This Week In The Pac-12: Football Follies, Basketball Blunders
There's nothing better in college football than rivalry games - those matchups of bitter enemies when you can throw out the betting line because anything can hap . . . wait, USC just scored another touchdown? I thought the game ended days ago?!?
OK, so maybe rivalry week was a bit of a dud in the Pac-12 and nationally. I think we can all agree that this is because the real rivalry week was last week. You know, the week when Cal pushed Stanford to the wire and Arizona ruined Arizona's season with a stirring comeback?
Regardless, the Pac-12 football regular season has come to its conclusion, and that conclusion is that there are three excellent teams and a whole lot of mediocrity. One coach has been fired and rumors are running rampant that three more will follow them within the next few weeks. *Update: Four coaches have now been fired with the dismissal of Paul Wulff.(!) That and the presumed departure of three Heisman trophy candidate players will mean a football conference that looks very, very different in 2012. Will that be to Cal's benefit? God, I hope so.
After the jump: Are we allowed to laugh at UCLA even though they beat us by 17? Can you win a Heisman despite inducing extreme boredom? And how is it possible that the Pac-12 has embarrassed itself even more in basketball?
USC 50, UCLA 0
We know that UCLA is bad, that USC is really good, and perhaps more importantly, really really determined to give the rest of college football a giant middle finger. So a blowout isn't really surprising. But fifty to nothing? Kudos to Rick Neuheisel for managing to survive two games in which he arguably should have been fired immediately afterwards.
Conquest Chronicles discusses football monopolies:
But most important Lane Kiffin rammed Neuheisel's words right down his throat.
Bruins Nation . . . well, you know, fire this and occupy that.
Will Matt Barkley stay or will he go?
Will the NCAA grant UCLA a bowl waiver?
Colorado 17, Utah 14
It figures that during rivalry week, it was the new, vaguely made up rivalry that was actually unexpected and entertaining. Utah has been so successful since losing to Cal that you forget that their offense has been mediocre at best and bad at worst most of the year. Colorado did just enough on offense to build a lead, and Utah missed field goals of 42, 26, and 48 yards to allow Colorado to escape.
Larry Scott may not appreciate your victory, Buffs, but as a Cal fan who would love to travel to San Diego rather than El Paso, I offer my firm thanks for opening that door!
Ralphie Report exorcises some huge demons:
It's over. It's the final turn of the page, in my opinion, from the last regime to the new one. 23 road losses can be flushed down the drain and we can move on.
It has been the first thing many brought up when discussing the state of the program the last four years. It has been that gray cloud hanging over this team; a way to define the University of Colorado football program.
Done.
Block U examines missed opportunities:
Everything fell into place for the Utes to win the division and put themselves in position to play for a Rose Bowl berth.
When every other team ahead of them buckled heading into the final month of the season, Utah was flourishing, which was remarkable considering their 0-4 start. They had the division gift wrapped and handed to them on a golden platter.
And what did they do with it? They stumbled badly and face-planted in front of the whole party.
Oregon 49, Oregon St. 21
Pretty much exactly what everybody expected. Oregon had plenty to play for and Oregon State was in the midst of their worst season since 1996 (the last year before Mike Riley was hired the first time around.) The Ducks had whatever they wanted on offense and only two garbage time touchdowns made the score look vaguely less awful. Oregon will have tons of fun blowing out UCLA, then move on to the Rose Bowl against either Wisconsin or Michigan State. I look forward to everybody overemphasizing the meaning and importance of the Rose Bowl results, regardless of what happens and who wins.
Addicted To Quack describes the many ways that this game wasn't close. This stat says it all:
Despite wasting multiple opportunities to put the game away early, the Ducks at one point in the 4th quarter had outgained the Beavers 600-170.
Building The Dam is asking some tough, tough questions after a 'beaverbysmal' (their word) year:
Is this analysis being too tough on Riley, who, to be fair, had resuscitated an Oregon St. program on life support, given the team their longest run of success in decades, and is a man of outstanding character?
Is yet another opportunity to turn the program around warranted? If so, based on what?
Why should Oregon St. settle for poorer performance than has gotten other experienced coaches, like Dennis Erickson, fired today despite getting Arizona St. to a bowl game, but after a season where opportunities were not realized?
How hot is Mike Riley's seat entering 2012?
Stanford 28, Notre Dame 14
For a game between 'rivals' involving a storied program on one side and a Heisman candidate on the other, this game was unbelievably boring. Sure, Andrew Luck was good, but just 'good within the framework of an increasingly conservative pro style offense.' Frankly, Stanford just kinda watched while Notre Dame shot themselves in the foot multiple times. A Heisman showcase this was not. But Cardinal fans shouldn't care, because all they needed was a win to move into an automatic BCS spot, and they got it.
