Jeff Tedford Will No Longer Disclose Injuries. Good Idea?
After talking about Allen and Mohamed, Tedford proceeded to tell reporters today that he will no longer talk about injuries. "I’m not going to talk about them and let the opponent know who’s playing and who’s not playing. We’re going to keep that under our hats," he said. Obviously, that will make personnel updates harder now, but I will do my best to at least observe who is practicing and who is not — it will just be more difficult to find out what kind of injury a player has and how serious it is.
This is of course a logical step for a head coach to take. Tedford is renowned for being quiet about the severity of injuries. Nate Longshore and his now-infamous ankle is the most famous example, but so is Shane Vereen and his torn meniscus, Covaughn Deboskie-Johnson's arm injury that limited his carries for all of 2009, Jahvid Best playing with a bum ankle the first few weeks of the 2009 season, Syd'Quan Thompson playing with a cast on his hand in 2006...the list goes on. Letting people know how injured a player is can help opposing teams know what to focus on and how to stop it, but it can also give fans the wrong impression as to why our team isn't performing up to snuff.
For those wondering if there are other coaches uneager to talk about health issues, you only have to look across the Bay. Jim Harbaugh is also notoriously tight-lipped when it comes to disclosing injuries. But let's keep in mind that Harbaugh has no irritated fans to answer to (because the Furd has no fans) and move on with this discussion.
This should be rather obvious, but almost all football players are injured to some extent. You see the obvious injuries on the field where people have to play off, but you don't see the aches, the effects from all the hits, etc. I would say injuries in college football are drastically underreported. A lot of football players are playing hurt, but they suck it up and play without it going reported.
However, they often incur the wrath of their fans, who aren't usually keeping track of these injuries. How many people were aware of the severity of Longshore's injury in 2007? Or wondered why we ran Vereen into the ground in 2009 because Deboskie-Johnson had an arm injury? Or that Squid had that cast on his hand Only those who followed the team closely probably knew for sure--the rest assumed that he was just regressing as a player.
This is why I'm a little wary of Tedford's injury policy. We were told all week that Mike Mohamed would play, but I was very concerned the moment I heard he was being held out of practice. When a player isn't playing during the week, you have to presume it's serious enough that he's risking further injury by playing. Especially toe injuries, which are so unpredictable.
We were all wondering why Keenan Allen wasn't getting enough touches during the game. If not for a random tidbit from a message board about some Saturday morning telecast no one seems to watch, I might not have even known he was limping around. It would explain why he had trouble handling Kevin Riley's high pass on the interception and couldn't run down Riley's deep throw to the end zone.
Anyway, my big point is that while not disclosing player injuries might make it harder for teams to gameplan against us, it will also make our fans who've been kept in the dark about our team's injury troubles MUCH angrier about performances like Friday night in Reno, and some of that will filter down to unfairly criticizing the players.
How many people really had time to process Mohamed wouldn't be playing? There was no official announcement beforehand. Did any of the Cal fans in the stands recognize that he wasn't on the field? And wouldn't some updates on Keenan Allen's status have helped?
And it's not quite clear how much of an advantage that allows for our team. I'd expect Nevada was playing with the expectation that Mohamed would play, but when he didn't, the Wolf Pack seemed to call a lot of their plays to exploit the side of the field where his replacement was. The Pistol offense is a very simple one, and it doesn't require much offensive adjustment to exploit the team. The Airraid attack we'll see in Tucson this week is very similar--quick to adjust to personnel changes.
That's why I fear this idea not to disclose injuries will backfire. Jeff Tedford has been known to be very secretive and restrictive of how much access the media gets to his program. This decision to close off injury reporting will enhance that perception (fairly or unfairly), especially after a big-time loss.
Unless he starts winning, that is. Then all will be forgiven.
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that we should use our lack of knowledge as a way to stop blasting the players in the first place. I’m not talking sunshine pumping, but the blasting that is really disproportionate to their actual play. Also, the injuries are listed more for the gamblers to set the line rather than our genuine interest.
by BlackandOldGold on Sep 20, 2010 8:26 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Well of course that's what we should aim for
But that’s never what happens. Most fans see what happens on the field and we react immediately. If they don’t know who’s injured, they might trash players negatively or question the coaching on the field without having the proper set of facts available to them.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 20, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I hearby
Promise to not overreact when something doesn’t go our team’s way and blame the players. Instead giving the benefit of the doubt that 1) they could be injured or 2) maybe the other player is actually better than our guy! ::Gasp::
Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"
by PlayClassyBears on Sep 21, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Were it an option, I would have voted ‘I don’t care.’
Strangely, it would be in Tedford’s best interest politically to disclose all injuries, thus offering a plausible reason for certain struggles. I’m not convinced that hiding injuries makes a big difference on Saturdays, but I guess Tedford believes it. Eh.
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If someone’s out, I say to publicize it. Win with who you have.
Hey, did I miss this week’s report card? Or are we all too depressed to fill one out?
I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.
