Cal vs. Oregon State Post-Game Thoughts
(1) Story of the Game #1: Offensive Line Dominates. And I mean, DOMINATES. The Bear offensive line was just opening up huge, gaping holes in that Beaver defense. It was just ridiculous how good the run blocking was this game. Half way through the game I started thinking how the Beaver run defense looked like a high school team the way they were just getting man-handled.
I know there were some holding penalties in there, but a number of them seemed quite questionable -- especially the holding ones. Two particular holding calls on Galas (Cal's center #65) seemed like bad calls. On the first holding call against him, the defender just pancaked himself to the ground, and Galas pretty much sat on his head (okay, not really, he just sort of pushed him some more into the ground). There's no penalty for throwing yourself and pushing down on a defender who falls to the ground. That is not holding. Seemed like a bad call to me. On the second holding call against him, the defender threw a spin move at Galas. I think Galas pushed him back, and the defender ended up falling to the ground and in the process also tripped Galas who fell on top of the defender. Again, I don't think it should have been a penalty. It was just a matter of a defender falling to the ground, and an offensive linemen also going to the ground too. That is not holding. Of course, it LOOKS like holding to most refs, so they'll often (incorrectly) call it as holding, but it's not. I think Cal was definitely the victim of a few bad hold calls in this game.
But ironically, despite the penalties against the Cal offensive line (holding, false starts), they pretty much made back all the yardage. It was kind of ridiculous how they were just getting the yardage back like it ain't no thang. First and 20? No problem. Isi up the middle for a 12 yard gain. Penalty negated. Done. Why can't we do this all the time???
(2) Story of the Game #2: Cal's runningbacks Dominate. And I mean, DOMINATE. Both Sofele (Cal RB #20) and Anderson (Cal RB #9) were just eating up that Beaver defense. We haven't seen such a dominant Cal runningback performance like this since... 2009 Big Game (Shane Vereen!). Sofele averaged a whopping 8.3 yards per carry. Can we say, "ridiculous"? Anderson averaged 6.9 yards per carry. Again, ridiculous.
A lot of credit has to be given to the offensive line for creating such success for the RBs, but the RBs were also doing a great job with the holes that they were given. It's not like this was a case of the RBs doing something with nothing. This was a case of the RBs doing something with something. When the RBs were hitting the holes, they were juking linebackers. They were plowing through defenders. They were using great vision, balance, and strength to gain additional yardarage. It was a beautifully glorious display of a performance.
(3) Story of the Game #3: Maynard Does Nothing. Okay, not really. He did help the team win. He did throw 19 attempts, 13 completions for 128 yards (6.7 yard average), one touchdown and one INT. But his performance was quite... forgettable with the way the ground game was dominating. Sure, his INT was bad. The ball was underthrown. If it wasn't, then that pass is a huge completion and perhaps even a touchdown. Maynard did have a couple of nice throws to Calvin (Cal WR #11) and Allen (Cal WR #21), but for the most part, it's almost like Maynard wasn't really even there. He was a little out of sight and out of mind. Considering the way he has played in past games this year, I'm betting most Cal fans probably don't really mind. Nothing against the guy, but I don't really mind either. If an offense can win a game pretty much by running the ball without really having to attempt too many passes (Maynard only attempted 19 passes), then why take the extra risk with passes? Just run the ball. Cal could do this, and so Cal did run the ball.
I think people are probably also noticing how the game plan against Washington State and Oregon State seemingly differed than against other teams. Against WSU and OSU, Cal seemingly focused more on the run, and took the game out of Maynard's hands. Whereas, in other games, it seems like Cal seemingly focused more on the pass and put the game in Maynard's hands -- which sometimes worked and sometimes hasn't. So people are probably wondering, is this because the Cal coaching staff is losing faith in Maynard?
If I had to guess, I'd say probably not. Against WSU and OSU, the Cal coaches probably thought they could run the ball against these weaker teams. They were right, and Cal was able to successfully run the ball. With that kind of running success, you can afford to become a little one-dimensional on offense. But against better defenses, balance becomes key and you have to pass the ball more to keep them honest. So I think the fact that the last two Cal offensive gameplans seemed to be more run-focused has less to do with the coaches losing faith in Maynard, but more to do with the opponents we've faced lately.
