Cal Football: Aaron Rodgers, Desmond Bishop, And The Need For Similar Locker Room Leaders
Avinash: Watching Aaron Rodgers and Desmond Bishop win a Super Bowl yesterday (it gets sweeter everytime I say that) reminded me of how important it is to have dominant personalities in the locker room. I've thought for awhile that one of the big reasons Cal football has languished the past few seasons is the inability to find players who can rally the team with their play, their confidence, or their vocal leadership. No matter how talented some of our players may be, no matter how many stars are attached to their names, nothing matters more in competitive sports than having the mental fortitude to battle through tough situations. And there's no doubt Rodgers and Bishop are two of the toughest-minded and hardest-working players to ever suit up in the Jeff Tedford era.
You hear all the anecdotes of how unflappable Rodgers is (particularly how confident he was before the 2004 USC game), how his attitude permeates the teams he plays on, and you realize how much that could have played a part in how well we played as a team. Who else could hold a team together that lost 16 players to injured reserve and yet another three starters in Super Bowl (the Packers number one wide receiver, their number one cornerback, and one of their starting safeties) and win six straight elimination games to become an NFL champion? While I'm not calling the quarterbacks that followed Rodgers mentally weak, they were never quite able to match Rodgers's unquenchable desire for knowledge and self-improvement.
Bishop isn't in quite the same role in Green Bay that he was in Cal, but after years of frustration sitting on the bench in Green Bay, he got his chance and shined. Just like Rodgers, he had a galvanizing attitude on his team in 2006, particularly on defense, when our team bended, bended, bended, but didn't break on defense game after game.
Having guys like that on your team helps forge the DNA for greatness in a football team. I'm not sure Cal has had enough of those guys the past few seasons, and hopefully the recruiting staff is taking that into account when they evaluate the resiliency of our talented but unproven classes.
How do people feel about this; does leadership play a role in our woes as a football team? Do you see an improvement in locker room leadership this season? Who do you think will be the leaders for our team next year?
One of my favorite posts from the original California Golden Blogs was HydroTech's discussion about the lack of leadership from the players explaining the 2007 collapse. Since then, although we had a lot of players with swagger on that team (like Zack Follett, DeSean Jackson and Lavelle Hawkins), they were a bit silent that season as the team started to fall apart and seemed to retreat into themselves instead of getting everyone to rally around each other (a la Desmond Bishop). Justin Forsett was too quiet, Thomas DeCoud was more of a "Actions Speak Louder than Words" guy, Mack was the Field General, and Nate Longshore was never the type of guy who could rally the troops.
You can see that sort of issue with our previous few teams. On too many occasions, when things get tough, no one is standing up to raise the emotional barometer of our team.
In 2008, Follett stepped up as our main defensive vocal leader, and everyone played lights out. Perhaps the best defense of the Tedford era, as a lot of Cal defenders seemed to imitate Follett's swagger. However, there was no such figure on the offense as the quarterback situation deteriorated. Jahvid Best was spectacular, but he's no vocal leader, he's an action man. Alex Mack and Will Ta'ufo'ou were probably the closest anyone got to on-field leadership.
In 2009, when Kevin Riley was clearly the starter, it seemed the offense started getting more swagger and showed resilience in close game (winning four matchups decided by); I give Riley a lot of credit, he handled adversity very well when a lot of fans wanted him pulled, and he rallied his team in many situations, including the Big Game (with Best and Vereen again being the Silent Leaders). However, despite Tepper taking over as the vocal leader of the offense, he could not match it with his play on the field, and the O-line ended up killing our offense.
In 2010, Riley seemed to be assured and finally being the true leader of the team. When he went down, it seemed our offense willpower went with it. No one was confident, no one could step up and lead the way. Vereen, like Best and like Forsett, is a guy who seems to let his play speak for himself. Jones, while talented, lacks that in-your-face mentality. Keenan Allen might have to be a leader, simply because he'll be the most talented player on the field next year. Finally, it seemed no one respected Brock Mansion this season, and he sure couldn't inspire anyone else. The O-line leadership from Guarnero was meh, both in terms of execution and vocal leadership, so they didn't really look too inspired against too many good teams either.
