DBD 9.7.10 Yet another reason to visit delightful Ohio
by TwistNHook on Sep 7, 2010 7:45 AM PDT
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But now there is another reason to go. The Twins Day Festival at Twinsville, OH!
The world’s largest annual gathering of twins takes place in Twinsburg, Ohio, where the Twins Days Festival began as a one-day Bicentennial event in 1976. Every year, twins, triplets, and other multiples from around the country travel with their families to the northern Ohio town—named for identical twin brothers from Connecticut—to compete, celebrate, and socialize. Now in its 35th year, the event has become for many a family tradition—and yet another reason to enjoy being a twin
Are the Ohio Wonder Twins going to go? Only time will tell. Or they will. One of the two.
BERKELEY - On Sunday, Sept. 12, the second Jog For Jill 5K event, sponsored by the Bonnie J. Addario Lung Cancer Foundation (BJALCF), will take place at Golden Gate Park at 4 p.m. The event is in honor of the late Jill Costello, a former coxswain on the California women's crew who passed away from lung cancer on June 24. Cal student-athletes, staff, friends and family are encouraged to join "Team Jill." Nearly all 27 Golden Bear teams will have representation at the event.
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Mens Soccer wins tourney:
NOTRE DAME, Ind. – David Bingham made nine saves in California’s 0-0 tie with No. 18 Notre Dame, propelling the Golden Bears to the title of the adidas/IU Credit Union Classic on Sunday night at Alumni Stadium. The Golden Bears won the Indiana tournament by virtue of their result against the Irish and Cal’s 2-1 two-overtime win over the Hoosiers on Sept. 3. After the first two games of the 2010 season, Cal has a 2-0 record, while Notre Dame stands at 0-1-1.
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Womens Soccer crushes Hawaii:
BERKELEY – The No. 21/19 California women’s soccer team gave Hawaii a taste of the Golden State with an 8-1 victory over the Rainbow Wahine on Sunday afternoon. Senior forward Alex Morgan netted a hat trick, bringing her weekend total to five goals.
The Golden Bears, who also got goals from Lauren Battung, Katie Benz, Katie Suits, Mekenna DeBack and Kate Bennett, now stand at 3-0-2 overall while Hawaii is 2-4-0.
Cal outshot Hawaii, 21-9, bolstered by a 13-shot second half. The match concluded this weekend’s Cal Invitational, which saw the Bears be the only team to finish at a perfect 2-0.
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Football hosts Colorado:
CalBears.com: Visit CalBears.com for complete coverage of Cal football, including a live play-by-play update via Gametracker.
Cal Coaches Corner: Head coach Jeff Tedford and preseason All-American linebacker Mike Mohamed will join host Todd McKim for the weekly Cal Coaches Corner radio show broadcast live from the Paragon at the Claremont Hotel Club and Spa on Monday, Sept. 6 (6-7:00 p.m. PT).
Cal Sports Report: Host Todd McKim and reporter Francesca Weems will bring viewers the latest in Cal Athletics each week on the Cal Sports Report airing on CSN California each Wednesday at 5:00 p.m. PT unless pre-empted by a live sports event and replayed several times each week.
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Coaches Corner tongiht a6t 6 PM:
BERKELEY – Monday’s Cal Coaches Corner, which airs from 6-7 p.m. on KNEW Radio (910 AM), features four guests from Cal Athletics – football coach Jeff Tedford, men’s swimming coach David Durden, women’s rowing coach Dave O’Neill and senior linebacker Mike Mohamed.
Tedford, whose Bears are coming of a 52-3 season-opening victory over UC Davis, will review the game and preview Saturday’s contest against Colorado with host Todd McKim and guest co-host Roxy Bernstein. Fans can submit questions for Tedford by logging onto CalBears.com/fanquestion.
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Mens Water Polo crushes Santa Clara:
The No. 1-ranked California men’s water polo team scored on its first possession with senior captain Brian Dudley netting a goal with 7:30 in the first period and never looked back, topping No. 13 Santa Clara, 14-5, Sunday (Sept. 5) at Spieker Aquatics Complex. The Golden Bears were led by junior Cory Nasoff’s three goals and two goals apiece from senior Zach White, junior college transfer Matt Golden (West Valley College) and freshman Matt Bergeson to improve to 2-0 on the year.
Cal was also paced by freshman Giacomo Cupido’s five steals and four assists from junior standout Ivan Rackov. Rackov and Cupido also scored goals for the Bears, along with juniors Charlie Steffens and Luka Saponjic, the give Cal 14 goals for the second time in its first two matches. The Bears had defeated UC Davis, 14-4, on Saturday.
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Yet another reason to visit Ohio
Doesn’t that imply there is already a reason to visit Ohio? False.
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Reason the first
It’s faster to get to Michigan, Illinois, etc., via Ohio than to go via Canada. So if driving through counts as a visit, there’s a first reason.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
But then you’d have to drive though…. Ohio.
by atomsareenough on Sep 9, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The falsity runs deeper than that.
DBD 9.7.10 Yet another reason to visit delightful Ohio
“Delightful”? That’s a more problematic word usage than “another.”
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Who wouldn’t enjoy the sight, when driving on the Turnpike, of the rolling hills of southeastern Ohio dying away into the epic flatness that is northern part of the state? Delightful.
Or horrifying. One of those.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
I think he meant “super-awesome” instead of “delightful.” Because it is clearly more super-awesome than delightful.
Costs STILL assessed against Twist
by CALumbus Bear on Sep 7, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
SAHPC Appeals Court Ruling is handed down (Caution big PDf!). Quick quick summary CAL DOMINATES!. Somewhat longer summary:
On appeal, appellants contend the Regents violated two statutes in certifying the EIR and approving the Athlete Center: the Alquist-Priolo Earthquake Fault Zoning Act (Alquist-Priolo Act), Public Resources Code, section 2621 et seq., and the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), Public Resources Code, section 21000 et seq.3
For reasons soon explained, we conclude the Regents complied with both statutes in certifying the EIR and approving the Athlete Center project. Specifically, we conclude that, while the Athlete Center is subject to the Alquist-Priolo Act based on its proposed location within an earthquake fault zone, the Regents could properly find the Athlete Center will not be an “addition” or “alteration” to the University‘s California Memorial Stadium (Stadium), as defined by the statute, and thus is not subject to the statute‘s value restriction on certain projects coming within those definitions. We further conclude the Regents acted in accordance with CEQA in certifying the EIR because it contains sufficient information regarding the projects‘ likely environmental impacts, as well as feasible alternatives to or mitigation measures for those projects to avoid or minimize the identified impacts. Accordingly, we affirm the judgment.
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You know it...you tell the story...
You tell the whole damn world the California Court of Appeal, First Appellate District, Dvision Three IS BEAR TERRITORY!
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I’m reading it as we speak. I’ll do a post on it if you want.
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As beat Ms, could they pass the slumping Rangers???
Stranger things have happened, folks. And with two more games against a team that can’t score? Hope has crept back into the picture.
Look, I was one of those guys who had conceded this race as a non-race a long time ago. Well, I’ve changed my mind. And no Pam, it’s not the Jack and Coke talking.
