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via SF Chronicle. Can Pendergast bring fire to a Cal defense that's been sorely lacking it?

For the first time in the Jeff Tedford era, the Cal defense will have a little spice added to it.. Clancy Pendergast arrives to upgrade a defense that has vacillated from very good to very bad over the past decade, bringing with him a new array of looks and moves that have many fans excited over the possibilities.

Probably most important for Cal fans is how it differs greatly from Bob Gregory, who relied heavily on discipline and making sure people stuck to their assignments. His schemes mirrored that of Pete Carroll’s USC defenses, which focused heavily on stopping the run to force opposing quarterbacks to beat them. Unlike Carroll though, Gregory only rarely had the personnel to match up and stop the best Pac-10 offenses. It was a slow death rather than a quick one, and depended a lot on how well the offense performed in achieving the final outcome.

So what will be the main differences between Gregory and Pendergast? I refer you to the three Ps.

Personnel

The overall issue with Gregory’s defenses was that they entirely relied on personnel--if the players were good, he looked like a genius (as in 2004 and in 2008); if they weren’t, his units looked foolhardy (as in 2006, 2007 and in 2009). Cal fans were flipping the coin and hoping it turned up heads.

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Not to trifle with Gregory, who knows his stuff and can produce great defenses if he has experienced players, but it’s hard to win big-time in the Pac-10 if you entirely rely on personnel and don’t use some creative scheming to beat the best team. More importantly, it often left the defense codependent on the offense’s performance rather than letting it strum as its own instrument of chaos. Examine how Nick Aliotti utilized a young, hungry defense to overwhelm many an opposing offense like USC or Boise (that defense played very well)...or Cal.

Pendergast’s defense won’t depend as much on personnel as Gregory’s (although don’t all defenses require some basic looks in personnel?). However, scheme will play a much more predominant factor with the base 3-4 and 4-3 under sets he likes to run, and could provide a major obstacle for Pac-10 offenses not sure what to expect next season. There are a lot of new wrinkles, and it should present a challenge to the best of the conference’s offensive coordinators.

Predictability

However, they weren’t predictable because they were the same plays (if you watched closely, Gregory would generally try and add new wrinkles to every play). They were predictable because they followed a pattern on passing defense--read the quarterback’s eyes and make a play on the ball. They followed a similar philosophy--stop the run at all costs. Unfortunately, our lesser skilled corners and linebackers often took that strategy too literally and lost track of their receivers, especially on the intermediate routes.  And often guys overcommitted to the run and left open massive running lanes for running backs to cut through and dash unencumbered to the end zone.

Several big thoughts seemed to emerge from last year’s pass defense debacle:

1) The screens would generally be there because Cal played so strongly to stop the run, and there were plenty of times when the Bears were caught looking run on the bubble screens when they should have been looking to the outside. Gregory’s insistence on playing run put a lot of pressure on the outside corners to make tackles--aside from Squid, in 2009 they were horribly out of form.

2) Quarterbacks knew which parts of the field would generally be covered by Gregory’s zone coverage: I’d say at least 60 to 70% of an opposition’s successful throws came from going over the middle to the tight end or slot receiver, as well as to the flats on a receiver on a fade, comeback or out route. Additionally they’d pump-fake or play action to make an overanxious secondary bite.  When a quarterback showed he could throw to those areas, they’d eventually start airing it out even more as safeties overcommitted inside and left wide receivers open down the sideline.

3) Experienced quarterbacks facing Gregory’s defense for a second time (Masoli and Canfield in particular) surveyed the field and checked multiple options before finding the designated target. It was first truly exposed when Adam Weber pump-faked out Darian Hagan and even Syd’Quan a few times in Minneapolis. Masoli took it to disastrous levels and other Pac-10 quarterbacks did their best to pile on.

4) No strong pass rusher to rush the quarterback. In a zone defense scheme, especially in a 3-4, blitzing is usually a solid scheme, but Cal’s ability to find a pass rushing linebacker (like, say, Devon Kennard) has been frustratingly tough until the 2010 class (And our outside linebackers from there have either transferred or are greyshirting. The fun never ends). The inability to rush the passer with any linebacking support turned the 3-4 into a shadow of its 2008 majesty. Linebackers backed up early and often on passing downs and prayed that Alualu, Jordan or Hill would get loose and force the quarterback to stop standing in the pocket and surveying the landscape before committing to a receiver.

