Tedford says Zach Maynard Will Start Against Washington State
Bridgford has mostly been getting reps with the 2s. It looks like it's Maynard or bust at this point.
Also, Linebacker Brennan Scarlett will undergo knee surgery and be out for up to 8 months according to coach Jeff Tedford. No word yet on whether he's eligible for a redshirt.
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dooooooooom
Staying home to watch LSU/Bama looks better and better.
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
-TwistNHook
by turkey on Nov 1, 2011 11:36 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Traitor! I better see you at the tailgate Saturday shotgunning beers.
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This had better not be another case of Tedford being convinced that decisions made in August are legally binding on the rest of the season. In the past I wouldn’t have blinked at leaving him in for Wazzu because that’s where you go to get your groove back, but after taking the beatdown from fUCLA the Human Tire Fire, I’m not sanguine…
Bridgeford will probably get run out there come November 2012 when we’re already down 35 to Furd in the third quarter.
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Captain Kirk would’ve used a header.
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But Captain Picard is too good for a header
by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Nov 2, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
That states:
Tedford says zach maynard is the starter as of today for #cal.
And:
Bridgford still primarily with 2s
So, as of now, Tuesday, it’s Maynard.
What is the chance that things will change between now and Saturday?
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I think its just the insane stickler in me, but when I dont like to say “Maynard is QB on Sat” when all we know is “Maynard is QB on Tues and Bridgford is practicing solely with 2s.”
However, it is probably likely that this news implied Maynard is still going to be the QB on Saturday.
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you’re a lawyer, so you’re good at parsing language. however, step away from that and just look at JT’s track record. ZM is the starter until he graduates…
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
-TwistNHook
Don't read too much into it
It’s tempting to dissect the language and try to interpret any subtle undertones, but we’ve heard Tedford say these types of statements enough to know what he means.
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Well, I’m not trying to interpret any subtle undertones. I’m just taking it at its purest face value, which is very stupid and inane.
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haha….I actually rarely know what JT means because he usually speaks coach speak with sweeping generalizations.
What ever do you mean?
“Zach puts us in the best position to win”
“He’s making the reads, just needs to get the ball to our receivers”
“We’ll evaluate the film and make the proper adjustments”
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This is somewhat distressing. For a bunch of reasons. Either it signifies that Tedford has bunkered down and is unwilling or unable to show flexibility, or that Bridgford is far worse than anyone suspects. The latter may not be out of the realm of possibility, as it turns out there was a reason Mansion never got to see the field while Riley was heathly, regardless of how poor Riley may have performed.
There is also a third option, which if true would mean something way way worse is happening, and I don’t even want to consider it.
Being an Old Blue means never accepting success.
What is the third theory?
Is it the whole locker room pollitics rumor?
ZM is playing as part of the deal that got KA to Cal.
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
-TwistNHook
I love that rumor
Because even if it’s true, what’s the use of sticking with the “deal” now? The premise would be that Tedford is coaching to preserve the deal instead of to win.
Being anti-Tedford is not irrational or unreasonable. There’s plenty to criticize right now. But to suggest that he’s not trying to win is irrational, IMO.
by Ohio Bear on Nov 1, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree that it is dumb and I never really believed it. We needed a QB so we offered Maynard. I liked the Maynard pickup because the kid has athleticism and had CFB starting experience who could potentially be a starter or provide decent depth as a backup QB.
Do we have any evidence either way on this matter?
Or is this just further speculation?
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These allegations appear to be neither common nor sensical.
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach
Okay, so take Keenan Allen out of the equation, does it seem logical that Jeff Tedford would recruit Maynard to Cal as a transfer QB based on his body of work at Buffalo?
Recruiting him is one thing. Making him the starter, and keeping him as the starter is quite another thing. Of course Tedford was willing to consider Maynard because of Allen. That’s obvious. But would he risk his own job and the team’s prospects by making the guy the starter and keeping him on as the starter solely because of some “deal” with Allen? That would be borderline insanity.
I blame Twist.
I thought the allegation was that Tedford would start Maynard if Allen came, not Tedford would recruit Maynard if Allen came.
Those are two separate things. We don’t really have evidence either way on either of them.
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Maynard enrolled at Cal for the spring semester, and was announced as the starting QB at the conclusion of spring practice. Most everyone that has had any in person accounting of the “competition” between Maynard and Bridgford knows that the whole thing was a farce. Fallball commentary brought a lot of the same comments.
So extrapolate from that what you want.
Why do you need evidence? Why can’t you just take this as a good solid conclusion?
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Moragabear over at BI was able to see more practice than most people, and he felt AB is a better passer.
KCAL9 also posted there, had some inside access and also felt AB threw a better ball.
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
-TwistNHook
No, I think most people believe that JT felt that ZM’s playmaking ability was enough to make up and differences and his passing would come along as he got more comfortable with the playbook.
He better get really comfortable really fast.
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
-TwistNHook
When you put the word “competition” in quotes, it makes it extra sinister.
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Then, you aren’t allowed to extrapolate whatever you want. Your extrapolation is much more limited in that scenario.
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It seems pretty clear to me that Tedford gave Maynard a look because of Allen. Would he have actually recruited him if he that Maynard was terrible? I don’t know, but I have no reason to believe he would have. It also seems clear that Tedford thought Maynard as a good prospect — the fact that he became the starter show as much — so the question of whether he would have been recruited if Tedford thought he had no talent never actually arose.
I blame Twist.
He made him the starting QB when he didn’t have to?
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by atomsareenough on Nov 2, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I think CalBear81 is using logical reasoning. If I follow it correctly, I think she’s saying Tedford thought Maynard was a good prospect since it’s in Tedford’s self interest to recruit players that he thinks are good. Furthermore, the fact that Maynard became the starter is also evidence of Tedford’s thinking that Maynard was a good prospect, again, because it’s in Tedford’s self-interest to play the best players available so he can win.
I don’t think CalBear81 has a link to provide which demonstrate her brain usage and logical reasoning.
Common sense says that a coach is willing to risk his well-paying job and reputation for a promise he made to a 19 year-old football player that will be gone in a few years?
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Common sense doesn’t but what puzzles me is that JT usually doesn’t name a starter until the middle of Fall practice….this year he named him right away…now yes, I know this is fodder for the conspiracy theorists but it certainly shocked me that JT changed his behavior which he is usually very slow to do if at all…
Doesn’t puzzle me, he want to build up a bond between the QB and the team, and have the team know who the starter was, fairly common. Also JT has done it both ways.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Then why didn’t he do that with Longshore/Riley?…. I look for patterns of behavior and then look at even minor deviations because people generally follow the same patterns unless other reasons preclude that…so I’m not saying I believe the conspiracy but I do question behavior that isn’t congruous with the past….I do that for many reasons mainly to see if cognitive dissonance is at play or something else is……
Perhaps Maynard was clearly better than the other QBs during spring. Neither Longshore nor Riley clearly separated himself from the other in 2008.
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Plenty of people who were there said that not only was Maynard not clearly better
He was clearly worse. And at that point, they had no motive to do that unless they had a personal relationship with Bridgford.
I have no personal relationship with Bridgford, and I haven’t seen a shred of evidence to prove he’s better than Maynard right now.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes it does.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 2, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
All before fall camp. Not latest evidence.
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
LOL
The guy gets 70% of the snaps and all of the time with the 1’s (until this week) now that the season has started. How exactly is Bridgford supposed to make up ground?
By being so fucking good he blows Maynard out of the water, which he clearly has not been.
