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Where Should the Pac-12 Championship Game Be Held?

The Pac-10 is about to be the Pac-12 in a year, meaning that some fundamental things about the conference will be changing next season. With the heads of the Pac-10 families meeting, we've decided to take a look at the upcoming pressing alignment issues and wonder what you think we'll happen, how it'll affect the conference for the better or for worse.

Monday we looked at divisional alignment. Tuesday we looked at the possible pod and zipper formats. Today we look at the least pressing of the issues, the Pac-12 Championship site.

Now it doesn't make much of a difference where the Pac-12 Championship is played. They could put the game in Alaska for all I cared and I'd still be willing to buy a ticket if the Golden Bears are the last of two teams standing for the Pac-12 title. But the destinations do all have their pros and cons, so I'd like to lay them out after the jump.

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Home field of the team with the best record.

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Although Cal will never finish first in the Pac-10 EVER, the thought of Memorial hosting a Pac-12 title cool would be freaking sweet.

Pros: Guaranteed to be a sell-out. A neutral field will have very variable attendance numbers and depend a lot on how many people are willing to travel a great distance. Plus it would give added incentive for a team to still finish with the best conference record rather than the best division record and play every game equally hard until the end of the season.

Cons: Favors the home team by an inordinate amount depending on the fans and the stadium. Could diminish the value of the game over time if the home team constantly wins over and over. Also, the stadium sizes vary and some of the locations are far from desirable--who wants to travel to Pullman in December (you know, when the Cougars have a decent team again)?

 

Oakland/San Francisco

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Pros: The most central location. Tourist-friendly location, very likely to draw a huge crowd. Probably the most temperate weather every season, especially if it's played in Oakland--very mild and modest temperatures with only the Pacific winds possibly playing a factor.

Cons: Favors the Bay Area teams. More importantly, these are terrible football stadiums to choose from, especially for what's likely to be a primetime Saturday night game. Even Niners fans can't stand going to Candlestick; the Raiders would be a little bit better because of the BART system, but not by much. The situation might improve once the Niners move to Santa Clara, but for now, the stadiums are simply unappealing.

Las Vegas

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UFL Championship Game (via cammyjams)

Pros: Becomes Vegas's premier team sporting event (not sure about premier sporting event yet; it doesn't quite get up there with heavyweight fights, even though boxing is dead), thus will get heavily pimped out with all sorts of travel deals available to alumni. It's not like students don't need incentive to go there. They just need a ride.

Cons: Weak attendance factor. It's a small college stadium, which could also be viewed as a pro, since it's not a certainty that the Pac-12 title game selling out any of the big pro arenas.

Los Angeles, most likely the Rose Bowl

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Rose Bowl Stadium.. (via Bill Humason..)

Pros: Will draw the largest audience every season--huge alumni sections, the easiest location, the best site for TV purposes (similar to why the Pac-10 basketball tournament is held in LA every year, so FSN doesn't have to haul their lazy selves on the road).

Cons: Favors the LA teams. The only two football stadiums in Los Angeles house the two major programs, so it'd be akin to a home game for either of those schools. Also, how bizarre would it be to play in the Rose Bowl for the right to go to the Rose Bowl?

Also if they choose the Rose Bowl, I can imagine the thoughts of Pac-12 fans everywhere...

"Oh yay, we're in the Rose Bowl! Wait...this is to get into the Rose Bowl? Holy recursive loop Batman!"

Phoenix/Glendale

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University Of Phoenix Stadium (via orclimber)

Pros: Probably the best stadium in the conference in terms of comfort, a big deal when you're talking about a huge money event like a conference title game and alumni fans willing to buy high-priced tickets the week before the game. The only one of these stadiums with a dome, thus sealing the teams off from the elements and providing a true neutral field. Could rival Jerry-ville in Dallas (Big 12 title game) and the Georgia Dome (SEC Title Game) in prestige.

Cons: Favors the Arizona teams. Not exactly a huge travel spot and fairly remote from the rest of the conference. Remote possibility of liquid courageous students being imprisoned and ethnically different athletes being deported.