Zack Follett’s 2008 campaign (10.5 sacks) equalled the entire linebacking sack production of 2009 (10.5 sacks). Our linebacking replacements just weren’t strong enough to replace Follett, Felder and Williams, and it’s not clear if they’re strong enough this season.

Experienced quarterbacks like Sean Canfield and Jake Locker ate this up, and even "God knows how good they are at anything but running a spread offense" quarterbacks like Jeremiah Masoli and Jordan "Barely Legal" Wynn managed to exploit this coverage.

Thanks to those methods of exploiting Gregory’s pass schemes, weak corner play and shoddy tackling (and a lot of the time those issues blended into each other), the results were lamentable.  Five opposing quarterbacks completed over 70 percent of their passes (Masoli was 21 for 25). Knowing that stat, it’s no surprise that the pass defense plunged back down to 105th in completion percentage in 2009 after being 4th in the country in 2008  . Seven quarterbacks completed over 8 yards per attempt, an atrocious number (and the Bears dropped from 10th to 86th in yards allowed per passing attempt).

Pendergast will definitely bring a new flavor to a unit that hasn’t seen a lot of it lately. Schemes will be more variable as Cal should see plenty of 3-4 and 4-3 action (although the base defense remains 3-4). The blitz looks will come from everywhere. There will be a slight degree of unpredictability in facing a Golden Bear defense for the first time since...well, the Hit Squad days.

Could all these new plays be too much for our defense to decipher in its first season under the new DC? Possibly. But at least it provides something new for our defenders to express exuberance in (and all indications from spring and summer practice is high enthusiasm for this new approach).

Passionless
Ugh. I hate this word. I hate even bringing it up because I’m not even sure what it means in terms of football strategy. It seems like more of something fans feel about their team when they’re getting wrecked.

Still, it feels like the right way to describe Gregory’s 2009 campaign...although not in the way you might think.

I’m not going to say the drop eight and rush three is a passive approach, because it’s not--when your linebackers lack the ability to pressure the quarterback, you have to do the next best thing and put guys into coverage to try and clamp the pass. No, it’s the passive way at which Gregory made his defense approach about things last season that really annoyed me and almost everyone else who cares about this team (and then their subsequent overreactions to their passivity). The defense was constantly stuck in reaction mode, not really covering areas as much as points, being caught behind the play when they should've been acting immediately at the snap.

Additionally, in a 3-4, if you’re not going to sustain a pass rush, you have to play aggressive elsewhere. Corners have to jam the recevers at the line of scrimmage and force them off their routes--there definitely wasn’t much of that last year. You have to bring linebackers or a safety up to make sure the running back doesn’t bust through the hole and have a clear lane to a huge gain--but often guys would overplay and run themselves out of the play, giving the running backs a clear lane to the end zone itself.

Finally, inexperienced players tend to think that sticking to a zone means staying in one place when really it requires more lateral motion and movement to cross up the quarterback and make him think twice about making the throw. Instead gaps between receiver and defender were wide in 2009, leading to routine catches over the middle on many a game.

Perhaps players weren’t as talented this season as we thought they were. But it still doesn’t excuse everyone taking bad angles and making bad form with them. Everyone was a little too rigid in Gregory’s schemes when they first started out and good OCs were able to exploit that.

Pendergast’s schemes claim aggression through multiple blitz looks (more on that later), giving plenty of players equal pass and rush responsibilities, and just promising more variety on the defensive side. There are definitely cons to this look--a quarterback with good protection can torch a defense that sends extra players. The run will definitely be more vulnerable, although it wasn’t as if Gregory’s defense didn’t overplay last season in letting runners go for more than a hundred yards.  And more aggression doesn’t mean a better defense by default, although it should probably guarantee defenders are more passionate in their responsibilities.

But most importantly, it won’t be Bob Gregory’s defense, and for a lot of Golden Bears, that’s a good enough start.

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I think Clancy Pendergast will be ___________ defensive coordinator compared to Bob Gregory.
a much better
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a decently better
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about the same type of
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a decently worse
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Dude,

There will be a slight degree of unpredictability in facing a Golden Bear defense for the first time since…well, the Hit Squad days.

Hit Squad was very predictable. Sack, sack, 25 yard completion to the tight end over the middle for the first. Repeat.

by LeonPowe on Aug 19, 2010 3:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Sack, sack, 25 yard completion to the tight end over the middle for the first. Repeat.

