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Cal Secondary Roundtable: From Simmons To Ambrose

1. What do you think of Al Simmons getting axed?

Kodiak: I don't know what to make of it, honestly.  Considering that Jeff Tedford has previously retained assistants whose job performance was noticeably worse than Coach Simmons, I would speculate (repeat speculate) that it really was Coach Simmons' decision to go or perhaps there was some type of internal matter/personality conflict that we're never going to hear about.  From a performance standpoint, we had one year of good to great secondary play('08), one of poor to awful('09), and last year would have to be considered solid to decent.  A lot of the secondary play correlated to having experienced safeties/LB's as well as having a legitimate pass rush.  I thought that the development of Chris Conte at safety as well as getting inexperienced CB's (Marc Anthony/Steve Williams) to where they weren't lit up like a Xmas tree was a good job.  I suppose you could quibble that the DB's didn't cause a lot of turnovers...And you can point to crucial deep completions late in the games against AZ and UW as back-breakers.  However, both instances seemed like the WR's simply out-fought our guys for the ball.  Also, our pass rush was hit or miss throughout the year - mostly miss against the better teams.  Considering that the guys were generally in decent coverage, and played a lot more man (especially against spread teams), it's hard for me to complain. 

HydroTech: The timing of this suggests that this wasn't a "firing".  I'm inclined to believe that Simmons really did want to pursue other options.

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2. What do you think of Ashley Ambrose being the new guy?

Kodiak: From what I've read, several Buffs posters regret that he's gone.  He's young, shows signs of being a good recruiter, and did a nice job developing a strong secondary - despite injuries and the fact that the CU offense was so inept that the defense was on the field all the time.  I like the fact that he had a 14-year NFL career.  Besides providing plenty of street cred w/ his All-Pro year, being able to stick in the league that long suggests that he was savvy and technically sound enough to make up for declining speed/athleticism during his later years.  Now the jury's still out on whether he's good at teaching those skills, but the fact that he had to be a student of the game is a lot more promising than if he survived solely on being a superior athlete.  Too early to say, but it seems like a good hire on paper.

3. Were you surprised with how  much man coverage Cal ran this year with Darian Hagan, Marc Anthony and Steve Williams? Against teams like USC and Furd, it seemed like we could never defend anything, no matter how good the pass (on the flip side, we looked dominant in other games).

HydroTech: Nope.  We all presumed Pendergast was going to blitz a lot.  He did against some teams. And when he did, he usually played man coverage. This isn't surprising.  When you blitz, you want to tighten up that coverage so the QB can't get off quick blitz-beating passes, and jam the WRs to knock off their timing and routes.

Kodiak: Not all that surprised from a scheme stand point -  It makes sense to play tight man if you're going to be more aggressive with your pressure and blitz packages.  From a personnel standpoint, it was a bit surprising considering that Hagan was frequently nicked and coming off a down year while Anthony/Williams were both 1st-time starters.  Against 'sc and 'furd, I don't fault the CB's as much as I fault our lack to discover a game-changing pass-rusher.  Both 'sc and 'furd had the o-lines to pick up our various pressure packages and had QB/WR tandems talented enough to take advantage.  In both games, I wish we hadn't panicked and tried to overcompensate for our pass coverage breakdowns.  Our DB's were simply beaten by NFL-level passing attacks.  Hopefully, the combination of young blue-chip talent + veteran LB's + another year in Pendergast's system will find a way to generate a more consistent pass-rush.  I would expect that Anthony/Williams will be better w/ experience.  I am worried about the lack of depth behind them...especially since many Pac-10 teams like to spread things out.


4. Cal ran a lot of nickel packages on defense this year. Did you like the new wrinkle and how effective was it?

Kodiak:  Generally speaking, I liked it a lot because we never discovered an effective OLB to play opposite Kendricks.  Since Browner/Price were largely ineffective, might as well get some more speed/versatility on the field.  For the most part, it made us more effective against speed/spread/finesse teams.  However, it made us very vulnerable to power teams.  ('sc/furd)  Sigh.  Philosophically, I like the fact that Pendergast seems to adjust to the tools he has available to him instead of trying to plug n' play to a rigid system.  For next year, it will be a contest between the young safeties and the young LB's to see how much nickel we run.  I think the best players will see the field and if we have to alter our scheme, so be it.

HydroTech: I agree with Kodiak, above.  I liked the use of nickel because Cal didn't seem to have a fast and dominant 4th linebacker to stick with the 3-4 defense in passing situations.  I like the added speed and coverage abilities that a 5th defensive back brings to the table over a linebacker.


5. Cal got its best safety play since the DeCoud days from Chris Conte. Can Sean Cattouse lead this secondary the way Conte did?

