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How Low Can You Go? Cal - UCLA Report Card 10.29.11

Many of you forgot what your mom used to say.  BTown85 remembered.  BTown85 can remind us right now:

BTown85 - If you can't say something nice....

Yes, many of you forgot to not say anything at all, no matter how nice your comments may be.  We had dozens and dozens and dozens of responses from you guys.  We really appreciate all the comments, whether they are negative or positive.  You especially had thoughts about pass offense and run defense.  Not unexpected.

Personally, I try to be reasonable in my criticisms.  I try not to be harsh, but it's tough after a game like Saturday's game.  I mean I don't want to be mean, but I'm not sure that all the players were giving 110%.  I feel bad saying that, like I'm just angrily lashing out.  But, seriously, it's that last 10% that really does it!  I hope I'm not off base here.  Hope I'm not rude, but I'm just gotta say that I think UCLA wanted it more.  I hope I don't turn people off with my extreme views and harsh rhetoric when I say that UCLA's passion bucket was just plain fuller.  Fuller!  I have so much self-loathing right now saying all of these things.  

Well, the team doesn't need me dragging through the mud with these cruel allegations.  Nobody cares what I think anyway.  Let's see what you guys thoughts!  Berkelium97 crunched the numbers, so we can see what your grades were.  See all that and your comments after the jump.  GO BEARS!

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Category
Average Score
Standard Deviation

Pass Offense

.114
.130
Rush Offense
.375
.237
Pass Defense
.436
.266
Rush Defense
.135
.171
Special Teams
.395
.251
Coaching
.152
.192
Overall
.121
.143
Win likelihood vs WSU
.378 (-44.7%)
.268

Berkelium97: We had a large number of submissions this week.  Boy, were you guys (and gals) mad!

Usually when we have a score as low as the pass offense score, there's a large standard deviation which indicates that there was a larger variation in scores.  Typically there are moderate scores to balance out the extremely low ones.  Not this time: there was no argument that the passing game was even worse than we could possibly have imagined.

There's really not a whole lot to say: nearly every phase of the game was abysmal.

Our confidence that we will beat the Cougs is plummeting.  It fell nearly 45%!  

 

We have a couple editor's choice awards this week:

Captain of the Belotti Bandwagon

This award goes to cjwethers, whose grade in every category was "HIRE MIKE BELOTTI!!!"

UUUUUUUUU Award

This award goes to royrules22, who gave the Bears an F in every category.  Ultimately, his ballot resembled something like "FFFFFFFF" (along with a 0 for chance of beating the Cougs).

Next we have the usual set of awards, the Old Blues and Tedford's Sunshine Pumpers.  In past years, I have deleted report cards that were all 0s, as they typically were not meant to be taken seriously.  Not this week: I kept them all and you all earn an award!

The Sunshine Pumpers were clearly so intoxicated during the game that they only remember the first quarter.

 

Tedford's Sunshine Pumpers
Net Score, Percentage
1. Cugel
3.92, 56.0%
2. heckyeah
3.85, 55.0%
3. Swamphunter
3.75, 53.6%
4. DrBeeper
3.70, 52.9%
5. Koalaballa
3.53, 50.4%
Old Blues Net Score, Percentage
1. SoCalOski
0.00, 0.0%
1. AERose 0.00, 0.0%
1. uclol
0.00, 0.0%
1. Coach Terdford
0.00, 0.0%
1. f
0.00, 0.0%
1. GC
0.00, 0.0%
1. mistergarth
0.00, 0.0%

1. UnhappyBlue

0.00, 0.0%


 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 


 

 

The Voice of Reason Total Deviation
1. sacman701
.061
2. FromCtoShining(Blue)C
.089
3. BTown85
.092
4. 1988goldenbear .095
5. puresilence

.102

 

Next up we have The Voice of Reason for those whose scores most accurately reflect the group scores.

FromCtoShining(Blue)C is becoming a regular in this award category.

 

 

 

Now let's hear your thoughts on Saturday's game.  Lots of sadness, lots of frustration.  Thankfully, we all know that feel, bro. Let's hug it out.

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Gameday Experience

Redonkulous Bear - "This game was much like CharDee McDennis... The game of games.

These are the levels a team progresses through to win CharDee McDennis: 

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via i.imgur.com

Level 1
Mind: Trivia, puzzles and artistry.
Level 2
Body: Physical challenge, pain and endurance.
Level 3
Spirit: Emotional battery and public humiliation
"


Coach Terdford - We Cal Bears totally fucking suck ass!! That coaching (HA! HA!) was a total disgrace to the University. How much longer do we alums need to put up with a 3 million dollar coach putting out this kind of shit.

1988goldenbear - Beautiful day at the Rose Bowl for my first Cal game of the year! Beautiful start with the score after the fumble. All downhill after that. Walk of shame back to the car.

Oaklandish Bear - Flew down for my annual pilgrimage to see 1988goldenbear and cheer on the Bears. Great weather for what was supposed to be a great game. Had a nightmare that it was Sep. 17, 2010 and I was in Reno, only to realize I wasn't asleep. What a horror to see the same result on the field.

iVinishe - Projected the game in a classroom in Dwinelle. Thanks to PRD74 for the stream.

JerrotWillard45 - "I'll try to make you chuckle:

Watched the beginning, saw us go up on Prince's self-fumble. Felt hopeful (first sign of doom!) and even smug. Had guests for dinner, so taped it and enjoyed dinner.

At 9pm, went and started up DVR. First interception occurs. Feeling disconcerted. Fooled around with DVR and accidentally switched to live TV for one second. Was tuned to ABC's ""after the game"" and in the one second heard the words ""threw 4 interceptions to the UCLA defense"". Stabbed at remote to get away before I heard more.

