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Cal Football Recruiting Aftermath: Hold Steady

Ultimately, National Signing Day contained no big surprises for the California Golden Bears. No Marqise Lee pulling a rabbit (or a Cal hat) out, instead heading to USC. No massive shakeup in the Pac-12, other than the Black Mamba heading to Eugene. No theatrics, no five-star guys, just a solid third/fourth place conference class that adds on last year's successful recruiting haul.

And you know what? That's fine. The less drama in Cal recruiting, the better. As wild as a ride as last year's LOI day was, it ultimately felt like hauling on a rodeo bull--you began to wonder why you got on the ride in the first place. It extends back to the idea of stability for Jeff Tedford and Cal football to take to win the recruiting game--take care of business, do the right things, and reap the rewards.

The only number I ultimately cared about was zero. Zero decommits. No last minute repudiations. Almost every other successful school had to deal with a varied number of players going in and out. Cal found its guys and stuck with them. In a sport where coaches often oversign, refuse scholarships to athletes, negatively recruit, press after kids long after they've closed their recruitment, that number is telling.

So let's start taking a look at the biggest things to harken on in this class, starting with keeping those pesky points off the board.

Star-divide

Defense, BEARS, Defense! Never will you be more enthusiastic to utter those words. Cal's 2011 class is so packed on defense, and it wouldn't be out of the question to think half of these guys could be starters in a year (and perhaps even more in two years).

Nose tackle: Vei Moala
Defensive ends: Todd Barr, Mustafa Jalil (might not be a bad backup NT either) and Puka Lopa
Inside linebackers: Jalen Jefferson, Nathan Broussard
Outside linebackers: Brennan Scarlett, Jason Gibson (could also be DE)
Cornerbacks: Stefan McClure, Joel Willis, Kameron Jackson
Safeties: Avery Walls, Jordan Morgan

Thirteen guys. Six defensive linemen, although two are versatile enough to play linebacker. The two linebackers in this class are pretty versatile themselves.  And also five defensive backs, at least two to three who could immediately contribute. Holy wows.

Of course, it only gets more exciting when you add in last year's class to the equation.

Nose tackle: Vei Moala
Defensive ends: Gabe King, Todd Barr, Mustafa Jalil, Puka Lopa
Inside linebackers: David Wilkerson, Nick Forbes, Jalen Jefferson, Nathan Broussard
Outside linebackers: Cecil Whiteside, Chris McCain, Brennan Scarlett, Jason Gibson
Cornerbacks: Adrian Lee, Stefan McCLure, Joel Willis, Kameron Jackson
Safeties: Michael Coley, Avery Walls, Jordan Morgan

That isn't just a starting unit. That's almost enough to fill a two-deep. That's a foundation for 2012. If even two-thirds of these guys can acclimate themselves to the rigorous Cal sports lifestyle, watch out for them to make their impact felt early and often.

Don't underestimate the offense either. They're not as notable as the defense, but there are guys here who will be very valuable to us down the road.  Kyle Boehm will probably have two years to learn while Allan Bridgford, Austin Hinder and Zach Maynard duke it out. Maurice Harris is too far back on the wide receiver depth chart to make an impact.  Daniel Lasco will need that year of conditioning, and Brendon Bigelow still needs time to recover from his high school injuries. Darren Ervin could also fit into the puzzle as well.

Matt Williams looks like a bit of a project, although his early entrance gives me optimism he'll see the field earlier than expected. Jordan Rigsbee is a guard, and Cal has decent depth at guard, so he'd have to make a huge impression the moment he steps into summer workouts. Richard Rodgers would be fifth on the tight end depth chart next season, so he's going to be doing his workouts.

The only guy who sticks out as an immediate impact guy is C.J. Anderson. We rarely go after junior college running backs because of the lack of years they get.  Thus, even with so many tailbacks on our roster, it's clear running back is still a concern, even with Ron Gould's steady development.

Don't expect immediate impact players. I said this last year, I'll say it this year--it's sheer folly to assume that these guys will come in and make contributions. There are rare exceptions (Marshawn Lynch, DeSean Jackson, Jahvid Best, Keenan Allen) but redshirts exist for a reason--most high school athletes need them. There was a lot of talk from Tedford that frosh would see the field last season, and in the end it was only Allen that ended up burning it for sure (Forbes, Wark and Wilkerson are still waiting to hear back on their medical redshirts).