That’s not exactly true. There was some variation. Sometimes, it went:

Sack, sack, completion to tight end over the middle for a 70 yard touchdown.

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by Ohio Bear on Aug 19, 2010 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dickson just scored again!

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by carp on Aug 19, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

42-3!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Aug 19, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You forgot the screen pass

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by royrules22 on Aug 19, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope you guys are just trying to be funny, because the hit squad defenses were way better than anything Gregory has ever produced. Especially considering how often they were out on the field and how much pressure was on them to actually score points (considering you knew the offense wasn’t going to). Sure, the hit squad would give up the occasional quick strike, but more often than not, they were able to get a 3 and out. And I’d gladly take that over a Gregory defense, who could never get the ball back to Tedford’s offense.

by ryandrew on Aug 19, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seeing as how I never saw the defenses in the early 90s I’m talking about the general tendency of Gregory’s defense to leave the screen uncovered

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by royrules22 on Aug 19, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hit Squad was mid to late 90s.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 19, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

who could never get the ball back to Tedford’s offense.

’04 and ’06 would like to have a word with you

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by norcalnick on Aug 19, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

No Hit Squad defense was as good as 04 or 06.

by LeonPowe on Aug 19, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

"...better than anything Gregory has ever produced"

is overstating it quite a bit. Statistically speaking, the Hit Squad defenses didn’t blow away the Gregory defenses.

I define the Hit Squad defenses as the 1998 and 1999 teams.

Hit Squad 1998
Points per game: 22.8
Rushing yards allowed per game: 133.8
Yards per rush: 3.3
Passing yards allowed per game: 206.5
Total offense allowed per game: 340.3
Average per play: 4.7
Turnover gained (margin): 27 (+6)
Sacks: 35
Source: 1999 Cal Football Media Guide
Hit Squad 1999:
Points per game: 23.1
Rushing yards allowed per game: 117.9
Yards per rush: 2.9
Passing yards allowed per game: 234.7
Total offense per game: 352.6
Average per play: 4.9
Turnovers gained (margin): 27 (-5)
Sacks: 52
Source: 2000 Cal football media guide

Bob Gregory, love him or hat him, produced the 2008 Cal defense, which many consider the best of his defenses at Cal. Here’s how it did:

2008 Cal defense
Points per game: 19.9
Rushing yards per game: 122.2
Yards per rush: 3.2
Passing yards per game: 193
Total offense per game: 315.2
Average yards per play: 4.4
Turnovers gained (margin): 34 (+15)
Sacks: 35
Source: Here

Here are the stats from the 2006 Cal defense, which I think most of us would consider one of Gregory’s average defenses:

2006 Cal defense
Points per game: 19.3
Rushing yards per game: 125.4
Yards per rush: 3.8
Passing yards per game: 240.8
Total offense per game: 366.2
Average yards per play: 5.6
Turnovers gained (margin): 28 (+6)
Sacks: 26
Source: Here

Sure, we could talk about some other defenses of Gregory’s. The 2004 team (which might also be considered the best of Gregory’s defenses) would stack up better than the Hit Squad, the 2007 team would stack up worse, yada yada yada. But the point is that the Hit Squad wasn’t markedly better than Gregory’s defenses. Look, I liked the Hit Squad as much as the next Cal fan, but let’s not romanticize them unnecessarily.

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by Ohio Bear on Aug 19, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 2006 Cal Defense may be average compared to 2008, but they gave up fewer points per game.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 19, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

True. Without the time to really go through them all year by year, I picked 2006 as an “average” example because I remembered that defense’s stats not being real bad (like 2007) or really good (like 2004).

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by Ohio Bear on Aug 19, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 2006 defense is not remembered fondly because of how many passing yards they gave up (and it was a lot, even allowing for the fact that many games were blowouts, so teams had to spend the entire second half passing). Low scoring and lots of turnovers, though.

by sycasey on Aug 19, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 2006 pass defense was very bad. If it weren’t for Hughes’s interceptions we’d have a much different perception of that team—god knows how many 3rd down conversions we gave up, we literally had to outscore everyone. I think the 2008 team was just as good, it was just the offense trucked in mud while the defense wrecked.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 19, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you do justice by just comparing the stats of the hit squad defense to the 2004 defense or 2006 defense. I know stats is all we have to compare…..but you also need to take into account how god awful the offense was during ’98 and ’99.