You've got to be kidding me. There I am, in the first half, having only seen one INT, and I have to watch the rest of the game knowing that 3 more are coming. And wondering if there is some way we might have won in spite of that?

Tragically, as game unfolded, I realized there was less and less and time to squeeze 3 INTs in. Even knowing they were coming, and how many of them did not ease the pain.

Dazed and stunned, I watched the $C/Furd epic on fast forward. Felt happiness on Luck's INT which almost took away any NCG hopes, and then was re-crushed when they pulled it out in 3OT.

Good news: my boss, Furd fan, bet me $1 that Furd would beat $C by 3 touchdowns. I get $1 on Monday!

Bad news: he gets to rub my face in the fUCLA debacle. "


rising4air - Stayed home; saw this one coming...

crystallograbear - I spent a lovely morning in Boston with my girlfriend, eating brunch at the classy Thinking Cup cafe. Then around 6 pm it started snowing! I haven't been outside yet in the snow, because when it started snowing I was inside making pasta and pork chops for dinner. I forget what I did after dinner, but I'm sure it wasn't as good as that pasta.

CalJeff - Thank goodness for my DVR so I could skip through the end of the 4th quarter an ignore UCLA's last touchdown

calas - "I would give Anger an ""A"" and KA21 a ""B"". The rest of rest of the team a ""F-""!

How could we look so crappy to a TERRIBLE team! fucla beside being bad then looses SIX players and still kick or butts???

The D sucked with the O Line!!! Others also but I don't want to call out names on the Bears. You know who they are tho."

npyoung35 - Terrible. Turned it off after pick #4 and had the pleasure of watching my 'Furd-alum "friend" enjoy Unfrozen Caveman Quarterback's 4Q/OT charge. Barf.

superguy - While enjoying a sunny day at the Rose Bowl with Supergal and the Bears up 7-0, Mars Callaghan of WSOP 2011 and Pool Junkies fame bought the section a flat of lemonade! If only I could forget what was to come...

KoalaBalla - There was so many UCLA fans. In every direction. I hate them.

ososdeoro - Why go to LA when you can have 75 degree weather here?

beson - I should have known that is was going to be a bad day when we got a flat tire on the way to the game. Instead of getting to the official tailgate at 1:30, we got there at 3. Needless to say, I was not a happy camper. The game did not help.

goldblooded - i hate ucla


cjwethers - HIRE MIKE BELOTTI!!!

 

 

 

Pass Offense

 

Willis Chong - I long for the days of bad Riley. At least we won those games. And at least bad Riley missed everybody. Bad Maynard only misses our guys, and throws very accurate balls to the other team.

f - F

GB4188 - I would have liked to give a negative score, because it seems that Cal deciding to pass is more likely to benefit the opposition than the Bears.

NKicker - Does Maynard know that you shouldn't throw the ball 3 times to the same guy?! He vindicated himself against but he absolutely threw up all over himself in this game. He then ate that puke and puked all over himself again.

sacman701 - Maynard continues to have the same issues he's had all year. He locks onto receivers, throws ill-advised passes, and in frequently inaccurate. The first pick was a classic example, he locked onto Allen and threw a bad ball into coverage. I couldn't tell whether the second one was on him or Miller, as Miller never looked for the ball. The third was poorly thrown but it looked to me like it was mostly on Allen. The fourth was no big deal as it was in garbage time but still was an inaccurate throw.

CalJeff - Can someone remind Maynard that one some weekends, he DOESN'T throw it to the guys in blue shirts?

Crazedfan - Maynard cannot be allowed to continue to play. He single-handedly lost the game against USC and then lost this one. In these two games, he has been responsible for 9 turnovers. I never thought one player could have so much of an impact, positive or negative on any single game. This was an extremely winnable game and Maynard simply gave it away.

AuNBear - Maynard makes extremely poor decisions during critical times during the game. He doesn't learn from his mistakes. He continues to throw into double coverage. The interceptions thrown in the second half reminded me of those thrown by Ayoob and Longshore. These turnovers were truly demoralizing. Maynard should be given the starting job. Maynard should only be used as a sub for Bridgford when a change of pace is needed or if there is an injury. Maynard has had enough chances. We cannot afford to lose another game to a team with a losing record.

Unhappy Blue - Maynard lost the game for us. His 4 interceptions and fumbled hand-off killed us. We cannot afford to have Maynard lose another game. He has had good moments, but his turnovers killed any positives he may have achieved. Maynard needs to be benched. It is time to see what Bridgford can do. It can't be any worse than Maynard. Tedford usually benches running backs if they fumble. Maynard had his chances, it's time for a change. Bridgford deserves a chance.

 

cjwethers - HIRE MIKE BELOTTI!!!

 

Run Offense

 

achar2008 - "Sofele is good. So is CJA. It is worrying though that we can't pound the ball in 3rd and 1 type situations. This run offense would work well on a team with a semblance of a passing threat to more than one receiver.

Also, this offense has no identity. They clearly aren't a downhill power running offense (See short yardage issues) and they clearly don't have the game changing speed (which is why I feel JT wants Bigelow to run more). "


puresilence - Decent. Sofele shows good promise running to the edges.

JABear - Sofele had some nice runs, but yeah... If you can't tell I'm kind of speechless. There is not much insight to be had from this game.

PistolPreet - Isi looked good at time, but CJ and Brandon did not

storky - "I liked Isi's TD run in the first Q, and Maynard had a few nice runs. Maybe Maynard can become a backup runner when he's replaced. Ha, I kid, Tedford won't pull Maynard.

Also, what's with all the option runs to the short side of the field? I don't understand!"

