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Before Thursday night I was trying to make an argument in my head for why Cal might upset Stanford. Most of it revolved around how the Cardinal have struggled on the road, with two losses and two other relatively close wins in 5 games away from Maples Pavilion.

And then Stanford beat UConn. Badly. It wasn’t even very close.

I suppose you could make some kind of argument that Stanford is due for a let down after the high of beating UConn. Maybe there’s some credence to that, though personally I’d like to think that Stanford respects Cal enough that they wouldn’t lose focus like that. But the bottom line is that once again Stanford is one of a handful of teams that can realistically expect to be playing for a national title in March, and Cal isn’t there yet. A win in Haas would be monumental.

But in the face of long odds we pioneer onwards! And with that goal in mind CGB turned to the foremost experts on Stanford hoops: Rule of Tree and C&R's Stanford Women's College Basketball.  After the jump you will find their answers to CGB's questions and if you visit them you will find my answers on what to expect from our Golden Bears.

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Jeanette Pohen has always been a good player, but after averaging about 10 points per game over the last two years, she's suddenly averaging over 15 per game and shooting around 45% from 3.  Is this just an isolated hot streak, or has her game taken a big step forward?

C&R: That is a good question. A great question. My what a handsome question… Any questions? Next question.
No, we were modeling a cartoon TV show’s smarmy politician to avoid answering that question because… we don’t know either. After the UConn game, you can say the new and improved Jeanette Pohlen is here to stay, with her career 31 points and her determined game face. She wants a championship, and has improved her game. But can she sustain it? Only time will tell. However, stats don’t lie (although you CAN manipulate the heck out of them) and she is averaging 17 points a game, which does show some consistency. C and R hope if it is a hot streak., it lasts until the championship game.

Rule of Tree: Pohlen has really taken a step forward as a senior and sets the tone for Stanford’s gritty and physical style. She’s running the offense well and looking for her shot on the perimeter more often, which was evident in Thursday’s win against UConn. The first of Pohlen’s five three-pointers gave the Cardinal a 3-0 lead it wouldn’t relinquish and Pohlen finished with a career-high 31 points. Pohlen’s confidence is higher than ever and I think she’s grown comfortable with her role as a leader on a relatively young team. I don’t think she’ll shoot 46% from three-point range all season, but I think the points will continue to pile up.

2. Chiney Ogwumike: talk about her strengths and weaknesses 11 games into her career.

Rule of Tree: Nneka’s younger sister boasts all sorts of offensive talent and has been very efficient as a freshman. She’s making 57% of her shots and averaging more than 10 points and six rebounds in 23 minutes per game. Her free throw shooting (63%) and assist-to-turnover ratio (8-to-14) leave areas for improvement. Some of Ogwumike's biggest contributions this season have come on the defensive end. Against the Huskies, she embraced the challenge of chasing Maya Moore all over the court and helped limit the UConn star to 14 points.

C&R: C and R, in particular C, had such high, high hopes riding on Chiney. She thought for sure she would lead the world in scoring by now! In retrospect, perhaps they were unrealistic. Her sister did not have a break out year until her sophomore year, and Chiney is about where Nneka was her freshmen year. It is a big adjustment to the college game. We saw her play in the SF summer league before she got any Tara tutelage, and she was still playing as a high school player, the best athlete on the floor which could let her gamble on defense and usually recover quickly. In man-to-man coverage in the games we saw, she often left her man and went for the steal. She would often miss, probably a new experience, and the other players with college experience found her wide-open man. We thought that was a weakness and coach Tara VanDerveer would "beat it out of her". Lo and behold, to our surprise, Tara took Chiney’s weakness and turned it into a strength and unveiled a new 1-3-1 defense, with Chiney on the point. Her job was to run around like crazy chasing the ball and use her long arms and leaping ability and go for a steal. If she missed, then there were 4 Stanford veterans behind her to make sure it did not result in a basket. Did we mention we think Tara is a genius? Weaknesses, how many games has Chiney fouled out of? UConn was no exception. She has to corral that instinct to reach out and touch someone. We think her biggest contribution to a disciplined Stanford team though, is her ability to create her own shot. Once Tara gave her sister Nneka the green light her sophomore year, even moving out established senior post Jayne Appel to give her room to create, she flourished. We believe next year Tara will do the same for Chiney and she will be incredible on offense.
PS sometimes big sis Nneka looks for Chiney and forces the ball to her inside where it is stolen, just trying to be all nice and sisterly and everything.

3. A 20 point loss to DePaul was shocking to see, particularly that Stanford allowed DePaul to go for 91 points.  But they bounced back by routing Xavier.  Was DePaul a fluke?  How much did missing Kayla Pedersen impact things?

