Bear Necessities: Putting Chris Martin's Transfer To Florida In Perspective
In a surreal span of eight months, Chris Martin has left an undeniable impact on Cal football. He fell into our laps after the Charlie Weis firing in Notre Dame and Charlie Strong departure in Florida. He helped recruit some of the biggest members of our 2010 class, talking with them excitedly at the Army All-American Bowl about the chance to play at Cal. He became the future of Cal football overnight, a defensive star that would have the same galvanizing impact on attracting top class talent that Desean Jackson had a half-decade ago.
Then, with most fans having seen not a minute of tape on him, or watch him put on the Cal pads, much less a glimpse of him on Telegraph, he was gone to Gainesville (he'll be redshirting and will sit out a year). Just like gunsmoke, he came in with a huge bang and disappeared without a trace.
Like any football athlete trying to fulfill his dreams, I wish him all the luck whereever he goes and that he figures out how to avoid the 'distractions' that have been weighing on him since returning to the Bay Area. Because (shocker) I don't like seeing talented 18 year old kids fail. Here's to hoping he ends up in a situation where he can mold and develop into a strong athlete and individual.
To all the people who want info, I don't really have interest in the circumstances as to why Martin left. The only thing I care about is how his departure affects our football program going forward. Let's talk about it a little after the jump, and why those panicking about what this means for 2010 are overreacting just a bit.
Martin's departure hurts. But it doesn't hurt us this season. giantfan5 has been watching the team closely and had this to say.
Disappointing for sure, but I don’t think it’s going to have too negative of an effect on the team. Like someone said above, Martin wasn’t really in the mix for this season, but for down the road. He really wasn’t around much at all during the past few weeks for off-season work outs. Honestly, I don’t think guys on the team had much of a chance to get to know him at all. I don’t think anybody else is going to jump ship over this, so it sucks, but the sky isn’t falling.
After watching the formerly coveted Devon Kennard take all season and a dozen injuries to round into form at USC, I kind of figured Martin would have a similar learning curve. He'd showcase his talents over time, given time. So this might have an impact on 2011 and 2012 when we're in need of outside linebacking help.
For 2010 though? Well, let's look at solarise's visualization of linebacker depth based on experience.
Chris Little's dismissal hurt us more, right now. Little seemed to have all the chops to start, and was seriously being considered for a starting position. Without Little, it pretty much means some Golden Bears new to the grind will have to see a lot of it this season (not necessarily as a starter, but a backup), and they'll be forced to do things in Clancy Pendergast's defense that they can't quite handle yet. That's where the defensive breakdowns begin.
(It could also mean more of the 4-3 fronts that Pendergast was showing in spring practice might get put into play. Our defensive line depth isn't too bad and we might have more experienced guys up front rather than in the middle of the field.)
Keith Browner is a likely candidate. He's our current DE/OLB hybrid guy and has shown plenty of potential to rush the outside. He didn't produce much last season, but got a lot of first-team snaps all spring.
As for the other outside linebacker? It figures to be Mychal Kendricks, who missed all of spring practice after shoulder surgery. Kendricks performed well in the Pointsettia Bowl in terms of getting to the quarterback (even when he was playing in a role similar to a defensive end, shedding the right tackle for a sack on Jordan Wynn). Kendricks showed great promise that he could evolve into a consistent pass rush threat; whether he can make the leap this season remains to be seen.
Jarred Price is the other guy who has a shot. But after two sacks in the first two games last season he ended up with only 0.5 sacks the rest of the year. He might end up having to get second-team snaps if Kendricks and Browner are ahead of him, although the position looks like it'll be fluid.
Finally, there's Ryan Davis, a JC transfer who is another DE converted into LB. Both he and Price figure to be the best options behind Kendricks and Browner. He redshirted last season and could get some looks if he can impress in fall camp--Tedford was excited about what he'd see from him this spring, although he didn't really differentiate himself from the pack.
A few additional notes:
- Keep in mind Martin left Bishop O'Dowd for Grandview in Colorado to escape the Bay Area before his senior year of high school. So this has been a recurring issue.
A good comment from Monica's Dad: "Lots of folks seem to think Chris is copping out by leaving, or that he’s somehow going to have the same distractions wherever he goes. Which just ain’t so."
- The big question a lot of people are wondering about: Will any of the guys Martin influenced to come to Cal second-guess their decisions? I'm guessing no. Although he played a significant part in their recruitment, I doubt Keenan Allen, Gabe King, Chris McCain and Zach Maynard are going to wake up and say, "Oh man, he left us? I'm not sure if I can stay either." (Seriously, picture that scenario right now. Would you leave school if some dude who recruited you decided to leave?) It's not like these guys were going out to the club every night or doing study sessions in the Stacks.