Kodiak:  Tough call.  Cattouse lost a lot of time with his injury and then pressed a lot when he came back.  He's showed an ability to deliver the big hit, the instincts to be a ball-hawk, but also tends to play with a lack of discipline that exposes the defense to big plays.  If he can make that next step as a senior, he has all the tools to follow the lineage of DeCoud, Giordano/Gutierrez/, McClesky, Zomalt, Wilson, etc.  Hill might be very cerebral, but he needs to evolve to where his recognition/instincts can make up for his lack of top-end speed.  Both Moncrease and DJ Campbell showed some promise in limited time this year.

6. Next year Cal returns only THREE real cornerbacks--Anthony, Williams, and RS frosh Adrian Lee. Is corner coverage going to be our real weakness next year?

HydroTech: I think that Williams is going to be good.  Real good.  I think he'll be the type of corner that we can leave on an island.  If that's so, then we just have to worry about the other side of the field. Hopefully, Anthony and Lee (or whomever else may sprout up) is good enough to hold their own.  In all, I don't think the secondary will be particularly bad, but it probably won't be as good as the LBs or DL.

Kodiak: I think Anthony/Williams will be solid.  But the slot is a real issue as is the nickel/dime positions.  Hill or one of the other safeties will have to be ready to slide over...and none of them has shown any real ability to be consistently solid in coverage.  Relying on Lee is simply not a great idea.  See:  Thompson, Syd (Cal vs. Tenn)

7. Project next year's starters and/or depth chart.

Kodiak: Anthony/Williams at starting CB.

Cattouse/Hill starting safeties, backed up by C.J. Moncrease/D.J. Campbell/Avery Walls (!??!)

Lee = slot/Nickel back

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He certainly learned the offensive playbook, I don’t see why not. Keep in mind though we’ll have a bevy of defensive backs coming in who’ll compete for playing time as well. But Keenan is a five-star guy. I expect he could be is ready to contribute right away.

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by PlayClassyBears on Jan 26, 2011 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it’ll be more likely that we’ll see Walls at nickel than Allen. KA21 is too valuable on offense to sustain an injury on D.

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by solarise on Jan 26, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty sure simmons got fired

Erratic CB play…erratic S play…putting Conte in the wrong position…not a big recruiter…

…I thought I read that he is looking at a job with a football team in Montreal…

…Unless he really wanted to live in Canada…

by DavidsonBear on Jan 26, 2011 8:24 AM PST reply actions  

It’s my understanding Conte refused to play Safety and it wasn’t until there was a big need there and he was buried on the depth chart that he agreed to play. That started before Simmons got there, but I agree he should have been a safety the whole way—that’s how he played Nickel his Freshman year and as a result he was always out of position.

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by PlayClassyBears on Jan 26, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

first I heard of that…

I just feel like we can make excuses for the last few years, but in the end, someone has to take responsibility for our under performing DBs. ( ) are the excuses.

- Ezeff underperformed (grades, took classes during practice time)
- Cattouse not making the field, not starting much, although projected to be 1st round pick in 2012 draft (he injured his hammy in fall practice, took time to get back)
- Hagan’s erratic play (personal issues…don’t take my head off for this one, just trying to list all i can remember)
- 2010’s ever changing DB starters. Is it williams? marc anthony? nbufie? hill? cattouse? conte?
- Lack of DB recruiting is leaving the cupboard quite bare.
- Constantly being gashed deep. Front 7 is OK, back 4 is …. questionable.

by DavidsonBear on Jan 26, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I think your point is a fair one. And I agree that at some point there needs to be accountability and a backup plan. All of those elements were factors but for the most part I thought the secondary this last year actually handled those issues pretty well all things considered.

Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"

by PlayClassyBears on Jan 26, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Cattouse not making the field, not starting much, although projected to be 1st round pick in 2012 draft (he injured his hammy in fall practice, took time to get back)

Interesting. Mel Kiper or Todd McShay I presume?

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by solarise on Jan 26, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

College Football News

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1041584.HTML

Cattouse has always showed good ball-hawking ability. Some of his INT’s 2 years ago showed an ability to change direction, turn around and fly into the air for the ball. And then you all saw his hit on Eric Decker…

…this is why it confused me how he wasn’t able to get on the field last year…

…he surely has all the skills and tools…

by DavidsonBear on Jan 26, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Injury put him behind the ball and with the emergence of Conte and the trust Hill had, reps were limited for Cattouse. I think Cattouse oozes with potential but he needs to play at more consistent, high level if he’s doing to get taken early in the draft.

by Cali49a on Jan 26, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s my understanding Conte refused to play Safety and it wasn’t until there was a big need there and he was buried on the depth chart that he agreed to play.

Where do you get this stuff from?