Completely unrelatedly, why weren’t you here after the Utah game to say all this?
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Is it not after the Utah game today?
Oooh, that was a good imitation of the non-answer quip that you like to make in these comments.
After the Utah game, but before the UCLA game, I did not see you here. For someone so sure of Bridgford’s complete dominance over Maynard for the last eight months, it’s very odd that you didn’t verbalize your opinion far, far, earlier than 10/29/11, 8 games into the season, and makes me call into question any opinion you put forth. Sorry!
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Again, do you have links to these posts? I saw somebody mention MoragaBear stated something about it. And KAL9 stated something. Do you have links to their comments? Thanks.
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I do recall that during Spring practice a majority of BI posters thought that Bridgford looked better. It would be hard to dig up the posts, though.
Maynard looked good as well on a lot of throws but it is becoming more and more evident that he lacks the accuracy that Bridg possesses.
Bridg looked like he was in complete control out there and although he was bailed out by the WRs making some plays and tough catches for him, he still looked like our #1 guy.
Bridg-#1 stuff
Maynard- limited but still #1a guy
Bridgford still looks like my man. if this kid is not #1 or #1b this fall there is something seriously wrong with the coaches. great mechanics and football IQ and his timing, accuracy, and strength is phenomenal. look forward to him taking more reps this spring.
Bridgford looked like he will be our man for the next couple of years. If he doesn’t win over Teddy’s heart before the season- he will be starting by the time we are in a bowl game (if not sooner)
by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the links, Cal_Fan2. I appreciate the time you put into bringing them over here.
I honestly don’t know whether Maynard is better than Bridgford. I think it definitely might be time to look at Bridgford.
That being said, I still don’t see how these prove that the selection process was a “farce” reflecting an inside deal with Maynard and KA. It proves that Maynard and Bridgford appear to be close and that it might be time to put Bridgford in.
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I’m not saying it was a farce.
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
-TwistNHook
I appreciate that, turkey. I dont think that CF2 is, either. But I did see some people up there stating that.
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Your welcome but I for one never said it was a farce…I was only asking questions around here. I was asked to provide facts on my opinions….this is where I"m frustrated a bit…and I’m saying this in a friendly tone, but on you post this morning, you said the players didn’t give 110%. I didn’t question you because I believe you think that…but if I had posted that, there would be a bunch of guys all over me questioning me about how I arrived at that with no proof… that is where I think there is a double standard……
Obviously there are a lot of upset people as shown by the report card remarks who don’t post here much….I at times give my opinions and only think that fairness of opinion be the same for everyone….that is my honest opinion without bashing you or anyone else….thanks for putting up with me….
That 110% thing was a joke. The concept is that I’m saying “Oh, I’m being so harsh!” but then I say things that are lame cliches like “The other team wanted it more.” So, it creates a juxtaposition between my lamentations and the lameness of my actual comments!
I do not genuinely believe that UCLA wanted it more. Further, I do not genuinely believe that Cal failed to give 110%. This is especially true as nobody can actually give anything further than 100%.
As for the QB thing, I think that you have made a good case. I dont know if wel ever truly know the answer, but you have made me concerned about this whole situation.
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Can you name one other time in Tedford's history
where he gave a QB with very little practice time that was brand new to the team the majority of the reps with the #1 offense? Even Rodgers had to compete with Robertson for the job through the beginning of the football season. But Maynard was put, at minimum, in a three-way tie with Mansion and Bridgford from the beginning of spring practice.
I cant. The key year would be 2005. I dont remember the specifics.
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Well, Maynard had had access to the playbook through his brother IIRC, and if Tedford thought that he had the highest amount of upside due to his mobility/athleticism, and he thought Zach was probably the guy, it made sense to give him the majority of the reps so that he could get up to speed as quickly as possible.
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by atomsareenough on Nov 2, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m only asking questions here….does that offend you?….Unlike others who said they believe this JT is playing ZM because of KA, I’m asking why behaviors have changed ….. Are you afraid if someone likes to explore all sides and wonder why things have changed?….if so, I guess I"m just more curious than you are
You always seem to assume that people who disagree with you or who question the factual support behind your claims are offended. Why would I be offended if you like to believe in crackpot conspiracy theories? People have made fortunes out of the Kennedy assassination!
I blame Twist.
Because you misstated me…..where did I say I believe in the crackpot theory?….please, if I wrote that then I need to change it….I don’t have any factual support except to ask questions…..you think I"m always offended but I think you always misquote me…so I guess we are even…..again, where did I say ZM is playing because of KA…..many other posters have actually come out and said it…I’m simply putting stuff together….
Sigh. This whole conspiracy theory thing is about the silliest thing I have ever heard of, so I am making fun of it. I couldn’t possibly respond to any of this stuff seriously. And yes, I know you say you don’t believe it. But you keep going on and on and on about it, which seems kind of weird for someone who claims not to believe in it. But whatever floats your boat.
I blame Twist.
Not as silly as the people who believe Maynard would have been offered a scholarship
without Keenan being part of the package.
Considering that while starting he has helped win 4 games, its obvious that Maynard is at least worthy of a scholarship.
If you want to promote your conspiracy theory, go right ahead, but you’ll get less mileage overall if you state “Cal wouldnt havce even sniffed Zach if it werent for KA.”
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There is a difference between worthy of a scholarship
and would have been offered. Not difficult to understand for some.
Am I some?
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If the best you can offer is a straw man response, why post it at all?
Given how Maynard has performed, he certainly hasn’t established that he is the best man for the job. Nor has Bridgford established that he is unquestionably better. The point is worth debating, even if you think it deserve no better than a dismissive response.
So, is that a yes or no on the grassy knoll? Because I’ve got another offer in on the property.
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One data point does not make a pattern.
n.b. -- This comment does not constitute official chemistry advice.
It might help boost your argument if you provided year by year statements of what the QB situation was and when a starter was named. For example, years like 2002, 2004, 2006/2007 or 2009/2010 when there was a clear #1 are not relevant to this discussion.
The years to look further at would be 2003, 2005, 2008, and 2011.
Now, that’s only 4 data points, so it would be moderately difficult to extrapolate a pattern from it, but if you put the years together, we might see something.
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Thanks….I"m mainly asking questions….at least I didn’t say FUCK YOU like those guys on the other thread…that seems more easily accepted… If I’m wrong about JT’s behavior then I stand corrected……guess I"m still getting used to how I should post here……I’ve got it down pat on BI but seems like I step out of bounds a lot here….not sure why,.. I don’t think I"m nearly as negative than many guys on here….oh well, I’ll figure it out
Who said “FUCK YOU”?
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a bunch of guys to the guy on the other thread they jumped on because he jokingly said “maybe we should become all Stanford fans”….I think you chimed in…that is what makes it tough to post here sometimes…and others have said it….if you are not part of the “gang” you don’t seem to have the same posting rights….that’s cool but I’m still figuring out what I can get away with..
Go back and re-read all the comments there, CF2, and you will see that nobody thought the guy would take it seriously, and he was thoroughly apologized to when people realized that he did. Our royrules is young and gets a little bit over-excited, and did not realize that the guy wouldn’t know he was trying to be funny.
I blame Twist.
I know that…that is why I wrote it is hard to get away with stuff here when you are unknown because people don’t know you much…that guy was NOT part of the gang so he got offended….let’s put this to rest cB81…I appreciate your candor but at times I think there is a double standard…if I’m wrong I’ll have to live with it….I’m honestly trying to figure stuff out and maybe look at it from a different perspective….but thanks for giving me a chance to explain..I read your posts and you are very knowledgeable ….