So looking at these guys, it's hard to see who will play. Cal loses their stud defensive end, their dominant nose tackle, their leader in the linebacking corps, their strong safety, as well as two more defensive backs, two more outside linebackers.

But the guys left aren't going to be pushovers.

Defensive ends: Deandre Coleman, Ernest Owusu, Trevor Guyton
Nose tackles: Kendrick Payne, Aaron Tipoti, Keni Kaufusi
Inside linebackers: D.J. Holt, Steven Fanua
Outside linebackers: Mychal Kendricks, Kameron Krebs (Oregon St. transfer)
Cornerbacks: Marc Anthony, Steve Williams
Safeties: Sean Cattouse, Josh Hill, D.J. Campbell

I'd imagine a lot of them will have the heads up on conditioning and D-I experience, regardless of whether the young guns have them beat on raw talent.

If I were to make bets on who'd play as freshmen, I'd rank from most likely to least likely (and anyone not listed I doubt will play at all).


1. C.J. Anderson (there's a chance that Isi Sofele and Covaughn Deboskie-Johnson assert themselves as every-down backs. I doubt it though. We recruited Anderson to play now.)

2. Stefan McClure (Cal has only two cornerbacks with significant PT, then Lee, then probably no one. McClure will find himself in the rotation, particularly against spread teams).

3. Vei Moala (too good to leave off the field. Neither Payne nor Tipoti are particularly built for the nose guard position; it showed last season when Hill left the field. Moala will get his chances.)

T-4. Joel Willis/Kameron Jackson/Avery Walls (This'll depend a lot on whether Cal decides to shift Hill around. If they don't, Willis and/or Jackson will be occupying that second part of the cornerback chart. It wouldn't be a stretch to think both of them could be on the two-deep if they can beat out Lee. If the Cal defensive coaches think Hill will be part of the cornerback rotation, Walls could contribute immediately and move into the safety rotation. Also Walls being an early entree should help his cause.)

7. Matt Williams (we need tackles right now. He does have three years to play two, so this is a wait-and-see situation).

8. Todd Barr (I really think Barr will be special. But there are a LOT of guys in front of him right now who have seen plenty of playing time and have shown to be at least average to above-average players. Tosh Lupoi's coaching development are just as impressive as his recruiting abilities, and Barr will have to compete with Coleman, Owusu, Guyton and King. Someone will have to get injured for Barr to get his shot.)

Cal Football 2011 will be bumpy; hang in folks. Still, the fact that we could be putting THIS many frosh in the rotation is pretty exhilarating and terrifying. Add in the unfamiliar environment for the old guys, the likely diminished home field advantage away from Memorial, and the brutal road schedule, and the Bears will be scrambling to compete game in, game out in the new Pac-12.

Jeff Tedford has earned a bit of a reprieve. Although his teams have struggled on the field, he has managed to thrive off of it and give us reason to hope. Ultimately, he can't expect to keep on repeating this cycle, because he'll end up struggling in both aspects (see Rick Neuheisel at UCLA this year), and the shades will close. Hopefully in this upcoming year, he can do a little bit of both, and keep things moving in a positive direction.

Everyone knows the tough situation our team will be in the next few seasons. So as a fanbase, we must be ready to adjust our expectations and get ready to handle what will hopefully be an abbreviated period in the middle of the conference. The destination all of us seek might seem pretty far-off right now, but the journey promises to be very rewarding if we're willing to hang in through the dark times. Many have waited a long time; we can hopefully wait a little longer.

Besides, where's the glory without the struggle?

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Great post

I see 2011 as sort a building and transition season, much like when basketball was out of Harmon for the rebuild. Hopefully, our younger guys will get good playing time and develop so that the Bears can come out strong in 2012.

by One Armed Explorer on Feb 3, 2011 4:25 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Seems to me that Gibson really isn’t a DE at all in our scheme. If he’s only 210-215, it seems unlikely to me he’d bulk up to DE size, unless he was a 4-3 DE (since they can be much smaller than 3-4 DE’s). It makse him a great size for a 3-4 OLB, though! Scarlett seems to have the kind of size for either spot in our scheme, though.

