Re-Opening Old Wounds, Revisiting 2009 Cal @ Oregon Part I: The DL Zone Read
I'm back. Where have I been? Attempting to make something of my life. Now I'm a bum again, and should have more time to write stuff. Hopefully. In deciding what to write about, I was inspired by reading Avinash's post comparing Pendergast to Gregory. Of course, any talk about Gregory wouldn't be complete without including the words "soft zones," "3 man rush," "bend but don't break," " passive," "idiot," "jackass," "dumb-ass," or "stupid fucker." I mean seriously, reading some of the stuff people say about the guy, you'd think he had an IQ of a rock.
So I decided, after a whopping 10 months since the Cal @ Oregon game, to flip on my tivo, and take a look at the game again. But not until I had first drank a six pack of beer to numb myself.
What was I looking for? Anything. I just looked at Oregon's offense versus Cal's defense. I wanted to know what was going on, other than "Dickson caught a lot of passes," Gregory doesn't "cover the tight end," and Cal just plays a ton of "soft zones."
The subject of this post is Oregon's zone read of the defense tackle instead of the defensive end. This isn't a huge deal. But before you just ignore my upcoming essay after the jump, I urge you to stick with it, because this might be mildly interesting. So here we go...
As you all probably know, when an offense executes a zone read, they typically read the defensive end. If you have no clue what I'm talking about, here's an old post of mine demonstrating Cal running the zone read against Tennessee.
I've heard Oregon will sometimes read the defensive tackle (DT) or nose tackle (NT) instead. So when I started re-watching the game, it was something I looked out for. And what do you know, in the first quarter of the game only, Oregon ran this play at us. Here it is.
Above is the pre-snap formation.
Oregon has 11 personnel out on the field (3 WRs, 1 TE, 1 RB). "11 personnel" should not be confused with "11 players" or "11 people" on the field. Cal counters with its base 3-4 defense.
Here's the post-snap picture. Note that the Oregon offensive line has parted ways faster than Reggie Bush and U$C, and they have left unblocked Cal's nose tackle (NT).
Oregon is running a zone read. The QB will either hand off the ball to the RB should the unblocked defense -- the NT -- pursue the QB, or keep the ball and run in the other direction should the NT pursue the RB.
Oregon's QB, Masoli, reads the DT (represented by the green line). Cal's NT, freezes, and doesn't bite on either the RB or the QB. I'll talk more about this later, but that's the right thing to do.
Oregon's QB then decides to hand off the ball to the RB. Cal's defense stops the RB for little gain. That's cool, but not that interesting.
What is interesting is this. It appears as if Oregon's offensive line is utilizing both a man blocking scheme, as well as zone blocking scheme. On the backside, the side to which the run is *not* going (offense's left), the Oregon left guard (LG) and the left tackle (LT) will man block. The LT will pin the defensive end (DE) inside, thus sealing off the defender from the outside should the QB have kept the ball and run to the offense's left, and the LG pulls around. I've demonstrated this above.
On the playside, the side to which the run is going, the offensive line is zone blocking. The center (C), right guard (RG), right tackle (RT), and tight end (TE) flow to the right and block any defenders in their zones to their direction. Hey now, that's pretty cool.
What's also pretty cool is this. The Oregon WR to the bottom of the screen is looking towards the QB. What's he doing?! Why isn't he blocking the Cal cornerback (CB)?
The idiot is watching the QB! What is he doing???
He's not an idiot. What he is doing is by design and not out of laziness. Let's just say the Cal CB jumps into the backfield in an attempt to stop the QB (assuming that the QB had kept the ball instead of handing it off to the RB). Then that would leave the WR wide freakin' open, for an easy pass and easy gain. Hey now, now that is pretty cool.
Conclusion:
I think this one play demonstrates some of the really cool intricacies of the Oregon offense. This one play has three, I repeat, THREE different options. First, the QB can hand off the ball to the RB, who will run behind the zone blocking to the strong side of the formation (the side with the TE). Second, the QB can keep the ball and run the ball to the weakside (the side opposite of the TE). Third, the QB can even pass the ball to the WR should the CB fail to cover the WR in an attempt to tackle the QB. In other words, this play is a triple-option. Not a triple-option in the traditional sense (Fullback dive, QB keeps, QB pitches to RB), but a triple-option nonetheless.