I’m not sure who you think is applying a double standard. This is a community, with a lot of different people, who have a lot of different opinions and personalities and ways of interacting. It is true that people who have been commenting here regularly for a long time tend to know each other pretty well. We have inside jokes and we know some personal stuff about each other and, well, as I said, we are a community. There is not some overarching power that sets the standards of how people are supposed to interact with each other, except within the site’s official guidelines of civility and if some argument gets really out of hand, the participants may get their hands slapped by the Hit Squad. But beyond that, it is just people talking to each other, with no single or double or triple standards.
It does take a new person a while to integrate into a community, but we are generally a pretty welcoming group. My observations are that there is an expectation that commenters who want to get into some area of controversy will have facts to back up their positions, and not just throw out opinions. And this stuff about Tedford being in a conspiracy to use a less qualified quarterback (even though doing so would cost games, harm Tedford’s reputation, and even cost him his job) is about as controversial as it gets. It is pretty much total nonsense in my opinion and, I think, in the opinion of most other reasonable people. So if you are going to go there, you should expect to have people seriously question whether you have any facts to back it up. If not, you can expect people to be a little hard on you. Or to make jokes at the expense of the stuff you are saying. That is just as true of me or Twist, as it is of you. I can guarantee you that if I started talking about a Tedford conspiracy theory, there are several people here who would mock the hell out of me. For that matter, there are several people who mock the hell out of me even when I don’t saying anything particularly crazy.
Give yourself some time to get to know people, and give us some time to get to know you, and I think you will do fine here.
I blame Twist.
by CalBear81 on Nov 1, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure if there is a lot of value in continuing this conversation here. You have both made your points and I appreciate your reasonableness!
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is this when I talk about how much I hate you for being reasonable?
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
-TwistNHook
Every time you post, you signature says that!
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I think all people expect here is either actual facts to support a controversial opinion and/or a sense of humor. Either one will stand you in good stead. Both is even better.
I blame Twist.
I do…in fact, I’ve joked around with Twist on many occasions… this week I"m just serious I guess…bad week….hell, I was voted class clown in high school so it is in there somewhere…for instance, I can tell when most people are joking but I can’t tell when you are joking CalBear81 That happens sometimes
I confess, I am only half joking here, because I do find this conspiracy stuff completely ludicrous, and have a hard time understanding how anyone could not. But I am not mad or offended or whatever else. I was just tweaking you a little bit, which is done here pretty regularly to everybody (myself included). But I will try to refrain from doing that to you in the future.
I blame Twist.
no…please do….I told Twist yesterday that I was dealing with some things outside of Cal football and I’m probably a bit on edge……I apologize which I think I’ve done a lot lately….LOL… I’ve posted here for over a year or so, just not as much as some and usually I’m much more jovial…unless of course we just lost….so again, it’s my fault…please don’t treat me any differently….I should just maybe chill out a bit and work on the other stuff bothering me…thanks
Off the top of my head, in 2005, the decision was made well into the fall. And same in 2008.
So, those two data points support your thesis! That being said, I think that there are some differences in those two years.
In 2005, Ayoob was the big superstar and Longshore was the nobody. Tedford REALLY wanted to go with Ayoob, but for whatever reason it took a LONG time to name him the starter until, at the last minute, it was Longshore. You could say that in 2005, he went against his loyalty and against his BIG TIME RECRUIT.
And in 2008, you had two QBs of moderately similar skill level (I think Longshore was the better QB at that time). But Tedford actually went with the less experienced QB.
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ok….I do stand corrected…..appreciate the info….I wasn’t aware that JT was that confounded over the whole matter….
Well, Im just doing this off the top fo my head, so I could be wrong with the detials!
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The fifth option is Tedford is attempting to switch to Bridgford, but got really confused!
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Long story short, Jason Motte is our QB now!
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The sixth option is that Bridgford IS starting, as are all of the 2s, and Maynard only appears to be getting reps with the 1s.
This is a lot of sixth options!
PS Seventh Option: There is no spoon
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8th option: ????
9th option: PROFIT!
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10th option: midline veer off the defensive tackle
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It was fantastic."
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The sixth option is Keenan Allen at QB.
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach
KA as QB and wide receiver.
He can bypass the “no throwing to yourself” rule by stopping off on the sidelines and switching jerseys between the pass and the catch.
If anyone can do it, Keenan Allen can.
by C98 on Nov 1, 2011 12:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There is no "no throwing to yourself rule"
Kevin Riley caught one of his own passes and ran for five yards in the 2008 Big Game. It was awesome.
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yeah, you just can’t pass again. i’m talking to you, nick foles.
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by slaphancock on Nov 1, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Distressing, but not at all surprising
Which actually means it’s not distressing to me at all
Totally fine with this
Bridgford didn’t seem that much better…
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
You mean in his handful of snaps against Oregon who dropped 18 men back into pass coverage?….yes, I’m sure you are right.
by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 1, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bridgfords delivery was a bit concerning and he did have a couple of passes that probably should have been picked.
but then again he didn’t throw 3 or 4 picks in a game…
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
-TwistNHook
Sure….in a game already lost where we HAD to throw into 7 man coverage….hey, I’m not sure AB is better but that game certainly isn’t a fair comparison…besides, if we want to talk about “almost interceptions”, ZM probably would have thrown 6-7 interceptions against SC and UCLA
Well Maynard was throwing into those same 7 man coverages as well against Oregon and didn’t have a pick so the two QB’s were even in that game.
Well if you keep wanting to be fair, then we should give AB the starting job so he can catch up to ZM in interception..after all, you want to be fair…..
I don’t really care one way or the other. Let AB start, I am fine with that. AB has been getting the same coaching that Maynard, Mansion, Riley, and Longshore all had so I am expecting similar results, success and failure that those players all had at QB while at Cal.
I am sure AB would look decent enough against WSU, probably good enough to get the win. Sure he will be inconsistent, have a completion rate in the mid 50’s, throw a couple of balls that should have been picked, maybe even throw a pick and score a few TD’s. We will all get excited, sure we will point out AB’s flaws and where he needs to improve but we will also see potential for growth. Only that growth will never materialize and by the start of next season we will be ready for another new QB and potential savior.
This is the vicious QB cycle that Cal is currently in.
AB has been getting the same coaching that Maynard, Mansion, Riley, and Longshore all had so I am expecting similar results, success and failure that those players all had at QB while at Cal.
Are you serious? How come we haven’t produced 7 Aaron Rodgers?
Let AB start, I am fine with that. AB has been getting the same coaching that Maynard, Mansion, Riley, and Longshore all had
Despite the fact that three different coaches have had the primary responsibility of teaching up the quarterbacks in that time period? (Not including assistants like Cortez, Dunbar, Daft, and Arroyo.)
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It was fantastic."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
I was under the impression that Cortez wasn’t around to coach any of those player listed.
Besides wasn’t Tedford the primary QB coach while Cortez and Dunbar were at Cal.
Daft? Did you mean Ludwig? I will give that Ludwig was more hands on and the primary QB coach while he was at Cal and Tedford took a bit of a back seat.
This season it seems like Tedford has went back to coaching the QB’s so Maynard and AB have both been primarily coached by Tedford.
At any rate, our recent QB struggles leave me jaded that AB could step in and be a decent Pac12 QB. I would think that if AB were better than Maynard he would be starting or at the very least seen the field during the ucla game during the final 6 minutes of the game.