Good recap.

by Missing Barry on Feb 3, 2011 5:30 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, I thought Scarlett was a DE with potential to play some OLB. I thought Gibson was purely a LB.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m secretly hoping (well, not any more…) Scarlett will have the potential to play some basketball, too. Could use his bulk in there with the departure of MSF…….

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Feb 3, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Is he really tall enough, though? Listed height of 6’5 is pretty weak…..

by Missing Barry on Feb 3, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I could be wrong, but wasn’t Tony about 6’6? I think he was able to eat up some space in the paint.

by ryandrew on Feb 3, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Listed as 6’6, probably closer to 6’4. But so darn strong, it didn’t matter. I remember it was hilarious watching the first few games before Tony G acclimated back to bball. Bodies would go flying and he’d get two fouls in two seconds. Then he’d re-adjust and get his mid-range jumper grooved again. Incredible athlete.

Rodgers and Scarlett could both play some hoops if they wanted, I’d bet.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Feb 3, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I was kinda hoping Marqise Lee could be a 2-sport guy for us maybe. Ah well. How tall is Rodgers?

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

6’4, 230 lbs. Plays bigger than that, though.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Feb 3, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

If I were a betting man, my money would be heavily against it. I don’t think either of them are tall enough, unless Rodgers has some sort of outside game. Especially Scalett, as big as he is, that’s a lot of weight to carry around the basketball court. Big and strong is good, but only to a point, eventually it just affects your mobility too much.

by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If you didn’t notice, Tony Gonzalez went on to be the greatest pass catching TE in NFL history. I think it’s fair to assume he’s the exception, rather than the norm. It’s definitely not impossible to be a ~6’5 PF in college basketball, but you have to have a lot of length, athleticism, skill and be a general badass to make it happen. Dejuan Blair is a good example.

by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Matt Williams

he came to US hoping to play basketball

by JustBear on Feb 3, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Huskies Game

Okay, I’m a Cal fan through and through, but I just couldn’t bring myself to ever watch the Washington game which I’d recorded because I knew the score and I knew how we lost on the last play in the old Memorial Stadium. But after yesterday’s recruiting successes I figured it was time because I had the optimism of future football players on our squad to temper the deflated feeling I knew I’d feel watching the game. I’ve now erased the game from my DVR and am looking towards our bright future.

Go Bears!

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Feb 3, 2011 7:48 AM PST reply actions  

Don’t think about it like that. Memorial Stadium is still Memorial Stadium. 20 years from now, nobody is going to think about that Washington touchdown as the “last play” of anything other than that particular game.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Memorial will always be Memorial to me and in 20 years, I’ll probably be still sitting in QQ.

by j.lee on Feb 3, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Man-hugs all the way around !

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Feb 3, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Very true and well said. The tradition of Memorial is bigger than one play. Back and better than ever in 2012!

by Sean Thompson on Feb 3, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

very thin in the upperclassmen/good returning starters.

On defense, Kendricks, Colemen, Holt, Williams, and maybe Cattouse and Anthony are pretty good. Will be interesting to see how new 2010 recruits do (King, Forbes, Wilkerson).

On offense, Allen, MSG, whoever they put at center, Schwartz (if used at RT), and maybe Jones. LOTS of work to do here. Would be nice if we could check some things off going into 2012 (emergence of Wark and Schwenke, a second RT, a QB, a FB).

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 3, 2011 7:48 AM PST reply actions  

I’d throw Miller’s name in there on offense, too. I think the two spots where it’s most likely guys will step up are RB and dline – not sure we’ll have an effective nose tackle, but between Guyton, Owusu, Payne, Tapoti, and possibly King/Kaufusi, I can see the opposite DE from Coleman playing pretty well. Owusu strikes me as an undersized guy who might struggle as an every down player but is likely to be able to contribute on passing downs. I think there’s a good chance Guyton is able to be a solid contributor, and I can definitely see a chance Payne/Tapoti see a little bit of time on the end depending on the situation, and if their biggest issue at NT is holding their ground, they’d probably be more effective on the end. It will depend some on how deep the NT is – if Kaufusi and Moala both add to it, that gives the D more flexibility to move Payne/Tapoti around some.

by Missing Barry on Feb 3, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I really haven’t heard much at all about Kaufusi. What’s his ceiling supposed to be like? He’s listed at 6’2", 280lbs, which doesn’t seem to be prototypical NT size…

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s coming off of serious shoulder surgery. So, it’s unknown what he’ll bring to the table at this point. Pre-injury, I recall that he was very well-thought of. Supposed to be very strong.