C&R: Geez, you ask good questions! If you strictly compare the DePaul game to Xavier and UConn, you can easily vote fluke. But in context, having one player go down, in this case Kayla Pedersen being out of the DePaul game and not 100% for Tennessee, Stafnord is just not the same team emotionally. She is their security blanket because she can rebound on both ends of the floor, make a big defensive stop, create a shot or handle the ball. Last year when teams pressed us because our guards were suspect on ball handling and were running for their lives in the back court, if they got a pass into Kayla’s hands, no matter where Stanford was on the court, you could see them visibly relax. Oh good, Kayla has the ball, we’re okay. That is a huge dependency to take away. And we didn’t count on the team feeling the same way about Jeanette this year. When she fouled out of the Tennessee game early in overtime, the team just deflated. So we rely on one or two people, much like UConn relies on Maya Moore. If you can stop or limit a team, any team’s "security" you have a shot in beating them (Witness the UConn victory).

Rule of Tree: I think the DePaul game was a wakeup call more than it was a fluke. Stanford definitely missed Pedersen’s veteran presence as things started to unravel early in the second half and the defensive effort was lacking. The Blue Demons shot 60% from the field and 50% from beyond the arc, while Stanford committed 18 turnovers. Perhaps the Cardinal was looking ahead to Tennessee.

4. How has Stanford been coping with the losses of Jayne Appel and Rosalyn Gold-Onwude, paticularly from a defensive perspective?

Rule of Tree: With the exception of the DePaul game, Stanford has played well defensively and is outrebounding opponents by a healthy margin. Chiney Ogwumike has helped fill Gold-Onwude’s defensive presence, while 6-foot-5 redshirt sophomore Sarah Boothe and 6-foot-3 sophomore Joslyn Tinkle have combined to fill the void left by Appel. Boothe leads the team with 11 blocks.

C&R: Well, we were going to say it’s hard to replace PAC-10 defender of the year in losing Ros Gold-Onwude, but after the Uconn game, our defense is juuuuuuust fine. What that says is Tara has great defensive schemes, teaches the fundamentals well, and can tailor a game plan to any individual team like no body’s business. And smaller Nneka was on tall tall Xavier’s post players, and gave up about 3-6 inches, yet her quickness allowed her to play deny defense and her leaping ability took away the back door pass. Tinkle (Jayne Appel’s doppelganger) also looked really good in her defense at the UConn game.

Ed Note: This questions was asked prior to Stanford holding the returning national player of the year to 5-15 shooting on the year.  Sigh.

5. Predictions for Sunday?

Rule of Tree: I think Stanford will come out a little flat, hung over not from any New Year’s Eve festivities but the incredible high that Thursday’s win gainst UConn provided. Pohlen and Nneka Ogwumike should be able to settle things down and Stanford’s depth will eventually prove too much for the Golden Bears. I predict a comfortable Cardinal victory.

C&R: Oh, let’s not spoil our friendship with a little thing like picking sides, now shall we?

However, a different question would be who will win the rebounding battle? We are picking the Stanford Trees.

Thanks to both blogs for helping us out!  Comment away and Go Bears!

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Looks like it would take a ‘Furd over UConn type of upset (something that is not impossible but still quite shocking) for the Bears to pull this one off. This is generally one of the few women’s basketball games that I watch in an year…I’ll try to keep my expectation low.

by LEastCoastBears on Jan 2, 2011 12:10 PM PST reply actions  

At Haas, in rather primo seats thanks to Paleodan and Calnet

Crowd isn’t as heavy on Stanford fans as I feared considering the momentum they are carrying into today’s game.

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by norcalnick on Jan 2, 2011 12:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

How full is Haas? Hard to see up in the upper sections on TV.

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by CalBandGreat on Jan 2, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

All the lower sections are more or less full, but the upper levels are sparse

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by norcalnick on Jan 2, 2011 12:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

no link?

I thought we would have channelsurfing for this…oh well, I got some work that need to get done before the Men’s game

by LEastCoastBears on Jan 2, 2011 12:37 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks, BM. You’re awesome.

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by Kodiak on Jan 2, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks a lot again. I guess work can wait.

by LEastCoastBears on Jan 2, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Go Bears!

Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.

by CalBandGreat on Jan 2, 2011 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

My daughter’s inexpert analysis: The Bears aren’t winning, but they have pony-tails just as nice as the red team.

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by Kodiak on Jan 2, 2011 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

That steal was nice, too.

Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.

by CalBandGreat on Jan 2, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Eliza’s energy. She’s not backing down.

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by Kodiak on Jan 2, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Is she the women team’s Jorge?

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by CalBandGreat on Jan 2, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems to be.

