Joanne Boyle To Virginia: Initial Reactions
by norcalnick on Apr 8, 2011 12:41 PM PDT
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PrintIt's still technically possible that this post is premature. I certainly hope it turns out to be. But if the saying about smoke and fire is true, we're all choking on lots and lots of smoke. There are reports from official Virginia area news sources, SBN blogs, and finally a reliable Cal source that Joanne Boyle has moved on. After reports surfaced that Boyle had been hired last Tuesday, Cal fans were given brief hope when Boyle was reached for a statement and said "I am not the Virginia head coach." Of course, it doesn’t take an English major to analyze how little that statement said. It was a true statement on Tuesday while Boyle was presumably contemplating the offer, but it doesn't appear to be a true statement any more.
Boyle’s departure comes at a very fragile time for the women’s basketball program. 2010-11 was easily the most disappointing year of Boyle’s tenure, and it ended with the transfer of DeNesha Stallworth, Cal’s most talented post player. For the first time in 5 years there is uncertainty surrounding the direction and stability of the team, arguably even before Boyle decided to leave.
Sandy Barbour’s task is clear: Find a coach (quickly, if possible) willing and capable of keeping everybody else on board. As rough as last season was, Cal should be a pretty attractive job for a number of candidates. It’s possible that the Bears have the most returning and incoming talent of any open position in the NCAA, but that’s only relevant if the new coach can convince every player – from incoming freshman on up – to recommit to the program.
And just two years later she was offered what every Cal fan had assumed was her dream job. When I heard that Duke had offered her the head coaching position I immediately gave up hope and assumed she was gone. And I wouldn’t have blamed her for a second. How can you pass up your alma mater, the school that taught you how to play and how to coach? And, not to mention, was an NCAA power that has recorded multiple Final Four appearances?
But she stayed, and then she led the team to its first ever Sweet 16, and then she brought in a seven player, top 5 recruiting class. Cal fans were walking on the clouds. Evidently Coach Boyle didn’t need to go to Duke to coach a power program – she was building her own power program in Berkeley!
How can I feel just the slightest bit let down by a coach leaving when I wasn’t bothered when I thought she was gone three years ago? Six years of program building is more than enough – she’s paid her dues in Berkeley and doesn’t owe us anything. For one thing, after turning down Duke you couldn’t help but think that she was committed to Cal for the very long term. Unless UConn or Tennessee came calling she wasn’t going to receive a more attractive offer. Things change quickly, I guess. And leaving this year, after everything that happened? I can’t help but feel like she’s leaving after the first truly tough year she's faced in Berkeley.
Regardless of the exact circumstances of her departure, her legacy will be that of a coach that resurrected a program that was an afterthought. If it wasn't for Joanne Boyle I wouldn't even be here talking about women's basketball - I didn't spend much time following the Bears when they put up year after year of 4-14 Pac-10 records. Four straight NCAA tournaments, a Sweet 16 appearance, an NIT title, actual wins over Stanford, and some of the most exciting, dynamic, admirable stars the program has ever produced: That will be Joanne Boyle's legacy.
My only hope now is that Sandy Barbour can make a hire fully capable of building on that legacy.
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I share your mixed feelings. I am grateful for what Boyle did for the Cal program. But I’m not impressed that she has chosen to leave the first time she ran into real trouble. And I was concerned during this last season how such an apparently talented group of players could seem to just fall apart at the end of the season. The departure of Stallworth, Morris, and other players in the last couple of years has also raised questions for me about Boyle. I really wanted her to stay and try to turn things back around, but if she is no longer committed to building the program at Cal, then this is for the best. I just hope Sandy can find someone who can keep building on the foundation that Boyle started.
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For one thing, after turning down Duke you couldn’t help but think that she was committed to Cal for the very long term. Unless UConn or Tennessee came calling she wasn’t going to receive a more attractive offer. Things change quickly, I guess. And leaving this year, after everything that happened? I can’t help but feel like she’s leaving after the first truly tough year she’s faced in Berkeley.