It might've been a possible risk if they were all separate individuals, but those guys are pretty much a group of their own. They should be fine. This class is not breaking apart, and if there are any defections, they'll have more to do with not adjusting well to the Cal grind than anything else.
- Recruiting really brings out the ugliest in our fanbase, doesn't it? Not more than an hour after the decision by Martin came along all the usual accusations that come from a heralded recruit leaving a program (I won't dignify the sites with links, and I hope you don't either--all such accusations not based on any hard evidence will not be tolerated either). Disgraceful behavior.
Here's something to ponder: Martin owes you nothing. He doesn't get paid. He doesn't get a cent of the dollars you spend on tickets. He's an 18 year old kid who decided he made the wrong decision where to go to college. How many mothers and fathers are here that have gone through the same dilemma? How many of you reading this made the wrong decision before ending up at Cal (or heaven forbid, leaving Cal to finish things elsewhere)?
I don't enjoy getting self-righteous about this, but come on.
- Yes, it sucks that Martin is gone and that we'll have to see him rush the quarterback on another team. It hopefully won't hurt as much as seeing Ndamukong Suh turn down Cal and blossom as the #1 pick in Nebraska hurts, but it could definitely sting if he develops into the player we all think he's capable of becoming.
But this isn't basketball. And one star player can't bring a program over the top (see Jackson, Desean). It takes many players in many places in many units to work together to bring a glory. This class is still great and has plenty of potential.
And Martin's final legacy at Cal could be just fine if Keenan Allen is even half the player we expect him to be, and Gabe King becomes our defensive end of the future, and Chris McCain shows up in a year and does his thing.
All things considered, he's done a lot for us. Let's make sure to do the same back and support his development as a player in Florida.
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I wish, and perhaps this did happen, that Jeff Tedford and Co. found someway to make it work for C-Mart at Cal. Crazy ideas that pop into my mind include having him room with Alex Mack-type guys, asking him to leave his car at home (really puts you on an island). I mean, it’s July 20th. At most he’s been back home for 7 weeks if he just graduated from that Colorado high school.
Of course, some things could have become apparent to Tedford in that short time (drug dealing/using, gang activity, Reggie Bush-like entourage) that maybe made “fighting to help C-Mart work it out” something that could have had catastrophic consequences down the line.
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I wish you wouldn’t speculate about what made him transfer, particularly since there is nothing out there to justify these scenarios.
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It’s pretty safe to say he has major issues, whatever they might be.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jul 21, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
How is that in any way true?
I got the same scholarship offer (Regents) at Ucla and Cal, I was pretty much set on going to Ucla, but changed my mind and took the Cal offer because it would be further away from my very large and somewhat overbearing family.
Does that mean I had “major issues”?
with your family? ye… second thought nvm
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by CruzinBears on Jul 21, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
This sounds like a little more than simply changing him mind….
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Come back to GSOM. We miss you !
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by GovernorStephCurry on Jul 21, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
“I’ll let Chris do the talking in his situation but Chris and the family thought that the distractions he left the bay area for in high school wouldn’t be a problem but it became apparent after he came back that that wasn’t the case and that it would likely only become more of an issue later so best to make the decision now.
Sure it’s speculative, the tone of my post acknowledged that, but that doesn’t mean it’s that far off nor should I not speculate on a freakin blog. Given what his pops said plus:
- his move to Colorado for his Sr year
- his well-documented enthusiasm for all things Cal
- this being late in the switcheroo process
- Everyone being hella vague about why, exactly, he’s leaving
I don’t think my comments are necessarily that far off the mark and, certainly in this space, deserves to be expressed. Me thinks he’s not leaving because he couldn’t find a way to squeeze his chem lab courses into his football schedule.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Best of Luck to Chris Martin
Chris Martin did what he had to do for himself. Realize, though, that Chris Martin has to be his own advocate, because very few, if any, other people will be.
It’s natural that fans of a particular program would be disappointed if a highly respected and touted recruit left their favorite program as Chris Martin did. But the fact remains that no fan has the facts to have a clear picture of Chris Martin’s life and is, therefore, incapable of making any sort of meaningful evaluation of his decision to transfer.
It’s difficult, if not impossible, to see how Martin’s decision will affect Cal. What happens in the fullness of time will tell the story. I remember very vividly during the Holmoe years that many fans were wailing and gnashing their teeth over the continued Holmoe head coaching tenure. Almost no one was similarly upset with the man who hired him, John Kasser.
And yet, because Holmoe’s two resignations (after the ‘99 and ’00 seasons) were refused by Kasser, it was possible for John Kasser to leave Cal well before Holmoe did. As a result, Kasser’s successor, Steve Gladstone, made the decision on Holmoe’s successor: Jeff Tedford. Because of that timing, and the fact that key people (Berdahl and Gladstone, in particular) were in key positions (as Chancellor and Athletic Director, respectively), it was possible to find a candidate for Cal’s football head coach who could rebuild the program in ways that were seemingly unimaginable in 2001.
