Cal Football: Climbing Out Of The Trough
This is different.
I've seen bad 28 point losses. In Cal's last trip up to Oregon State, they lost by 28 to a team with four walk-on offensive lineman that dismantled a solid front seven within thirty minutes. I watched Brock Mansion throw the hardest looking incompletions against a Beaver defense that would end up making Richard Brehaut and a 2-10 WSU team look terribly competent. I watched Kevin Riley go down on some of the worst O-line execution you'll ever see, and a season come apart at the seams. That was incompetence and stupidity of the highest form, and I would never want to relive any of it again.
This wasn't that. This was different.
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Zach Maynard had the jitters. It was clear early on when he saw a flash of white, hauled the ball down the field, and decked Puddles smack dab in the middle of his forehead. (It's not clear that this actually happened, you'll have to check eBaumsWorld for the vid probably). Usually Maynard could recover by hitting Marvin Jones and Keenan Allen with some deep throws, but even that deserted him on Saturday. That brotherly connection with Allen kept him from totally falling apart though. I don't think I've ever seen quite anything like that throw to his brother in the end zone, where he looked like he was whipping his entire body to prepare for a sack that was never coming.
Yet even despite those struggles, the worst of Maynard was far better than the worst Cal QBs had to offer last season. Maynard kept drives going just enough in the first half to set up opportunities for points, which is a sign that he can at least get the ball rolling. The Bears generated 350+ yards with Maynard in the game. He didn't finish many of them as he kept on missing his targets, but remember the last couple of years when Cal would punt the majority of that yardage? These are positive flickers, positive developments. These fifteen points were hard-earned and relevant, as opposed to the garbage-time touchdowns we put up last season.
Allan Bridgford has his own troubles, but he also looks a solid back-up who got some important reps. He had some nice drives at the end of the game and got Cal into scoring position, but he also has to work on his finishing ability. However, he's probably closer to where Riley was the past few seasons than Mansion, which is an encouraging development.
Red zone problems are troublesome, but it's a better dilemma then "just getting to the red zone" problems.
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Keenan Allen and Marvin Jones may be the future pro talents on the offense, but Isi Sofele showed me football talent on Thursday night. Sofele was bouncing back, finding the edges, making so many of Cal's big offensive plays that it should have given his critics some pause, at least until the next week when they gear back up again.
Unfortunately, Sofele's big runs almost always ended up with him taking a seat on the bench. Sofele still hasn't developed himself to the point where he can handle a huge workload, nor stay in the game after big-time runs the way a Vereen or a Best or a Forsett could do. Sofele is getting better at being one of Cal's workhorses, but he needs help, needs balance to keep the run attack strong.
C.J. Anderson has shown flashes, but he isn't there yet--he got rushed and pushed back without much difficulty on too many runs in Autzen. Covaughn Deboskie-Johnson isn't even running the ball; he might never reach there. Brendan Bigelow fielded a kickoff that was bouncing out of bounds. There are pieces, but they don't fit together yet. They produce but don't finish. It's a problem that can only be fixed with time and experience.
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For two quarters, the Cal defense tried to make do with only the spirits of guys like D. Hill and CamJo, MikeyMo and Conte guiding them along. They tried to contain (although they did make some huge slip ups). They blew things up on the inside. They put pressure on the quarterback. Even with LaMichael and De'Anthony running loose on the outside, for awhile it looked like it might work, and Cal could keep things close for their offense to keep pace.
Then in the second half, they got slow burned for a five minute drive, and suddenly the gloves were off. They lost contain, couldn't blow up anyone anymore, and were roasted. The energy was all expended in an effort to race early to the lead, to fight Oregon from ahead. The offense couldn't get far ahead enough, and the defense ended up paying the price when their all-or-nothing strategy got turned back on them.
It was a thirty minute effort by a defense that thought it could summon the spirits of those ghosts of the past to get an upset. But ghosts can't tackle. They're spectators like the rest of us, and Cal was left with broken play after broken play in both the run and pass attack. Mychal Kendricks and Sean Cattouse were great supporters of Mike Mohamed and Chris Conte, but the young Cal OLBs and new Cal DBs just weren't ready to shoulder the load and made too many mistakes for the backline to support.
(By the way, I remember one play where Cal sent six defenders at Da. Thomas, the O-line picked it up, and he found De'Anthony for the game-clinching score. As that instant replay with the six man blitz came up on the screen, I swear Craig James said the following words, "Cal has stopped being aggressive in this second half. They're sitting back and letting Oregon take over this game." Craig James has stock in Pravda, I'm almost sure of it now.)
***
Cal has a new starting quarterback, new running backs, new outside linebackers, new safeties. We lost four NFL talents and a handful of others. The talent for the veterans has never been lower.
Cal is playing better in the trenches. The offensive line is playing better. The defensive line plays with fire. The corners look more assured. The wide receivers are in a better place. They're fighting, but other than maybe Allen, no one is game-changing.
The talent on this team is young; the vets that are left are decent enough players, but they need those guys to grow in a hurry. We knew it would be a rebuilding season, but we so desperately want to believe that this team can start winning right now. But they still are making mistakes, fundamental mistakes that are costing them in the trenches. They are fixable though.
The lost years of 2009 and 2010 could've been salvaged with the coaching of 2011. Right now 2011 is going as 2011 should be going.