But I’m not impressed that she has chosen to leave the first time she ran into real trouble.
Yup, that’s how I feel too. I get that this year was probably frustrating for her in a lot of ways, but she’s the captain, so it’s up to her to figure out how to change course and turn things around. Instead, she jumped ship and bailed. Are things really looking that bleak in Berkeley, or what? I can understand wanting a change of scenery, but to leave in this way, unless there’s some external reason, like a relative in need that she wanted to be near or something, this is really disappointing and makes me want to question her fortitude.
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by atomsareenough on Apr 8, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whoops, that first part was also supposed to be a blockquote from nick’s post, of course.
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by atomsareenough on Apr 8, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
On the issue of leaving "the first time she ran into trouble"
The Bear Insider article linked above says this (FWIW)—
Despite Boyle’s success and her recruiting prowess, the future Cavaliers coach hasn’t gone without criticism.
Reports and comments off the record, surfaced after Kelsey Adrian, Casey Morris, and Angelei Aguirre left following the ‘08-’09 season. Rumors also surfaced that players who stayed at Cal for the duration of their careers had a strong disdain for their head coach.
Other criticisms of Boyle included her in-game substitutions, adjustments, and her development of the great talent that she had recruited.
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I meant the first time her team had a really disappointing season. 2009-10 was somewhat disappointing, but I put that down to unfair expectations from the freshman class. And it seemed like that turned around with the WNIT Championship. After that, 2010-11 was a disaster, especially that collapse at the end of the year.
As far as rumors that former players hold her in “disdain,” that may be true, but I would like someone to speak on the record before I accept that.
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I completely dismissed that “rumors” line because it sounds like bullshit. That kind of crap is why I don’t read Bear Insider.
another FWIW…a poster on BI who is NOT prone to hyperbole wrote this… sometimes you have to consider which poster it is…there are also plenty of folk on BI who know what they are talking about…you just have to sift thru the bullshit to get to the pony….
FWIW – I have a friend whose sister was on the team – she graduated last year…She said the players did not get along with Coach Boyle at all and it impacted team chemistry.
FWIW, people shouldn’t repeat (or IMO even blockquote) things they read on the internet without confirmation. Hell, I even confirmed last Saturday’s practice time change before I put it on CGB.
So...
…before I block quote from another site’s front page story (a reputable site, no matter what some us might think of that site’s members/posters) in a comment thread, I need to independently confirm the information? Even if I do not intend to report said information as fact?
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I don’t see a problem with it…by the way, Since I primarily post over at BI, I don’t think it is fair to generalize to the entire population of posters at BI…after all, a message board is much more difficult to police than a blog…I think some posters give some valuable insight…..some others, not so much…
Very possibly.
I mean, at a point we take all reporting (sports, entertainment, political) on some sort of faith, and it just depends on the level of faith you have in different news outlets. I have almost no faith in Bear Insider (mostly from personal experience—the same reason I don’t trust other outlets), so I don’t repeat what they say over there. Just as I don’t repeat what I hear on TMZ, FoxNews.com, or CGB without verification.
That sounds unreasonable.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Apr 8, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
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Exactly. You either independently confirm what you are going to say, or you repeat whatever you want with disclaimers galore, and deal with the repercussions of bad information.
Just above you stated that that is not an either/or. You stated that it shouldn’t even be the latter.
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I think the latter is not worth the trouble. If the “news” really has to be written that way, maybe it shouldn’t be written.
How could any of us independently confirm any of this information? Should we wait until an official pronouncement is made by the school? Has an official announcement even been made by the school on Boyle yet? Is this entire thread in violation of your thought process?
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Seriously, I’m just talking about the rumor-mongering about unhappy players. The hiring has been confirmed by four different media sources, so that is fine. I’m not saying CGB has to personally confirm stuff everywhere in the media, but the crap about unhappy players and/or Facebook status updates should stay on Bear Insider.