San Diego

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The Sun Sets on the Broncos (via bridgepix)

Pros: Most weather-friendly of all the destinations + most neutral of all the sites, although it could be seen to favor the LA schools due to the proximity of location. Still, for a December game, it's a very attractive location. Weather should be very temperate and fans wouldn't really need an excuse to hit up this site.

Cons: Probably the furthest destination for most fans outside of California--it's uncertain how strong the alumni bases for Pac-12 schools are in San Diego compared to Los Angeles or the Bay Area.

Seattle

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Stadium City (via Surrealize)

Pros: Architecturally, probably the best stadium on the West Coast. Can get very noisy with the right set of fans. Close to one of the most underrated cities in America, and a definite tourist/alumni-friendly destination that people would flock to.

Cons: Favors northwestern teams, particularly the Washington Huskies; inclement weather very likely, could be quite a messy game, especially it involves southern teams. Might not attract huge travel numbers

Rotating sites.

Pros: Allows for the greatest degree of fairness for schools and no one would have to worry about favoritism. Fairly exciting to have a new site every year and could keep fans intrigued.

Cons: A logistical nightmare, which is a part of the reason the Pac-10 tournament refuses to rotate (well, other than the fact that they're lazy and the LA schools got all the power). This could result in exhausted fans who might not want to travel to particular locations they find less desirable, which could also result in similar horror photos like these:

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Poll
The Pac-12 championship game should be held at...
Team with best record's stadium
84 votes
Rotating sites
123 votes
Bay Area
77 votes
Las Vegas
100 votes
Los Angeles
24 votes
Phoenix/Glendale
19 votes
San Diego
53 votes
Seattle
7 votes

487 votes | Poll has closed

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i like rotating

between Seattle and Glendale (2 nicest spots), though adding in LA as a 3rd wouldn’t bother me.

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by MrPacTen on Sep 29, 2010 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I prefer the home field

Though this gets into some debate about baking cupcakes for the non con to boost a teams record in case theres a tie. But if there is a clear favorite, they deserve the advantage.

The problem I have with the other solutions besides Vegas is it kinda depends on the divisions. If for instance USC and UCLA are in the same division and the championship game is always in the rose bowl, it clearly gives that division an advantage.

By the way, for the pac-10 basketball tournament, how do they split up the revenue? is there some kind of compensation for the rest of the schools to make up for the tournament always being in LA? or is it just a sucks for you situation for the non LA schools

by planetxerox on Sep 29, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

forgot to mention that I think we’ll suffer the same problem that the ACC does with their championship games, i.e. lack of attendance, if we don’t use the home sites. I just dont think most pac-10 fans will travel well enough on a weeks notice compared to the SEC.

by planetxerox on Sep 29, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

SEC fans don’t have to travel on a weeks notice. They know that the championship will be in Atlanta and since all SEC fans have ridiculous opinions of their teams they all plan on being in Atlanta in early dec.

by Whiskyrick on Sep 29, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

atlanta also has extremely high concentrations of alums from each of the sec schools, facilitating their presence at the game. Plus, the sec is extremely drivable, and of the traditional top half of the sec, only LSU is more than four hours away.

by chowder on Sep 29, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

So is Denver just out, then? I mean, I guess the Rocky Mountains in December just isn’t a good idea, but Mile High’s a pretty good NFL stadium, no?

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by katster on Sep 29, 2010 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Denver was not mentioned as a possible site in the recent article, so for now it’s been discounted.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 29, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Denver isn’t close for anyone but Colorado, its cold weather, and has the smallest alumni presence for the other universities, save Utah.

by chowder on Sep 29, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention Denver is freezing in December.

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by CaliforniaEternal on Sep 29, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry I'm sure...

..you’ll get at least one snow game at Utah or at Colorado. One of our best Holy War/rival games against that TDS was a blizzard! Nickname: Ice Bowl.

If you are going to rotate & use pods Mile High has to be included.