(4) Story of the Game #4: Cal Run Defense Dominates. The Beavers averaged 1.3 yards per rush. That pretty much says it all. Okay, not quite. The Beavers suffered a lot of negative yardage from sacks (which is reflected in the above stat), but for the most part Cal's run defense stuffed the Beavers -- absolutely stuffed them like Thanksgiving turkeys. The Beaver's three runningbacks achieved a total of 24 yards on 13 carries (1.85 yards per rush). Pitiful. Absolutely pitiful. It's like the Beavers gave up on their ground attack too as the game wore on because it was sucking so much. Hell, even if you count the runs by the Beaver WRs, they still averaged only 2.8 yards per carry.
Cal's defenders were just playing their gaps well. They were closing the gaps. They were tackling well. It forced Oregon State to become one dimensional and rely on their passing game. So they did...
(5) Oregon State's Passing Attack Keeps Them (Somewhat) in the Game. So the Beavers can't run the ball. What do you do if you can't run? You pass. Duh. So they passed. And in fact, they weren't doing half bad either. Their QB, Mannion, still passed for a completion rate of 64% and a 6.3 yard average per attempt. Those are respectable stats. Unfortunately, what killed them were the two INTs.
One was a flukey INT. The first INT bounced off the intended WR and into the arms of a very reflexive Campbell (Cal S #7). That's just one of those "bad luck" plays.
The second... well, that was clearly on Mannion. What happened there is that Kendricks (Cal LB #30) jumped an underneath route. All game long, Oregon State was hitting those easy drag routes (WR runs a shallow crossing pattern from one side of the field to the other) and curl routes. The drag routes were there against the Cal defense because we were usually matched up in zone so we didn't have a dedicated defender following that underneath man across the field. I think at least a quarter of Mannion's (OSU's QB) completions probably came from easy drag route completions. The problem with drag routes is that they leave the WRs prone to huge hits from linebackers. We saw that happen this game. Oregon State was also hitting some easy curl routes (WR runs up field 10-12 yards or so, then pivots inwards and comes back a few steps towards the QB) too. And I believe Cal's second INT occurred in a curl route. The problem with those curl routes too is that they can be undercut by the LBs if the LBs are smart enough to see where the QB wants to go with the ball before he throws the ball. Kendricks was able to see where Mannion wanted to go with the ball and stepped in front of the pass for the easy interception.
I'm not too surprised that this INT occurred while the Beavers were trying to drive the field. The clock was ticking down on the Beavers, the game is moving fast, the offense is running play after play very quickly, and the QB (Mannion) doesn't have all the time in the world to take a step back mentally, and remind himself of the pitfalls that certain plays may have against certain defenses. He's just reacting. Sometimes just reacting works out well because the QB plays instinctively and with decisiveness, but other times he also gets so caught up in the game that he forgets the dangers of the play or just plain doesn't see a defender.
That INT reminded me of former Cal linebacker Mike Mohamed's INT in the Emerald Bowl against Miami in 2008. The intended WR was running an in-breaking route. The linebackers (Mohamed and Kendricks) were in zone. They're reading the QB's eyes, and reacting. Some coaches tell their LBs to "look and lean." Meaning, they look at the QB's eyes, and lean (begin to move) in the direction that the QB is looking. Look & Lean, baby!
(6) Rough Game for Williams (Cal CB #1). He did have a tough matchup against Rodgers (Oregon State's WR). Rodgers was getting separation on those curl routes against Williams; Williams was getting flagged for pass interference (although some were definitely debatable calls), and he had that mindless (absolutely mindless!) punt catch interference penalty. I mean, I just can't believe how mindless that mistake was. I think it has to be up there with Riley's scramble goof in the 2007 Oregon State game. In fact, I think it's worse than that. It's so simple. It's such a fundamental mistake. It's something the coaches tell the guys every freakin' day in practice. Don't hit the punt returner after he waves for fair catch. Stay a good three yards away from the punt returner (give them that cushion just in case they make a last minute adjustment to the ball). Don't even touch him. Don't even TOUCH him. And that's all Williams did. He literally just stuck a hand out and touched him as if to protect himself from the punt returner bumping into him. And of course, it's a penalty.