Rule of Tree lays out the simple details:
If the Hokies defeat Clemson in next week's ACC Championship Game, there's a chance they could jump back ahead of Stanford, but it might not be enough. The Cardinal can finish in the top 4 and be guaranteed an at-large berth to a BCS bowl if Virginia Tech loses to Clemson, or Oklahoma State, which is currently ranked No. 3, loses to Oklahoma.
Washington 38, Washington St. 21
The Cougs might have had a chance in this one, but Keith Price was healthy enough to play well, and he shredded the Wazzu defense to the tune of 10 yards/attempt. Combine that with a workmanlike effort from Chris Polk and a couple of turnovers and you've got yourself a formula for a solid win. For Paul Wulff it looks to be the final act in one of the roughest coaching tenures you'll ever see.
UW Dawg Pound is happy to have Keith Price back under center:
Keith Price was as flawless as a banged up guy could be hitting in 21 of 29 pass attempts including three touchdowns and no interceptions. It would be really interesting to see what he could do with some mobility
Coug Center hasn't a clue what will happen to Paul Wulff:
Like pretty much everything else that's been released over the course of the last few days, you can read into this what you like. As I said earlier, I've seen a lot of press conferences to "discuss the future of x" and they almost always mean a change. But I've been surprised before and at this point, it's anyone's guess.
Arizona 45, Louisiana Lafayette 37
The fact that there was some doubt that Arizona might not beat a Sun Belt school going in is an indication of how rough a year it's been in Tucson. But they've got Rich Rodriguez so who cares what happens in a meaningless non-conference season final for a team that isn't bowl eligible?
AZ Desert Swarm has a great piece analyzing the RichRod hire:
That Rodriguez has WVU on his resume should let Wildcat backers breathe a little easier. Rich Rodriguez is not John Mackovic.
He also needs to be more than Mike Stoops or Tomey, though. This hire sets an undeniable tone for Byrne’s legacy. Stoops’ dismissal sent the clear message that simply being decent was no longer the bar UA has for football.
The man sending that message is Byrne, thus it’s his responsibility to see it to fruition. The Old Pueblo isn’t the pressure-free vacation destination for Rodriguez some are portraying it, even if it’s a long way from Ann Arbor.
Your Weekly Basketball Blunders Update
Humiliating basketball losses incurred last week to add to the collection:
Fairfield (by 10 over Arizona St.)
UMass (by 14 over Utah)
UNC Asheville (by 22 over Utah)
DePaul (by 4 over Arizona St.)
UC Riverside (by 1 over Washington St.)
Missouri (by 39 over Cal) Note: Humiliating because of the margin, not the opponent
Non-humiliating losses incurred last week that are getting painful because the Pac-12 needs to win some of these games to save face:
Vanderbilt (by 2 over Oregon St.)
Kansas (by 16 over UCLA)
Michigan (by 16 over UCLA)
San Diego St. (by 4 over Arizona)
Harvard (by 28 over Utah)
Oklahoma (by 25 over Washington St.)
Syracuse (by 6 over Stanford)
UNLV (by 11 over USC)
New Mexico (by 10 over Washington St.)
Actual, honest-to-goodness, decent wins earned this week:
Oklahoma St. (Stanford wins by 25)
Nebraska (Oregon wins by 7)
Georgia (Cal by 24, Colorado by 2)
Right now, Kenpom rates the Pac-12 as closer to the A-10, MVC, MWC and WCC than any of the five BCS conferences. The Pac-12 is performing significantly worse than 2009-10, when the conference champion (Cal) only earned an 8 seed in the tournament. We were all pretty sure that that year was the absolute nadir of west-coast basketball, but we might have been wrong. Let's hope things get better quick.
Next Week
On Friday let the lulz-fest begin in Eugene, when Oregon and UCLA take the field for what should be a forever-unique edition of the Pac-12 title game. But what about basketball? Here's the upcoming schedule:
Tuesday:
Arizona at New Mexico St.
UTEP at Oregon
Wednesday:
Colorado at Colorado St.
Grambling St. at Washington St.
USC at UC Riverside
Thursday:
Stanford at Seattle
Friday:
Washington at Nevada
Saturday:
USC at Minnesota
Arizona St. at Tulsa
Utah at Fresno St.
Texas at UCLA
Oregon at BYU
Northern Arizona at Arizona
Eastern Washington at Washington
Sunday:
Cal at San Diego St.
NC State at Stanford
Montana at Oregon St.
Mostly matchups against schedule fodder, which would mean easy wins most seasons. This year? Cal at SDSU, Oregon at BYU and Texas at UCLA are obvious tough matchups, but New Mexico St. and NC State could give Arizona and Stanford a solid test. Look for USC to get killed by Minnesota. Mostly, just hope I don't need to break out the blunder headline again.