Like you said, however, he’s not exactly NT-size. Moala is the only true 3-4 NT we have. The other guys, Payne/Tipoti/Kaufusi, strike me more as 4-3 DT’s. Tosh and Clancy are going to have to mix/match to find the right combo, I guess.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Feb 3, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Kafusi is slotted for DE at this point.

Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.

-TwistNHook

by turkey on Feb 3, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe mustafa…he’s 3 hundo I think

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 3, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought I saw 310

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Injuries to 3 out of 4 returning RBs

Yarnway and Briggs nursing injuries, CDJ seems to have recovered, but he just had surgery. Only Isi is healthy.
No wonder Tedford went after JC RB. Injuries are still a worrisome, but its good to know why we got the CJ Anderson. It wasnt that Tedford and Gould didnt trust the talent of our RBs already on roster. It was the injury.

by JustBear on Feb 3, 2011 8:20 AM PST reply actions  

Don’t forget that Best returned from surgery to have a great year. Its not too worrisome. Having said that, we’re always one play away from someone going down and finding ourselves in a tough spot.

Drinking the Kool-Aid. Pumping the sunshine. Livin' the dream. Go Bears!

by dballisloose on Feb 3, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

what happened to briggs?

no cal bear? no care

by EchoOfSilence on Feb 3, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Back and ankle injuries, reportedly.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice post, Avi.

BTW…

Cal loses their… dominant nose tackle
= Derrick Hill?

Also, I’d say we’re a solid 3rd in Pac-12 recruiting this year, after USC and Oregon, not 3rd/4th. Let’s not sell ourselves short. I think as far as one can tell, we’re clearly a step ahead of UW and Stanfurd.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 9:14 AM PST reply actions  

were we 2nd in Pac12 before Oregon stole that #1 ATH from USC?

by JustBear on Feb 3, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

No.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

As far as LB are concerned, Kendricks seems like the only incumbent who has truly impressed so far, though I guess Holt had his moments. Yet Barr is the only one who made your list of frosh who could possibly see some serious playing time this year? What about Forbes, Wilkerson, Whiteside or McCain? They still count as freshmen, right?

Williams, meanwhile, would be a junior, right?

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 9:20 AM PST reply actions  

Are we talking about Steve Williams, or Matt Williams? Steve was a RS fresh last year, right? And it sounds like Matt has 3 years to play 2.

by Missing Barry on Feb 3, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I meant Matt Williams is not a freshman. Though, he is new and might not need to [blue]shirt.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s a bit deflating for me to be so pumped up about this class and then read that we were still just the third best in the conference.

Still, one aspect of the recruiting aspect that I’ve enjoyed is seeing our guys develop into higher caliber players as their careers progress. ESPN.com ran a story about the class of 2007 and how their top 150 panned out. Their top three all went to $C with moderate success at best. In their – worked out better than expected – was Jahvid Best, who was NOT in their top 150.

by cal85 on Feb 3, 2011 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, it’s hard to be definitive with all the starflation and such, but think of it this way…. Oregon were just playing for the national championship, and they have a Phil Knight Football Training Palace to sell their recruits on top of that. USC is USC. So, for Cal to finish just behind those two programs in recruiting isn’t too shabby, I gotta say. Plus, if/when the sanctions hit USC the next couple of years, we’ll have our golden opportunity to finally leapfrog them.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Ranking = hype not results

USC does indeed recruit well, but when you look at their guys WITHIN classes, it’s not always their five star gets that end up playing in the NFL or even start for them. Star rankings are just a guide and even though they are becoming more accurate compared to years past they are still lacking accuracy for determining who actually can contribute. One of the hallmarks of the last 10 years for Cal has been finding guys who can develop within the system, making it happen, and then sending them off to kick ass at the next level. Oregon has won for years without the high level recruits. But they also have a particular culture that doesn’t fit Cal.

