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College Bowl System Loots Universities

...is the name of an article that can be found HERE.

While this is a piece written from a point of view that I don't necessarily share, it does lay out a lot of details on the mechanics of the current bowl game system. And it's some shady shit.

I post this now because some of the other bowl game topics have seen criticisms of the tickets being sold by the Cal ATO for the Holiday Bowl. And while the Cal ticket purchasing channel itself can easily be imagined to be streamlined with additional (or just different) resources, it has been hard for me to make much sense of the criticisms of the specific tickets being provided.

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As the article describes, Cal is contractually required to purchase an allotment of bowl game tickets (11k for the Holiday Bowl) at full price to participate. As far as I know, there is no negotiation allowed; the allotment is something set by the bowl committee and already agreed upon by the conferences. The seat locations, just like the quantity, is fixed long before the schools are selected and directly involved. Cal's role is limited to selling them or eating them.

The specific challenge here is to sell less-than-prime (largely end zone and upper deck) tickets for full price when there are a large number of better tickets available on the secondary market that were obtained for next-to-nothing by people with little attachment to the specific teams. The best "sell" our ATO has is that you are seated with other Cal fans. If this doesn't matter to you, well, it's a tough sell.

From the article,

THE BIGGEST SCAM is the bulk ticket purchases.

Depending upon the bowl, schools are required to buy anywhere from 10,000 to 17,500 up front. So begins the seasonal hemorrhaging.

The deal starts with a presumption of failure. Even powerhouses like Ohio State rarely sell that many. When the Buckeyes played the Fiesta Bowl in 2009, they failed to sell more than 7,000 seats. Price for this bath: $1 million.

Auburn, last year's national champion, was still stuck with $781,000 in unsold tickets from the title game. What's worse is that the seats depreciate from the moment of purchase. Though crowds for most games are a smattering of capacity, the schools still pay bloated face-value prices. Their "friends" aren't about to grant them bulk discounts.

So when the colleges can't sell these seats to their fans, the market is flooded with more than 200,000 bowl tickets a year.

Prudent fans of UCLA, for example, know better than to buy hefty-priced seats from the school. After all, a ticket broker will soon be pushing the same seats for dimes on the dollar. Stub Hub once famously sold tickets to the Music City Bowl in Nashville for just 19 cents.

So while Connecticut may have won the Big East championship last year, it still failed to sell 14,729 seats to the Fiesta Bowl. The bowl charged the Huskies prices ranging from $111 to $268 a ticket. Stub Hub, meanwhile, was offering them at 20 bucks a pop.

The ticket scheme alone leaves schools awash in red ink. Virginia Tech lost $400,000 on last year's trip to the Orange Bowl, despite getting $1.2 million from the ACC. Though Auburn claimed last season's BCS crown, financial records show it still lost $600,000, even after a $2.2 million bailout from the Southeastern Conference.

Some bowls have also found a way to scam schools on hotels. Since the bowls usually arrange lodging, athletic directors assume their "friends" are negotiating the best group deals. But that's not always the case.

Under Junker's rule, the Fiesta Bowl required schools to purchase 3,750 room-nights at about $200 a pop. According to the contract, the schools had to pay whether they used them or not.

But what Junker wasn't telling his "friends" was that he'd arranged a side deal with the Scottsdale Convention & Visitors Bureau. In exchange for funneling teams to Scottsdale resorts, the city's tourism arm agreed to kick the Fiesta Bowl $8.2 million over the 20-year pact, according to a contract discovered by the Arizona Republic.

The Sugar Bowl also received "voluntary commissions" from New Orleans hotels. Other bowls have been accused of similar arrangements.

The article does allow that some conferences mitigate the damage by buying unpurchased seats from their schools. So the end result is not necessarily as bad as the language here indicates.

But this is the system. And the schools pay to play in this system, for better AND for worse. And we, the fans, should try to direct our criticisms towards the appropriate entities.

That is, it ain't all the Cal ATO's fault.

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jesus christ.

what the hell can we do?

The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 20, 2011 3:10 PM PST reply actions  

Sleep in tents until more equitable bowl game contracts can be negotiated between the conferences and the committees?

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m kinda being serious…

It seems like the only thing that can be done is an AD/President revolt from EVERY major university combined. Kinda like a strike…

The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 20, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

The way it's posted here, it sounds like a monopoly

Either that or the University is the sad middle manager at an Arby’s. At the end of the day, do universities really want to join these bowls? I was under the impression that going to a bowl was a money making opportunitiy, and a way to get game recognition, but it sounds like they are embedded in contracts within contracts.

Cal: Bears with Books.

by AndBears on Dec 20, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The bowls really just seem like are taking advantage of the notion that fans want to watch their team, in person, play a bowl (ON TV) and not pony up the 100s of dollars to actually attend. Universities are held hostage by this because no one in their right mind would decline a bowl without a better alternative.

