re looking to argue for argument’s sake here.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve never found JShufelt to be a particularly argumentative person. I’ve always found JShufelt to be a very reasonable person who makes salient points and is respectful in disagreement.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, I would suggest that you’re looking to argue for argument’s sake here

Pot, kettle, etc.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

psh

I argue that Leinart sucks because I truly believe that. And I would say my claim looks better by the day old man.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The data for his NFL career says as much. Your counterfactual assertion that he was a makeweight in college is good for 15 rounds of “uh-huh! nuh-uh! uh-huh! nuh-uh!” which is entertaining, if unlikely to result in anything other than people leaving a thread while we flail at one another like a couple of Spanish soccer players.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

My hypothesis was:

His lack of arm strength and slow delivery, while not a hindrance in college due to the superior talent surrounding him, would prevent him from achieving success in the NFL. I think that is a pretty solid claim at this point. And since you are at least as willing to argue this as I am (indeed, you alluded to it in this thread first), I would say that your pot, kettle quote is at least as applicable to you, if not more so.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

CGB experiment

Put both of us in an empty room and see who can start an argument first. We can establish a measure – let’s say it’s the rant scale, expressed in “rants” – and see who scores higher. We’ll need a reference point. I hesitate to say that Spazzy’s detonation in this thread might give us a clue as to the basis for the rant equivalent of zero Kelvin, but…

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's a funny claim

“I’m going to start an argument with you by saying you like to argue for argument’s sake…but I don’t!”

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

You two should work up a Vaudeville act.

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re just looking for an excuse to throw rotten tomatoes at us.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I’ve been looking at Excel sheets too long, but I could have sworn that in my own inimitable fashion, I was agreeing with you.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know!

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are we still arguing then? I CAN’T TELL ANY LONGER.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t the whole point of the pot/kettle line that the underlying characteristic is similarly applicable to both parties?

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oy...

see above

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You must be new to these parts

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by TwistNHook on Jun 17, 2011 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If he’d hung out in the DBD more, he’d be properly exposed to my special brand of magic.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite. I’m more self-aware.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 17, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

Spanish soccer players FTW!

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

and

why are we even arguing about this? My point was not about the nature of the punishment; it was to point out that one of the other Js wrote that Chipster’s job is to educate his players on AND OFF the field. I would say that all of these driving incidents constitute an educational moment off the field. I’m not even referencing the particular education or punishment here – I’m simply pointing out that JTL doesn’t think that this incident is even relevant to chip, even though it’s his job to educate his players on and off the field. I’m pointing out that (apparently not completely obvious) contradiction.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to be argumentative for shits-kicks-and-giggles.

I was arguing that a suspension – by itself – likely would not have been effective education for his off-field behaviors.

If it is Chip’s job to educate his players on and off the field – he should do that however he finds to be the most effective, with traditional or standard methods be damned. A lack of suspension does not mean the incident(s) are irrelevant to Chip.

If suspending him for a game actually changes him and provides a “teachable and learning” moment or method, that’s great.

Sorry for the ridiculous comparison, but it’s kind of like a boy frequently sneaking in and getting a cookie, when he finally gets caught he gets a firm a “no-no” from his mother (a traffic ticket). His enjoyment of the cookie, and the fact that he got away with it so many times in the past reinforces that he could keep getting away with it regardless of what his mother said. He’ll keep sneaking and grabbing a cookie. The majority of time he gets the cookie, and only on occasion does he get disrupted by a firm “no-no” from the mother. After getting caught for the 8-9th time, he gets slapped (suspension) on the hand. Yeah it stings, but in his mind he has still gotten away with getting those cookies ALL THOSE OTHER TIMES, a sting on the hand is nothing in comparison to all those delicious cookies he’s eaten. Now Cliff Harris is the Cookie Monster.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but if it were made clear that if it happened again, he would get slapped again, harder, maybe even given a very hard spanking (dismissal), maybe he will change his tune.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Over aversion frequently becomes a reinforcement of behavior. It can be counter-productive or even have unintended consequences.