Undeniably, this loss stings. But have faith that what Chris Martin is doing for himself will also work out for Cal in the long run.
The sky may look gray and cloudy, but it certainly isn’t falling.
interesting
I did not know about Holmoe’s attempted resignations. Thanks for that information.
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I totally agree. Adversity comes no what. It’s what you do in response to the adversity that separates people/programs from others. I’ve often joked how grateful I am for Holmoe because if it weren’t for him, we wouldn’t have Tedford.
In this instance, and all others, Tedford and his staff have again showed the highest level of class and respect.
You can bet Tedford is really ticked off though! This doesn’t make his job any easier.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jul 21, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I just want to point out that the Chinese character for “crisis” also means “mackerel.”
Just pointing that out.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 21, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes! Crack-girl!
Is that some sort of Da Vinci’s National-Treasure Code-ish key to this whole “milk-carton Martin” thing? Moreover, is wild speculation acceptable if it’s based – tenuously, to be sure – on absurd allusions to pop culture?
Stupidity and poor taste in abeyance, i can sympathize with wanting to leave town to avoid “distractions,” whatever they may be. Further, it’ll make for a great story in 2011’s national-title game, if Florida makes it.
Further, it’ll make for a great story in 2011’s national-title game, if Florida makes it.
I can already picture the 2011 headlines now:
“Martin meets former team in National Championship”
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
While trying very hard not to engage in overt speculation about the reason for this kid’s transfer, the phrase “distractions” sure does carry some heavy implications. And, all things considered (and assuming my inferences are in the right area), leaving the Bay Area is a wise move by Martin. After all, he’s got his whole life to make bad choices, why start now?
But the thing that really pops into my head is why Florida? I mean, recent history sure does indicate that there will be more than a fair share of “distractions” there, too.
Anyway, I do hope things work out for him. Sad to see him go, but such is big time football.
Careful, man. There's a beverage here!
I would guess that
the distractions are so personal in nature that any change of venue makes sense.
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by Rocksanddirt on Jul 21, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Why do bears fans read the other site? What else do i gotta do to get more fans here!
Quick note about Cecil Whiteside – he is in my humble opinion equal if not a better DE/OLB prospect compared to Chris Martin. When you watch Whiteside’s tapes he has just as much physical and athletic upside w/ even greater lateral speed compared to Martin to chase after RBs and harass QBs. Now that Martin is transferring Whiteside becomes even more important in our future plans. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for both Martin & Whiteside to succeed, no matter where they end up.
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by solarise on Jul 21, 2010 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of Whiteside what’s the latest with his academic issues and ability to enroll this fall?
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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
It still says “may not”. Should we just read that as “will not”?
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by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
not to read too much into JO’s words, but if Whiteside hasn’t reported to freshmen’s summer activities, that means he’s not even in the bridge program. greyshirt.
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Redshirt/Greyshirt
While both recipients of grey and red shirts attend classes at a school before participating in football games, the difference is in the player-to-be’s time of enrollment:
Via John Mackovic of The Desert Sun: "Grey shirt is a term used to designate an incoming freshman who waits until the second semester to enroll rather than the fall. College athletes are allowed a five year calendar to play four seasons. The calendar begins once one is enrolled. By waiting until the spring to start college, a player will be playing his last season in the sixth year after high school rather than the fifth. "
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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do bears fans read the other site? What else do i gotta do to get more fans here!
You’re doing a great job man. CGB’s market share, especially regarding recruiting, has skyrocketed because of you.
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Pretty bummed, but whatever
Taken from someone that bought a stupid #9 Jersey and personalized “Martin” on the back in hopes that he will become the defensive standout that we need to be a championship-caliber team….
…this sucks, but whatever.
There appears to be a lot of enablers around him, especially his parents. What he calls “love and support” is basically another term for enabling him to do whatever he chooses, on whatever whim he has.
He surely has issues, and his choice has been to run away from them. What might have suited him best is just to face up to his challenges, however daunting they may seem.
He surely is lucky that he has everyone door open and opportunity in his life…but one day, if he doesn’t man up, those doors will close. Best of luck to him, although I won’t be cheering.
I just don’t think that’s a fair take unless you know what the issues are.
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Why is that any less a fair take than the people who are unequivocally saying that it was the right move for him to leave, ALSO without knowing what the issues are?
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by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Because until proven otherwise, we should give the kid the benefit of the doubt? This couldn’t have been an easy decision, especially with the knowledge that he has to sit out a year now when he probably would have played a lot as a true frosh at Cal.