IEastCoastBears - Will Sofele ever break a long one alas Best or Vereen? Why do our RBs keep running right into blockers so often?

 


Pass Defense

 

rising4air - Huh?

oskiwow - Limited Kevin Prince to under 100 yards, which is good. Part of those are more on UCLA's receivers than our pass defense though, also that Kevin Prince only needed to throw 18 times. Didn't think Marc Anthony did well enough to warrant all the taunting by him, mostly to Rosario.

f - F

the beer - Bridgford please

MPeters10 - The few times UCLA threw the ball, we made it easy for them. Sean Cattouse is terrible...he stands out as utterly useless on a team full of incompetent and useless players.

PistolPreet - No pressure on QB = No TOs

achar2008 - "Really should have been better seeing as UCLA had 3 wideouts total. I know that pass offense suffers when the pistol running game is working but come on.. I'd expect our corners to be able to work on islands on their ""WRs"".

Have fun when Marquess Wilson and Jared Karstatter come to town. "

beson - I don't remember. We were too busy getting gashed.

IEastCoastBears - The way our run defense is failing against the pistol, there is no much need for the pass defense.

 

 

Run Defense

 

1988goldenbear - Looked like Nevada all over again. Did we learn nothing from last year? Apparently so. Prince sure looked good, as did their RB's. Not sure why we didn't load the box, put a spy on Prince, and dared him to throw.

iVinishe - On at least 3/4 of the plays, I see 11 (Cattouse) go flying for a tackle...and miss. and Prince or Coleman or whomever goes off for another 15 yards. On other occasions, I'll see Cattouse fly in and make contact... and just fall off.

FrankCohen - SHITTY. REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SHITTY.

FromCToShining(Blue) - WTF?! Prince goes for 165 yards on the ground? We knew they were going to run and we still couldn't stop him. Seemed like there were an infinite number of missed tackles even when we did get to the ball carrier. There were a few stops for losses but overall, that was just a pathetic effort.

calas - Did we have any???

sycasey - HAY GUYZ, you think maybe PRINCE might keep it?!

texashaterforlife - "did not know Kendricks was suspeneded for a Qrtr, until he came in. That still does not explain the total disfunction against the pistol that I saw (especially with our recent experience). I expected the young OLBs to get tricked into crashing down to the RB, but where was the experienced ILBs tackling Prince? The first fumble by UCLA's QB was a fluke and should have been a big run. Worse yet, I saw a QB out juke an ILB and a safety for a big run. UCLA's O-Line was playing like they had nothing else to lose. Their attitude really showed on getting the intital push when they ran straight up the middle.
I've been told Cal opens next season at home against Nevada. Nevada will have a 2nd year QB and Cal will have new ILBs. I'm not so sure it is going to be the opening day experience I want it to be. I hope Cal can prove me wrong."

 

Special Teams

 

cjwethers - HIRE MIKE BELOTTI!!!

puresilence - Anger is great as always, but our punt return coverage is abysmal. Giorgio missing that fg doesn't help either.

hardtobeacalfan - anger had a couple of good punts but we had poor field position all day. and tavecchio seems to missed the FG at crucial moments. our return and coverage is consistently terrible.

mpeters10 - Did y'all notice that Tavecchio did his stupid high five on that kick he missed? And he wasn't even going to look back if not for the UCLA guy telling him he missed. What a moron.


storky - The missed FG was ultimately meaningless. The fumble recovery was nice off the punt muff. Special teams didn't lose nor win the game, so bleh, who cares?

fuzzywuzzy - Once again, the punter had the best performance (except Allen). 0-1 for field goals, we really needed those 3 extra points

bigdruid - "Brilliant move by the coaching staff to try to take their kicker out of the game early. Locke is really the heart and soul of their special teams squads, and our only chance to match up with them was to keep him on the sidelines. Unfortunately, as the announcers repeatedly pointed out, Locke's superhuman courage and tolerance for pain allowed him to channel his righteous anger into repeated kicks out of the endzone.

Which is all for the best, because I shudder to think what might have happened at the hands of this angry titan had we tried to actually return one of these kicks. I'm satisfied that we were able to escape the Rose Bowl without significant injury."

Californication - Bryan Anger was awesome. Tavecchio missed an important field goal. Our return game is really lacking.

 

Coaching

 

Jacobs - "Fire Tedford and hire some random blogger from the Californiagoldenblogs. Here is my hypothesis: Tedford is worthless in coaching quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers was potentially the best QB in college football(ever) and even Tedford could not hold him down.The last five years have been a study in QB's that get progressively worse as time goes by. Ok, so we cant afford to fire Tedford. Fine. Try to play a different QB every time so they dont get coached to pieces.
"


AuNBear - Tedford needs to realize that the season is on the brink. If he doesn't replace Maynard he will lose the team and the fan's support. The decisions he makes during the next week will be his most important during his tenure. He cannot afford another loss to a team with a losing record.

the beer - Bridgford please

ronp_sf - "Seriously disappointed. I spent the majority of my life somewhat neutral. Became a Cal football fan after getting my MBA at Haas. I don't like being a fan. I used to enjoy critiquing the game somewhat dispassionately. Now, I care and it sucks. It sucks, because I am not going to sit here and fault the kids. I am going to fault the coaches for not preparing the kids. That's what happened and has happened way too much lately.
Coach Tedford, you may not like to view us alums as part of your football family. But, we are part of the Cal football family. You are not only letting us extended members down, but you are letting down the kids on the team. You are not putting together the effort that put them in the best position to succeed. It is disappointing. Please seek help on breaking out of your rut. You are in a deep one."

