2011 Cal vs. Oregon Post-Game Thoughts
(1) Story of the Game #1: Cal's Defense Gives The Team a Chance. Cal holds Oregon to 14 points in the first quarter and blanks them in the second quarter. It looks like this is an upset in the making if only Cal's offense can complete a pass.
(2) Story of the Game #2: Major Maynard Letdown. There are numerous reasons why Cal lost the game, but one of the bigger reasons was very disappointing play by Maynard (Cal QB #15). Statistically, he was pretty bad. He had a 50% completion rate, and a below average 5.3 yards per pass attempt. Realistically, he was very bad. It was getting to the point that during the game I was actually having Riley flashbacks (former Cal QB #13). I'm not trying to hammer Maynard, but he just couldn't make the throws. He couldn't even make the easy throws. His feet weren't set. His head wasn't straight. His balls were WAY off target -- FREQUENTLY. I'm not sure if it was the pressure of playing on national TV against a ranked team on the road or what, but he just was not on at all. The coaches gave him chances though. They kept letting him throw. They were demonstrating to him that they had confidence in him that he could break out of his cold streak... but he just couldn't do it.
(3) Oregon's First Touchdown Due to Busted Outside Containment. Stopping Oregon's run game requires disciplined gap integrity. For about 98% of the time during the first half, Cal had it. But on that first Oregon touchdown, Cal linebacker McCain (Cal LB #40) lost his outside containment on that run play and gave up the touchdown. Yes, he was held a little bit... but as that outside guy you just CANNOT let the ball carrier get outside of you. You have to keep that ball carrier to the inside where your help is. Oregon's runningbacks have the speed to beat your help if you give them that outside edge, and that's what happened to Cal.
(4) Oregon's Second Touchdown Due to Is Nothing New. Remember that Chip Kelly / Clancy Pendergast chess match post I wrote a while back? Oregon's second touchdown was utilizing that same concept. Cal was playing either a Cover Zero or Man Free. Oregon had trips WRs right, with one TE left. Oregon saw that Cal was playing man coverage. So they faked a run towards the trips, and gave the ball to their WR in the slot who was coming back around against the flow of the play. Then the TE on the offense's left side blocked the Cal defender (Cal CB #1 S. Williams) who was in man coverage and following the WR. As I said before in my post, it's just one offensive guy (the TE) taking out two defenders (the LB covering the TE, and the CB covering the WR). The only difference between that play and the play in my analysis post is just that it's a different formation, and a different delivery (method of getting the ball to the ball carrier), but it's the same concept at play.
(5) Pendergast Basically Uses the Same Gameplan as Last Year. I think the big question mark going into this game was whether Cal Defensive Coordinator Clancy Pendergast would use the same Cover Zero defense most of the game again, and whether Oregon Head Coach Chip Kelly would do anything different this game. The answer? Not really. Both sides had mostly the same stuff as they've shown in last year's game and other non Cal/Oregon games.
Cal pretty much played Cover Zero most of the game. On obvious passing downs they switched to zones. Why did the gameplan work better last year than this year? Cal isn't as talented on defense as it was last year. Last year we had Cameron Jordan, Chris Conte, and Mike Mohamed tearing things up on the field. This year, we had a lot of young players out there getting beat. So it just came down to execution. The schemes were mostly the same, but the player performances weren't the same.
Oregon ran their same offense. I didn't happen to notice anything really new. The only big difference is that they had more success passing the ball than last year. Why is that? Cal lost some experienced players in the secondary (Conte, Nnabuife, Hagan) from last year and instead had younger players out there who weren't matching up as well against Oregon. Oregon was finally having success hitting flag routes and deep posts which they weren't able to do last year.
(6) Cal Throws Out a New Formation on Offense. Tedford decided to throw a new wrinkle at the Oregon defense by using a new formation that put three backs into the backfield behind the QB. I think (I didn't quite catch it) that two of those backs were H-backs -- probably a TE or FB. Those two H-backs were lined up in the offense's B gaps (the gap between the guards and tackles). This made the formation balanced since there was no TE off to one side like usual. This means that Cal is being completely ambiguous as to which way it's going to run the ball.
(7) Surprised That Cal Didn't Run the Ball More. In a game like this when Cal is facing a high powered offense like Oregon's, Tedford usually likes to run the ball, play ball control, and win the time of possession battle. So I was fully expecting Cal to run the rock long and hard with both Sofele (Cal RB #20) and Anderson (Cal RB #9) all day long. Surprisingly, Cal seemed like it really wanted to pass the ball. I think the decision to pass more often was fine. I'm sure Tedford arrived at that decision after watching plenty of film and he saw something he wanted to exploit. But what really surprised me was how Tedford kept passing the ball when it was quite clear how ineffective Maynard (Cal QB #15) was going to be that night. I already mentioned this above, but I guess it showed that Tedford wanted to demonstrate to Maynard that he had faith in him to complete the passes and break out of his funk. I can't blame Tedford for wanting to show some trust in his starting QB... but at the same time I really wanted to see Cal run the ball more.
(8) Anderson Gets More Short Yardage Opportunities. After Cal's loss to Washington two weeks ago, everyone and their mother was complaining about how Anderson (Cal RB #9) should have been in for those two goalline runs (and short yardage plays in general). It appears as if Tedford was listening to everyone (hallelujah!) because Anderson saw a lot more action in some short yardage opportunities.
Specifically, Anderson faced a 3rd and 2 during the 3rd Quarter which resulted in a loss of one yard. He also faced a 1st and Goal from the Oregon 2 yard line in the 4th Quarter which resulted in a two yard loss. He also faced a 3rd and 1 late in the fourth quarter which resulted in an 8 yard gain.
I'm not sure why Anderson didn't convert those first two short yardage plays, but I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact there were defenders in the backfield as soon as he was handed the ball.
And I'm not sure why Anderson was able to convert that 3rd and 1 for an 8 yard gain but I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that there was a gaping wide hole for him to plow through.
(9) Bridgford (Cal QB #16) Gets Some Playing Time. And he looked light-years better than Maynard. Yes, I am aware that Maynard finished the game with a completion rate of about 50% and Bridgford finished the game with a completion rate of 42% (8/19). But Bridgford was calmer. He was more accurate. He stayed in the pocket and manipulated pocket protection. He stepped up into the pocket. I know I sound like a broken record but Maynard has GOT to step up into the pocket and manipulate pocket protection. Bridgford's timing and footwork were solid. His weight transfer of his throws were good. Bridgford keeps his eyes down the field even when things are starting to get hairy around him.