***
Oregon tornadoed Cal in that third quarter because the Ducks are two-time Pac-12 champions who have the players and the system in place, the reps to understand how to fight back from a deficit. Not a lot of players are back from that title team, but Cal lost as many players as Oregon from that team, and the Ducks have faced halftime deficits like this for about a year or so before gangbusting in the third quarter. The Bears are a team trying to find its way back.
This game didn't nibble at your soul and make you question your fandom. There are glimpses of a real good Cal team in there, but the talent is young and Oregon still has just enough to reign supreme. Learning how to execute is what keeps the youngsters from being great, and right now that's Tedford's biggest task: Getting this team the reps, so that they know what to do the line.
In fact, it just confirmed a lot of conceptions about where we stood and where we felt we were as a team. We're still a few hours short of midnight, and time moves too slowly in the development of student-athletes. We want them to get there now, but freshmen will still be freshmen tomorrow and first-time starters won't be getting a year or two older for next week against USC. But eventually things will start clicking for these guys.
They're fighting. They're landing punches. But just like Foreman trying to brute his way through Ali in Zaire, they don't know how to finish things up. They need to learn how to win the bout instead of the rounds.
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We got beat by a much better, more efficient team yesterday. The duckers showed a lot of poise, confidence, and (perhaps most importantly) even though they had more than a few mental mistakes, they executed their plays. BY that, I mean Thomas’ throws were on target; their OL tended to finish blocks; their backs made the right cuts; their defense tended to play in their spots; and their receivers made catches.
These are things we either didn’t do, or didn’t do enough.
As Ohio Bear pointed out in the previous post, last night showed us just how far away from being a contender we are. The loss was less about us and more about them. Even if we convert those red-zone possessions for touchdowns we probably lose this game.
We could go all uclol fan and delude ourselves into believing that had we scored TDs instead of FGs in that first half we could have won this game. It’s a nice fantasy, but I don’t buy it. Sometimes you get whupped by a better team, and all you can do is acknowledge that. We got whupped by a better team. Our failure to convert red-zone opportunities, or the dropped balls, or poorly thrown passes, or defensive breakdowns just made that whupping bigger than it could have been.
Being an Old Blue means never accepting success.
I wouldn’t say we lose. Being up 24-14/28-14/31-14 is far different than 15-14. Does the defense press as much even if we give up that opening score? Do we trust Isi and C.J. to run the ball more instead of put Zach in a position to throw, throw, throw? This isn’t a great Oregon team; they have enough veteran savvy and talent to make big plays, but they’re a step below last year. They were beatable in this one.
I would agree with you that our chances at victory were slim, and we had to play perfect ball early to win this one. Tough sledding.
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 7, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I share your underlying point, SoCal Oski, but disagree that better QB play (to a level comparable to the AVERAGE QB in the PAC 12) would not have made a substantive difference in this game. I think us being up 28-14 at the half, and scoring another 14 in the second, gives us a real fighting a chance, and a burst of spirit on the defense.
Agreed Oregon executed better, and their speed at back beat us, but we were blown out because Maynard could not throw.
Really, at this point, is there a starting Pac12 QB who isn’t playing better than Maynard? Maybe only Manion at OSU and Bruehart, and that last one is toss up to me.
Foles-better
Ossweiler-better
Barkley-better
Price-better
Wynn-better
Lobbenstal-better
Hansen-better
Luck-better
My point being, we have crap for QB play and this is beyond O-line issues and such. This is on Maynard, and Tedford, and Kiseau. This is on us not either recruiting or coaching up a good QB in so many years that I am giving up hope that we can get it done this year or next.
Yeah, I see your point, but I think maybe I wasn’t clear about mine.
We have the players we have. We don’t have Luck or Foles or anyone else. I honestly belive that, with the players we have, even if Maynard was more accurate in his passing, we lose this game. We lose because that oregun team is just better at doing what they do than we are.
More accurate passing, more disciplined defensive play, and better running may have made the game closer, but ultimately we still lose. With the players we have.
Admitting this doesn’t seem like a defeatist attitude to me. We aren’t where we need to be to contend for the conference title. Another year or so, and I believe we are. But other fanbases seem to look at one or two good drives and suddenly think they are better than they are. It would be easy for us to do the same by saying, “well if we scored then …” or “if we only tackled that guy …” or “if the refs made that call …”
The thing is, those didn’t happen, and they didn’t happen for a reason. Because our play isn’t yet at the level where those things do happen. They happened for the other guys because their play is.
Our team has a lot of potential, and a lot of upside. But we just aren’t there yet.
Being an Old Blue means never accepting success.
I won’t throw in the towel on Maynard until he at least has a chance to steady himself with some “home” games. This road-road-road schedule has been brutal.
His inaccuracy seems uncorrelated with the opponent or home/road.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
We don’t have proof.
Fresno = away (more Fresno fans than Cal fans)
Colorado = away
Presby = An out of sync offense on a strange field with no crowd noise at all
UW = away
Oregon = away
I fear he won’t get the true home experience until next year, or at least until we go to the Farm
In other words, Go Bears!
With the exception of Wynn and Hansen I completely agree
I am not seeing any growth from Maynard at all. I knew he would be a work in progress and would need sometime to kick off the rust of sitting a year but here we are 6 weeks into the season and the same issues that plagued him against FSU continue to be a problem today.