(7) Questionable Coaching Decisions By Tedford. Man, I hate bringing this up, because Tedford takes so much heat for things which he shouldn't (and I feel like I should just let these two gripes I'm bringing up slide), but he definitely made some extremely questionable coaching calls this game.
First of all, Cal is facing a 4th and 5 at the Oregon State 10 yard line. Cal is winning 20-6 in the fourth quarter. Cal takes a delay of game to move the ball back 5 yards. It's now a 4th and 10 from the Oregon State 15 yard line. Cal lines up for a field goal. Cal makes the field goal. No harm no foul, right?
I DUNNO. I mean, I get it. Moving the ball back five yards gives Tavecchio (Cal kicker) an easier angle to make the field goal since the ball was on the hashmark. But moving the ball further back also makes the field goal posts a smaller target to hit -- if just barely -- but they do become harder to hit. But what irked me most of all was that, if you're going to take a delay of game there, why not just bring out the offense, hard count, and try to get the defense to jump offsides to get that free first down???
Similarly, Cal faced a 4th and 7 from the Oregon State 36 yard line. Cal has its punt team out on the field. I have no problem with that. But then they just stand there, let the play clock expire, and take a delay of game penalty to move back five yards. WTF? I mean, I get it. You move the ball back five yards because you want to give Anger (Cal's punter) more room to punt. Yeah, I know. It's basic football strategy. That is not lost on me. But why not at least freakin' bring the offense out, hard count, and try and get the defense to jump offsides? If they do, you're looking at a 4th and 2 from the 31 yard line. Now you an attempt a long field goal of 48 yards (31+17). Or you can just straight go for the conversion. By bringing the punt team out and just having them stand there, you give up that 5% chance (arbitrary number i just made up) a defense jumps offsides if you bring out the offense and hard count. You have to swing the bat to get a hit!
To me, those were two completely WASTED opportunities to get 5 easy penalty yards should the defense jump offsides. It just boggled my mind that we didn't do that. I mean, I didn't even really have issue with Tedford centering the ball on third down in the 2009 Big Game for Tavecchio to kick the field goal to give Cal a 6 point lead. Because in that situation, there IS risk involved (interception, fumble, loss of yards) with running some other legitimate play on 3rd down. But in these situations against Oregon State, there was A-B-S-O-L-U-T-E-L-Y no risk involved in sending your offense out, hard counting, trying to draw the defense offsides, and then just taking a delay of game penalty. At the most, your offensive line false starts and you lose five yards, but that end result is the same as taking a delay of game. So I mean, seriously? Just send the punt team out there and have them stand still? SMH.
Unless I'm missing something and there was some strategic reason for not doing anything on those plays. In which case I'm the world's biggest idiot behind TwistNHook.
(8) Bowling. Well, I'm glad we're eligible. The seniors get one more game. The players get free stuff from the Bowl sponsors. Cal Football gets more practice time which is really beneficial to giving the young guys reps. Cal Football can provide more attention to recruiting targets who are visiting during the bowl season. Cal gets national publicity for making a bowl game (out of sight, out of mind; in sight, in mind). Tedford can say that Cal has been to a bowl game 8 out of the 9 years it was eligible to go to a bowl game. There are so many positives to making a bowl game.
I guess the issue is... which bowl are we going to?
I'm thinking the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl really might be the best bowl for us. It would kinda suck because it's technically just another home game, but that's exactly why it might be good for us. It's a home game. More Cal fans will probably show up for a bowl game in San Francisco rather than New Mexico, El Paso, or Las Vegas (the other most likely destinations for Cal). Cal will probably sell out its allotment of tickets (hopefully!). Cal can have the luxury of doing all its bowl game prep pretty much like it's just another home game. Cal's travel expenses would be minimal. Seems like a great opportunity to me.
Of course... if we happen to get bumped up a bowl, such as to the Las Vegas Bowl or the Sun Bowl, because we ... you know, win another game or two this season, I wouldn't be opposed to that either.
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Is the o-line domination due to Coach M having had 4/5ths of a season with this group or bad defense?
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OSU’s run defense is bad, but the OL play has definitely improved over the course of the season. Coach M has to be given some credit for that.