Plenty of people will criticize Maynard for his happy feet. I'm not really one who hates to see happy feet. One of the best QBs in the NFL has the happiest feet you've ever seen (Peyton Manning). Hell, even our beloved Aaron Rodgers playfully bounces around in the pocket like a four-year old in those huge inflatable air fun houses. Rodgers even throws in little jump passes too every now and then. But back to my point. I don't think happy feet are really that bad. QBs want to be light on their feet when in the pocket so they can throw at a moment's notice. If you stay flat footed then you're not going to be able to get that weight transfer going as quickly. To me, Maynard's happy feet were a problem because it was more indicative of his nervousness. When that first read wasn't open, his world just came crashing down. He couldn't find another open WR and even if he did, he couldn't make the throw.
I actually think the game would have been a whole lot different if Bridgford were the QB instead of Maynard. Maybe Bridgford played better because by the time he was in the game, the game was no longer in doubt. There was less pressure. That's a reasonable explanation. Maybe if Bridgford had started the game to begin with he wouldn't have played so well. Very possible. But no matter what the explanation for Bridgford's decent performance, he just looked better to me than what Maynard was showing on the field.
I know in my Presbyterian Post-Game Thoughts I stated that based on the limited sample size of Bridgford pass attempts from that game that Maynard appeared to be the better QB. For now, I think I still am standing by that statement. Maynard is still probably Cal's best option for QB this year, but I do think that Bridgford's good showing (juxtaposed against Maynard's poor showing) really earned him some brownie points.
Bridgford DOES have a longer and slower delivery than Maynard though. I wouldn't say that it's so long as to where it is really detrimental to him -- at least not here on the college level. But it would be nice if it were shorter and quicker. Bridgford does appear to have a stronger arm than Maynard though.
(10) Snap Notification. Remember in my Colorado post-game thoughts I mentioned how Cal's right guard (Cheadle) would notify the center (Galas) of when the QB was ready for the shotgun snap by giving the center a little poke in the arm? While watching the Detroit Lions play the Dallas Cowboys this two weekends ago, I noticed the Detroit Lions RG doing the exact same thing! Looks like this little notification system might have been something which Cal Offensive Lineman Coach Michalczik might have picked up from the NFL. Next time you watch the Detroit Lions play (tonight on Monday Night Football would be a good start!), keep an eye out for their right guard doing the snap notification.
Oh, and it was nice to hear the TV announcers talk about that same point I made too. I bet you they read this blog just like Tedford does.
(11) Execution is key. Over on Ted Miller's Pac-12 blog, Mr. Miller has a great quote from Oregon head coach Chip Kelly:
Oregon's nailbiting 15-13 win over California last year is remembered for a number of reasons.
For one, the Bears held the Ducks to a season-low in points and yards (317). Second, many pundits would insist that it became a blueprint for how to slow down the Ducks.
Cal won the battle up front, particularly defensive end and future NFL first-round draft pick Cameron Jordan. It was able to penetrate and disrupted the Ducks rhythm. It was effective in man coverage. It had linebackers fast enough to spy Ducks quarterback Darron Thomas. It tackled well. It didn't fall for the Ducks misdirection.
It seemed to give Oregon some specific looks that caused confusion, but Ducks coach Chip Kelly said "Nope," when asked if Cal did anything special schematically.
"They executed," Kelly said. "That's what the game of college football comes down to, which team on which given day can execute better than the other team. They did a really nice job executing against us. A fundamentally sound defense. No real holes in it."
I say it time and time again. It's about execution. Execution is the single most determinative factor in who wins football games. It seems so obvious, right? Apparently not. Football fans nation wide love to look elsewhere to place the blame when things go wrong. Typical explanations: playcalling sucked, coaching sucked, the team quit, playcalling lacks creativity, etc. All those explanations are secondary to the fact that (1) a player made a mistake; and/or (2) the opposing player out-executed the player they are matched up against.
Coaches know what's up. Chip Kelly just laid it all out for fans. Execution, execution, execution. Fancy gameplans do help out, but even the perfect gameplan is useless against superior EXECUTION.
I mean, I just find it so mind-boggling how football fans love to try and find the most complex answers to why their team isn't winning when the single most important answer is right in front of them.
Cal lost to Oregon because we didn't execute as well as they did. We gave up the big runs and lost the battle at the line of scrimmage in the second half. Also, our offense couldn't put points on the board. That's all there is to it.
(12) To Pass or to Run ... That is the Question. While reading an ESPN Magazine, I was reminded of the whole Nash Equilibrium thing. For those of you who don't know what it is, you can google it for a more thorough explanation than I'm about to provide, but it's basically a game theory strategy in which a football team should run or pass in a proportion such that the average yards per rush is equivalent to the average yards gained per pass attempt. In other words, if a team is rushing the ball 76% of the time (and only passing the ball 24% of the time), but their average yards per rush are equal to their average yards per pass attempt, then they're maximizing their offense. On the other hand, if a team is rushing the ball 55% of the time (and passing the ball 45% of the time), but their average yards per rush is 3.5 yards, and their average yards per pass attempt is 7.0 yards, then the team should pass more.
So that got me wondering how Cal was doing so far on the season. Prior to the Oregon game, Cal was averaging about 5.0 yards per rush between both Sofele (Cal RB #20) and Anderson (Cal RB #9). On the other hand, Cal was averaging about 7.78 yards per pass attempt from Maynard (Cal QB #15). Thus, Nash Equilibrium says that Cal should be passing more.
Before I just looked those numbers (and those numbers are kinda messed up thanks to the Presbyterian game), I was thinking the same thing. Cal's passing attack is undoubtedly much better than its rushing attack this year. Cal has lots of big time play makers at receiver who probably need to get the ball more often whenever possible.
Of course, Nash equilibrium is just a statistic machine and it doesn't take into account the defensive personnel, the defensive formations, and down-n-distance which so often dictate whether a team runs or passes the ball. Thus, the Nash Equilibrium conclusion can't be blindly taken in whole without further (actual) X&O football analysis... but it is an interesting tool to use and think about.
Now, what were Cal's statistics during the Oregon game? Cal was averaging about 5.35 yards per pass attempt, and about 7.4 yards per rush between Sofele and Anderson. So Nash Equilibrium states that Cal should have run the ball more.
How many times did Cal pass the ball during the game? Cal attempted 60 pass attempts.
How many times did Cal rush the ball during the game? Cal rushed the ball approximately 25 times.