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I think that it’s probably a bit spiteful and mean-spirited to say “I won’t be cheering” for the guy, and DB did make a lot of speculative statements that I don’t necessarily agree with, but I thought that he also included a lot of caveats and such, and he’s entitled to his opinion.
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by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Because he and his family actually know what his situation is? I’m comfortable assuming they’re the ones that are right, given that they know what’s going on, and we are not the ones that are right (if we disagree), given we have no idea what the circumstances are.
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see what’s wrong with saying, “What might have suited him best is just to face up to his challenges, however daunting they may seem.”
I mean, that’s not an unequivocal statement by any means. There’s plenty of doubt and things we don’t know, but I don’t see what’s wrong with people expressing his opinion. Maybe CM did make the right decision; maybe he made a mistake. We don’t know, and neither does he, yet.
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by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
True, I suppose I don’t have any issue with that statement, but it’s more these kinds of things I object to:
There appears to be a lot of enablers around him, especially his parents.
There doesn’t really appear to be anything, because we don’t have any idea what’s going on.
He surely has issues, and his choice has been to run away from them.
I feel saying he’s running away from them is insulting, especially because again, we don’t know what issues he’s trying to remove.
He surely is lucky that he has everyone door open and opportunity in his life…but one day, if he doesn’t man up, those doors will close.
Again, the wording is insulting – I infer from “if he doesn’t man up” that he currently isn’t manning up.
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s speculative and I think it’s unfounded, but “appears” is a pretty subjective term.
Chris is running away, and I don’t know why that’s necessarily insulting. Sometimes running away is a smart move. I don’t always think it’s as a result of cowardice. In the military, I think they call it “tactical retreat” :) I’m not sure what DB meant about “manning up”, and I agree that his tone is a bit harsh, but the dude’s obviously a bit hurt, considering he’d already gotten a personalized Martin jersey made up and everything.
Anyway, I don’t agree with his take, but I don’t think it’s so provocative that it should be deleted or anything.
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by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, already getting a Martin jersey would hurt…
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate arguing point by point because it never amounts to anything but i'll bite.
When I say enabler, I mean that his parents are enabling him to change schools over and over. He went to like 3 different HS in 18 months, he pledges to ND, only to change his mind and go to CAL and then change him mind after enrolling for a few weeks and then going to UF.
His parents have showed unconditional love and support in letting him do anything he wants, but they also serve as the enablers in this situation.
Okay, “running away” has a bad connotation; maybe, “avoiding them” is a better choice of words?
Chris has every door open to him right now. He can sit down and basically choose whatever school he wants to go to for free (can you imagine how awesome that is?). He chose ND, switched to CAL and then switched to UF. Being able to enroll at UF after LOIs and enrolling in a separate school is not an opportunity that is opened to 99% of the college football athletes. He surely is a lucky man with so many choices and options at his finger tips.
If he doesn’t “MAN UP” and play some freaking good football to have these opportunities (like the NFL) be open for him, he will soon realize how quickly these doors shut.
by DavidsonBear on Jul 21, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That sounds more reasonable than how I interpretted your first comments.
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes Avoidance is the best course of action
In Organizational Psychology avoidance is considered a preferred method of resolution when there is not a possibility of gaining what it is you want.
Whatever Chris Martin is facing he clearly feels that his situation was going to be a problem that was “unavoidable” in the Bay Area. It was probably a very smart and mature move for an 18 year old to make.
There are plenty of people who have tried to stick it out and ended up getting burned badly.
I would rather have Chris become a #1 overall pick out of Florida, then stay at Cal and have these “distractions” affect his ability to play at the level we all know he can.
For those reasons (including his awesome recruiting efforts for Cal), I’m a huge Chris Martin fan and will be rooting for him at Florida.
I wish him and his family the best!
by PlayClassyBears on Jul 21, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he’ll come back to coach at Cal someday
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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
HE COULD BE THE NEW TOSH
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Tosh.2?
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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
say what?
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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
mrs. carp says, “There will never be another Tosh.”
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the joke only gets better with age
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by dballisloose on Jul 22, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you should still wear that Chris Martin jersey with pride. I’m sure he would appreciate it.
by PlayClassyBears on Jul 21, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Avi, I like that depth chart...
….2011 scares me. Talk me down from the ledge, because that depth chart looks pretty scary….some of these guys are going to get playing time early.
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2011 could be a curious year. There’ll be lots of new faces on offense and defense breaking through. I’d imagine zero expectations going into that season.
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The key to Tedford’s success has been development of the undervalued athletes. Mack did it, and Alualu did it. T Mil’s analysis on 2007 Pac-10 recruiting is evidence that Tedford & Co really knows what they are doing, despite of what the recruitniks say. I remain cautiously optimistic as always, to prevent any future facepalms or fetal positions.