I am also giving up hope that we will ever see another good QB under Tedford.
That last sentence seems like an overreaction.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 7, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
too soon?
Post-injury Longshore
Riley
Mansion
Sweeney
Maynard
Bridgford
Let’s just hope this Rottingham guy out of Danville sucks in the post-Luck era.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Winning the Game
I don’t believe anyone can say we would have won the game if we made TD’s rather than field goals, but certainly the game would have remained competative; it could have been a 38-35 game.
The offense lost this game. Maynard is not a PAC12 quality QB and JT has given up accuracy and decision making for mobility; yet Maynard is not that mobile, no more mobile than Luck.
Bridgford, with more reps, can surpass Maynard and be our starting QB. I hope it happens sooner than later. Bridgford is more accurate, is mobile enough and with a little experience, will be a better decision maker. He has more upside than Maynard who will not improve beyond what he has shown so far.
And so it begins!
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by TwistNHook on Oct 7, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
When Aaron Rodgers Jr. laces up for Cal in 20 years!
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by TwistNHook on Oct 7, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the fact that all the praise of Bridgford is directly contradicted by the game tape.
I don’t know how you watch a backup quarterback throw into double and triple coverage that consistently and say to yourself “quarterback controversy!”
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Whenthey showed the clip of Bridgford warming up, I clapped gleefully to myself and said “COMMENTS, BAYBEE!” It’s all very rational self-interest over here.
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Bridgford
Maybe you should take a long look at when Bridgford came into the game. Oregon knew he was only going to pass. They rushed 4 and dropped 7. He was trying to make plays into that defense. It is not a honest assessment of how Bridgford would play had he started the game and had the opportunity to run a balanced offense.
Was he playing against Oregon’s #1 defense? It can cut both ways.
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Really? T hey had the #1 defense in up like 40,000 touchdowns wiht a few minutes left in teh game? Chip Kelly is a Dickensian hellscape few can escape from!
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Well seems like Chris Conte thinks Bridgford should be starting too….unless of course some here don’t think he knows anything about football…..just sayin’…..
Why isn’t Bridgeford starting
@califresh4life. Just speaking off fundamentals alone @Thebridbman16 is on another level…need a qb that can make the necessary easy throws
So, if some person wants Maynard to start (and thus is in disagreement with Conte), then they think Chris Conte doesn’t know anything about football?
I dont understand why those statements are correlated. Perhaps you can help me better understand.
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I will help you understand…when the guy above, fatoskii said Bridgford should start, his opinion not mine, you wrote “and so it begins” and it was actually highlighted and Avi wrote “does it ever end”… so both of you were mocking him sarcastically for expressing his views. I’m merely pointing out that others including Chris and actually Donovan Edwards tweeted similar stuff were wondering why Bridgford wasn’t starting. I am not of that opinion but I’m actually pointing out that other actual football players have stated the same. I’m merely sticking up for the guy with an opinion who posted it without bashing anyone. I don’t agree with him but since he was civil, I don’t think mods should ridicule him in that manner…..just my 2 cents..
I wasn’t mocking the guy. I was just saying that I knew when I saw Bridgford warming up, there would be a quarterback controversy. That was the first comment I saw expressing the desire for Bridgford to start (thus, starting the Quarterback controversy).
So, I said “And so it begins!” Because the quarterback controversy conversation was, well, beginning. Seemed pretty straight forward to me. Then, I made a few jokes about how this will be great comments for CGB and how nobody is going to like our QB until Aaron Rodgers Jr. rolls in.
Regarding the issue specifically, my honest opinion is that I think Maynard should continue to start. I think there are reasonable arguments for both Maynard and Bridgford. I liked Bridgford’s throws. Great spiral! But I was concerned about some of his decision making. In specific, it seemed as if many of his throws were fortunate to not be picked.
Although Maynard did have a REALLY bad game, I don’t think we should just abandon him just because he’s had one REALLY bad game. I know he hasnt been picture perfect the first few games, but I do have faith in him to get better.
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I agree with you about Maynard. I think he needs some time and wasn’t agreeing with the guy as I stated earlier. Maybe I misread the intent of your post but since he was being civil about it, I was only standing up for his right to express that without derision. If that was not your intent then I apologize for taking it out of context. As someone who is not part of the “gang” here but still post, I understand that some folks can be mocked out of fun because it is a family here and you can always pick on your friends. I wasn’t sure if fatoski was part of that comraderie (sp?) so I was only sticking up for his opinion, not agreeing with it.. peace out my friend…
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you don't need me to stand up for you but this is ridiculous...
and i realize me standing up for you probably hurts your cause, but you should not have to apologize or explain your “and so it begins” post. For anyone to suggest that post is “bashing” anyone is ridiculous. As for being derisive, I think you’re allowed to be derisive, except you weren’t. It was simply stating the obvious.
Fiatlux, I’m happy to explain any of my comments to any reader. I think I owe them that, certainly.
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So You Still Like Maynard
You are critical of Bridgford for some of his decision making yet no comment about decision making of Maynard when Maynard had the benefit of starting the game and did not face a defense that was playing the pass only.
If you listened to the TV broadcast, it was said many times that Maynard was not only making poor decisions; making predetermined passes, his accuracy is subject to question, his footwork is beyond bad and his pocket pressence is non existant.
If you think he is going to improve over the next games, I really question what basis you have for that opinion.
