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Avinash: How do people feel about this compromise plan, courtesy of Brian Cook:

MGOBLOG PLAYOFF PLAN: Six teams, no autobids, byes to the top two teams. No more than two teams per conference, and those teams can't play each other in the first round. Home games until the final, one the week after the championship games, one on January 1st, final at the Rose Bowl January 8th, leave bowl system alone.

 

This preserves almost all of the urgency of regular season and guarantees that the champion is also the team with the best season-long resume since five of the top six lose and anyone not 1 or 2 wades through three elite opponents, staking an undeniable claim.

This year's hypothetical bracket:

1. Oregon vs winner of 3. TCU / 6. Ohio State
2. Auburn vs winner of 4. Wisconsin / 5. Stanford

If Auburn had lost to Alabama they would probably have fallen to fifth (ballparking it) and gone from a first round bye and January 1 home game to a first round game in Madison or Palo Alto—a freaking huge deal. Losing one game boots Boise and Michigan State, and two is fatal for everyone. Since the current system frequently sees one-loss teams into the championship game it's difficult to argue this system cheapens the regular season.

Berkelium97: I assume this means no more BCS bowls, so the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, and Orange bowls are all gone?

It seems like an adequate way to determine the national champion, but I'd rather have the traditional BCS bowls.

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Avinash: I wouldn't presume the bowls just disappear--the Orange, Sugar, Fiesta and Rose all have longstanding traditions. They'd just be relegated to the status of the rest of the bowls like the Cotton, the Capital One and the Holiday. So I'd say the bowl system becomes our NIT (with Orange/Fiesta/Sugar/Rose having the plum matchups while we eliminate several of the extraneous bowls) and the playoff becomes our NCAA tournament, for the lack of a better analogy.

Berkelium97: It seems like it would reduce the prestige of those bowls, since the best teams would be playing in the tournament.

Avinash: The prestige of most of these bowls is pretty much diminished ever since the BCS National Championship game was instituted. Until then, most of the bowls (Cotton, Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange) all had some meaning.

Now it's only one game and two teams, and in most seasons you could make the case that teams like TCU (or TCU/Boise last year) deserve their shot to prove themselves as well.


Also, billionaire Mark Cuban's throwing his hat in the ring to try and reform the BCS process. Not exactly sure how much of a chance this has, but Cuban does have money, so you'd figure he'd have influence (as a playoff proponent, I'm rooting like hell for him to make traction). Here's his preliminary proposal.

Cuban said he has talked to two athletic directors from BCS conferences who were extremely enthusiastic about the idea. He intends to contact several school presidents and state senators in the coming weeks to determine whether the idea is worth pursuing.

Cuban said he envisions either a 12- or 16-team playoff field with the higher seeds getting homefield advantage. The homefield advantage, Cuban said, would ensure the college football regular-season games would not lose any importance.

The bowl games could still exist under Cuban's plan, but he said he would make it more profitable for programs to make the playoffs than a bowl.

"Put $500 million in the bank and go to all the schools and pay them money as an option," Cuban said. "Say, 'Look, I'm going to give you X amount every five years. In exchange, you say if you're picked for the playoff system, you'll go.' "

One way to push school presidents toward approving the idea would be to lobby major donors of college athletic programs, Cuban said. He suggested convincing the donors to cut off their donations until their presidents approved a playoff system.

Cuban, who is reading the book "Death to the BCS," said he thinks it would take about three or four years of planning before enacting the playoff system. He believes it's a better business opportunity than owning a baseball team, and he admits he's intrigued by the idea of revolutionizing a major sport.

"It's an inefficient business where there's obviously a better way of doing it," Cuban said. "The only thing that's kept them from doing it is a lack of capital, which I can deal with.

I think 12 teams is probably the maximum (four teams get first round byes?). If I understand it correctly, the losers would still end up in bowl games--that is the further in the process you lose, the better bowl you get.

So we'd end up with.

8 teams (my preference)

First round
1 vs 8
2 vs 7
3 vs 6
4 vs 5

Semifinals
highest vs lowest
middle two teams

Finals: Title game at neutral site


Lowest ranked teams that lost in the quarterfinals: Fiesta Bowl
Highest ranked teams that lost in the quarterfinals: Sugar Bowl
Semifinals losers (Third place game): Rose Bowl (another possibility is they rotate sites and teams get picked based on conference affiliation)



12 teams (most likely of Cuban's preferences to gain traction)
1, 2, 3, 4 first round byes

First round
5 vs 12
6 vs 11
7 vs 10
8 vs 9

Second round
1 vs lowest seed
2 vs second lowest seed
3 vs third lowest seed
4 vs fourth lowest seed

Semifinals
highest seed vs lowest seed
middle seeds

Consolation bowls
First round losers: Cotton and Fiesta Bowl
Second round losers: Sugar and Orange
"Third place game": Rose

Finals: Title game at neutral site


What do you guys think about all of this?

