Bumbling and Stumbling: Cal Faceplants in a 31-14 loss at UCLA
by Ohio Bear on Oct 29, 2011 11:16 PM PDT
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After last week's dominating win against Utah, there was a spring in the step of many a Cal football fan. Looking at the team's performance against the Utes, particularly the play of the defense and quarterback Zach Maynard, and coupled with the prospect of seemingly winnable games coming up against UCLA, Washington State, and Oregon State, even the most doomsaying Cal fan thought that the Bears had a chance to ride a four-game win streak before facing high-powered rival Stanford in the Big Game.
How does that old saying go about the best laid plans of mice and men? I think it's something like, "the best laid plans of mice and men often get screwed up by turnovers and poor run defense." On Saturday in Pasadena, UCLA (4-4 overall, 3-2 Pac-12) turned four of Cal's five turnovers into 24 points on the way to a stunningly one-sided 31-14 win over the Bears (4-4, 1-4).
Maynard had a hand in all five turnovers: he threw four interceptions (three of them to UCLA safety Tevin McDonald, who can probably clear a space for the Pac-12 defensive player of the week honor he'll get as a result) and was involved in a botched handoff that became a lost fumble charged to Isi Sofele. But Maynard was not the only one who turned in a disappointing performance. With the UCLA offense depleted by suspensions to four wide receivers (Taylor Embree, Shaquille Evans, Randall Carroll, and Ricky Marvray), it was no surprise that the Bruins' offense turned to the running game. Yet, Cal's defense got scorched by UCLA's pistol attack for 294 yards rushing, including a career-high (not to mention mind-boggling) 163 yards by UCLA quarterback Kevin Prince.
In the end, there is no sugarcoating this one. With UCLA reeling from suspensions and its coach, Rick Neuheisel, previously winless against Cal Coach Jeff Tedford and sitting on a hotter seat with every passing day, the stage seemed set for Cal to come into the Rose Bowl and continue the momentum it had built in the win against Utah. Instead, Cal suffered an ignominious defeat -- one that might rank among the worst losses of Coach Jeff Tedford's nearly ten-year tenure.
Ignominy did not seem like it would be the order of the day early on. Cal actually led 7-0 in this one, thanks to Steve Williams forcing a first-quarter fumble by Prince in UCLA territory. Dan Camporeale recovered for the Bears, which led to a Sofele one-yard touchdown run five plays later. Little did we know at the time that Prince's fumble, which came at the end of a 21-yard run by the Bruin quarterback, would be a harbinger of things to come. Prince would continue to run well out of the pistol offense and there would continue to be turnovers -- except that it would be the Bears, for the most part, being the team turning it over.
Trailing 7-0, the UCLA offense got into gear in the second quarter and kept on going. And, ironically, it was the passing game that was arguably the catalyst. Facing a 1st-and-20 at its own 26 after a holding penalty, Prince found Nelson Rosario -- one of the Bruins' few experienced receivers available -- for 19-yard gain against Cal freshman Stefan McClure. The play was key, for it took UCLA out of an obvious pass situation, where the conventional wisdom was that they would struggle. From there, the Bruins shredded Cal's defense with the run, including a 32-yard scamper by Prince on a zone read. All told, six straight runs, capped by Johnathan Franklin's 11-yard burst to the end zone, gave UCLA the tying touchdown with 6:37 left in the first half.
And then, the wheels started to come off for the Bears.
On the next series, Maynard threw his first interception of the day to McDonald, who returned it 15 yards to the Cal 15. Though the Cal defense held UCLA to a field goal, the Bears offense did not exactly thank them for the stop. Sofele fumbled a handoff from Maynard on the first play of the following series, leading to a short touchdown run by UCLA's Derrick Coleman. All of a sudden, Cal was down 17-7 and reeling.
Cal threatened to get back in the game in the third quarter, with help from the Bruins. After Cal punted on its first possession of the second half, UCLA immediately gave the ball back to Cal when Jordon James muffed a Bryan Anger punt at the Bruin 15-yard line. D.J. Campbell recovered, and Cal suddenly found itself in the red zone. It took Cal only two plays to score -- a 14-yard pass to tight end Anthony Miller and a one-yard touchdown run by C.J. Anderson -- and the Bears had seized momentum, cutting the lead to 17-14.
Cal had its chances to either tie or take the lead after that. But Giorgio Tavecchio missed a potential game-tying 42-yard field goal late in the third quarter. And then, after the defense forced a UCLA punt early in the fourth quarter to get the ball back, the turnover bug struck Maynard again. McDonald picked off Maynard for the second time in the game and set the Bruins up at the Cal 20-yard line. Coleman knifed through the Cal defense for a touchdown on the very next play and UCLA had a 10-point lead again.
To the Bears' credit, they threatened to make a game of it again even after the Coleman touchdown made it 24-14. On the very next possession, Cal drove deep into UCLA territory with still plenty of time remaining in the fourth quarter. After a Sofele run on which UCLA linebacker Dietrich Riley was injured (Riley was carted off the field after a scary-looking play, but Riley appeared after the game to have escaped serious injury), Cal found itself at the UCLA 22-yard line. But from there, Maynard's threw his third interception of the game -- again to McDonald -- ending a promising drive with no points. After the interception, the Bruins killed whatever hope the Bears had of getting back in the game, clinching the game with a painful (for Cal fans) 9-play, 83-yard drive in which UCLA did not throw a single pass. Prince ran for 50 yards on the drive and Coleman added 33 more, including an easy 24-yard touchdown run that gave UCLA its final margin of victory.