That's 71% passing the ball, and 29% rushing the ball. Now, I know those statistics are a bit whack because Cal was in desperation mode towards the end and was passing the ball left and right, but even if we bumped those numbers down to something like 60% passing and 40% rushing, I still think Cal wasn't rushing the ball enough. As I said before, the typical football strategy for games like this is to just control the ball by running it which slows down the game. I would have liked to see Cal rushing the ball 60% of the time, and passing the ball 40% of the time. With a balance like that then the rush average and pass average would probably be more equal.
BUT... before we all go ape shit about playcalling let's remember one thing: Tedford scouted Oregon's defense, and we didn't (or at least I didn't and I'm pretty sure 99.999% of those reading this didn't either). Tedford probably saw something in their pass defense which he was trying to exploit and hence why he was passing so much.
(13) Students first, Athletes second. Here's another interesting reason why Cal lost the game: Cal sends its players to class. Yup. They go to class and miss practice. Okanes has the scoop:
Not only does a Thursday game force the Bears to alter their practice schedule, but it has an impact academically as well. Tedford said there may be some players who are forced to miss practice tomorrow becasue of classes. The Bears normally have Mondays off, and although most Monday classes are on a Mon-Wed-Fri schedule, there are some that are just once a week on Mondays. Players take Mon-Wed-Fri classes in the afternoons because of morning practices, but some have Monday morning classes since Mondays are usually a day off from football.
"They are going to miss practice to go to class. Class takes priority," Tedford said.
While I admire Tedford for being that coach who has always pushed academics first and sports second, I think that attitude may also be his undoing. Having a nice high APR rating and a 90%+ graduation rate is nice and all, but Cal fans are like other college football fans across the nation in that they ultimately want to see wins. Am I right? Would you really be willing to take mediocre season after mediocre season for a 100% graduation rate, or would you rather take 9+ win season after 9+ win season and a 80% graduation rate? I'm betting most Cal fans would take the latter, and if not the latter then they would say that Cal needs to find a head coach who can not only graduate the football players but also deliver BCS bowls. Good luck with that search. You can probably only count the number of coaches who truly care about academics and can deliver frequent BCS bowls on the fingers of one hand.
So unless Tedford starts delivering 9+ wins in 2012, and 2013 at the very latest, I think that it won't matter that he's emphasizing academics at an academic school. Cal may be an academic school, but its fans are sports fans, and sports fans want wins. Tedford will get canned. And without regard to his abilities as a head coach, I do think that it would be unfortunate since he seems to be the perfect academics coach for this academic school.
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Regading the whole playcall vs execution or coach vs player, I don’t think the two are different when it comes to execution. The coaches have to prepare the players to run their plays/gameplan that they’ve decided on. In-game, they have to make the right calls. Sometimes it gets down to players not executing, but does anyone ever ask if it was established that they can execute that play? Was the playcall a poor utilization of their skills? If needed, are coaches able to adjust the gameplan on the fly so that their players can out-execute the offense/defense?
I would guess it’s something like 50% “Player X did not block/throw/catch/run properly in accords with the proscribed playcall” and it’s 50% “We shouldn’t be surprised we didn’t succeed since we asked Player X to do this and we know he’s not real good at that.” The latter gets back to talent, the former gets back to poor practice/attention to detail, and both, imo, fall on coach and player.
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executing a successful offense and defense is obviously hugely contingent on the coaches. Look at the difference between Cal 2001 and Cal 2002. Or oregon 2008 and 2009. The players were largely the same, but the results were vastly different due to the coaching. Preparing your players to execute the game plan and creating a game plan where they will suceed more often than not is pretty much all of what coaching is, right?
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Could it be that our best players are receivers, so it makes sense to pass the ball to them as much as we can? Isi’s had a nice couple of games, but he’s more of a change of pace back rather than Shane Vereen, or a Marshawn Lynch. You can’t pound the rock with sofele, time and again.
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--Coach Clark
Re: point #8 and blocking — yes, yes, yes. Hopefully after Isi’s good half against Oregon the CJA bandwagon will level out a little.
Re: Coach Tedford and academics — I think it would take a lot of pressure on Sandy for him to be let go, plus, there’d have to be another coach lined up in the waiting. So I don’t think it’ll happen unless he has another losing season or two, but maybe that’s wishful thinking since I hope it doesn’t happen at all.
As far as Bridgford goes, I thought he showed a brilliant passing arm both against Oregon and Presby. The big issue is his decision-making, e.g. not throwing into triple coverage.
n.b. -- This comment does not constitute official chemistry advice.
Hopefully after Isi’s good half against Oregon the CJA bandwagon will level out a little
I never understood the CJA bandwagon and why everybody was on it. I’m not down on him and like his potential but people need to be more realistic of what he is capable of at this time. Did anybody catch the busted running play where it was going right and CJA went left? How about when he stayed in to block on a pass play before releasing and tripping up Schwenke whose man then sacked Maynard? Little details and execution screwups is all the evidence that is needed to show that CJA is not there yet.
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especially when the backup has showed he can break tackles
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I’m not even speaking specifically to this situation. Just in general, if the starter isn’t meeting expectations, fans will impute certain restorative and magical powers to the backup.
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I think Bridgford needs to tap a blue mana!
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Yeah, I know it was Bridgford’s first meaningful PT and all, but I was kind of surprised to read such effusive praise for Bridgford from the normally restrained Hydro without ANY reference whatsoever to the several near-picks and should-have-been-picks he threw. I liked the confidence that he could fit it in there, but the decision-making needs to improve.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 10, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Maynard/Bridgeford
I understand the backupQBitis point, but Maynard has not really looked that good to me this season as a whole, not just in the Oregon game. He throws a terrible ball, is very inaccurate, and just locks onto his brother when he’s in trouble. Our stud WRs are making him look a lot better than he is. If he had the receivers that Riley had in ‘08 and ’09, his completion percentage would be much lower. Also, what of his “escape dimension”? Watching the UW game, I couldn’t help but think that Maynard is a poor man’s version of Keith Price. Price is a better passer and runner, even though he was playing on a sprained knee. I think we are still looking for our solution at QB, and do not believe in the long run that Maynard is that solution. For this season, considering out BATNA (an unproven and young Bridgeford), it might be best to stick with him, but if he keeps playing like he is, I’m not convinced he’ll start next year again.
I imagine the coaches’ handling of this situation is also complicated by the fact that Keenan Allen, our best player, is his brother. That is, after all, why he de-committed from ’Bama to come here.
by DelthaForce on Oct 10, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The future at QB
Could Tedford start Zach Kline as a true freshman in 2012? He’d be moving him in front of basically the entire depth chart:
Maynard – Sr.
Bridgford – Sr.
Hinder – Blue Shirt So.
Boehm – Blue Shirt Fr.