Furthermore, blocking the DE, and instead reading the DT or NT can surprise the defense, especially the DT or NT who gets read. Typically, he's not used to being that guy that the offense reads and may not react properly to what's before him. So how does one properly react to getting read in a zone read?
Well, if the defense is running a scrape-exchange to defend the zone read, then the defender getting read just pursues the RB threat, and a linebacker (LB) will swing around to the weakside and cover the QB should the QB decide to keep the ball. Cal does not run a scrape-exchange.
If a defense isn't running a scrape-exchange, then the defender getting read merely just has to sit tight, wait to see what the QB does with the ball, then pursue the ball carrier (whomever it may be).
And we only have to watch THE VERY NEXT PLAY to get a great example of this.
Yup, Oregon RAN THE VERY SAME PLAY AGAIN TWICE IN A ROW. Let's take a look.
The DL Zone Read: Addendum
Above is the pre-snap read. The first thing you should notice, when analyzing film is the formation. FORMATION, FORMATION, FORMATION. Notice anything? Oh yeah, it's the same formation as the previous play. An astute observer might say in fact it's not the same because it's flipped, but it is the same formation! Don't get smart with me.
Here's the post-snap picture. Again, Oregon's offensive line parts like the Red Sea leaving Cal's NT unblocked.
Again, the Oregon QB reads the NT to see whether to hand the ball off to the RB or keep it and run with it himself.
Again, note the Oregon WR to the backside turning towards the QB and looking for the ball just in case the CB doesn't cover him and instead jumps into the backfield to play run support.
Now getting back to how to defend the zone read. Like I said, if the defense is running a scrape-exchange, then the defender getting read should pursue the RB. Cal doesn't do this. So what the defender is supposed to do is just freeze, see what the QB does, then pursue the ball carrier. That's exactly what the Cal defender in this play does. He freezes. Sees that the QB keeps the ball, then pursues the QB (yellow line).
Also note that at the point of attack, there are four defenders on four offensive players.
(1) is WR vs. CB.
(2) is RG vs. DE.
(3) is RT vs. LB.
(4) is QB vs. NT.
I've put yellow ovals around the offensive and defensive players that are locked up in battle. Thus, it is very important for the defender who is getting read, to NOT get faked and to pursue the offensive player who actually has the ball.
Because if the defender getting read gets faked out and pursues the offensive player who does not have the ball, like I've demonstrated above. Then...
This happens. A gigantic running lane appears for the QB to run through (green triangle). Ya dig?
Conclusion:
So Oregon ran basically the same play against us two plays in a row. Actually, the second play was slightly different, in that the second play didn't involve a pulling offensive lineman (the RG in that instance). It seems as if either the blocking scheme was different for the second play, or the determination whether the guard pulls or not is in response to where the defenders are lined up. Nevertheless though, despite the minor differences in blocking schemes, it was the exact same play. Twice in a row.
This is actually a theme that you'll see in the remaining posts of this series: Oregon offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich running the same play again ... and again.
Be sure to check back for more posts on this game.
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So is this an indictment of the players for not executing the defense correctly, or was this on Gregory for not having the team adequately prepared? I know we’re sunshine pumpers and all, but the fact that the NT correctly froze in the first play seems to point to an awareness of what the offense was trying to do – and then correct execution in being able to stop the run for a short gain.
If a defender gets faked out on the very next play – to what do we attribute that? Bad awareness by the NT, a good fake by Masoli, Gregory lighting his play chart on fire? I mean, it is the exact same play.
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The NT didn’t bite on the fake in example #2. The last two photos of him going to the RB look like photoshops to show what would happen had the NT bit on the play action fake and went with the RB. We don’t know how this play ends up (based on the game we probably got gashed…).
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
aaaaaaaah
sweet sweet football tactical analysis. it brings a tear to my eye seeing this again. Gimme gimme gimme.