Bridgford came in with 10:00 left in the 4th. The Ducks had a big lead, but the game wasn’t technically out of reach yet.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 7, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Really
You can’t be serious. The game was over!!!!!!!!!
Well, as a practical matter it probably was. But just think, a quick TD and say a fumble-TD and all of a sudden it could have been a 2-score game with like 8 minutes left. Anything can happen. Not saying it was at all likely, but I’d say the game was truly out of reach only after we didn’t score on that drive.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 8, 2011 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Btw, Oregon third quarter stats in close games in Autzen in conference play under Chipper
Outscored Cal 22-0 en route to 43-15 victory.
Outscored Arizona 20-0 en route to 48-29 victory.
Outscored UW 21-10 en route to 53-16 victory
Outscored Furd 14-0 en route to 52-31 victory.
Outscored USC 17-3 en route to 47-20 victory.
We’re not alone in hitting in the wall in the third against this team.
At that point, I think you have to say it’s not Cal or USC hitting the wall in the third quarter – it’s that Oregon makes successful adjustments in the second half. (USC’s defense hits a wall in the fourth quarter but that’s not unique to playing Oregon, that didn’t seem to be the issue for Cal last night).
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Good post AK
Btw, Oregon outscored Furd 28-0 in the second half. Andrew Luck, zero points v. Oregon at Autzen last year in the 2nd half — would you believe that?
That game should’ve been much closer. Furd couldn’t finish their drives. Sound familiar?
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 7, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This game was there for the taking
Yeah, Isi had a nice game, but past Golden Bear RB’s and current taleneted Pac12 RB’s would have taken a couple of those to the house.
The real hero of this game is Cal’s OL. I really thought they’d be god awful this year. Consider me surprised in this area.
Also shocking is the ability of a thrower to be so inaccurate.
Combined, fairly easily, 15 could have been the momentum changing 28 points in the first half. Still wouldn’t necessarily mean it would have changed the 3rd quarter from a defensive standpoint, but it might have.
Pre-injury Longshore, and pick any of your 3 favorite tailbacks in the Tedford era and I think Cal wins this game. That’s how close it really was.
For this year, I hope we get 4 or 5 conference wins, a bowl game, and a nice victory over ASU or USC – perhaps both. I think if this team only wins 2 conference games, then I think Tedford’s seat gets a little warmer only because The Messenger is getting old.
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Yep great post and I agree carp
I have been pleasantly surprised by Cals OL, which has continued to show growth and imrpovement throughout the season. They have really improved their pass and run blocking, while also cutting down on the penalties.
I too hope we get 4 or 5 conference wins but I think that is a long shot. Looking at the remaining schedule and Cals history on the road and against some of the teams we still have left to play (SC, OSU) as well as not playing in Memorial, I only see 2 conference wins.
Another 5-7 season, another losing season, another year without even a lower level bowl.
I don’t think Cal’s “history” against OSU matters. Until OSU shows some improvement and, you know, wins a game, I’m going to say Cal should win that one.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 7, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I beleive our history against Mike Riley does matter, Riley has proven he is a good coach
who has proven he can design a game plan and strategy to defeat more talented Cal and SC teams with inferior talented OSU squads.
How about this instead, Tedfords history against Mike Riley and inability to beat him leaves me concerned that we will lose this game. Has Tedford ever beat OSU at home? I don’t believe he has.
and the game is like a month from now, which is considered light years for Oregon St’s program. It ain’t a W yet…
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--Coach Clark
Yep and despite being winless, I have seen signs of life and improvement from OSU
their new QB Mannion has impressed me. Mannion, despite less talent around him on offense has a higher completion % than Maynard.
Mannion is at 62.5%
Maynard is at 51.4%
Completion rating isn’t everything. Did you see that ASU game? He and OSU could not do anything with those gift TOs ASU gave them. Mannion had a terrible 5.17ypa, 1TD and 4 interceptions…while maintaining a 60% completion rating.
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Not h is best game but ASU does have a good defense this year
and it was a road game. Who knows how well Maynard is going to perform against them but we will find out at the end of the season.
Besides, even Barkley had a bad game against ASU, so maybe, just maybe their defense is that good.
He has, but talent isn’t completely irrelevant here, and it seems pretty clear that talent-wise, this Beaver team is at low tide at the moment. I’m not saying it’s a guaranteed win, but we should believe that we can beat them until the current teams’ results on the field begin to indicate otherwise.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 7, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Regarding Cals talent I think you can make an argument and people have on this site and even in this post
Avinash stated that Cal talent-wise is also experiencing a low tide at the moment. So you have potentially the least talented Cal and OSU team of the last decade playing each other. So this will probably come down to coaching. I really hope Tedford and our staff is able to out coach Riley.
I would give Cal a slight lead in talent this season but I would also give Cal the advantage in talent over OSU for the majority of this decade under Tedford yet Tedord and Cal has only 2 wins against OSU this last decade.
If Sac State can beat them, we should be able to beat them. Yeah, they have Rodgers and Halahuni back, but they’re 0-4 and we’re playing them at home. If we lose our next 3 games and they win theirs, I’ll reconsider our odds, certainly, but as of now, we should win based on how the two teams have played this year.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 7, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
That Sac State game will be two months removed from the time we play them
and will mean little to nothing by November 12th.