Conte played CB as a true frosh because there was no depth there in 2007 and was the 3rd CB in the nickel package the next 2 years for similar reasons. The secondary was depleted of depth because of some bad recruiting by Williams and Littlejohn.

by Cali49a on Jan 26, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

No citation, but I thought I remember reading that Conte was promised the chance to play CB which is why he was playing there. He played a true frosh because of lack of depth, but it was the position he wanted to play (IIRC).

by jali on Jan 26, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You are saying something similar to me. However, Conte never refused to play the safety position like the original poster stated. I recall the premium on Conte when he was being recruited was his length, height, and range. CB was the position Cal recruited him for but ultimately, Conte would have played wherever he could get onto the field first.

by Cali49a on Jan 26, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

A note on the big pass plays at Arizona and against UW
And you can point to crucial deep completions late in the games against AZ and UW as back-breakers. However, both instances seemed like the WR’s simply out-fought our guys for the ball.

I just wanted to highlight this. Thank you for pointing out that the WR in both cases played great outside-inside technique on two poorly thrown balls. Both those balls were supposed to be to the outside and in both cases the WR made athletic plays that happened at crucial moments. That’s not on Simmons.

I’m sure those two passes were not the factors that contributed to his departure (no matter how much some people might disagree with me). There was plenty more that was right and wrong with our DB play this year, but without looking at that position snap after snap it’s a really difficult to evaluate (especially since the most important stuff happens off TV coverage).

Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"

by PlayClassyBears on Jan 26, 2011 8:26 AM PST reply actions  

One thing I never figured out

Why did we let stud WR threads get deep in one-on-one coverage at such a late and critical juncture of the game? Were we blitzing on these plays and it was just an unfortunate call? Would (ulp) some BBDB have been a better choice in these instances, giving Hagen some safety help in the middle that could have been the difference in these situations?

Of course, that would be on Pendergast, not Simmons, but it seems like if you put your corners on islands in these types of situations you have to either press them hard at the LOS or get to the QB quickly enough to make sure they don’t have time to air it out like that…

by abaddon on Jan 26, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

IIRC, on the AZ play, Foles had to avoid pressure to make that throw. I didn’t see the UW game, so I can’t say about that instance. I will add that I was very frustrated on the TD throw in AZ game that we blitzed and didn’t get much pressure on Foles and he easily found the open WR.

by cal85 on Jan 26, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, on the deep ball to Criner, we blitzed but didn’t get there in time. Last year, we would have rushed 3, dropped 8…gives the QB time, but you’d hope that their guys were blanketed. Unfortunately, our LB’s/S’s weren’t really good with their zones last year.

I don’t think there’s a right answer. Either defensive call can be very effective if the guys execute it well.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Jan 26, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

also, I believe Luck completed a fairly deep ball in between two Cal DB’s. Any pass is a gamble – you just hope your guys are in position to make a play on it.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 26, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

2. LOVE Ambrose. If he is telling the truth about his desire to recruit. Desire to be in the recruit’s home. Desire to show the recruit’s family who he is and that he will take care of their son…then…I am convinced. Although we have to see if he follows through. I am a sunshine pumper after all.

4. I like the nickel packages. It puts speed on the field. Against teams are expected to pass or in passing downs, I would like to see some of the 2-4-5 and 3-3-5 defense that Green Bay runs. This way you have the field covered and can blitz from different places.

5. This is Cattouse’s breakout year. He has the desire to lead and the NFL body. Just Ambrose coach him up and pencil him in as a starter. Actually, put it in ink.

6. Yes, CB is a definite concern.

7. Agree with that starting lineup. I was really high on moncrease when he signed 2 years ago. Has he ever played a real down? All I ever see him is on special teams. Can Ambrose work some magic? He has a linebackers body with safety speed. I am not optimistic about him making serious contributions in his final year. I am high on Walls though…(who isn’t)

by DavidsonBear on Jan 26, 2011 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

Wow, is it really Moncrease’s final year? :(

Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"

by PlayClassyBears on Jan 26, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

he had 6 tackles in 2009 and 12 in 2010.

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by PlayClassyBears on Jan 26, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Moncrease was an extremely valuable member on special teams last yr and made some huge hits on kickoffs/punts. Hard to break thru when Cattouse & Hill seem to have both starting safety spots secured.

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by solarise on Jan 26, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I just hope that his play on special teams translates over to play on Defense…

…Josh Hill is smart and cerebral, but Moncrease has better physical tools…

…it would be nice to combine the two…

…I think it would be a disappointment if Moncrease was just a very good special teams contributor when all is said and done in his 3 years…

by DavidsonBear on Jan 26, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on how the two-deeps play out. Against spread teams, we might shift Cattouse/Hill inside to the slot and bring in Moncrease to play safety.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Jan 26, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

It would be a disappointment. He’s a great kid and I want to see him on the field getting PT. He has had some trouble getting the system down and applying it on the field.

by Cali49a on Jan 26, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You forgot Moncrease’s contribution to Twitta! He’s real street!!!