You have to recruit for YOUR needs and fit NOT for stars.

It’s tempting to want to “beat” other teams in the recruiting race, but in the end it is meaningless if you can’t win on the field. Look at Clemson and Illinois. Last 5 years they have consistently had top 15/20 recruiting classes. Doesn’t translate on the field. I don’t know the specifics of their programs, but I am willing to bet that they just had bad fits.

What has me so excited for this class is that not a single player seems like a bad fit: culturally, athletically, or academically. In terms of ultimate fit, I don’t think they could have put together a better class. This could very well be the group that takes Cal to the next level. And while that may take a while (2013-2014?), it’s going to be FREAKING AWESOME!!!

GO BEARS!!!!!

Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"

by PlayClassyBears on Feb 3, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this, sure. It’s definitely not just about silly stars given out by recruiting websites. But like, for example, there were several highly talented players that we were competing for, that seem like good, bright young players, and that we were definitely interested in. Guys like Marqise Lee, who ended up choosing USC, or Colt Lyerla, who chose Oregon for example. We wanted those guys, and while I’m ecstatic about the guys we got, and I am certain that we can win with the guys we have, it’s always nice to get recruits that people universally think are really talented, and to keep them from our rivals.

So yeah, there’s a lot of ridiculous hype about recruiting, and really it’s all about making the most with the guys you do have, but that doesn’t mean this whole exercise is meaningless either.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I suppose that’s true. But having followed recruiting now going on nearly 8 or 9 years, you never get everyone you want. In fact in the past it has felt like Cal has netted maybe 10% (if that) of its top targets. This year we did extremely well.

Also while we offered Colt Lyerla, I’m not sure we were ever really in the running—he never even visited. So to be “in consideration” even though he had never come says a lot about our recruiting.

Marqise was probably our biggest loss down the stretch, but all the recruitniks had him staying in LA from day one. We did REALLY well at DB though, so I’m happy.

Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"

by PlayClassyBears on Feb 3, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure. You never get everyone you want. And yeah, maybe those two weren’t necessarily the best examples, but my point is just that this recruiting stuff isn’t completely inconsequential. I don’t necessarily want to be like USC or anything, but I’m happy to be in the top 10 or 15 in the country at the end of the day. There’s no reason, between our wonderful coaching staff, our soon-to-be new facilities, our track record of former players in the NFL, and our amazing campus and institutional quality, that we shouldn’t be a top destination year in and year out. I’m quite happy with where we’re at. We could probably be slightly better, but we’re not too far from reaching our recruiting potential.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

If it gives us fodder for discussing the Bears.....

…then it isn’t meaningless !!!!! Hell, we could be talking about cheerleader recruiting and I’d think it was worthwhile. Hey, why DON’T we talk about cheerleader recruiting here????

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Feb 3, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Academic requirements

We’ll never be in Oregon’s league.

Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.

by tedfordfan on Feb 3, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting.

How, then, do you explain USC and The Tree? Can’t have it both ways my friend.

Fuck you, Juju. We'll do it ourselves.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Feb 8, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

we’d be unstoppable if we had hot cheerleaders.

by j.lee on Feb 3, 2011 3:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

We'll never have the top-ranked class

At least I hope we don’t. I hope we keep taking in classes of 18-22 guys every year, because that will mean that the vast majority of our current players aren’t a) transferring; b) flunking out; c) having their scholarships yanked out from under them; d) medically unable to continue playing football; and e) continually arrested and/or in trouble with the law. It also means that we’re not way, way under the overall scholarship limit and facing impending sanctions and probation, causing us to oversign and early enroll a ton of guys whom we otherwise wouldn’t recruit/accept.

The ranking systems that are based on points (almost all of them — there’s no other objective way to compile a ranking) reward high volumes of the above listed behavior because they allow you to accept more recruits every year. That sucks.

Third place in the Pac in recruiting every year is absolutely and unequivocally fine with me.

Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.

by tedfordfan on Feb 3, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

ABSOLUTELY!

Also the metrics they use are kind of stupid. a five star versus a three star guy equates to a huge difference mathematically. But it doesn’t work that way in real life, nor does it take into account position need. You can have five fivestar guys at the same position (RB at USC for example) and that doesn’t help you a wit because you can’t play 5 RBs at the same time.

Also the points you mention in terms of unethical things going on is extremely important and VERY overlooked. For those you not already familiar with oversigning check out the very good website: www.oversigning.com

Also don’t forget about graduation rates and APR. I think if you take those numbers into account equally with star rating and actual production in college, very few schools would do as well as Cal over the last 9 years under Tedford.

Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"

by PlayClassyBears on Feb 3, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Seems to me there should be a pretty big difference between 5 star and 3 star, right? Dr. Saturday’s look at recruiting found a 1 in 13 chance of a 5 star guy being an All-American compared to 1 in 172 for a 3 star. There’s some other stuff going on there, like popularity of the player/school, but it still suggests to me that there really is a large difference between the two…..

As for tedfordfan’s point, I’d say look at something like average star rating instead of the point system. Seems like that might be a better judge in class quality, and Cal should be shooting to do well in that every year!

by Missing Barry on Feb 3, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Really nice recap, Avi. I’d agree that reasonable expectations are probably the theme for this next year. Just like Monty and his young team, we’re going to be reliant on youth/inexperience at a lot of key positions, most notably QB.

But, the homecoming to Memorial should be awesome…

Besides, where’s the glory without the struggle?

So, it’s been a really, really glorious 51 years?

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Feb 3, 2011 9:48 AM PST reply actions  

Fanbase is going to need a LOT of patience. Just keeping chanting that mantra and let our guys grind away.

Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"

by PlayClassyBears on Feb 3, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

And never boo your team. In the interview with JTedford the interviewer recalled JAyoob being booed. Now I know he struggled, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t try his best. If he’s wearing Blue and Gold, I’m not booing anyone.

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Feb 3, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

San Francisco Giants

2010 World Series Champions

diehard warrior & niner fan.
possibly the only cal + SC fan in the world

by gogoldenbears on Feb 3, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW I’m pretty sure Wilkerson, Forbes and Wark all got their RS

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Feb 3, 2011 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

TBD, but all remain optimistic.

Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.

-TwistNHook

by turkey on Feb 3, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I totes agree, Avi. Massive coaching turnover, cardboard box facilities, shadyass competition and Tedford still manages 22 recruits, 11 AA’s and ZERO decommits. Amazing.

im fuckin spazzy mcgee

by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 3, 2011 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

cause we recruit quality

All our guys and the guys we recruit are high character guys. like tedfordfan said above, you RARELY see any of our guys in the news for off the field issues. It’s nice to see they are interested in things outside football (academics), the Cal football family and, in the case of a few of them, want to stay close to home so their parents can see them play. Quality individuals and not bad on the field either (at least thats what we hope!)

diehard warrior & niner fan.
possibly the only cal + SC fan in the world

by gogoldenbears on Feb 3, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed. My only concern is it seems like we’re loading up at DE/OLB (thanks to Tosh) at an unsustainable pace where other real areas of need (OT, CB) and obfuscating “meh” players (WR? RB? QB? S?). I like what I’ve seen from Ambrose, and look forward to seeing some Tosh-level recruits come in at other positions.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 3, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

We’re not addressing CB? How do you figure?

Meh players at RB? Huh?

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

We are, just not quite as well as in other places like DE and OLB.

RB is filled with a bunch of unknowns with ceilings that don’t, at this moment, compare with the likes of Arrington, Lynch, Forsett, Best, or Vereen in my opinion. I wouldn’t be surprised if such a player emerged, but it’s just not as obvious as in years past.

We got a couple of CB’s late in the process thanks to the efforts of Ambrose, and Williams last year, but we’re a little thin. I think that’s a fair statement. Another strong year by Ambrose next year, and things will look better.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 3, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I think the issue at RB is not that these guys don’t have high ceilings, it’s that they’ve been injured or haven’t played yet.