If Tedford isn’t starting AB he must have a very good reason and that reason is AB probably hasn’t developed much and Tedford views him as a recruiting miss much like Mansion and Sweeney were.
Daft had the title of quarterbacks coach in 2007, like Arroyo has it right now.
So were’re talking Tedford→Cignetti→Ludwig→Tedford in the last four years, with various secondary assistants mixed in over the period starting with Longshore’s first seasons. Which is to say: it is objectively incorrect to say that Bridgford has been getting the same coaching as all the other listed quarterbacks.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
unless you assume that Tedford has his hands all over these qbs
which would be a ridiculous assumption of course…
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That’s exactly what I’m talking about.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose I am too. I’m not sold on Maynard’s abilities or consistency at all, but if Tedford believes he is the guy, then I am okay with having him start.
What may not sit so well is watching Maynard hand over another chance of a win with bad choices and really poor interceptions, then not seeing him get pulled. If Maynard has another craptastic half and Tedford doesn’t pull him, I may be a bit chagrined.
Being an Old Blue means never accepting success.
small sample size, but fair enough. I don’t think he throws 4 picks. And I think “a game managing QB who throws an accurate football” would put this team that others say has little talent at 6-2 or 7-1.
While Bridgford may not be a finished product yet, his skills seem improvable. As turkey and others have said, we’ll likely scoot by these god awful teams, Maynard will finish the season, and he’ll start at least the first 6 games of the 2012 season all while playing the same erratic football he’s been playing when he stepped foot on the Buffalo campus his freshman year.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I don't think anyone is surprised with the choice of starter this week
What is going to be sad is if and when ZM throws his first INT against the Cougars. Frustrated Cal fans boo.
i think i’m ok with zack starting. he did bounce back after usc and had a solid utah game. but if he starts throwing picks and tedford doesn’t pull him, then he really has lost it.
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by hardtobecalfan on Nov 1, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Despite Zach still the starter as of now, though, you’ve got to think that he’s gonna be on a very thin leash for the wazzu game. Or so one would hope.
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by ch0ster on Nov 1, 2011 11:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I would have thought he was on a short lease after the SC game. Damn Utah for giving him a new leash!
maybe tedford doesn’t believe in short leashes anymore? maybe he feels like short leashes make them play nervous. but long leashes are just asking for fans to boo and to be universally hated…
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by hardtobecalfan on Nov 1, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Whether the leash is too long or short really depends on whether the fans like the backup or not.
In 2007, everyone loved Riley. When he wasn’t playing, everyone was saying Tedford had Longshore on too long of a leash. In 2008, when Riley got benched for Longshore, everyone was saying Tedford didn’t give Riley enough of a leash. Now, in 2011, when everyone wants Bridgford, everyone is saying that Tedford is giving Maynard too long of a leash.
Either way, Tedford can’t win. Fans will always be complaining about how he’s handling the QB situation.
This comment isn’t meant to say that Maynard deserves a long leash or a short one. I’m just merely trying to point out how Cal fans’ opinions on the “leash” stuff is largely dependent on whom they want to see play.
And remember what Riley said after he got benched in 2008? He said it hurt his confidence, and he didn’t like always having to wonder if this next mistake he made would get him pulled from the game. Cal fans criticized Tedford left and right when those quotes were published. So based on those comments, I think Tedford learned, and was more inclined to give QBs longer leashes. But of course, now that nobody wants the Maynard to be QB, his leash is too long, and nobody really cares about Maynard losing confidence and being worried about being pulled since he is no longer the QB favorite like Riley was.
by HydroTech on Nov 1, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
With all due respect, and I mean that, JT has not developed a QB in 5 years….forget AB and ZM and leashes… the fact is we don’t have QB;s that function at a high level. Of course people are concerned….or pissed if you like.
That has nothing to do with what Hydro just said.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I"m simply saying why fans are pissed off…..the symptoms are playing ZM and AB against each other but the problem is JT and not individual QB’s for the most part
You’re entitled to your opinion.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 1, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Moraga Bear seems to think the players are unhappy too…I know you know who he is….do you think he is off base too?….After all, he is very close to the program…
Outside of Keenan, I don’t think the players are very happy with his sticking with Maynard through all the mistakes. They don’t want to hear Maynard ragged on but they want to see Tedford try something different when it’s clearly not working
Nothing I have said here suggests that I think the players are happy with Tedford’s decisions.
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yeah…but you are battling me with every fucking thing I say….hell, I was one of the ones that agreed with you when you wrote on BI about some there dissing CGB….it was me and sycasey who actually defended CGB from the idiots at BI…but for some reason, you just want to disagree with everything I post….disagreement is fine but for some reason it seems personal to me with you….just let it go at that….you don’t have to pump sunshine all the time.. maybe sometimes there are other valid points..
by Cal_Fan2 on Nov 2, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey man. I don’t see that Spazzy is personally attacking or belittling you.
He happens to disagree. Perhaps the reason it seems that he disagrees with everything that you post is that just about every post you’ve made lately has been along the same theme.
We’re all frustrated with the way this season has gone, particularly last week. Maybe it’s time we all stepped away from the keyboard and took a few breaths.
Old Toothwrangler
Kodiak….you don’t get it because lately I feel singled out, told to produce links etc. Now because you are a main guy here, you don’t see it…but 4 guys over at BI wrote me today about the other thread I posted on ….here is one PM I was sent….you may not see it but others do….maybe I’m just too upfront but either way, I’m not alone in feeling this way… Now this hasn’t happened to me on BI for over a year but lately it seems so….you might think I’m being too sensitive, but I assure you, being on disability, I’ve been through more hell than most…..either way, others have said the same thing…
Been reading your exchange over there and boy, you couldn’t be more right. There is definitely a little clique of guys over there who seem to do little more than constantly try to one-up each other on who can be the cleverest while saying nothing and are quick to tell other people they have no evidence for their posts, yet when they “laugh at conspiracy theories” they have no evidence or links to provide either.
You do a fine job of walking the thin line of providing an opposing view and calling them on their double-standard while not quite getting them to kick you off their blog.
Now I want to continue to post on CGB but I think a lot of folk are afraid to express their true feeling unless it is on the report card…..Maybe I shouldn’t be posting here but I have been here for a couple of years and never had this problem before…maybe it is just me…but that is how I honestly feel…..
Apologies for the long reply
For starters, I’m sorry if you’ve had a rough time being on disability. I’ve been forced to walk with a cane now for over a year, and I understand how chronic pain can be both stressful and depressing.
I also understand the feeling of being misunderstood, picked on, or feeling like people want to twist your words around just to disagree with you.
I tried to put up a fair, reasonable, balanced analysis a few weeks ago showing that missed blocks were more significant than which running back was carrying the ball. Even though I didn’t defend myself online, I am well-aware that people were making some rather hurtful and borderline malicious comments about me behind my back.
Now why wouldn’t I take the criticism personally or become extremely upset? The fact that someone disagrees with me doesn’t make them wrong and me right. It doesn’t make them a bad person. It doesn’t make me a good person. It simply means that we have a difference of opinion. And, there’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t see why discussions between fellow Cal fans and alumni needs to become so polarized and contentious.
If you post an opinion at CGB, you’ll get a variety of responses. Some are serious. Some are not. Some may agree with you. And others will not. If you post the exact same opinion on the Growls board at BI, you’ll get a different array of responses.
And, if you post that opinion on the premium Insider board at BI, you’ll get yet another array of responses. You might be surprised to find that the premium Insider board has an extremely different opinion of “conspiracy theories” than the Growls board.