Defensively, both seasons, the dropoff from Follett to Mikey Mo in terms of vocal leadership is probably telling. There were a lot of solid players (Squid and Alualu in 2009, Jordan and Conte in 2010), but these are leaders by example rather than by words; Jordan's more of a fun-loving guy then a leader too, so that might've compounded the problem. It seemed that when our defense started falling behind and the offense couldn't score points, Mohamed couldn't rally them to respond accordingly, especially when the deficit grew beyond two touchdowns (the roll-it-up syndrome Cal football has been plagued by the last two years).
HydroTech: I do remember a few news articles from a year or two ago which talked about the team's (supposed) lack of leadership. The writer talked to Tedford to discuss the issue and Tedford said that he didn't really think that there was a lack of leadership on the team. Instead, Tedford explained that a lot of the kids do think of themselves as leaders, but they aren't really vocal guys when it comes to expressing that leadership. They are more of a "lead by example" kind of person.
The article then went on to discuss whether Tedford tries to push those silent leaders into being more vocal, and Tedford says he doesn't. Tedford explained that he doesn't want to push his kids to be something that they're not, and not comfortable doing. Thus, if the kid feels comfortable being vocal and loud, then so be it. Otherwise, no biggie, let the kid do his thing and hopefully his actions will lead the others.
I talked about those types of leaders in that 2007 Leadership article I wrote. I called them "silent leaders." Here's what I said about them: "these guys are the ones that don’t talk and if they do, rarely. They lead by actions but they don’t quite have that aura, or confidence and energy inspiring personality or emotion that gets teammates going."
I still hold the same opinion about those types of players. Having those guys is better than having none, but the inspiration and swagger provided by those "silent leaders" is small and incomparable to the inspiration and swagger provided by more vocal leaders. I called those more vocal leaders the "Fiery Emotional Cocky Leader," and the "Fiery Emotional Vocally Inspiring Leaders." These two types of leaders aren't afraid to talk, and be that guy rallying the troops -- whether it be by talking trash to the other team (Fiery Emotional Cocky Leader) or by rallying their own team (Fiery Emotional Vocally Inspiring Leaders).
So while Tedford may think that there isn't a lack of leaders on the team, I think it may be fair to say that there perhaps aren't enough vocally inspiring teammates like the two types I mentioned above. Teams need these kinds of leaders when they are facing adversity or defeat. Those guys have an effect on their teammates. They can inspire teammates to play better, to get back into the game, and get fired up.
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It is very important
especially if you don’t have a galvanizing or motivating coach to spark the team. I may be incorrect, but Tedford doesn’t seem like that sort of coach so maybe that’s what we’ve been missing?
Samuels said. "That last-minute shot at halftime sums it up. Shooting off one leg? C'mon, man."
If the Coach is not the rah-rah type, it creates the opportunity for players on the team to step up and show the type of leadership that always galvanizes men to a cause. The Coach needs to select players on each side of the ball—that have that special gift within them to lead men. In every group, there is always someone who steps forward, and some do it better than others, and are very special, memorable people.
This roundtable post, done very well by Avi, was apparently running a bit long and so it was split into two posts. It appears that my contributions to the post were placed in part 2 (to be run soon, DONT CHANGE THAT CHANNEL).
I wanted to reiterate the points I made there, which I think are relevant to this post, also. None of us can pass informed judgment regarding the relative merits of player or coach leadership. We only get bits and pieces from the field of how the players are interacting. We respond to the more verbal guys, beating their chests and screaming. However, that does not mean they are better leaders, especially in the great volume of moments away from the field when the leadership i s just as important.
We perceive Aaron Rodgers and Desmond Bishop to be better leaders, because their teams won and because people tell us they are. However, we do not have sufficient evidence to really make that justification in my view.
I appreciate that we are having this discussion, because it is one that we have often on this website. I look forward to people’s responses and would not want to dissuade anybody from commenting on this topic. However, I just wanted to be clear that my views on this matter might differ somewhat from others.
Either way, great win last night for Cal! Biggest win for Cal in years! GO BEARS!
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Agreed
I would not have put Rogers into the category of great leaders based on what little pieces I viewed from the outside. Last week, on the verge of leading his team to SB victory, the stories came out. Otherwise, I remember him as an amazing qb with a nice demeanor, but not a great leader.