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That has generally been key to most Pac-10 schools not named USC or Washington. Cal, Oregon and most notably OSU have thrived finding the diamonds in the rough.
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I imagine this means we’ll have one more scholarship to offer up now for next year? Any chance we find someone to give it to this year, anyone still out there who would/could transfer in?
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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
And this is why we have to keep perspective. Over the years, Cal’s coaches have recruited good players, even if they were not necessarily seen as “5-star” talent. And even without Martin, there is talent in the 2010 class and talent on the roster generally.
Would we have liked to keep Martin? Sure. But his departure is not the end of the program and it’s no reason to say we can’t be good this year, next year, the year after that, or the year after that.
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Martin’s Facebook page says, "I would like to thank everyone who has been supportive of me through my crazy mental episodes. A special thank you to my mother and father who have supported me no matter what. I love you both. God has granted me a second chance. A chance I cannot mess up. With that said. Go Gators. Thank You to everyone and all the coaches who showed their interest in me." – The Palm Beach Post
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if you went to his facebook page and saw that, then you probably saw also that he said ‘’Cal fans, please dont copy/paste my facebook pots on blog sites.’’
It looks like he went to the Palm Beach Post
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by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO
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I’ll be sure not to put pots his pots on blogs
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sings a diff tone w/ UF
After a summer at Cal, Martin decided that his heart wasn’t with the program and that there were too many distractions.
"When you’re distracted like that your heart isn’t fully focused on where it needs to be and it wasn’t out there," he said. "I felt it was somewhere else, and I think I found the place (in UF)."
Martin is unsure when he’ll arrive in Gainesville because he’s still working on dropping classes at Cal and is still filling out his UF application. The transfer should be finalized soon, allowing Martin to work out with his new team before the season starts.
http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20100721/ARTICLES/100729911/1136?p=all&tc=pgall
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Sounds a little of context. He could love Cal but the distractions could be affecting him in a way that doesn’t necessarily mean he “wasn’t with the program.”
by PlayClassyBears on Jul 21, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not worried about the depth chart at LB, quite frankly. We all want the young guys to play, and that’s clearly going to happen. If there’s going to a be a year for tempered expectations and “rebuilding,” it should be next year because we’ll be breaking in a new QB anyway.
And, Pendergast has shown in the past that he’s more than willing to go 4-3 if it turns out to be a better fit with our personnel. (depth at d-line, thin at LB)
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Cal fans have the right to be somewhat irritated with Martin. Surely most Cal fans reacted with class and wished Martin the best on various message boards and they should not detract from those statements as Cal fans, coaches and media should wish Martin the best and show that Cal is a classy University with a classy fan base. However, the timing and indecision on Martin’s part has surely hurt Cal no matter how anyone wants to look at it. The loss of Martin hurts Cal’s depth at outside linebacker for the coming season. Martin’s commitment also meant that other highly touted defensive end/outside linebackers went elsewhere during recruiting. A name that seems to be most frequent on message boards is Owamagbe Odighizuwa who played the exact same position as Martin and chose UCLA after Martin committed to the Bears. Now we will never know fully why Odighizuwa committed to UCLA and hopefully it had more to do with than just the fact that the Bears had already had a commitment from another highly touted player that plays the same position, but surely Martin’s commitment to the Bears did not help in recruiting Odighizuwa and other defensive end/outside linebacker prospects.
Timing does suck, but clearly Chris Martin was trying to make it work. Moving back must have made him realize it wasn’t going to.
by PlayClassyBears on Jul 21, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Surely, most Cal fans, coaches and players wish Martin the best and realize that 18 year old kids make mistakes and indecision is just part of life at that age. However, I hope that Martin and Cal can learn from these mistakes and avoid these rather precarious situations in the future.
Yeah, i don’t care at all. I just go to every home game, multiple road games each year, donate blindly, and post on this blog about football for the hell of it.
then why is it wrong for me to say that the impact of Martin’s decision hurt our program? surely a cal fan like yourself should understand that.
I didn’t say it was wrong of you to post it. I should have said “new to the college football thing and the drama associated with it.”
I agree with your whole statement but the hope that Cal can avoid “precarious situations in the future” is not too reasonable. Every player’s situation is different but Martin’s is very unique.
well to be completely honest im not sure i buy all of martin’s im leaving cause of personal reasons stuff that has nothing to do with cal stuff. i think it may have some impact but i think the most prominent reason actually has to do with the fact that the kid saw the opportunity to go to Florida, a big time football school and took it.