Absolutely love these. Couple of questions?
why did Cal use a 3-4 when there against the 11 personnel, especially when their TE is so good? What would have happened if Cal had 4 rushers near the line of scrimmage?
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I’ll probably defer to Hydro’s opinion on this if/when he weighs in, but I don’t think teams ever really change between a 3-4 or 4-3 depending on how good the opposing team’s TE is. And if we did have 4 DL, they’d probably either read the DE like most zone read schemes, or read the DT on that side.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. Oregon will also read LBs, which happens often on a 3-4 set. So the read doesn’t always take place on the line.
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I’m OK with the 3-4, but I would have rather seen 1 or more LB’s closer to the ball. Oregon’s O-line, of course, had the upper hand; they only blocked two of the 3 rushers leaving 3 O-linemen and 1 TE to take on DB’s and LB’s (sounds like a favorable matchup for Oregon)…if you have 4 guys to account for, then it feels as if there would only be 2-O-linemen and 1 TE for that secondary-level blocking.
My point about the 11 personnel, is why didn’t Cal defend it more often with a nickel set in (i.e., 3-3-5 or 4-2-5)? Also, why did it appear there would be 3 WR’s off to one side, with only a CB and an LB within the first 7 yards or so. They killed us with those dink and dunk screens.
I think I would have liked to see Syd shadowing Jeff Maehl all game (mano a mano), your favorite other CB at that time on their #2 WR, and a 3rd safety on their #3 for mostly defending the WR screen and for run support. I would line up all DB’s guarding receivers within 5 yards of the LOS. I’d put Kendricks (not Eddie Young) on Ed Dickson, and have safety help should he be goin’ deep. The other safety could help out with CB #2 and/or the 3rd safety. Both safeties should be within 10-12 yards of the LOS. This leaves Mike Mohamed and Eddie Young (who was supposedly good at stopping the run) to play the run first or blitz.
An overarching theme with this game was that a) the planned defense wasn’t working and b) adjustments, if attempted, weren’t successful.
Additionally, Oregon’s offense is challenging to stop when it’s clicking, but I’m not sure just any ol’ QB can run it.
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Playing up on the WRs takes your DBs out of the play because they are easier to block. Gregory for all his faults always kept his guys ready to adjust to and attack the run. Makes sense though, If you play 7+ yards off you can still escape a block, but still have time to react to a 20-30 yard pass going your way. The major problem for Cal with this scheme was that Masoli actually executed SUPERBLY. Gregory’s mentality is stop the run make them hit their passes. Masoli made his passes and then some. Wasn’t he 21 for 25?
by PlayClassyBears on Aug 25, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Also worth mentioning was that this wasn’t an unreasonable idea going into the game either. Masoli had been absolutely terrible throwing the ball going into this game.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
…QB’s had a habit of doing that against us last year…
by bluehenbear on Aug 26, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
That's the Problem with 3-4
Masoli had terrible rhythm because the other defenses he faced ran a 4-3, and could get pressure on him.
As noted in Hydro’s analysis, the correct move for the free NT is to freeze when he breaks through. This gives the offense time to do what it wants to do, and therefore, Masoli was in no way under pressure the entire game.
I too would like to see a hypothetical on the correct way to deal with Oregon’s attack under a 4-3.
I’m not so sure that’s a problem with the 3-4 specifically – the offense reads the DE in a 4-3 alignment, and there, the correct move is for the DE to freeze too. It gives the offense time to do what it wants to do in the same way that a team always has the option to run or pass before the defense gets there.
If the DT went after Masoli hard and forced him to make a decision, all he would have to do is either hand it off to James in the other direction if the DT was going after him, or keep it himself if the DT went after James. That’s the whole point. Trying to put any pressure on Masoli would just put the DT further out of position when Masoli did make that decision.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
As of late, Kelly’s teams have also read the 4-3 DT. Because Oregon’s linemen are so small and can hardly keep a beast like Stephen Paea or Jurrell Casey out of the backfield even if they did block them, they unblock them and force them to read the play. See the obliteration of USC and the Civil War last year for evidence.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 25, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Oregon will still read DTs in a 4-3 alignment.