Though the UCLA story of the game was Prince (19 carries, 163 yards; 92 yards passing), Coleman was no slouch himself. The bruising running back hurt the Bears for 80 yards on 16 carries and ran for three touchdowns. In the end, the Bruins' running attack (294 net yards on 52 rushing attempts) made the suspensions to their four wide receivers irrelevant, as Cal could not force the Bruins to resort to the pass. Offensively, the Bears mustered 333 yards of total offense, but were their own worst enemy with five turnovers and an erratic day passing by Maynard (14 of 30, 199 yards, 4 INT).
What else can be said? It was an ugly performance by the Bears in a game that they probably had no business losing. With their record now 4-4 overall and 1-4 in the conference (tied with next week's opponent, Washington State, for last in the Pac-12 North), the Bears must now look in the mirror and figure out where to go from here. After eight games, the Bears have far too many questions and not enough answers.
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I thought that
“We lost to Rick fucking Neuheisel” would be a sufficient recap.
by rollonubears on Oct 29, 2011 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
[cough]
Prince, not Craft.
"i, for one, welcome our new atomic overlords" - GoldBlooded
by atomsareenough on Oct 29, 2011 11:23 PM PDT reply actions
DOH!
Thanks. It’s fixed now. I think I only did it once.
Maybe it was the good memories I had of Craft that seeped into my consciousness for a moment.
…WHATEVER!!!!!
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 30, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
LIKE, FUCK!
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 30, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting blown out by Neuheisal is grounds for immediate termination. I’m glad the LA game is more about catching up with old buddies, but this was brutal. All the Cal people at the Rose Bowl kept looking at each other in utter disbelief as Kevin Prince kept waddling for huge gains after every Maynard interception.
Ironic that Neuheisal of all people just nailed JT’s coffin. Maybe JT can go coach Rice with his pal Ben Braun.
by CaliforniaEternal on Oct 29, 2011 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I just came home.
I did not watch the game. But I did keep track of score in the first half. The next time I got to check score was the Final result.
Can somebody explain to me in like a paragraph the summary of the game. And why Marvin only has 1 catch.
1) Maynard was…inaccurate (there’s a prize understatement)
2) D decided not to stop Prince from running
Overall game summary:
Rick/Prince: Here, you take the win!
Tedford: No, you take the win!
Rick: No, you can have it.
Tedford: No, I insist. You should have the win. I’ll make it really easy for you.
Rick: Well, I’m not sure I want the win… I’ll try to give it back (kinda, sorta). You know what, never mind. I’ll take the win.
Tedford: Sure, go right ahead. I’ll make it easy for you. Zach, give the ball to them please.
by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Oct 29, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It was shocking that our defense seemed so stubborn for much of the game, just refusing to spy the QB. Prince is an athletic runner, but no way he should have been able to get around the edge so easily, going untouched for 10 to 15 yards time after time. I kept wondering when we were going to make an adjustment and key on Prince so he’d have to beat us with his arm and a depleted receiver corps.
Still, we stayed in it for most of the game, but eventually the defense was plain beaten up and worn out. The offense couldn’t stay on the field — we really didn’t seem all that committed to the run. So of course the D wore out.
C.J. Anderson was a nice complement to Isi in the first few games against terrible teams. But recently, it’s become more clear he isn’t strong enough to be the short yardage back. I’d rather have Isi stay in the game in those situations. Or CDJ.
by Monica's Dad on Oct 30, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
If I were gameplanning against a pistol offense, especially against a team like UCLA that couldn’t throw the ball, I’d try to figure out a way send an extra rusher so that one guy can be devoted to hitting the QB every single time and another can go after the RB in case the QB hands it off. Or at least make sure that the unblocked man goes after the QB first, unless he’s sure the QB doesn’t have the ball.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Since the option is predicated on faking everyone out, you should have a guy go after the QB either way and since he is faking carrying the ball, knock the ever living shit out of him every time….that is why teams have a spy on the QB. Knocking him silly a few times will disrupt his future timing for sure…
Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
That for me was the worst aspect, that Coach P didn’t make a change to spy the QB – insanely frustrating. Prince isn’t even that good of a runner, even if he is athletic (and big). It seem like we were selling out to stop the runs between the tackles. Poor gap control.
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the most damning part of this game
was how similar it was, defensively, to the Nevada game. You would think that our coaches would learn from that debacle and apply the lessons going forward, especially against a much, much shittier team. It is inexcusable that we were able to dominate ucla last year and let them run all over us this year.
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by CBKWit on Oct 30, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
What’s your problem!? Pendergast was drunk then and he’s drunk now!