Sorry to be blunt, but you are reaching for something that simply is not there.
by Cali49a on Jul 21, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, I think you might be off-base gobears. Chris’s actions and words about Cal speak very loudly and clearly. He WANTED to make it work. It just didn’t. It’s too bad for both parties. Let’s not hide our disappointment. It is a blow. I think we all hoped Chris Martin would be the kind of player you build defenses around (he still may be for FL). So yeah, losing him sucks big time. Let’s not misdirect our hurt emotions and blame Chris Marin on this one. He’s been nothing but classy the whole way. Let’s not give him reason to change his tone.
by PlayClassyBears on Jul 21, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
im just suspicious is all. i may be off base and it may be off the wall, but nobody really knows what went on behind the scenes and what his reasons were for doing what he did. not that it really matters at this point.
He had the opportunity to pick Florida before he committed to Cal. He chose Cal over Florida.
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by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, 5 star recruits can go just about wherever they want….
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, so leaving now because an opportunity opened up at Florida is implausible, as the opportunity at Florida was ALWAYS available to him.
"UC Davis??? hahahahaha" - Aaron Rodgers
by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
In the most recent article at a paid site
He said that he always wanted to be at Florida and that he didn’t sign because Meyer was in the hospital at that time. When he signed the LOI at CAL, he already regretted it and he said it ate him up every day.
GREEEATTT….
by DavidsonBear on Jul 21, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
If that is really true, it doesn’t benefit anyone to have him on board to try and make it work out. It’s hard to distinguish rumor from fact. But it is becoming clearer that this separation appears to be the best for all parties.
by PlayClassyBears on Jul 21, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
that's such bullcrap
wtf? Then don’t sign the LOI until the situation is resolved. That’s just f-ing retarded.
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retarded is harsh
but still, it’s stupid
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From what I’ve seen on this site the Cal fans have been very supportive of Chris Martin. I’m VERY sad to loose him as I feel he could have been a great Bear! I wish him the best at Florida. I hope Chris will think positive of Cal fans and when he gets a sack for Florida he will make a big “C” sign!
by calas on Jul 21, 2010 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Does this have any impact, either positive or negative on our recruiting for this year?
Maybe positive if Cal looks more attractive post-Martin to someone looking for “early PT” at the hybrid position? Jason Gibson? Or if we really want to dream, why not Ray Drew?
Maybe negative if losing such a high-profile recruit in unusual circumstances casts Cal in a bad light and hurts our momentum.
GOLD OUT MOZAMBIQUE!
If we can find a good OLB recruit, the situation cancels itself out in my mind.
In football, there’s no such thing as a game changing recruit coming right out of the box. They become game changers through the process, and most of the guys who do become the game changers weren’t that hyped up to begin with.
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I still think he could have been an asset in recruiting future players had he stayed.
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but he also said in an interview that he wont be involved in recruiting in the future as he did for this year’s recruiting class.
Don’t worry. We still got Tosh. When we lose him, that’s when we are in REAL trouble.
He would not have been involved at the level he was involved with this year, but recruits have host players when they make their official visit to campus. THAT is where he would have a big impact.
Yep, seems like the kind of guy that would have made a great host.
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Too many people doing exactly what I said not to do in this post
all such accusations not based on any hard evidence will not be tolerated either
I know people are upset that he’s gone, but it does us no good to denigrate him when he’s walking out the door. It doesn’t matter to us anymore why he’s gone, it only matters that he’s gone.
Focus on how this affects the football team, not Martin.
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The people like you, the just don’t respect you ;-) Actually, I think no amount of like or respect can overcome the fans’ thirst for blood.
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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be much more productive if you would respond to those comments instead of making vague pronouncements about the community.
Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic.
It would be more productive if you learned to read simple instructions instead of making snarky remarks and snap judgments.
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More productive, but not more fun.
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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, cut it out. If you want to defend your point of view, go ahead, but “blow me” is not an argument.
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by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Blow him!!!!
CGB: Come join the LOLigarchy
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 21, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
No, u.
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by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s ridiculous to post anything about recruiting and then tell the room, “no speculating.” Because recruiting is a game of speculation. And, shocker: character comes up all the time. … I entered the conversation late, have only posted in response to comments Chris has made publicly, and haven’t really said anything harsh about the kid. Because I ultimately wish him all the best in figuring out how to manage his talents and forthcoming celebrity.
The problem I have is that Avinash thinks that we must limit ourselves to blind handshakes and grinning thumbs up in our reaction to him regarding this. If we’re being truthful, any of us, it’s more complicated than that. It’s a bit disappointing to be left by a potential star and it should be fair to say that. And reading generic spin job quotes from a high school kid in multiple media outlets is annoying. Sharing a thought, however I choose to do it (perhaps “yawn”), that we may have dodged a bullet with this guy isn’t denigrating his character, it’s fair commentary in reaction to his public comments.