The OSU team we face in November will be drastically different from the one that Sac State. It will have a new QB, James Rogers back, their TE back, and I am sure a few other players that have been injured.
Of course, injuries could still play a role in our game against them as each still has a motnh until we play each other and a lot of things can happen between now and then.
Sure, a lot can change in a month. That’s why I said, for example…
If we lose our next 3 games and they win theirs, I’ll reconsider our odds, certainly
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by atomsareenough on Oct 7, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
I think the OL is awful, though I’d agree they’re improving. One has to consider that very few DLs in the conference are good…certainly not the Ducks or Huskies….an “heroic” offensive line would have ground down both the Ducks and Huskies and made things easier on the playmakers in the third and fourth quarters. The OL is improving technically, but they still completely lack any toughness, and they’re certainly not fit enough to go a whole game (they’ve been worse in the fourth quarters than the rest of games).
I think at times Maynard makes them look better, and I also think that even Best and Lynch would not be able to shake two tacklers 3 yards behind the LoS, but I actually expeceted a lot worse. I mean, we moved our promising LG to RT because we didn’t have enough tackles who can play.
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Agree on the OL
They were surprisingly good. And most importantly we stopped with the dumb penalties (the last offensive facemask was against Presby!)
In other words, Go Bears!
great post mortem
The presumed victims put up a hell of a fight for a while but in the end, with the proverbial writing all over the wall, they succumb to superior evil forces.
Have’nt we all seen this tragedy before albeit with different actors??
All alone in the dark with my friend Mr. Johnny Walker, I am in agony with nothing but that amber elixir to help me heal my soul….
Some stats alone sound good like 465 total yards….and rushing for 144 yards with a 5.3 per attempt…not bad….BUT
I don’t feel all that much better because Maynard is WAAAAYY better than Mansion. Mansion was so bad that anyone would beat him…here is what worries me after 5 games..
Passing… 28-60 for 321 yards. Maynard 20/41 and Bridgford 9/18. Yes, Maynard had some good drives at times but he stalled even more of them with terrible inaccuracy…..and that pattern has been pretty much the same for all games not without Presby….nothing leads me to believe he is getting better at that….I’m concerned… A LOT !!
I would say Maynard is remarkably consistent
In almost every game so far this season he’s completed about half his passes. Yet through the first half of yesterday his penchant for big plays was enough to keep us in every game.
We all know what we were getting with Zach. Kid needed work and his technique is pretty poor. But his connection with Allen is a definite game-changer, and has helped us win one game and nearly steal another one. If he can settle down, learn from his mistakes and play ball the rest of the season, the offense can get pretty good in a hurry. I think that’s what Tedford is banking on.
Too early to pull the plug with Zach, but I’m sure Tedford is seeing the same things you’re seeing. If there are no changes, he might have to go with Bridgford, but even some improvement by Maynard could drastically upgrade this offense.
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 7, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree and that is why I said his pattern is pretty much the same….I’m not ready to pull the plug and I’m not one of those “fire everyone” guys like you see on BI many times, but I am concerned since 50% passing won’t get it done unless ALL other facets of the game are dominant. I am encouraged a bit by our OL playing better but many of his inaccurate throws were not under severe pressure which bring up visions of Riley. Don’t get me wrong, Maynard has much more “big play” ability than Riley. One thing I’ve noticed is that it seems to me that when Maynard runs, he doesn’t look all that dynamic or fast. Maybe my eyes deceive me but I’m not seeing that Vick quality yet….
Maynard has some athleticism, but I don’t think it’s not going to show up against Oregon. Those defenders are too fast and close to the ball too well. They have to tackle Lamichael and De’Anthony in practice! They’re well-prepared for defending athleticism (less so adept against power, which is why Furd should have an advantage this year).
I’d be intrigued to see if he can use it to his advantage against USC. We shall see though.
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 7, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this but we are in the 6th week of the season and Maynard hasn't shown much
improvement in his accuracy. I am hoping the “light bulb” goes off sooner rather than later. However, with the lack of quality QB development, improvement, and play for Cal over the last 6 seasons I have little reason to believe that is going to happen. I will continue to hope for improvement and progress from Maynard but past seasons have given me little reason to believe that will actually happen.
Honestly, I think the best we can hope for from Maynard is some incremental improvement in completion % (like he can get to being a 55% guy, but I don’t think he’s going to be a 60% guy, at least not consistently) and that he can get to the point where he’s always able to hit on enough big plays to make up for his overall lack of accuracy. He can be a “feast or famine” guy with enough “feast” plays to be a net positive. He’s not going to become an accurate pocket passer like Aaron Rodgers or healthy Nate Longshore.
Consistently inconsistent...
….is inconsistent.
Though I'll add....
…..I’d still like to see more of him and Bridgeford didn’t make me want to start a QB controversy.
True
Let’s stick with Maynard. I’d like to see more read option, pistol and rollouts. Use Zach’s strengths. Sitting in the pocket going through his progressions, is not his strength. I think Zach was confused by Nick Alliotti’s BBDB defense — a lot of guys in coverage.
I don’t know a lot about the Xs and the Os. So, I often can’t participate in more in depth conversations about what we should have expected out of this player or that. And how this player or that player might have failed to live up to expectations.
All I know is that my expectations for games like this are not to be humilated on the national stage. Again.
It’s unfortunate that that is even what the standard is at right now. And we still couldn’t meet that standard!
