CGB Blogpoll Top 25 Ballot - Week 3
Last week's surprising results pose one of the most interesting questions for college football poll voters in quite some time: what do we do with Boise State? How much do we still value Boise State's Labor Day victory over Virginia Tech, now that VT went home and proceeded to lose to I-AA James Madison? Is JMU actually really good? Or is Virginia Tech terrible? What do we do?
As you can see, we at CGB decided to drop the Broncos four spots to number five. Not a precipitous drop, but climbing back up those final four rungs may prove beyond the ability of Boise's remaining schedule.
The California Golden Blogs Ballot - Week 3
| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Alabama Crimson Tide | 2 |
| 2 | Ohio St. Buckeyes | 4 |
| 3 | TCU Horned Frogs | -1 |
| 4 | Oregon Ducks | -- |
| 5 | Boise St. Broncos | -4 |
| 6 | Oklahoma Sooners | 11 |
| 7 | Utah Utes | -2 |
| 8 | Texas Longhorns | -1 |
| 9 | Iowa Hawkeyes | 2 |
| 10 | Nebraska Cornhuskers | -2 |
| 11 | LSU Tigers | -1 |
| 12 | South Carolina Gamecocks | -- |
| 13 | Florida Gators | 1 |
| 14 | Wisconsin Badgers | -2 |
| 15 | Michigan Wolverines | 8 |
| 16 | Arizona Wildcats | 3 |
| 17 | Arkansas Razorbacks | 1 |
| 18 | Miami Hurricanes | -3 |
| 19 | Stanford Cardinal | -- |
| 20 | Auburn Tigers | -- |
| 21 | California Golden Bears | -- |
| 22 | Air Force Falcons | -- |
| 23 | USC Trojans | -10 |
| 24 | Oregon St. Beavers | -- |
| 25 | Pittsburgh Panthers | -3 |
| Dropouts: BYU Cougars, Virginia Tech Hokies, Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, Florida St. Seminoles, Penn St. Nittany Lions, Fresno St. Bulldogs | ||
SB Nation BlogPoll College Football Top 25 Rankings "
More discussion and some justifications after the jump.
Yellow Fever: I'm willing to give Boise State the benefit of the doubt for now since I don't want to completely wipe away what they accomplished either in DC or previous years, and they were impressive (and Virginia Tech looked a lot better in that game than they did against JMU).
ragnarok: I kinda feel the same way. For those of us who watched Boise's win over VT, it's a little harder to downgrade them as far, because Boise did look like a very good team in beating Tech, however good the Hokies might end up being. It's also worth pointing out, too, that VaTech was coming off a deflating loss on national TV with only four days off in between. Still -- James Madison?!?
Berkelium97: Virginia Tech will not receive a top-25 vote from me unless they run the table in the ACC. Top-25 teams do not lose at home to James Madison. That said, Boise State’s win looks much less impressive.
Norcalnick: Boise's situation immediately becomes similar to every other team on the ballot - they no longer have a win to point to and say 'That is our proof that we are an elite team.' I moved them from first to seventh based on the devaluation of the Virginia Tech win, and they would have assuredly fallen further if they didn't have a body of evidence in past seasons of talent. But unless they author a complete beat down of Oregon St. they will have an incredibly difficult time rising in my ballot over the rest of the season.
Thank goodness Boise is moving to the MWC next year, which should provide them a decent enough schedule that their national worth isn't dependent on their ability to schedule good teams and have them hold up their end of the bargain by not LOSING TO JAMES MADISON!!! Boise St., to their credit, has attempted to schedule marquee, difficult games. I don't want to punish them because Virginia Tech may suck, but it would be even more unfair to reward them when they haven't earned it. Unfair? Perhaps, but that's the reality of college football in the BCS era.
ragnarok: You know, however, even had Virginia Tech managed to win, I might still have dropped Boise, simply because while after week one, neither Alabama nor Ohio State had a great win they could hang their hat on, they both do now after week two. Last week, I felt like the Broncos had the best partial resume in the country, and now they don't. Dropping them is as simple as that.
Moving on to other teams...
Norcalnick: I only feel like the first 16 teams on my ballot deserve a spot based on an established reputation and/or actual results. This is the week when wimpy non-conference scheduling makes ranking the hardest. So few teams have played a game that gives you an idea that they might be good. But plenty of teams have struggled or even lost to competition that makes them unrankable. And that's how you end up with Penn St. and Miami holding on to a spot in the poll despite losses and Cal and Fresno St. finding spots at the bottom. I don't want to rank any of them, but who has proved themselves? Arizona St, by beating two FCS teams?!? Auburn, by knocking off Arkansas St. and struggling beating MSU by 3? Texas A&M, for winning two body bag games? There's enough data to make you question every single pre-season assumption, but not enough data to really evaluate a team or create a relevant resume. Why did I volunteer to do this?!?
ragnarok: Ha, this is my fourth season doing the BlogPoll now, and the more you do this ranking exercise, week in and week out, the more you realize just how difficult it is to come up with a completely justifiable ballot.