It’s probably unlikely that Tedford would do something like this, especially when the Cal offense seems to take some time to digest and run correctly. My guess is that he sticks with Maynard and grooms Kline to take over in 2013.
He won’t.
Hinder has a LOT of potential, and Bridgford may overtake Maynard next year.
Not sure about Boehm yet, he needs to prove himself.
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by EchoOfSilence on Oct 10, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually didn’t think that Bridgford played all that well against Oregon. His throwing motion is way too long and he made some bad choices that were almost INTs. He was just forcing stuff and hoping his receivers could make a play. I don’t know much about Hinder, but I know that Tedford is really, really high on Zach Kline. I was at an event where somebody asked about him and he said he couldn’t comment because he’s still technically a recruit and hasn’t signed yet, but he smiled and said “believe what you read about him.”
I still think that Maynard gives us the best chance to win ballgames. I think that if he can get more consistent, in the next four games (three of which are at home), he can help us win some games we desperately need to win.
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Allen Bridgford had 0 TD passes and 11 INTs in his senior year. I kid you not.
Come on Daveman
That’s not right at all. You really believe you can complete 60% of your passes and throw no TDs?
Bridgford earned several accolades during his senior year, including 2008 South Coast League Co-Offensive MVP and Team MVP honors, as well as All-SCL recognition when he led his team to the section playoffs … completed 184-of-300 (61.3%) passes during his senior year, amassing single-season school records and nationally-leading totals of 3,058 passing yards (254.8 ypg) and 38 touchdown throws, with his 184 completions also a single-season mark
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 10, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
:-/ That’s concerning about next week and the rest of the season. I imagine they must be some key players or else we’d just sub for them.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 10, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Two things:
Execution is the single most determinative factor in who wins football games.
Yep. I would think even the most rabid or wild-eyed fan understands this. Even if they don’t want to admit it because it’s not as sexy as blaming the plays or the refs or etc.
Would you really be willing to take mediocre season after mediocre season for a 100% graduation rate, or would you rather take 9+ win season after 9+ win season and a 80% graduation rate?
I take pride in the fact that Tedford values the academic side so highly. But I think your question isn’t the right one because it asks about a symptom instead of a cause. If you believe that graduation rate is dictated by how seriously the players take academics, your question then becomes, “Would you rather accept a mediocre season and a coach that will not compromise on academics, or consistent 9+ wins per season with a coach is that willing to look the other way in terms of his players going to class.” That’s a no-brainer for me. We are not Florida or SC.
Being an Old Blue means never accepting success.
"Would you rather accept a mediocre season and a coach that will not compromise on academics, or consistent 9+ wins per season with a coach is that willing to look the other way in terms of his players going to clas
National exposure is great and all when you win on tv, but I’d prefer the weekday night games to be removed from Cal’s schedule. I could care less about them
Well, I couldn’t care less about them. :)
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by atomsareenough on Oct 10, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd be curious
to see the graduation rate of our plays during our better years (2004) compared to now. I imagine that they are somewhat comparable.
Education is an excuse IMHO. I think what’s a bigger factor is that we are in a rebuilding year and played a number of freshman who show promise and will get better in time but are bound to make mistakes in that growth process.
However, at QB, I think it’s fair to ask whether Bridgford should get a crack at starting.
I didn’t mean to imply that one had to have either wins or graduation success. But Hydro framed the question in that way. My point was that graduation rate is just the result of having a coach who understood and emphasized academics. The logic being that if we had a coach that only cared about football, he wouldn’t mind kids skipping classes. Those kids would then be less likely to graduate, and so on.
Given that assumption and Hydro’s zero-sum scenario, my preference is for a coach who stresses the classroom at the cost of wins over a coach that stresses wins over the classroom.
Being an Old Blue means never accepting success.
Given that assumption and Hydro’s zero-sum scenario, my preference is for a coach who stresses the classroom at the cost of wins over a coach that stresses wins over the classroom.
Of course I want our football players to get a great education. But I think this ranks very low on the reasons for the lack of performance. Only when one looks at the extremes (not going to class, very high failure rates) does it become a bigger factor. Of course most of us don’t want that and, even at a place like Oregon, I doubt they are that bad when it comes to classes.
There are a few things that bother me with this whole student athletes and practice time:
1) You can miss class and still do very well in college. No, it’s not a hard and fast rule, but I found it was actually a better use of my time to not go to Genetics taught by one of the founders of Genentech, than to go and have the him read directly from the powerpoint slides. My point: you can miss a class here or there and sometimes not even go for most of the term and still do very well. You just have to be self-motivated and probably a few other self- traits.
2) Do student athletes, particularly Cal’s student-athletes need to be coddled in such a way? These athletes are supposed to be adults.
3) Combined with 1) and 2), what kind of “students” are we, and college football programs in general, attracting? Are we the minor leagues of the NFL?
4) If practice was a no-go on Monday, then perhaps we shouldn’t have given players the weekend off? I’m not sayin, I’m just sayin.
5) And then we have the balls to say “we’re not executing.” EXECUTE!
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As to points 1 and 2
Yeah, you can do well in college missing a few classes and yeah, student athletes are adults. But when your program is judged by, among other things, the APR and graduation rate, then you’re going to do what you can to get your players to class.
Keeping January 2 open. You know, just in case.
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I think the whole “academic” side of college sports and football in particular is dumb. Yes, I’m proud of the Alex Macks and Richard Fishers, and that Marvin Jones will graduate (albeit in African American studies) with a kid and a baby momma and all that. But I don’t care if Tedford or any other coach “graduates” players per se. What does that get me, a seat at the “Good job for having the best intentions!” table?
There’s an element of “academics” that Young and Old Blues hold onto and actually think their school is above all that. They’re not. They have special admits like everyone else. They have problem children, occasionally, and have associated themselves with people who are likely not playing nice. We are closer to Evil than most people care to admit, and it’s time to stop using it as an excuse or a “it-holds-us-down”.
That being said, I am happy with Tedford’s off-field approach, moreso than I am with Chip Kelly’s. I do think there are more coaches out there that are closer to Tedford than we think or even realize.
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Frankly
I think Cal alumni feel a bit differently about the academic side of things than you apparently do.
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It’s a fantasy land of sorts, where they think most members of the football team could actually get into Cal without their awesome football talents, pick majors that are in line with what other students choose, and actually try to graduate.