The kid might actually like the attention that the aversion creates or they grow up to suffer from bulimia.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok...

again my point is solely the contradiction between the thrust of the article (this incident is irrelevant to chip) and the line “Chip Kelly’s job is to educate young men on and off the field”. It seems you want to talk about what the punishment should be, and that’s fine, but it’s irrelevant to the point I was making.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not all or nothing. Chip has responsibilities to his players off the field. But that doesn’t mean that he is responsible for every single thing that a player does off the field.

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by jtlight on Jun 16, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely

this just seems to be a very odd place to draw the line. It is his job to educate his players on AND off the field…just not related to 8K in fees related to 10 incidents, the most recent of which is pretty startling. It seems quite arbitrary to an outsider – scratch that, it seems quite specific, akin to “Chip’s job is to do everything but [insert latest duck trouble with the law]”

And I did not say Chip is “responsible” for “every single thing” a player does off the field. I didn’t say anything. You said that it’s his “job” to educate the players on and off the field…but this one doesn’t count. Cliff Harris’ “interesting” driving record is the hydraulic fracking when it comes to Chip’s education.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’d be way more interesting to discuss things with you if you didn’t constantly put words in peoples mouths.

Is this line I’m creating arbitrary? I guess. I thought Kiko Alonso should have been kicked off the team (he’s still indefinitely suspended), while I thought that Cliff Harris’ traffic violations are of little concern to Kelly, or even his business. And as far as football impact goes, I think losing Alonso will be far more significant than losing Harris.

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by jtlight on Jun 16, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you want CBKWit to put in your mouth, if not words?

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

How am I putting words in your mouth? I’m quoting you. I would say you’re the one putting things in my mouth! See: “But that doesn’t mean that he is responsible for every single thing that a player does off the field.” when I did not remotely say that.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

C’mon, even Butters would’ve given used a header.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was more of a grapheme 69, myself.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it’s got more to do with this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-assert.html?_r=1

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck, and here I thought I was being original posting that in the DBD.

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by AERose on Jun 16, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

(yes, I am aware I am Butters in this metaphor)

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Careful, JT’s starting to look stupid…you might get banned here.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah. As long as everyone stays civil and reasonable, we’re cool.

Generally speaking, it’s been a good discussion.

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

(wasn’t implying CBK would get banned by CGB)

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I obviously don’t care about looking stupid. I mean, have you seen my profile picture!

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by jtlight on Jun 16, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now I’m insulted.

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by jtlight on Jun 16, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Says the man wearing a “Beat WSU” shirt.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

...But you look incredibly cute.

For a UW fan.

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Don’t make me put on my “Beat Cal” shirt.

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by jtlight on Jun 16, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

YOU INHUMAN SARTORIAL MONSTER!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Be At Cal? WHy yes!!!

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The last thing I want to do is argue about who is putting what in each others mouth.

So, bend over.

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by jtlight on Jun 16, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apology accepted

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay. I think I finally see where we aren't talking on the same points.

I guess I’m having difficulty seeing where it was said that the incident was irrelevant to chip.

Meanwhile I’m arguing that education (on and off the field) is directly tied with punishment.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I’m having difficulty seeing where it was said that the incident was irrelevant to chip.

The entire article that JT wrote, with the exception of that line which contradicts it.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure there was even 1 conversation about it, let alone 6?

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The article referenced in the initial story indicated that there was hesitance to give Harris the starting spot and intimated that this was due to the previous violations.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s an interpretation. It could have just been due to his general disposition. Who knows.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was promised a flame war

WHERE’S MY FLAME WAR?!?

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by norcalnick on Jun 16, 2011 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

CAL SUCKS

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NUH-UH WE JUST HAVE INSUFFICIENT HYDRATION TO PREVENT LEG CRAMPS

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by norcalnick on Jun 16, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

U R FAKING

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by zoonews on Jun 16, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I, too, am happy about how reasonable everybody has been. I appreciate that we’ll disagree on things, but let’s do it respectfully and, WHAT THE FUCK AM I TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY WHO ISN’T A CAL FAN IS AN ADOLF BIN STALIN!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

burn it down!

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They riot weird.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they do

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

They riot well.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

They riot weird and well at the same time.