The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 20, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

*not pony up the 100s of dollars to actually attend.

which I might add is totally reasonable if it’s the Fuckitall Bowl played in Sioux City, Iowa or whatever.

The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 20, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Who wouldn’t want to travel to Boise in December to sit outside in sub-freezing weather and stare at turf even bluer than their own hands?

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by CalBear81 on Dec 20, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you are right that the only remedy is for the university presidents and ADs to revolt, and direct their conferences not to agree to participate in rip-off bowls. But the fans would have to be educated about all this, or they would go ballistic at their schools for declining to participate in bowls.

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by CalBear81 on Dec 20, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed, but it wouldn’t necessarily have to be universal. I think a couple major conferences rejecting the system and setting up their own, say having their conference champions play each other, their #2’s play each other, so on, in games they host themselves would quickly shake things up. One major problem is that there are media relationships and contracts intertwined so that may not be feasible unless a media partner is involved AND no other contracts are violated.

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, if the conference has its own network, like say the Pac 12 Network and the Big Ten Network…

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by atomsareenough on Dec 20, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

We like the way you think!

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

an idea

they could invite the Big 10 to send its champion to California each year on New Year’s Day.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 21, 2011 6:56 AM PST up reply actions  

You are a genius!

by paleodan on Dec 21, 2011 12:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It’ll never work.

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by CalBear81 on Dec 21, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

But didn’t the Pac-12 just sign new contracts with a bunch of bowls? It’s likely that nothing could be done until those contracts expired. Also, if the Pac-12 and/or Big-10 were to refuse to play in the Rose Bowl as part of this boycott, they would probably lose their rights to that bowl permanently.

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by CalBear81 on Dec 20, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Those are the kind of leaps it would take, though: broken contracts, severed ties, … there would be lots of angry ex-“partners” and collateral damage in any shakeup.

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

They can do that after our next Rose Bowl.

by WolverBear on Dec 20, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Rose Bowl is an exception, I would think

I think that each school sells its allotment to the Rose Bowl. Almost invariably, the Rose Bowl is a sellout. When it isn’t a sellout, it comes very close to selling out.

I’d think that the costs of attending the Rose Bowl are probably still high, but I’d also think that the participating schools probably come much closer to breaking even, if not turning a small profit.

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by FiatSlug on Dec 22, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

rose bowl is the bestest bowl. think it’s always soldout.

by j.lee on Dec 22, 2011 5:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Seems the best idea....

…..is to hope your conference gets two BCS bowl teams ($ shared by all conference teams…), but that your team isn’t one of them (don’t take as big a bath on tix and lodging). From a $ standpoint, NOT going to a bowl is the best bet, but what fun is that???

I think change needs to come from the Conference Commissioners. If Larry Scott can’t put a wrinkle in this system, maybe no one can, but Conference leadership is where some real power lies.

I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.

by BTown85 on Dec 20, 2011 3:50 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

10 tickets sold … over the phone? What about the internet … ?

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by sec119 on Dec 20, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

well, it’s not like the tix come with airfare.

by j.lee on Dec 20, 2011 10:39 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

This is horrible. The entire bowl system definitely needs an overhaul, as in handing over the football reins to the NCAA.

Modern-day BCS was fathered by the then-SEC commish, and it can be undun as well, as long as everyone buys in. I envision this as something like Queen Amidala speaking to the Republic.

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by EchoOfSilence on Dec 20, 2011 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

This is why:

A) I considered my purchase of a Holiday Bowl ticket as basically a donation to Cal, with the caveat that I’d get crummy seats to an awesome game.

and

B) The bowl system needs massive reform. The NCAA/individual teams and conferences basically subcontract out the right to profit from the postseason to random old guys in colorful blazers that provide few benefits to anybody.

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by norcalnick on Dec 20, 2011 4:14 PM PST reply actions  

The athletes definitely benefit and I keep that in mind when I buy a ticket through Cal despite knowing this stuff. The team I follow gets a nice, hosted trip together when they win more games than they lose and that’s a tangible award for them in a system with far too few of them.

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

when they win more games than they lose

Well, most bowls…

"Sometimes you get it, and sometimes you get got."

by TheBuckeyeBear on Dec 20, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

lol THIS

f***ing bruins…

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by BearStage on Dec 23, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

The icing on the cake is that all the bowls all “nonprofits.”

The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 20, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s the way I look at it too.

Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

by Cugel on Dec 20, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The only way I see this improving is at bowl negotiation time – the conferences need to agree to much better terms for their individual member organizations. Options as I see it:

  • Minimize/eliminate seat purchasing requirements
  • Give schools reasonable seats to sell. This might mean less consistent rooting sections (the bowl needs reasonable seats to sell too).
  • Allow returns of unsold tickets two weeks before game time

This probably means greatly reduced payouts to the school/conference, but I think that is the right answer – the bowl should be the ones in the business of promoting and selling tickets to their game, and if they are unable to sell tickets well then maybe that bowl shouldn’t exist rather than have it indirectly supported. The current system of bowl subsidies is allowing marginal bowls to exist basically supported by the successful bowls/conferences/schools.

by HelloBowlesHall on Dec 21, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I think this the right idea. Totally agree with:

The current system of bowl subsidies is allowing marginal bowls to exist basically supported by the successful bowls/conferences/schools.

Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

by Cugel on Dec 21, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see the system changing unless the NCAA decrees something from on-high, which seems very unlikely.

It looks like a bunch of schools are mitigating the damage by asking their fans to buy up tickets which are then donated to members of the military, youth organizations, or non-profits:

Even Texas is asking fans to buy tickets for military personnel for the Holiday Bowl:

Longhorns fans also have a special opportunity to give Holiday Bowl tickets as a gift to the men and women of the United States Armed Forces this holiday season. These tickets, which are priced at $60 each, can be purchased on TexasBoxOffice.com and will be delivered to military personnel in San Diego.

by minesweeper on Dec 20, 2011 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

Q: Why did the ATO give me crappy seats?

A: They sections in white on the left half of the image are the 11k they have to sell.

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 4:35 PM PST reply actions  

Hey Zoonews, where did you get this chart from anyhow?

by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I just copied it from another thread…

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by zoonews on Dec 23, 2011 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

The original image is on this page from the Holiday Bowl’s official site.

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by Berkelium97 on Dec 23, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Where does all the money go? I have a really hard time believing it is all to lining pockets.

by paleodan on Dec 20, 2011 5:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

The bowl money is all likely accounted for by venues and events and marketing and salaries, bloated and not.

Then again, the recent Fiesta Bowl scandal revealed payments for all kinds of political bribes and benefits.

That evening of adult entertainment is but one of many instances outlined in the report of brazen, scandalous behavior by Junker and others on the Fiesta Bowl payroll that included, but wasn’t limited to: funneling money to politicians through bowl employees; coaching witnesses, and altering documents during the investigation that followed; taking junkets to college football games with politicians and their families — all on the bowl’s dime. On page 210 is a charge that the bowl footed the $33,188 bill for Junker’s 50th birthday party, a four-day bacchanal in Pebble Beach that had, according to one attendee, “absolutely no business purpose.”

And note that:

Sugar Bowl executive director Paul Hoolahan’s 2009 income of $645,386 was just 40K or so shy of [ousted Fiesta Bowl director] Junker’s.

I suspect there is another level of interaction between the bowl committee and the hospitality industry that guides certain decisions there but that’s just me bein’ suspicious.

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Follow-up:

Executive salaries for bowl officials as of 2 or 3 years ago are here.

$808,032 Jim McVay, Outback
$645,386 Paul Hoolahan, Sugar
$504,444 Gary Stokan, Chick-fil-A
$419,873 Rick Baker, Cotton
$419,045 Derrick Fox, Alamo
$415,118 John Junker, Fiesta/Insight
$377,475 Gary Cavalli, Kraft Fight Hunger
$357,722 Eric Poms, Orange
$277,929 John Dorger, Rose
$261,496 Bruce Binkowski, Holiday/Poinsettia
$242,584 Steve Hogan, Capital One/Champs
$236,594 Scott Ramsey, Music City
$200,599, Kevin McDonald, Humanitarian
$166,088 Bernie Olivas, Sun
$110,217 Missy Setters, Independence
$90,000 Mike Gottfried, GoDaddy.com
$37,500 Stephen Beck, Military

This data includes fun factoids like this:

Of the 23 bowls with available financial data, the Discover Orange and Chick-fil-A bowls each have three bowl employees earning at least $200,000.

The combined salary of the top two paid Sugar Bowl employees — Hoolahan and associate executive director — exceeds $1 million — $1.043 million to be exact.

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

THANK GOD THEY ARE BEING PROPERLY COMPENSATED FOR THE BANG UP JOBS THEY ALL DO!

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by GoldBlooded on Dec 20, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

zoonews, thanks for the work you have put into this post. As they wrote in the Village Voice article:

And contrary to popular belief, their athletic departments just widen the damage.

Depending upon the year, only about 20 of the 120 athletic departments featuring Division 1 football actually pay for themselves. The rest require students and taxpayers to ride to the rescue.

When one student is not enrolled or one book is not bought for a library, the system needs to be torn down entirely. And I mean entirely.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 21, 2011 6:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I am in the wrong line of work.