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 30, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
One catch for Marvin
It seemed like Miller (5 catches, 7 targets) was targeted more than usual, as if it was in our game plan to use the tight end. And Allen (7 catches, 12 targets) was the usual primary go-to guy for Maynard. Of the 11 remaining pass attempts, Marvin was targeted 5 times. Jones wasn’t completely forgotten, but it’s still a low number of targets.
CAVEAT: “Target” numbers based on my rough count after reviewing the play-by-play, which identifies intended receivers on incomplete passes.
Not over yet. I hope he can turn things around
by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Oct 29, 2011 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Like any other Saturday night
Started off with so much potential, lots of fun, talking with a lot of beautiful women, but only to wake up the next morning with a hangover and wondering what the fuck happened
by SDBear on Oct 30, 2011 3:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Prince for Heisman!
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by golden oso on Oct 30, 2011 11:15 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
You know, on the plus side
At least it wasn’t on national TV
by FromCtoShining(Blue)C on Oct 30, 2011 12:02 AM PDT reply actions
After last night, I think we all drew the short straw
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Just posted this on BI too
The UCLA game through the lens of MS Paint, Prevail and Ride style: http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9166/caluclagameoctober2011.png
by oskiwow on Oct 30, 2011 12:12 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i don’t. i think that stuff is petty. no need to diminish what Tedford has accomplished in order to make the assessment of where he is now.
It’s caricature inspired by this guy’s work: http://prevailandride.blogspot.com/2010/11/longhorn-football-season-in-review.html and meant to be in good fun. I’m not trying to diminish what Tedford has accomplished, I just needed some form of catharsis from the utter horror that was yesterday’s game – the usual suspects of jogging, drinking, playing music and/or commiserating with other Cal fans just didn’t seem enough – and thought other fans might derive some little enjoyment too. If a tiny piece of digital art that no one associated with the football team is ever going to see makes one or more long-suffering Cal fans feel better, why deny them that? Being a Cal fan shouldn’t have to mean that I’m also a masochist.
Like everyone else here, I love Cal and want our football team to succeed. But, seriously, something has got to change. Use the same formula, get the same results. In any case, I’m going to be at AT&T next Saturday and the Saturday after that, no matter the previous week’s results. I just hope our coaches put the people on the field that give us the best chance to win. Go Bears.
Good post. I’m still going to support Cal through thick and thin on Saturday, but it’s gonna suck sometimes!!!
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Me too
Just hope they give free blue-n-gold bags to put over our heads. And hopefully they’re 100% post-consumer recyclable material, and hypo-allergenic. Sneezing in those just adds insult to injury
I’m going to need my paper bag to be gluten free, thanks.
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4-8 seems a lot more likely after tonight
The longer Tedford keeps playing Maynard the more fucked our future will be.
I would rather us play Bridgford now and take some lumps in the hope that next season might bring some success than waste away with Maynard at this point.
I mean Tedford has nothing to lose at this point. He will not be fired after this season so why not play Bridgford and hope that we can compete in the upper half of the PAC 12 next season.
Oh, and at this point Tedford is a middle of the pack coach in the PAC 12.
by SDBear on Oct 30, 2011 12:17 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Right now, Tedford is “middle of the pack” on a good day (generally at home). But on other days… It shouldn’t even be debatable whether Tedford is a better coach than Neiweisel or not, but the latter’s team just beat ours, by over two TDs. Anyway, I hope Tedford can turn it around, and soon, because, like you said, he has nothing to lose at this point.
Every coach that has ever beaten another coach head-to-head is by definition a better coach?
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m really hoping Bridgford is not worse than Maynard
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
He would only be worse if he throws 5 INTs a game… Which I guess is entirely possible.
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by hardtobecalfan on Oct 30, 2011 8:50 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I support our team but
how bout saying that our team isn’t as good as we may have ever thought and that Tedford is not that great of a coach. But, I support them…like a bra holding up some yammy octogenarian boobs with coopers ligaments that have lost all tensile properties which in my eyes look like silicon implants. too gross?
by rollonyoubears111 on Oct 30, 2011 12:57 AM PDT reply actions
does this game hurt more than getting kidney punched?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
worse….more like passing kidney stones
by Cal_Fan2 on Oct 30, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a feeling that Bridgford might give Marvin a few more looks than he’s been getting now.
Luck is so freakin ugly that ESPN changed their frontpage twice to try and get a good angle of him.
18 to Cheeseboard
I don’t understand how we can have so many higly rated QB recruits that don’t pan out. It makes me think there’s something wrong with the system they enter.
Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.
Or you know the coach. I know, I know, that is blasphemy but at this point all signs point to Tedford not recruiting or coaching up a PAC 12 quality QB.
Shocking, I know.
by SDBear on Oct 30, 2011 2:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I know that he's still just a kid, but...
I don’t think Maynard was focussing on the game at all:
“They didn’t spend most of the game doubling Keenan,” Tedford said. “They didn’t spend the entire game doubling Keenan. Keenan was — they ran the regular zone stuff, they didn’t double Keenan.”
Maynard, however, felt differently.
“They did a great job double-coveraging our star receivers,” Maynard said. “They did a great job. I had to make a lot of check-downs, I had to run a lot, I feel like, and they put a lot of pressure on me. Their D-line is great, athletic, they get to the ball fast and they basically did a great job today, as a defense.”