You do realize that many BI posters said the same thing to the guy….you make it sound like we all condone this stuff…..honestly, if you can’t separate the wheat from the chaff, you certainly are better staying away. You sound more like you have an axe to grind or you were wronged somehow…..
The problem I have with the forums is that you can’t filter it out. There are plenty of smart people over there (like this poster who came up with an impressively comprehensive list of coaching candidates), but there are also the trolls and rumor mongers, and reading what they have to say is unavoidable, and for me, depressing.
Particularly as a women’s basketball fan, since half the time women’s basketball threads are filled with people who have no respect for the sport and just bash it.
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See, I like that thread
And someone over there is thinking what I’m thinking:
but remember that these are 18-21 year-old college students out there on the court, and it’s not about YOU and demonstrating your power or manhood or whatever
I’m glad that some (or most) in the BI community don’t like those sorts of posts. But the thing that bothers me is the attitude of the Bear Insider community that says rumor, speculation, and Facebook posts are OK to put online. When that sort of thing is done, it’s creepy. These are 17-22 year old people being analyzed and poked and prodded by grown ups. The meddling is bizarre and gives me the willies.
I get there are “scoops” (in the loosest sense of the word) in Facebook and Twitter statuses, but getting that “scoop” involves reposting non-public stuff and repeating rumors. How does that help anyone?
And just like you want to prove my thesis for me, the idea that this is somehow about me,
like you have an axe to grind or you were wronged somehow…..
is the kind of over-personal speculative rumor-mongering bullshit that I am decrying. Oh, and untrue.
I am very happy that none of my Facebook posts are put up here.
It would be so humilating for people to see my comments like “It’s Hailing right now!” or “As Rule Giants Drool!”
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Then why did you generalize to the whole BI board….. I don’t read those other kids FB pages, probably because I’m too old for that…but someone said some of those statements are public because the page is set up that way.. again, most of us don’t condone it and I’d say the majority of posters don’t bash kids…..I’ve asked this question before to 2 mods here and they seem to ignore the question…
Do you know the difference between a blog and a message board?..actually I think you do…but I’ve read tons of both from the SEC to the west coast….I’ll say it again…message boards are much harder to police than blogs …maybe it is the content distribution, the ability to start your own threads on the front page etc….go read Conquest Chronicles and then WeAreSC.com… go read addicted to quack and then educk.com or some of the others..
You’ll notice in each case the message board is so much more vitriolic. I don’t have all the answers but it isn’t a BI phenomenon at all….by the way, it is MY opinion that you overreacted to my thoughts that you had an axe to grind….it was my opinion due to an observation….not some wild eye speculation.. ..I suppose at least we don’t use foul mouth expletives over there like FUCK and SHIT that young kids could see.. either way, I’ve complimented your board and linked many times..in fact, I linked this article today because of some of the good coaching ideas…
However, it seems that some of you have generalized that all BI posters are beneath contempt or not worthy…..such as it is… I’m sorry you feel that way…. I’ll try not bother you guys, link to you or tell others about you anymore….sorry to be a bother or seemingly insulting to you….won’t happen again
It’s not about me or you. I’m sincerely sorry if you don’t like swears, that’s just the way I write online. But I didn’t get personal, you did, by impugning my motivations in criticizing Bear Insider. Why do I need to have some sort of issue in the background when I criticize Bear Insider?
You are quite right about the difference between the front pages of message boards and blogs, but both are able to be moderated. I don’t know why BI is so negative and rumor-centric, maybe that’s just the impression I get from what is brought over to CGB from Bear Insider.
oh..and don’t be so sensitive….writing a response to you on a blog is NOT rumor mongering ….. please look that up….
I can’t help but feel that you’re creating just as much of a false dichotomy between CGB and BI as you accuse Paleodan of doing.