Avinash should be specific in his criticisms of the room and use that “Reply To” button that he so often points out to others. You should smile and blow me.
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by zoonews on Jul 21, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

"UC Davis??? hahahahaha" - Aaron Rodgers
by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
None of your business!
"UC Davis??? hahahahaha" - Aaron Rodgers
by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions

"UC Davis??? hahahahaha" - Aaron Rodgers
by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough. You make several good points and I would imagine that many people share the same reactions.
I can appreciate a well-written argument, and I respect that you took the time to put that together instead of continuing to throw out insults.
It’s not the easiest thing to juggle moderation, content, and still try to provide an open forum. We do the best we can and it’s admittedly hit and miss at times.
Personally, I know that I worry about Cal officials cracking down on CGB and limiting our access if we say the wrong thing.
Any way you want to spin it, it’s a sad development for all of us as Cal fans. Maybe we could all use a little “help” with smiling.
Irate Toothmonger - Will get all up in your business for food
If we think that the Golden Bears will win games....
simply because we trot the most highly ranked recruiting class onto he field some year doesn’t understand the nature of football at the collegiate level. Yes, having the horses to compete at the highest level is important! But, having good athletes (which we do by the way) who bring it every snap and play hard-nosed, instinctive, fundamentally sound football with reckless abandon – can beat a team with superior athletes on most days (otherwise how would the Beavers win any games). The mental and emotional focus of this team on game-days is critically important if we have any hope of competing for the Pac X/XII title. I think that being under-rated (and Whiteside’s gray-shirt/Martin’s departure will likely reduce expectations further – even though the impact of their presence wouldn’t have been felt until 2011) will require every Golden Bear football player to give maximum effort from snap to whistle on every play. They will not have the luxury of throwing their jockstraps on the field and hoping the other team will just abandon all hope before a down is played.
It’s all about the coaching & leadership of this year’s team creating an atmosphere in which the above mentioned mental and emotional focus is at maximum for 4 quarters every game. If we fail in this critical aspect of the game, then no amount of talent will help us (See U$C 2009).
Flagged for selectively showing your appreciation.
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by dballisloose on Jul 22, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
nobody is accusing martin of anything, they are going off his own quotes that he made to a reporter on that site
can you give us the general gist of what he said?
I don’t pay for rivals and would like to know any additional info
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and if this goes against what avi said
then don’t post it. My bad.
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Don't post it
I found it elsewhere.
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I'm aware of the article
It sounds like the quotes of a confused 18 year old kid. I see no reason to get up in arms, nor a reason to continue to beat this story into the ground.
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this is offseason
we beat everything into the ground
by DavidsonBear on Jul 21, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You are making conclusions based on message board speculation from people that really have no idea what is going on and misinterpreting quotes in articles so you can drag Chris Martin’s name through the mud.
I like your enthusiasm for Cal but there’s way more to it than a handful of people here want to believe. Take my word for it.
Do you think Tedford had any role in helping him end up at Florida, based on his purported close ties to Urban Meyer?
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jul 21, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
You are allowed to post links to your post in the fanshot section or the DBD. You are not allowed to post links to your site in the fanpost section or the general comments area.
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Also, learn to use the “reply” button, it’s at the lower right corner of every comment.
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Avi’s angry. Avi mad. Avi SMASH!
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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I just realized that I now have to change my signature :-( I’m no longer a Martini!
I am a proud member of LB Chris Martin's fan group: the Martinis
by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
signature changed...
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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
This is going to suck
in the next couple of years. For now, it doesn’t hurt too much. He was going to be a reserve (albeit a high quality one) so it isn’t a huge pain. But next year, it’s going to hurt when we were counting on him to be a starter. Nice article.
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i know cal fans are upset, but cal will be fine. we werent hurting that much at linebacker and we still arent. jarred price had a good spring. kendricks will have another year of experience under his belt. we still have enough depth and our defense will still benefit from having clancy’s new more aggressive scheme. we will just have to recruit another linebacker this year. if martin’s heart wasnt going to be in then he wouldnt have become the leader people hoped he would anyway. cal will bounce back from this. i guarentee you this. it is a minor setback. the year wasnt going to hinge on martin anyway. it is really going to depend on whether the secondary can step up, the o-line can step up and whether riley can step up and become one of the top qb’s in the conference. we still have vereen and even keenan allen the other 5 star recruit wasnt going to make that much of a difference this year cause i think ross and lagy will start over him
flagged....
Anger is always rational

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by dballisloose on Jul 21, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Always this.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Except for always.
"UC Davis??? hahahahaha" - Aaron Rodgers
by atomsareenough on Jul 21, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Except when its lupus.
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by dballisloose on Jul 22, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure if this is the right place to speculate about this, but I heard a rumor that Chris Martin left, because he wanted to be represented by a better SBN blog than CGB.