The best defense I’ve seen is where the DE will sit and watch the play develop, like what the DT did in the first play – the QB will hand off the ball nearly every time in this scenario. Now on the other opposite side of the read, they would blitz and attack the gaps.
Essentially, you want to blitz where the RB would run, and not open up a big play for the QB. Oregon counters this by shifting the direction the RB will run, just prior to the snap – and defenses usually won’t be able to fully react.
Discipline and proper assignment is the key for any defense against Oregon. Single player heroics won’t have much success.
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Discipline and proper assignment is the key for any defense against Oregon
Same advice goes for any defense attorney representing Oregon’s offensive stars, no?
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by CBKWit on Aug 25, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
the other thing about Masoli is that
he’s a much much better thrower when in rhythm. the year before, in the rain, the defense was able to disrupt his ability to throw on time, and he was awful.
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by Rocksanddirt on Aug 25, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah I get some of that, I still don’t understand how one CB and one LB (with presumably a safety hella deeper) within 7 yards of three receivers is going to be excellent defense against the run or screen. To me it sounds like WIDE &**%(%(# OPEN.
If I recall, it didn’t seem like the dudes who caught the 21 passes weren’t ‘tightly defended.’ I got the feeling like nobody knew WTF was going on for the last 3 quarters.
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Well yeah, that is pretty much wide the fuck open. That’s what the Cowboys did to Asante Samuel all day to end the Eagles’ season last year. For what it’s worth, the Eagles at least seem to agree with you since they’ve been trying to get him to play up and more press coverage to take away that option.
But of the 25 passes that Oregon completed (including four by Costa), only 11 went to wide receivers, and they went for a total of 90 yards. Which isn’t insignificant, but you could understand how the team would be more worried about the run option between Masoli and James than the prospect of a few dumpoffs.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
This is something I’ll address later in the series, but I believe that Gregory stuck with the 3-4 formation and personnel against Oregon’s 11 personnel because of the huge run threat. Gregory wanted his best run stoppers (4 linebackers) on the field rather than subbing for a CB and going to the 3-3 nickel or some other defensive set.
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I’m under the impression that at both the college and NFL level, teams tend to stick with their base D against 11 personnel (at least until 3rd down)…
by Missing Barry on Aug 26, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, a lot of teams run single-back, where they still run despite 3 WRs on the field and without a fullback. So the run threat is still there even with 11 personnel, yes.
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cool post. I always wondered how Ohio State did so well against their fancy pants offense. Was it cos of they were able to the scrap-exchange?
It’s because tOSU played disciplined defense for the most part (very few mistakes), had Oregon well scouted, had the talent to execute their game plan, and forced Oregon to throw the ball on 3rd down, which required Masoli to read coverages which he stunk at.
Very good beginners crash-course on this material! Unfortunately, since all of us know how this story ends, I assume we will be seeing a lot of examples of how the Cal defense either mis-played or was mis-aligned for almost every Oregon offensive snap from here on.
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by TwistNHook on Aug 25, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Every once in a while, Twist...
You stick it.
by PlayClassyBears on Aug 25, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
You forgot the missing laptops and DUI.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Redonk
Thanks so much Hydro. So clear. Yet so sad. I echo YF’s comment though, to what do you attribute the failed execution in the 2nd instance?
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in the first part of the text of the second play he says that the NT does follow the QB.
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by Rocksanddirt on Aug 25, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah yes, this is true. Not entirely clear by the pictures, but it is in the text.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure what you’re referring to…
Because if the defender getting read gets faked out and pursues the offensive player who does not have the ball, like I’ve demonstrated above. Then…
The offensive player who does not have the ball here is the RB. Masoli goes for it with the lane that has opened up. Why bite the second time and not the first if it’s essentially the same play? Although the NT might’ve just gone for the RB cuz that’s who had the ball in the first play.
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Now getting back to how to defend the zone read. Like I said, if the defense is running a scrape-exchange, then the defender getting read should pursue the RB. Cal doesn’t do this. So what the defender is supposed to do is just freeze, see what the QB does, then pursue the ball carrier. That’s exactly what the Cal defender in this play does. He freezes. Sees that the QB keeps the ball, then pursues the QB (yellow line).