Briggs has reportedly looked quite impressive at times, CDJ has shown flashes. Anderson and Bigelow seem to have a ton of talent.

We’ve been fortunate so far that our guys have been durable and good enough so that we had a clear #1/#2 every season, and the #2 was usually a younger guy who would step into the spotlight the next year. So when Lynch left, we’d seen Forsett. When Forsett left, we’d seen Best, etc… Unfortunately, injuries limited Briggs/CDJ/Yarnway, so they are much more unknown quantities. Sofele did okay in his limited duty, but he’s obviously got his limitations, but I think the fact that he was made #2 is reflective of the fact that the other guys weren’t healthy rather than they aren’t talented.

Anyway, maybe it will be a bit of a down year compared to what we’re used to at the RB position, and I don’t blame people for being worried because we haven’t had the preview of the new #1 guy that we’re used to, but I trust Gould to have someone ready to go and play well for us by fall.

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by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think having a bunch of unknowns with high ceilings at RB is addressing the issue with “meh” players at that position (I disagree with that assessment, but that’s a separate issue). If they weren’t unknowns, then it couldn’t be described as a “meh” position. As a “meh” position, the best and really only way to address it is with high ceiling unknowns, which we have. This is also true at those other positions you listed like QB and S.

True, the recruits and younger players we have may not have been 5*, top recruit in the nation type stuff, but they in general are highly rated, talented guys. As good as our Dline/LB recruits have been, they also haven’t been in the “can’t miss” group of 5* recruits either. I think they’ve done a fine job in addressing potential problem areas (outside of Oline which hopefully will be addressed next year) they just have locked up recruits earlier in the process (like Boehm this year and Kilne already for next year).

by jali on Feb 3, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

these are both good rebuttals and I enjoyed reading and learning from them.

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by carp on Feb 3, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

What is this? This is the interwebs. Sane and polite conversations don’t belong here!!

Although I disagreed with you, I do share your fears. I’m excited about this and last year’s class, but I’m definitely nervous about how some of the young guys step up to fill question marks in some positions.

by jali on Feb 3, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I appreciate the candid way you speak about recruiting, carp. Sometimes it’s hard to see through the candy coating and sprinkles with the type of press it gets.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 3, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point about immediate impact

Recruiting is really about delayed gratification. Next year we’ll see very little impact from this class. The Jucos will have a chance to contribute — Anderson at RB because of the questionable health of his competition, and Williams because he enrolled early and we are very thin at OT. But, of course, that’s precisely why you recruit Jucos. The other offensive recruits have very good potential, but, like you said, almost certainly won’t make an impact next year.

Regarding the freshmen on defense, they not only have to beat out the upperclassmen who have experience, they have to beat out the recruits from last year’s very highly rated recruiting class. As excited as I am for Brennan Scarlett and Jason Gibson, they have to get past the upperclassmen AND Whiteside/McCain, who will have spring practice to both learn the defense and hit the weight room/training table. That’s a lot to ask, no matter how talented they are. Add in the RS Freshmen to your depth chart posted above and it looks like this:

Defensive ends: Deandre Coleman, Ernest Owusu, Trevor Guyton, Gabe King
Nose tackles: Kendrick Payne, Aaron Tipoti, Keni Kaufusi
Inside linebackers: D.J. Holt, Steven Fanua, Mullins, Wilkerson, Forbes
Outside linebackers: Mychal Kendricks, Whiteside, McCain
Cornerbacks: Marc Anthony, Steve Williams, Lee
Safeties: Sean Cattouse, Josh Hill, D.J. Campbell, Alex Logan, Cooley

In addition, they have to remain healthy — remember that last year injury took out 3 players who otherwise might not have blueshirted (Forbes, Wilkerson, Wark).

We have 3 guys who play NT, but none of them has distinguished themselves or is ideal size-wise for the position. So, despite the fact that we have depth there, I think Moala has a real chance to play next year. He has the size and strength to contribute right away — it’s just a matter of learning the defense and getting up to D1 conditioning levels. But, frankly, learning the NT position isn’t exactly complicated. So he’ll just have to work on mastering his technique (staying low, getting leverage, hand placement, etc.)