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Both OSU and Washington’s states dlines are very poor against the run – they’re young, they’re not that talented, and they’re undersized. That definitely played a major part in it. Hopefully there is also some Cal improvement in there, as well. The one thing I think does look clear is that the RB’s get better with every game. They’re definitely running harder, faster, hitting the hole with more force and breaking more tackles. Both Isi and CJ, and I thought Bigelow looked good in his carry last game, too, for the first time, and I liked what I say from Manuel against OSU.
by Missing Barry on Nov 14, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
If you look back at the Fresno game (their D-line is nothing to brag about either) our O-line has improved leaps and bounds over the course of the season. I’m very happy with this development.
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Do you feel that way even while taking the UCLA game into account?
by Missing Barry on Nov 14, 2011 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Was the O-line fumbling and throwing interceptions in that game?
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by atomsareenough on Nov 14, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Well, Isi averaged less than 5 ypc against a bad run D, and they didn’t hold up in pass protection against a dreadful pass rush, so I’d say they contributed to the lack of offense.
by Missing Barry on Nov 14, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
great game by the running game. that was fun to watch.
If Oregon St hadn’t turned the ball over near the goal line, twice, that’s a much different ballgame.
Cal’s “run first and run often” philosophy will likely work when they’re not losing by two or three scores. They’re going up against two fairly good front 7’s in the next two weeks.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
So, Mannion’s a RS frosh and looked to take a big step forward this game. Pawlawski’s in love with him (“It’s just amazing; he’s able to find his 3rd or 4th receiver”) and he thinks his last 2 years will be magikal (“One of the best qb’s in the nation.”).
Would you trade the results obtained this year for a QB of the future like Mannion? Have we won the battle, but lost the war?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
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Something tells me the fanbase calling desperately for anyone but Maynard is also the same one that wouldn’t have any patience in losing the battle to win the war and would have Tedford fired before said QB developed. Staff change leads to recruiting disruptions and scheme changes that will more than likely mess with the future years of said QB. So, no.
No, “QB potential” and $1 will get you a can of coke. Each year is different in college football, which is what makes it both awesome and frustrating.
n.b. -- This comment does not constitute official chemistry advice.
That’s an expensive can of coke!
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by atomsareenough on Nov 14, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
It’s something I’ve thought a lot about, too – is it really a good strategy to play the guy who’s the best player right now, or is the program better in the long term by developing a young guy, even if it means some bumps early on. I’m not sure I have a good answer for that, but I think it’s an interesting question.
by Missing Barry on Nov 14, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Just some useless thoughts from me
I personally don’t think steve williams had as bad as a game as it seemed. Sure he didn’t have a great game, but this is James Rodgers we’re talking about. The kid’s good, really good. Might be a step slower but the guy can play. He’s had a history of shredding our defense in years before. The guy is a handful. We put SW out in single coverage most of the game, and while he did give up a handful of PI’s, I think SW did a good job containing Rodgers and overall containing the big plays, even if it were through PI’s.
I think SW played Rodgers a bit aggressively and that might have help the refs throw the flags a bit easier, but I think you’re not giving enough credit to Rodgers.
Continuing on my useless comments, I think you’re being a bit nit picky on Tedford’s non-hard count thing. You’re not wrong, but I don’t think it’s just that big of a deal. And knowing our special teams, who knows what they might do. They might decide a hard count is a perfect time to go for a fake punt! I’m kidding, wait no I’m not.
Speaking of Tedford, I’m really enjoying the many wrinkles he’s put in the offense week by week. There were many beautiful plays that were drawn up this past season that I’ve never seen, ever, run by the Cal offense. Tedford is still relatively a young coach and it’s nice to see him maturing as a coach by (finally) seemingly going away from his super conservative “we must pro-style all the time offense” to putting in more plays to match the personnel alongside his main offensive philosophies. I might add that I find it absurd when people talk about how Tedford’s offense has been labeled by some as “too predictable.” I’d honestly like to watch a game with them and have a discussion about what they’re seeing on the field because I sometimes I wonder if I’m watching a different game than they are.