Exactly 25 games left and seven to make up. Yeah, it’s a long shot. No need to have majored in magic numbers to figure that one out. But whatever.
Coco Crisp jumped on the second pitch of the bottom of the first for a home run to give the A’s a 1-0 lead. Two batters later it was 2-love (obligatory tennis reference) after Daric Barton tripled and scored on a ground ball out by Kurt Suzuki.
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If the A’s pull this off I’ll eat my hat.
And celebrate.
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by CalBandGreat on Sep 7, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
If the A’s pull this off, I’ll eat all of our hats!
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Including all the mesh ones?
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers lose to Padres (will Giants fans rec this or flag this?):
The Dodgers provided just the right medicine for the Padres’ ills, as San Diego ended a 10-game losing streak with a 4-2 win in the opener of a three-game series at Petco Park. For the first time since May 12, the Dodgers are at the .500 mark on the season, at 69-69.
The last three Dodgers series, all series losses, began with a win, only to see the Dodgers lose the next two games. So, perhaps the Dodgers have found a new formula for series success.
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by TwistNHook on Sep 7, 2010 7:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The Padres weren’t playing the dodgers last night, they were playing the NotPadres. And the NotPadres failed.
I've been Honked...
Giants win:
The Giants probably shouldn’t have won this game. They won because Madison Bumgarner was fantastic, Andres Torres is one of the better center fielders in the league, the middle of the order guys were able to put together some two-out hits, and the bullpen was dominant. That sure reads like the recap of a team that should have won the game, but the Giants probably shouldn’t have won. They made Ian Kennedy look like vintage Greg Maddux, and they blew a runner-on-third, one-out chance late in the game. It was ugly.
Heck, they even had a guy get picked off at first when he came in to pinch-run. I’m not sure who it was, but I think that’s the last we’ll see of that guy. Did I mention that the Giants probably shouldn’t have won that game?
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by TwistNHook on Sep 7, 2010 7:57 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
NinersNation spends an inordinate amount of time discussing the 3rd string QB:
Yesterday, the 49ers released third string quarterback Nate Davis. They then went ahead and signed free agent quarterback Troy Smith to a one-year contract. It’s a pretty straightforward trade-off, I think. The question is, are we better off after this trade? With Troy Smith under contract, are we better off than we were with Nate Davis under contract. It’s a simple question, but answering it might be a little bit harder than it seems, and if anything, pretty circumstantial.
Troy Smith is a known commodity in the NFL. Sure, he can probably show more and get a little bit better than he is, and I see the 49ers system being well-suited for him, but it’s not out of the question to say that he’s reached his ceiling. I think we can say that where he is at now is far above that of Nate Davis, but is it high enough to surpass the potential of Davis?
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Too much time
Their fascination with 3rd-string QB’s is kind of creepy.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
May be warranted when the first and second string QBs are Alex Smith and David Carr.
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
This is true
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Silver and Black Pride looks at the Titans:
There is less travel, they are matched up with the supposedly weak NFC West, and it lacks any crazy road trips or short weeks that feature defending super bowl champs.
All that being said, they got dealt a bum hand for the opener. While the Titans aren’t favorites to win the Super Bowl this year, they are 40-1, they are one of the last opponents I would want the Raiders to play in Week One for a grab bag assortment of reasons.
So, reach in and grab one…. And the winner is: The Atonement Factor
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CougCenter discusses the OkState game:
We’ve talked a lot about the game and the coaching staff in the wake of Saturday’s game, but we haven’t said much about improvement. Has this team improved and is it heading in the right track?
Jo-Jo got me thinking about that question and more with a comment he left yesterday. I should’ve been more clear in my last paragraph. He’s right. This team is bad and we knew it was going to be a poor team coming into the season. There’s still a very large gap between WSU and the rest of the Pac-10. That was on full display Saturday.
But how bad is the team? That’s a question I just can’t answer yet. Deciding that after one game is falling into the trap of extrapolating a small sample. We got whipped. That doesn’t mean we’ll get whipped every game this year. How they come back from this in the next few games will say a lot.
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UWDawgPound tries to move on from tough BYU loss:
wrote the Monday Morning Wash column yesterday morning and when I clicked to publish it just disappeared. I think a lot of folks out there wish the posts that they wrote during and after the game on Saturday did the same thing.
After a few days to reflect on Washington’s loss to BYU I came to the conclusion that I agree with Steve Sarkisian…this loss will not define the season.
Washington lost this game because of special teams mistakes which kept the offense bottled up for most of the first half. The field position took Washington out of its game plan but the Huskies still led the game at the half and if they could have scored at least one time in the second half they would have won the game.
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After a few days to reflect on Washington’s loss to BYU I came to the conclusion that I agree with Steve Sarkisian…this loss will not define the season.
It took “a few days” to reach this conclusion? Wow, congratulations on the ability to maintain perspective.
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BuildingtheDam discusses TCU:
Quarterback
If you only looked at the stats and did not see any of Saturday’s game, you would conclude that the reason Oregon State lost was because of Ryan Katz. But despite completing only 9 of 25 passes, Ryan kept the Beavers in the game with a number of clutch throws. There were a couple of problems (mainly over throwing on deep passes) but overall I thought he did great for his first start. There is no doubt that he will win some games for us this year.
The only other player to throw a pass on Saturday was Punter Johnny Hekker. After his tight spiral to receiver Jordan Poyer, it made me wonder why we aren’t faking punts more often. That could be a serious weapon come later in the season.
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Reggie Bush to lose Heisman????
The Heisman Trophy Trust is expected to strip former University of Southern California star running back Reggie Bush of college football’s top honor by the end of September, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Bush would become the first player in the 75-year history of the award to have the trophy taken away. The NCAA found major violations in the Trojans’ football program in June and levied serious sanctions against the school.
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Fine.
There’s no question he was ineligible in 2005. He won that because he was used as the feature back, deliberately so for Heisman purposes. If Pete Carroll had used LenDale White as frequently as he did Bush, White would have been Heisman material… except of course he’s surly and less media-friendly.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Heisman Trophy Trust should have some balls and let him keep it. The NCAA is a farce, their rules are stupid, and there’s no real reason the Heisman has to take stupid rules into account.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
While I can understand your underlying point, that cheap bastard, for wont of $300k or following NCAA rules, destroyed one of the best runs of form that USC is likely to have in the next 20 years or more. He probably doesn’t care because no-one in New Orleans does, but that was a lot of work down the pan.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Pete Carroll and the entire USC braintrust decided to destroy one of the best runs of form that USC is likely to have in the ext 20 yars or more when they decided to cheat to obtain that run of form.
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Oh, there was a committee organized that came up with the grand scheme and then almost succeeding in executing it? Were they taking their cues from the Masons or the Tri-Lateral Commission?
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Why are those questions when they should be declarative statements
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I’m trying to keep the whole thing shrouded in mystery.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Yes, trying to make it seem like a wild conspiracy theory that Reggie Bush acted in concert with other members of USC in cheating. It’s not a wild conspiracy theory.