Bishop, you would assume him to be a strong leader based on his monstrous hits, but he was a JC guy, so you could have told me that he wasn’t one of the leaders on defense, I’d believe you.
I have no idea how much of a role leadership provides. I’m not saying it doesn’t make a valuable contribution, my biggest problem with it is I think most people think they know a lot more than they do on the topic. Most of the time I see people discuss “intangible” ideas like leadership, it strikes me as almost entirely hindsight based. A less successful than expected season = lack of leadership, a more successful than expected season = good leadership, and I’m extremely skeptical there’s any predictive value whatsoever in those evaluations, which basically means it’s a crock of shit. Especially given the lack of information we, as fans, have. So overall, it’s not so much that I don’t believe in intangible qualities like leadership, as much as I just don’t believe in people providing analysis as to its actual impact in a given situation.
That said, I am a firm believer in hard work. Give me the guy that shows up early, leaves late, and outworks his peers every time….
“…I am a firm believer in hard work. Give me the guy that shows up early, leaves late, and outworks his peers every timeā¦. Missing Barry: it takes good leadership to create the environment where people show up early, leave late, and outwork their peers every time. Get it?
I think that part of being a leader is leading by example. Being the first in the weight room. Being the last to leave.
I think that is true. However, I don’t think we have sufficient information to determine who is leading by example in a private arena such as the locker room.
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Based on anecdotes from other players and coaches we’ve heard the past few weeks on Rodgers and Bishop (check the Bear Insider article I linked to in the first paragraph), that gives us a few hints into the work ethics of the two Super Bowl champs. I think there’s plenty of evidence as to who steps to the top.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 7, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Most people are followers, even incredibly talented football players; yet, they intuitively look to someone to “lead” them. Most do not want to lead because that special person becomes responsible for everyone on that team, not just himself, etc., etc. In any successful endeavor, there is only one leader; the rest are followers. Rodgers is the leader of the GBP team; without him, no Super Bowl Championship. And, as long as he remains “uncorrupted,” by life’s many temptations, he will continue to retain the gravitas that allow grown men to follow him.
The nice guy syndrome
I totally agree with the analysis here – not sure about Bishop, but Rodgers elevated the level of the team unlike anyone else during Tedford’s time at Cal. Back then, we didn’t have highly ranked recruiting classes, but we still managed to outperform almost everyone we played by a handy margin. Rodgers was/is a borderline cocky guy, and I don’t think anyone would describe him as a “nice” guy (I don’t doubt that he is a good person, but I’m talking about his attitude on the football field).
I always have this at the back of my mind when I hear that we have recruited yet another “pleasant, team-player” personality. Nothing wrong with having incredibly talented folks on the team, but I really wish we could get some players (especially QBs) who are leaders, and not just talented followers.
And how much of that “elevating the level of the team” was from some sort of special leadership trait, as opposed to him being a really freaking good player at the most important position on the field? If he was just as talented a QB but had a different personality, would the results have been different? Better or worse? How do you know?
by Missing Barry on Feb 7, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Not really sure it's an attitude thing
Rodgers by all accounts is one of the most accommodating and nicest quarterbacks out there. You never see him yelling at his teammates or looking disgusted at anyone else. It’s his confidence and work ethic that carries him. It’s unshakable.
And again, leaders are an organic and random thing; you never know who will step up until you see them play. I think we’ll see those guys emerge over the next few years. Personally, I think we’d be fine if we just had guys who displayed the work ethic of a Rodgers or a Bishop; not enough players on these past few teams took football seriously enough.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 7, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Candidates
Kendricks and Cattouse on defense.
But really no one on offense…. Marvin? Mitchell? Anthony? they are the only key senior players and they all seem to be quiet.
Is it fair to equate “being quite” with “lack of leadership”?
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well, i didnt really mean quiet = lack of leadership, but i was just trying to figure out who actually is a leader right now on the team. I just cant image or visualize them being that type in the locker toom.
Reminds me of an article during pre-season camp in 2009, about Ezefff. How he was quiet but when he spoke out, it was very influencial. Everyone listened cuz they respected him. Too bad it didnt translate onto the field because his play regressed due to inability to practice that year.