Kodiak: As a college football fan, it's intriguing and I think it could be a fun system.  Cuban is right in that the only way to get the ball rolling is to appeal to greed.  I doubt that any major donors will be willing to cut off their school, however.  There's too much of an attitude of "I gotta get mine."  He probably has a better chance of lobbying the major television networks and getting them to lean on the school and conference officials.  An eight team playoff may be too ambitious to start, however.  The "And One" system where you keep the major BCS bowls and have the two winners play one more game seems more feasible to my admittedly completely-ignorant thinking.

As a Cal fan, it makes it more difficult for us to reach the Rose Bowl, so I object!  I gotta get mine.  Give me my Rose Bowl so I can see Joe Kapp pounding tequila and legions of Cal fans young and old alike can go frolicking down the streets of Pasadena.

norcalnick: Am I the only Cal fan that doesn't necessarily care a great deal about the Rose Bowl itself?  I mean, I'd love to watch Cal play there, but for me the goal is winning the Pac-10, and the Rose Bowl is kinda incidental to that goal.  It's a great prize, but ultimately winning the conference is a prize in and of itself.

Avinash: Nick, while I agree whole-heartedly with your statement, I think you're going to find yourself on a deserted island for trying to be rational in the face of an irrational cause.

Poll
What type of playoff system should be implemented for college football?
BCS (leave it as is)
24 votes
Plus-one (four teams compete)
36 votes
The Cook plan (six teams compete)
16 votes
Eight team tournament
37 votes
The Cuban plan (12 to 16 teams)
45 votes
Other
13 votes

171 votes | Poll has closed

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I’ve been advocating—mostly to myself—for a long time for something like the Cuban plan. You need at least 12 teams to ensure that every conference champion gets a shot, and just to make it more interesting to watch. After all, what is the most interesting weekend of the NFL season? This one, when 8 teams are still alive.

And I’m glad Cuban recognizes that a tournament does not eliminate the bowls nor does it need to awkwardly include them. The bowls can return to being what they always were: exhibition games that give us something to do between Christmas and New Years Day.

My only change to Cuban’s plan would be to get rid of the slotting of defeated teams (e.g., first-round losers the Fiesta Bowl.) That would make the bowls seem too much like consolation games, which they obviously are and would be. Instead, return to the old conference-champion slots (e.g., Rose Bowl pitting Big 10 vs. Pac 10). By the time bowl season rolls around, the schedule could easily be arranged to have all but the Championship game played, meaning only the two finalists wouldn’t be available to play in their slotted bowl.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Jan 15, 2011 7:32 AM PST reply actions  

Cal-Pete, I can not agree. In fact in think any “playoff” would be a disaster for College Football as we know it. College Football is special, different from all other sports (or at least any that I am aware of). The lack of a “playoff” means that every single game (if your team is in the hunt) is vital, a must win. What we have now is analogous to the post season of the NFL, except that it lasts for 13- 14 weeks.

I see these comments all the time and for the life of me, I just don’t understand them. This has nothing to do with Cal Football per se, but College Football as a whole. Any “playoff” would ruin the bite, the tension that every single game has now. Think back on the Cal-Oregon game. What made that so electric? Because we could have defeated #1 and ruined their season. Oh yes, a win would have been nice, it is every time, but that isn’t what made that game feel (and it was) like a playoff game.

And all you haters of the BCS, never has College Football been so popular, so central to the zeitgeist of sports culture since the introduction of the BCS. Be careful what you wish for. That said I voted for the plus 1 option, if all the bowls were played on Jan 1 (or right around then) then a week later we could have a “Championship” game. That wouldn’t f-things up too much, and maybe these silly arguments would disappear.

Oh wait, who am I fooling, these arguments will be here as long as we don’t have a 64 team playoff like B-ball

With all Respect, Cugel

Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

by Cugel on Jan 15, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems to me that all the bowls have already lost some of their prestige ever since the BCS was instituted. The Rose Bowl had none of the meaning to me this year with Wisconsin and TCU playing. It was just another bowl.