The only solace is that many people were probably watching the baseball game and the game started so late on the East Coast by the time the truly bad 2nd half rolled around it was 11 PM. So, people were probably already in bed and didnt care enough to check the score in the morning. So, they might have ust seen the first half and thought we were good. I dunno.
And its gonna suck even more when it happens again next week.
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USC isn't Oregon
Just ask Arizona. Also Oregon wouldn’t have gotten pantsed by ASU, or squeaked past Minnesota and Utah at home. Barkley and Woods are good, but the rest of their team is meh. I think Williams can limit the damage against Woods. I won’t guarantee a win against SC, but I’d give us 50-50 to beat them. Don’t forget that SC laid an egg in their only road game, and Cal hasn’t played a real game at home yet.
All of the words that you say are in direct contrast to the sad reality that we will get blown out by USC. We just will. I’m sorry. Until I see us have any heartbeat against them, I’m scarred by the last 5 years. Many of those years saw USC laying MANY eggs. Going to Emerald Bowls etc. And they still held us down and beat us around hte head and neck area.
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I have to agree....
…..I think the effort will be there, and it will be closer than games have been recently, but we don’t have the tools currently to provide even a speed bump for ANYONE’S passing game. And also I have to question the fitness and attitude of the OL, despite that they’re improving. They’re just not there yet.
exactly right again
All of the words that you say are in direct contrast to the sad reality that we will get blown out by USC. We just will. I’m sorry. Until I see us have any heartbeat against them, I’m scarred by the last 5 years. Many of those years saw USC laying MANY eggs. Going to Emerald Bowls etc. And they still held us down and beat us around hte head and neck area.
You’re speaking my language, baby!
Honestly though, I think we might have a chance against $C. Not a chance to win, I would be shocked if we actually beat usc. But because the game is at “home”, I think there’s a chance we keep it close. And again, that’s the worst part of our program right now – my great hope is that we might keep it close at home against a thoroughly mediocre usc team.
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SC has been pretty mediocre the last two times we have played them
yet they have some how found a way to destroy us. So the whole mediocre SC team doesn’t mean much to me right now.
oh absolutely
for some reason, though, I think there’s a chance we don’t get blown out. I can’t really imagine winning this game, but I can imagine it being somewhat close.
And again, that’s the sad part – our upside is imagining a scenario where keep it close at home against a mediocre usc team.
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this post reminds me of
MXC, “Most Extreme Elimination Challenge” that used to air on spike. The challengers used to line up before the competitions and yell out “DON’T! GET! ELIMINATED!!!!!!!!”
Maybe our team should line up on the sideline before the game and scream “DON’T! GET! HUMILIATED!!!!!!!!!!”
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Exactly
All I know is that my expectations for games like this are not to be humilated on the national stage. Again. It’s unfortunate that that is even what the standard is at right now. And we still couldn’t meet that standard!…And its gonna suck even more when it happens again next week.
Bold for emphasis. I’ve been making this point for a while, and to me it’s the most troubling part of our program. Glad to have you on my team, Twist!
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You know I am on your team with this. 10 years in and this team has regressed to the point
that the new standard is to not get humilated on the national stage is a bit humbling.
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I'm a Maynard fan but
he let the team down last night. The defense was fighting it’s tail off against a dynamic offense to keep us in the game and all Maynard had to do was make some simple throws on 3rd down and in the redzone to keep us in the game.
I don’t blame the defense at all for the second half meltdown, Maynard’s poor play opened the floodgates.
by Archon on Oct 7, 2011 8:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
CJ Anderson
Wasn’t the power guy in Highschool…I know the some people who’s son played with him in high school and at Laney – he was NOT the go-to guy for short yardage in hs. Not big enough to power through. I’m sure he’s grown some, but we don’t have that power running dimension at all now, so that has changed things a lot. Hard to win against ranked teams without one.
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Agree with the sentiment of the post
As long as there is improvement week to week, it’s too early to write-off the team and the season. Still, if it’s clear that some players – particularly at important positions like QB – have neared their ceiling and aren’t getting the job done, then let the more talented youngsters get reps, with an eye to next season. Go Bears.
Have felt all morning I need to put down some thoughts...mostly random
1. Watched the whole game last night. Why is that unusual — when I get too frustrated, I usually walk away, but not last night. I want to see these kids (and make no mistake, they are kids) play. I want to see growth, and heart, and I want them not to stop. I saw that, and it made me stay.
2. Always thought this was a 5 to 7 win season. The team has little experience, but a lot of young, untested talent. There is a void in the middle — with leadership at the Senior level (Kendrick, Holt, Jones, etc.), and incredible talent on the young side (Allen, McCain, Wilkerson, etc.). We can argue about why (I for one think that it comes out of the Longshore injury, and subsequent collapse), but it exists.
3. I think the next two years are 9-10 win seasons, or (barring something like the injury flood of Oregon State) Tedford will move on. I think he is great for the school, and would like him to stay (I think stability in a program is under-rated), but see that the next two years will tell.
4. This is a weird year — with no Memorial (essentially, at least as a fan — no home). Last night was the 5th venue in as many weeks.
5. I like Maynard’s seeming calm, and never give up attitude. I liked Riley for his heart. By all statistical measures Riley was a better quarterback (at least at this point), but I have more faith in Maynard. This is hard to reconcile, and I am still working on it. May be it is because I am an attitude guy.