Oski4Heisman - I got $100 on Tedford's buyout.

Crazedfan - Jeff Tedford was outcoached by Rick Neuheisel. Simply depressing.

JABear - Tedford needs to take a long look in the mirror and get his shit together. Is he just out of touch with his players or something? You can blame Maynard for us losing this game, I'll buy that. But there was pretty poor execution across the board. I didn't see a lot of adjustments; UCLA stuck with their bread and butter and ran it down our throats. I'm no football expert, but did Tedford just get outcoached by Neuheisel?!

Swamphunter - Remember George Cortez? He was the OC and QB coach from 2002 to 2006.

He haven't had consistent success since 2006.

We need him back if we wanna be that successful again. He's with the Buffalo Bills last I checked. Pony up cash to get him back, fire whoever the fuck our current QB coach is, move Coach M to O-line because he has to fix that shit with all of his effort behind it."

UncleSam22 - I've held off on piling on Tedford but this game makes it clear that he's taken Cal as far as he can. I am so appreciative for what he's done for the program, but clearly this team cannot focus, is not tough, and has no identity. There is no fire in them and that rests on Tedford. Give him one more season in the SAHPC and then send him off as the all-time leader in wins. The time has come and it's clear he is not getting it done.

NKicker - Did the coaches even coach during the week? Tedford's seat just got hotter. At this point I wouldn't care if Coach P went back to the NFL. Embarrassing, simply an embarrassing game.

rising4air - Remember Jim Mora screeching, "Playoffs? Playoffs?"

ResBear - *incoherent*

Truman Hugh - "I have always backed Tedford, especially since this downward began in October 2007, but this game has me seriously wondering if it isn't time to make a change. I am a third generation Golden Bear; we've had season tickets longer than I've been alive. I know Cal's history--and I know what Tedford has done for this program--and it sickens me to think this way. We are mired in mediocrity and I'm beginning to question if Tedford has the ability to lead us out of it.

If we can't beat the depleted train wreck of team that is UCLA--with a coach who is as equally myopic as Tedford when it comes to coaching the talent around him--where are we?"

PistolPreet - One of JTs worst games (and there was many from which I could choose to determine where this one ranks)

 

Overall

 

the beer - Bridgford please

rollonubears111 - "bleh. Tedford needs to leave soon. Sorry, but I don't buy the ""rebuilding year"" when we have so many good recruits. What happened to Mansion in the recent past? What happened to Sweeney? Who are we developing at QB? Why didn't Tedford pull Maynard out after the 3rd INT? Why can't we stop the pistol? It's coaching, it's preparing your team to win.

NKicker - Cal should be forced to refund any fan who went to that "game."

crystallograbear - "The coaches are paid, and therefore, as fans and as alumni of the University, we have a right to see a better performance than this.

The players are not paid, and so I won't complain too much. I think the coaches should be fired and the players should be paid. But after a performance like this, we shouldn't be paying these guys much. Except maybe KA."

HeyAlumniGo - FAIL

Willis Chong - "We can't pass, we can barely run. Our defense seems to regress whenever some good happens the previous week. With this performance, we would be lucky to be 5-7. There's every chance we'll be 4-8 this year. Tedford's going to have a lot of explaining to do to the alumni.

Now excuse me as I drink myself to insensitivity."

uclol - im usually fairly optimistic but this game was TEH SUCK! watching it live at the rose bowl made it doubly depressing - im at a loss for wordsw


ResBear - *incoherent*

Koalaballa - "If our team had a power running game it would be easier on the QB - I don't think there are very many quarterbacks who can just throw throw throw for four quarters and keep going the length of the field all day - the defense is just going to get wise on you. When Maynard kept the ball on the option and ran it up the side of the field, and then Isi also ran it up the side of the field in the 2nd half, it really was obvious that the defense was surprised by that playcall. Unfortunately when we turned the ball over a lot we stopped running those plays. It seems like when Cal is down, the playcalling changes to a point where we are forced to play catch up ball, and our catch up ball play is less efficient than our normal game play.

Cal is just one of those teams that plays well ahead, and terrible from behind. It feels like its the playcalling, but there's probably some youthful element to that too. But if you're calling plays that your players can't execute, then either your players have to learn how to execute better or you just call simpler plays more often.

An armchair approach, but something I think needs to be said."

SoCalOski - "Midway through the first quarter, a trigger was tripped, and I no longer have any emotion regarding this team. I'll probably watch the remaining games, but in the same way I'd watch tv when my wife has her stories on. With considerable disinterest and only the mildest curiosity, being distracted by almost anything.

This was the most completely embarassing, humiliating, revolting loss of Tedford's career, and I honestly am not at all open to hearing any reasons, excuses, or explanations about how it happened. I'm numb and done with this season. I don't care if we win the rest of the games or lose them. There is simply nothing left."

Unhappy Blue - Tedford is losing his staunchest supporters. If Bridgford doesn't start the next game, I will not attend another game until there is a head-coaching change.

mister garth - Embarassing. Pathetic.

superguy - In 12 years of watching the Bears and as many roadtrips to support them in LA, this was the first time I've felt like I may have wasted my time in attending the game =( I know it's an issue of expectations, but I didn't feel this deflated even after the carnage of U$C 2010.

 

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I’m surprised no one mentioned the decision to pass on 3rd and 1 (which led to an interception). That playcall was mind-boggling.

"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach

by Berkelium97 on Nov 2, 2011 8:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the overall game was just so bad that everything just blends together into a big blur of incompetence and it’s hard to remember any one terrible play. Personally I don’t remember how Maynard threw any of those four interceptions, just that there were four.

by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Nov 2, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am normally sympathetic to that argument, but not in this case
if that pass had been completed, 99% of Cal fans probably would have been saying it was a brilliant playcall, right?