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by Ravenous Ute on Sep 30, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pacific winds possibly playing a factor.

fuckin…for real?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 29, 2010 5:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t know. I’ve never been to the Coliseum. Does it get windy?

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 29, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares??!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 29, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You seem very upset about this.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 29, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, not really, but I am increasingly in agreement with the SEC people that Pac 10 fans are just plain enormous fairweather pussies.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 29, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don’t understand..

enormous fairweather pussies? does that mean we don’t like any kind of shitty weather.

enormous fairweather fans i understand. and enormous weather pussies i get. but fairweather pussies. no se

by Whiskyrick on Sep 29, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thinkt hat is what he is saying. That if the weather is bad, Pac10 fans stay away. Given the rough weather that affects UW, WSU, UO, OSU, UA, and ASU, I find that to be not so compelling.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 29, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pacific winds possibly playing a factor.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 29, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do, Spazzy. I do.

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by TwistNHook on Sep 29, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not enough to affect football, usually.

by sec119 on Sep 29, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would be happy with either of the first two poll options.

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by norcalnick on Sep 29, 2010 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Hate me for saying this, but I think LA is the way to go. It’s the largest television market and teams always want exposure in the talent-rich southland. Plus, there’s no pro football in LA to compete with.

I know that it might solidify LA as the “New York” of the west, but we already do the Pac-10 basketball tournament at Staples, so why not do football there too? Sure it would favor U$C and UCLA, but flights to the myriad LA airports (LAX, Ontario, Burbank, John Wayne, Long Beach) are relatively reasonable from most cities, which would allow fans to travel there who want to.

As much as I hate this idea, it sort of makes sense to me. I get that it would just perpetuate the stereotype that the rest of the conference has to bow down to the LA schools due to the media and entertainment richness of the greater LA basin, but ultimately what the Pac-12 needs is exposure and placing this game in LA, rather than the Bay Area or Vegas or San Diego or Seattle or Phoenix seems logical to me.

by daveman on Sep 29, 2010 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

the main problem is which stadium? The Colosseum B L O W S monkey balls and we can’t have the game for the Rose Bowl in the Rose Bowl.

If you are going for the big splash of LA you should have the game in SD. Takes away the blatant home field for the LA schools and gets out of the stadium issue.

by Whiskyrick on Sep 29, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that new NFL stadium gets built in LA

then I can almost assure you that the championship game will be there. I am actually a strong supporter of that stadium, but I would rather it go to the team with the best record.

For info on the possible LA NFL stadium:
http://www.losangelesfootballstadium.com

Even if they started construction now, it wouldn’t be done for a couple of years, but it may be something that the Pac-10 is taking into consideration if they choose LA now and play at the Rose Bowl or Coliseum right away.

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by AndyHogan14 on Sep 29, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Home field of the highest seed

Here’s the deal: you want large, enthusiastic crowds for your CCG. You don’t want the ACC nightmare, where the game is played in front of a stadium with 90% empty seats.

Home field offers the large enthusiastic crowd. Visitors must be guaranteed a certain percentage or minimum number of seats, depending on the venue.

If Washington State earns the No. 1 Pac-12 seed, then Pullman it is. They earned the privilege.

And yes, I would just about die if the CCG were ever held at Cal Memorial. Can you imagine what the campus and the city would be like if the CCG was in Berkeley and pitted Cal vs. anyone? It would be freakin’ amazing.

Wow.

by FiatSlug on Sep 29, 2010 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

what about the other team….. One division winner beats the other by a tiebreaker. Maybe that team is Oregon. So now Oregon gets a ridiculous advantage because it won a tiebreaker? Im all for home field advantage but not when we are trying to determine the best team (not the best team when your fans are going crazy 3 feet from the field)

by Whiskyrick on Sep 29, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 29, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a way, such an event could serve as a real teaching moment to non-CFB sports fans for what is mostly an NFL region and could boost ticket sales/ratings.

If Washington were to host such an event, I don’t think they’d lose regardless of their opponent. If they did lose, they won’t go down lightly.