This isn’t a CGB vs. BI vs. BI-Premium type of thing. No one group is better than any other. No group is “more” right, or “more” wrong because of their opinions.
This is just a reflection that different groups of intelligent and educated people will often arrive at different conclusions for topics where there really is no cut and dried absolute truth like 2 + 2 = 4. Quite frankly, there are those who might be willing to argue that math doesn’t add up to what we think it does.
As far as you feeling singled out when you post at CGB, I’m afraid I don’t have a good solution for you. I’m sure there are those here who agree with you. Just as I am absolutely certain that there are BI posters who disagree with you.
Personally, I have found that if I cannot convince the other person of my point of view within 2-3 posts, then it’s not worth continuing the argument. You’re either not going to change their mind, or perhaps more accurately, you’re not going to get them to admit that they changed their mind.
That’s when you have to ask yourself, “why are you posting?” or “why reply to this comment?” If it’s to have a discussion, then go for it. If it’s because you’re expecting or hoping for the other person to agree with you, then I’m afraid you’re frequently going to be disappointed.
It’s not an easy thing to try to moderate a board. I’d like to think that we try to do the best job that we can (considering that we all volunteer our time in between balancing RL commitments), and try to keep the nastiness and personal attacks to a minimum. We also try not to pick sides – our goal is to facilitate open discussion, not censure people for being right/wrong. I’m well aware that we’re not going to succeed 100% of the time and that there is no way we can make everyone happy.
About all the advice I can offer you is to please try not to take disagreement personally, do send us an email to cgbmods@gmail.com if you feel like someone is violating community guidelines, and don’t let arguments over the state of Cal football bring you down.
Go Bears.
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thanks..and I’ll try and make this brief…first off, I do like reading you , Hydro and others analysis…I think the mods are actually pretty fair…..but I do think there is a cliquish attack squad effect here…other people I know have said the same thing….now, I will admit, this is a bad week….but I haven’t had this type of problem that much here….as far as handling criticism, I have over 10,000 posts on BI…you know what BI is like…half those guys would chew people upr here and spit them out with no remorse…I have never been suspended there and never been in knock down drag out fights…and BI is one tough site to post on
That is why I have thought hard about this….if I can post over there with no problem, in fact I guess I’m one of the well knowns there, why do I feel weird over here. This week excluded, I actually take criticism pretty well since if you go over to that site, you don’t see me freaking out about stuff unless someone actually personally attacks me…so I’m really not some frail thing….after all, I almost died, was in bed for 2 years and took another 8 years to get to 100%….so i consider myself a rather strong person…
I think you used the proper phrase I was searching for….it is not criticism but what you said…“twisting my words to use against me”….now that happens all the time on BI but there are not a gang of insiders who beat you up over it…..that is why I feel there is a double standard and I know you have heard that before….if you are one of the guys of mods listed below you can say pretty much anything…but if not, it seems like there is a fine line you can cross….sure Yogi Bear does…and I know Salary_cap was very critical but it seems if you aren’t around here for awhile, or are too much controversial, there is a piling on……again, I usually can take that but I have some genuine questions and concerns and I’m either not funny enough or don’t provide enough facts….
Because I’m somewhat new here, I feel I can’t win one way or the other..and trust me, like I wrote earlier, after everything that has happened to me, I’m not that sensitive bout trivial stuff….but for some reason, I feel compelled to defend myself more here than on BI…..
Anyway, I’m sure I’ve pissed off enough people here but my intention was always to get in a point of view…..I was never a NegaBear until this year…. yes, I’ve been critical of JT and the QB situation for a few years now but I’ve always straddled the line…..
I’ll try to make it work out…..I know you and the other mods are trying to be as fair as possible….maybe I’ll just respond less or comment on less serious stuff for awhile….thanks for taking the time
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I’m not sure I completely agree with you, but I certainly don’t think you’re crazy either. I think it is VERY odd that Tedford named Maynard the starter in the spring. Perhaps another theory is that he thought delaying the decision (which he did in years past) was detrimental to team comfort with the qb? Maybe it did have something to do with Keenan though.
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that is why I feel there is a double standard and I know you have heard that before….if you are one of the guys of mods listed below you can say pretty much anything…but if not, it seems like there is a fine line you can cross….sure Yogi Bear does…and I know Salary_cap was very critical but it seems if you aren’t around here for awhile, or are too much controversial, there is a piling on……again
Okay, I’m going to pull back the curtain a little bit here for you. If it looks like you’re coming here ONLY to spout off a one-sided viewpoint, or that you don’t seem capable of reasonable discussion or open to any other viewpoints, or if it seems like you’re only here to create controversy and stir up arguments and piss people off, then you’re probably going to get a pretty short leash. If you’re here to hang out and have more to contribute than just controversial statements, you’ll be given a bit more benefit of the doubt that you’re posting in good faith.
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by atomsareenough on Nov 2, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve been posting here for 2 years almost…not alot and have not gotten into trouble…now that I’m really down on the program, I have a problem…it seems have I been causing trouble for 2 years?…I don’t think so….all of a sudden I’m a trouble maker…but that is because I agree with the NegaBears now…..so see why the reputation of sunshine pumpers exist…..example….CBKWit who is a mod has been blasting the program as of late….why hasn’t he gotten the same flack?….that is all I"m saying…..people twisting my words around cause a lot of this….and I got defensive, but somehow that is my fault too.. this is the shit I don’t get….
OH MY GOD ITS CALLED A GOD DAMN COMMA.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 3, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry. i’m sorry. i just couldn’t fucking hold it back any more.
i’m sorry!
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 3, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
also, CBK has taken a ton of shit from people. and what he does great is just fling shit right back! it’s a regular old shitball fight.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 3, 2011 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, he gets away with that which is my point. when I threw shit back to defend my point and not have my words twisted, then somehow I"m a trouble maker because I’m not part of the select group. I didn’t do anything much different than CBK
…and for what it’s worth, we’ve asked CBK to please chill out before as well. We’re trying to apply the same standard to everybody.
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by atomsareenough on Nov 3, 2011 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
don't get mad, get even
and be funny about it. That is probably the biggest difference. Don’t take it personally when someone disagrees with you.
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CBKWit….just to make things clear…I’ve posted on BI with over 10k posts….I wouldn’t have made it that far if I freaked out every time somebody disagreed with me… what I felt was wrong is that Cugel and others twisted my words when I was honestly asking questions into that I"m some kind of conspiracy nut when I never ever said I believe that stuff… and then some just piled and I think there is a double standard….that is my honest opinion. Some guys here bash BI for being to negative but in some ways, the group think and word twisting here is much worse….
I’ve actually defended CGB on BI when the basher came out..me and sycasey…I’ve been here awhile but when I turned into a NegaBear this year, somehow I felt less welcomed…either way, I’m trying to put it behind me and I still like to form my own opinions without “the gang” twisting things all around because it doesn’t fit their model….
thanks for the reply…
well, I call people out when I see something that doesn’t quite hold water (ie, Avi predicting we would win 4 of 5 starting with SC). Unfortunately, I was right, but perhaps being right on occasion gives me a small dose of credibility.
I do think being a mod/content contributor does lend some credibility. Although I am pretty certain I am correct about a lot of things regarding Cal’s football program, and while I may know more about football then a fair amount of fans, I certainly don’t have the xs and os expertise that Hydro does, and I’m certainly wrong a fair amount.