I’m a one-way-or-the-other on this:
1) Either you make all NCAA students “try out” for their scholarship after they’ve been admitted via the general pool of applicants (see a good chunk of college baseball and all other non-revenue sports). If you don’t meet fairly strict academic criteria (2.5 GPA), you’re getting your scholly yanked and it’s on you.
or
2) Stop caring about “APR” and “whether students go to their Nutrition class” and admit college football is the minor leagues of the NFL. If the student athlete chooses to excel, he/she will have access to resources like special tutors, office hours, and proctored environments. If not, it’s their loss.
Seems like we’re closer to 2) than 1), and I hate pretending like academics are critical to college football.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
1) Either you make all NCAA students "try out" for their scholarship after they’ve been admitted via the general pool of applicants (see a good chunk of college baseball and all other non-revenue sports).
Emphasis mine. This is false. Non revenue sports at Cal have limited scholarships, but they absolutely get preferred admission for their athletes. A personal anecdote: one of my friends in school was on the water polo team. He was and is a brilliant guy with great high school “credentials”, and because he was able to gain acceptance to Cal via the normal application process, the water polo team got to enroll another player that year. They get to “tag” something like 10 applications a year, and those players get admitted to Cal. Because my friend would have gotten in anyways, they didn’t have to use a tag on him and got another player.
On point two, many, many non-athletes major in things like Nutri Sci or African American Studies, and I would guess that football players do not constitute a majority of athletes in those majors. Being so condescending about those majors is just dickish.
Overall, I do not accept that there is this either on or the other premise, just as much as I don’t accept the “it’s 100% execution and thus the coaches have no responsibility” argument. Both are much more nuanced than that.
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I guess I’m wrong…I could’ve sworn non-revenue sports were more representative of the student body than revenue and higher profiled non-revenue sports.
Perhaps and backup and say, the closest thing to student-athletes involves no sports-based scholarships or special admissions. I think this is called Division II or Division III? I think even these schools offer “grants” w/ low GPA requirements and special admissions.
Basically, by my definition, there are very few real student-athletes in all of NCAA. However, it makes us all feel better about college athletics if we pretend that graduation rates and the like are important criteria.
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Also, being on an athletic team is a LOT of time. Even if you go pro in something else! So, its not so easy just to major in chemical engineering.
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Are we the minor leagues of the NFL?
Is that even a question?
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I think its called all of college football.
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then we should stop pretending that going to Monday classes > preparing for a Thursday game on The Ocho against the #9 team in the country.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
If I were a scholarship athlete (and I was never even close)
I would chose to go to class because even most of the Div 1 players never get on the field and I would be maximizing my earnings potential by trying to get a Cal degree versus trying to get drafted in the NFL.
Also, to think that we do not owe these athletes an education because college is “the minor leagues of the NFL” ignores the fact that these guys make a ton of money for the University and get none of that themselves while they risk debilitating injuries every week.
Fact is we are getting a bargain (maybe even abusing these athletes,) which gives me a pause ethically. It is a very complicated issue as was pointed out earlier in this thread and you lose some accuracy when you try to reduce the complexity.
Great post Hydro, thank you.
I like this format of things and agree with most of your thoughts, especially #2 on Maynard. I remain convinced that Cal would have at the least lost by a narrower margin, a respectable margin, with even AVERAGE PAC12 QB play. We win the game with good QB play. This because with our run game going along with passing, we own the clock and take 1-2 scores away from Oregon, plus we have our own.
I hate to say it as a sunshine pumper, but I’m pumped out already. Yet more bad QB play has left me with no real hope against good teams this year. Bummer.
(5) Pendergast Basically Uses the Same Gameplan as Last Year.
Essentially, yes, but I feel there was more base 3-4 fronts mixed in this year whereas last year, it was almost all 3-3 fronts. Coverages were the same as well as the Cover Zero scheme for the Oregon running game.
Front Seven
I noticed that our D-line in particular was lining up differently than normal. The nose tackle lined across from the center, very close to the LOS. However, both of the DE’s would line up say over the tackles, but a yard or so removed from the LOS. The LB’s had varying depths, that to me, had no rhyme or reason to it. I’ve never really seen other teams do this, though I’ve seen Cal do this before (Oregon last year). What is the advantage of this style of front?
Seems to me like it would help the DE’s with runs to the outside, as they should be able to get on the outside of their blocker. But it would also seem to make them less stiff against runs that come straight at you (the DE’s here, not the NG, since they’re the ones removed from the LOS). When Oregon started pounding the ball on their first drive in the 2nd half, they did so with basic runs between the tackles, good for 2-4 yards each time. I’m thinking this was an adjustment by the Ducks, a sort of take what they’re giving you strategy, and it worked.
I’m thinking this was an adjustment by the Ducks, a sort of take what they’re giving you strategy, and it worked.
Exactly. I forgot if I commented about that somewhere here or in another post but the Oregon drive to start the second half and the last drive of last year’s game were similar. The knocked Cal off the ball and chipped away a few yards at a time and passed in obvious passing down situations. Granted this year they passed on 1st down twice to keep things mixed up but they were trying to score, not run the clock out.
I’m not sure why Anderson didn’t convert those first two short yardage plays, but I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact there were defenders in the backfield as soon as he was handed the ball.
Sofele should have been in.!!!!!
Thought this little bit by Hydro was lame...
While I agree if a defender gets in the back field your RB may likely get tackled, I still think CJ has a better chance of breaking tackles than Sofele. That’s not a knock on Sofele but a praise for CJ.
Take a look at Beast Mode’s highlight videos from Cal. Better yet, see CJ’s videos from Colorado where he takes a couple major hits and stays up to take it into the end zone.
This isn’t about CJ vs Sofele. My point is that this is about run blocking. What’s lame is Cal fans who blast Sofele for stuff that isn’t his fault. Sofele gets crap blocking against Washington, nobody cares, and everyone wants Sofele benched for CJ. Ridiculous.
by HydroTech on Oct 10, 2011 9:12 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah, I agree
Sofele has looked great the last two games.
With that said, I don’t think it’s an attack on him to acknowledge he’s better suited for certain situations. The same for CJ.
On a stretch play at the goal line against UW, I think he probably is the better back. He’s clearly faster than CJ. But I also think it’s right to say that if you’re going to pound it in, CJ is your better back.
exactly
I don’t think anyone was saying that CJ is “better” than Isi, nor that Isi shouldn’t be the starter. I certainly wasn’t. As I wrote in our post UW round table, I thought UW was Isi’s best game, and I think we was good against Oregon too.
Saying that and saying that CJ should have been in at the goal line are not at all mutually exclusive, and people should not try to claim things of others that were not said.
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I got the joke... but you missed the point.
Sarcasm aside, the point implies that CJ is no better a back than Sofele (in short yardage/goal line situations).