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BAN THIS APE.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 7, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps this is the time to tell you that I have in fact been admitted to the Hit Squad.
At least, that’s what they told me would be the result of the beating in.
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Only three laterals? WEAK. Even we can do better than that …
Had NCAA rules that prevent players from receiving their monetary market value not been in place, it wouldn’t have been a problem. You’re angry at Reggie Bush, you should be angry at the system.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
While I am convinced that the entire setup of FBS football is a sad sick farce, the rules are a reasonably fixed variable. My irritation for this specific instance, in rank order, is at Bush, USC’s athletic department, and the NCAA.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
It’s more than just the FBS football rules that bother me, it’s the entire premise of denying income generating athletes the chance to get a fair share of it, and forcing them to take scholarships (which I believe they have to pay back if they leave school without graduating) instead, while also disallowing all supplemental income they could have generated through endorsements, for instance (while the same NCAA and schools take endorsement money for themselves)…..
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
How it’s legal is beyond me, but then again, I don’t know anything about anything when it comes to law….
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
And it’s under this whole premise why I can understand an athlete who wants to take benefits that are against the rules. The rules are screwing them. Without the rules in place that are screwing them, there’s no issue. On a morality scale, I don’t see it as any different than taking the same benefits as a professional athlete, which I don’t think anyone would have any objection to….
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Who is forcing them to take a scholarship? They got a gun to their head now?
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The point is they’re “paid” in the form of a scholarship rather than money – which is how every other American expects to be paid….? Legally, how does it differ from indentured servitude, if at all?
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Aren’t people forced into indentured servitude to pay off debts? That seems different to me than a person who is choosing to follow a specific career at his own behest.
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I believe many indentured servitudes were entered into voluntarily. Like Party A chooses to immigrate from one country to another, with the help of Party B. In return, Party A becomes an indentured servant of Party B’s, working off the debt while Party B supplies them with the necesseties for life, for an agreed on period of time….
I will say the indentured servitude comment was a little more than what I was really going for. My real objections would be that they don’t have the option to be paid in money (rather than a scholarship), and that they aren’t allowed to pursue other avenues they’d be paid for.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The point is they’re "paid" in the form of a scholarship rather than money – which is how every other American expects to be paid….?
This presupposes that the relationship between student-athlete and university is in the nature of an employment relationship. It isn’t. It’s contractual, if anything: the student-athlete plays football for the university in exchange for the scholarship (which has considerable value).
Your point is well taken at some level. Whether the university/NCAA provide “enough” qualitatively (or even quantitatively) for the student-athlete is a debatable point. But college athletics isn’t “involuntary servitude” in any legal sense.
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What’s the distinction between a contractual and employment relationship? Like if I were to offer my services to the local McDonald’s in exchange for hamburgers worth $3 an hour, what qualifies that as an employment relationship, and what’s different between that and the NCAA stuff?
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Good question and it was my fault for not being clear. I really shouldn’t have tried to distinguish categorically between “employment relationship” and contract because, as a technical matter, all employment relationships are essentially contractual.
I think the difference has everything to do with the setting — i.e., an educational institution. The student athlete is no more of an “employee” than any other student who is enrolled in classes at the school. So when a football player, for instance, is devoting substantial time to football related activities, it is no different in the legal sense than a student spending hours on end in the lab, studio, or whatever.
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Ok, appreciate the follow up. For me it all comes back to the NCAA making money off their hours spent. NCAA football and basketball, especially, are essentially a business. They make a whole lot of money off the hours these kids are putting in, and those same athletes are esentially their product. I just really don’t like how the NCAA manages to somehow destroy their earning power (related to the sport they play) completely while simeultaneously making money off it. I think even just opening up the rules to allow any sort of income that doesn’t come from the school (in addition to the scholarship) would be a great first step. If some car dealership or agent wants to pay a player for his football accomplishments….why not? Who loses, really?
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
can i invest in the NCAA? when you say the NCAA is making money off these kids (and it’s pretty much just basketball players, as 95% of their operating budget annually comes from the tournament, or some other ridiculously high figure), who is behind the NCAA? who is really profiting here?
i think the ncaa maintains its farcical notion of amateurism because, without it, things used to be much worse. schools would hire out and out professionals to come play on their teams. the notion of a student-athlete barely even existed in the years before the NCAA. so, ethically, i don’t have a problem with some kid wanting to profit off the fame that his athletic skill brings him, but at the same time, you have to have a line somewhere, no?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Not sure what being able to invest in them has to do with anything. I guess to be more accurate I’m talking about the NCAA itself, the schools, the conferences, etc. As a collective group, they bring in a ton of money from basketball and football.
You say things used to be much worse, but in what ways? What’s worse about a player getting paid? If you want to limit it to students, sure, that can make sense for a variety of reasons, but in terms of the notion of amateurism…..what, exactly, is the positive of amateurism? Why do you have to draw a line to keep them from being professionals? Why is that line basically at “you’re not allowed to make any money off your accomplishments”….?
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
For every sport but football, they do have the option of getting paid for what they do by playing in a professional league. And I don’t think anything’s stopping them in football except for the fact that no GM in the NFL would risk drafting someone straight out of high school.
Well, I’ll just come out and say I’m really only specifically talking about football and basketball. I don’t care very much about the other sports. Why? Those are the two big money makers, and the issue is one of athletes creating huge amounts of revenue that they’re then shut out from.
So, talking about those two specifically, there really isn’t any sort of feeder that can compete with the NCAAF and NCAAB to put those athletes into the professional leagues, so I don’t see what relevance it has….
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
If your argument is that Reggie Bush should have been able to earn that $300K cash, isn’t the counter argument that USC was already investing that in him, in the running costs of the football program and his academic costs? If he didn’t value those things, he was free to take a pass on the scholarship altogether. As Rags points out, though, nobody’s really ready for pro football just out of high school, so the colleges provide an extremely valuable service to the athlete in preparing them for exactly that.
i think MB is arguing for a farm system for football unrelated to college, though
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Well, it can be related to college. It doesn’t have to be, but I don’t see a reason it can’t be. My issue is that college is filling that role right now, which is fine, but somehow gets away without paying the players fairly. What’s even more ridiculous to me is that an athlete isn’t allowed to pursue money that wouldn’t even come from the college. If someone wants to pay Reggie Bush $300K for what he does as a USC football player, why the heck would we try to stop them? Who does it hurt?
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
it hurts the idea of amateurism, which you have already dismissed. some players are already compensated for spending time practicing and playing by having tuition and food paid for, as well as the other non-monetary perks of being a student athlete. it’s a matter of value, i suppose. i happen to find a college education to be incredibly valuable. why get paid when you can get a degree that will continue to benefit you long after your body gives out?