In any case, it’s just a matter of preference. Many people like the message board format, many don’t. If you happen to like CGB’s format, I’d hope that you continue to hang around and post because I think you’re a smart guy. And if you don’t and prefer BI, then that’s fine too.
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Honestly norcalnick, what false dichotomy?…I have never come over her to start trouble..never…I can’t say the same for one of your mods…but I have defended the good posters at BI..that is all I’m doing….I’m not blind..I’ve always admitted that there were guys there that are always negative or trouble makers… I’ve admitted that before…I guess when I see someone generalize to the entire population of BI like was done, maybe I take it personally since I’m one of those posters…I can’t think of ONE time I bashed someone unless I was attacked first…..
Either way, I’ll calm down now but it would be nice of the derision was a bit more selective…..I know all you guys are pretty smart dudes and probably read many boards…. ok, and just for laughs, maybe some should venture out and read the SC board or maybe ShaggyBevo.com for Texas.. they would make BI look like a Sunday School Picnic…
I like BI simply because I started there but many of us read both as primary or secondary….You don’t see me bashing CGB over there… Ok..guess I’m simmered down…I’m just sticking up for the good guys over there…..that is all….would hope that perfection is not the enemy of the good…
I guess when I see someone generalize to the entire population of BI like was done, maybe I take it personally since I’m one of those posters…
I definitely did not mean what I wrote about speculation and rumor mongering to be directed at all the posters on Bear Insider. But, IMO, it is up to the mods and the members of that community to set the tone of what is posted.
Also, ShaggyBevo.com is terrifying and makes babies cry and angels lose their wings.
And don’t let me, a peripheral member of this community, stop you from participating or reposting CGB articles.
oh…and I apologize if you took what I said as an insult…it wasn’t meant to be.. It seemed like you blamed the the whole BI base and I took offense…let’s call it a draw and have a good night….thanks
I think that it is fine to report things from other public websites as long as you blockquote it (to clearly delineate it) provide the link so people can see the original context and note that you are not the one with th einformation.
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Bearinsider
is an awful forum when it’s comes to wbb. It’s actually pretty embarrassing. It’s find to find fault and make constructive criticism with regard to various programs. However, that said, it seems that a small group of wbb posters on Bearinsider.com specialize in bitching and moaning. Also, there are people who come intermittently because they have a personal bone to pick and seem to enjoy spreading rumors, etc.
If I were a coach I would avoid it like the plague. It’s also sad that recruits probably read it. There are a number of other fan forums around the country that offer fans the opportunity to interact and exchange opinions without devolving into petty carping and whining.
Bearinsider does a fine job covering the women’s games. It’s just some of the posters are like broken records and worth avoiding at all costs (unless you want to get frustrated and angry).
As for disdain, I know several former players who think quite highly of Coach Boyle. Go to any successful program in the country and their are players who may not be entirely pleased with their experiences. Not everyone gets to start in D1 basketball. If the players thought Boyle was tough I urge them to try out Geno or Pat or Nikki.
Can’t please all the people all of the time. I regret the way this all went down as I think it could have been handled better by Boyle and UVA, but I do think she changed women’s basketball for the better at Cal. Time to look forward and be optimistic about what the future holds.
also
Tara is not known to be at all cozy with her players….seems to work out just fine for the Cardinal (most of the time).
I agree…but Tara doesn’t have numerous players transferring out…..something is going on to cause this..we may never know but I don’t think it is random… let’s hope we get a fine coach to replace her so we move forward and not backward
Well Geno has had
15 transfers in the past 17 years including one mid-season this year.