Recruiting "Leaders"
Seems like a pretty tough nut to crack. In many instances, finding out which kids are leaders is like finding out whether Schroedinger’s Cat is still alive: you really don’t know until you need to know.
Kids that are “leaders” in HS may not end up being so in college. Different team dynamics, personalities, chemistry, pressures, etc all can either spur latent leadership or quash existing leadership.
What seems to be the case is that the character kids – the ones who realize that school is important and have a good humility about them – usually end up being the ones that can assume the leadership role. But then, that’s no guarantee either. After all, just because Aristotle is a Greek and all Greeks are men doesn’t make all me Aristotle.
These great team leaders are rare by definition, otherwise every team would be full of them. Hopefully we’ve got one or two of them in the lockerroom now. But I doubt very much that you can tell which kids will end up being the leaders when recruiting them.
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Yep. You can’t tell. It just happens.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 7, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Field General
Football, by design, is a fractured and stuttering sport. The units are often segregated on the sidelines, and spend, on average, only 3.3% of a broadcast actually playing football (numbers massaged from a year-old WSJ article breaking down playing time in NFL games – i think it’s reasonable enough to apply those results to the college game, excluding striped-ass-ape-crazy outliers like the Ducks). Having not played college or professional football (or high school, for that matter), i can’t address whether there’s some sampling bias, but broadcasters will find it notable to point out and replay cross-unit diplomacy when, say, a quarterback addresses the running backs after some unsuccessful series.
This suggests to me that a vocal leader – a field general – is vital, more so than in sports that have very small teams (basketball), very little downtime (soccer), and very little need for integrative teamwork (baseball). This isn’t to minimize the role of locker-room gravitas, but sports contests are won by preparation during the week and execution on the weekend. There’s little that makes me sadder than watching a team that doesn’t seem excited to strive, if not for victory, then at least for self-respect.
To summarize by suspect analogy, football teams are highly balkanized, and a Marshall Tito-like strongman is necessary to pull those disparate elements together to produce that engineering marvel, the Yugo.
by Baha'i Men on Feb 7, 2011 10:17 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
1. I believe in sports leadership. Leaders in sports, particularly physically aggressive ones like football and basketball, are important to motivate teammates to train, perform, and adjust in performance. Players, young players in particular, frequently need to be pressed to excel and to stay on the edge of effort. I think the risk of injury by playing football at this level requires some temporary subversion of usual human defense mechanisms, and just as soldiers going into battle need to be inspired to face danger, players need to be inspired to play at the high level of aggression to win. This is not chess or cross-country.
2. I think leadership is also related to ability and clutch performance. I think they are related but not identical. Leaders are usually the best performers and are usually the ones teammates look to come through in the clutch. There are examples of players who are not the team’s star assuming leadership roles, but this seems to me usually guys who can fire up the team trough a good speech (see for example this rouser by James Bethea in 2003: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_fShwQlANc) which is important but not the same as setting the tone for a whole team for a whole season. Simply put, if the best player is not putting in the extra time it is harder for the rest of the team. If the best player is not calling out laggards, it is harder for criticism to take hold.
3. Missing Barry and the empiricists can give us the evidence on clutch. Having watched Michael Jordan in his prime, I believe in it. Similarly, I think leadership is as good a name to give anything to describe why one similarly talented team beats another. I think Cal basketball could have used more of whatever that is to win on Saturday, although it is impossible to fault any of the players individually (They all played great, but they made the little mistakes at the end that cost the team the W. You’d like to think a leader would have asserted himself and made the play or inspired the play that made the difference.)
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Similarly, I think leadership is as good a name to give anything to describe why one similarly talented team beats another.
I prefer “luck”
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You and the empiricist’s both, if I understand them correctly.
I don’t buy it. It does not explain my life experience, and in particular does not explain well enough why some people and teams win consistently. For example, Michael Jordan was the best player I ever saw in basketball. He was not necessarily the most talented, and he was not orders of magnitude more talented than many others. His team was filled with some good but not great players. But some combination of scheme, training, execution, and will-to-win made them a dynasty, beyond their skill level. I think great players harness those elements under “leadership”.
On the other hand, all I think it is going to take for Brandon Smith to be an 80% free throw shooter is more repetition and focus. His stroke is good, but half the time it seems to me he is just throwing the ball up there to what will happen.
