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What Will Jim Harbaugh And Andrew Luck Do?

The latest obsession for Cal fans has nothing to do with the Golden Bears, but everything to do with their rivals on the Farm. Stanford Cardinal head coach Jim Harbaugh and quarterback Andrew Luck could both be leaving in a matter of days. You can check out any updates on Harbaugh and Luck over at SB Nation Bay Area, where there are dedicated threads to each individual (click here for Harbaugh, click here for Luck).

We discuss the future of Harbaugh and Luck after the jump. What are your thoughts on what Harbaugh and Luck will do, and how will it affect our Bears? Talk about it in the comments.

1. Three prevailing winds of thought concerning Harbaugh: Michigan, the 49ers, return to Stanford. Can't really see him doing anything else. What does everyone think?

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LeonPowe: ESPN has also mentioned Denver [Broncos], but Michigan or the Niners seem more obvious.

Kodiak: I think he'll interview with a bunch of NFL teams to maximize his exposure, nurture his ego, and drive the asking price up.  Then he'll go to Michigan where he'll either leave the program in shambles after shooting his mouth off, or resurrect it...then leave it in shambles when he ditches them for the NFL.

Berkelium97: I'm guessing he's gone.  For the past two years he has talked about how much he wants to stay at Stanford and how he's focused on everything Stanford-related.  In recent weeks he has grown quiet and at times somewhat hostile in his responses to questions about his departure.  I'm not sure if this is merely irritation at the bombardment of questions about his coaching future, but it is a bit suspicious that he has dropped the lines about staying at Stanford.

2. Two thoughts concerning Luck: Stay in school, or guarantee yourself the #1 pick?

LeonPowe: I really think he should leave - and that's not just my Cal homerism talking. If you're a top 5 pick in any sport you really should leave.

Kodiak:  A degree from stanfurd is worthless.  Unless your fancy bathroom runs out of toilet paper.  Leave now and get paid.

Berkelium97: Ask Jake Locker about returning for a senior season.  It doesn't take a Stanford education to figure out that he'd be much better off if he left this year as the #1 pick (especially with the probable reductions in future rookie salaries following the new collective bargaining agreement).


3. If Harbaugh and/or Luck return, are we doomed in Palo Alto next year?

LeonPowe:  Fuck no. 3/5ths of their offensive line is graduating. Also, fuck stanfurd.

Kodiak: No.  Anything can happen in a rivalry game even when you're facing a future NFL 1st Round QB.  Please give Mr. Elway a call if you'd like some clarification.  

Berkelium97: Not necessarily.  The lose some talent on O-line and lose two starters in their beloved Owen Marecic.  Everyone said we were doomed when we went down to Palo Alto in 2009 and that game turned out okay.

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Luck is gone if he is smart

The potential DIFFERENCE in money for the top pick the next two year (assuming there would be a rookie salary slotting system) is estimated to be $40-$60 million dollars. It would be insane for Luck to not turn pro.

by LEastCoastBears on Jan 5, 2011 4:17 AM PST reply actions  

This

If you are the presumed consensus #1 pick overall in any sport – and it’s tough to imagine Carolina is happy to just roll with Clausen – you have to take it.

Actually, same goes for Harbaugh. Ask Kirk Ferentz if he still regrets not taking one of those NFL deals six or seven years ago…

"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52

by VandyImport on Jan 5, 2011 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve heard Harbaugh—>Michigan is not going to happen, and that he’ll sign with the Niners within 48 h.

I’ve Harbaugh leaves Stanford, I think Luck will wait until late on the 14th to give Bowlsby a chance to bring in a replacement and will likely declare for the draft (Sanchez!).

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 5, 2011 6:39 AM PST reply actions  

Both Harbaugh and Luck would be absolutely stupid to stay. They’re not going to have a season better than this one next year. Why on earth wouldn’t you leave when your value is at its peak?

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jan 5, 2011 6:53 AM PST reply actions  

Dear Jim Har-baw,

Please take the Niner job, or the Michigan job, and get the hell out of stanfurd.

Sincerely,

secret ASian man

"it's like an alarm clock, WOOT WOOT!" -Bubb Rubb

by secret ASian man on Jan 5, 2011 6:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Personally, I don’t think I am obsessing over the Harblow & Derp situation (hey, now there’s the name of a Poconos comedy duet!). I have about as much interest in their little drama as I do over things bubbling at the Cal Extension regarding Norm Chow. Yes, I want to see what happens and am interested, but it doesn’t really affect me.