Also, I think arguing with Twist is a tough enterprise. Twist adds a lot to this site in terms of tone and humor (seriously!), but it is frustrating when he jokes around when it suits his needs and you want to have a serious conversation. So, my advice is debate with other people and just joke around with Twist, you’ll be happier that way.
I do think this board is, in general, quite positive about Tedford. The original people, myself included, came of Cal fan age at the end of Holmoe’s tenure and the beginning of Tedford’s, so it’s not surprising that we give Tedford the benefit of the doubt and that attitude permeates the blog. For better or for worse, blogs and commentators almost always take on the character of their founders/content contributors/mods.
Now, I have been quite critical of our program for the last couple years, as I see the program trend towards blowout losses, losses to inferior teams, the lack of a passing game, and general sloppiness. On the last point, Gregg Easterbrook (who I generally think is pompous and simplistic, but who I agree with here) would say it’s a lack of “football IQ,” which is totally on the coaches.. In general, my view that coaches have a huge impact on football, especially at the collegiate level (which is significantly informed, ironically enough, by Cal’s incredible turnaround in Tedford’s first year) sets me apart from other mods here, who put more emphasis on player execution. Therefore, I am much more likely to criticize the staff, while others are more likely to criticize the players.
You have to be willing to have people disagree with you. As long as you can have a sense of humor about yourself and your posts, people will be more likely to listen to you and accept your posts.
Fight the good fight Cal_Fan2. You’re Cal_Fan1 in my book. (Not really, that is Kodiak for his thankless, arduous moderating efforts)
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Woo-hoo! I’ve made it to the big time! I’m #1 in the Most Useless Mod’s Big Book of Fans!!!
Do I get a belt? Or am I allowed to grow a scruffy beard?
Can I rest on my laurels and avoid commenting after Cal victories?
Brb, gotta go upstairs and tell my mom.
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who wears belts these days?
all suspenders baby! Actually, since I gained back the backpacking weight I lost, I have no need for a belt. Fatness = the natural belt.
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thanks…again, it is NOT the disagreements…it was the twisting of words and labeling my a conspiracy theorist which I had nothing to do with but ask questions…I thought CGB was enlightened enough to at least listen to questions.. yes, I’ve been more critical this year…way more, but the double standard bothered me…..I’m not the only one who feels this so just let me have my opinion on that if I may…I’ve been around Cal football since 1975. I"m not always right and I’m not a smart x’s and o’s guy like Kodiak and Hydro…but I have paid my dues with Cal football longer than most posters here have been alive..
LOL…by the way…you’ll notice that before the last few months, I had a great sense of humor and posted jokes and pics of that nature….I’ve done that for a couple of years…something about this year has changed me…. I take part responsibility for my posting behavior and have actually apologized a couple of time… I would think that means something
thanks
Also, I think arguing with Twist is a tough enterprise. Twist adds a lot to this site in terms of tone and humor (seriously!), but it is frustrating when he jokes around when it suits his needs and you want to have a serious conversation. So, my advice is debate with other people and just joke around with Twist, you’ll be happier that way.
I try to be serious when it comes to helping facilitate conversation and keep great discussions going. CBKWit and others have criticized me for being a little too DBD on the front page and I think its a reasonable criticism. Ive tried to have a stronger balance on the front page, be welcoming, and have great conversations.
The fact of the matter is IM terrible at Xs and Os. And Im helplessly optimistic. So, sometimes people think Im just making up shit to play devil’s advocate, but I do try to be honest to my beliefs.
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I don’t think anyone has called you a trouble maker or accused you of posting here in bad faith. You’ve been around a while and you seem like a solid dude. The people you mentioned look a lot more like they’re only here to stir the pot. That’s the difference.
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by atomsareenough on Nov 3, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
…..plus I just agree with Kodiak and Twist on a bunch of stuff and posted it….that is discounted but going against the grain is magnified.. I don’t get it….I’m not alone in that assessment…either way, I wrote my peace to Kodiak and would prefer to let it lie there…I understand you can’t be negative about the program here too much and since this is a private board, I’ll try to adhere….but like I said, i haven’t always been this negative or critical…..a lot of people are…tons, they just stay away from posting here…..wise decision on their part…..
good night….I really have said my peace….
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Hey kid,
Do you want us to sign something for you?
Maybe you’d like a Hit Squad sticker or decoder ring?
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I don't think anyone will complain
at this point that Maynard did not have long enough of a leash. Ergo short or long leash, the guy’s had his fair chance.
Um...
…..Riley was injured in the 2008 Oregon game…THAT’S why he was benched. What everyone pretty much objected to about that QB controversy was why Longshore got to play hurt, and why Tedford was allowing Longshore to make that call.
True about the Oregon game
But Riley was benched earlier that year. Longshore got the start in the ASU game. Tedford then benched Longshore in favor of Riley after the Arizona game, I believe it was.
The Oregon game was the only game where injury came into play. And I guess the ’SC game.
What about ASU? What about Emerald Bowl? etc
In other words, Go Bears!
Riley was injured prior to the Emerald Bowl
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach
Tedford chose Longshore, the oft-booed senior, to start his final college game instead of Kevin Riley, the Bears’ starter for most of this year and the star of last season’s comeback victory in the Armed Forces Bowl. If Riley is injured, the Bears won’t acknowledge it
I don’t remember a confirmation
In other words, Go Bears!
That doesn't quite count as a confirmation
Though it was widely rumored at the time
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Winning seems to be the crux of the situation here. As they say, “winning cures all”.
If (big IF now) we had been even mediocre against uclol and come away with a win, we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion now.
Utah made $C seem like an aberration. Those two data points seemed to cancel each other out. Now, we have a new data point, which is off the charts bad. What does this mean? Is Bridgford suddenly better? ZM may be no Rodgers, but that doesn’t make Bridgford into Rodgers either.
Bottom line, we sucked in most phases of execution on Saturday. There was no D to save the O or vice versa. It’s not ALL ZM’s fault, but he was certainly a major contributing factor.
They’ll stop complaining when the starting QB stops shitting himself time and again and year in and year out.
We don’t need ARod every year. That’s unrealistic. But either give us a slightly above average type like a Sean Cannfield and the like every once in awhile.
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by carp on Nov 1, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is the most frustrating part of it all. Getting a ARod or Luck type talent is great but not common.
I will take a Boller 02 or Longshore 06 at this point.
He was 28th in passer rating in 2006
I guess it depends on your definition of where the cutoff is for ‘elite’, but that’s 28th out of 100 guys listed while having a future 1st round NFL quality RB and a future elite NFL WR on his roster and an above average offensive line.
I disagree that Longshore was elite, he was certainly good but he was not elite.
If he were elite I doubt we would have gotten blown out at Tennessee and our offense would have had more success against SC.
And we would have beaten Arizona.
The hope was that he might reach elite level in the next two seasons (he was only a soph in ’06), but we all know how that worked out.
Oh wow, I have really blocked that Arizona game out of my mind as I totally forgot about that game.
Yes, if Longshore were elite we would have won that Arizona game with ease, instead Longshore lost that Arizona game by throwing a pick six.
You are correct that Longshore was good/very good during the 06 campaign and the hope was that he would reach elite status in 07 and 08. He did look very good in the 1st half of 07 before he completely fell apart.
Actually, the intended WR messed up his route in the Arizona game. I know somebody linked to that article not too long ago. The intended WR even admitted in the interview that he messed up his route.
Link: Tucker admits he overran his route leading to the INT.
Just trying to make sure the blame is placed appropriately.