Keeping January 1 open. You know, just in case.
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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

the best one

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

lolololol this is why Canada is awesome, Rishi.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

hongcouver!

by j.lee on Jun 16, 2011 3:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Uh oh.

she’s definitely not into it.

by FiatSlug on Jun 16, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Needs moar upskirt

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Ohio Bear has you covered ^ ^

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by CalBandGreat on Jun 16, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying Oregon fans are delusional

but here’s a comment from the JTLight article (emphasis mine)

And you have pointed out the reason I am not concerned about our program at this point. None of the incidences our players have been involved in have gone beyond "normal highschool/college kid" events that most people whom had friends, were not entirely unpopular and had any sort of life during those years have engaged in. Now, if one of our guys robs someone, rapes a girl, kills someone or something along these lines, it will be different.

Yeah, not like your star, heisman hopeful quarterback did anything like that say, within the last 15 months.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, the main “arguments” I’ve had with ATQ and CC are:

1. Booing injuries is wrong
2. Driving 118 mph is, in fact, dangerous
3. USC had a lack of institutional control

None of these are really stupid arguments, so I haven’t run into the problem you describe!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 16, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Booing injuries is wrong?

You lost me there. Dumb it down a bit for me.

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Booin’ owies is rong.

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ouchie boo = bad

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that was exactly the argument that set people off. I think it was when you called us the cheatingest bunch of cheaters who ever attempted a cheaty cheat. (Incidentally, the Ohio State blog needs some of that Spazzy magic.)

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You’re a lying liar who lies, aren’t you DC?

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I’m cheaty cheater who cheats, didn’t you get Spazzy’s memo?

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not doubt that is true as well, but alone it would not explain the pogo denials.

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

The pogo denials are not lies. So if I were a liar, there would be no denials.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

A liar would lie about this.

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

But if I were to say I was a liar, how could you be sure I was telling the truth?

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

it wasn’t Jared, this was in the comments section. Still, the article on the front page the other day about how Pryor would have been “better” off going to Oregon was showed a similar lack of interest in reality. Really, a star player would have received less preferential treatment at oregon, which is currently under investigation for paying for another star player? Really?

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

which is currently under investigation for paying for another star player?

We are?

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seastrunk?

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

I thought the allegation was that Lyles was paid to bring Seastrunk to UO.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

…paying for

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by zoonews on Jun 16, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok...

so you don’t think paying an agent money to bring a star player is in any way related to preferential treatment and increased benefits?

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't read carefully

As zoonews pointed out above.

But more to your question, it’s related, I suppose.

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by Ohio Bear on Jun 16, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is one of the allegations people have made. Yes. But from what I understand, the NCAA is investigating 7-on-7s, and recruitment services, not Oregon itself. (Yet).

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

basically, it strikes me as quite ironic to say “Player X got in trouble for improper benefits etc, he should have come to Oregon where there is an ongoing investigation regarding improper benefits!”

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not following either story very closely, but isn’t the problem at Ohio State that Pryor et al. received the benefits (tattoos and whatever else) themselves, but in this case, it was a third party, and not the player? There’s no evidence that Seastrunk got any benefits, right?

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

(alleged)

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Seastrunk is the patsy. He knows nothing about anything going on in his immediate vicinity involving his career, the poor thing.

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by zoonews on Jun 16, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that sounds awfully damning when you put it in sarcastic tones like that, but it seems (again, with the disclaimer that I know just the basics that I read when the news came out) that Lyles is well known as an intermediary of some sort, and he does get small fees from universities for information about recruits. I can totally imagine that Seastrunk might not have known if Lyles got a lot extra from Oregon so that he would steer the prized recruit to Eugene. I mean, the whole idea would be to capitalize on the relationship between Lyles and Seastrunk, and if Seastrunk is going to take the guy’s advice about where to go to school, that advice would probably be a lot more effective if it seemed to be given in good faith.