On 3rd and a short 1? I disagreed with the decision as soon as it was clear it was a pass.

"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach

by Berkelium97 on Nov 2, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I first saw it, I was really irritated.

On the re-watch, I noticed that we got stuffed repeatedly on 3rd and short early in the game. That might have influenced later playcalling in similar situations.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Nov 2, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is a good point too. As I noted in my post-game thoughts, our run game was so bad even CJ i-break-every-tackle-and-can-run-through-walls Anderson got stuffed on TWO (yes, two!!!) short yardage plays. And this is definitely something which the Cal offensive coaches notice. They keep track of which plays they call and the results. Plays which work get checked off for re-use. Plays which don’t are usually avoided, and/or coaches build off of those plays by calling deception plays (playaction, reverse, etc.).

by HydroTech on Nov 2, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

This would have been a good playcall if Maynard was good at all at throwing on short-down situations.

But he’s not. And UCLA knew this.

by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 2, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if I buy this. If he can run the play, he can run the play, it shouldn’t matter what the down/distance situation is, beyond how that influences the D.

"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded

by atomsareenough on Nov 2, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

How our O-line was manhandled by a depleted Bruin D-line is a complete mystery to me. This whole game was like something out of the Twilight Zone.

"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach

by Berkelium97 on Nov 2, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the lack of push by the Oline combined with Maynard’s inaccuracy = gimped offense.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Nov 2, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there might have been the possibility that if we hadn’t converted, we might have gone for it on 4th and 1.

by iVinshe on Nov 2, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

I like forcing the other team to have to defend against a pass on 3rd and short. However, you gotta have a check-down that you can hit reliably and not force a low percentage pass down the field. Either you have an open man + easy pass or you check down and get that first down.

I think it comes down to this: Maynard is a lot more confident in his passing than he should be. He is just not accurate from the pocket.

by freshfunk on Nov 2, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

In some ways, it’s like that controversial 4th and short call the other year when Bellichick went for it, dialed up a pass, and it fell incomplete. It looked like an awful decision. But statistically, it was a good call.

In other ways, um…this wasn’t Brady trying to throw to Welker.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Nov 2, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The failure was in it being a pocket pass with what looked like a one-and-done option. Like, if that first guy isn’t open, the play is over unless you have wonderful blocking. If we’d called some kind of rollout play where Maynard has the option to run for it, that might have been better.

by sycasey on Nov 2, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

ah…now I see why Cugel doesn’t like my posts…….LOL

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 8:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Nothing personal, man. I will say I don’t the conspiracy theory stuff, because like all conspiracy theories, they’re impossible to either prove or disprove, and seem to be a waste of time.

Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

by Cugel on Nov 2, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I gotcha and I’m not asking about it anymore…but I’m not the one who said it was true…I was only asking questions and looking at behaviors…..it’s a done deal for me…thanks for clarifying…

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s all good, man. I hope you don’t take it personal when people question you or poke a little fun. It’s kind of status quo around here. Just because someone disagrees doesn’t make them right and you wrong, or immediately polarizes one of you as friend/foe, or nega/sunshine.

We all like having you around and hope you keep posting.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Nov 2, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Happy 50th Birthday Coach Tedford....

…regardless of other matters, I hope your family, friends and team do something special for you today….

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope your family, friends and team do something special for you today….

Send him a highlight reel entitled “What a Quarterback Should Do” of elite quarterbacks completing passes?
Snarkiness aside, Happy 50th to JT. Hope it’s a good one

by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Nov 2, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is a lot of spankings!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Twist my friend….I supplied those links you requested back on the fanshot of about Zach starting against WSU…. these were the Spring reports supplied by kcal9 who was pretty good at his observations…..thanks, have a great day.

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I just saw that and commented in that thread. Thank you.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Happy 50th Coach!!!

Hope we get this thing turned around and we’ll be wishing you a happy 60th in 10 years as coach!!! Go Bears!!!

Bring back the Pac-10!!!

by calas on Nov 2, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was so upset after the game

that I couldn’t bring myself to fill out a report card. I think I would have said something that I would have regretted.

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by golden oso on Nov 2, 2011 9:57 AM PDT reply actions  

i started one

but didn’t finish because i just kept swearing. It was a fucking shitty game, and a fucking asshole of a day.

I am THE DOOMBRINGER. We Are Cal.

by ManBearCal on Nov 2, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I kept putting it off, because I was waiting for myself to form rational analysis.

I’m still waiting.

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Nov 2, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

My not-so-irrational hope

That the horrendous losses to the LA schools will spark a turnaround in the team. A lot of the reason why they did so miserably is because of execution and mental errors. Hopefully they can clean those up after the shock of losing to fUCLA.

by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Nov 2, 2011 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

This is my hope too. Tedford did say that the team took things pretty hard (quotes about how the flight back was the quietest he’s ever heard; Guyton saying this was a “wake up call”). Maybe Cal can win its next two games and upset Arizona State. A win over Arizona State could off-set this loss to UCLA. Cal would be 7-5 and things would be looking a little less DOOM.

by HydroTech on Nov 2, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

sigh. one can only hope.

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by hardtobecalfan on Nov 2, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hydro…I know I’ve been more critical lately, maybe more so then I should but why do they keep needing a “wake up” call?.. I would have thought the USC game was a wake up call…..I think good teams have a killer instinct from the “get go” and it is instilled by coaches, leaders on the team etc….I know I’ll never get these answers but their actions as a team, coaches and players together don’t back up their words…. I wish there was a magical cure to all this but it looks increasingly like nobody has the answers….oh well, love my Bears either way….root for them regardless….GO BEARS !!!!