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by carp on Sep 30, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because I didn't read the posts yesterday and am afraid no one will see it:

Better visual explanation of the DDA pod breakdown. Rotations are examples of division breakdowns for championship game determination.




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by PlayClassyBears on Sep 29, 2010 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

To make it relevant to this post

It would be cool to have a rotating site reflective of the split rotations. Almost like the divisions are battling to see who “owns” that territory. Get it?

Like the Rockies Split rotation year would have the championship game be set in one of those states. Almost like a theme. This could help to resolve some of the naming confusion issues around the complexity of the DDA scheme!

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by PlayClassyBears on Sep 29, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

To me its San Diego and there is no other choice. Unless Vegas builds a new 70K stadium we HAVE to hold this game in the whales vagina. It can’t be in LA, i have given reasons above but mostly it has to do with home field for the LA schools. I hate to say this but the LA schools, unless put together in a division, will be in this game more often then other schools ( look at the history of the pac10 ). We have to remember that the game MUST be easy access for LA fans and the fans of other schools that live in the LA area. There are 17,000,000 people in the greater LA area. That’s roughly the population of WA, OR and AZ combined.

by Whiskyrick on Sep 29, 2010 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t think the Pac-10 needs a colossal stadium for the event. I think anything over 55k plus box suites would be sufficient, it simply raises the per ticket price.

by chowder on Sep 29, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

11 game round robin! only have 1 OOC game!

by cruidzoid on Sep 29, 2010 6:54 PM PDT reply actions  

And make it UC Davis every year!

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by TwistNHook on Sep 29, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d prefer a rotation of NFL stadiums. Phoenix, Seattle, and Santa Clara when it comes online.
It’s nice to give the CCG a different feel and all 3 of these locations would allow the game to be well attended.

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by CaliforniaEternal on Sep 29, 2010 8:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Modern NFL stadiums. No garbage like Oakland or SF.

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by CaliforniaEternal on Sep 29, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

or SD.

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by CaliforniaEternal on Sep 29, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

SD is okay

I would like it to go to the team with the best record, but if it were to rotate, I would like Seattle, Phoenix, Santa Clara, and San Diego. The rotation would automatically change from the Murph in SD to a new NFL stadium in LA or SD should they ever get built.

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by AndyHogan14 on Sep 29, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

San Diego would be great, but that Qualcomm is a dump and it would not likely sell out. Maybe Petco Park? How about they have a rotation of baseball stadiums, including Seattle, SF, Anaheim, San Diego, and Phoenix.

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by CaliforniaEternal on Sep 29, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d love Oakland and SF, but only for selfish reasons…. Hey, home field advantage(should we make it).

But, I like San Diego the best. Vegas sounds great, until you’re outside in December in the high desert. Yeah, Qualcomm is a crap stadium, but San Diego, a neutral venue, and it’s a mighty fine city. Plus, for all the kids wanting to party party in Vegas, you can party party in TJ.

by j.lee on Sep 29, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Package

I suspect all three issues of divisions, tv revenue, and location of ccg could be negotiated as a package. The compromise would be something like:

1 North-South divisions
2 Full sharing of TV revenues
3 CCG in LA (or maybe SD)

The virtue of this is that elements 1 and 2 are the right result (even though some schools don’t necessarily like it). I am not so sure of 3, but I can’t be sure that any of the other options are any better. In particular, home field has the most appeal but I fear it could be an unfair advantage (thinking of Autzen) and not sure the visitors will travel very well. The flaws of the others are well identified above.

Maybe the tipping point should be that when the non-Cali schools complain about the North-South divisions, the LA schools say “well since you all want to have games in LA, let’s have the championship game there.”

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by Jake88 on Sep 29, 2010 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I think USC and UCLA will make a fuss about 2, naturally, and I think we need to keep USC happy. I would be OK with nearly-full sharing of TV revenues, with a little bit extra for the SoCal schools. The conference could survive with any members defecting except for USC and perhaps UCLA.