I originally voted for the Cuban plan, but after reading the post, I’m changing it to MGOBLOG plan.

Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.

by CalBandGreat on Jan 15, 2011 7:36 AM PST reply actions  

A couple of thoughts.

Ideally, the playoff system is the best for deciding a national champ. No argument. But the headaches it brings (ranking, seedings) will be similar to the headaches the current BCS system has. The only way to eliminate the headaches would be to either only invite conference champs, or to extend the playoff calendar to several games. Neither seems very likely.

CalBandGreat is correct that the BCS has eroded the prestige of the existing bowls. Despite it being a thrilling game, seeing Texas in the RB with either Michgan or $C was an abomination – and not just because they are Texas. Seeing any team other than Big10 / Pac10 is an abomination. I couldn’t watch TCU in it. Maybe a great game, but just not a Rose Bowl in the traditional sense. Maybe it’s my age. But if there are other conferences allowed in, it’s simply not the Rose Bowl, no matter how good a matchup or game it is.

MGOBLOG’s plan is nice, but the big bowls will never buy into it. They already hate that their importance is diluted, and just won’t accept being a playoff bracket.

Which kinda leads back to my first thought. Since the entire BCS ranking system is very suspect, and the only way to remove that is by instituting a longer playoff system, let’s just chuck the whole National Champ game, and go back to traditional bowls that meant something. And, while we’re at it, get rid of all the low, pointless bowls so the post season does actually mean something. If there are only a dozen or so bowl games, only the best teams will go making them more desirable. Sure, it means no national champ game, and we’d go back to the 80’s when voters decided who was best, but that really isn’t worse than now, since voters now decide who is best anyway.

Well, you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

by SoCal Oski on Jan 15, 2011 8:07 AM PST reply actions  

KEEP THE ROSE BOWL

I don’t care what they do with any National Championship situation.
So long as the winner of the Pac10 goes to Pasadena and marches in the Rose Parade on January 1st !!!!!!!!!!

by concordtom on Jan 15, 2011 9:02 AM PST reply actions  

I have to make my usual pitch here...

…conference champions don’t deserve automatic bids. There were literally twenty teams better than UConn this year. If you have three wins, you’re not national championship material. I would endorse the six-team model as long as it wasn’t tied to conference winners, and I have almost reached a point where I would reluctantly embrace eight – but once you get down to the #9 team in the country, they can’t plausibly argue that they deserve to be in the national title picture…

"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52

by VandyImport on Jan 15, 2011 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

I personally like the 16 team plan. I don’t think it’s the ‘fairest’ way to choose a national champion, but I also believe that there isn’t a truly ‘fair’ way to do it, so this way at least every conference has a chance and it will maximize entertainment value and revenue.

Suffice to say I’m not a purist.

The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS

by norcalnick on Jan 15, 2011 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

Also, I really really don’t care about the bowls or their locations, but we’ll have more on that later. TEASE!

The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS

by norcalnick on Jan 15, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t really like any playoff scenario. Even if the National Championship turns into a playoff, keep the Rose Bowl as Pac-10 champ vs. BIg-10 champ. To make the Rose Bowl into a lame game in the playoff scheme would be to strip it even more of its history. It seems like people blame the BCS for making it all about money and stripping the bowls of their history, yet they also support a playoff system which in my opinion would just make it worse.

by CaliforniaPaul on Jan 15, 2011 10:54 AM PST reply actions  

Well, I dunno. I don’t see why we couldn’t have a playoff system with 8 teams, say, which included the the 6 BCS conference champions and 2 at-larges, which may be from BCS conferences or may be champs from other conferences which crack the top 10 or something like that.

And then you could assign bowl games to conferences and at-larges, and it would look something like:

Rose Bowl: Pac-12 vs. Big 10welve
Fiesta Bowl: At-large vs. At-large
Orange Bowl: Big East vs. ACC
Sugar Bowl: Big 12en vs. SEC

All of these games would have to take place by January 1st. Then, once these games are decided, you’d have 4 winners, and… let’s elevate a couple more bowls to “premier” status:

By, January 8th or so, you’d have:

Cotton Bowl: 1 vs. 4
Holiday Bowl: 2 vs. 3

And by January 15th, you’d have

Championship game at rotating site: Cotton Bowl winner vs. Holiday Bowl winner

Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Wisconsin
Fiesta Bowl: TCU vs. Stanfurd (highest ranked non-conference winner)
Orange Bowl: UConn vs. Va Tech
Sugar Bowl: Oklahoma vs. Auburn

Those would all have been fantastic games, I think. Assuming Oregon, TCU, Va Tech, and Auburn won, then the next games would have been Auburn vs. TCU at the Cotton Bowl, and Oregon vs. Va Tech at the Holiday Bowl.