AND:
Asked what the root cause was for his play, Maynard stated things plainly.
“It was inaccuracy,” he said. “It was getting too many guys in my face and I was just trying to look for guys, rushing because I was about to get tackled. Just a couple off balls. It was vital, and they happened to be at the right place at the right time, made interceptions and made great plays.”
by rollonyoubears111 on Oct 30, 2011 1:10 AM PDT reply actions
Maybe we should get Maynard out of the pocket
If only we had a recent example of this working, one that our coaches could look at . . .
But JJ STokes said
that Maynard was more comfortable in the pocket than rolling out. We all heard it, therefore it has to be true.
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God, that was the worst announced game I think I’ve ever heard. JJ Strokes (It’s going be this year he breaks out for the 9ers) doesn’t even understand idioms like “burning your bridges” and “salt of the earth”. What an embarrassment.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I find this discrepancy a bit disturbing. Shouldn’t Tedford and Maynard be at least on the same page about what the defense was doing? Isn’t it somebody’s job to go over and talk strategy to Maynard after every possession?
Isn’t it somebody’s job to go over and talk strategy to Maynard after every possession?
Obviously we don’t get to see everything that happens on the sideline, but from the broadcast it really didn’t look like anyone was doing that. Maynard would come off the field with a dazed look and just sit down.
I remember back in 2005 that JT would actively coach up Ayoob after he had a bad series, like as soon as he came off the field. Obviously it didn’t work out for Ayoob, but at least it looked like we were trying (and the rest of the team seemed competent).
Well, Tedford is definitely right. UCLA was playing a lot of zone coverage and waiting for Maynard to make mistakes. Which he obliged.
It might’ve felt like double coverage to Zach because everything was so congested and he was trying to hit the holes between defenders. I hope that’s what he meant. Because I don’t feel good about his future development if he was being literal about that.
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 30, 2011 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Maynard has so much athletic ability, you wonder if he might be a good receiver or kick returner. He’d probably be a fantastic option quarterback, but we don’t run the option. Why we’re staying with him at QB is beyond me, other than that maybe it was all part of the package deal. When his stat line was 12 touchdowns against six interceptions, it might have created some bad feelings for the NC group if Tedford pulled Maynard. As that TD to INT ratio gets worse and losses pile up, maybe we see a change for the better.
by Monica's Dad on Oct 30, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
One can only hope. I was solidly on the Maynard train to start the season. I thought he’d be good. I was wrong. I mean, there are flashes, and tantalizing ones at that. He makes boneheaded mistakes and then will unleash a sweet completion down the field. He’s just so inconsistent. But yeah, I’ll take a slightly lower ceiling for some consistency at this point. Bridgford can’t be that much worse.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree….honestly, Maynard makes Alex Smith pre-Harbaugh era look like Steve Young and Joe Montana rolled into one. Everyone that watched practices said Bridgford was the better QB but I was optimistic about Maynard but he is really ineffective for the most part….in fact, he is just plain bad….and I’m not blaming the kid cause he is trying his heart out but JT has either missed the boat or screwed up QB’s so much that any optimism is fading into the sunset
I thought the first few games showed promise and that he might get better with experience. Didn’t happen.
yep
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
so, apparently bringing pressure on a shaky quarterback will make him worse? You don’t say. If only our defensive coordinators listened to our own offense
Our problem in this game didn’t have anything to do with “bringing pressure”, I didn’t think. We have an aggressive gameplan on D. That’s what Clancy is known for.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe i should have said “focusing” or something to that affect.
Prince had 180 yards rushing against us.
Yeah, we needed to hit Prince hard immediately every time he ran the football.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
more on tedford's thoughts
“I thought in the second half, when we came out and we scored, we got back down there, but we missed a field goal that was going to tie the game,” Tedford said. “Momentum was going to change right there, then they took the ball and drove it and we got out in bad field position, so you have to give them credit for driving and getting the ball out of their field position, and we didn’t.”
Tedford is now 1-9 in Los Angeles as the Bears’ head coach, and his team will now face an improving Washington State — which pushed Cal to the bring last year in Pullman, Wash. — next week in San Francisco, followed by Oregon State and their head coach Mike Riley, who is unbeaten against Tedford each of the last four times the Beavers have come down to California.
“There’s a lot of football left,” Tedford said. “We’re 4-4 and we’ve got a lot of football left, and so by no means are we going to fold the tents and say the season’s over. That would be ridiculous. I’m not going to do that. We’re going to go back to work. We took a step back today. I don’t want to bury my head in the sand and say that we didn’t. We took a step back today. We didn’t play as well as we need to play, but I have confidence in the team that we’ll come back and work with a great work ethic and get ready to play next week.”
by rollonyoubears111 on Oct 30, 2011 1:20 AM PDT reply actions
Translation: Prepare yourself for Maynard as our starting QB
by SDBear on Oct 30, 2011 3:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Serious question
After last night’s game there’s a LOT to be critical about, and that includes (at the top of the list) the coaching job that Coach Tedford is doing. But why is the “translation” that we’ll definitely see Maynard? Maybe my memory is failing in the wake of a horribly horrific loss, but does Tedford have a history of saying he’ll evaluate the QB position and yet never make a change? If anything, he has some discernible track record of making a QB change when his evaluation of the position drives him to do so. (See e.g., Rodgers for Robertson 2003, Levy for Ayoob 2005, Riley for Longshore 2007/2008, Longshore for Riley 2008.)