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Yeah, and as I say below, it does seem like a good idea to encourage education. I just don’t like the idea of amateurism. These guys stopped being amateurs when thousands of people paid good money to watch them play, when their schools/conferences signed big time TV deals so more people could watch them play, etc. They’re only amateurs in fantasy, in reality, they’re generating wayyyyy too much revenue to be amateurs. When I go out and play intramurals, I’m an amateur. When a team goes out and generates millions in revenues…..that’s professional sports right there.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
ok, then drop the amateur label and just call it college football. any reason that they should earn money now? if an outside source can pay them to play, then they can obviously influence their performance on the field. the college (“team owner”) wants victories, for obvious reasons. money introduces outside influences and ruins the spirit of playing for the university and the love of the game, however weak you perceive that cause to be right now. i distinctly dislike pro football for this very reason. little loyalty to a team or city, etc etc.
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any reason that they should earn money now?
Um, yeah, because they’re generating a shitload of revenue/profit. When you work hard to generate revenue, you generally expect to be compensated for it? Ok, let’s limit what we allow them to be paid for. Any reason not to allow Subway to pay a college athlete similar to the way they pay Ryan Howard? It’s one thing to protect the integrity of the sporting competition, it’s another to completely squash someone’s ability to be paid what the market is willing to pay them just to protect the label “amateur athlete”.
i distinctly dislike pro football for this very reason. little loyalty to a team or city, etc etc.
I actually agree, however, I’m not about to deprive someone of the chance to go make $300K that’s legitimately on the market for them because of it.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
i feel like a scholarship and ease of success in college is good enough compensation, i guess.
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By ease of success do you mean easier classes and stuff? If so, honestly, I actually feel that undermines the scholarship. Going to Cal is great and all, but it’s not like every Cal degree is some golden ticket. Some majors are definitely worth a lot more than others…..
According to this, Cal pulled in about $6M in profit from football and basketball combined, which appears to include all academic payments to the players and the costs of running the program. The University of Texas (just trying to give you a couple of estimates to get an idea of the possible range) pulled in $45M in profits from those two sports. You really think a scholarship is fair compensation?
Then you think about how marketable someone like Tim Tebow was at Florida or Leinart at USC, think about how much agents offered someone like Reggie Bush to give you an idea of what kind of market exists for those guys, of what car dealerships in Oklahoma will do for Rhett Bomar (I think he was the one that got busted for the cushy “job”, right)…..these guys have legitimate earning power. And they’re getting screwed.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
You really think a scholarship is fair compensation?
I mean, should janitors for Chevron be paid 500k/year if the company profits in the billions? How are you determining “fair compensation?” Is this unfair exploitation foisted upon the players against their will? Frankly, I think “paying” the players with a scholly worth 15-40k/year with the end degree upping their lifetime earnings by double and giving them ample opportunity to improve their football skills and enter the NBA draft is a totally fair compensation for what they put in to the uni.
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I mean, I kinda laid out the basic framework for why they aren’t fairly compensated. Why bring janitors into this? That’s just not a comparable situation. And on the one hand, I’m pointing to instances that show their market value, pointing to the revenue they generate and the profits the athletic department accrues on the basis of the players as the product, on the other hand you just “think” it’s fair. Which is fine, but at least make an argument for it….
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you seem to equate “fair compensation” with the overall profitability of the enterprise rather than the value each individual brings to the table. A janitor brings minimal value to Chevron, but they make a shitload of money, just as the NCAA makes a shitload of money even though there are many players who bring very minimal value to their respective teams.
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even though there are many players who bring very minimal value to their respective teams
Except I’m looking at aggregates/averages here, so I’m balancing everything out. I’m not looking at the overall profitability of an enterprise, I’m looking at the profits/revenues of a corporation that these players are directly responsible for bringing in. That’s the important distinction, and it makes all the difference in the world.
by Missing Barry on Sep 8, 2010 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions
So how many dollars, exactly, does Ryan Wertenberger bring to Cal Football?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 8, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
…I really don’t understand the path you keep trying to go on here. I’ve given you total revenue/profit figures. Football teams have 85 scholarships. Do the math.
by Missing Barry on Sep 8, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
So all employees of all companies should receive a pay commensurate to profits in $ divided by the number of employees in the company, equally?
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Still don’t understand how you fail to see the difference in the point you’re talking about and the point I’m talking about.
by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
As in, my point isn’t much different than someone working at a trading desk bringing in X amount of profit and wanting their bonus to be in line with that, while you’re takling about janitors. One is relevant, one is not.
by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
What that $6M doesn’t include, though is necessary capital expenditure, which is currently covered by donation. If you turn the entire enterprise into a for-profit corporation, with cash compensation for players, you need to start paying for a lot more overhead out of expenses (because you take donations out of the picture). And then, at Cal specifically, the program is massively in the red and the players are hosed.
Do you necessarily have to go as far as being a for-profit institution? I’d be surprised if there wasn’t some fiddle wherein you could establish the athletic department as a foundation or something similar to ease up on the bookkeeping and allow donations.
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In other words, there’s a reason the XFL and NFL Europe went bankrupt — no fan wants to pay enough to make crappy pro football profitable.
I don’t think those are accurate comparisons at all. They went bankrupt because it’s lower level stuff that can’t replace the NFL. College football is different, because it’s associate with a college, and it’s the feeder for the NFL.
by Missing Barry on Sep 8, 2010 5:11 AM PDT up reply actions
College football is different, because it’s associate with a college, and it’s the feeder for the NFL.
I think you’re proving my point; aside from education, the college provides a lot of benefit to the athlete, including a bulit-in audience, exposure, risk-free development, marketing, etc. You’ve claimed that the athletes are grossly underpaid on the basis of a football team’s revenue, and I’m pointing out that any attempt to divvy up that revenue stream has to reflect the benefits that the college provides. And honeslty, I think the laundry matters a lot more than the player. Based on examples like the XFL or NFL Europe, removing the college’s contributions, whatever they may be, is enough to turn any operation bankrupt.
Also, I agree that college football is the feeder for the NFL, and it’s that way because no alternatives exist. Not to beat a dead horse, but I think this is b/c a purely pro development league is unsustainable, which is another way of saying that the college contributes more to this equation than I htink you are crediting.
Well, a couple of points. I don’t think a pro developmental league is unsustainable, though I have no real evidence besides it working in other sports around the world. It just isn’t sustainable when you already have college football to compete with. They’ve already won the market.