Yeah, the Holiday Bowl would have to be moved back into the new year, so maybe the name would be weird, but you get the point.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jan 15, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm. I think you just sold me on this whole playoff scheme!

by CaliforniaPaul on Jan 15, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this is the best approach.

I think the shortcomings are:

- season goes too long.
- still have to deal with weak conference champs.

But I don’t have solutions to this and still think this approach is better than the others. Second best: a plus one game after the January 1 bowls, but only if necessary – like this year (two undefeated teams).

Jason Hafemeister

by Jake88 on Jan 15, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, but it’s only a few days longer than the current situation, where the title game was on January 10th. That seems like a pretty small tradeoff to make.

Secondly, yeah we have to deal with weak conference champs, but this way for traditional powers, you can say, “Hey, you can’t complain, you should have won your conference”, and there are still a couple of at-large bids in case there are other deserving teams that are independent or from a smaller conference. Anyway, when the frame of reference is the current situation, the solution doesn’t have to be perfect, it just has to be better.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jan 15, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I still think the best sell to the Bowls is to make the BCS bowls first round games (keep the selection procedure), make the second round games at the higher seed BCS games (e.g. if Rose produced a No. 2 and Fiesta a No. 4, 2nd round at Rose for that semifinal game), and then a rotating national championship. Extends season by 1 week. BCS bowls get their $ with the possibility of an extra $ game. Rotating national championship. Everything else stays intact.

by iVinshe on Jan 15, 2011 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, that’s pretty much how I laid it out. Agreement!

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jan 15, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I know it’s heresy, but I really don’t care all that much about who the “National Champion” is or how that is determined. I care about Cal getting to the Rose Bowl. I oppose any system that makes it harder for Cal to get to the Rose Bowl or which diminishes the significance of the Rose Bowl.

How ya gonna keep 'em down on the Farm, after they've seen Berkeley?

by CalBear81 on Jan 15, 2011 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

But isn’t that a result of the BCS system? The Rose Bowl doesn’t actually mean anything. At this point, I would kill to have Cal go the Rose Bowl. But that doesn’t change the fact that the current system is a travesty and a disgrace to the world of college sports. Now ‘this’ might be considered heresy, but I wouldn’t really care if Cal didn’t go to a Rose Bowl if it meant we could go into a playoffs and possibly win their way to a REAL national championship game.

by mrjpark on Jan 15, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It is the result of the BCS system, so I don’t like the BCS. Playoffs would make it even worse.

How ya gonna keep 'em down on the Farm, after they've seen Berkeley?

by CalBear81 on Jan 15, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Not if the Rose Bowl = Pac 12 champ vs. Big 10welve champ.

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jan 15, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

So… you only want a Rose Bowl for Cal and don’t care for a post season whatsoever?

by mrjpark on Jan 16, 2011 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a feeling the moment Cal fans get their Rose Bowl, they will hop in line behind a playoff very very quickly.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Jan 16, 2011 2:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Not me. I’ve never understood all the screaming about playoffs. It’s always been a huge yawn for me. But the moment Cal gets into a Rose Bowl, I’ll let you know if it changes my opinion. Assuming I’m still alive by then.

How ya gonna keep 'em down on the Farm, after they've seen Berkeley?

by CalBear81 on Jan 16, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm for a 16 seed play off.

Every Conference gets a bid. I know the Sun Belt and MAC will get 15 and 16 but thats pretty much like a bye week for 1 and 2 seed. What I’m sick of is like Boise and Nevada lose one close game and then suddenly were out of the rankings with no hope of a BCS game. And if like Auburn loses they only drop a few spots in the polls and they still have a chance for a BCS birth. If its a 8 seed playoff is the MWC champ going to get snubbed out of the playoff?

by WolfpackNev on Jan 15, 2011 10:53 PM PST reply actions  

100-team, double-elimination tourney

by Monica's Dad on Jan 15, 2011 11:47 PM PST reply actions  

Har har

California Golden Bears: 2nd place is nothing to sneeze at!

by atomsareenough on Jan 16, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

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