Great writeup btw. WIth the win, life is good for a few more days. Go Bears!
by nickle on Nov 14, 2011 7:21 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
And knowing our special teams, who knows what they might do. They might decide a hard count is a perfect time to go for a fake punt! I’m kidding, wait no I’m not.
But it wouldn’t be ST out on the field, it would be the normal offense out there doing the snap count like they were about to run a play. Tedford had the ST guys come out there to take the delay of game, but Hydro was saying the offense should have been out there. And who knows, maybe if Maynard saw a weakness in the D or something, they could actually run a play to take advantage of it.
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by atomsareenough on Nov 14, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, Tedford was running some new plays. For example, a great one was that fake roll-out run play. Maynard would begin booting to one side from shotgun, but then hand off the ball to the runningback who would then run in the opposite direction of the boot. It was, in effect, like a mini reverse (but not really a reverse). It’s a great play. I noticed Washington running this play a lot three years ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if we picked it up from them.
We ran it like 5-6 times, I think it picked up 4+ yards every time.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 14, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
By that math, we should run it every play! Each drive would eventually be a touchdown!
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we should have won 105-0!
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by golden oso on Nov 14, 2011 5:14 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
LOVED how Isi and Maynard run the tradional option pitch play at the goalline. Would I be a raging idjut fan if I said I would love to see a 10-fold increase in option plays?
That play and the spread zone-read at the goalline (where Maynard keeps it) would have been fantastic to run against Washington in that mind boggling 4 down series. I’m a fan of not bitching about playcalling unless you have an interesting play to call in lieu of the playcall in question. We can’t bitch just to bitch. I know this is the Internetz but come on! /end rant
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I’m a fan of not bitching about playcalling unless you have an interesting play to call in lieu of the playcall in question.
I agree. It’s easy to complain about a play since it failed. But unless the complainer can put forth a suggestion for what other play can be run, then it just looks like the person is complaining about the result of the play and not so much based on the selection of the play.
We definitely need to see more of this. 2 examples of places I would have liked to see us run some kind of option play would have been on that goal-line sequence at UW (as you mentioned), and that fateful 3rd-and-short against UCLA where we dropped back Maynard and he threw the backbreaking pick. Having him drop back in the pocket in critical situations is just asking for it; Maynard can run and throw on the run — it’s one of his strengths — so we need to make the defense account for it.
I agree. Most of the time I’m not one for playcalling criticisms (I think almost every time fans complain about it all they’re really complaining about is that the play didn’t’ work), but in this case, I’ve been saying we should run option spread in goal line situations since the UW failure! I really think the personnel is suited to run it (and haven’t shown they’re effective in short yardage in pro-style formations), and I think the fact that the coaches have been doing it since and having success supports my argument!
by Missing Barry on Nov 14, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
yup i remember this play as well
it was like a counter counter. a running back reverse, but not really a reverse because he was running in the same direction as the qb. i was so confused but it turned out to be a decent gain.
If the worst thing to be said about the coaching is that they didn’t send out the offense for a hard count on 4th, I don’t grade it as harshly.
Also, as far as downsides, I could see a 5% chance (arbitrary stat I made up) that you’d have to burn a timeout.
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i think there's a higher chance of cal giving up a touchdown than having to burn a timeout
I think that might be from just from knowing our team a bit too well.
I did think that was an astute observation by Hydro. These kinds of attention to details are signs of a well coached/running team. It helps provide insight to the fan when one reflects on the good/bad plays over the year.
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Since Marshawn is gone....
….I think Isi gets the new Beast Mode monicker once he gets past the DLine. MAN does he dish it out if you’re trying to tackle him…..
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Speaking of Beast Mode.....
Did anyone see the highlights of Lynch faking out Ray Lewis and one other defender on a crucial 3rd & short? I thought that Lewis was going to break both of his ankles on that move.
you could say the same thing about CJA
he was punishing guys once he got to the second level.
btw, i think Galas just got called for another holdfing penalty.
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What type of defense did OSU run?
Why didn’t they stack the box and dare Cal to pass more? Or, did they do that and we still blew them off the line for yardage?
