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CGB Top 25 - Week 2

Hey, the preseason is over!  We've finally got some real games under our belt, meaning we can end our Blogpoll practice of wild, almost baseless speculation!

Well, sorta.  Week 1 gives us some data points, but we're still left with a bunch of huge holes.  Utah looked pretty good in outlasting Pitt on Thursday night, but will either team end the year in the Top 25?  I have no idea.

Anyway, here's this weeks wild, almost baseless speculation:

For those of you who like your balloting reasons justified, some justification follows after the jump.  And for those of you who have opinions of your own, go here to vote for the CGB Top 25.

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Anyway, some justification:

Berkelium97: My ballot is a combination of power ranking and carryover from the preseason ballot.  If a team defeated a solid opponent, it moved up in the rankings.  If it lost to a good opponent, it wasn't penalized too heavily.  If it defeated a low-level opponent, I tried to avoid moving it up in the rankings.  If it was a disappointment against a lowly opponent, it dropped several spots.  Oklahoma and USC were both heavily penalized for their thoroughly unimpressive wins.  I'd provide more insight into the ballot if I knew about more of these teams.  After only one week, choosing positions throughout the ballot is still pretty random.

Norcalnick: I tried to reward teams that played and beat somebody with a pulse, hence the three most impressive wins of the weekend are 1, 2 and 3 in my poll.  I also didn't want to overly punish Pitt and Virginia Tech for losing tough openers, so they hung on, but barely.  Teams like Michigan and South Carolina who probably aren't great still get a spot at the bottom because convincingly beating UConn and Southern Miss is more impressive than blowing out South Northwest St.

Ordering all of the teams that are probably good enough to be ranked but beat lower tier FBS teams or worse was a random, haphazard task that will be reevaluated and thrown out as soon as real data is available.

ragnarok: Wait, you didn't vote for LSU at all?  What happened?  Did you forget about them?

Norcalnick: I was already low on LSU - I initially ranked them in the 20s.  And perhaps I'm punishing them too harshly for how they looked in a win, but what I saw while watching the game was a team playing in a semi-home environment that deserved to lose to a team missing 13 players, including 6 (or was it 7?) starters from the side of the ball that earned them their pre-season ranking.  If LSU can't beat a team crippled by their own (alleged) NCAA malfeasance then I doubt they are one of the best 25 teams in the country. This decision is probably in direct opposition to my stated goal of rewarding teams to play a non-conference opponent with a pulse.  But then again, fear of the NCAA put UNC on life support and LSU still almost lost.

ragnarok: I turned in a deliberately wacky ballot, one that specifically avoided ranking any team that didn't play a Division I-A opponent.  Harsh?  Unfair?  Perhaps.  But as far as I'm concerned, it's a win that means nothing.  At least when Top 10 teams beat down lowly I-A foes such as San Jose State (Alabama), New Mexico (Oregon) or Marshall (Ohio State), the opposing team is allowed the same number of scholarships as the home favorite.

I also tried to avoid rewarding laundry, although then you get into the sticky situation of trying to reward teams for good wins, and then you have to make a judgement call about which wins are "good", and you end up rewarding laundry just the same, just one level removed.

As far as I'm concerned, Boise State, TCU and Utah put up the best wins of the weekend.  Will they stay in the Top 3 going forward?  Almost certainly not.  But to vote anyone above Boise State right now, who went into a clearly hostile environment and beat a good Virginia Tech team, you'd have to take into account previous years' results.  Yes, defending champion Alabama is certainly very good, but I couldn't get read on how good in their beatdown of the San Jose State Spartans.

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I would've put TCU over Boise

Their victory over Oregon State was pretty decisive (controlling the line of scrimmage, dominating on both offense and defense, and would’ve won bigger if not for a few Dalton picks), whereas Va Tech stumbled all over themselves throughout the game and handed the Broncos the road win.

I guess the big issue is whether you consider Boise playing on the road and winning a back-and-forth a better win than TCU dominating a probably-will-finish-the-season-in-the-top 25 Beaver team in a home game.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 7, 2010 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Boise on the road > TCU at home
Virginia Tech > Oregon State

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by BeastMode on Sep 7, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a close call to me because I felt TCU dominated their game and Boise needed some stupidity by Va Tech to pull it off.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 7, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don’t think TCU dominated enough to overcome the above factors. And, I don’t think the Boise win was flukey. They went out and won it. They hit first and they hit last.

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by BeastMode on Sep 7, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

TCU certainly bottled up Oregon State’s running game, but despite that and OSU starting a new QB, the Beavers were in that game until the very end.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 7, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d say the botched snap/safety by Oregon State was pretty stupid as well. But I’m with BeastMode in thinking that Boise State winning on the road under the circumstances were more impressive than what TCU was able to do.

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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, how did USC move up after their game?

by Ursa Major on Sep 7, 2010 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I understand moving Florida down thus causing SC to move up. But, Miami?

It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.

by BeastMode on Sep 7, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably had something to do with me not voting for Miami at all because they don’t yet have a win over I-A competition.

I can’t speak for the other CGB voters, but I didn’t even look at my preseason ballot before submitting one for this week, so some of the deltas may be a bit wonky. USC moving up might be one of those.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 7, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can respect that.

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by BeastMode on Sep 7, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dropped them to 20th!

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by Berkelium97 on Sep 7, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I lowered them on my ballot as well.

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by norcalnick on Sep 7, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

ALL RIGHT

WHO ARE THE FUCKERS WHO VOTED FRESNECK STATE AHEAD OF CAL?!

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by Thoroughbred on Sep 7, 2010 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Meanwhile

Black Heart Gold Pants has us at 11.

The Unbalanced Line has us at 12.

Tilting at Windmills has us at 20.

Cheerio to these chaps and not to our Traitorthusiasts.

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by Thoroughbred on Sep 7, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey! Wrong!

I’m a Traitortariat!

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by norcalnick on Sep 7, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do believe Black Heart Gold Pants very deliberately uses MOV, or something else based on number of points scored.

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by katster on Sep 7, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Iowa blog is more like to use MOO.

I’ll be here all week folks.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 7, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t me! I had Cal at 20.

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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

My guess is Ragnarok.

It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.

by BeastMode on Sep 7, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

That bastard.

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by Thoroughbred on Sep 7, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. Didn’t vote for Cal at all, due to I-AA competition.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Sep 7, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m so mad I could wring your neck!

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by Thoroughbred on Sep 7, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have a blogpoll ballot this year (thank goodness)

But I personally wouldn’t rank Cal unless we start the season 4-0.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 7, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well, you suck.

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by Thoroughbred on Sep 7, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flagged. Personal attack.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 7, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t vote for either team. I’ll considering voting for Cal if we notch a solid win over Colorado. Fresno’s weak schedule isn’t going to earn them much future consideration unless they beat Boise St

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by Berkelium97 on Sep 7, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm, on 2nd thought I should have considered Fresno. But I didn’t vote for either.

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by norcalnick on Sep 7, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, you don’t want us to win the Coulter/KOS award, do you?

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by norcalnick on Sep 7, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I put cal #1

i don’t really care about the rest.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Sep 7, 2010 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

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