The other position we’re really, really thin at is cornerback. Williams and Anthony are the only two corners who have seen the field (excluding Hill, who I think will stay at safety). The only other scholarship corners are Lee and York. There’s an excellent chance that one of the corners will play, and a pretty good chance that two will. Whoever stays healthy through fall camp and the season will play — the odds on favorite is McClure, but all of them possess similar size and speed.

Todd Barr is just a physical freak and IMO our top recruit, so he might be just too good to keep off the field. But he’s got a LOT of competition, both from a depth and talent standpoint. Colman and King have a ton of talent. Owusu and Guyton have a lot of experience. Tough to crack into that 2-deep.

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by tedfordfan on Feb 3, 2011 11:07 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

If you could do that depth chart for the offense too, you’d be my hero for the day ;-)

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by dballisloose on Feb 3, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never been anyone's hero before...

Let’s see what it feels like…

{Blueshirt Freshmen bolded}

QB: Maynard, Bridgeford, Hinder
RB: Sofele, Deboski-Johnson, Yarnway, Briggs
FB: Stevens, Tyndall
TE: Miller, Ladner, Sparks, Wark
WR: Jones, Allen, Calvin, Edmond, Clay, Carter, Montgomery
OT: Schwartz, Riggsbee, DeMartinis, Tyndall, Crossthwaite
OG: Summers-Gavin, Schwenke, Cheadle, Gibson
OC: Galas, Adcock, Brazinski

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by tedfordfan on Feb 3, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, tedfordfan! You’re our hero for the day!

HE-RO!

HE-RO!

:)

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by Kodiak on Feb 3, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Todd Barr also:

“Barr reports a 3.7 core GPA and scored a 1465 on the SAT.

by C98 on Feb 3, 2011 1:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Let’s hope they’re using the old scale (out of 1600)

by jali on Feb 3, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

How? The SATs have been out of 2400 for a few years.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 5, 2011 2:26 AM PST up reply actions  

WERE SO SCREWED!

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by TwistNHook on Feb 5, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

We should just blueshirt Barr due to all the competition, and start his eligibility where he’ll have more time to start.

no cal bear? no care

by EchoOfSilence on Feb 3, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm okay with the term redshirt

It implies inactivity, time that doesn’t count, and insignificance to me.

by cal85 on Feb 3, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Vachel Samuels?

I though Vachel Samuels is back, so we might have more depth at CB

Also does any one know what happened to Charles Ragland? Is he gone for sure? was it grades like like Siddoway?

by GSXR7 on Feb 3, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

And what happened to Alex Logan?

Wasn’t he a good prospect at safety?

by GSXR7 on Feb 3, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

he’s on there…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 3, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Samuels is gone. He’s off the roster. I haven’t heard anything definitive on Ragland, but I think everyone’s pretty much assuming he’s also not coming back at this point.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s working out with the team, but remains to be seen if that translates to back during full contact drills.

Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.

-TwistNHook

by turkey on Feb 3, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Samuels?

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW, there are 114 guys on the roster. That doesn’t seem to add up. There are a few on there like Siddoway who are probably going to be taken off later, but… 19 of them?

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

includes walkons

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 3, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you can have up to 115 players on the roster, but only 85 can be on scholarship I believe.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 3, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Ahhhhhhhh, that makes sense now. Thanks.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Feb 3, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

those tedfords reproduce!

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 3, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Ragland left last year and went to a JC to work on his grades. Not confirmed, but rumor is that he is unlikely to return.

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by Kodiak on Feb 3, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m really excited about the D front 7 (or~14)! Coach P can use all kinds of packages and give players some rest! I feel it will be about 2 years before MOST will make big impact tho I’m really looking forward to seeing Tiny Moala, Cecil Whiteside and GABE KING this year!

I think that the next two seasons will be tough ones for us but after that lookout!

Bring back the Pac-10!!!

by calas on Feb 3, 2011 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

SQUAD!!!!

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by CruzinBears on Feb 3, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

HIT!

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by TwistNHook on Feb 3, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Ragland is gone he wanted to comeback but his grades weren’t up to par he enrolled at Chico I think it was on his facebook

by caalwayzs on Feb 4, 2011 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

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