Golden Nuggets: Pac-12 Division Meeting Tomorrow
by Berkelium97 on Jul 29, 2010 5:00 PM PDT
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Fewer than twenty four hours from the meeting on how to divide the Pac-12, some details are becoming clearer. Regardless of the decisions made tomorrow, nothing will be finalized until at least October.
In the current 10-team league, every team plays either at USC or at UCLA every year. Once Colorado and Utah transform the league from the Pac-10 to the Pac-12, the league will split into two divisions in order to stage a conference championship game.
Scott said they have looked at three basic models: geographic divisions, the so-called "zipper" divisions, in which each of the six geographic pairings (Arizona-Arizona State, USC-UCLA, Stanford-Cal, Oregon-Oregon State, Washington-Washington State, Colorado-Utah) would be separated, or a hybrid of the two ideas.
Whatever the makeup of the divisions, Scott said, "If you're going to play nine conference games, you'll play five in your division and four out of six teams in the other division. You're going to play an L.A. team every year and you're going to get to L.A. at least two of every three years."
One issue with the "zipper" plan, Scott said, is that the rivalry games played in the last couple of weeks of the season would become inter-division games. That introduces the possibility of rematches in the Pac-12 Championship Game. To solve that issue, Scott said, the league will discuss moving those rivalries to the middle of the season.
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- Cal is the only Pac-10 team in "great shape" with its tight ends, according to Ted Miller. Once again, Anthony Miller and Spencer Ladner should prove to be effective tight ends this season.
- Hoping to avoid the scrutiny faced by the Big Televen, the Pac-10 will officially change its name to the Pac-12 when Colorado and Utah join next year. Wilner dislikes the idea, as he believes it suggests a lack of value in the brand name of the Pac-10.
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I fail to see how a rivalry game is any more likely to be a repeat of the championship game as any other inter-divisional game is. Surely they won’t be able to have all the inter-divisional games first, will they?
This.
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by atomsareenough on Jul 29, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think that’s the issue so much as the timing. They probably don’t want to have two teams to a re-match within weeks of playing each other. Probably not a big deal if you do the inter-divisional games early in the season, finish in your division, then play the championship game. But, if you play your rivalry game at the traditional end of the season slot, then you might get an immediate re-match.
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wilner
likes the zipper, seems to wish we could keep the pac-10 name even with 12 teams… next up, he picks Wazzu to win the league!
Of course Wilner likes the Zipper...
Wilner proposed it.
Wishing that the conference would keep the Pac-10 name with 12 schools in the conference is crazy. What is he smoking?
^that^
i propose simply the PAC … it’s good enough for the SEC, and with scott’s obvious plans to evolve into the pac-64, this eliminates the need to rename the conference on a recurring basis
as an added bonus, student athletes will become known as PAC men and Ms PAC men
agreed
Especially with future expansion a strong possibility, it’s time to get rid of the number. Pacific Athletic Conference works for me.
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by California Pete on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Lets just go with the 12-pac. Then we can upgrade to the Case Pac, the Party Ball Pac, and finally the Keg Pac when we go to 64 teams. We need to do something about our academic reputation anyway.
I agreed with your first post here, but disagree with this second one!
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Interesting, because I disagreed with my first post and to post the second counter-argument to prove I was right
I think it’s hilarious Tedford challenged all the coaches to a QB competition and said he’d win bar-none. I would much rather see a 1 hour special on this than the Lebrocalypse
no cal bear? no care
WTF?
Who in the name of Bak Bak gave Ucla a first place vote?
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Moving the rivalry games to the middle of the season
With all due respect, I think that idea sucks.
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I think it could be a good thing. It’d give us our own “rivalry week”, which could maybe grab more attention nationally when it’s not overshadowed the same week by say, Michigan-Ohio State, Texas-Oklahoma, Army-Navy, the Iron Bowl, etc….
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by atomsareenough on Jul 29, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
This should be reason enough to deep six the Zipper
You do not move archrivalry games to October to avoid a potential re-play in the CCG two weeks after the regular season date. That’s certifiably insane.
If you’re going to stick with static divisions, then split the league geographically and be done with it. Otherwise, use your thinking caps and come up with another solution.
I think we should randomly select the leagues by picking names out of a top hat,.
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Some folks at other blogs have pointed out one of the true errors in the whole move-the-rivalry-game-to-the-middle-of-the-season-so-we-don’t-have-a-rivalry-rematch is that it is extremely rare for rivals to be 1-2 going in to the end of the season (Oregon-OSU last year notwithstanding).
When was the last time the Apple Cup, or the Usc-Ucla game, or the Desert Duel (if that’s not what ASU – UofA is, it ought to be), or the Big Game decided the conference champion?
Silly. Just silly.
I say we chuck the whole expansion thing as if it were that girl you met at the bar at 1:45 when you were wasted. Good idea at the time, but in the clear light of sobriety, a real mistake.
Careful, man. There's a beverage here!