That was the 2008 game. He also threw a pick-six in the 2006 game.
by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 2, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we officially change the name of any reference to the ’06 Arizona game to “The Game Of Which We Do Not Speak”?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 3, 2011 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
No, because that name also refers to Oregon State ’07.
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by atomsareenough on Nov 3, 2011 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
nah, I agree with Spazzy
the 06 Arizona game is the one that still frustrates me to this day. That’s the one that got away.
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Yeah OSU ’07 we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Arizona ’06 was just a cavalcade of horror start to finish.
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Dramatic brainfart was horrifically painful though.
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by atomsareenough on Nov 3, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
My memory may be faulty...
…and I sure as hell don’t want to re-litigate the last six years of quarterbacking, but the thing I always thought affected the Longshore-Riley dynamic in 2007 and 2008 was the idea that CJT would rather play Longshore unless he was physically unable to perform – and even then it would be a 50/50 decision. This despite the fact that Longshore had plowed directly into the ground in the back half of 2007, and despite the fact that the only thing we had seen of Riley was the Oregon State near-comeback – a performance which didn’t seem to jibe with the insistence on playing a Longshore who was injured and who was not going to get any better until shut down. For Riley to then be on a seemingly short leash in 2008 strongly suggested that CJT had no faith in Riley as a quarterback – and I wouldn’t blame Riley for those 2008 remarks in the least.
What really rankled me was leaving Riley in the USC game last year despite a six touchdown deficit – maybe Tedford thought he was protecting Riley’s feelings or something, but I remember screaming that if Riley or Vereen broke a leg down 42-0, Tedford should be fired in the tunnel before they even get to the locker room. Couple of weeks go by, Riley goes down, and boom, we have QBs with no meaningful live-fire experience.
This is not the sort of Cal team we grew to love over the last seven or eight years. There’s no home run threat a la Chase Lynam or THA 1 (although hopefully Bam Bam Bigelow will be that soon), there’s no obvious future NFL starter as the featured running back (seriously, Arrington-Lynch-Forsett-Best-Vereen? We were BLESSED and don’t let anyone tell you different), and the offense is not the pro set – instead, we get a variation on the ill-fated “spread aspects” with some shotgun, some pistol, some derringer and some brass knuckles for all I know, and a completely different approach to quarterback than we have had heretofore. Couple that with AT&T Park and the freakazoid schedule, and quite frankly I’m amazed it took this long to turn into a 19-wheeled shit show.
TL;DR – I say all that to say this: I think AB needs some live time under center. I am not persuaded he needs to be made the starter. I am absolutely not persuaded that he will fix what ails this team. But at the very least, we need to get some sense of what the offense could or could not do with AB at the controls. 6-6 is still feasible, but that might or might not be enough for a bowl, and I’d rather have some seasoned bench guys ready for 2012 than try to scrape out a 7th win now and then be that much greener when the new stadium opens. This year, of all years, the future is NOT now.
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by VandyImport on Nov 1, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by atomsareenough on Nov 1, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Booing is easy
I think a much bigger statement would come if Cal fans refused to cheer when the offense scores a TD.
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Pretty hard to do. I cheer every time I hear the band play “Fight for Cal”. It would be better if the jumbotron would say after the INT, “Uh Jeff, that is directed at you and not Zach”.
Ugh, and I’m certain I’ll hear people justify their booing as such. It’s hard to tell the difference, for sure.
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If Zach throws an interception
I think they should just post a picture of Tiger Woods on the Jumbotron
I don’t think a lot of fans will be at the game on Saturday so I doubt any booing will be that loud.
Booing isn't the point
In fact, I hope that people will not boo.
I think silence in the wake of what should be a celebratory event (like a TD) would carry a far greater impact.
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I could never do that.
I am happy every time Cal scores or has a play that works, no matter what the circumstances just like I am annoyed every time the ’furd scores or has a play that works, no matter what the circumstances.
by C98 on Nov 1, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
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You won't be hearing boos from me
because I’ve just decided NOT to go because of this decision. And I have a free ticket!
agreed.
never thought Bridg would start, but really thought tedford meant it when he hinted that he’d give him a few more reps w/ 1st team this week. Here’s to hoping he follows through this week on that… I feel for Bridgford, he seems really psyched to have a shot!!
F*&^, F(*&, F(*&
This is my first, and probably most relevant, reaction.
I’ve already withdrawn mountains of energy from my Cal Football investment this season, And yes I’m a complete OLD BLUE die hard fan who has retained high support for the team since 1987, and yet this news somehow hits me in the gut.
No need to rehash all the good analysis that has happened here over the last few days. But we are F(&ed any way you look at it. If Maynard is our best option, our coaches are f(&ing incapable of recruiting or coaching a decent Pac12 QB. If Maynard is our best option, Tedford lacks either the balls, or the brains, to do better, and that is a damning indictment of his ability to coach.
I didn’t jump off the wagon at the first interception laced loss, or much the second, but this last one makes it abundantly clear that Maynard doesn’t have whatever it takes to play well (not throw picks) in the Pac12, and/or our coaches are incapable of getting him ready.
Why do I keep hearing the excuse that he is young this and new to Cal that. I’m so sick of that. All around the country there are young men playing QB who are younger and less experienced than Maynard and who are not throwing 3-4 picks every game. Hell, even that QB at Utah played well enough to beat the Beavers, and eveyone acknowledges he isn’t Div 1 material.
Yes, this is a tirade, but nothing pisses me off more than people not leading, or coaching, to win. And let’s not make the tired excuse that of course he wants to win. Willingham wanted to win too…It takes courage, and brains, and if you don’t have both, get out of the way for someone else to do it. It is an alchemy. And again, if Maynard is our best option, we are even more deeply screwed than not having a Pac12 caliber QB.
How many generals did Lincoln go through to find one who would fight the damn war with some determination??? He fired highly credentialed and popular men who had all the credentials, but who wouldn’t fight the damn war to win it.
I better stop. But damn it. I love my Bears too much to suck this much. And it pisses me off.
Someone said it on another thread....
Memo to JT: GO HOME AND GET SOME SLEEP. You have completely lost your view of the big picture.
I know we still have four more games this season and next year is still far away
But who do we think will be taking the snaps on openning day? Maynard, Bridgford or some other young guy?
I only ask because a lot of people assume next season is a make or break year for Tedford and that he probably needs to win 8-9 games or he might be in some serious trouble.
Does anyone believe that Maynard can get Cal to that 8-9 win mark? Does anyone believe a new freshman QB can get Cal to 8-9 wins? If Bridgford can’t beat out Maynard this season then I think we can safely assume that Bridgford definitely can’t lead us to that 8-9 wins next season.
I guess what I am getting at is Cal is kind of in a no win situation going into next season at QB and we can expect a similar season next year to this one, especially when it comes to QB play. Throw in the fact that next season will be a bit of a rebuilding season as we are losing 6 starters on defense (Kendricks, Holt, Cattouse, Campbell, Guyton, Owusu) and 4 plays on offense (Jones, Miller, Schwartz, Cheadle) I am just not seeing how Cal will be picked anywhere but at the bottom of the Pac12 and I don’t really see us winning more than five games.
I predict Hinder or Kline will be QB next year. That’s based on nothing but the shape of the clouds outside my window.
I also think next year will be Tedford’s last. I hope not, but that’s the trend right now.
If he somehow readjusts the entire team’s attitude between now and the end of the 2012 season, then he might have a chance. I don’t think its wins and losses that are killing Tedford’s career, but rather the way the team behaves when under pressure.
I just don't see how Cal can win 8 games next season
Especially if we are breaking in a new QB, as well as four new starters on offense and six new starters on defense.