It’s too late. We’ve already put together the report card post. You’ll have to wait until next week, which hopefully will be a happier report card to fill out.
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach
Secret ballot?
While I’m sure it was presented while I was drinking myself out of my misery after the game (yes, WELL after the game……into Saturday morning……) I’m not sure how I missed it.
For what it’s worth (and if you’re still reading this post then it’s worth SOMETHING to you) I give the coaching a D-. No halftime adjustment whatsoever to stop that which was killing us. I put that 90% on Clancy, 10% on Tedford cause he should have asked “what’s the second-half adjustment?” and then made sure it happened.
I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.
Jim does not like this new philosophy.
No sir.
Ask not what you can do for your hubris, ask what your hubris can do for you...
Jim, that’s YOUR philosophy.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 20, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Jim is full of self-loathing
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer - I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me going."- Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions head coach
Jim does not like TEDFORD initiating this philosophy.
Ask not what you can do for your hubris, ask what your hubris can do for you...
by Jim Harbaugh on Sep 21, 2010 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, who cares?
Just the hard-core gamblers. And if they’re betting on Cal games, they’re gonna be broke anyway.
With all the new regs on health/safety/privacy, I’m not surprised if Coach Tedford was advised to play it safe.
It’s not like this is anything new. No one knew about Shane’s damaged meniscus until after the season. Do you really want the other team to game-plan knowing that some of our key guys are recovering from x, y, z?
Let’s just go play ball. The injury report shouldn’t be disclosed pre-game except for the minimum info required by the rules. Post-game is okay. Non. Issue.
Old Toothwrangler
Did any of the Cal fans in the stands recognize that he wasn’t on the field?
Yes, it was recognized and discussed.
Today's the day the California Golden Bears have their picnic.
There are people who voted "bad idea"
Where are you? Come out of the woodwork and voice your opinions! We don’t bite.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 20, 2010 9:43 PM PDT reply actions
I didn't vote
I would have voted for something like “it’s a stupid idea, and I don’t care.”
Personally, I think Tedford is way too paranoid for his own good. Nevada not knowing about Mohammed/Allen’s injuries certainly didn’t seem to have much of an impact on this game. If I were Tedford, I would be more concerned with our defense showing no discipline to contain the qb keeper on the option, and our qb (Tedford’s own area of expertise) who, as a 5th year senior, continues to display little poise or savy. Closing practices, witholding information…this is all a distraction from the actual problems with the program.
Of course, as you say, if we win at Arizona (and then put together a good season) all is forgiven.
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by CBKWit on Sep 20, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Closing practices, witholding information…this is all a distraction from the actual problems with the program.
agree. i continue to feel this same way about the coaches shushing the band after a big offensive play or forced turnover. it’s not the actual problem.
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by GoldBlooded on Sep 21, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
not to pile on, but it’s kind of disconcerting that often Tedford deal’s with adversity with something like this. We have no idea what’s going on in practice, and I am sure that he and his staff are making adjustments…but publicly, the big change after this shellacking is not disclosing injuries to the public. Yeah, I’m sure that will prevent future 3 touchdown losses.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 21, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I bite
Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"
by PlayClassyBears on Sep 21, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I picked "It's a good idea, but I don't like it" ...
…only because I’m nosy. Tedford probably has a point about keeping things under wraps.
I think Tedford should make up fake injuries to fool the opposing team.
by atomsareenough on Sep 20, 2010 10:39 PM PDT reply actions
Cameron Jordan, broken buzzcut! Out six to eight hours in barber shop.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Sep 20, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly what I was thinking. Practicing for a player who doesn’t suit up won’t really affect the opposing team. But if the opposing team doesn’t practice for a player who does suit up, now that could have a noticeable effect.
Though, I felt dirty enough when he was icing the kicker.
by JohnnyCalifornia on Sep 21, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it legal to have teammates where injured players numbers?
We sure would have confused Nevada if 6-6 Browner was wearing #18…hey wasn’t that dude a bit smaller…and whiter??
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by PlayClassyBears on Sep 21, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Oops *wear
Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"
by PlayClassyBears on Sep 21, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Like Cal fans don’t have anything to be angry about already. People getting mad at the players b/c of their subpar performances are those that will always find something to be upset about. There’s the fans who are disappointed with a players’ performance but will always root for them, and those who are just angry period and will talk down on a player if they have a bad game.
Maybe Tedfords trying to do everything possible to piss off these fans and get them as angry as possible so they all eventually leave. What a genius.
I’m for a super duper paranoid Tedford that gives FAKE injury reports so the other team can’t prepare at all. Mind games baby.
Cal fans don’t have a right to know that information although I’m sure a lot think that they do. What really isn’t discussed here is the player’s confidentiality. I can’t remember where I heard this, but the players apparently can choose to have the school (and thus the coaches) not disclose their injuries to the public as a part of the physician/client duty of confidentiality.
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Exactly. There’s been a huge change in state/federal policies regarding the disclosure of personal info, (ie. injuries) over the past few years. If the majority of the team prefers not to have their injuries disclosed anyway, he may just be making a public statement to protect the players from having the media pester them.