I figure regardless of what happens at Furd, Ucla, or anywhere else, things like getting our recruiting finished with a slew of sweet signed faxes (Moala FTW!) and securing a stud OL coach to complement the two recent hires are way more important. Cal controls Cal’s destiny. The other stuff is just television.

That being said, I see Harblow yanking the chains of every program out there then going back to Furd because his ego loves the fact that he is some weird god-king there. Col Kurtz got nothing on Harblow. Luck is gone. Love him or hate him he’s not stupid enough to say no to the money. Only a potential NFL stoppage would queer that deal. The punch line is that Harblow stays, Derp leaves, Furd drops to a .500 team next year, and all those lucrative coaching offers dry up fast.

Well, you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

by SoCal Oski on Jan 5, 2011 7:16 AM PST reply actions  

What’s the satisfaction of being weird god-king of a school with no fans?

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jan 5, 2011 7:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Cal controls Cal’s destiny.

Absolutely true. Let’s take care of things in Berkeley before we worry too much about Palo Alto.

by sec119 on Jan 5, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm all in favor of him staying

Jimbo’s record without Luck is below .500

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin
U feeling Loco?

by M. AGRIPPA on Jan 5, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with the consensus that the most rational thing to do, for both, is to leave now because their stock is never going to get higher. Now, either one might have “irrational” reasons for staying (remaining Palo Alto’s god-king and crown prince, making a run at the Heisman), but the smart money would seem to be on them leaving.

Like SoCal Oski, I’m more concerned with what’s going on in Berkeley, but I would most certainly like to see Luck leave; the Bears have already beaten him once, and I seriously doubt they’d be able to beat him again. As for Harbaugh, I’d actually rather have him stay. I don’t think he’s a better coach than Tedford (or Chip Kelley, or Mike Riley, or …) or that he’s building some sort of unbeatable juggernaut against whom Cal can’t compete. Instead, by making Stanford football relevant again, and by being something of a public douchebag, he’s been great for the rivalry. Never has it been more fun to hate the Cardinal.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Jan 5, 2011 7:39 AM PST reply actions  

Luck stays: the “college experience,” which lasts a lifetime, only comes once. Harbaugh is leaving, either to the Niners or Denver.

Why badmouth Stanford: they made the Pac 12 look good in the Orange Bowl!

by manus on Jan 5, 2011 8:07 AM PST reply actions  

Why badmouth Stanford

This is a Cal blog. Badmouthing the Trees comes naturally to Cal fans.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jan 5, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

It is not nice to see THAT West Coast

school doing well. A good ’furd is an abomination on every level.

by C98 on Jan 5, 2011 9:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This guy says the money is so good, Luck has to go pro:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-luckdecision010411

Buy since he over-rates the beauty of Palo Alto, maybe his analysis is similarly misguided.

Jason Hafemeister

by Jake88 on Jan 5, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

If Jim goes (and I think he is gone to the 49ers) then Luck goes…

If Jim stays (and I doubt it) then Luck stays….. Luck is tied to his hip…..hairball is the key

by Cal_Fan2 on Jan 5, 2011 8:33 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Does anyone else think the Harbaugh frenzy hasn’t matched the output? I mean, he’s had two great players, Toby and Andy, and a bunch of average to above average complimentary players. I don’t see him as the second coming, as his hype suggests. Sure he’s a good football coach, but I don’t, for example, see him making the niners hella good. I don’t really see his 2 and 3 TE/2 and 3 RB sets working out all that well in the pros.

I’d love to see how good the 2012 Harbaugh-led Cardinal. We’ve seen with Rodgers what it’s like when you’ve got a fantastic player at the quarterback position. We’ve also seen life after Rodgers…

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 5, 2011 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

There are two things that work well for Harbaugh

1. His vast coaching connections, which have allowed him to hire what essentially is an NFL staff at the Farm
2. Unlike Tedford’s 2004 team, which had a lot of Holmoe recruits mixed in with his guys, this is essentially Harbaugh’s team, and he recruited all the right guys. His talent evaluation is excellent.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 5, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

My guess is people are impressed that he’s been able to assemble a kick-ass coaching staff (former NFL QB with a brother as NFL Head Coach helps), forge an offensive identity (power/pro-style behind a beastly o-line), and give Stanfurd a national presence in recruiting, all whilst being the most entertaining animated-gif coach.

by heckyeah on Jan 5, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s popular for the same reason Tedford was in 2004: He turned an historically awful program into one of the best teams in the country.