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One coach has been fired and rumors are running rampant that three more will follow them within the next few weeks.
Just how long ago did you write this?
Are we allowed to laugh at UCLA even though they beat us by 17?
Yes. Yes we can. We can especially laugh at Uclol fans and the delightful manner in which they are conducting themselves with regards to their football program.
In other news, is it just me, or does anyone else see the furd as not being nearly as all-powerful as the media would like us to believe? No doubt they are good, but there isn’t any sort of Godzilla-like quality about them that breathless fellators seem to say.
And big congratulations to the Buffs for getting off the road schneid.
Being an Old Blue means embracing the "meh".
ha!
Yeah, I wrote that section Sunday night! It’s been updated.
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by norcalnick on Nov 29, 2011 12:25 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Are we allowed to laugh at UCLA even though they beat us by 17?
Absolutely!
Just prepare a response if you are wearing your Bear wear. And we can probably continue laughing for a little while, unlike Michigan fans. Yikes.
Live for the moment, I say. Carpe Diem, eat, drink, be merry, whatever, and remind yourself that the it’s the finish – and how you performed against your rival – is more important than one lousy non-divisonal road game mid season. Sort of.
Do we still play Ohio State next year? Or did that all go to the crapper?
Do we still play Ohio State next year?
Yes. September 15, 2012 in Columbus.
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Well, that didn't take long...
Paul Wulff has been fired as head coach of the Washington State football team, several media outlets reported Tuesday.
Marshawn Lynch would drive a cart around the field after the game to celebrate your mode and its beastliness, sir.
by thebusinessbear on Nov 29, 2011 11:55 AM PST reply actions
That's a pity.
I feel he deserved at least one more year. The team was ravaged by injuries.
by puresilence on Nov 29, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Will Matt Barkley stay or will he go?
He’ll go. 2nd best QB in the draft in a year in which many teams (Indy, Seattle, Miami to name a few) are looking for QBs? Yea it’s a good time to leave.
Will the NCAA grant UCLA a bowl waiver?
Hell no
How hot is Mike Riley’s seat entering 2012?
Should be the hottest seat of 2012 now that Wulff is gone.
Are those the only questions?
In other words, Go Bears!
How hot is Mike Riley’s seat entering 2012?Should be the hottest seat of 2012 now that Wulff is gone.
Yeah, I think that is correct. But honestly, I wouldn’t expect his seat to be very warm at all, even if it is the hottest in the conference. One bad year that had a lot to do with injury and loss of talent probably won’t be held too hard against Riley. That said, OSU’s performance next year could really geek up the temperature come 2013.
Being an Old Blue means embracing the "meh".
I didn’t say it was Neuweasel hot but it is hot enough that he’s gotta be uncomfortable. If he has another losing season again, barring injuries, he’s gone.
In other words, Go Bears!
I agree with j.lee – barring a complete Holmoe-esque season next year I think Riley comes back again – only with very little wiggle room remaining.
Being an Old Blue means embracing the "meh".
yeah, it’s bad, but his overall record is pretty good. oregon state really hasn’t had a good run like they’ve had over the past few years, so i think he’s bought himself some time. if it looks like they’re sliding back to 80s/90s Oregon St. football, he won’t around to see the end of his current contract.
Waiver
Will the NCAA grant UCLA a bowl waiver?
Hell no
Why hell no? I think they have a good case to make. They’d be 6-7, but you could say they “lost” bowl eligibility by no fault of their own. Without the 13th game, they’re bowl eligible. They didn’t ask for the 13th game; they’re playing an extra game because of the sanctions against the team that should have been in the game. They are a sacrificial offering to the Ducks, of sorts. And without Ucla being bowl eligible, the Pac-12 is unable to fill a bowl slot that it otherwise would have filled.
If ever a team has a good shot to get the waiver, I think it’s them. (Assuming, of course, they don’t shock the universe and end up in the [shudders] Rose Bowl.)
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I think theyll get a waiver if the bowls cant fill up their slots with Pac12 teams.
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More BCS oddities
If UCLA wins, they go to the Rose Bowl at 7-6 (hypothetically, but not realistically). Alabama is theoretically the 3rd place team in the SEC and they could play in the NCG.
I just think that their losses at Utah and the 50-0 blow out at USC might show to the NCAA that they are not deserving for a waiver
In other words, Go Bears!
They dont care about wins and losses. They care about storylines and $$$$.
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The bowls.
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Do you believe that the NCAA and the bowls don’t work in concert?
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“Sucky team loses their sucky coach, and in a shock to everyone everyone, sucks.”
Even I can’t spin it…
The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 29, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Ya, but comparing UCLA to some toads rando mid major. Wouldn’t the bowl much rather have UCLA than Wichita State or some such thing.