Post Game Thoughts #7
I agree with the commenters here. If not bringing in the offense for a hypothetical offsides penalty is the support for questionable coaching calls, then I think Hydro is being quite harsh on JT. The offensive gameplan was awesome, the defensive scheme shutdown the running game and forced a RS freshman to win it thru the air, etc etc. We beat a team we should have beat and now we’re bowling. If we’re going to criticize JT, let’s at least have something of substance and would have had an impact on the game.
by stanfurdbites on Nov 14, 2011 9:43 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
We should not be averse to criticizing decisions that had little impact
If we’re going to criticize JT, let’s at least have something of substance and would have had an impact on the game
Just because they did not have an impact last week does not mean they will not have an impact this week. These are the types of minor details many of us criticized in the Presbyterian win—many of the same minor details which ended up rearing their ugly heads again during our three losses.
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Is that enough substance for you?
In all seriousness, I still think that Hydro raises a good point about the hard count. Moreover, it could have made an impact later on had the hard count been successful. Remember that the goal line turnovers were practically gift-wrapped for us and the score might have been a lot closer. We would have needed touchdowns instead of field goals (or punts) there.
by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Nov 14, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, this is the kind of game-management tactical stuff that JT historically hasn’t been very good at. Is it a marginal difference? Probably yes. But that could mean a difference between a loss and a win against a better team (like Stanford or ASU).
Was it tactical or just easing off of the gas?
From kickoff, it seemed like OSU just didn’t have the horses. I wonder if Tedford didn’t want to kick Riley when he’s down.
My other thought is that if you employ these tactics when unnecessary, are you showing your hand for a future event when you may need to use them?
I don’t think he was easing off the gas. Cal was only winning by 14 points when both of those situations occurred. Furthermore, the first situation (the punting situation) occurred at the start of the fourth quarter. Thus there were a full 15 minutes left in the game. That’s plenty of time for OSU to score two touchdowns and tie the game. I don’t think any coach in their right mind should be taking their foot off the gas with only a 14 point lead with 15 minutes remaining in the game.
And I don’t think there was any tactical decision for NOT sending out the offense to hard count. And that’s why I’m having such difficulties understanding Tedford’s actions on those two plays.
They probably don’t practice it since the situation where it comes up is so infrequent. But I agree with you that it should be something that we practice, where we basically have a kneel down or running play called and the QB hard counts with Galas aware that he immediately snaps the ball if any defensive player crosses the neutral zone. Pretty straight-forward if you ask me.
I strongly disagree with Hydro on the hard count.
It was 4th and 10!! Even if they get the penalty they are five yards closer, still 4th down AND AT A STEEPER ANGLE for the field goal kick. They wanted to go backwards in this case. Getting the penalty would have made it that much more difficult. I STRONGLY disagree with Hydro on this one… In college, the wide hash marks can cause havoc with close kicks. (see: last year Cal-UO)
It was 4th and 10 after the delay of game penalty. It was 4th and 5 prior to the penalty. If Cal can force the defense to jump offsides, then Cal either gets a first down or faces a 4th and inches. If it’s the former, then Tedford definitely should have brought the offense out to hard count. If it’s the latter, hard counting becomes more debatable because it is harder to hit field goals closer to the endzone from a wide hashmark — I agree with you there. But on the other hand, maybe Cal goes for it on 4th and inches and gets a first down and more attempts to score a touchdown.
Maybe
It was 4th and a long 5 and coach knew that so he didn’t bother with the offense.
by DancingBear96 on Nov 15, 2011 5:38 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes, I probably am being harsh. And it’s easy to say I’m being harsh when those plays didn’t really have a significant impact on the game. But what if they did? Everyone would be bitching left and right, and complaining once again about Tedford’s game management skills (or lack thereof). So I think you’re talking with the benefit of hindsight. I’m trying to attack this situation without the benefit of hindsight. Bottom line, I think it’s still very valid to critique decisions which had little impact on the game.
Funny, I didn’t even notice when it happened in the game that it was the ST and not the offense in for those delay of game penalties. I knew where Tedford was going with this so I overlooked it, but you’re 100% right, he should have tried the hard count, there’s no real down side, so why not? Not a big deal, but good catch, Hydro.
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I noticed at least one of them, especially when Anger ended up shanking the punt anyway and OSU started at the 30.