Granted, I realize he didn’t pull Riley last year when a lot of fans wanted him to. But, to be fair, we ended up seeing why.
This is a marriage that's been to counseling...
But the good memories are starting to fade…
Lawrence Ross
Tedford is now a Goldilocks coach: not very good, not very bad, just mediocre enough
To keep his job and not get fired.
I believe Sandy could find and hire a really good new head coach after this season seeing how we have these nice new facilities and stadium upgrades.
by SDBear on Oct 30, 2011 2:56 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
So, what then? What do we tell our recruits?
I agree with you in your suggestion…but letting Tedford go does what to the incoming class? And, to be fair, shouldn’t a new coach be allowed to hire his own staff, so we shouldn’t be confident that Lupoi or Gould would stay, further severing recruit links to the program?
I’m worried. When will the other programs start to use Tedford’s situation against us in recruiting?
FWIW, I don’t want Tedford gone. But I have little confidence he can pull out of this tail spin, especially with the current QB and a running game that’s incapable of carrying any significant amount of the offensive load. In other words, while Sofele is a nice kid and is trying his best and all, how is it that the program, which at least always had a quality RB ready to step in—even with the QB problems—got left with a RB that, at best, is mediocre in the true sense of the word. What does this team look like if it had any of the previous 10 years of RBs instead of what it currently has?Worse, what does it look like next year? For all of Tedford’s hype about Bigelow, I’ve not seen anything to tell me he’s ready to step in at #1 and end what I had hoped to be this hiccup at the RB position.
Anyway, if the wish is granted and Tedford is dismissed, we need to understand that the program, IMHO, will descend into chaos both amongst the coaches and the players. And I don’t know if even a new coach can have a significant impact with the players we currently have on the team. Of course, we then add in the lost recruits…
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Good points, but disagree about Sofele, he’s not elite, but far from mediocre. I thought he did a real good job of using his blockers this game. I think he’s improving as well.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
I disagree about Sofele…I doubt he’ll even get to 1000 yards, and even when he gets into space, I never see the acceleration that someone like even Igber or Forsett could muster once they broke loose.
Sofele is what he is, but what he is is not a #1 back.
How did we get into the position of having nothing in the talent range of Igber/Echimandu/Arrington/Lynch/Forsett/Best/Vereen ready to go this year? Did the coaching staff really believe that Sofele was within that talent range?
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craig james thinks sofele = LMJ
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Well, LMJ he isn't
What he is: 701 yards, 4.9 ypc. In the grand scheme of things, he’s among the least of our worries.
So, what then? What do we tell our recruits?
Plenty of play time as a freshman…………….
by Anchorsteam Bear on Oct 30, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree, lets keep perspective here. The Juniors and Seniors are just not talented enough to compete in this league. Recall the quality of UCLA, USC, Stanford, and UW’s classes when we were struggling to recruit because of the tree people. UCLA recruited well for a while there (without reason)…but so are we these last couple of years. Against less talented recruits we win. I think it is fair to call Tedford “just mediocre enough.” That’s the case right now…but let’s not forget the Cal teams of old…with the right talent Tedford’s teams can beat anyone. It’s just a matter of synergy. The future has a lot of potential.
We need to be realistic here. We know Cal is awesome, but even with new facilities I don’t see us luring away some top flight coaches that are more likely to take a job like Ole Miss or Arkansas. Honestly, I think the level of schools we compete against for coaches are schools like Texas Tech, Arizona, Duke, and Iowa State. It’s sad, but it’s true. It would have to be a unique coach and a unique situation for someone to want to come play here (i.e. current Pac-12 coordinator (Sarkisian) or a complete unknown which would result in a once in a lifetime hire (Kelley).
I really believe that if JT doesn’t turn it around after 2012 he’ll step down. I also believe that if that is the case JT may help us get Urban Meyer. That I believe is the only case in which I would be okay with JT leaving in the next couple of years.
Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"
by PlayClassyBears on Oct 30, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
The Juniors and Seniors are just not talented enough to compete in this league.
They should be talented enough to not lose to a depleted UCLA team by 3 scores.
Ya, this isnt about competing with the Stanfords and Oregons per se, this is about being better than the bottom feeders with half their offense suspedned!
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by TwistNHook on Oct 30, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The thing that people fear most is change.
Should it come to that, don’t be afraid. Be brave.
With that said, I’m hoping Tedford can find a way to turn things around. I think he still has it in him. The guy has done amazing things for our school and I like him as an HC.
What makes me angry, though, is his current decision of sticking with Maynard. Maynard has been given a fair chance. He’s played his heart out and I feel for the kid. But 7 games in one has to ask where is the improvement?
With $C and Oregon there were decent reasons for his lack of performance. Yes, UCLA had some pressure on him but, c’mon, this is football.
Is it fair to to Bridg and the rest of the team to keep Maynard in?