Jason Hafemeister
sorry, nothing personal.
Obviously, to play in the NBA you are in the very elite. And these guys were both amazing athletes. But I also think they were players with real limitations, only achieving success when they were fit in a specific subordinate role. I think that was exemplified by both when the played without Jordan, good but not great. Jordan even in his 40s was carrying the team on his back.
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I’m sorry, but Scottie Pippen was a great, great player. He was the good doctor to MJ’s bad doctor on those title teams.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 7, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
The Bulls were quite successful for the year and a halfish without Jordan that Pippen was running things….
by Missing Barry on Feb 7, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, Hakeem Olajuwon thinks so too.
Pippen was a great player, no question. But that doesn’t mean that Jordan didn’t take that team to another level.
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We’re arguing about the difference between a successful and an unsuccessful team here, not a title contender and a champion. The dropoff from Jordan to Pippen was only marginal.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 8, 2011 2:07 AM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure you add the greatest player ever to any team and he takes them to another level. I’m not even sure what we’re debating?
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2011 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t see a reason why leadership and luck can’t essentially be the same thing. When I think of luck, I think of random variation. Luck is the end outcome of everything that produces random variation. An intangible, by definition, is something we can’t measure, so it gets thrown into that whole stew of factors that produce random variation – things we can’t isolate individually, but do have an impact. Seems reasonable enough to me to think leadership is one of those things that matters, and gets thrown into random variation. My biggest problem is by being intangible, leadership is unmeasurable, and in my opinion, mostly unknowable (maybe you can see it in hindsight, but most of the time I don’t think you can predict it ahead of time), and I don’t like concerning myself with things like that. :)
by Missing Barry on Feb 7, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Missing Barry says: "When I think of Luck, I think of random variation."
Maybe you. But when I think of Luck I think of “Derp”

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by SoCal Oski on Feb 7, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
when I think of leadership I think of consistent success or over-performance, particularly when talent levels are comparable. I think the challenge is distinguising ability from leadership.
If there is lack of consistency, then it starts to look more like luck.
I want to hear what you have to say about clutch!
Jason Hafemeister
I honestly don’t know much of anything about clutch for football. I know plenty about it for baseball and basketball, though! General rundown: in baseball, it only exists in small levels, small enough that you should basically assume everyone is the same player in the clutch as they are normally, until you have something like 10+ years of data showing otherwise (and even then, who knows if whatever clutch ability they have is still present or not?!). In basketball, it’s a trickier subject, especially since teams often change their strategy in the clutch (and honestly, it’s often for the worst). The perfect example is Kobe, who everyone credits as some super clutch player. The thing with Kobe is I have no idea if he’s “clutch” or not in the sense of whether he’s more likely to hit a given shot or not in a clutch situation, but I can tell you his clutch performance, contrary to popular wisdom, hasn’t been very good, and there’s a simple explanation why; He takes lots of long, two point jumpers in those situations, and those are the worst shots in basketball. The important thing he highlights is how it’s a tricky subject – between the limited sample sizes we have, and the changes of strategy that may or may not be directly attributable to the player, we don’t get very good data on it. I don’t doubt that in general, the situation has an effect on a players mentality (which then has an effect on performance). I just don’t know what that effect is, and definitely can’t predict it for any given situation….
by Missing Barry on Feb 7, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I generally agree with your analysis, but I disagree completely with your application of it to the Cal basketball game on Saturday. It’s possible to have all those characteristics at play and still lose. Sometimes shots just rim out, and if you’re playing a better team, a couple of 50/50 plays going the wrong way can be the difference in the game.
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by atomsareenough on Feb 7, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Anyway, based on what I saw, we had PLENTY of leadership out there. That’s why it was a close game that went to 3 overtimes.
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by atomsareenough on Feb 7, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
I think the guys played great and I was very proud of them. In particular, I was proud how they did not fold in the third OT when they fell behind – they could have had plenty of excuses but kept going.
I think the difference may lie in how much talent you think the team has. If they pushed themselves beyond their ability to hand with a much better team – credit leadership and the other things we hold dear. If they had comparable talent, then something is lacking to get them over the top in the close losses they have suffered this year.