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by atomsareenough on Nov 14, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yet another Epic Fail by our special teams: Anger hits the punt way too short, which causes the returner to run way upfield and Williams to interfere with him (because he doesn’t realize where the ball is). Result is that we give them the ball almost from where we punted it. We may as well have just gone for the 1st down.
The end result is yes, but Williams could have pulled out sideways, I feel. He had a few yards when he saw the fair catch and wanted to get in the returner’s face a little. Got too close.
Or not tried to get cute and just punted it into the end zone for a touchback.
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by atomsareenough on Nov 14, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Call of Duty
I was honestly worried that this was going to happen to us:

Yeah, but always remember
The other team probably plays it too!
by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 14, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Are you fucking serious
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by atomsareenough on Nov 14, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Stay a good three yards away from the punt returner (give them that cushion just in case they make a last minute adjustment to the ball). Don’t even touch him. Don’t even TOUCH him. And that’s all Williams did. He literally just stuck a hand out and touched him as if to protect himself from the punt returner bumping into him.
His mistake was that he didn’t even see where the ball was, or know that the guy was about to fair-catch. He assumed the ball was 10yards downfield. He totally had a look of “OHWAHTTHEFUCK” when the returner caught the ball. He thought he was just bumping into a run blocker.
The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.
But in these situations against Oregon State, there was A-B-S-O-L-U-T-E-L-Y no risk involved in sending your offense out, hard counting, trying to draw the defense offsides, and then just taking a delay of game penalty.
Oline could false start =P
The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.
oh nvm I should read to the end of the paragraph.
The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 14, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Well that’s similar to the delay of game which is what they were going for anyway
In other words, Go Bears!
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(jk yall)
The odds of Cal winning are inversely proportional to the odds of Cal winning.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 14, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Any thoughts about Guyton as OLB?
Is this permanent? Because he was a monster out there
In other words, Go Bears!
Made sense to put him out there
You have a bunch of strong D-linemen in your rotation and your OLB depth is totally shot until McCain and Wilk come back. Might as well be flexible and run what amounts to a 4-3 front. We might see the same thing this Saturday.
Kudos to Payne and Coleman (who haven’t played as much as we would have liked) for stepping up too in the interior with Tipoti out.
by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 14, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
What’s the word on Tipoti, btw? Is he gonna be back this Saturday? Is he out till the bowl game? Out for the season?
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Nov 14, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, that does remind me of something I was going to write about but forgot about. Cal was using quite a lot of 4 DLs against OSU. I can’t quite remember the personnel that we used with those four defensive linemen, but I’m sure there were four defensive linemen at times. So I guess we might have been using a true 4-2 defense on occasion.
Yeah, might have been a true 4-3 too. I can’t remember, and I forgot to DVR the game. I’ll have to look at it later once there is a torrent available.
From my observations it looked like a 4-3. I recall seeing Holt/Kendricks/Whiteside or Campo in with this formation most of the time.
For downs where there’s no chance that OLB is going into coverage, it makes sense to utilize the DL depth with the OLB injury count for now.
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
-TwistNHook
i wouldn't let a couple of 4th-down calls shade what was otherwise a well-coached game
these amount to a footnote…i know what an “extremely questionable coaching decision” amounts to, but c’mon, these are borderline forgettable.
by totallyawesome on Nov 14, 2011 11:26 AM PST reply actions
Overall, I do think this game was a seemingly very well coached game. These two coaching decisions I mention were minor decisions, but the fact that they were minor still doesn’t quite excuse the actions.
Don’t get me wrong – I completely agree that he should have had the offense take the delay of game penalty for a chance to draw an off-sides. I’m merely pointing out that Tedford and Co. did very well coaching the rest of the game!
Also, good post, Hydro.
by totallyawesome on Nov 14, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Trips Power?
Every so often, I see Kapp lined up inside trips, see the guard and him pull, and we run out to the open side of the formation. Is this a new wrinkle or something we’ve been doing but with different personnel?
Did it kinda remind you of this too?
That INT reminded me of former Cal linebacker Mike Mohamed’s INT in the Emerald Bowl against Miami in 2008.

Keenan Allen
I noticed at the game that he had a really strong southern accent. It made me giggle like crazy.
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