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This Friday Pac-10 officials will meet to discuss how to separate the conference into divisions after Utah and Colorado join.  One of the most contentious issues is playing the LA teams, as teams want the annual exposure by playing a game in the conference's largest recruiting hub.  Everyone wants to make an annual trip, but under the new format, it's likely that several teams will go years at a time without a visit to an LA school.  To solve this, coaches and officials have been pushing for all sorts of "zipper" plans.

A geographical split could result in a "North" team not playing either USC or UCLA in a particular season and, worse, going several years without having a game in Los Angeles.

Another way to arrange divisions is to split the natural rivals (for instance, Cal in one division, Stanford in the other) but with the assurance that they would play every year.

This format, which has become known as the "Zipper Plan," would assure every school of a game against USC or UCLA every year and a trip to Southern California every two years. "We're looking at several 'Zipper' options," Scott said.

One variation, the "California Zipper," would place one Bay Area school and one L.A. school with the Oregons and Washingtons in the North and one Bay Area school and one L.A. school with Utah, Colorado and the Arizona schools in the South.

Critics of the "zipper" arrangement believe the natural rivals must be paired together, but the concept is gaining traction within league circles. Bowlsby said the schools Stanford plays every year is more important to him than divisional alignment. In other words, he's fine with Cal being in a different division as long as the Big Game is played every year.

Bellotti said he favors the "zipper" format, and believes it can be tweaked to preserve long-time rivalries. He suggested that in an eight-game conference schedule, teams would play five games within their division and could include one or two traditional games on an annual basis from outside their division.

After the jump 20 coaches shine some light into the dark corners of college basketball, JO places Cal at 7th in his Pac-10 ballot, and more.

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  • 20 anonymous coaches give their opinions on what's wrong (and to a lesser extent, what's right) with college basketball.  They discuss recruiting, rules violations, trust, dirty play, and more.  It's a very revealing and intriguing article.

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IMO this is the best option

“One variation, the “California Zipper,” would place one Bay Area school and one L.A. school with the Oregons and Washingtons in the North and one Bay Area school and one L.A. school with Utah, Colorado and the Arizona schools in the South." (if we are included in the North division). I care much more about the Oregons and UW than the Arizonas and – at least for now – the new guys.

However, being in the South would make for some great away-game trips.

by GrandeBear on Jul 25, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

if we cant group the 4 California schools together, then yeah, I like this option too. I hope Cal and UCLA be grouped together with the North schools. Playing the Oregon schools plus UW is pretty tough compared to AZ schools and Utah/Colorado, but we will miss USC. Altho I prefer Cal to play USC every year as well.

by JustBear on Jul 25, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still like the Red and Not-Red zipper.

Red: Wazzu, OreSt (Orange is close enough), Stanfurd, USC, ASU, Utah
Not Red: Washington, Oregon, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado

I think those are pretty even as well.

"UC Davis??? hahahahaha" - Aaron Rodgers

by atomsareenough on Jul 25, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey, looks good to me—quite clever actually! did you come up with this or did you read it some where?

Samuels said. "That last-minute shot at halftime sums it up. Shooting off one leg? C'mon, man."

by ikoolykedat on Jul 26, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been in favor of this split for quite a while. I’m sure I’m not the only one who has thought of it, though. The name could probably be improved upon, though :)

"UC Davis??? hahahahaha" - Aaron Rodgers

by atomsareenough on Jul 26, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

u of a has red, and osu doesnt. i say swap them!

Remember, the enemy's end zone is DOWN!

by GoldBlooded on Jul 26, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The basketball article is really good, I thoroughly recommend it.

by chowder on Jul 25, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Best option for Cal would be:

(1) All CA schools are in the same division, thereby Cal preserves its rivalry with Stanfurd, and it also plays UCLA and USC every year.

Screw the NW schools. They can recruit from Canada, and Idaho.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Jul 25, 2010 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Alaska is a big fracking state too! If only half of the hunting-by-helicopter kids devoted as much time to football as they did ridding this world of evil moose, the NW schools would be rich!♠

Samuels said. "That last-minute shot at halftime sums it up. Shooting off one leg? C'mon, man."

by ikoolykedat on Jul 26, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Montana!
  1. State to recruit out of after California and Texas

by LordKdV on Jul 25, 2010 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

The Zipper is Stuck

Here’s a problem with the Zipper that’s been overlooked: TV broadcasts

Under the Zipper Plan, archrivals will be split between the two divisions. For example, let’s say that Division A includes USC, Stanf*rd, Arizona, Utah, Oregon State, and Washington; Division B includes UCLA, Cal, ASU, Colorado, Oregon, and WSU. Let’s also assume that the California schools are permanent opponents with each other.

All Division A schools not in California (Arizona, Utah, Oregon State, and Washington) will visit and host USC (and Stanford) in alternating years. All Division B schools not in California (ASU, Colorado, Oregon, and WSU) will visit and host USC 2 times in 4 years. That means they will host USC 1 time in 4 years.

If TV broadcasts follow USC as they move through their schedule both at home and on the road, Division B schools not in California will host USC only half as many times as Division A schools not in California. What other opportunities will Division B schools have to host games that earn TV broadcasts and the corresponding rights fees? And will those Division B schools attract as many opportunities to host a game broadcast on ABC or ESPN?

There is a different concept called Dynamic Division Alignment that evenly distributes the home and away games with each school while preserving traditional rivalries.

Pac-12 Dynamic Division Alignment Proposal (2010-07-04).doc
Pac-12 DDA (for Google Docs).xls (you’ll have to click on the Download (213 KB) link to see the Excel workbook).

by FiatSlug on Jul 26, 2010 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Secondary Rivalries

In theory it works, I can’t think of a way to structure it well though.

For Cal, USC is one of the big games, and in the forseeable future, it is probably one of the most money generating games for the conference. I do like playing the baby bears too.

Oregon and Washington hate each other. Tangentially, Oregon State hates everyone in the Northwest, but nobody ever takes them seriously.

I’m sure Washington and Colorado would like to smack Neuheisel and UCLA around given what he’s done to their programs.

Whoever gets Washington State in their side wins, and the next weakest football/basketball school is Colorado. So I feel they should be split up.

I guess the best is to divide it East and West statewise.

West:
Washington, Oregon State (by a hair), Stanford, UCLA, Arizona State, Utah.

East:
Washington State, Oregon, Cal, USC, Arizona, Colorado.

Which violates all of my rivlary ules.

by Manwich on Jul 27, 2010 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  


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