This is something CJ can do that Sofele can’t:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mevnuABXxac&t=3m8s
Sofele would’ve been arm tackled.
3 and 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjBxWyl84Gk&t=5m30s
Sofele would’ve either an into pile for a loss or tackled on the edge for no gain.
Again, I’m not knocking Sofele. I’m giving credit to CJ where credit is due.
I think it’s lame to make petty sarcasm against those who feel this way and to simply call it a CJ bandwagon. I think you’re lame for thinking this is all a joke. :)
I think it’s lame to make petty sarcasm against those who feel this way and to simply call it a CJ bandwagon.
My bandwagon comment about CJ above was in reference to people wanting to see more of CJ than Sofele when Sofele was not putting up the numbers he did the past 2 games. So, I pointed out with having a larger body of work that CJ screwed up a number of times and and left it at that so I wouldn’t sound like a condescending asshole since it seems to bug people around these parts when they are proven wrong. I should have been more clear so other posters wouldn’t get confused with what I was saying. That is solely what the bandwagon comment was based on.
My original comment here was strictly for humor purposes only since CGB is a place where inanity is a common tone but since you take everything so literally, your point is well understood by me. CJ breaking tackles, yeah, I’m in agreement there. I appreciate you taking the time to back up your point with video footage but I’ll remember in the future that you are a serious dude.
Actually..
My use of the word “bandwagon” wasn’t in reference to your earlier comment. It’s a reference to Hydro’s sarcasm which seems like it’s addressed to this bandwagon (regardless of your comment).
With that said, this is a football blog. God forbid there be any criticism… or criticism of the criticism. Next time I’ll be more careful about my use of the word “lame” should I be flamed for it (sarcasm or not). If it helps, I think everything else in this post was awesome.
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Agreed
Anderson is bigger, but he’s not the bruiser we fancy him to be. Sofele really impressed me with his big runs. He sees the flow of the play, reads his blocks, and got some big runs very reminiscent of some of our past RB’s. His speed isn’t the same, and apparently neither is his durability, but I like everything else.
So which is it?
There seems to be a minor contradiction between points #11 and #12. #11 stresses execution and the #12 says that we should’ve ran more. So which is it?
Obviously if you brought in the Packers to execute the exact same plays we did, we would’ve won. :) I think it’s unrealistic to expect perfect execution, even at the professional level. I think the latter point rings true. It’s like war: You can have your battle plan going in, but it has to adjust to live conditions.
I’m not one who is calling for heads but I really wonder who’s actually calling our plays. In some ways, I can see why we kept throwing. Going into the game, an obvious weakness on Oregon D is their secondary and Maynard→Allen could get them all day. But, just like the Washington game, it seems that when they run a certain type of coverage (zone? cover 2?) Maynard is afraid to throw down field except on broken plays.
But actual game time showed that Maynard was having major issues with getting rid of the ball. He wouldn’t throw downfield and his short dumps were hitting the ground. The lack of calling run plays isn’t on execution (unless you mean execution of our offensive playcalling) but a fault of our coaches.
With that said, my criticism isn’t black and white. Without all the game planning, review of tape etc it’s foolish to be 100% confident of such a position. But I think it’s fair to say that our loss is not completely due to a lack of execution (on our players) but also due fairly to other issues (playcalling, preparation, etc.).
I can’t quite follow your critique of Hydro but it sounds rather harsh in tone. Saying it is “foolish” of Hydro to be 100% certain that execution is the name of the game, is rather like saying it is “foolish” to say the sun also rises. It’s a fact. At your conclusion you say it may be less about execution than about preparation, when the latter comes from the former just as rain from clouds.
So, I think you are too harsh in your tones and not clear enough in your critique. Otherwise, speak your peace.
I think you misread what I wrote
I wasn’t calling him foolish. I was saying it would be foolish of me to see my own criticism as black and white.
well, certainly execution is not the only piece of the puzzle. It’s probably the biggest, but that is beside the point.
Which is: saying execution is the main piece of the puzzle does not mean remove coaches from the equation. It’s their responsibility to teach their players how to execute and to implement a game plan that gives said players a good chance at succeeding. One good example is Maynard. You look to all those third and short throws into the dirt and think, man, it was right there, if only he could hit that open receiver. I sure said that frequently thursday night. But is it all Maynard’s fault? After all, the coaches are the ones who teach him technique, how to step up in the pocket, how to (hopefully) throw the ball accurately. Isn’t it the coaching staff’s responsibility to ensure that one of their 5 scholarship qbs can throw a 3 yard flat pattern successfully? Perhaps one of the other qbs can, but Maynard is playing because he brings other things to the table (say, his mobility). Wouldn’t it then be their responsibility, if they know he struggles on short passes, to call plays that play to his strengths?
These are nuanced questions, and certainly can’t be addressed by saying “it’s all the coaches fault” or “it’s all the player’s fault”. It is troubling, though, that Cal QBs in recent years (Ayoob, Riley, Mansion, now Maynard) have struggled so much completing what should be the most elementary passes. Certainly, the coaching staff bears some responsibility for creating or not creating a successful offense.
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I'm still a big fan of Tedford
and the rest of our coaching staff.
But I’m beginning to feel that “execution” has become something of a straw man.
Mostly I feel this way due to the questionable playcalling, lack of adjustments, questionable personnel in certain situations and other factors that are not (player) execution-related.
To some degree, I trust our coaches. My point is that any team that executes perfectly will always have the best chance to win— BUT expecting teams to execute perfectly is foolish. No team will execute perfectly.
Players have to be put in situations where they have the best chance to execute (eg. CJ @ goal line, put Bridgford in if Maynard is injured and can’t throw, running if passing is not working).
WRT the Oregon game, I think the defensive part of the game was mostly about execution in that the scheme/personnel was mostly sound (despite growing pains). I wouldn’t say the same for the offensive side of it. Maybe the growing pains are just worse on the offensive side of the ball.
Sorry
Those were passes any starting HS QB should have made (well 90% of the time, but still).
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which makes it all the more startling
that we’ve had so many different qbs over the last few years fail to meet that standard.
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All good points Hydro. I’ve always felt that our new OLB’s would be an Achilles heel, not because they are not talented but because they are still raw. They are improving every week though. Remember the Colorado game where some guys looked totally confused?…Well at least they are more on point but making rookie mistakes. As far as Maynard goes, I’m not ready to throw in the towel but he definitely reminded me of Kevin Riley which sends shivers up my spine. As far as JT goes, for some reason, this game made me even more pissed we lost at UDub. The more I think of it the more ticked off I am at that game because IMHO, (and limited knowledge compared to you), JT really screwed the pooch. I’m really starting to think JT is behind the times.