If JT continues to make what I think are poor decisions like this, then I also have no problems with letting him play out his contract and not renewing it.
You know, first of all I think credit is due to the Ucla players, who actually seemed to take the game seriously and play with a visible sense of pride and heart.
But, then again, that’s kind of what I thought would happen.
The Ucla players had ten day so of hearing everyone on earth say how much the suck, how little pride they had, how little they cared, and how much they embarrassed the “four letters.” They heard it from reporters, alumni, fans, students, recruits, and other teams. They were insulted, mocked, derided, made the punchline to jokes, and used as cautionary tales for parents to warn children about the dangers of not eating their vegetables.
That had to give. And so when they came out determined and with focus, it didn’t surprise me. What surprised me is that Calol came out sloppy, incompetent, unorganized, confused, lackadaisical, disinterested, and uncaring.
The writing was on the wall for this game after Cal’s third possession. Up 7 – 0, if they score to make it 14 – 0 the game is over. Ucla would have just crumbled. But instead, our guys play without any fire, and before you know it, Maynard decided to be a generous guy and gifts the bruins the tie.
After that, I just checked out. I don’t know if it was Ladner dropping that ball that hit him in stride right in the hands, or the 10,000th time Price faked a handoff and walted off to his right for another 15 yards, but at some point late in the 1st quarter, a switch got flipped and I just checked out. The game was done at that point, except the agony of watching a puppy getting tortured.
It was easily the absolute worst loss of Tedford’s career, and has got me starting to wonder whether he really is the guy any longer.
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by SoCal Oski on Oct 30, 2011 8:13 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
sigh
yep
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
You know, first of all I think credit is due to the Ucla players, who actually seemed to take the game seriously and play with a visible sense of pride and heart.
The writing was on the wall for this game after Cal’s third possession. Up 7 – 0, if they score to make it 14 – 0 the game is over. Ucla would have just crumbled. But instead, our guys play without any fire, and before you know it, Maynard decided to be a generous guy and gifts the bruins the tie.
Sorry, I disagree. The UCLA players did not seem to have that at the beginning of the game.
As you said, we gave that to him with our inept, uninspired and sloppy play.
I disagree with you. From their first possession you could see that Ucla was playing with pride. Their line got push, their RBs had energy and effort, and the QB looked focused (if a bit amped up). Similarly, their defense was getting penetration from the first Cal snap.
Ucla’s defense!
A couple of good plays by Cal aside, it was clear Ucla was the team with the fire right from the beginning. And by the time their punter re-kicked to pin us down (after getting cheapshotted), there was absolutely no doubt.
Being an Old Blue means never accepting success.
Well, we let them start to believe. That’s one thing our team has been lacking for the past several years, is that killer instinct. I don’t mean playing chippy and going for cheap shots, but what I mean is playing hard, physically dominating football, and having that instinct to get an opponent down and then stepping on their throats and not letting them off the mat until they give up. Except it’s hard to do that when you are CONSTANTLY making basic execution errors that undermine you.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
…and you know, I’m aware that what I wrote sounds suspiciously like cliched psychoanalyzing bullshit, of the kind that I am usually among the first to dismiss, but what I’m trying to say is that it’s hard for a team to play with the kind of intensity and have an imposing, intimidating presence on the field when they are constantly shooting themselves in the foot. Opponents simply won’t be scared or intimidated if you keep screwing up.
I think I’m going to this angle a little bit because on paper, there’s no reason UCLA should have won. They are a pretty lousy, one-dimensional team that we should have easily beaten. But they visibly played with purpose and passion and we came out flat and made mistakes and you can’t beat anyone like that. That’s why they don’t play the games on paper.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
crumpy, in that Sactown Report, made it sound like the players are so confident in their abilities that they are freaking shocked when they lose and lose big. An old baseball coach of mine used to say that “you can’t just throw your gloves out on the field.”
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Everyone else saw we were getting Kaepernicked
In the 1st quarter. How can we not adjust?
Those huge whiffed tackles by Cattouse? Cmon!
Still Holding Out Hope
I still have some hope that our recent recruiting classes will help turn things around and we will still be able to recruit well with our shiny new toys.
I have talked myself into believing this is a weird year with a lot of new coaches (to the current players) implementing things, a lack of a true home field and a “freshman” QB (who should be benched).
I recently came into possession of some “this shit.” What do you want me to do with it again?
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He wants you to have intercourse with it. Your wife can watch, but that’s extra.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I was at annual family get together in Chico....with many cousins
and old blues. In later years up to last year the talk of Cal football was primary….barely mentionable now with ho-hum ‘well, we should beat UCLA today’’ right.
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Häägëñ Dääs
Used to be a big Tedford/Maynard believer
Losing belief in both, rapidly. I dunno if Tedford has what it takes to return the Bears to where they were 5-7 years anymore and Maynard is consistently prone to bad decisions. I would be more vocal about wanting Bridgford but I was complaining about Riley every game last year and then Mansion turned out to be much worse.
But I think Maynard is much worse than Riley. I think Maynard has better receivers and line than Riley did last year.