I guarantee you that the hit squad defense was on the field WAY more than any Gregory defense. Plus, they were forced to play ultra-aggressive so they could create turnovers. Gregory’s defenses had the luxury of having juggernaut offenses. Makes a HUGE difference. If you put the talent we had on the hit squad on the 2004 team, I believe that we run the table that year.

by ryandrew on Aug 20, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look at the talent those teams had; Deltha, Nnamdi, Banta-Cain, Fujita, Beck, Andre Carter, Sanyika, Waasdorp. that’s a really really bad NFL defense right there.

by ryandrew on Aug 20, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Opponents' Time of Possession
I know stats is all we have to compare…..but you also need to take into account how god awful the offense was during ’98 and ’99.

I guarantee you that the hit squad defense was on the field WAY more than any Gregory defense.

I see what you’re saying, but that stat cuts the other way, too. If the defense is on the field WAY more, that also says something about the defense. How come they’re not getting OFF the field themselves? Really good defenses can get themselves off the field in a hurry.

In any event, the difference in “time on the field” isn’t that great between the Hit Squad years and most of the Gregory years. See the stats below.

And look at the 2004 defense — which was maybe the best of Gregory’s lot. They got off the field.

OPPONENTS’ TIME OF POSSESSION (AVG. PER GAME)

Hit Squad Years:

1998: 30:22
1999: 30:23

Gregory years:
2009: 30:50
2008: 30:47
2007: 31:05
2006: 30:54
2005: 30:28
2004: 27:20
2003: 28:12
2002: 31:23

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by Ohio Bear on Aug 22, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Praise be to Tedford for “trying something new” with the DC and ST coaches. I look forward to more opposing QB’s being put on their ass several times a game. We’ve all seen this effect on our own QB.

One thing I didn’t like about Gregory was how long his defenses were on the field, particularly in 2009. The zone coverage was way too soft.

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by carp on Aug 19, 2010 6:53 AM PDT reply actions  

… 60 to 70% of an opposition’s successful throws came from going over the middle to the tight end or slot receiver, as well as to the flats on a receiver on a fade, comeback or out route.

So, basically, any pass play to any receiver, anywhere on the field.

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by SoCal Oski on Aug 19, 2010 7:14 AM PDT reply actions  

That does seem rather all-encompassing…so I’m trying to figure out where the other 30-40% could have gone.

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by yellow fever on Aug 19, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

It appears that we can only stop the slant, corner, and post routes.

by Tricky-Nicky on Aug 19, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, stop the big play, let them dink and dunk you down the field, hold strong in the red zone – Bob Gregory

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by CruzinBears on Aug 19, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Duh.

To the running back on a sweep or screen for a TD.

by mrjpark on Aug 19, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would assumed to the receiver on the flats included running backs on a sweep. Though I don’t recall a great deal of those happening against our defense last year either though.

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by yellow fever on Aug 19, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pendergast makes me a tad nervous

I’m stoked for change like all of you, but I hope his strategies work better in college:

2009 (KC Chiefs) — Defense ranked 30th overall, 388 yards/game and 26.5 points/game.

2008 (AZ Cardinals) — Defense ranked 19th overall, 331 yards/game and 26.6 points/game.

His defenses don’t ever “shut people out” but he does emphasize a lot of pressure and hopefully that translates into turnovers. Just don’t be surprised if we give up a lot of points this year.

by Another Failed Tedford QB on Aug 19, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

But we game up a lot of points last year (average loss = 26 point differential).

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by carp on Aug 19, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

SIlver lining?

I think the best-case scenario here is that the pro level may be better equipped to withstand a high-pressure defense, like Pendegrast uses, while college kids may not be able to adjust or handle it quite as well.

We all know how our offense sort of collapsed last year when faced with an aggressive defense. Hopefully we’ll be able to be on the other end of that this year, and cause some teams to play a bit un-nerved and out of sync.

I know … this is very un-Old Blue of me.

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by SoCal Oski on Aug 19, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love your reasoning

and really want to agree. I’m just worried about all the talent at QB in the Pac.

Locker, Luck, Foles, Barkley will most likely be playing on Sundays someday and even the UCLA and OSU d-bags seem be having decent camps.

But I do anticipate our offense averaging 75 points/game…so as long as we can keep them under that…

by Another Failed Tedford QB on Aug 19, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Foles?

Just no.