Hydro was using that as a hypothetical – you might also notice that the NT looks exactly the same in both pictures (I did, but didn’t think it was all that odd). He was just showing what would happen if he got out of position. Looks like you and I were confused.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Great post (as usual!)
LIke the swallows of capistrano, this post can only mean that football season is near.
At any rate, is the TE a 4th option? You’d think that if a linebacker bit on the handoff, then the TE could streak downfield like the sideline WR.
I don’t think the TE on these plays is a 4th option. I’m pretty sure the TE is just run blocking on these plays. Of course, if the QB did keep the ball, and the TE was wide open down the field, then perhaps the QB could pass the TE the ball but it would be ad lib rather than planned.
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to the comment of play repetition....
that’s what good option football is. you run the same play over and over and over.
in many ways it is easier to practice, if your trigger (the QB) can read defenses well as everyone else just has to learn a few things. Hence Oklahoma’s domination with the wishbone. They ran two basic plays. left and right.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 25, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait until he has the talent! (I actually have no idea if he’s managed to get good talent at G-Tech or not)
by Missing Barry on Aug 26, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Major issues with this defensive alignment

This is one of the post-snap pics. The strong safety (the one at the top of the screen) is now some 14-16 yards from a receiver and has essentially taken himself out of the play. The free safety (is 12 yards from a receiver who, at the moment, appears not to be doing anything – effectively taking himself out of the play. Combine this with the unblocked NT, and that’s 11 on 8 football, with 3 o-linemen and one TE free to have mostly favorable matchups.
The other issue is that the slot receiver appears to be ignored for the moment, as the SS is committed to the WR at the top of the screen and the OLB that was kinda lining up in this receivers vicinity is looking run all the way. One ILB (Mohamed?) appears to be attempting to cover the athletic Dickson, who has a burst of speed and 8 yards away from Mohamed. The other ILB appears to be playing the RB but will have to fight through traffic to do so.
The only players that I really like in this alignment is the RCB (syd?), the WOLB, and the 3 d-linemen. I would have really liked to see a DB on the 3rd receiver that’s lined up within 7 yards, and the TE that was guarding Dickson be closer to the LOS. In this post snap photo, 4 players are now 8+ yards deep against a run.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
and by the time teh qb looks up, lifts his arm, and throws
someone as quick as our safeties can get a whole lot closer to where the ball is going.
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by Rocksanddirt on Aug 25, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you seriously suggesting we get the safeties to jam the receivers on all plays?!
In other words, Go Bears!
more specifically…
the FS is on path to do absolutely nothing but stop an 8+ yard run. He could croach up a few yards, say 3-4, and be in a position to play the WR or Masoli.
The LCB is playing a ways off his receiver AND he’s going to get SS help. The SS is committed to the “fuck it, we’re going long” (fly?) route that, should the receiver cut inside (post route?), would result in a wide open receiver. The slot receiver looks like an early candidate to be wide freakin open and have a favorable matchup since the SS is guarding grass and the OLB is looking run all the way.
Oregon’s style of spread or option or whatever the fuck the run at the University of New Hampshire features successful running plays with 3 WR’s and a pass-catching TE. This causes tremendous matchup problems for a team like the 2009 Cal Bears, since they can’t really commit to the run and can’t really defend the pass.
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I’m really not seeing the openings for the receiver that you are. The SS is in a position to both cover the slot man when he clears the linebackers or help on any deep route to the outside man. He’s hardly committed to only helpingo on a fly pattern. He does get to move by the time the receiver gets to him, you know?
by Missing Barry on Aug 26, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
It looks like it is common Cover 2 Zone 3-4 defense. Does Cal mostly run man coverage?
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It’s a little hard to tell from these pictures without looking at the video, and even harder to tell the defensive play as since this is a run play. However, since I’ve been watching the film on this game a lot lately to make these posts, I do know the coverage.
I don’t want to ruin the surprise of my next post, but I will say that Cal is not running a Cover 2 on the plays above.