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This is not chess or cross-country.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 7, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
I know, and I was a cross-country runner as a boy and never played anything beyond pick-up football!
Actually, I think one of the biggest differences between cross-country and football is that game day fired-upness (copywrite pending) is very important for football but probably damaging for cross-country. You can only run as fast as you have the ability and training; I don’t think you can pull an amazing performance out of sheer willpower. Willpower is important to get a maximum performance, but you are not going to all of a sudden run at the front if you haven’t done it before. In fact you are more likely to blow up and underperform if you are too psyched up. (There is a good vignette on this in Chris Lear’s book on Mark Wetmore and the Colorado cross country team: Run with the Buffaloes.) In contrast, a full energy effort, and reckless abandon, can make a big difference in a sport like football.
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Yeah, and with distance running, I can imagine if you don’t pace yourself because you’re excited, you could tire quickly and run out of gas by the end.
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by atomsareenough on Feb 7, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
“OKAY TEAM JUST REMEMBER WHEN THOSE LAST 2KM COME, I WANT YOU TO PUT EXTRA FIRE IN YOUR CAREFUL, MEASURED PACING!”
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 7, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I did xc for four years in high school and disagree with your assessment of the role of leadership there.
Ps reckless abandon can be terrible for football. Does nobody remember the Nevada game?
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No. The answer is unequivocally no, not a single person remembers the Nevada game.
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We played Nevada? The team that beat Boise State? Cool!
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by atomsareenough on Feb 7, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
What About Lynch?
What about Lynch, I thought he was the most energizing player. At least he seemed to be having some of the most fun on the field.
How do you explain
matt leinart’s college success?
Cheating!
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by atomsareenough on Feb 7, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
In 2011
I expect Cattouse to be the vocal leader of the defense. On the offensive side of the ball, I’m not so sure. I’m hoping someone steps up.
Avi is spot on
The best leader the offense had since AR was Steve Levy. Not the most talented guy on the field, but he willed the team to wins in the Big Game and Las Vegas Bowl. With him on the field, the team expected to win. You need talent to win, but leadership is vastly underrated.
Remember the quote attributed to Bear Byrant. “First, I’ll beat your’uns with my’uns. Then we’ll switch and I’ll beat my’uns with your’uns”. Leadership is the intangible that achieves the difference.
How about life imprisonment?
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by atomsareenough on Feb 7, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Sometimes execution is the standard for leadership.
Rodgers wouldn’t get the respect from his football peers if he wasn’t such a ruthless tactician.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 7, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
It isn't like the staff has not tried
I noted much of this article’s point to elaborate on just how excited I was about a week after Chris Martin gave his verbal for us last year and began recruiting in earnest, not just talking the talk, but being forward enough to lure in other recruits drawn to his personality and aura.
It is cliche how one person can change a basketball team dramatically (being only 5 on the court), but I think few people realize how important one person can be to a football team. It doesn’t even have to be a skill position, though clearly the QB’s role makes personality that much more important. A guy who never plays can have huge impact by merely saying (or not saying, maybe just a nod) the right thing to the right guy at the right time. Confidence breeds confidence.
It’s not just a matter of believing you can do something such that others believe it too. I think it is more impactful when you find those people who make others believe in themselves (like – looking at someone such that they know you believe in them). Most good coaches are like this. When you get a player like this, a “WE are going to do this” over an “I can do this” player, you have something special.
I do wonder what would have been with Martin, especially on top of the defensive recruiting going on, damn.
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Like I said below
I don’t want to blame the coaching staff. You can evaluate tape and academics and how they’ll fit into Cal all the same, but you can’t evaluate work ethic or adjustment to the Cal lifestyle until they get here. Bishop and Rodgers were two of the guys who embraced it (Alex Mack, Tyson Alualu, Brendon Mebane also come to mind).