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by hardtobecalfan on Oct 30, 2011 8:56 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
We would be at least 6-2 with Riley.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
not so sure…Maynard showed a trait in the first 4 games that Riley never had: an ability to convert long-yardage first downs, particularly on 3rd down. I don’t think they beat Colorado if you swap Riley for Maynard.
Who gives a heck, really,
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Yeah. who knows.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m going to give pre-injury Longshore a 7-1 (loss at Oregon), and post-injury Longshore a 6-2 or 5-3 record. Not sure any QB decision would have stopped the Prince from scooting around the end.
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The thing is that Riley wasn’t a bad QB, just a mediocre QB. What’s sad is that we’d take a mediocre QB right now.
We would have had at least two more wins so far this year if he had Riley. (Washington and Ucla)
I blame Twist.
It’s a shame that in Riley’s best season he was saddled with the worst O-line of the Tedford era. He would have been much better off this season.
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 30, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
What salvaged last year was Vereen.
Substitute this year’s running game and our record would’ve been worse.
Forget 5-7 years ago, I’d be happy with 2-3 years ago. 8-9 wins would make me happy at this point!
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We were winning like 8-9 games a year up until last year when the bottom just fell out.
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The 2005 team (with Ayoob) had QB play as bad as Maynard’s and still managed to win games, and also to be competitive in losses (except against USC, the 2nd best team in the nation that year). Now we can’t even do that.
Better O-line, Frossett was better than Isi (but I’m not unhappy with Isi).
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
How can you forget Marshawn?
He was our entire offense in some games.
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Basically, back then we at least looked like we knew what we were doing in a general sense, it’s just that Ayoob’s mistake would kill us at some key juncture if we were playing a good team. Now we don’t know what we’re doing at all.
Admittedly I kinda liked Steve Levy
He definitely didn’t kill the team in the 2005 Big Game. And then again they had Marshawn…
One word: BeastMode!
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by CalBandGreat on Oct 30, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
what happened withe the safety responsible for the QB, like Oregon 2010? Was that all Cattouse, or was it because we didn’t want to play zero?
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Cattouse took some responsibility for it
UCLA quarterback Kevin Prince rushed for a career-high 163 yards, much of the time keeping the ball and running around the edge. “We had a plan for him,” Cal safety Sean Cattouse said. “We didn’t execute a few times. A couple times, I was responsible for him, and he got away from me.”
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This is the heart of the matter. Never stopped Prince, never adjusted.
by Anchorsteam Bear on Oct 30, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe Pendergast stated that someone was always accounting for Prince. I take that to mean they always had a spy on him but unfortunately the execution there wasn’t good. Doesn’t help that we had freshmen on the outside unlike Kendricks on the outside last year.
It seems like there was more focus on inside contain and then when adjustments were made to the outside we saw the big gains through the middle by RB including TD.
What a brutal season for Cattouse. I feel bad, because he’s really trying. He just doesn’t have the instincts of Conte, and that’s something that’s hard to teach.
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 30, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the guy (as a person) but he's not good at safety.
He bites too easily on misdirection.
He’s whiffed on tackles that have resulted in huge gains or TDs.
My .02
One, I think what killed us was the interceptions (well duh). SoCal Oski was right, the UCLA team was fired up and ready to play, and as long as the game was close, they were going to fight and claw for it. But if we don’t turn over the ball, and score on our possessions, we win this game easily. I know this may sound weird, but (interceptions aside) our offense looked pretty good in that game, a lot of nice plays, a lot of playmakers.
Two, sadly this game Maynard looked really bad throwing the interceptions. Against SC maybe their defense tricked him into throwing a couple of the interceptions he threw in that game, so part of the credit should go to their D, but in this game, they all seamed like gifts, just bad throws. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I didn’t see the UCLA defenders jump any routes or make great plays to get these interceptions, they just gladly accepted these gifts from a generous Maynard.
I really think Tedford has go with Bridgford; you have to make players accountable.
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Maynard’s picks were pretty much all on bad overthrows. He had a receiver he could have hit, and he missed him badly every time.
Why we kept having him throw out of the pocket when so many of his passes were off the mark (and when he was so much more accurate throwing on the run against Utah), I just don’t understand. It’s like our coaches don’t learn anything about how to design an offense to a QB’s strengths.
So Sad
If that’s the case, especially after he looked so good rolling out against Utah. It’s almost like the coaches have too much pride to admit they do not have a prototypical pocket passer on their hands.
by KikiRevenge on Oct 30, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Not just Utah – we had three decent drives with Maynard – and two of them featured him rolling out of the pocket to his left and hitting Miller and Allen on really pretty plays (the last drive was him and Sofele running outside) – so its not even like the coaches forgot – they just DID that with him rolling out and looking more comfortable.
Whats odd is that Maynard will look gorgeous throwing out of the pocket, but its a terrible actual throw. Like its a perfect spiral, great arm strength, just amazing, but its right to a UCLA guy and there isnt a Cal guy nearby.
Then, he’ll scramble around on other plays, throw across his body on his back foot, while falling backwards and hit KA21 for 35 yards.
It makes less than no sense!!!!!