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by Thoroughbred on Aug 19, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he has a real slow release. Impossible to throw great medium or deep balls. Can throw pretty well up to 10-12 yards.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 19, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Impossible to throw great medium or deep balls. Can throw pretty well up to 10-12 yards into his lineman’s back before catching the ball and throwing it again for 10-12 yards.

Fixed.

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by CruzinBears on Aug 19, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Foles is pretty good guys

He’s impossible to take down similar to Bad Touch Ben. And he was young last year…only going to get better

by Another Failed Tedford QB on Aug 19, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh he’s good. But playing on Sundays?

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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 19, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

What, are there no Sunday beer leagues around?

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by atomsareenough on Aug 19, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

False

He’s not good, nor will he play on Sundays.

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by Thoroughbred on Aug 19, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

He played pretty good last year and he’s solid for the Airraid. Better than Barkley I’d say.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 19, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

new schemes will help in the short term

the one advantage we will have this year is that we will have a new look on defense. teams won’t be as prepared as before to the new schemes as they were with gregory’s over the years.

it’s the same reason why new rookie pitchers can do so well first season, but after people get more scouting reports and get a better idea of their style, the hitters adapt

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by cleancutmedia on Aug 19, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reading that makes me think of Charlie Weis at a press conference talking about how ND is going to have a schematic advantage in every game….

by Missing Barry on Aug 22, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last year, it seemed like Cal was good at stopping the big play, but allow opposing offenses to methodically march down the field. Then, the Cal O would go 3 and out and the D would be back on the field for another lengthy and tiring march. Given the concerns regarding depth on the D (esp. for LBs), I am hopeful that this year’s D can avoid allowing methodical drives that tire them out. Of course, I also hope that the D can avoid allowing quick strike scores. So, who knows?

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by TwistNHook on Aug 19, 2010 9:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Wait, you want the defense to prevent long tiresome drives AND touchdowns?!?!?!?! My Cal fan brain hurts with the complexity!

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by CruzinBears on Aug 19, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer an aggressive defense...

….to the Gregory kind, so I’m glad we now have Pendergast, but I’m sure hoping we don’t do the Hit Squad thing where those rushing the QB would overrush and simply be pushed by the pocket.

by ososdeoro on Aug 19, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s what happens when you can’t get to the QB so you drop 8 in coverage. No big plays, but the QB just sits there and dinks and dunks the team all the way down the field….

by Missing Barry on Aug 22, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I'm worried about

is how Pendergast reacts to the spread offenses we see. There isn’t exactly very much of it in the NFL, and this will pretty much be the first time he’ll face it. Will his defensive philosophy still hold up against the Oregons and (tee hee) the pistol offense?

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by EchoOfSilence on Aug 19, 2010 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

A lot of NFL teams use the spread and combine it with the flex-bone offense to have a sort of spread hybrid where they can achieve the best of both worlds. Some NFL offenses run shotgun spread.

Although it’s not as maniacal as Oregon’s attack, Pendergast has seen the spread before and should know how to deal with it.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 19, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info, Avi

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by EchoOfSilence on Aug 19, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, the only difference, really is

the zone read play. which, in the past, we have done fairly well at controlling.

but that play really takes advantage of attacking defensive styles….so….fingers crossed

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by Rocksanddirt on Aug 19, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

May I be the first to become a Pendergast Sunshine Pumper?

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by Thoroughbred on Aug 19, 2010 10:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Haha I’m guessing you read the posts by those BearInsider clowns?

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by royrules22 on Aug 19, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some of us BI clowns actually love CGB and have said so….I’ve linked numerous articles to the site because CGB is the most knowledgeable Cal fan site there is and I learn more here then anywhere else including professional sites…..You guys rock but in the past I’ve noticed that when Gregory was criticized, some posters were pounced on with rationalizations about his schemes or what have you….I noticed this because I came to the same conclusion as well as other posters on BI that Avinash did….he just did it more succinctly then I ever could… The players made Bog Gregory, not the other way around….the weird thing is that when Gregory was more aggressive in the past, he was actually successful, but then always fell back on his reactionary BBDB style… Some of us can actually read and enjoy BOTH sites….keep up the great work guys……

by Cal_Fan2 on Aug 19, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

royrules is our own CGB clown. We dress him up with a red nose and make him say Queensbridge.

Say Queensbridge royrules!

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by Avinash Kunnath on Aug 19, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the kind words, Cal_Fan2. Please note that the thoughts and feelings of royrules22 reflect only those of royrules22 and not those of CGB in general.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 19, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Way to throw me under the bus. Didn’t you say yesterday how you wanted to sack BI?!