Who replaces Marvin? Do we really expect our defense to be very good when we are losing both our starting ILB and starting safeties? The middle of our defense is going to take a lot of lumps next season with lots of open TE’s running wild.
Sadly, this was the season for a 8 win season, next season will be a rebuilding year.
We have some good receivers coming in next year. Well at least Bryce Treggs (probably the best football player to come from my hs).
I don’t think Tedford has to win 8 games next season to get back job security.
I do think that the team has to play competitively in big games (nationally televised) and not get blown out. Even if they win only 5 games, if the losses are at least close and don’t follow the shoot-self-in-foot pattern, most fans (well, at least one) would be happy.
I don’t mind losing. I do mind looking like we haven’t practiced and are unprepared for the game.
Okay so by those standards do you really believe a young team with a new starting QB is not going to get blown out a few times?
I could see Cal getting blown out at Ohio State, home against Washington, at USC, home against Oregon, and probably one unexplainable loss like we just witnessed on Saturday at UCLA to an average/bad team next season, that game will likely come at Oregon State.
I can imagine it. In my imagination our new starting QB doesn’t throw 3-4 interceptions in a game. Our defense holds their offense to a respectable number of points, and, though we lose, we can say “boy, Cal showed they can play with the big boys,” rather than “boy, who farted?”
Maybe I should revise and say, it’s not just the final point tally that makes the blowouts this year bad, but the WAY that we’ve gotten there (penalties, turnovers, failure to make the other team adjust their gameplan).
It’s a little premature to speculate. Keep in mind that there are much bigger year-to-year improvements in college than the NFL, plus, there is a big difference between victories on paper and victories after the games are played (see: UCLA vs Cal 2011).
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With the exception of our current OL I agree with the year-to-year improvements in college football.
I am only speculating because we will be starting a lot of new kids next season, 10 by my estimate (6 on defense, 4 on offense) The defense might not be as bad because some of those future starters are currently getting reps and seeing their PT increase.
However, it is the offense that really scares me. Who takes over opposite KA21? Calvin and Edmond both graduate so we will be starting a new kid at one WR position and we will probably have two new starters at OL with little to no experience. I suppose we will be fine with whoever replaces Miller at TE. Of course the major question mark is at QB.
It's later than you think
I only ask because a lot of people assume next season is a make or break year for Tedford and that he probably needs to win 8-9 games or he might be in some serious trouble.
No, I don’t know what the major donors are thinking. But it’s obvious to me that Tedford is in trouble now. He’s in trouble precisely because he refuses to make a change at QB in the face of evidence that should make a championship FBS head coach blanch.
Cal football is taking on water in 2011. By the time the 2012 season opens, it very likely will have water sloshing all over.
Cal football 2011 is looking more and more like 2000 with 2012 shaping up as a repeat of 2001. Gawd forbid.
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I don't know
Cal football 2011 is looking more and more like 2000 with 2012 shaping up as a repeat of 2001. Gawd forbid.
I was thinking more that 2011 is looking more and more like 1994 with 2012 shaping up as a repeat of 1995.
Fair enough
I can see the parallels. I also appreciate the historical perspective.
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Our best shot at 8 wins next year
is Bridgford by the logic that it’s definitely not Maynard and Mansion is graduating.
No true frosh QB is going to start at Cal. They won’t know enough of the playbook to warrant it.
could be hinder, no? wasn’t longshore supposed to start as RS freshman before he got hurt?
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by hardtobecalfan on Nov 1, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree that our best shot at a winning season or just a bowl season next year is with AB
I doubt a freshman QB starts for Cal and if one does well I doubt we have a winning season or even get the 6 wins required to go to a bowl game.
Next season is going to be brutal and fan patience is already running thin. You might see some very small crowds at New Memorial next season.
Just wanted to point out
Though the headline says Tedford has named Maynard the starter, the actual tweet says that Maynard is the starter “as of today.” Believe what you wish about what that means, but I offer this as history: when Levy got the starting nod over Ayoob in 2005, he wasn’t named the starter until Thursday before the game.
I'm starting to believe in Kennedy, UFO, and 9-11 conspiracies, too
The revelation on how he really got a 5 star recruit to back out of his Alabama commitment and how he got a troop of North Carolina stars to go to a lower mid level Pac 10 school.
Hey, I said the same thing above! Us lawyers think alike!
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Meanwhile, it looks like Okanes got layed off..........
@OkanesonCal Jonathan Okanes
Thanks to everyone for their support and interest over the years, but I’ll be back bigger and better.
Wow, now that is really sad
good luck to Okanes.
In the middle of the season?
That’s strange. Hopefully he finds a better gig soon.
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Not a surprise
He was blogging not to lose and refused to replace his head intern after repeatedly throwing story leads to other publications.
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by CalBandGreat on Nov 1, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sad news...
… but can’t help but think that good and free blogs like this one are part of the forces at play here.
Sorry, JO!
What was more like it was economic forces outside of all of our control.
Tedford shutting down practice really hurt, bc it didnt give Okanes any inside info. We have no inside info here and we just get it from the experts.
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Also, average team=less traffic=less need to have a Cal beat reporter.
by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 1, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
he was reporting not to lose.
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--Coach Clark
If Bridgford doesn't start or play this season
I’m guessing a transfer will be happening if he doesn’t win the starting job in the spring. No reason to languish on the bench another year when you can showcase your talents elsewhere, particularly with no guarantees you’ll win the job from Hinder, Boehm, or Kline.
He’s still a soph, so he can probably play two years, maybe play immediately at an FCS school if he so chooses.
by Avinash Kunnath on Nov 1, 2011 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Oh snap! MOD ACTION on the page! Is it Training Day for Cugel?
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The backup QB is everyone's savior
…until he gets a shot.
by Oski4Heisman on Nov 1, 2011 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Doom
Wish I had not seen that video of pregnant pauses and palpable tension. Now I feel 10x more sad.
by Pimentel's Cookies on Nov 1, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
man, that is the most awkward press conference ever. Everyone knows shit is fucked up and bullshit but can’t actually say it.
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
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by turkey on Nov 1, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I thought it was odd one of the reporters was holding up this sign the whole time
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by CalBandGreat on Nov 1, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
ok, somebody has to explain to me what the dude rolling on the ground is doing. It seems like every post-game press interview has, at some point, a dude rolling through the frame in the background.
I assume its some sort of exercise or rehabilitation, but it always makes me laugh when, mid-awkward silence, a dude rolls on through.
“Coach, any word about rumors of your new roll-oriented offensive scheme?”
pregnant silence"
*dude rolls on through
it’s a punishment alternative to running laps.
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Thatd be really funny
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Well, Moragabear over at BI said the practice rep distribution is more even this week….
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shamelessly stolen from BI
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by turkey on Nov 1, 2011 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Is he wearing a backpack?
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fancy nike sweater stripes
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It looks like hes on his way to home ec before biology class.
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I still think we jumped the gun here a bit. We know Tedford said that the Maynard is the starter as of now. Lots can change between now and Saturday.
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Its my inner lawyer
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STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!
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Now, it is time to dance!"
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by Redonkulous Bear on Nov 1, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I really don't care
Just win. I have no clue who is more prepared, better suited, or has more potential. I’ll root for whoever they put out there and believe that he is our best option.
by cal85 on Nov 1, 2011 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 16 recs
I just tried to rec this, but couldn’t, because I had already rec’d it.
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
I recd it for you!
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Rec'd with the force of a million suns.
Bobcore related.
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