I mean, try to imagine the conversation:


Seastrunk: Gee, Mr. Lyles, I’m having a tough time deciding which of these fine universities to attend. What do you think?
Lyles: Well, I think Oregon’s an up-and-coming program, and they’ve got great new facilities and great support from Nike, and those cool uniforms. I bet you’ll have the best opportunity there.
Seastrunk: You really think so?
Lyles: Nah, I’m just telling you that because they paid me $20 grand.
Seastrunk: Oh, okay. Sounds like you must definitely have my best interests at heart then! I’m going to be a Duck!

Makes a lot more sense if the player is in the dark about the money.

On the other hand, if the player or his family is getting a cut, a la Cam Newton, then it makes more sense for him to have known about it.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, Oregon fans

I’m not saying anything like this happened necessarily. I’m just saying that even if it did, it’s not necessarily the player’s fault.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I follow you completely. I don’t know all the answers, and I think it’s a situation the NCAA SHOULD look into it.

I have my green colored glasses that tell me Oregon didn’t do anything wrong, but I also am willing to let the facts get laid out.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

It actually just got completely hypothetical!!

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well crap.

Chip Kelly doesn’t allow Oregon fans to deal in hypotheticals. We’re going to have to take our ball and go home.

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Don’t get injured on the way out!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

/cramp

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are the wing to our wang, the coffee to our cream. You complete us.

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by zoonews on Jun 16, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ew, I don’t want to do anything to your wang!

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

fair enough

but again, I would say that player x involved in improper benefits, come to oregon where another player may be involved (not necessarily received) proper benefits is ironic. I do not think they are that far apart. Especially considering that Pryor’s handlers received money for him going to OSU, yes?

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a pretty convoluted situation, to be sure. A lot of the roots from the whole thing stems back from when Oregon wanted recruiting information on Adrian Peterson, but no Texas school would grant it because “Peterson was going to a Texan university”. HAH!

Eventually Lyles ended up providing a recruiting service that helped gain access to top players in Texas. Other schools, notably LSU (and to a much lesser extent, Cal) also have paid for his services. The real issue comes down to “Did Lyles provide Oregon a service that granted such a large check”. If the answer is “no”, then it is reasonable to suspect he could have funneled that money to various recruits.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

and considering that oregan paid him 5x more than Cal or LSU did

and, shockingly, Seastrunk ended up at Oregon, I’d say that is a pretty reasonable suspicion.

So, we have that “suspicion”, and then I read about how Pryor would have been better off at Oregon, when is accused of, among other things, the same thing…it is so deliciously ironic.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, but if Oregon is able to demonstrate that it got 5x more “product or (legitimate) service” than Cal or LSU did, it would be okay.

I completely understand your point though.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, I would say that they got infinite more "product"

since Cal and LSU got zero Seastrunks.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s why I put legitimate on there. I wouldn’t call that a legitimate product. (No offense to Mr. ’strunk.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

right

and I would posit that I doubt Oregon received 5 or 6 times as much (what, videos?) “product” than Cal did. 30k is a lot of k for movies. I think most non oregon fans would see a likely correlation between the huge disparity in dollars and huge disparity in Seastrunks.

Moreover, it might others as completely absurd to not acknowledge this outstanding issue in any way, as you suggest that player x, in order to have avoided certain problems, go to Oregon, which is currently under “suspicion” for one of those same problems. That is the lack of grounding in reality that I find so funny.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, to be fair, JShu seems pretty well-grounded in reality.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is my understanding (And to be fair, I’m too lazy to look up and verify this – so I’m going off of memory), that Oregon received full recruit information (Verified “measurables” like 40 times, height, weight, high school, coaches’ name & number) and videos for something like 17 states.

While programs like Cal or LSU might have only gotten regional packages that covered 2-3 states.

I don’t know how much Oregon paid for all of it’s recruiting packages, but most schools pay far more for that information (in total through several services) than what Oregon did through one.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

good to know, thanks.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

22 including Oregon

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by Matt Daddy on Jun 16, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great, nobody said there would be Seastrunk-based math in this thread!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d say that is a pretty reasonable suspicion.