Second, I don’t have a problem with keeping the football associated with schools. If it makes sense and everyone benefits, then why not? You can keep it as a college sport AND change the system.
by Missing Barry on Sep 8, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
They’re not getting that screwed. Look at Reggie Bush, Tim Tebow, and Matt Leinart… Are any of them having trouble earning money? Well, maybe Leinart might at the moment :) If anything, they’re making a ton of bank right now BECAUSE of the opportunity that they got to play in college. It was their collegiate play that gave them earning opportunities. Without the opportunity to play in college, they wouldn’t have had the lucrative professional careers they do now. If someone’s getting screwed, it’s not those guys.
by atomsareenough on Sep 10, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Or you could be Desmond Reed, enter college as a pro prospect, damage your ankle and foot so badly that you need a steel plate in your shoe to run, and end up with no chance of a pro career.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
But that’s just it. He was a pro prospect, and his prospects depended on his development and play at the college level. The injury derailed it, but unlike baseball, these guys don’t really have the ability to play professionally straight out of high school. The college experience is critical for these guys.
by atomsareenough on Sep 10, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see why the college game being the de facto minor leagues for the NFL is an argument against paying players.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
And I don’t see why it’s an argument for.
by atomsareenough on Sep 10, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
It isn’t, necessarily. But there’s an argument to be made, even if players weren’t paid, that they can accrue career ending injuries, but without anything to offset the opportunity cost of having played for next to nothing rather than for pay. If universities are going to benefit from the restrictive trade policies of the NFL, the least they could do is provide some form of compensation for these kinds of incidents.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
The argument for is that college football players are bringing in a crapload of revenue and barely seeing any of it. Not only that, but there are rules that prevent them from pursuing revenue opportunities outside of that. I mean, you can point to guys that moved on to the NFL, and I can point to Vinnie Strang and what possibilities he might have had to do an add for Zachary’s or something. So what? I just don’t understand why everyone is so ok with restricting how much these guys make?
by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
the colleges provide an extremely valuable service to the athlete in preparing them for exactly that
I agree, and I’m even in favor of education, so it seems like encouraging kids to get an education instead of just cash might be smart. The problems are when they aren’t allowed to pursue financial opportunities from outside the school, that I do not think they’re compensated fairly for the revenue they generate (and I think I can make a numbers based case for that, but if someone can make a case against it, I’m all ears), and that they aren’t given the opportunity to take their compensation in any form but a scholarship.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
As a collective group, the NCAA and major college athletic departments bring in a ton of money. Where does that money go? Who is profiting? These are important questions.
As for why the line is where it is, I think it’s because schools are not in the business of running professional sports franchises — the public wouldn’t stomach such naked greed and ambition — so this is about as far as they can push it while still clinging to an amateurism label.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
this is about as far as they can push it while still clinging to an amateurism label
The amateur label is bullshit. That’s the whole point.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s fine, I just kinda felt like we were talking about two different things.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I get the points you were making, and they were valid questions, I just kinda felt it was a different topic.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I noticed how you never addressed how similar someone voluntarily entering indentured servitude is to this situation…. ;)
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
You replied, but that doesn’t mean you addressed it.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I replied stating that I agreed with you that it was a preposterously ridiculous comparison that did seem to relate very little to the true facts of a modern student-athlete.
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by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, well, I suppose it’s already happened so can’t stop it now!
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
well, we sorta are. i mean, you’re arguing that these guys aren’t really amateurs anyway, and since their effort generates huge revenues, they should get a cut. i’m not really disputing it, just suggesting that a) perhaps the beneficiaries of these huge revenues aren’t necessarily your traditional exploiters of young talents, but instead are often other student athletes, people who may work just as hard as football players, but at a non-revenue sport, and so their scholarships are partially subsidized by DeSean Jackson jerseys, and b) it’s fine if you want to call a spade a spade, but i would think very carefully before tearing the amateur label off completely, as I think it would have a whole host of consequences, many of them quite undesirable.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
It is a good point, and definitely true. Besides the issue of “where does the funding for other sports come from”, do you see any other consequences of losing the amateur label? I don’t really see anything worth worrying about, but I’m open to new ideas.
I still see no reason to allow players to accept outside compensation (and if you want to ban compensation that may undermine the integrity of the sport, fine). Who does it hurt?
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
the fans who appreciate the fact that there is at least an illusion that the players enjoy playing for the university, which is a common bond shared by many college sports fans? that’s what would turn me away from buying tickets
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I mean, I get what you’re going for, and don’t even disagree that the illusion exists and makes the experience better, I just don’t understand the next step you take that makes it acceptable to completely screw someone over the way the NCAA does to its “athlete-students” (or student-athletes) because of that nostalgia….
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you figure? The University of Texas has 100 scholarship football and basketball players, right? (85 football 15 basketball). After “paying” them what they do, they still make enough profit to pay each one up to ~$450K more per year than they currently do. According to this, over half those players aren’t even walking out with a degree. So they’re bringing in enough revenue to be paid up to ~$500K a year (from the college, then take into account any additional money they can make through endorsements and such), and instead they get way less than that, in the form of college expenses, many of whom don’t even get a degree out of it, without the option of being paid for it…….I really, really fair to see how they aren’t getting screwed….
by Missing Barry on Sep 8, 2010 5:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Again, your model doesn’t account for how much of that revenue is due to a single player and how much is due to the college’s brand. TCU is ranked ahead of Texas this week, which is a measure of player performance. If only player performance mattered, you’d expect TCU to have made more revenue last week than Texas. To the extent that it didn’t, THAT’s the effect of the brand ‘Texas,’ and you have to subtract that worth before you try to divide the profits over the players.
See my reply to a different comment – I don’t see why you have to seperate the school out here. You can change the system AND keep the school involved.
by Missing Barry on Sep 8, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
The point of this exercise is that you can’t separate out the school, while I think you imply the opposite by dividing revenue by player without accounting for what the school provides. You’re not addressing why your indignation at the revenue generated per player encompasses total revenue, as opposed to a fraction of that.
Of course you can separate the school as an economic entity from the football program – the latter could be a wholly owned subsidiary.
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Right, I think most programs do similar bookkeeping to that? My point was more in context of drivers for revenue. It’s hard to put a dollar amount on a school’s brand, but I do know that it exists and that it’s responsible for at least some of that revenue, and I’d argue the lion’s share of that revenue.
There are a lot of drivers of revenue. I wouldn’t claim you can seperate them all out. I also don’t think my post was really trying to do that, I merely pointed out:
“they still make enough profit to pay each one up to ~$450K more per year than they currently do”
and:
“they’re bringing in enough revenue to be paid up to ~$500K a year”
I’m not suggesting every cent of profit go to the players. I’m just suggesting that the players are getting a very, very small part of the revenue stream their play brings in. Another additional point – you talk about “brand”, but is the school itself the relevant brand, or the schools football team? Probably some of both. Don’t forget about past success when making the link between success and revenues, and notice how the same school brand doesn’t bring out the same kind of support for other sports.
I’m not suggesting I have the answer to how much they should be paid, just that it’s substantially more than what they’re being paid right now. According to this, NBA players receive at least 57% of revenues. According to this, NFL players receive around 58% of revenues. Using that revenue site I linked to earlier, the “student aid” expense, which appears to be the expense of scholarships, for Cal football players was just over 10% of revenues. For University of Texas, it was under 4%.
College football is a business operated just like other professional sports. It is, in essence, a professional sport. For everyone but the players, that is.
by Missing Barry on Sep 8, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Ethically, I don’t have a problem with college football players getting paid for things like commercial endorsements, or having their likenesses used for video games, for example. I’m just trying to think of a good dividing line that doesn’t create slippery slope from there to players getting jobs from boosters, to getting gifts from boosters, to getting bags of money to boosters, to schools setting up booster slush funds with hundred dollar handshakes like they used to have at SMU, where schools with the most money could essentially buy the best players, and the notion of fair and level competition was out the window. take away any pretense of amateurism, and i’ll bet you end up with 120 different NFL minor league teams with nominal school colors and fight songs. it may be honest, but i think it also ruins much of the appeal of the sport.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
and man, if you think players get screwed over now, wait til boosters start reneging on payments that the player had come to depend on, just because the player’s performance slipped. at least schools can’t take away a player’s scholarship because they hurt themselves. the NFL is a brutal, brutal business that i would be hesitant to expose kids to before we absolutely had to (i.e. they made a deliberate choice to turn professional).