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I think the USC game is different from the UCLA game primarily for the fact that USC is an extremely talented team, whereas the UCLA team is not on a comparable level. Thus, losing to USC isn’t really a wake up call because they have more more-talented players. On the other hand, losing to UCLA is sort of a wake up call because Cal lost to a team with less talented players.

by HydroTech on Nov 2, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, that’s true….I see what you mean….in that case I wish we would have had that UCLA loss earlier in the season….LOL….that way we’d have woken up with more games left…….sigh…

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d disagree that the USC game was not a wake-up call. Losing was kind of expected, since USC was favored to win after all, but it’s the way that we lost that is significant. We were completely inept on the offensive side of the ball, and couldn’t get anything going. You can argue that USC had more talent, but to score the least amount of points to date against their D is a clear indication of just how much trouble our offense is in. Hell, even Arizona dropped 41 points on USC. Then again, they did blow out UCLA, who then soundly beat us…

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

8 Straight Losses

To any team in any sport should serve as a wake up call. Any loss where you have a lead at halftime, yet lose by 4 touchdowns should serve as a wake up call.
Winners don’t need a wake up call to obsess over how to be better and win more. They need sleeping pills to get some rest because they are so consumed by each step on the path to their goal.
I haven’t seen that since early 2007, and we are trending away from it rather than towards our goal.

by DancingBear96 on Nov 3, 2011 2:27 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

+1 on there should be no need for wake up call.

 What are they waking up from? Were they dreaming that they were a great team whose every opponent would merely lay down and give them their Bak Bak given right to a win?
It’s very difficult to imagine that anyone on this team had that in mind on that fateful Saturday.

So I ask again, what are they waking up from?

by YleeXOtee on Nov 2, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, considering how listless the offense looked during the UCLA game (Miller half-jogging his one of his routes comes to mind), I think that they were beginning to think of themselves as a really good team who could sleepwalk their way through the UCLA game and win. I think that’s what they needed waking up in

by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Nov 2, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES

I’m still upset at Miller. He cost us a pick for not even wanting to look for the ball when it was thrown at him.

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Nov 2, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair...

I think he did look for the ball, just over the right shoulder instead of the left. I don’t know if that was miscommunication, a bad throw, or all on miller.

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think what irks me more

Was the lack of effort that he seemed to display there. My memory of that exact play is fading (thank God) but I seem to remember him sorta, not-really running his route. Not what I want to see out of any player on the team.

by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Nov 2, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It did look like a pretty bad throw, as well.

by sycasey on Nov 2, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't remember if it was the pick

but I remember a pass to him that seemed to reach him before he turned around. Based on the pressure on the pocket, it looked like Maynard might have thrown the pass early in order to avoid the sack.

by freshfunk on Nov 2, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, my thought as well.

Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

by Cugel on Nov 2, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dunno

But many past Cal teams have played like they expected to beat teams that were really peers of theirs and then were shocked when the opponent came with more heart than they planned on. When it happens this often, I think that’s a sign that our coach isn’t doing a good job of moderating his team’s mental state (which backs up what he recently said about having no idea of what to expect from his team from week to week).

by Yogi Bear on Nov 2, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, I understand. Sometimes I think that Kodiak is gonna bust out an amazing Tuesday morning analysis post and then he just put up “CAL NO PLAY GUD” and all the people are saying I should bench him and put Cugel in his place.

But if you knew what I knew about Cugel, you’d be happy with anything Kodiak posted! Anything!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

You used to be a QBlogger Guru, now look at you.

by YleeXOtee on Nov 2, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m so ashamed. I tried to publish my 30-page analysis showing how by feeding facial recognition and body language through an iPhone app, we could determine individual player’s motivation, desire, and emotional status…but it accidentally posted on BN instead.

It’s a good thing Hydro is my brother!

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by Kodiak on Nov 2, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a good thing Hydro is my brother!

pqtm

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by atomsareenough on Nov 2, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Half-brother.

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by CalBear81 on Nov 3, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

What is this. I don’t even

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Nov 2, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Just to be clear, most of my intro was a joke. As I stated in another thread, it was the juxtaposition between my seemingly genuine clothes rending over being too “harsh” coupled with the platitudes and cliches like “110%” and “wanted it more.”

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

3. Swamphunter

Are you serious bro.

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by Swamphunter on Nov 2, 2011 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Update on starting QB

per Ryan Gorcey…..

RGBearTerritory Ryan Gorcey
Maynard is the starter, period, says tedford. Bridgford has taken a few more 1 reps, but that’s the only change

Link

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

also….

Aaron tipoti, Chris mccain were in yellow

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wished Maynard luck at the basketball game yesterday.

He smiled and said thanks.

(More fodder for the pseudopsychologists to analyze about Maynard’s psyche!)

I think he’ll do well this weekend though.

by iVinshe on Nov 2, 2011 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

was he sitting with other FB players? I know Josh Hill and Keenan were there as well

no bear, no care

by EchoOfSilence on Nov 2, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

He walked down The Bench during halftime. Where do they normally sit?

by iVinshe on Nov 2, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were sitting (YES SITTING!) in the student section between the main student section (which was STANDING) and the Band. Our team is nationally ranked, we can’t fill our own student section and people are sitting. Not full for exhibition I get, but sitting in the Student Section I don’t like a damn bit.

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by Joe Bandsmen on Nov 2, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best.Response.Ever.....Not.
RGBearTerritory Ryan Gorcey
Tedford says there isn’t a qb in the nation who hasn’t thrown a pick in response to questions about maynards’s accuracy

I wonder if there isn’t a qb in the nation who hasn’t thrown 7 picks to 1 td in the last 3 weeks….