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by norcalnick on Jan 5, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

The parallels between Harbaugh’s and Tedford’s results in the first few years at Stanford and Cal respectively are amazing.

1) Turn around a sad sack program from one of the worst in the country to mediocre in a year or two, then nationally relevant in 3-4 years.
2) Turnaround led by a special QB and a dominant power run game.
3) Decision time between staying to build the program or take any of a number of coaching jobs around the country.

It’s extra amazing (to me at least) because of how different their public personalities are. I think the difference in personalities will play into a different decision by Harbaugh (he’s going to leave) but it’d be fun to see if Harbaugh could prove himself to be part of that super elite group of great college coaches by sustaining success after Luck, rather than just good (which is where I see Tedford).

by jali on Jan 5, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I actually posted a comment at RoT that had a very similar point, and in that I mentioned that Tedford seemed (from interviews, etc) to be the kind of guy whose ego was best satisfied by building something at Cal and working with kids, while it seems Harblow’s ego is one that can be satisfied by constantly moving upwards and “achieving” things.

If that’s the case, he’s gone.

Well, you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

by SoCal Oski on Jan 6, 2011 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep yep. That’s the read I get too.

It’s looking like he’s about to get a lot of money to attempt to “achieve” things in the NFL.

by jali on Jan 6, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

chicks on campus

I’m glad I haven’t had lunch yet. I would have lost it on that comment.

by cal85 on Jan 5, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh out-coached Beamer in the Orange

Harbaugh consistently called the right plays against VT, both on offensive and defense; something he consistently did (with the exception at Oregon) during the regular season. Fortunately, for Stanford, they have great players at key positions that made his moves look easy. Once again, credit Harbaugh, for he and his staff recruited those key players. He will do well with the Niners, when the Niners get a decent QB.

 Hopefully, there is a Luck-type QB hiding on Cal’s roster, just waiting to manifest himself this Spring?

by manus on Jan 5, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

Wait, what?

Did I just click on the wrong blog? Did Avinash lose a bet?
Stanfurd Sux!

by bluehenbear on Jan 5, 2011 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

Now that Cable has been fired...

It seems like there could be up to four NFL teams interested in Harblow:

49ers
Broncos
Dolphins
Raiders

Is the consensus that Al Davis promotes Hue Jackson to head coach? I hear that Ross (Miami and big benefactor to UM) really wants Harblow in South Beach. I think the chances that Harblow stays at the Farm to coach in front of 30k+ crowds are next to nil. I also don’t think he’s going to UM — that ship sailed a long time ago. I expect Brady Hoke to be announced as UM’s coach by the end of the week.

Odds:
49ers – 50%
Broncos – 10%
Dolphins – 30%
Raiders – 10%
UM – 0%
Furd – 0%

by daveman on Jan 5, 2011 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

My predictions

Hairball goes to the NFL.

Luck stays another year, finishes his degree, gets a chance to lead his team again to another glorious year (which won’t be as gloarious), and finishes the college experience. His stock won’t be as high next year but he’ll still do well in the draft and make his millions in the NFL.

by freshfunk on Jan 5, 2011 10:57 AM PST reply actions  

Harby wants to go, but would be better off staying.
(The open jobs suck. And who else is going to build a whole stadium with a private 70K bathroom in one off-season.)

Luck wants to stay, but would be better of going.

by JoeCarr on Jan 5, 2011 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

Will the dominoes begin to fall soon?

Harby to meet with the 49ers today.

"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach

by Berkelium97 on Jan 5, 2011 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

It’d be hilarious if Harby goes to the Niners and forces Baalke to make a Herschel Walker trade with Carolina to draft Luck.

by daveman on Jan 5, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

My prediction

Harbaugh goes to the 49ers, coaches for 6 years, coaches another team for 2, does the net work deal for a year and accepts Sandy’s Barbour’s offier to coach the Cal Bears when Tedford decides to hang it up after a 2 National Championships for Cal.

by JSML on Jan 5, 2011 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

Works for me . . .

Haha.

CALIFORNIA ANGELS . . . ANAHEIM DUCKS . . . CALIFORNIA GOLDEN BEARS

F*** STANFURD.

by AndyHogan14 on Jan 6, 2011 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh god, no.

Well, you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

by SoCal Oski on Jan 6, 2011 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Talk about a deal with the devil.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Jan 6, 2011 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

he said, as a pig soared through the air a few hundred yards above his head…

It’s a nice place for people to go watch your stupid [2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants].

by Spazzy Mcgee on Jan 6, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

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