I’m also puzzled at the apparent premise that “rematches are bad.” No matter what, when you have a title game, there is a possible rematch. In fact, if you play 4 out of the 6 teams in the other division, the possibility of a rematch is higher than in other leagues. So what’s the difference if the “rematch” is the rivalry game as opposed to some other game? Or if the “rematch” is from a game that took place two weeks before as opposed to two months before? It seems, to me anyway, an issue not worth moving the rivalry games over.
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As far as I know, all the other power conferences who play championship games have their rivalry games at the end of the season. The chance of a re-match comes up every now and then…but I don’t think it’s ever been a big deal. Let’s go California + Zona vs. the Northwest and the newbies.
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It’s more common than our west coast biased brains realize. Texas-Oklahoma and Florida-Georgia are both played midseason quite successfully. And those are definitely their biggest rivalry games, not Texas A&M and Florida St.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jul 29, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
And what's the possibility of...
a Texas-Oklahoma rematch in the Big XII CCG? Zero. It can’t happen.
Same thing with Florida-Georgia in the SEC. That’s because both schools in the cited rivalries are in the same division.
Also,...
what other arch-rivalries that are played within a conference are not played on the Saturday before Thanksgiving or later? Aside from Army-Navy (because both schools are independents), can you name another arch-rivalry that doesn’t fulfill the stated conditions?
Iowa-Iowa State is played in September and is inter-conference (Big Ten-Big XII).
Colorado-Colorado State is played in September and is also inter-conference (Big XII-MWC)
Arkansas-Texas died when Arkansas left the old SWC and joined the SEC.
Clemson-South Carolina is typically played on one of the last two weekends in November and is also inter-conference (ACC-SEC).
Florida State-Miami is typically played in October, but before 2004 it was an inter-conference series. Florida has been Florida State’s arch-rival and that series has been typically played the Saturday before Thanksgiving.
Texas-Oklahoma was originally an inter-conference series until Texas joined the Big 8 with 3 other schools to make it the Big XII. That game has almost always been the 2nd Saturday in October and also hasn’t been played on campus since 1923. Contrary to what most people think, Texas-Texas A&M is the traditional arch-rivalry for both schools.
Utah-BYU is traditionally played within a week of Thanksgiving and it has long been an intra-conference game.
Notre Dame-USC is a different animal in that when it’s played in South Bend it’s usually in October; when it’s played in LA it’s the Saturday after Thanksgiving. And it matches Pac-10 and Independent schools.
Probably the idea that playing the Big Game the final week and the spectre of having to beat the same team two weeks in a row. So you win the rivalry game but lose the war. It diminishes the value of the rivalry.
I have a feeling we’ll end up with the geographical split, because the zipper causes too many logistical headaches that not everyone will agree with.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jul 29, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Except when it comes to the geographical split, you get a situation where either the Cal schools are pissed, or the NW schools are pissed.
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-R-E-A-K-I-N-H-E-R-O-U-T-M-A-N"
I find it especially puzzling because very few people see any rivalry game other than their own. So why wouldn’t 80% of the league be interested in seeing a game they didn’t get to see this year? And the other 20% would LOVE to see it again…
It could be that this is all a smokescreen. Larry Scott has been bold and decisive. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a good idea of how he wants to split up the divisions. But, he has to make a good show of having considered all the possibilities. There’s no solution which will make everyone 100% happy.
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MOVING THE RIVALRY GAME TO THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR IS ONE OF THE FRESHEST, MOST INTELLIGENT IDEAS OF THE YEAR. NOW, IF YOU’LL EXCUSE ME, I AM GOING TO GO ROOT FOR STANFURD AND EAT PAINT CHIPS.
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So the only new thing is you rooting for Stanfurd.
it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-R-E-A-K-I-N-H-E-R-O-U-T-M-A-N"
I was gonna go with the paint chips, actually.
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by atomsareenough on Jul 30, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm confused
When is the last time Cal/Furd has actually been the last game of the year. I’ve only been around for 7 years, but I can only remember playing lame ass Udub to end the season.
by Another Failed Tedford QB on Jul 30, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Last game of regular season
For both teams: 2007 (Palo Alto) and 2006 (Berkeley)
For one team: 2008 (Stanfurd)
In the 2000s, the Big Game was Cal’s final regular season game in 2000, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, and 2007. It would have been Cal’s last regular season game in 2001 and 2004 also, but for the rescheduling of games that had been postponed earlier in the season.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jul 29, 2010 9:19 PM PDT reply actions
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by awkwardturtle on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ll take her… only if you sterilize and detoxify her first.
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by Swamphunter on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t have a job at the moment.
As much as I love teh booze, I am not wasting all my money on buying her liquor.
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by Swamphunter on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Pac 12 Cooler plan
The best division split is that outlined at Pac12Cooler.com
who wouldn't like
Washington and Arizona in an annual “rivalry”, or the always vital Washington St – USC game made annual? Oh wait, that would be everyone.
WTF, why is Mikey Mo taking a dump in the South End Zone of Memorial Stadium!?!?!
by PlayClassyBears on Jul 30, 2010 4:24 PM PDT reply actions
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