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Cal Defensive Line Discussion: How Invaluable Is Tosh Lupoi?

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1. Tosh Lupoi has now developed two first-round caliber draft picks in Tyson Alualu and Cameron Jordan. Is he the most indispensable member of our staff?

LeonPowe: I think moreso due to the recruiting prowness rather than the d-line coaching. We've been lucky enough to have talent development at all levels - especially looking at Ron Gould (RB) - but the recruiting. . . the players we're starting to bring in are very very exciting.


(Me, I still think its Gould)

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Kodiak:  Why you gotta hat the Rope Guy like that?  There are only two assistant coaches on staff that would make me really upset if they left - Tosh and Gould. 

solarise: Give the man a raise!

2. How much of a dropoff will there be at
defensive line with Jordan and Derrick Hill both departing? There wasn't that much of a dropoff with Alualu departing, but losing two starters will be tough, especially with no obvious talented players behind them to immediately make up the difference.

Kodiak: I think we'll have to resign ourselves to a pretty big drop unless we see a lot of improvement from some of the returners.  Guyton showed flashes, and Coleman really looks like a player.  Owusu had one decent game and then was largely invisible.  There was a significant drop at NT when Payne or Aaron Tipoti replaced Hill.  I suspect that one or both of them might have been nicked up.  At one point, we had to put Costanzo in and he's 4th on the depth chart. 

solarise:  I think our D-Line will be alright. DeAndre Coleman has outright looked unstoppable at times. Trevor Guyton developed nicely by the end of the season. Gabe King should be a threat to start after blueshirting. Toss
Ernest Owusu in there we should have enough competition to keep Coach P happy @ both DE spots.

NT is a more of a concern. Kendrick Payne beat out Derrick Hill to start the season but Hill came back and was
much stronger. I'm guessing Payne had lingering injury issues that limited his effectiveness. Viliami Moala, if he signs Feb 2, could see immediate playing time and remedy our NT dilemma.  That and academics would be my sales pitch to Tiny.

3. Should Cal consider shifting back and forth between four and three defensive linemen, since we have a lot of defensive line talent to go along with our linebackers? This past season showed that despite the strength of our front three, there wasn't enough beef up front to move the most physical offensive lines like USC, Nevada, the Furd, and Oregon State.

Kodiak:  I thought someone said that it's hard to switch fronts week to week because the gap responsibilities for the linemen change.  Maybe you could get away with it if you had a group of senior linemen, or extra time to prepare.  (bowl prep, bye week)  I also don't think that we're deep enough at NT to do it consistently.  We have some talented depth at DE, but we could use more beef in the middle to anchor the line.  Because that position gets hammered every play, I think we'd need to keep rotating guys.  That might change if there's enough young talent at DE to shift Coleman inside, or if Keni Kaufusi can come back from his shoulder injury.

solarise:  I think the answer is a resounding YES since Coach P doesn't seem to be a real sticker to the 3-4. If it's necessary for us to go 5 down linemen, I'm sure Coach P will make that call.

4. Project next year's defensive line depth chart (or at the very least, the starters)

Kodiak: Coleman, Payne, Guyton backed up by King, Tipoti, Owusu.

solarise:  I'll go w/ Coleman, Moala, King. F$&@ you JuJu.

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A master of motivation

by neodarksaver on Jan 18, 2011 6:44 AM PST reply actions  

Tosh: Great or Greatest Ever?

Regardless of whether Tosh is better, at par with, or just below Gould and Rope Guy, there’s no real need to split hairs. If a flood came Tedford had better prioritize those three (well, maybe Rope Guy could be spared) over everything else.

Safe to say, I have a feeling Tedford realizes how important Tosh is to the team and will do whatever he possibly can to keep him around.

Well, you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

by SoCal Oski on Jan 18, 2011 7:24 AM PST reply actions  

Wow. Newish ILB, DB’s, and D-line to go with a new TB, QB, RT, and a mildly successful TE and FB.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 18, 2011 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

When Pendergast leaves

you think Tosh will be given a chance at DC?

I know he’s young, but I would love to see an in-house promotion. The players seem to really love him.

by Another Failed Tedford QB on Jan 18, 2011 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

I think Tosh is definitely next line for DC

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jan 18, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Next promotion for Tosh: Defensive Coordinator in waiting!

by Missing Barry on Jan 18, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Cal’s next Head Coach?

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jan 18, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t have all the stats for this one…

…but is that even a plausible promotion?

We all love Tosh and we understand that he is a great (greatest?) recruiter and has done wonderful things with our DL. However, how confident are you guys in his ability to coordinate a complete defense against 12 different teams (and offenses) a year?

by DavidsonBear on Jan 18, 2011 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

Not too confident at all actually

I just have a sick feeling in my stomach that tells me if we don’t promote him soon, he’ll be gone.

by Another Failed Tedford QB on Jan 18, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Who knows, but I don’t see any indication why he couldn’t. He’s a smart guy and he’s learning from some good people.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jan 18, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

"Should Cal consider shifting back and forth between four and three defensive linemen, since we have a lot of defensive line talent to go along with our linebackers?"

Hybrid 3-4 defenses are actually really complicated even for a lot of NFL teams. I’d rather we stick to something a little simpler that we know we can dominate other teams with.

by mrjpark on Jan 18, 2011 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

But the alternative is to stick with the 3-4, but have some 4DL packages in place. This really shouldn’t be significantly more complex than going to nickel or dime or even bringing one of the LBs in as an acting lineman, and could maximize our DL advantage. Someone like King or Scarlett would likely be a good fit for that, since they could also drop back into LB as a means of decoy.

Just a thought

Well, you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

by SoCal Oski on Jan 18, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

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