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it pissed me off when we were throwing on third and short because you could see the INT coming
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by hardtobecalfan on Oct 30, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
A throw with NO option to run. That’s the only call that makes sense with Maynard at the helm, if you must throw on 3rd-and-short. Having him drop back and throw is just suicide.
i hate that our line isn’t strong enough to get the short, tough yards in the running game
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by hardtobecalfan on Oct 30, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
It was one of the worst playcalls of the Tedford era, almost as bad as that Brock Mansion fade against Oregon. When Maynard went into shotgun to drop back on 3rd and inches I wanted to burn things.
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 30, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you meant
the playcall was fine, the players just didn’t execute.
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by CBKWit on Oct 30, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, it seemed like a fairly bad playcall in my view. There were major scheme and execution problems all over the place.
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I don't think anyone can reasonably defend that playcall
It’s the playcaller who didn’t execute on that one
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 30, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe CBK was taking a shot at Avi with that comment
I’m not 100 percent sure but I believe that is what CBK was doing.
by SDBear on Oct 30, 2011 12:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
not really
I’m just teasing the idea that the playcall is always right and it’s the players who fuck it up.
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by CBKWit on Oct 30, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When is that blog post due out this week?
It’s my favorite every week
I don't really like that there are "sides" at all
I kinda enjoyed it more in 2004 when we were all on the same side and that side was fun
I like to be on the winning side
Besides I still believe we are all still on the same side, as in we want to see Cal football succeed. It is just that people are starting to pick sides whether Tedford is capable of making Cal football a winning program again.
by SDBear on Oct 30, 2011 2:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It hurts you to look in this mirror, doesn’t it????
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That’s not my favorite strawman of all time, but it’s definitely up there. I’d put it up in the Top 5. What’s your favorite strawman, CBKWit?
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Yo Twist, I’m really happy for you, and I’ma let you finish, but Obama Is A Socialist is one of the best strawmen OF ALL TIME!
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ya, thats definitely up thre, but I was talking Cal strawmen.
I personally like “Tedford Coaches Not To Lose.” Thats gotta be #1, right?
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Kanye doesn’t care if you’re just talking Cal strawmen!
FTR though, I think “CGB Has An Agenda, And That Agenda Is To Protect Tedford At All Costs Under Any Circumstances” is the biggest BS Cal-related strawman argument.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, considering how ridiuclously unimportant we are in the scheme of things, I dont think its that big of a strawman. But I like to feel big and unimportant!
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It’s maybe not the biggest, but it’s the strawiest strawman. :)
I’d say the Tedford criticisms are usually extremely overwrought but there’s at least a kernel of at least reasonable complaint at the root of them.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 30, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
if it's not #1
it’s right up there. I also love “they wanted it more” (although I think that one is actually true from time to time)
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Time for Bridgford baby
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
don't want to be that guy that's always calling for the backup when something goes wrong but....
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
more than three int's in two games? bascially costing us both those games?
Bridgford, Bridgford, Bridgford….
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
Watch out. Calling for Bridgford
may get you accused of calling for Tedford to be fired.
;P hahaha jk guys cmon!
I’m not sure what to believe here. I’m gong to need a 8 page long thread on this one!
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Ive got both…in spades!
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You couldnt out anti-intellectual me on the anti-intellectualiest day of your life with an electric anti-intellectual machine!!!
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Then all hope is lost
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I’ve been calling for the backup since the preseason. Not sure if any of you guys were able to attend open practices but from admittedly the very little we saw, Bridgford looked fantastic and Maynard looked terrible. Inaccurate, throwing into a sea of defenders with no receivers anywhere in the vicinity, etc.
I’ve been scratching my head since the beginning of the year trying to figure out why we went with Maynard. Only rationale I could think of was worry about o-line… they seem good enough to me at this point.
I truly believe a good QB would’ve given us +3 wins this year easily.
I attended one of the open practices, and I didn’t see that. Bridgford looked solid, but hardly great, and Maynard made the better throws, and made some plays with his running. He also threw two picks, so at least that part has been consistent.
Tedford went with Maynard because he thought he had a higher ceiling (and I think he does), but the mistakes are killing us.
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Depends
On the strengths of the Defenses we’ll face. If they have anything like a decent pass rush, stick with Maynard, and have him run the damn ball every time, fuck it.
At least this time he wasn’t telegraphing his passes. And some of those plays, (the screen to Miller, for one) either the entire team told the bruins what we wwere going to do, or the Bruins just simply played them well.
not as embarrassed as us. we lost. they won.
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by hardtobecalfan on Oct 30, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Kendricks missing the game really hurt us
And he was suspended for violating team rules.
I hate to say it but fuck team rules. He should’ve played. Unless he did something really really bad there’s no reason to hold him out. Kaelin Klay should also be playing. It’s not like our graduation rates are all that good anyway.
In other words, Go Bears!
Nah, if you do this (ignore team rules) then the team will have no discipline and ultimately, they’ll be much worse.
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Did it?
He only missed the first quarter. During that period we forced two UCLA punts and a fumble. They only had 60 yards in 3.5 possessions during the 1st quarter…
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Kendricks in would not have made a diff
The 2nd half, when he was in, was worse than the 1st…I think his brother played better. Prince was reading the ends pretty well – the guys weren’t shedding their blockers.
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