I share your growing concern about JT, at least insofar as his ability to create an offense. It is just flat out inexcusable that we have had bad offense for so many years against decent teams. And really bottom of the barrel QB play in the Pac12 for so many years. This is either on his recruiting, or coaching, or both. And I realized this year that I am long over my Tedford love developed in those glory early years. Either we get good play from Maynard/Bridgford or Tedford and company do not have the ability to put a good QB on the field in a position to succeed. Major bummer.
Tedford's offense
will resemble the ones Cal fans fell in love with when they find a decent QB. The QB can really be the difference between a .500 record (or worse) and competing for a conference title. Would Cal fans have won against Oregon with a Longshore? Maybe not. But it would have been close, it would have been competitive,
Is it not JT’s job to develop QB’s? He may or may not be a Guru anymore but how many QB’s do we have to go thru to find the golden goose?…He recruits them and develops them doesn’t he? We haven’t had consistent play from a QB since Longshore got injured. I think I’ve been pretty patient for a long time. I see all manner of QB’s in college who weren’t without Elite 11 status doing well each week. Seems like the excuses are wearing thin.
by Cal_Fan2 on Oct 10, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
by no means making an excuse
whether it be that he’s not putting good QBs in a position to succeed (not likely IMO) or him not identifying, then signing, the right QB (more likely IMO), Tedford is responsible for it either way. Seeing how our top 2 QBs performed was hard to watch on Thursday, and it was there for the nation to see. It’s unfortunate.
Aside from the big plays, I think our defense really showed up (in the first half).
I think the bigger concern came from the 3Q when they kept running it up the gut and we could not stop them. They drove down field for 2TDs like a hot knife through butter.
I’d have to see tape but I think it was either a failure in scheme (lack of support down the middle) or our DL/ILBs getting overwhelmed.
I haven’t seen a lot of Oregon’s complete games this year, but my take is that once Oregon exposes a chink in your armor, you’re dead. In the first half, Darron Thomas looked very pedestrian because we made him pass in obvious passing situations. We did that by shutting down the run for the most part. In the 2nd half, Anthony gets hurt and they go after McClure with success. After that, the wheels rock off the wagon, and we’re screwed. The running game opens up, which further opens up the passing game. This seems to be Oregon’s trademark for success.
In the LSU game, Thomas looked very ordinary because he also had to pass in passing situations because their running game never took off. Again, once they expose you in one area, you’re toast.
Was Kendricks playing OLB this game? I saw him on the edge on a number of plays.
I thought he moved to ILB this year. Someone please set me straight…
He has been moved to ILB this year but I also noticed him on the edges a lot
I am not sure if it was just him following the plays to the outside or him lining up at OLB.
That damn crowned field at Autzen
I think Autzen has the most exaggerated crowned field (center is higher than sidelines) of any college field I’ve seen (drainage reasons due to all that rain?). I think it messes with visiting QBs who don’t prepare for it.
Not an excuse, but I’ve seen too many QBs get out of sorts at Autzen their first time around; perplexing overthrows (not accounting for crown) or frustrating underthrows (over-compensating for crown).
I think it may also affect defensive lines as the opposing RBs are literally running downhill when going to the outside. I think Kelly knows that and is also somehow able to get refs to ignore the blatant holding by their Oline.
This Cal team does play hard, I’ll give them that. There are some players worth watching, but the team as a whole is, well, just not that good. I would be ecstatic to see an upset or two the rest of the season and to beat those teams we SHOULD beat (OSU and Wazzu), but hopefully don’t lay an egg.
Yeah, that’s what I heard.
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by atomsareenough on Oct 10, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
So...
Does anyone (Cali49a?) know serious the Maynard injury was? When he was taken out, was it more with the aim of keeping him safe for the next game because it was out of reach at that point, or was it that he was seriously hurt and couldn’t play?
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Is there any reason why the team can’t change their practice time for the two Thursday games? The players can go to class in the morning and practice late afternoon right? I don’t see why this could not be an option.
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by berkeleyboy510 on Oct 10, 2011 10:39 AM PDT reply actions
Looked serious enough to take him out
Looked to me like a neck stinger or possible concussion…either way, at that point it seemed like a good idea to call it a night.
It’s always seemed like our depth isn’t always there, which goes back to recruiting…I know the ESPN 150 lists aren’t everything, but the top teams always seem to have the highest number of guys on that list, and are always pretty tough (except Notre Dame) and we usually only have one, maybe two. Doesn’t mean you can’t win without two sets of 4 and 5 star guys, but’s it’s very difficult to beat the top teams deep into the season with only a few superstars.
Since Cal isn’t always high on every top recruit’s list, the big selling point is the academics; hence it makes sense, both in terms of success on the field and for the player’s sake, to make academics a priority. I think both Tedford and Barbour agree on that, ands that’s one thing I’d always hang my hat on as a Cal fan. Just need some t-shirts that remind the USC fans of that. Especially if we get slaughtered – which I don’t think we will, I think Maynard will do much better and we’ll be competitive throughout.
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Bridgford (Cal QB #16) Gets Some Playing Time. And he looked light-years better than Maynard.
I’m not sure I would go as far as to say he looked “light-years” better, I mean he had 2 or 3 near interceptions, however he did throw the ball a bit better as the game went on.
Bridgford may have
been better than Maynard, but that’s like being the skinniest kid at fat/obese camp. He hit a guy on 5 yard crossing route early, which was nice, but he winds up to throw like he’s Robb Nen trying to close out the 9th. He threw into double/triple coverage repeatedly. Props to one of the announcers who had the audacity to point out, after Bridgford had completed some simple passes, that it was amazing how good things happen when you can hit open receivers.
Initially i thought he was underwhelming
but re-watching his play I came out pretty impressed.
See all Bridgford’s plays: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hfy4Lg1w-Q
The 2 potential interceptions are worrisome. But there is only where he throw to Allen on triple coverage that is on the money:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hfy4Lg1w-Q&t=5m54s
Also, given the mismatches of our receivers on their DBs, I’m less bothered by his decisions.
You know who throws into double coverage? Andrew Luck. Not saying AB = AL, but you can do it if you’re on the money. These kind of things seem “correctable” to me although, as noted, this is his 3rd season in the program.
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Maybe not light years, but his balls were always in the catchable vicinity of the receiver, which is way more than you can say for poor Maynard. He made some poor decisions on throws, yes, but his mechanics were far better.
CAN WE FIND A F@#$#@ING QUARTERBACK WHO CAN MAKE TYPICAL QUARTERBACK PLAYS!!!!!