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
You do raise some good points. I don’t claim to have the answers, but I do claim to recognize a serious problem – that under the guise of some idealistic notion of “amateurism”, one that really isn’t as ideal as it’s made out to be – we’ve set up a system that funnels almost all the money these kids generate to other parties, without letting them get in on the financial benefits themselves. The current system sucks, I can identify that much. Creating a good new system….well, that’s more difficult.
by Missing Barry on Sep 8, 2010 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions
A counter-argument, however, is that when students are absorbed in nominally academic activities which generate revenue for the university, they are frequently compensated for it. This tends to be more evident for graduate students, but the general principle is there. One could argue, therefore, that the student athletes playing football are generating revenue for the university, substantially more per scholarship than an equivalent graduate student, and seeing correspondingly less.
There’s also the question of the inherent value of the scholarship and whether the receipt of a scholarship represents compensation in kind for something that the student would be doing anyway. To the extent that a scholarship is not fungible, it doesn’t seem to me to be a benefit except in kind, and only to the extent that it’s a means to a desired end – i.e., being coached by professionals, getting television exposure, etc., getting a degree that is otherwise unaffordable.
As someone who didn’t attend Cal on a football scholarship – I’m guessing, at any rate – it may be hard to imagine that someone could view a scholarship as anything other than a splendid event. But it’s also possible that absent a scholarship, many student athletes would not attend university at all because the “student” part of student-athlete isn’t really what’s important, but the opportunity cost of tuition and being treated like an ordinary student is too high.
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(which I believe they have to pay back if they leave school without graduating)
Do you have a reference for this? I thought that, like any other scholarship, if they leave they don’t have to pay back anything, or else it’s a type of conditional loan. For example, if someone leaves early for the NFL draft, are they required to pay back the scholarship? I don’t think so, but I could be wrong.
I remember recently being in a conversation about it in reference to baseball players leaving early (and their team that signs them agreeing to pay the school back for the scholarship). Not sure the conversation was completely accurate, or if it applies to football (baseball does partial scholarships I think, so there’s at least some difference there)….
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
There is no obligation to pay back scholarships, unless some school has implemented this practice independently of the NCAA. Certainly, Cal does not require athletes who leave early or without graduating to compensate the university (including if they get kicked off the team).
Change what Reggie Bush did, and the entire crappy system is still in place screwing players. Change the system, and all of a sudden everything becomes ok, like it is in every other facet of life. Changing the system solves the problem.
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Reggie Bush
He spent a good deal of time yesterday “educating” people on the possibility of a lockout in the NFL next season on his Twitter. Excerpts:
“I have a question for football fans? What do you guys think about the possibility of a lockout next year? Meaning no football!”
“And it’s not a strike, it’s a lockout on the NFL Owners behalf! The players want nothing more than to play, but we have to be protected!”
“@fraschettik I’m so glad you said that. Because it’s not about rich fighting the rich! It’s about much more than that!”
“I think people are taking this as a need for sorrow or pity? Not at all! Just educating you guys! It’s always good to be knowledgable!”
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The other interesting part of htis photo is the diffraction spike lens flare on the star on the right. I was curious why the Hubble, which presumably NASA fixed back in the 90s, would have such an aberration; apparently it’s unavoidable due to the geometry of the inner struts of the telescope.
Looking back at the slate of games Saturday
I was surprised to see so many pretty unexpected upsets. There were very few marquee matchups (par for the course this pre-conference season), but Jax St. over Ole Miss? Fresneck over Cincy (both BCS teams within the last couple years)? And definitely the most-overlooked upset of the week, ND State over Kansas?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 7, 2010 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
And I was about to flag this for actual football discussion in a DBD!
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s “super-awesome” or “delightful” (if you must) Ohio to you.
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by CALumbus Bear on Sep 7, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m going with the !
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is like whats better Stalinist Russia or Hitler’s Germany?
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Stalinist Russia, you could at least theoretically be re-educated and released.
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Plus, according to norcalnick, they had Stalinist slash fan fiction. About paleontologists.
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I don't know which adds more excitement
But the “!” in Sacramento is just punctuation. The “super-awesome” in Ohio is a flat-out lie.
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I thought the ! in Sacramento! was more of an exclamation of pain, like “ouch!” Super-awesome is clearly more exciting and less ambiguous.
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by CALumbus Bear on Sep 7, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Something's ROT-ten in Palo Alto
Did anyone see any of the Stanfurd – Sacramento! State game? (I recorded it just in case something miraculous happened.) The place looked empty. According to the box score, the attendance was 30,000, but that has got to be paid attendance, rather than butts in seats. Stanfurd is being picked by some to win the Pac-10, and still nobody can be bothered to go to their opening game. I realize they were playing Sac State, but after all, we were playing U.C. Davis, are being picked to finish seventh or something, and we had 58,000. ROT indeed.
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Will you stop being reasonable!
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it hurts that they’re a bunch of fuckity fuck fucks.
by boomtho on Sep 7, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Certainly, having the students there would help, but it also means that they havent really gotten the local South Bay community invested. A lot of the fans are Cal games are alums, yes, but there are also a lot of community members from all over the Bay Area. A lot of the posters here, such as Missing Barry, never went to Cal, but still follow it and would attend games.
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I am attending the upcoming game, in fact!
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the people who count attendance there...
…are the same ones who inflate GPAs.
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I think that, as an A’s fan, you should stay away from this topic?
by TheOfficialSunshinePumper on Sep 7, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I’m waiting for a Giants fan to say that it’s fine if Stanfurd goes to the Rose Bowl, as long as Cal has better attendance.
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NICE COMPARISON. LOVE IT. Giants ‘fans’ care to respond?
by TheOfficialSunshinePumper on Sep 7, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
With such an airtight analogy, there is no response.
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by Thoroughbred on Sep 7, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
If she’s really waiting for a Giants fan to say that, she’s on the wrong website for it!
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Terrible fan bases
I attended school at Sac State and the people at the school and the community couldn’t give a rat’s ass about football. They can’t sell out their own games, so it wasn’t a surprise that the fans didn’t travel to that game.
As for furd fans, they’ve still never heard of the game football.
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It’s a simian game played by brutes. We much prefer an intriguing round of Backgammon on the veranda with girly drinks brought to us on platters by minorities. To the Hamptons!!! Tralalalala.
/Furd fan
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 7, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good thing you identified that as a Stanfurd fan. I was thinking it was someone from Sac State!
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that sac state reply would be more like...