Also, let’s face it, a schollie at Stanford is very valuable. A number of the kids there are accepting of the fact they are going to sit on the bench (for the most part or have to wait a couple years to play). They are there because the education is numero uno. With some of the Cal kids I’m not sure that’s the case. We draw from different pools of talent. A public University like Cal, Tenn or UConn sees more transfers than Duke, or Stanford, or Northwestern. Just a fact of life I’m afraid. R
I gotcha…I admit I don’t follow WBB but I do want all Cal Sports to be successful…I guess my concern is when a pattern of behavior develops which is different than what the norm was…..but I’m only going off of what many are saying….I would just love some stability and cohesiveness within and among the ranks……I trust Sandy is making the short list as we speak…but some of the names mentioned below sound interesting, at least to my admittedly naive point of view on this matter…
Geno and Tara also haven’t had their teams go into a meltdown the way Cal did this year. I would love to be as positive as you are, but the series of transfers, combined with the team’s late-season collapse makes me a bit more skeptical.
P.S. I think a scholarship at Cal is pretty valuable. The best public university in the country, and #21 overall is not exactly chopped liver. And with the enormous increases in tuition in recent years, the value of that scholarship has increased dramatically. I hope Cal is recruiting young women who value a Cal education. If not, we’re doing it wrong.
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Oh I think a Cal degree is valuable
that’s not what I meant. As for “collapse” that too happens a lot….Ohio State lost 6 straight (in conference) before righting the ship this season. There was much talk about personality conflicts etc.
Look at the flame war going on various places right now with regard to Tenn and the 2 players leaving Pat’s program (one like our own Brenna Heater left due to nagging injuries). Maryland lost 2 players to transfer after years of NCAA tourney appearances (and NC). The next year (last year) they failed to make the NCAA and ended up losing early in WNIT. This year they were back to NCAA. Rutgers had tons of transfers and seemed to be in free fall….we beat them to open the season. Guess which team made the NCAA tourney this year again? Rutgers….
So I guess I’m just saying that there’s a lot of this going on in programs around the country….not to say it’s good, but an unfortunate fact of life in women’s D1 basketball.
My biggest recommendation is to not recruit players whose parents are overly invested in their kids athletic career. Let them be a student and a basketball player. Most of ‘em aren’t going to play after graduation. Their education is the most important thing. That’s something Cal can offer (in addition to a good IA experience).
Go to any successful program in the country and their are players who may not be entirely pleased with their experiences.
Like, for example, when they don’t get the kind of shoes they want.
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Also, holy crap
Her salary! She’s going to be getting 1 million at UVA. Hey, no wonder she wants to go! Near family, ACC, and a great salary in a place that costs less to live in than the Bay Area!
I think the actual tweet is on twitter (re: 1 million) but it’s mentioned here:
Link: http://womhoops.blogspot.com/2011/04/guru-report-cals-boyle-heading-back.html
LSU paid Nikki Caldwell 900k, which she accepted. UVA had offered 750k to Caldwell so (this part is speculated) they had to pony up and not lose face with Boyle in order to secure her, thus the 1 million.
What a day
Baseball reinstated — feeling happy.
Boyle leaving — feeling sad.
I share CalBear 81’s views. Cal basketball became relevant because of her. Frankly, not since the early 90s when Gooch Foster was still coach had I felt any sort of real optimism about the program. Coach Boyle changed all of that, and for that she should be remembered fondly. But after she turned down the opportunity to coach her alma mater a couple of years ago, I, too, find it disconcerting that she’d now leave Cal just when the fortunes of the program seem to be turning south.
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I’m not worried about Boyle. If she has a better opportunity at Virginia, she should take it. I’m amazed she has stayed for six years. We don’t know what the Duke offer looked like, I bet the one from Virgina is a lot better.
All the transfers are definitely a big question mark on her legacy. I don’t think Boyle did a good job finding women who would be successful at UC Berkeley—when I see where the players went after they transferred, it made me think academics was a big part of the problem.
But I’m REALLY worried about Boyle’s replacement, if we need one. I went to a lot of women’s basketball games from 2000-2005 that were absolutely awful. Cal women’s basketball was terrible for so many years…I don’t want to go back to that status quo. Hopefully Sandy will do another great coaching search, and find someone to fit Cal even better and successfully than Boyle did. Here’s hoping.