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by Kodiak on Jan 2, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

#2 in the nation in steals per game

So yeah

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by norcalnick on Jan 2, 2011 1:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Dayamn! Nice.

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by CalBandGreat on Jan 2, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we match up really poorly with stanfordthis year. They have so much height at every position and we don’t. Could be a long afternoon.

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by norcalnick on Jan 2, 2011 12:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Eliza Pierre doing about as well as she can

With what is probably her toughest defensive assigment of the year – Pohlen, who has 5 inches on her but doesn’t give up much speed

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by norcalnick on Jan 2, 2011 12:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

So just how far away are we from being a national powerhouse. Are we waiting for the fabulous recruit class to develop more (I guess their junior and senior seasons) or do we need another top recruit or two (more length inside or outside shooting)?

by LEastCoastBears on Jan 2, 2011 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

Probably a year away

Need experience and more than that we need to get healthy

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by norcalnick on Jan 2, 2011 1:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Easily my least fav. Aspect of Women's bball

Refs look for any excuse to call travelling.

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by norcalnick on Jan 2, 2011 1:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Pretty amazing the Bears have kept it close. Seems like furd keeps getting easy baskets while our points are all coming from contested jumpers.

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by Kodiak on Jan 2, 2011 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

You jinxed it.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 2, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa.

I go up to put the kids down for their nap…come back and it’s like the gates of hell opened up on us.

Whoops. My bad.

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by Kodiak on Jan 2, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

37-18 stanford

I think the half ended on a 13-0 run. When the one strength we most depend on (rebounding) is taken away things get ugly.

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by norcalnick on Jan 2, 2011 1:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Find myself watching this and the Packers-Bears game

Go Bears! The Golden one not the Chicago one…wants to see Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs.

by LEastCoastBears on Jan 2, 2011 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

I think Coach Boyle is using the 2nd half as a ‘welcome to the PAC-10’ game for the freshmen. Afure and Mikayla have both had some nice moments.

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by norcalnick on Jan 2, 2011 2:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I just got home from the game. All I can say is: OUCH! But at least I got to chat with norcalnick, and that is always a plus.

How ya gonna keep 'em down on the Farm, after they've seen Berkeley?

by CalBear81 on Jan 2, 2011 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

Reading Boyle's quotes

Seems like she needs/wants to light a fire under their bottoms. I was glad to see her play the newbies (and Mooch). We had some chances, but never seemed to finish under the bucket and were out rebounded badly….

I didn’t expect a win, but I was hoping for better offensive execution from the Bears. Our open court D actually was pretty good but boy does our offense need a retooling.

by BBallgrrrl on Jan 2, 2011 7:22 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, wow, she really lit into them. Hopefully a week at home and less talented competition (though still solid) in the Arizona schools can set them up for a rebound performance.

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by norcalnick on Jan 2, 2011 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I expect the rest of Pac 10

to be a dog fight (save for the Pacific Northwest Schools who should end up near the bottom).
I think UCLA isn’t all they are rated to be (most recent game against UW a good example) They are really inconsistent in their play and I think will lose a few. I see Cal competing with them, USC, ASU and Arizona for pack below Stanford…..on any given day any of those teams can beat one another.

by BBallgrrrl on Jan 2, 2011 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

Why do I watch?

I’ve watched 3 games this year and Cal women have lost all 3.
Eliza has GOT to develop a shot. I see her stats are 3 of 7, so that’s not really a bad %. But by her not shooting and demanding a defender step up on her allows the other team to sag off and just clog the paint, which causes shooting % for the ENTIRE team to drop significantly.

It’s like playing 4 vs. 5. I would rather put Lyles in there and have her fire away from the outside. At least, even if she’s missing, she’s forcing the other team’s 5th defender to step out of the paint, which would allow Stallworth to have more room to work with inside.

Eliza is who she is – meaning, if she’s not confident in her shot, then she’s not. I blame Boyle for allowing this situation to occur.

I realize this is a first blush, knee-jerk reaction, but that’s what comes to mind at this point in time. Gotta get the handicapped pt guard outta there. Or force her to become a better shooter. I realize Pohlen would destroy Lyles at the other end. But it’s sickening to watch Pierre’s defender sag 8 feet into the paint.

Also, Clarendon creates half her shot opportunities with wildness – some of which actually go in, FTW! But 3 of 15 ain’t gonna cut it. I’m stunned to see she is shooting 40% from the floor, 41.4% from 3 point land. WOW! The games I’ve seen have been full of misses.

With Brandon and Cohen out, we are hurting. Of course, it would be nice to have Rogers out there as well!

Maybe if I don’t watch again, they will play better without me.

by concordtom on Jan 3, 2011 8:24 AM PST reply actions  

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