Old Toothwrangler
The Sharks do something like this (“so and so has an upper body injury”).
What gets me is this: Are we trying to alienate our fanbase, or actually try to sell out Memorial Stadium on a week-by-week basis? While winning is vital, having a bloody clue in many facets of the program helps fans stay interested. We have piss poor media coverage in the nation’s 5th largest market. Some of that, a good effin chunk of that, is on the university.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
All hockey teams are purposely vague with injuries
because that way opposing teams can’t target the elbow or ankle that’s injured. Standard operating procedure.
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I agree totally but not so much related to the not-disclosing injuries case. It’s like we’re actively trying to get fans to go away.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Sep 21, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Roll on you bears
Jeff Tedford = danzig





"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
There is Hidden Motive that Tedford is not discussing
As well all know, Tedford is a very classy coach based on what opponents say and from what can be gathered in the media. If you have ever interacted with him, you can tell within the first minute that’s a good guy. He rarely speaks ill of his own players and coaches. That being said, he’s not going to say anything to offend the opponent.
If Tedford was openly disclosing injuries in detail, he would essentially be giving opponents targets to go after. This may come as a shock to some of you, but other programs and players are dirty. Does anybody remember the SC player “massaging” Echemandu’s nuts in the 2003 game in a pile once the play was over? There’s a lot of other nasty stuff that goes on in piles so why would a coach want to put one of his players at risk by disclosing an injury? “Hey Utah! Shane has a torn meniscus. Be gentle with him when you tackle him!” or how about “Matt Summers-Gavin has a bum …… leg. Make sure none of you guys hit that leg!” You can bet the classless players and teams will go straight after those injuries.
So it’s just not Tedford trying to hold a competitive advantage. There is more than meets the eye.
by Cali49a on Sep 21, 2010 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
If there is one thing I know about the Cal fanbase once they’ve made up their mind about completely unreasonable allegations regarding paranoia, they will, in every way, listen to reason about further reasons underlying this decision. So, it’ll be OK.
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Paranoid?
Who said I was paranoid? Did someone tell you I was being paranoid? Who was it? Well? Who? I’m not being paranoid. I’m not. Really. Did someone say I was?
Say it like Ron Burgandy signing off: "Stay Classy, Bears!"
by PlayClassyBears on Sep 21, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
"Other programs are dirty"
This is soooo true.
Let me tell a story from my time with the team. I remember one day during a practice I was talking with some of the SMI (student medical interns). They were talking about how they were going to have to wrap up a players either arm or ankle for the game, and how they were going to do both arms/ankles even though both weren’t injured. It didn’t occur to me why at first, and so I inquired. The point of wrapping both arms/ankles is so that the other team doesn’t know which one is the injured arm/ankle and so there is now a 50% chance of the opponents purposely pulling/bending/scratching/gouging/hitting the injured body part. Some nearby players overhearing our conversation sort of threw in their two cents and agreed that a lot of dirty stuff sometimes goes on in those piles. As Cali49a already pointed out, U$C scum were “massaging” Echemandu’s nuts in the 2003 game.
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The Last Straw
So THAT’s why Cal lost, because of the injury reports. Well, that explains it. And here I was, thinking we lost because of the coaching that stunk up the joint.
Silly me.
Wonder what excuse JT will come up with at the next loss. Perhaps if he subtracted a zero from the end of his paycheck, the terrible coaching wouldn’t be so hard to take.
Sure, we know (by now) that Tedford will never take a Cal team to the Rose Bowl, and that’s OK. But when his team takes the field acting like they are completely unfamiliar with the whole football thing; that they’ve never seen a football before, THEN it tends to make reasonable folks wonder why in hell we’re paying him a paycheck at all.
For me, THAT game was the last damn straw. Whoever is recruiting for Cal, we keep. Every other coach, we fire. With as much humiliation as possible.
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Sorry, I couldn’t disagree with you more.
The injury policy and the game performance are two separate issues. The news release on the injury policy was offered as an explanation for why Mohammed and Allen’s issues were not previously disclosed. It was not offered as an excuse for the admittedly woeful game. Subsequent interviews with players and coaches reveal that the coaches feel they were both out-coached(scheme) and out-executed. Many players have said that there was nothing wrong with the schemes, they just made too many mistakes. No one blamed the injuries nor the injury reports.
it tends to make reasonable folks wonder why in hell we’re paying him a paycheck at all.
If I see any, I’ll tell them that he’s now the all-time leader in career wins at Cal. He’s won more games during his tenure than we have the last several decades. We are lucky to have him.
Am I disappointed with the team’s performance and preparation? Sure. I’m certainly with you there. But, I think it’s a little premature to throw the coach and his staff out with the bathwater. Careful reading of his post-game interviews and subsequent press conferences show that he’s being pretty candid with taking the blame for their collective failures in the previous game.
Old Toothwrangler
Doesn’t Nike cover most of his salary anyway?
by atomsareenough on Sep 23, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions

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