In that case, it’s just luck with finding the right players who can rally the team through tough times.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 7, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not 100% luck. I mean, when you’re out on the recruiting trail, I’m sure you get some sense of the guy’s character based on talking to him, talking to his coaches or his teammates, meeting his family, etc…
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by atomsareenough on Feb 7, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Not 100%. But how a player performs, practices and acts in high school isn’t necessarily a predictor for how they’ll play in college.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 7, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, it isn’t necessarily, but it probably correlates pretty well. Does he take instruction well? Does he have good habits? Does he work hard in the gym? Is he focused in practice? Or is he just skating by on innate ability? I imagine that based on the number of visits and conversations the coaches have with a recruit before signing day, they might have a decent idea. Obviously, when a kid comes to Berkeley, it’s a new environment with new freedom and distractions, etc… so anything can happen, but I think with the experience that Tedford and other coaches have, they should be able to pick good kids that would work out well at Cal.
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by atomsareenough on Feb 7, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to point out that I'm not indicting our coaches for not finding guys who can be locker room catalysts
Finding players like that isn’t easy, and it’s often a crapshoot. You never know how hard a player is going to work until they get here, or whether they will stay dedicated to football. You never know how well a player can inspire others until you see them in action, until you read the quotes by fellow teammates (look at how former Cal players talked about Rodgers and how current Packers talk about him now, and you can just tell that he has the characteristics of a great leader).
I’m just observing that teams with strong leadership who can back up their confidence with execution generally do not lose. Think about teams led by Rodgers, or teams led by guys like Bishop and Marshawn. We were only blown out maybe once, but in general we were in every game we played. That has changed since then.
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When I think about an issue like this, one of my big problems is separating leadership and actual ability. Something like hard work obviously plays into both – by working hard you become a better player, as well as set a good example for teammates and possibly inspire others around you to work harder. How much is some sort of innate “leadership” trait? How much is it just being good? I have no idea.
by Missing Barry on Feb 7, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
It’s hard to say, but when you’re watching sports, a lot of it is based on communication. I’d assume in the NFL, you can go out and do your job. But when you’re younger, and in college, you feed more off of the energy of the rest of your team. You don’t have to be the most talented guy to inspire others, but you just need a few guys who are able to pick you up.
Particularly the last two seasons, we didn’t have anyone like that who could rally us that way. When the tough got going, our team seemed to roll over and die way too many times. That speaks to me as a lack of leadership, a lack of players able to go out and perform their jobs for sixty minutes. Our team is not that much less talented than the others in the Pac-10 to lose by 30 points six to seven times. There’s a lack of work ethic and focus.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 7, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
So I would say that more of it is a work ethic thing than a vocal leadership thing, although I think some more vocal leaders would have helped in keeping the team from disintegrating the way they have the past few seasons.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 7, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Even though you didn't intend, this article is an indictment of Tedford
The main job of a leader of a large organization is to grow the leaders under him. He can’t be the tactician in charge of every facet at every moment. He needs to recognize, develop, and grow leadership in his team so that when it is needed, it happens. Why do some coaches win year in and year out? I think this is what Tedford recognized in 2007 when he decided to be more of a “CEO”. But it hasn’t happened – I think one of the keys is the observation in the article that Tedford himself is not a “fiery” leader and doesn’t push his players to be that way. When a natural leader (Rodgers, Follet) appear on their own, the team flourishes – the talent is there. But when it doesn’t, the team drastically underperforms. I think JT needs to learn to grow leaders – otherwise we never make it to the promised land with him.
No it's not.
Coaches can only do so much. Coaches aren’t on the field. Coaches aren’t the ones making plays. Strong player leadership is essential. It’s not an indictment of Tedford, just an explanation of how rare true player leadership really is, and how much it can affect a team.
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Styles of leadership
If we accept the argument that teams reflect the personality of their coach, and I think to a significant degree they do, then one of the challenges Tedford faces is his brand of leadershipāwhile strongāis not something that many guys can pull off.
There are inspiring vocal leaders in the mold of Joe Kapp, who can lead a group of young men anywhere simply with their words. And there are ironman leaders of persistence who lead by the example of their Rocky Balboa FTW determination. Then there are the guys, like Rodgers (and, I think, Tedford) who simply lead by the example of their excellence. They’re soft-spoken, not particularly charismatic to listen to, but they work their perfectionist asses off. And when their own play lives up to their high standards, they can be among the most effective leaders there are. But when times get tough, this last group can struggle. The Kapps of the world will always inspire (e.g., Big Game 1986), and so will the Rocky Balboas. Those in the mold of Rodgers, though, have a much harder time leading if their own performance is falling short of the perfection they demand.