I have no issue
with players missing Monday practice simply because it was a strange week with the Thursday game. And with that said, they had an entire week beforehand to prepare with the bye. I don’t think I’m going out on a limb to suggest that players attending their classes and missing one practice had absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the game.
Call me in the minority
Would you really be willing to take mediocre season after mediocre season for a 100% graduation rate, or would you rather take 9+ win season after 9+ win season and a 80% graduation rate?
But I think I’d take the mediocre season and 100% graduation rate.
by daveman on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
If you have to lower standards to get students admitted, then watch (generalizing here) them pick some of the easiest and unchallenging majors on campus, does a 100% graduation rate mean anything?
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As was pointed out, those majors are not there solely for the Foosball players. If you are going to cal out anyone for that, call out the Chancellor for allowing those majors to exist for the football players to chose.
I think the whole lowered standards thing is a bit overblown because once you are admitted you have to pass classes offered at Cal. If you think those classes are too easy, then they would be too easy for anyone admitted to Cal. In fact the Athletics graduation rate is better than the campus as a whole so why aren’t those supposedly smarter kids taking the “easy” classes as well and failing out? I think it’s much more complicated than you are making it out to be.
How about a 98% or 99% grad rate? If we were 100%, that would mean we had no top-level NFL prospects. You have to admit, if you are a top prospect your Junior year, you need to go out. You can always come back and finish later. What relevance to your football career is a B.A. in sociology? This reminds me of the college basketball argument that prospects need to go to college before playing in the NBA. Because why, reading Shakespeare improves your jump shot? Would you make a piano prodigy get a B.A. in psychology before he could tour professionally?
But, I agree that all others should be pressed to get their degrees, and am happy that Tedford is handling that aspect of the program well. There is always the issue of kids viewing themselves as NFL prospects when it isn’t true.
Neither do I, but we have to get away from Ben Braunitis. We’re not there yet, but we’re trending that way…
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Wrong, all wrong
Really this is where you’re going? I have issue with Tedford but any comparison to Ben Braun will only show how wrong this is.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
What I ask people when they say that Tedford can’t get us to a Rose Bowl and that we should get rid of him is “who would you replace him with?” No one has come up with a good, reasonable answer so far.
I think the most likely way to get us to a Rose Bowl outside of Tedford is some hot-shot Offensive Coordinator comes along and coaches us for a few years and uses the fact that he took Cal to a Rose Bowl as a resume builder for a better job at a BCS school where they take football more seriously or in the NFL.
Tedford is probably the best we could ask for. He is devoted to our university and (if you believe the media) has turned down more high profile jobs to stay with us. He buys into our culture and understands that academics are important here. He is a well respected guy in the coaching community.
I believe as long as Tedford is our head coach, followed by Ron Gould, and then by Tosh Lupoi, we will be a team that puts up pretty good seasons year after year. One of those years, one of our quarterbacks is going to pan out and USC and Oregon are going to be caught off guard and we will go to the Rose Bowl. I don’t know about you, but I’ll be there when it happens.
by Mallrat92204 on Oct 10, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the “who would you replace him with” is the wrong question, because I doubt anyone would have recognized Tedford as a viable candidate in 2002.
The more germane question is, let’s look at what’s happened to CAL when we’ve, for one reason or other, lost a successful coach. The record ain’t good on that one.
Further, at this point, Tedford simply does not deserve to get fired. He’s done too much and the results have been too good.
That being said, that could change. I am not a believer that he gets 1 or 2 years in new Memorial no matter what. You have to produce. If for some reason we went into the tank this year, then I would think it reasonable to assess, at that time, whether or not he is the person to take us forward.
Thankfully, I don’t anticipate that happening.
I dont think any discussion regarding firing Tedford will reasonbly occur within the Powers That Be until after the 2012 season, at the earlier. So, I wouldnt worry.
However, fi we are finishing up our 3rd losing season in a row after the 2012 season, then things might be different.
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Agreed.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Luckily, unless we fall into the crapper, we’ll be winning four of our next five games, so this will all be moot.
by Avinash Kunnath on Oct 10, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
So, you think we’ll lose to Oregon State?!??!
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I agree that Tedford is safe until 2012, truth is he could go winless this season in Pac12 play
and still be safe going into next season. He would be on the hot seat going into next season if that happened but he would not get fired after this season.
If after the 2012 season we have finished up our 3rd losing season under Tedford I can’t see him coming back for 2013.
I mean, I just find it so mind-boggling how football fans love to try and find the most complex answers to why their team isn’t winning when the single most important answer is right in front of them.
I think there’s a very simple explanation for this. The casual football fan frequently doesn’t have any idea how to recognize what type of play is being run, let alone diagnose how a play went wrong. For example, running plays are extremely hard to figure out what’s going on, (for me, requiring many rounds of replay before I gets the picture) — so it’s hard to say decisively what the execution error(s) was. Assuming you can recognize the inside zone from the outside zone from the power, you then have to pinpoint which missed block messed up the timing of the run, or forced the RB to a cutback, etc.
It’s just far easier to blame the QB’s performance or the coach for a poor playcall…
HydroTech
(1) Agreed, although it might help if the refs called the holding on the edges.
(2) Sadly, I agree. Maynard looked terrible in the second half.
(3) Yes, he was held a little bit… (very sneaky of the Ducks)
(4) Oregon is good, we knew this would be tough.
(5) True, but does he have a better option?
(6) I noticed this, interesting.
(7) Good points, but you’re right the game plan was to win, not exploit statistical analyzes.
(8) My Sarcasm meter broke reading this, what did it mean?
(9) Bridgford, light years better? Well I know what you mean, but that seems awfully strong. Yes, using the pocket, and always looking downfield are really good traits for a successful QB. After watching the spring practice, I was surprised that Tedford went with Maynard, Bridgford looked like the safer choice.
(10) Snap Notification. Saw this.
(11) Execution is key. Well no duh.
(12) Had the game gone better for Cal, no doubt we would have run more, I think we had more runs (as a percentage) in the first half.
(13) I hate hate hate this. It doesn’t matter how true this is, it comes off as an excuse. Think how we respond when some UCLA fans claims they lost a recruiting battle due to the fact that their academics are so much tougher that ours? Who cares? WE know who we are, to claim that we lost because Tedford cares more than Chippy does about academics is lame – I don’t believe it’s a zero sum game, you can do both at a high level, and if we can’t, it’s on the coaches for recruiting players that can’t do both.
I’m proud of our University, but I don’t walk out after a loss to whoregon or U$C claiming “we have more Noble Laureates than you, nah nah” That is just lame.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

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