I’m a going to start a new Bowl Game. I’ll call it the Manute Bowl. All proceeds, after I take my $200,000+ cut for organizing one event a year, will go to a NGO that serves poor people in Africa. Manute Bol will the grand marshal of the Manute Bowl parade.

Who’s with me?

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by secret ASian man on Dec 22, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Will you have Bol’s remains exhumed from the Sudan?

Just wondering.

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by FiatSlug on Dec 22, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The amazing thing is that by far the most profitable somehow manages to be so while paying their head coach the median salary.

by fiatlux on Dec 24, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

You can’t explian it!

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by CalBandGreat on Dec 20, 2011 8:03 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I have a really hard time believing it is all to lining pockets.

There’s your first mistake right there.

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by BearStage on Dec 23, 2011 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Good News

We’re closing in on 10,000 tickets sold through the ATO

by fiatlux on Dec 20, 2011 5:42 PM PST reply actions  

That is good news. I posted this knowing from your posts yesterday that we were close to meeting our obligation.

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I also think we are going to have WAAAAY more fans than Texas.

by fiatlux on Dec 20, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure looks that way, what with their fanbase being asked to buy tickets for local military families (via minesweeper, above).

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

ATO should explain this up front

If they are going to put their longest and best supporters, who consistently donate much more than $60/yr to their program, into the very worst seats in the whole stadium then they need to give those supporters a heads-up that the seats they will get will be terrible. It is a really bad idea to alienate your fan base for a one time payment of ~$1/2M.

Sure, they will sell fewer tickets if they do this. But if I had known this up front I would have just donated the money I spent on tickets to the Athletic Dept. At least then I could have written it off on my taxes.

by NoeValleyJim on Dec 20, 2011 6:49 PM PST reply actions  

That would be nice, agreed. But please note that no athletic department is going out of their way to publicize the murky details. Because, well, they’ve got tickets to sell and contracts to fulfill and conferences to represent and partnerships to maintain. And seeing how sausage gets made tends to turn previously rational people into pescatarians.

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

but i think they are doing a disservice to themselves… i think people are willing to put up with it if they’re just treated honestly… and the fact is, we’ve sold a lot of tix so a lot of people get it.

by fiatlux on Dec 20, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

You & I are (barely) relatively young and (definitely) more plugged in than the average fan customer. I’m not sure what my grandpa would have done if the ticketing office told him that they only had crappy seats available for him because the whole damn thing is a shit sandwich from their perspective. He’d probably stay home. Where absent that campaign, he’d probably trust his ticket office gave him the best seat they had. Old meets new meets old.

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by zoonews on Dec 20, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

BEAT TEXAS!

"Sometimes you get it, and sometimes you get got."

by TheBuckeyeBear on Dec 20, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

muck fack brown.

by j.lee on Dec 20, 2011 10:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

HBO announces: The Wire, Season Six

Baltimore Bowl CEO Clay Davis announces great success in collecting charitable contributions… for the kids!

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by natteringnabob on Dec 21, 2011 7:03 AM PST reply actions  

I would watch this.

Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

by Cugel on Dec 21, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Baltimore po-lice? Shiiiiiiiiii

by LeonPowe on Dec 21, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

So I

went to the Holiday Bowl in ‘06, sat in the student section underneath the scoreboard. I’ve also done away games at UCLA, so it wasn’t a big deal, student section is great no matter where they seat us.

But now as an young alumni who hasn’t started donating yet, I figured I wouldn’t qualify for any of the available seats, that resell would my only way in. Got a ticket in the plaza section on the 20 yard line. One of my friends got hers in that red view section.

Now that I’ve read this, I actually understand the factors behind my purchase and feel kinda bad. Happy I have a great seat, but not happy I’m gonna be amongst a corporate crowd, and that I may have had a chance to help out the ATO.

Next year, I’ll be sure to go through the ATO, and when I start getting a comfortable income, I’m gonna start kicking back to the athletic department. Cause they bring me a little joy, and that’s cool of them : )

by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

Want My Seat?

You can have my four in the Lower View, Section 12. I got them from the ATO. You can have them for free but you have to promise to not bring any Texas fans with you.

by NoeValleyJim on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

No reason to feel bad: they obscure the information available to the fans, so they own the consequences. As far as the players are concerned, your attendance is great support regardless of the section you are cheering from. And I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the sideline sections are blue & gold, because Go Bears! Beat Texas!

WE ARE THE 0%

by zoonews on Dec 22, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m behind the Cal bench, so I figured it’d be the defacto Cal side. I could probably pass a french baguette to the Cal ATO section with a fishing pole, I’m just in plaza section 2. I just wasn’t aware that I bought my way into the Corporate tix until I read this article

by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

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