Perhaps this is what we’ve seen of late with Cal. With a few noteworthy exceptions, I think Tedford tends to recruit guys like himself and Rodgers. This isn’t a bad thing, at all. However, I think these type of guys have difficulty picking themselves up off the mat when, for whatever reason, it’s just not working. This is all, of course, speculation, but maybe it helps explain the collapse of 2007 and the recent track record of blowout losses.
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Then Tedford is being paid too much
I say this as a fan and supporter of JT. But… most leaders are made, not born. Great leaders, ie Jack Welsh, Bear Bryant, Bill Walsh – make those of us that have the basic building blocks into the leaders that can inspire those around us to achieve results greater than would happen otherwise. Leadership is hard – to dig down and inspire people around you even when failure is staring you in the face… for most of us, what it takes is someone to push us and demand that we step up… not many can do it, but even fewer without the general who demands it. JT is the general – that’s his job. If he doesn’t demand it, no one will. Otherwise, true success is random, and depends on a Rodgers or a Follet showing up. This happens every 3 or 4 years, but that means consistent success is elusive.
Tedford has proven himself to be a great tactician. The next step is whether he can develop leaders and consistent success.
Rodgers doesn’t have any trouble picking himself up the mat. As many sacks as he took last year? Things got toughter and tougher, but he just kept on playing his heart out.
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I don’t think Tedford has trouble picking himself off the mat either, so let me clarify.
My impression is that Aaron is a lead-by-the-example-of-his-excellence kind of guy. He’s a perfectionist who demands the absolute most out of himself and out of his teammates, and he works his ass off to achieve those results. He’s certainly capable of responding to adversity (Exhibit A: his whole career path), but at the end of the day, it’s his phenomenal level of performance that inspires. Guys will work just as hard as he does because they have faith that it’s going to yield results.
Should Rodgers ever hit an extended slump, however, then I could see his message of “work hard and be perfect” start to wane in its effectiveness. That is, he needs to be perfect himself in order to effectively lead by his example; simply trying hard, never giving up, and exhorting this teammates to match his effort are not enough. This doesn’t make Rodgers a poor leader by any means; it just reflects what makes his message sellable.
How does this relate to Cal coaches? Well, with a 1-9 football team, I’d most like to see Joe Kapp coaching it, because the effectiveness of his message is largely independent of the success (or lack thereof) being experienced on the field. But with a 9-1 football team, I’d much rather have Tedford, because he has a message capable of being sustained through a period of extended excellence. (And needless to say, Tedford has proven far more likely than Kapp to get his team to 9-1 in the first place, rather than 1-9.)
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by California Pete on Feb 8, 2011 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
Leadership and team cohesiveness/persona is very important, and it appears Cal football, over the past few years, has lacked that. It’s not based on what I’ve heard, it’s based on observations of the team as a whole:
- the entire team shows up flat for games they should win
- team gets blown out at home but sideline demeaner suggests (“eh, we’re a 5-win team”)
- no “we’re going to dominate you now” mentality against high level opponents. No 4th and 1 go-for-its, no blowing people off the LoS, airmailing wide open receivers, etc.
I’ve played on good teams with good and bad peer/player leadership and the most fun I’ve ever had was on the team that played so soundly as a team. While there were “leaders,” they also didn’t have to get on guys for stupid shit.
I’d also say certain positions (QB, O & D-line, MLB, S) are better places for leaders. You win up the middle with a strong core who do a good job of leading. Sure there are exceptions, but this is a good place to start.
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I played sports including football and I’d have to say that this “vocal leadership” thing really depends on the chemistry of each team. Teams are different just like individuals. Sometimes vocal leaders are resented or not taken seriously. Some are totally followed. I think at the college level, every player is there for a reason and has the skills to play and cares otherwise they would quit and pursue other interests. I believe you can not figure this “vocal leadership” thing out from looking in from the outside. Only the players really know the true vibe of the team. So I won’t even try to tell you that there is a lack of or surplus of leadership in the Cal locker room. We got to see a glimpse of the locker room in the documentary made by Tyler Fredrickson a few years back. But good luck figuring out the team chemistry when you aren’t part of the team.

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