Berkelium97: I considered moving Oklahoma into the top-3, but that narrow victory over Utah State still hurts them. Florida has stumbled two weeks in a row—no more top-15 ranking for them. And West Virginia was bumped from the top-25 after a lackluster showing at Marshall.
ragnarok: I might not have penalized West Virgina that much for struggling on the road at an in-state rival, but then, I didn't even rank the Mountaineers last week, so I saw no reason to do so this week.
Yellow Fever: I'm reluctant to drop USC out completely because they did end up winning, though they obviously could have been more impressive in doing so.
Berkelium97: USC is not top-25 material. At this point, they look like they’re on the same tier as ASU and Washington in the Pac-10.
ragnarok: I ranked the Trojans, but in no way did I feel good about it. I'm definitely with Nick on there being a dearth of Top-25 worthy resumes out there right now.
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i tried not to. i really really did
but the blame spreads easily — Cal appeared on the ballots of all four (YF, Berk97, Nick and myself) of us.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Aw, Jeez
Great. A top-25 ranking. Well, we’ll always have this torrent of the Colorado beat-down to go back to after getting upset by the FCS bruins.
Hey, Ucla -
1. Get your own colors
2. Get your own fight song
3. GET A REAL BEAR!
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because Boise did look like a very good team in beating Tech, however good the Hokies might end up being.
Is this supposed to be a performance-based ranking or a power ranking?
Brian Cook doesn’t give us a whole lot of direction for the BlogPoll, but he does give us this:
The BlogPoll’s concept of the best team in a sentence: the BlogPoll attempts to rank teams in order of season quality. This is impossible to do before the season and silly to do in the first few weeks, and at these times the poll should be regarded as an approximate guess of which teams will end the year with the highest season quality.
Personally, I feel like our Top-25 should be a performance-based, but at this point in the season, there is, as Brian points out, very little performance to go on. So, I was impressed by Boise’s win at Virginia Tech, but I’m not quite sure yet how impressed I should be.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
The age old story...
…any rankings before Oct.1 are fundamentally indistinguishable from hiring a bonobo to throw feces at a list of names.
(Oddly enough, I think this is a big part of the Vandy recruiting process…)
Right now, honestly? I would put Oregon #1, as they have the best road win. (Yes, Tennessee is godawful, but coming from behind in front of 102,000 HFCS-crazed rednecks is not to be scoffed at, especially when one drives a big industrial tanker truck of Whoop Ass into the stadium in the 2nd half.)
If Cal gives Nevada and Arizona the wood shampoo in succession, it might be time to consider the possibility that this team is all right…
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
If Cal gives Nevada and Arizona the wood shampoo in succession, it might be time to consider the possibility that this team is all right…
I suppose if this happens then maybe we could begin to consider the hypothetical conjecture of admitting the chance that there is a potential that we could suppose that Cal may possibly be not bad.
I’ll accept that.
Hey, Ucla -
1. Get your own colors
2. Get your own fight song
3. GET A REAL BEAR!
by SoCal Oski on Sep 13, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
That said, Boise State’s win looks much less impressive.
Isn’t “That said” usually used for contradictory points?
Anyway, I think at this point you either believe Boise can hang with the big boys and deserves a shot, or you don’t. All this hand-wringing about the Va Tech win is more or less beside the point.
Poll rankings are both meaningless and deterministic
I have always contended that one of the best and worst things about College Football are the polls. As a fan it’s fun to speculate who is the best and make arguments as to why you think that is. But that’s all it is: conjecture. Even head-to-head match-ups can have very different results depending on when in the season the game is played. Some teams start hot and trend down (Big Ten anyone?) some teams start slow and finish nearly unbeatable (Oregon State carries this distinction unlike any other FBS team).
My biggest problem with polls however is how they screw over deserving teams. Coaches often say “it’s only the last poll that matters.” But that’s not true. All the previous polls are causally linked to the final poll. why? Because human beings are stupid. We think we know everything and we rationalize that we have it right even when hard data tells us we don’t.
I love the polls because it stirs up talk about College Football (one of my favorite topics). But I don’t think the polls should have anything to do with determining who is the best until the very end of the season…and even then I hesitate putting humans in charge (let alone humans who have a conflict of interest: I’m looking at YOU Coaches and local sports writers!!!!).
So…my whole point is: Polls are great fun! But don’t you dare rely on them to reliably figure out who is the best!!!
R.I.P. Boise State’s BCS title hopes
by PlayClassyBears on Sep 13, 2010 9:51 AM PDT reply actions
Because human beings are stupid.
All I can say in my defense is that, when I come up with my own personal Top 25, I never even look at my previous week’s ballot, so I’m less likely to carry my stupidity over from week to week.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
New CGB tagline:
New week – same stupidity!
Hey, Ucla -
1. Get your own colors
2. Get your own fight song
3. GET A REAL BEAR!
by SoCal Oski on Sep 13, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
in college basketball they try to use math – I think it is called RPI or something. Is that possible in fooball (or too small a sample size)?
jh
without going into the flaws in RPI (and there are definitely flaws), the small sample size in football does make it tough to come up with some reliable data. even in college basketball, RPI numbers are generally not very reliable before sometime in January anyway.
in terms of the BlogPoll, we as voters are instructed that we can’t simply return the result of some computer model, although we are allowed to use one to guide our ballot construction.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

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