6. Isi is a pleasant surprise. He is not Lynch, Forsett, Best, Vereen, but he is a good back (fought using the word serviceable, because I think he is more than that). What we are missing, and I believe the coaches are trying to develop is a #2.
7. Last night, we lost to a better team. My honest prediction at the beginning of the night was 45-21. Just did not believe that a freshman (no matter how talented) could hold the edge all night. Sometimes, yes, always, no. And with Oregon one miss, and they take it to the house.
8. A couple of years ago, after the Oregon 42-3 debacle (ironically right before we played USC — and the schedule is lined up the same this year), one of our illustrious Golden Bears wrote, “I plan to be there to cheer on Tedford and his players [against USC] and insist that they play the kind of tough, focused and unrelenting football that is befitting of our great university. If they do that for the next eight games, it will have been a terrific season. And if we ever get to the Rose Bowl in my lifetime, it won’t be because we were living up to our hype or coming through in big games; it’ll be because we were undistracted grinders who hit people in the mouth and found a way to win football games. Period.”
9. Beat USC.
by GoldenBear 77 on Oct 7, 2011 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
nice post
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 7, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Great thoughts.
I agree with you on point #3. One of those years better be a 10 win season. I love what Tedford has done and that when he was the hottest coach in the country back in 2004 he stayed here. He’s doing everything the CAL way, which is to say the right way. But, nothing in life lasts forever or is guaranteed. Sandy is all in on football and has a lot of ESP seats to sell. She can’t afford to have a drop off in results on the field. The thing that worries me is the buzz has left (that we had as recently as 2009) and when that happens it’s hard to get it back.
This is a weird year. I was, and am still, hoping for 7 wins. The UW game is a killer because it’s one of those “swing” games. Now we have to win another one. I don’t care what anyone says, right now I am marking down Wazzu and OSU as victories… which means two more wins in our last 5 games against UCLA, ASU, furd, Utah and USC. We do that and I will be very happy.
Great post 77.
OH, and 10
Do not believe the number of NFL players on a team determines success, and do not believe it is a measure that you are “not getting everything out of your talent” for at least a couple of reasons. First, the games are totally different, and second it takes 22+ players, and most of the time 3 or four cannot carry the team (my example, and I have used it before, on my high school team, we had three players go on to D-1 football (one each at CAL, UCLA and Oklahoma) — our record my senior year 0-9-1).
So are you saying it is coaching? So we don't need a lot of talent if we had better coaching?
Our coaching is so bad we need even more NFL talent to make up for their lack of ability?
Oregon might have 3-4 guys on their squad who will make it to an NFL roster. Ditto that with most Pac12 teams. The only Pac12 team that will have usually have a large talent advantage and lots of NFL prospects is SC.
Not my point
My point is that it takes more than counting amount of NFL talent to win. Coaching can be a part, but more important is depth in all positions, not a first round draft choice or two. This is especially true against a team like Oregon, whose sole goal is to isolate. That is, in a perfect Oregon play, if you have 10 guys better than 10 of their guys matched up, but one guy not as good matched up, they will win. At this point, we do not have that kind of talent.
by GoldenBear 77 on Oct 7, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Well depth is an issue for every team in CFB, it is up to the coaches to develop said
depth so that when they are called upon (Ayoob, Mansion, Sweeney) they are ready to step up and play at a decent level.
It is important for a coach to put his players in a position to succeed, Kelly and his spread offense at Oregon does that.
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our bears played their asses off and i’m proud.. esp. our D-line: owusu, payne, tipoti, et al all played a hell of a game. at the end of the day UO has a much better team and their offensive schemes matched with their team speed was too much to overcome for 60-min in a hostile environment.
do i wish maynard made my accurate throws and reads? no dropped balls by receivers? more aggressive play-calling in the redzone? yeah sure but hindsight is 20/20 and it’s easier said on the couch than done on the field.
fuck jesse palmer. beat SC. go bears.
btw
there is no way maynard (barring injury) is getting benched this season for bridgford, if any of you are speculating that. as fans, it’s easy for us to visualize plugging in and pulling out players based on our assessment of their performance alone but a football team isn’t just about running a bunch of drones. as a coach you have to find the right balance of evaluating performance, an appropriate level of consistency with the team, among a hundred other factors when figuring out the line-up. maynard has been inaccurate – we knew it was going to be that way coming into the season – but he’s made some good throws and shows awesome potential. hopefully this UO game will be a great learning exp for him
I do think Oregon is running a bunch of drones right now, as they seem to just plug guys in
throughout their offense, new WR’s, 3 new OL, a freshamn RB/WR and continue to put up points.
Hell last year they kicked their starting QB off the team, plugged in his back up, got even better QB play from said backup and went to the NCG.
That freshman RB/WR was one of the top recruits in the country, but, point taken.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 7, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we'll beat USC
But I’ll take a close loss and a win over Utah
In other words, Go Bears!
I feel the same way as you. If we lose to SC, it better be close and we better win against Utah
losing to a Utah team at home starting their 2nd string QB during a 4 game losing streak will be bad.