Speaking of replacements, do people have any ideas about who they’d like? What other coaches across the country are people impressed with?
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by atomsareenough on Apr 8, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The first person I thought of
was former Boyle assistant Lindsay Gottlieb
Having been part of four successful women’s basketball programs in her previous stops, Gottlieb hardly missed a beat in continuing that success in her first season at UC Santa Barbara. In her first season, 2008-09, Gottlieb led the Gauchos to a 22-10 overall record, a 15-1 mark in the Big West and an NCAA Tournament appearance.
She was named Big West Coach of the Year, leading the Gauchos to the regular season and tournament championships. Gottlieb was the first-ever coach at UCSB to win 20 games in her first season and became one of only seven active coaches nationwide to win 20 games in her first year and also win Coach of the Year honors.
Other firsts for Gottlieb included becoming the first coach in UCSB history to win her first 11 conference games and the first coach in school annals to finish her inaugural season with a winning record. Gottlieb led the Gauchos to their 18th consecutive winning season and the team won at least 20 games for the 12th time in the past 14 years.
Under her tutelage, UCSB ranked in the nation’s top-10 in field goal percentage defense and the top-20 in points allowed per game, while setting a school record in free throw percentage.
Formerly the Associate Head Coach at Cal, Gottlieb became the first coach at UCSB not named Mark French since the 1986-87 season and just the fourth coach in program history.
Gottlieb came to Santa Barbara after spending her previous three seasons as an integral part of the Golden Bears’ staff, where she helped guide the team to an overall record of 68-28 (.708) over that span, helping turn around a previously moribund program that had suffered through 13 consecutive losing seasons before her arrival.
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The second person I thought of
Not that she’d ever come West, but why not a little UConn mojo?
Hartford Coach and former UConn great Jennifer Rizzotti
In 11 years with the University of Hartford head coach Jennifer Rizzotti has built the women’s basketball program into an America East power and a nationally recognized program, winning four regular season championships over the past five years, four tournament championships in eight years, and making five trips to the NCAA Tournament.
Rizzotti’s 2009-10 Hawks won a school record 20 consecutive games leading to a perfect 16-0 record in conference play and the programs first ever national rankings. The Hawks were as high as 19th in the country in the ESPN/USA Today coaches poll and 21st in the nation in the Associated Press poll. The Hawks closed out the regular season and the conference championship with a 27-4 overall record and earned the programs first ever at-large ticket to the NCAA Tournament and a date with the LSU Tigers in the first round.
The Hawks 27 wins in 2009-10 was the fourth time in the last five years the Hawks have amassed 25 or more victories. Rizzotti was honored by her peers as the America East Coach of the Year, the third time she has received the distinction. WBCA All-America nominees Diana Delva and Erica Beverly were named America East Player of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year, respectively. Beverly began her senior season on the prestigious John R. Wooden watch list as one of the top 30 players in the country and Delva closed out her career being named to the ECAC All-Star Second Team.
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The third person (and last so far) I thought of
is Kelly Graves, head coach at Gonzaga and former coach at Saint Mary’s
(Cal connection: former Cal player Teresa Palmisano is the director of basketball operations at Gonzaga)
Kelly Graves has turned Gonzaga University women’s basketball into one of the elite programs in the nation in his 10 years at the helm. The winnngest coach in Bulldog history, led the Bulldogs to a 29-5 record, their unprecedented sixth-straight West Coast Conference Championship and third WCC title in the last four years in 2009-10. Graves guided the Zags to the Sweet Sixteen of the NCAA Tournament for the first time in school history. Gonzaga posted a perfect 14-0 mark in WCC action, only the third program to do so in conference history, and compiled its fifth 20-win season in six seasons.