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Cover 2 defenses are fairly strong against the run, iirc. The safeties can’t be blocked by the O-linemen, so if it becomes clear it’s a rushing play they can crash directly to the LoS. Also, because Masoli will quickly show the zone read, this would allow the safeties to play early against the run.
Also, it’s very hard to tell exactly what the safeties are doing in this play. If they diagnose a running play, they could be inching up ready to move forward and tackle in case Masoli or the RB get past the first line of defense.
You’re 11 on 8 football analogy is misleading. It’s 5 on 3 at the LoS, with 4 in support for the defense. Oregon’s offense had to double-team Alualu most of the game, so that leaves one extra Oregon blocker down. And I believe Cameron Jordan is only in a one-on-one battle, which he wins and takes down Masoli close to the LoS. Gregory seems to be putting a great amount of faith in his D-linemen to win the game at the LoS, and with the disciplined NT freezing at the scrape exchange they succeeded at their job in these two plays.
There are some weaknesses with this formation that I think Hydro will be diagramming later, but stopping the run isn’t one of them.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 25, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Bleh. *Your 11 on 8 football analogy
Also, it’s really 7 on 7 in the box. And it should be noted Cal’s defense didn’t respect Masoli at all after three horrible weeks of performance. They were content to let him try to throw to the slot because he hadn’t shown himself capable of throwing anything other than outs, screens and the occasional fade.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 25, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t watch Oregon with the exception of the Boise St game, where they obviously weren’t firing on all cylinders.
Counting the ILB covering Dickson as “in the box” is a bit generous. He’s as deep as the hella deep LCB.
Looking back through blue-colored glasses, the 2008 d vs Oregon seemed to feature two OLB’s that were close to the LOS and just outside the tackles. The 2009 OLB’s seemed to be farther removed from the LOS and the tackles. I’m not necessarily sure that’s true tho.
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I understand your concern and frustration.
Let’s remember that the defensive coordinators (DC) don’t know the offensive play call when they decide what defensive play the defense will run. Therefore, it’s just a guessing game, and one which — on a bad day — can go very bad for the DC.
Now that we remember that Bob Gregory is defending against some unknown offensive play, we’re more understanding of the fact that he also has to defend the pass here too (as it is 1st and 10, a viable passing down), and not just planning to stop the run.
So it’s pretty easy to say that this a sucky defensive play and formation for stopping the run because of depth of the secondary and linebackers. But remember, Gregory is also defending against the pass (there is no way Gregory could have foreseen the offense was going to run the same play until they lined up and mere moments before the snap of the ball, which by then it’s too late to do anything else).
Are there other ways to defend against Oregon? Sure. This is something I’ll talk about later in the series. But for now, let’s just say that Gregory was playing the defense in the above plays (which are the same defenses) out of respect for the offense.
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Playing a 3-4, with soft coverage on the wideouts (except for Syd) and two-ish LB’s covering athletic receivers, against the 11 personnel with no one really covering the slot receiver seems like a good way to not defend or even respect the pass. If the offense has 3 receivers, I’d put 3 DB’s on them with 2 safeties. If they have 4, I’d use 4 DB’s and 2 safeties. Then, I’d play them tight, perhaps very tight, and have the safeties at no more than 10 yards downfield and, in the formation above, stagger them so one is on the side with 3 WR’s and the other is more in the center of the field – especially when there’s a lockdown corner like Syd. I do think it would have slowed/shut down the pass, as scatterbrains Masoli couldn’t quickly locate a completely wide freakin open receiver and likely would have tried to throw it even harder than his usual fastballs. We all know what a team can do when it can’t pass…
I do look forward to continued analysis and discussion of arguably the worst ass-whippin of the Tedford era.
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I loved the way we consistantly lined up (pre-snap) 8-10 yards off their receivers
and Oregon ran the same wide receiver screen/quick in route time and time and time and time and time again. No adjustments were ever made.