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

BUT BUT BUT

The game had started to slow down for him! Then it sped back up! Now it might slow down again!!!!

I am THE DOOMBRINGER. We Are Cal.

by ManBearCal on Nov 2, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, Tedford just walked into that one.

by slaphancock on Nov 2, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

More importantly, is there a QB (not in the nation) but on the team who will not throw 7 INT/1 TD in the next 3 weeks?

by YleeXOtee on Nov 2, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

In all seriousness, only 6 QB’s in the nation have more picks than ZM with over 10….JT probably should have passed on that answer….

QB interception stats

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahaha………….

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAhaha..ha…ha…ha… * cry *

by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Nov 2, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s 7 more completions!

by puresilence on Nov 2, 2011 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

No more Okanes

Since J.O. got the shaft, who’s gonna give up the daily poop on Cal?

by manus on Nov 2, 2011 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

wait….what? JO got the shaft?

Jorge's casa no es su casa.

by dballisloose on Nov 2, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

caught up in the planned layoffs by bay area news group.

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s a lot. Ryan at Bear Territory, the official Cal sports blog, and John Breech for CBS sports. Probably someone I’m missing…

by puresilence on Nov 2, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Per Jim McGill aka MoragaBear...
Outside of Keenan, I don’t think the players are very happy with his sticking with Maynard through all the mistakes. They don’t want to hear Maynard ragged on but they want to see Tedford try something different when it’s clearly not working.

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

sycasey….I only posted that because in an earlier thread, I wrote that I thought there was some dissension…now maybe it isn’t all the much but I think Hydro, Kodiak, Twist and Avi trust Jim to know what is going on inside the locker room…. Doesn’t sound like that big a deal at this point, more of frustration to at least TRY another angle..

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

well hopefully this ends all the speculation that a switch to AB will cause a locker room divide. ironically, it seems like maintaining the status quo is on the path to do just that.

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Going along with some of the tweets we’ve seen from players, it does sound like JT is losing the locker room again, though. Just another piece of evidence.

And just like ’07 it seems to stem from decisions made about the QB position.

by sycasey on Nov 2, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m glad you said that instead of me….LOL…I"m getting tired…

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

This definitely sounds like a bad situation is brewing (or has already brewed) in the locker room. That can tear a team apart. :(!!!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure anybody really needed

a quote from MoragaBear to clue into something like this. I think this would be anyone’s natural response.

by freshfunk on Nov 2, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems as though there are several folks on this site

who feel that whichever QB Tedford picks is inherently the best option and that’s good enough for them. If MB’s quote is to be taken at face value (and ultimately, it’s just one other guy’s opinion without direct quotes from the players who supposedly feel this way), there are players (who obviously are at practice just as much as the coaches) who have seen both QB’s a lot and have come to different conclusion about which guy is the “obvious” better QB.

That said, players are not always the best judges of who the best player is. Even if over half the team felt like Bridgford was clearly better than Maynard, that may not be the case. Perhaps some of them not being QB’s themselves don’t have enough appreciation for all of the stuff that the QB has to process outside of just being able to hit his target accurately with the ball once the decision has been made to throw it to that guy.

But face facts. In conference-only statistics, he is either the 11th or 12th highest rated passer out of 12 schools. I can’t tell you which because www.pac-12.org only lists the first 10 passers in their stats. He is 11th for all games played amongst Pac 12 passers. He’s 81st nationally out of approximately 120 FBS schools (Bridgford would rank even worse in his 29 pass attempts). At some point, even if you don’t change the starter, you need to at least get whoever you think your 2nd best guy is (be that Bridgford or whomever) some reps in a game to see if you can develop someone who is better than what is esentially the worst QB in your conference. And if your coach is too stubborn to see that doing that is a worthwhile endeavor, then maybe he shouldn’t be your coach.

by Yogi Bear on Nov 2, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good points, except I think it’s a giant leap to say Tedford is too stubborn to make changes at QB; he certainly has in the past. I don’t have any idea who’s better now, I saw them both practice at CCC this spring, and Maynard looked better then – but now? Can’t say.

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by Cugel on Nov 2, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I posted almost all the Okanes report from last spring and my conclusion was that AB was the better passer and ran the offense a bit better, but JT was more enamored with ZM’s footwork and athletic ability….I think JT wanted more of an option guy and went with that…..you don’t have to read all the stuff I posted but if you go to post #26, you’ll see all the quotes from Okanes and some observers….it seems like AB was really outdoing Maynard early on but as camp went on, ZM got more snaps and JT liked his athleticism…….Maynard was still throwing a lot of interceptions at that time but did other stuff with his feet……

http://bearinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50297&page=2

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

It took JT until the Big Game to make the switch from Ayoob to Levy. That was HUGE because in 05 we had enough talent at the skill positions to not need a QB that could win us the game; we just needed a QB that was somewhat reliable who lose the game for us.

In 08, it took JT until the bowl game before he made the switch to Riley. Now, we all know Riley didn’t exactly pan out for us in 09/10, but it was obvious to everyone that Longshore post-Oregon injury was barely a quarter of what he used to be pre-injury, both mentally and mechanically (I remember him constantly throwing off his back foot and just lofting the ball up in the air).

While I’d like to see AB get a chance to play this year, I’m fully expecting JT to stick with ZM to close out the season, especially if he wins next this week (which he probably will, given that even Mansion could probably beat WSU).

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

When would you have made the switch?
It took JT until the Big Game to make the switch from Ayoob to Levy.

Here are his game-by-game stats. I certainly agree that Levy rightfully earned the starting role for the Big Game, but you seem to suggest Tedford should have made the switch earlier. When would you have pulled him?