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by royrules22 on Aug 19, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please note that the thoughts and feelings of TwistNHook reflect only those of TwistNHook and not those of CGB in general!

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by TwistNHook on Aug 19, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyway I just read your post over on BI. Sorry for painting you with the same brush but there are clowns on BI. Drunkoski dude, and that guy who celebrates every post he makes, etc. I lurk BI because you guys sometimes get some interesting news (especially w.r.t. recruiting) but I can’t stand a lot of your posters. Negativity is a theme.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Aug 19, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL…..well there are way more positive posters but i agree that there are some nattering nabobs of negativity (Spiro Agnew anyone?) over there that stand out like a sore thumb…it’s like the drunk obnoxious uncle that comes over on Thanksgiving…….you hate his guts but hey, he’s family……..Moraga Bear is tops though on the recruiting stuff….. Cheers…….

by Cal_Fan2 on Aug 19, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

for sure, there are a lot of bad posters on BI, just like anywhere (even here-gasp). But there is definitely some good info to be found on BI (just like here-gasp). No one can touch BI when it comes to practice reports and recruiting info.

This is the way I like to look at it. CGB is a great place to learn and really break down Cal football; the blog is extremely analytical, plus the demographics here seem to be much younger (thus more fun, don’t take themselves too seriously, etc). You can get a bunch of pretty grouchy, debbie downers over at BI (but who can blame them after watching 50 years of bad football).

But for every day updates and the inside scoop, I prefer BI. While CGB does a great job blogging, BI has actual pseudo journalists who actually go out to each practice session, etc.

by ryandrew on Aug 19, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

YOUNG!

get off my lawn you whippersnappers!

hee!

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by Rocksanddirt on Aug 19, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

One other interesting difference between this blog and BI, are the different perspectives each group has due to the fact that BI people have been following Cal football for years and years. On CGB, there is the occasional lack of historical perspective. If I’m not mistaken, most of the writers on CGB first started following Cal football during the last days of the Holmoe era. And that goes for some (not all, but some) of the posters on this blog as well. While that’s not necessarily a bad thing, I think its inevitable that the newbies will bring a different perspective to the table.

I think that explains why BI tends to be a bit more negative and pessimistic, while CGB seems to be a bit more upbeat. The newbies haven’t been beaten down time and time again. They haven’t had their hopes raised time and time again, just to have Pat Barnes fumble it on the 3 yard line. No human being should have to endure what some of our older bear brethren have endured. My dad (class of ‘60) saw a basketball championship in 1959 and a Rose Bowl in 1960. He had to wait 50 years for another basketball title, and one of his last wishes is to see just one more rose bowl before he dies. Us younger folks have at least another 50 years that we can wait for another Rose bowl, them older folks aren’t so lucky. So the passing of each rosebowless season hurts that much more. When you put it in that perspective , I think its reasonable to give some of the cranky old people on BI a break.

I see myself as sort of a hybrid, or sort of like Blade, who can walk in both worlds. While I’m still somewhat young (class of ’04), my first memories of Cal football stretch back to Troy Taylor and Brad Muster. So I just find it interesting to visit both CGB and BI to get two very different perspectives on Cal football.

by ryandrew on Aug 19, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would think that those who lived through Cal football from the 60s through the 90s would be much happier with the results from this this past decade. I guess it doesn’t really matter if you’re 0-12 or 10-2 if you don’t reach the Rose Bowl, but the program has reached very respectable levels.

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by CaliforniaEternal on Aug 19, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it makes you feel any better, I’ve been following since the days of Pat Barnes and Russell White, so I have a small modicum of perspective. Sort of.

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by norcalnick on Aug 19, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Class of ‘97, but I’ve been going to games since the early 80’s.

Hey waitasec…I probably don’t belong here…

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by Kodiak on Aug 19, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been attending games since infancy (mid-80’s), but really only understanding and following the game closer after 96

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by CruzinBears on Aug 20, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think there is a “you guys” BI group vs. CGB (or other Cal sites) suggesting that people belong to one site or another. I read as much as I can and appreciate the content here, on BI , Scout, Rivals, wherever I can get it.

And there are posters that I like and dislike on every site, but that’s just cyberlife.

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by OskiMonsta on Aug 20, 2010 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are posters besides me you hate on this site?!?!??!?