It could also fall into the category of unsubstiated innuendo.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, that’s substantiated fact. When you can produce evidence of a paper trail for Seastrunk that matches your accusation, I will happily concede your point.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

right

but before that was “substantiated fact,” all of us who accepted the original yahoo report were treated much as you are treating me, right now, by, guess what, you and your brethren. Feel free to apologize and admit your error in judgement now (I know, you won’t, there are extenuating circumstances, yada yada yada)

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

budge up in the bonfire, Joan of Arc, we need room for another martyr

It became clear very quickly that Bush’s family took money, and that he obviously benefited. That was a violation of the rules, there’s no question about that. I can argue ad nauseam about the way that the NCAA justified the extent of the sanctions, but not that there was a reason for some sanctions.

When the OJ Mayo allegations came to light, I wrote on CC that if they proved to be true, Garrett should resign. People were not pleased. I think that events since have proved that I was right, but I haven’t responded by crying about how I’m owed apologies.

And, if my memory serves, what set people off was accusations of systematic and deliberate cheating, as opposed to self-interested indolence and wishful thinking. It’s one thing to be right, it’s another to be provocative.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad for you guys that that didn’t happen, it might have made a significant difference in the penalties that were assessed.

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by Cugel on Jun 16, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, it might have. It’s a bit late now though!

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, did they? I know very little about Pryor and OSU except for the allegations about that tats and the uh, vehicle discount program.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe so

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to get into the semantics,

but Shu is right, there is no “ongoing investigation”. They asked for receipts and information regarding payment for recruitment services, that information was provided by CK, the university has stated it did so in compliance with NCAA regulations, and nothing more has come of it.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hear that there will be some sort of expose this summer

similar to the sc one a few years back. But that might just be internet chatter.

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know I'm biased

but I pretty much presume everything is internet chatter at this point. It’s still irritating that every article I’ve read since then has referenced the nonexistent ongoing investigation.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard something like that from SportsbyBrooks, who has stirred the pot about stuff in the past, and when nothing ever materializes, it just disappears and is never mentioned again.

If Oregon has violated any rules, I’ll accept whatever consequences the NCAA dishes out.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

fair enough

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Needs moar denial and isolation, anger, bargaining, and depression.

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by zoonews on Jun 16, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why would the NCAA punish you for Oregon rules violations? That doesn’t seem fair!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I learned from Jesus.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m pretty sure I’m going to hell now.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now?

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we are at CBG, aren't we?

I think his assessment is pretty accurate.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

CGB, Hell, whatever.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not warm enough.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand that, and maybe I’ve missed the memo (It isn’t the first time), but it is my understanding that NCAA isn’t investigating Oregon at the moment. They requested documents from Oregon, which I believe they have given to the NCAA. It’s kind of in some dark void of “Umm… nobody has heard anything outside of perpetual speculation”.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was paid money?

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

He originally said “paying for another star player”, so yeah, that’s a decent characterization of the investigation.

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by ProbablyMonty on Jun 16, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah. Yeah. My mistake!

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Oregon Trail taught me anything, he was paid in beaver pelts and buffalo meat.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You got dysentery!

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad you couldn’t find a picture of a rodent to post.

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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

What’s everyone doing here on a front page post? Shouldn’t we be over at the DBD talking about cricket?

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We’re here to poke at Oregon with a stick.

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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can everyone put their pants on first?

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

What’s your twitter handle? I’ll DM you.

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by CalBandGreat on Jun 16, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ironically, it’s @PeteCarroll

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course, when people DM you, you do nothing. Very droll.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some of us only have pajamas down here in mom’s basement

by Cal_Fan2 on Jun 16, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s a balance to be struck between fixing the individual, maintaining the locker room, and setting the tone for the program. Not an easy job. Many local yokels seem to be focusing just on the first aspect, what’s best for our reckless rascal?, which is noble but not realistic. All three are in consideration. The punishment seems appropriate to us on the first two fronts but we question what it says on the third. Depends entirely on how the team is addressed, which is an unknown. A zero tolerance for shenanigans policy should be levied, ioo. Another story this summer would be embarrassing and damaging.

Looking forward, we WILL feel queasy when his return from suspension is spun as a redemption story by the lesser talented writers in the blogosphere, oh he suddenly learned so much about the world and is serving as an inspiration this season, all hail Coach Fantastic for a victory that won’t appear in the win column. Barf.