Graves has now led Gonzaga to postseason action in six of his 10 years at the helm; including three NCAA Tournament appearances. Graves begins the 2010-11 campaign with a 201-114 (.638) record.
The 2009-10 season was one to remember as the Bulldogs ended the season ranked No. 12 in the final ESPN/USA Today Top 25 poll. Gonzaga put together a 20-game winning streak, which included a perfect 14-0 mark in conference play and it’s the third WCC Tournament title. The Zags earned a No. 7 seed in the NCAA Tournament, their highest seed in school history, and defeated No. 10 University of North Carolina and upset No. 2 Texas A&M to advance to the Sweet 16 for the first time in program history. GU’s winning streak and season came to an end with a setback to Xavier University, who also entered the game on the heels of a 20-game win streak, in the Regional Semifinals in Sacramento.
Note that Gonzaga went to the Elite 8 this year, losing to Stanfurd.
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Kelly just signed 10 year extensioin
He ain’t going anywhere. Turned down the UW job.
Frankly, of the three names that came to mind first
The only one that strikes me as someone whom Cal would have a chance to get is Gottlieb.
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I don't think it was academics
I think it had more to do with certain (parental) expectations….and for others it had to do with playing time, nothing more, nothing less.
The Duke offer
was right after Gail got trashed too and Boyle’s played for Gail. There’s probably some loyalty there, not wanting to step into Gail’s shoes and work for Alleva, the Athletic Director, that pretty much pushed Gail out.
I always find it kind of weird when people speculate into someone’s personal decisions like this. Unless she straight up says what her reasons are, who knows? Could be family, could be personal, could be salary, could be a loyalty factor as someone mentioned about the former Duke coach, maybe she just loves Virginia (how could you not after spending time at UR?!), or Charlottesville….there are so many potential reasons. Especially living 3,000 miles from home (something I’ve been doing for years now)….sometimes things just change.
by Missing Barry on Apr 9, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t say I’m all that surprised, but that doesn’t really make it any easier to take. For what ever reason – money, prestige, better chance at success, proximity to her home – she decided that she wanted to leave. At this point I’d just as well wish her the best of luck and thank her for her time than agonize over the whithertos and whyfores.
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Well said
We have a strong foundation now. I believe we can build from there and that Sandy knows enough and has invested enough in this program to make the next step be a good one.
Gottlieb
would be a fantastic choice. She’s a good coach and excellent recruiter who’s also very personable. She would be a prize catch and hopefully would enable us to keep other pieces of the pie (office staff, asst. coach Charmin Smith (who was brought to Cal by Lindsay in the first place), etc.)
Role reversal
This thought just occurred to me.
During Gooch Foster’s 17-year tenure as Cal women’s basketball coach from 1980-1996, Cal went through 5 football coaches (Theder, Kapp, Snyder, Gilbertson, Mariucci).
The next women’s basketball coach at Cal will be the third one since Jeff Tedford became football coach.
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I wouldn't worry about Barbour's ability to find a good successor to Boyle
After all, it was Sandy Barbour who pulled the trigger on firing Caren Horstmeyer and then hiring Joanne Boyle. IIRC, Barbour was hired in the Fall of ’04, Horstmeyer was fired in Spring of ’05, and Boyle was hired soon thereafter.
Sandy Barbour also hired Mike Montgomery, which turned out to be an excellent hire. I’d say that Sandy Barbour knows something about finding an excellent candidate to succeed Joanne Boyle.
If Sandy's been keeping up with CGB.....
….she should have already started looking. Make it fast, keep the talent, maybe get DeNesha to change her mind and be part of a building future.
Give me a job, Sandy !!!!!
I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.
no worries about sandy
One thing I won’t lose any sleep over is our AD’s ability to find quality coaches. Sooner the better, but it will probably turn out well. Tougher with ucla looking too, I suppose.
Middle-aged toothwrangler (HT: Kodiak)
more news (good) on our recruits: http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_17814436
and on the search: http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_17809763
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