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by TwistNHook on Aug 20, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well yes, but not nearly as much, so you’ve still got that.

There was that TuckNJersey guy, but he seems to have disappeared.

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by OskiMonsta on Aug 20, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The players made Bog Gregory, but the lord made Swamp Gregory.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Aug 19, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least we know if we ever want to change the name of the Marshawnthusiasts, we can go with Tedford Sunshine Pumpers!

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by TwistNHook on Aug 19, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pump some sunshine and we’ll talk.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 19, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

So far, not a single person thinks Pendergast will be worse than Gregory. How interesting.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 19, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Yup.

Without this positivity, how else could we consider ourselves Cal fans? We would have killed ourselves by now.

by mrjpark on Aug 19, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

……give us about 4 games…we may come around…

by Cal_Fan2 on Aug 19, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clearly that’s because we’re a bunch of Sunshine Pumpers!

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by OskiMonsta on Aug 20, 2010 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

3 words

In. Game. Adjustments.

If those are successful this year, big things might happen.

Then, I’ll make a big ruckus, because I am a hypocritical asshole.

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by turkey on Aug 19, 2010 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn't

Vote. We really won’t anything about him until maybe the fourth game of the season. I really hope he’s good. I think the key will be if he can get the best out of what he has, and “coach up” his players, rather than have some mad scientist genius scheme.
I agree with turkey – we wholly lacked in game adjustments last year, and its not necessary to wait for halftime.
Even more so I agree with Twist, thinking back to the P-Bowl, even though the bad D drove me nuts (watching 3 linebackers totally out of position try to catch a receiver from behind-ouch), what was worse was the lack of offensive production. I think we went 3 & out 3 times in a row in the 3rd-4th quarters. I kept thinking “we can win this thing, all we is a good drive”, but no, not to be.
A good O-line, better accuracy from Riley, receivers who catch balls, will be just the thing to help Clancy look good.

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by Cugel on Aug 19, 2010 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

true.

the defense looked pretty good at big game, since they were only on the field for 20 mins.

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by Rocksanddirt on Aug 19, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always think to the two best games of the year, Arizona and Stanfurd. How did we do so well in those games? The key was the O making long methodical drives. In the middle part of the Big Game, Cal held onto the ball FOREVER! That kept the D fresh. In other games, like USC, Oregon, the D would just be on the field forever and it was a disaster.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 19, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did anyone see this post?

The Four Pac-10 Teams Most Likely To Lose To WSU

4. Cal
…So, the Bear offense stays about the same. The Cougar D improves. The Bear defense gets worse, the Cougar offense improves… WSU 31 – Cal 30

I take this as an insult. We beat them 49-17 last year. Previous year, we beat them 66-3 in their house. and I dont think our defense will be worse than last year at all.

by JustBear on Aug 19, 2010 1:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Its WSU, try not to take them to seriously, they have to cling on to something to try and put butts in the seats

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by CruzinBears on Aug 19, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, surprise surprise, its the bottom three from the media poll plus UW because its a rivalry game…

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by CruzinBears on Aug 19, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tedford better get the team fired up to crush WSU because the next Pac-10 coach to lose to WSU will be in some serious trouble with their fanbase…hopefully it will be ucla losing to them again.

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by CaliforniaEternal on Aug 19, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

rec’d for “Jimothy”

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by atomsareenough on Aug 19, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Call me a sunshine pumper but the doomsday predictions are pretty funny at this point. We are clearly the P10 whipping boys this year. Everyone expects us to tank. When CougCenter thinks they can beat you, there is no downside left.

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by OskiMonsta on Aug 20, 2010 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

We’ve hit rock bottom.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 20, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

As long as we don’t lose to the Cougs!

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Aug 20, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

God no. It’s one thing to be ATQ vassals, but bowing down to CougCenter??? (shudders)

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by OskiMonsta on Aug 20, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully if ST finally has their shit down the D will have a few extra 1st downs to demand from the opposing offense on most drives. This should help significantly…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Aug 19, 2010 2:42 PM PDT reply actions  

This is probably the most astute point that people are missing. The defense will have to be better with 15 more yards of field to defend per possession.

by LeonPowe on Aug 19, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just hope Giorgio’s good leg is greased nightly by nubile Danish masseuse maids.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Aug 19, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

In some cases 25-35 yards…

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--Coach Clark

by carp on Aug 19, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

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