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by solarise on Jan 26, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Plateau issue

My issue is that Dante Hughes was the last DB that really seemed to progress from year to year. Although Ezeff & Hagen had other reasons, it still baffled me that the guys who played well as FR & Sophs didn’t become monsters by their senior year. Cattouse seemed liked he was heading in that same direction – good 1st year, strong 2nd year, then eh after that. Syd may have been the exception because no one threw to his side during his senior year. Still, both Hughes & Deltha O’Neal managed to make huge plays during their senior years.

by cal85 on Jan 26, 2011 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

Fair points. Hagan and Cattouse certainly didn’t develop the way we had hoped. However, Conte exceeded expectations. And after years of seeing 1st-year starters get absolutely worked, I didn’t think that Anthony/Williams did so badly. Mixed bag. If Ambrose is as advertised, we’ll have a really solid starting tandem. I really hope we can close w/ some stud CB recruits to give us depth down the line, though.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Jan 26, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Cattouse will be the measurement of Ambrose’s skills. With Williams & Anthony, their progress could be attributed to experience.

by cal85 on Jan 26, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I seem to think the exact opposite

My feeling is Ambrose will be measured by the growth/development of the underclassmen rather than Cattouse’s senior year. Mainly because there is so little chance to really teach or influence a senior.

How the younger players develop, and whether they show continued improvement seems a much better indicator of Ambrose’s ability.

Of course, I could be wrong …

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by SoCal Oski on Jan 26, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I vote everyone improves :)

Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.

-TwistNHook

by turkey on Jan 26, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

The difference between he and Conte was that Cattouse tended to play with too much abandon, often finding himself way out of position, or trying too hard to make a spectacular hit (Luck). Conte, on the other hand, seemed to be more disciplined, and seemed to pick and choose when he’d free the beast.

That’s a great observation. I could not have said it better myself.

by Cali49a on Jan 26, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh. Sometimes I get it right.

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by SoCal Oski on Jan 26, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

On another note...

I think the coaching upheaval, the move to AT&T, the outstanding recruiting, all points to a refocused Jeff Tedford. He’s said before that he’s taken a look at all parts of his program, but I think he previously just nibbled at the edges. This reminds me of how he acted when he first got to Cal and immediately cleared the locker room of the stench from the Holmoe era. Even though we have apparent big needs, like running back and qb, I’m not worried about the running back situation. With Coach M coming back, I think a lot of our ground pounding line play will return. I doubt that we’ll sky rocket to a nine or ten game season, I’m not saying that, but a 7-5, 8-4 season is not out of the question. I think the move back to Memorial is when we’re set up for a big season. BTW, I think it’s time to change our unis. These unis are old in the tooth, and if you’re cleaning up everything, get rid of it all.

Lawrence Ross

by alpha1906 on Jan 26, 2011 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

I'm okay with the unis

But, when we move back to memorial, I’d like to see them use different generations of uniforms throughout the season – Joe Roth for the UCLA, 1982 w/100 year logo on the bear claw for the Big Game (& 30 year anniversary of The Play), and Craig Morton era with the big block C and rugby sleeves.

by cal85 on Jan 26, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, no way this will/would ever happen

Way too expensive to get a new set of jerseys for every game. With all the budget cuts, this is completely out of the question. Cool idea though—would be a classier version of NikeU

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by gogoldenbears on Jan 26, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty sure we don’t have to pay for those unis. Nike is our supplier and its up to the sports marketing rep to see if his or her budget can account for 3 sets

by LeonPowe on Jan 26, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Failure of the Offense

In all the comments about the DB’s and the defense as a whole, there is no discussion about how our inept offense contributed to the blow outs against USC and Stanford.

If you are a realist, the only way we were going to defeat these potent offenses was in a high scoring game. Our defense was not going hold either of these teams to less than 4 scores. It was up to our offense to put some points on the board and keep the game competative.

So when one discusses how bad our defense looked, it’s only relative to the final score. If we had put up 30 points against both USC and Stanford, maybe they would not have been able to both score 48 against us.

by fatoski on Jan 26, 2011 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

Which makes the fact that we led the Pac-10 in defense all the more impressive.

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by tedfordfan on Jan 26, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the fact that he had a 14-year NFL career. Besides providing plenty of street cred w/ his All-Pro year, being able to stick in the league that long suggests that he was savvy and technically sound enough to make up for declining speed/athleticism during his later years.

Interesting point. Definitely not something I thought of.

by Missing Barry on Jan 27, 2011 8:50 AM PST reply actions  

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