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Not to say that what you’re saying isn’t true, but off the top of my head I remember Dickson gashing our safeties down the middle of the field being a bigger problem than playing off the WRs.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
IIRC, Dickson gashed our D only after we gave up first down after first down
by playing off the line. I don’t expect you to admit/acknowledge this (not your style), but it was definitely the case in the Oregon game.
by MrCredibility on Aug 25, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t deny that, but I’m not sure what playing the corners off the WRs would have to do with Dickson.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And honestly, I’d like to do my best to let it slide and be the bigger man, but the next time you can prove that I’m wrong with something more than conjecture and vague concepts like I love Longshore and hate Riley for no good reason, I’d really appreciate it. Until then, I’m probably not going to just concede to you that you’re right if I don’t think you are.
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by yellow fever on Aug 25, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
the key fragment from smartfootball.com on spread offenses:
the nickel defensive back is going to be relevant for your team’s success throughout the rest of your lifetime.
and Cal didn’t use very much.
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Downfield blocking?
I have a question about the play—if one of the QBs options is the WR, then there can’t be any downfield blocking, correct? So wouldn’t the offensive line have to play with a considerable amount of discipline, especially the pulling guard, not to cross the line of scrimmage? Or is the WR option a backwards pass?
Yeah, you’re right. Because there is a passing option, the offensive line has to be careful not to get too far down field to draw a penalty. However, the play happens so fast that there is little chance the offensive line will really be that far down field if the QB ever passes to the WR. At the most, the QB will probably pass the ball no later than 3 seconds (probably even sooner) after the snap to the WR should the CB leave the WR unblocked. The OL isn’t going to be that far down the field in that amount of time.
But yes, you’re right. There is potential for there to be an ineligible receiver downfield penalty due to the pass. The pass looks to be a forward pass too, and not a backwards one.
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Thanks Hydro!
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Awesome post, Hydro.
I absolutely love these.
All things considered, BG usually got our guys well-prepared to play Oregon’s spread. I think there was a huge difference in having 3 stud senior LB’s vs. last year’s relatively inexperienced group.
Also, it was a worthwhile gamble to force Masoli to beat us through the air considering how bad he was…until he played us. But, I would have liked to have seen a plan B scheme. It’ll be interesting to see how a guy w/ NFL experience will game plan this one.
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All things considered, BG usually got our guys well-prepared to play Oregon’s spread. I think there was a huge difference in having 3 stud senior LB’s vs. last year’s relatively inexperienced group.
You got that right!
Indeed, that should not go unsaid. Perhaps that’s the most frustrating thing of all.
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But doesnt recruiting and building of talent also fall on the coaches? I agree with a lot of what Cali49A and HydroTech have said today regarding the on the field play compared to the way the play was drawn up. But the on the field play is still on the coaches, in my view.
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what about Cali49b?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
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Recruiting does fall on the coaches. At the same time, the question of who recruited the guys on last year’s roster needs to be asked. Littlejohn was responsible for our (and lack of) upperclassmen DBs, WRs were mainly recruited by Ferrigno, and linebacker had a few bumps in recruiting because 2005-2006 was when Wilcox left, Foster came out of retirement for a year, and then Thompson took over in 2007. OL was the other big problem area but I attribute their issues more to the new coach and lack of experience.
Aside from a handful of excellent players in the 2005 and 2006 classes, those classes were mostly pretty bad.
I also think that Tedford (forgive me) has to take some of the blame for going all in with a “win now” philosophy. Hard to say that you can fault him when Cal was temporarily at #2 in the country. But, I get the sense that he was riding his best guys almost exclusively and not giving the younger guys as many reps. When combined with some recruiting misses, and injuries, I think it helped to contribute to the lack of experienced/talented depth. Since this year he seems committed to playing the best players, regardless of age, hopefully this is trending in the right direction.
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by Kodiak on Aug 26, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who doesn’t have a “win now” philosophy in college football? There’s an inordinate amount of pressure on coaches to produce and justify their exorbitant salaries.
Tedford played the players who were performing the best in practices and on tape. I don’t know how much that differs from any other college head coach. I don’t know exactly what putting the younger guys in would have accomplished. Playing for next season is a dangerous game.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 27, 2010 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Well done Hydro
I’ve been meaning to break down tapes from losses last season but couldn’t find any torrents of the $C & Oregon game. Let’s hope ChicagoBear delivers once again this year!
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