I think we very well might
Depends on if we are able to create the CMS magic at AT&T. Looks doubtful, but who knows. I think Maynard settles down in that environment, feeds off it – he was clearly nervous yesterday and I think that had a lot to do with FGs vs TDs in the first half. In the second half we just got out manned, I don’t think USC has the horses to do that this year at least not in the same way.
by HelloBowlesHall on Oct 7, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
QB xx's and OH's
SHEESH….. when was the last time Cal had an quarterback with “Sunday” playing potential? Just potential, he doesn’t have to be a Heisman Candidate. I know they are hard to find but, doesn’t the most important position on the team deserves some serious attention…don’t you think coach? Maybe the staff needs help with knowing WHO to recruit and how? There are so many small named schools with incredible QB leadership. Why has our QB closet been empty for so long? Can’t we find a consistent 60+% passer that throws to our already dynamic receivers in stride instead of consistently over their heads? Or is this how their taught to avoid interceptions? This was Desean Jackson’s complaint. “Hey, hey I’m faster than anyone on the field just get me the ball OK?” Well….uhhh…. well… sorry! DeSean doesn’t even like to talk about Cal now. A decent set of QB’s is all we need to have a chance at the Rose Bowl again. I’m on my knees begging coach. Make our team relevant – please!. Maybe Aaron Rogers could help with QB recruiting? He would know what to look for…. SHEESH…….
We seem to always get promising QB recruits (Sweeney, Mansion, Longshore—all highly touted out of high school). But our best QB wasn’t even a blip on the radar. Maybe we need to stop relying on the recruiting reports?
It is kind of crazy that the best QB's of Tedfords tenure have been a guy he inherited
and a guy he found at a JC. Tedford hasn’t shown he could take one of his young QB recruits from HS to the NFL in his time at Cal. Even if Maynard does eventually succeed, it isn’t as if we recruited him out of HS and developed him from Freshman to NFL draft pick.
The closes Tedford has come with developing a HS recruit to NFL was Longshore, which started off very promising and we all know how that ended.
I am not saying that Tedford doesn’t deserve any credit for Boller and Rodgers development because he clearly does. However, both those guys were a bit more CFB ready once Tedford got his hands on them than a true HS recruit.
DeSean doesn’t even like to talk about Cal now.
That isn’t true.
Watchin this CaL vrs Oregon game!! I remember we beat them boys in Eugene my Jr year!! Ballin.. Them all white uni’s lookn TriLL
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 7, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
CGB might have to start putting out its own version of Snopes at some point.
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 7, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s…actually a fucking great idea.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 7, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be game to contribute to a CGB snopes
During my time at Cal, I was known as the guy who could find ANYTHING online.
This is one of those times where you should call out the poster who posted it. I mean really call them out and ask why they just pull stuff out of their ass to be negative about CAL. I know I know… civility and all… but this is CAL board… we shouldn’t have people behaving in a douchey way without at least being called out.
Pull stuff out of his ass?
I mean, socalbears was wrong about the “Desean talking about Cal.” But the general negativity towards Desean is partly to do with Desean. Other players have left early, so that can’t be it. Why does Desean get so much shit? I’ll speculate a bit :
- He’s always been Prime Time like, from his recruitment to his hype to his outlandish pre-end zone antics to he and his family’s displeasure when things weren’t going right. Jahvid Best, in comparison, never said anything negative, acted selfishly, “proved how tight he was”, nor was he ghetto.
- Desean’s shown he can be more successful in the NFL than he was on a game-by-game basis in college. That leaves the fan wondering if he gave it his all, particularly in the last half of 2007.
- Both Desean and Jahvid got injured frequently, but didn’t teammates question Desean’s injuries? I can’t remember, but please feel free to correct me.
- Many players, coaches, and fans were upset about leadership in the post collapse period. Desean wasn’t viewed as an Alex Mack type by any of these 3 groups.
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Sure, Desean was and is what we would have called in the 1970s a “hot dog”, which always polarizes fans’ opinions. And I think it’s also fair to say that Desean’s play fell off sharply during the collapse of ’07.
But I do not question his effort at Cal. Desean Jackson had a spectacular career at Cal—perhaps the best I’ve ever seen. I don’t recall him missing time, or even being slowed down, by injuries. And I don’t even question his effort. He clearly got frustrated in ‘07, and I think it’s fair to say that translated into a me-first attitude toward the end. But he never quit, and as great as he has been as a pro, he was even better in college.
I understand why he doesn’t get it, but I really think he deserves a lot more love from the Cal faithful.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Oct 8, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. When he says he doesn’t even like to talk about cal now, that is pulling stuff out of his ass. You can post all you want but that doesn’t change that comment.
by fiatlux on Oct 8, 2011 1:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
For 5.5 lines of his 8 line post, I thought he brought up some great concerns. I’m fine with you correcting him, but you should also try and discuss the good points of his post. That’s what makes blogs fun.
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For sure it should be discussed, but that’s for people smarter than me.
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 8, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
D jax
Desean did complain about being bagged on after he left, and he was right – blame was laid upon him for the “epic” collapse of 07’. Not like Longshore’s injury had anything to do with it…truth was that dude was a major factor in the wins that we had, inhcluding great victories over Oregon. The squad wasn’t as tight as it should have been, which is the coach’s fault, but not a 19-year old kid’s. Hence the emphasis on the TEAM stuff.
It’s been a learning curve for Tedford, no doubt. Duh. I just have hope that the new facilities will help solidify our depth and help steal some quality QB’s from So Cal, since they seem to grow like weeds down there.
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