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by Berkelium97 on Nov 2, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

After the oregon state game. Sure, Ayoob ended up bouncing back and beat WSU, but Maynard did the same against Utah. Odds are, we would have still lose to USC and Oregon, but I still stand by my belief that we would have had more success playing a QB that can play within himself and be consistent over a QB that can occasionally make big plays but cannot reliably string together drives. The Ayoob I remember would kill drives by overthrowing receivers that are 10 yards away or slinging balls into the ground 5 yards in front of open receivers in the flat.

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I posted the image to illustrate that the argument could be made both ways that Ayoob should start or sit. It was not an obvious decision (at least, not compared to the decision to sit him after the USC game). Accordingly, I would be reluctant to call Tedford “stubborn” for sticking with Ayoob through the USC game.

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by Berkelium97 on Nov 2, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Odds are, we would have still lose to USC and Oregon

Actually I think we would have beaten Oregon. Remember, we lost to them in overtime.

by sycasey on Nov 2, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

After the oregon state game. Sure, Ayoob ended up bouncing back and beat WSU, but Maynard did the same against Utah.

Someone’s wearing their hindsight glasses!

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by atomsareenough on Nov 2, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wish I could find some posts from back then, but I remember wanting to see Levy in after the OSU game. I definitely have proof that I called for Maynard after the USC game. I still stand by that, even knowing that we blew out Utah. I really do hope he makes me look like an idiot, but I’m not holding my breath on that.

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot to mention

stats can be very misleading. I know that you of all people look at the whole picture, but by only offering up the stat sheet as a metric it implies that stats are the most important factor. For instance, on paper, it would appear that Maynard had a fairly decent game against Washington. 300+ yards, 1 TD, no picks, 53% completion. In reality, his play was far worse than what his stats would indicate. He was inconsistent for most of the day, and 90 of those yards + the TD came from 1 play that was 85% KA.

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is true

Stats can be misleading by making a player appear better than he is. But it also works the other way: Maynard has been the victim of countless drops throughout the season, making his stats look a bit worse than they are. By no means am I implying that stats are the most important factor to determine a QB’s success. They do, however, happen to be one of the most concise measures of judging a QB’s effectiveness.

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by Berkelium97 on Nov 2, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

For instance, on paper, it would appear that Maynard had a fairly decent game against Washington.

Which he did.

by sycasey on Nov 2, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember watching that game and thinking “wow, this guy’s pretty damn good” and “oh geeze, another errant pass”. I don’t doubt that he has the skills to make nice plays, but his lack of consistency is what kills our drives and forces us to punt after a string of nice plays, and is why I don’t think he’s our answer.

Take the UCLA game for instance; Maynard had some real nice throws during the game, but his bad ones on critical downs were drive stoppers. I just never got the sense that he could reliably march our team down the field to score.

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Points of Order

Maynard’s stat line has benefited from drops this season too, by DB’s and linebackers.
Given recent history, punting is not a terrible outcome. Anger is awesome, even shackled by rugby punts. I’ve rooted for Zach to throw more balls to coach. Watch normal teams play. The QB throws it away. This has not happened consistently enough since early Longshore. I don’t know if it is scheme, coaching or habit, but throwing out of play (not missing for an INT in the end zone) is the intentional walk/intentional foul equivalent in football. Good teams do it when they ought to and follow up with made field goals or free throws, 3rd and 1 conversions, getting the third out, etc.
Bad teams throw a pick, miss the free throw, walk in a run, etc.

by DancingBear96 on Nov 3, 2011 2:59 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I don’t think Maynard is the answer either, but I will argue that the Washington game was not proof of that. We moved the ball pretty well all game, and Maynard was certainly not among the primary reasons we lost. The stats suggest that he was “decent” and I’d argue that he was.

The proof that Maynard is not the answer came later.

by sycasey on Nov 3, 2011 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's true for a single game

Over time, those things even out over time as you get more games and more variety of opponents

by Yogi Bear on Nov 2, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you say 2008, do you mean 2007? Bc in 2008, Tedford mixed and matched Riley and Longshore all year long.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

I meant 07. I tried to forget about 07 because of what could have been :(.

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

The quote says..
…but they want to see Tedford try something different when it’s clearly not working.

which is different from

.. there are players who have seen both QB’s a lot and have come to different conclusion about which guy is the "obvious" better QB.

The latter quote tends to draw a conclusion that’s not really based on anything material in the quote.

I think that if your team is struggling (in any sport), it’s natural to question whether it’s worth trying something different. So far I’ve seen nothing from the players that definitively say they think that AB is better than ZM. With that said, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were but I wouldn’t make conclusions that there’s some significant feelings one way or another.

by freshfunk on Nov 2, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the players are very happy with his sticking with Maynard through all the mistakes… they want to see Tedford try something different when it’s clearly not working.

I don’t think we’ll ever get this kind of direct admission from any of the players, so this is probably as close to it as we’ll get. Seems pretty clear-cut with the implications are.

by TooUsedToGapage on Nov 2, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling that there is no “obvious” better QB. That both are close and both have different strengths.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 2, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's probably true

If your job was on the line and one guy clearly stood out above the rest, you’d play him

by Yogi Bear on Nov 2, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

FWIW, he also said

There’s frustration with the qb situation but I get no sense of apathy or quit in the team.

Are coaches not allowed to make decisions that frustrate players?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 2, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course they are….let’s not get into it please…I only posted this because earlier I said there might be some dissension and was asked to provide support…so I’m doing what some guys asked…I never said there was some revolt or mutiny..only some dissension or growing frustration…

by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

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