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by zoonews on Jun 16, 2011 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought Coach Fantastic was at UCLA.

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chippy Das Wundercoach?

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by zoonews on Jun 16, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

He should not have been suspended. He should have been kicked off.

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by CalLadLal on Jun 16, 2011 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Kicking off to Cliff Harris would be completely stupid and irrational.

No coach in his right mind would do that.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very Creative, Twist
I’m not saying I’m going to drive to Eugene and slap JTLight in the face with a white glove

Gave me a good laugh!

by Cali49a on Jun 16, 2011 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Happy somebody enjoyed this post!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Returning to the initial poll on TwistNHook's post...

… looks like a lot of philosophizing going on ’round these parts.

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by CalBear2007 on Jun 16, 2011 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I always chafe when that happens.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goshdarnit, at the end of the day, I think we're all just similar people who root for different teams that wear different colors.

Let’s all hug it out. Group style.

(Except that TwistNHook guy. He’ll probably try to cop a feel.)

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 8:17 PM PDT reply actions  

If I’m not giving JShufelt a rub down by the end of this group hug something is wrong!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is why you were explicitly not invited, Mr. Hook.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too late! I’m already wrist deep in JShu’s shoulders!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate it when you stop so you can type.

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you move your head so I can really get into this one knot here? ya, there we go, thats good. Thats good!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it a Hentai knot?

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s not a knot, sir, BUT KEEP GOING!

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it read pretty good until that part.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 17, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's a nice idea

But I’m really opposed to touching strangers. Actually, I’m not that excited about touching people I know.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

don't knock masturbation

it’s sex with someone I love

(Woody Allen, not me, I basically hate myself)

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by CBKWit on Jun 16, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have sex with woody allen?

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I’m not buying your “CBKWit is Soon Yi Previn” hypothesis.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if I lowered the price?

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still ambivalent.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't speak Spanish either!

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't speak Spanish either!

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

No puedo hablar espanol tambien!

Perdoname, que?

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 8:37 PM PDT reply actions  

¡Cállate!

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit. I don’t speak German.

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by Kodiak on Jun 16, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

She does NOT speak Spanish either.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 8:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I think we all need to just hug it out.

Bro grabs, guys, bro grabs.

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It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Jun 16, 2011 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

GODDAMMIT I SAID BRO GRABS

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It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Jun 16, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where does this leave me?

Damn you all and your bro hugs! Where is there a chick I can hug? Anyone? Anyone?

Absurdity is my favorite.

by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Today, we are all bros. Join me in a bro grab, lady-bro.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Jun 16, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

What happened to Spazzy's epic rant?

I may not have agreed with much of it, but I have to give him props for putting it out there with complete clarity.

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by DC Trojan on Jun 16, 2011 8:42 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I enjoyed it myself.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I still see it!

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try refreshing the browser. It was there when I was at work about an hour ago. It’s not here at home.

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know what that means...

Screen cap!!!

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you screen cap that whole thread and email the jpegs to me at twistnhook at gmail dot com??

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really? I mean, sure, I can.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

OFY

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Optical Framed Yuppies

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crap… that’s an AtQ Meme…

It's spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-L-I-K-E-A-B-O-O-B-J-O-B"

by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh Fuck You
Simple is best.

Absurdity is my favorite.

by daisyduck on Jun 16, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry, we do joke acronym spell outs here too.

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by norcalnick on Jun 16, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

We’re not so different, you and I! I FEEL SO CLOSE RIGHT NOW!

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by norcalnick on Jun 16, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

OFN I'm not doing it.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

This shatters me.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about just the rant, then?

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

OFY

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 16, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats not nice

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by JShufelt on Jun 16, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it will live on in all of our hearts.

"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.

It was fantastic."
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by AERose on Jun 16, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

That rant got me through some tough times!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was greened in that subthread!

ALL MY WORK HATH GONE FOR NAUGHT

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by HoodRiverDuck on Jun 16, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

For posterity's sake...

… “Some sort of Stanfurdian joke of a [insert object of scorn here]”; beautiful use of a rant.

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