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“Gutsy mid major shows moxie and spunk in standing up to well heeled BCS foe….”
The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 29, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
“Gutsy mid major brings a fraction of the fans UCLA does. Less money received.”
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lol yep this
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by atomsareenough on Nov 30, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think those losses are irrelevant for waiver purposes, honestly. If they weren’t forced to play the 13th game, they’d be bowl eligible with those losses. It’d be different if they played a 13th game of their own accord (e.g., playing at Hawaii) or if they were in the ASU situation last year (something they could have theoretically controlled). Then, I think the denial of a waiver would be more of a no-brainer.
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I think it would be hilarious if they got to the Rose Bowl… it would just be so utterly absurd it would be great.
It’s worth noting that there are currently more bowl eligible teams than their are bowl slots. Dunno how that will play into things.
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If that is the case, then I dont think UCLA gets the waiver. What are the bowl eligible teams agin?
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Yes, in alphabetical and geographic order (from north to south, and east to west)
Being an Old Blue means embracing the "meh".
No. Bowl eligible Pac-12 teams. That’s what I think the focus is here.
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Not necessarily. It’s the NCAA that would grant a waiver, not the Pac-12. But there are six bowl eligible Pac-12 teams for seven bowl games (except furd will go to the BCS so two Pac-12 bowls won’t have Pac-12 teams).
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Wouldnt the NCAA, Pac-12, and bowls want more Pac-12 teams then???
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Don't forget Sark
How hot is Mike Riley’s seat entering 2012?
Should be the hottest seat of 2012 now that Wulff is gone.
Yeah, he beat USC and sort of kind of turned the program around from its historic lows… but UW fans are not used to a bunch of break evenish seasons.
Sark is still winning including against (one of) it’s rivals, as opposed to the losing seasons endured by OSU.
In other words, Go Bears!
Their bigger rival is Oregon… an he aint winning against them. and this year Oregon State. I am not saying he is on the hot seat next year, but another 6-6 or 7-5 year will get that talk going.
Now that I know how old you are (or aren’t) you may not realize how spoiled Washington fans are and just what a long and glorious run they had, even as recently as this 2000 going to the Rose Bowl and finishing ranked 4th… They are not a patient fanbase.
Derek Johnson is an idiot.
I don’t know why he thinks anyone would be interested in reading that book.
I'm not sure what you are talking about.
There are those who are frustrated with Nick Holt, but everyone I know and all of the blogs and boards I frequent are really happy with the job Sark has done and thinks the program is on an upswing. This year went better than most expected, and there’s every reason to expect next year to be better.
And don’t worry, our wins against Cal make up for losing to OSU :)
6-6 next year would raise some eyebrows.
I don’t see any way that Sark doesn’t make it through 2013 at least. Even with a losing season next year he would still get a chance in 2013.
by UW11Bowdown on Nov 29, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
How are UW fans dealing with the mini-swoon at the end of the season there?
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Most people seem to understand the losses to Stanford, Oregon, and USC.
There are some who are pretty upset about how lopsided they were, and I can understand that.
No one was happy about the loss to OSU, but the fact that Price didn’t play and there were some plays that were simply execution errors (ASJ dropped an 80 yard TD pass when he was wide open) has kept most of that heat off of Sark.
The Apple Cup win helped settle everyone down. If we play well in a bowl game everyone will be happy. If we give up 50 points a majority of people will probably want Nick Holt fired.
Fairfield is actually a decent team
They have upset potential in March if they get the right matchup.
While the Pac-10 is bad this year, part of what cost it a few years ago is that it had virtually no good nonconference wins at all. Counterintuitively, you’re much better off with the Selection Committee if you have a combination of good wins and bad losses than if you have a combination of bad wins and good losses. OSU beating Texas is already better than any nonconference win the conference recorded in 2009 (outside, perhaps, of USC, which was postseason-banned).
There’s a whole month of non-conference games left, and a fair number of opportunities for the six (or seven if UCLA can get its act together) decent teams to score more big wins:
Cal @ UNLV
Oregon @ BYU
Virginia @ Oregon
Washington vs. Marquette
Washington vs. Duke
Texas @ UCLA
Arizona @ Florida
Clemson @ Arizona
Arizona @ Gonzaga
and of course there are plenty of meat-and-potatoes profile games like Butler @ Stanford, too. I’m only counting the real resume-builders here.
USC also could get right back into the swing of things if they have a good December (matchups against Minnesota, New Mexico, Kansas and Georgia).
Yes, November went about as badly as anyone could possibly have feared, but all is not (yet) lost.
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Our center just broke his foot.
We’re boned.
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HAHAHAHA
Sorry, but I thought you were talking about football, and I thought “why does that matter, they aren’t going to a bowl game? He’ll have plenty of time to heal” But seriously, sorry about your basketball center.
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