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by carp on Sep 30, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Jake’s right, in that the 3 issues are interconnected and involve political trade-offs. Ideally it would be at a neutral site, but I could live with LA for the reasons you have outlined

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by Cugel on Sep 30, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am very much against LA hosting the game permanently. I am in favor of either earning a home field advantage, or Vegas. Or perhaps, a four cycle featuring Vegas every other year, with San Diego and a northwest game (Seattle or perhaps Vancouver) rotated in. If home field advantage is not employed, I’d prefer at least a somewhat neutral city as it would be more fair, and enhances the Pac-12’s presence in these non-anchor cities.

I also think the preferences for the championship game will change drastically with the divisional breakdown. The zipper makes choosing a particular site more challenging, as anticipating participating fan bases becomes more random. With a north/south, games in Vegas or San Diego can count on having a nearby LA/Bay Area/Arizona team for attendance, or a game in Seattle has a 2/3 chance of including a NW team. This would boost ticket sales. The zipper could allow a Washington – Oregon State matchup forcing both fan bases to travel great distances for the game.

by chowder on Sep 29, 2010 8:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Vancouver!

We could have them play Canadian rules, too!

by iheartmonty on Sep 29, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Angels stadium?

The benefits of the other two LA locations without the drawbacks of being a home field. Tourist facilities are plentiful with Disneyland, etc. It’s not the best football stadium (could they convert it somewhat given the baseball offseason?) but doesn’t duplicate a bowl game like San diego or Vegas would.

by bearkelium on Sep 29, 2010 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Anaheim would love it

Anaheim would instantly be on board, but the Angels control everything with the stadium so it would be interesting to see what Arte Moreno’s (owner) reaction would be if the Pac-10 asked him. Angel Stadium would have the same problems that we are going to encounter next year at AT&T Park . . . it is a baseball stadium first and was bad for football even when it had a football configuration for the Los Angeles Rams (think Candlestick). Also, the capacity of the stadium is 45,000 for baseball and the max they could probably squeeze in there would be 50,000 for football. Sure the location (given the attractions and the abundance of hotels) makes it great, but the lack of a real football stadium makes Anaheim not too viable. Now if that whore who owned the Rams took Anaheim up of their offer for a new football stadium next to Angel Stadium, then we would probably be having a different conversation.

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by AndyHogan14 on Sep 29, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Angels Stadium is bad. It’s shit for baseball (sitting in right field? good luck trying to see center field), and it was shit for football. The only good thing about Angels Stadium I can think of is that it’s like 15 minutes from home (selfish) , you can’t get any closer to the freeways + tailgating for baseball games.

by j.lee on Sep 29, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

VEGAS!

can i change my vote from rotating to Vegas?

particularly if we get really good deals on transportation to and lodging in Vegas
for the week prior
and week after
or maybe for the entire season?

vote = Vegas.

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by nativeson on Sep 29, 2010 9:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Vegas is a total non-starter for me.

1. The stadium is inadequate.
2. The Pac10 should not be having its championship in a non-Pac10 state.
3. Very limited opportunities for students, 85% of whom are not yet 21.

The home field option is the only one that holds any appeal for me. Why shouldn’t the best team get a reward? I would like to ensure we send the best team to the Rose Bowl (or NC).

by Scootie on Sep 29, 2010 10:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Not only is the stadium lame, the access to said stadium is f-ing atrocious. Vegas is a horrible idea.

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by Cugel on Sep 30, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

i’m over 21..

VEGAS!! :D

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by nativeson on Sep 30, 2010 12:40 AM PDT reply actions  

LOL, rec'd just for this!
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by SonofCalifornia on Oct 1, 2010 7:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I’d take LA or Bay Area, or rotate the two. Sorry non-CA states, your states suck!
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by SonofCalifornia on Oct 1, 2010 7:11 PM PDT reply actions  

since the game is basically sending the winner to the rose bowl you just can’t have it in socal. i say do a 3 way rotation of nfl stadiums in san fran, seattle, and arizona. please the masses!

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