It’s a simian game played by brutes. We much prefer an intriguing round of shooting beer cans from the veranda with nattylight or silver bullets brought to us on platters by bottle blondes in daisydukes. To the River!!! Tralalalala.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Sep 7, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
YOU SON OF A JOKE STEALIN GOOD FOR NOTHIN EARLY POSTIN RAT SCOUNDREL
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 7, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s a simian weak game played by brutes wussies. We much prefer an intriguing dirt-splatterin round of Backgammon hog-tyin’ in on the veranda barnyard mud-wallow with girly drinks Natty Ice brought to us on platters by minorities women with loose morals. To the Hamptons Visalia!!! Tralalalala.
/Sac State fan
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 7, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, UC Davis >>> Sac St.
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Boise State vs. Va Tech = Ratings
ESPN earns 6.8 overnight for Boise St-VA Tech last night, up from 5.6 overnight for Miami-FSU on same night last year
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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
So, its better than Mimia FSU. Is that a good number in general, though? I dont even know.
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It’s lower than the ratings for the Mick Foley/The Rock This is Your Life segment!
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
That a great number compared to:
- The teams that played last night
- Yesterday was a holiday
- The teams that played last year(Which have bigger following’s even though they’ve hit hard times recently.)
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Well, its true that VT and BSU have worse traditions than FSU and Miami. But also, their geographic spread is much greater. FSU Miami is huge in Florida, but out here who cares as much. I bet there were a lot of people out West watching rooting on BSU.
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I think it’s just that a lot of people who are even casual football fans wanted to see if Boise State could live up to the hype. It felt a lot more like a bowl game than a rivalry game like FSU/Miami, which has great appeal to those with a vested rooting interest but less so for those who don’t.
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus we’ve all been waiting a long time for college football to start again, it was on Labor Day, and there were no other real interesting matchups all weekend long, so I at least felt it pretty much was the kickoff to the college football season, even if Utah-Pitt was at least entertaining….
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying Cal-UC Davis was not interesting?!?!?
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Heisman 2011!
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
(but that was supposed to be the Joe Ayoob year, no?)
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Heissman 2010
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The Ephrum von Bileksteinowitz Award For Excellence Among North Carolinian Skill Players 2010
or some other random ass award no one cares about but watchlists exist for anyway
2010!!!
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First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence
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I’m not saying it. I am, however, implying it….
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Rishi is strangely absent today…
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
1898! 1899!
In light of the articles I did about the 1898 and 1899 seasons, I stopped to take a close look at the Douglas Tilden “Football Players” statue, which we won for beating Stanfurd those two years. I have walked past that statue hundreds of times without ever noticing the names carved into the base. It was nice to see the names of our heroes there: Smith, Kaarsberg, Pringle, Hall, Womble, Thane, Coach Cochrane.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
DEFATED!
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Deflated, even.
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Or he has no fate anymore.
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Cal volleyball won on the road on Saturday
The No. 11-ranked California volleyball team (4-0) defeated No. 25 San Diego (2-3) in three sets (25-21, 25-22, 25-23) to grab its fourth straight victory in the 2010 USD Tournament at the Jenny Craig Pavilion on Saturday, Sept. 4. The Golden Bears were led to their 12th consecutive set win by junior outside hitter Tarah Murrey, who had a match-high 17 kills (4e, 39att, .333) while adding four digs. Senior setter Carli Lloyd paced Cal as she dished out 36 assists to help the team attack at a .327 percentage with 43 kills (11e, 98att).
Yes, I am an Old Blue. Now get off my lawn.
The No. 11-ranked California volleyball team (3-0) defeated Gardner-Webb (1-4) in three sets (25-9, 25-8, 25-6) on Friday, Sept. 3, in the first match of the 2010 USD Tournament at the Jenny Craig Pavilion. The Golden Bears attacked at a season-high .576 attack percentage (42k, 4e, 66att) while holding the Runnin’ Bulldogs to a negative .139 attack rate (14k, 25e, 79att).
Yes, I am an Old Blue. Now get off my lawn.
Cal beat UC-Davis on Sunday, too
Following a defensive first half, the California field hockey team scored four times in the second half to defeat UC Davis, 5-1, in the NorPac Conference opener Sunday afternoon at Maxwell Family Field. The Golden Bears earned their first win of the season, and improved to 1-2 on the year, while the Aggies fell to 0-3. Sophomore Claire Dougherty and freshman Andrea Earle each scored twice for Cal.
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Week 1 AP Poll
I’m really not sure what the Furd did that was impressive enough to put them in the rankings.
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Sacramento! St. is more formible than we thought, perhaps?
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by Fire Starkey on Sep 7, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
The zero votes that Sacramento State received in the FCS rankings would suggest otherwise.
Speaking of the FCS rankings, UC-Davis had 32 votes in the preseason FCS poll. After our drubbing of them, the Aggies got a mere one vote for this week’s FCS poll.
Check out Jacksonville State: those Cocks (Gamecocks, I mean) moved up 11 spots and got first place votes for its win at Ole Miss.
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Who among us can displace Montana from its reign of terror over the FCS ranks!?!?
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, reign of terror? They’ve lost the last 2 championship games to the CAA, and 3 of the last 6 to the CAA (and haven’t won themselves since 2001). If anything, they’re going all Buffalo Bills on us.
Also, stupid Jacksonville St passing us in the rankings!
by Missing Barry on Sep 7, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
hairball sunshine pumping from the media.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Sep 7, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Coaches poll
Furd didn’t crack the top 25 in this one.
We got 10 votes — 4 more than the preseason poll.
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KEENAN ALLEN
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Heisman 1899!
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I was flipping between the Cal game and Texas game Saturday. Granted, the Horns only ran about 5 standard plays but…they didn’t look very good and Johnson getting injured early didn’t help.
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by Fire Starkey on Sep 7, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve already dropped Cody Johnson for Tre Newton.
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by yellow fever on Sep 7, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m considering it as well.
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by Fire Starkey on Sep 7, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Tickets for sale
Is there a section/reoccuring post this year for those who have tickets to sell?
I do, both UCLA and Oregon games:
http://excusemeformyvoice.com/blog/?p=2125
we sorta had a fanpost/section like that last year…i guess we forgot to start one up this year?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
you’re in Japan, too?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Hardly. I’ll be en-route to Boston for the UCLA game (for my brother’s wedding) and for the Oregon game I have a near-mandatory Church class to go to (I’d skip it if it were the Big Game) that same day.
blasphemy. you’d skip church kencraw?
by TheOfficialSunshinePumper on Sep 7, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
From Feldman
Tweet of the Day from Tennessee Volunteers beat writer Wes Rucker:
@wesrucker: Vols QB Matt Simms, brother of Chris, said Phil was amazed by Neyland and called it “definitely” better atmosphere than Texas.
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hahaha that might be true, I hear Neyland is outstanding. Of course, it would’ve helped if your brother hadn’t massively underacheived there, Matt-o.
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by Fire Starkey on Sep 7, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Any assassinations to report?
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by Fire Starkey on Sep 7, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I almost wish I was still single so I could engage in random, meaningless sex and upon completion, shout “BOOM! ASSASSINATED!” before walking out.
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Haha, that would be hilarious.
I definitely pulled some pretty dbag moves this weekend. But I was drunk, so it’s okay.
7
So what were your thoughts on the Davis game?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 7, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Cal wins, BTW
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by Fire Starkey on Sep 7, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
SPOILER ALERT!!!
Dick move, Fire Starkey.
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by CALumbus Bear on Sep 7, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like you are taking the Leinart cut pretty hard.
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BOOBS
BALTIC — Rubber bracelets aimed at raising awareness about breast cancer and emblazoned with “I love boobies” are raising eyebrows among school officials in South Dakota.
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Raising boobs? That doesn’t make sense!
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by CALumbus Bear on Sep 7, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Can this day move any slower? I just got the phone call that my new phone is in, but I’m on the clock for another hour and a half. Argh!
That said, any of you folks have any suggestion for cool apps to put on my phone? It’s a Droid X, so it’s running Android (duh). Free’s better, but if you know of an app that’s worth the money, let me know.
-kat
Member of the Lost Tribe of Mooch
Agreed the day is moving slowly
All Tuesdays after 3-day weekends move slowly.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
golflogix, give you distances to the greens and other hazards on the golf course.
wait, you mean useful for normal people?
Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.
-TwistNHook
Apps: NPR, last.fm, yelp, amazon, facebook, FM radio, photoshop express, twitter, tumblr. your bank probably has an app. mint.com has one. youtube, droidlight…
by atomsareenough on Sep 10, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Somehow, someway the Japanese let me through Customs.
PS – the Japan could use some diversity. Yes I said it.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Uncle Ted hopes Keenan Allen's early success won't hurt the locker room atmosphere
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/12669/video-pac-10-mailbag-2
http://twitter.com/solariseCGB
Per his blog, LSU and Oregon to meet in 2011 at Cowboys Stadium. NICE.
From what I’ve seen of him, Keenan is a very cool, down to earth guy. Ever since he showed up for summer workouts, his talent has been obvious, but he doesn’t seem arrogant or full of himself, so unless he develops a big head now, I don’t think it’ll be a problem.
I've been Honked...
'Furd's starting TE averts Big Game disappointment by tearing his own ACL
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/07/stanford-loses-starting-te-to-acl-tear/
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The Oregon Duck's mascot name is Puddles?
One of the silliest interviews ever. Also, Dana Guthrie is cute.
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Just for carp - Kat Reilly
http://surveys.dmagazine.com/10-Most-Beautiful-Women-In-Dallas-2010/Details/Kat_Reilly
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by solarise on Sep 7, 2010 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
She is purdy
Love the Texan accent too.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 7, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like the perfect woman to me
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=878913922325&ref=mf
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Good lord. I don’t typically gravitate to blondes, but she is ridiculously beautiful. And she went to Cal! Just, wow.
by atomsareenough on Sep 10, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t typically gravitate to blondes
Not true, two objects with mass at non-relativistic speeds always gravitate toward each other proportional to the gravitational constant and their masses and inversely proportional to their separation.
Work Twitter
There’s a dude in my office who looks and sounds exactly like Benjamin Linus and it’s freaking me out.
Work Twitter
Dude two cubes over who went to Wisconsin had no idea Aaron Rodgers went to Cal until about 30 minutes ago.
Cal Football: I loved them once and they broke my heart. Let that be a lesson to you. Never love anything.
Just please bring the ladiez!
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by CALumbus Bear on Sep 7, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
This NY Times articles combines everything I love about Vijay Iyer, Jazz, UC Berkeley, and SCIENCE!
But that’s only the most visible part of his career. During the ’90s, while Mr. Iyer was cultivating his artistic voice at late-night gigs, his daylight hours were spent working as a physics major at the University of California at Berkeley, where he produced a doctoral thesis that focused on “the role of the body in music perception and cognition”—that is, the part played by bodily experience in the comprehension of music. The two spheres may seem worlds apart. Yet, speaking of his two lives, the pianist reveals that in some ways, each was made possible by the other.
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by TwistNHook on Sep 7, 2010 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
London
Weather: Absolutely perfect. Sunny, daily highs in the low 80s, breezy.
Stuff saw: all the basic tourist stuff. Neither I nor my parents had been since 1986 and even then, we were only there for 2 days. So we had all the very basic London tourist map in front of us: British Museum, Tate Modern, Big Ben, Westminster Abbey, SoHo, etc.Also made a quick daytrip to Cambridge and a pilgrimage to Craven Cottage, despite Premier League being on hold during Euro 2011 Qualifying.
Eating: Unfortunately, since I was with my parents didn’t get a chance to get out and eat most of the recommended restaurants (I had wanted to try St. John’s, one of Gordon Ramsey’s places, the Wolsley and Boca di Lupo). Did get to have breakfast at Fernandez and Wells and ended up at one of Marco Pierre White’s places (Frankie’s – very very strange, but decent meal for a decent price). Did eat a lot of sandwiches from Pret a Mange, EAT and similar places. Also had some pub grub – and museum restaurants were surprisingly good (especially the one at the Victoria and Albert museum)
Shopping: Not a whole lot of time – and with globalization, not a whole lot of stores that I can’t find anywhere else. Unfortunately, couldn’t find the monocle store in time (saw them locking the doors) bought a couple of Thomas Pink shirts (so much cheaper here than in HK or shanghai) and that’s about it.
the City: I loved it. The Tube was great for getting around. Was really surprised about how great a biking city it appeared to be – like a mega-sized Portland, although I understand a lot of that has to do with Boris Johnson. Didn’t see a lot of the things that people complain about modern Britain (chavs, ASBO, people speaking in mockney accents) but I suppose thats because I spent so much time in tourist London. Would very much like to go back on my own, or more specifically, without my parents. But was glad to see it with them so next time I can spend time exploring the city by bike or something.
Well, you’re fucking welcome.
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May I offer you a glass of sunshine?
Frankie’s is kind of a bizarre place (but I agree, the food is perfectly acceptable). Did you go to the Piccadilly Circus one (that used to be a very fine restaurant before it was Frankie’d) or Knightsbridge? The other partner in the chain is the jockey Frankie Dettori.
I’m so glad you had a good time! Also, weather, FTW!!
Knightsbridge. My mom heard from her brother (my uncle) that there was this great sandwich store selling tongue sandwiches which he went to for 6 meals out of the 12 he was in London – and it was “near Harrod’s.” Unfortunately, “near Harrod’s” apparently didn’t mean “right next to” and there was no other clues, nor did we have a phone number to call my uncle, so we ended up at Frankie’s which I had remembered from a friend mentioning it.
We went into Frankie’s at 7pm, there was only one other table seated, there were about 20 disco balls and no greeter or even wait staff to seat us, until I said “uh, hello?” and some guy popped up from behind the bar. We almost turned around and walked out, but my dad was hungry and it DID have Marco Pierre White’s name on the door, I figured it would at least be ok.
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Washington St. Cougars
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2 | 7 | 4 | 8 |
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5 | 4 | 6 | 8 |
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Utah Utes
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4 | 5 | 8 | 5 |
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Arizona St. Sun Devils
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Arizona Wildcats
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Colorado Buffaloes
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