So, it’s all your fault readers of this site! Especially you Cali49A! Especially you!
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Wait, it’s the readers fault? I would think that would be the founding members of the blogs fault….
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
If Avi and Twist are any indication, the founding members of the blog have no control or moderation over the readers. Thus, it is the readers’ fault.
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by dballisloose on Jul 22, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
If Avi and Twist are any indication, I think we can safely blame them for everything, including the BP oil spill. It definitely was their fault.
by Missing Barry on Jul 22, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Could be right, Twist has been leaking methane
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by dballisloose on Jul 22, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate the off-season
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
by norcalnick on Jul 21, 2010 5:32 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
1. Consider what has happened just the past couple of months in the conference alone:
- USC: sanctions, losing scholarship players, losing scholarships, losing top recruit in the nation (whatever that means), etc.
- UCLA: three high ranked recruits dismissed from team on first day of summer school for theft, at least for a year, maybe forever
- Washington: lose highly rated junior Tight End to discipline issues
- Oregon: lose starting quarterback and potential Heisman short lister
- Stanford: still Stanford (sorry, cheap shot)
- Oregon State: loses several starters on defense to various issues
- and I am sure there are others
Which is to say: teams lose key recruits, or even established players, all the time. This is not a special plague on Cal. In fact, arguably all the teams listed above lost more than Cal in this situation.
2. Consider how many highly ranked recruits don’t pan out. ESPN story identified above and again here. Who is to say Mr. Martin would have been better than two star Mike Mohamed was, or better than the fine list of linebacker recruits from this year alone?
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/11082/a-look-back-at-2007-recruiting
3. Consider the stories quoted above – it is not clear at all that Mr. Martin was going to excel at Cal had he stayed.
4. Consider injuries, academic wash outs, players who switch to ballet or piano, players who get into trouble with agents, etc. Projecting any individual high schooler to college level performance is an inexact science. Think about how much you changed between 18 and 22.
So, I think Cal will get through this fine. Yes, it would have been interesting to see a unique character like Mr. Martin grow and mature at Cal. Yes, he could be a top flight talent that could have helped the team (including this year.) But there are others who can step up, football is a team game, and developing players is a key part of the coaches jobs.
Finally, stay classy Cal. The young man changed his mind, which he had every right to do. And it is just football watching for us. It is his life. Let’s wish him well and hope he grows up as a player and a man.
jh
I’m not sure if this is the specific place I should be speculating about this, but have you guys heard the rumors that Chris Martin left Cal, because he didn’t want to have to pay any income tax on all of the money that Coach Jeff Tedford was going to pay him to play football.
It’s true, we pay our players, which is dishonest. But we also 1099 them, so it evens out.
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I heard it was California’s budget deficit. He was worried about the direction of the school, the athletic program, Cal football.
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
the real reason Martin left...
Being a former Oakland resident under the mayorship of Jerry Brown, Chris Martin had some personal concerns about the future state of the state once Brown becomes our next governor….FTW!
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by dballisloose on Jul 22, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s a dirty smear.
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by atomsareenough on Jul 22, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
it sounds like martin has some mental issues/inner demons to work out if you look at his facebook page. im not going to post it cause he asked people not to, but i dunno, he might have been an immense talent but it sounds like hes got a ways to go to put it all together mentally. maybe its not such a bad thing for cal. we will survive.
Look, I don’t know where we are supposed to speculate, but I think this is most likely the best place to posit the thought that perhaps he is filming a giant reality show. Has anybody reviewed the future listings for the E! network???? Perhaps “Miami Martin” is upcoming.
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I hear he wanted to join Lebron, Wade and Bosh, but UM didn’t have a scholarship, so the closest he could get was UF.
by Missing Barry on Jul 21, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Take this all with a grain of salt, but I heard a rumor from a Faceypage account that Chris Martin is transferring to Florida to run for US Senate. Given that nobody has ever seen a photo of Kendrick Meek or even heard him talk, it’s highly likely that Chris Martin is, in fact, Kendrick Meek.
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Twist
we get the point
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The word on the street is that future transfers may only go to other division 1 FBS SUKMIDIK schools if they can beat Jack Clark in a knife fight.
The following month Clark attended a party at the house of an acquaintance in San Francisco and went outside to help break up an altercation. He ended up squared off against a man with a 9-mm Magnum. The assailant, who was under the influence of PCP, fired at Clark, hitting him four times. One bullet shattered his left femur, another the left fibula. At San Francisco General Hospital, heavily sedated and suffering significant nerve damage in the leg, Clark was confronted with the possibility of amputation. One night, while drifting in and out of consciousness, he awoke to a lecture on prosthetic limbs from a hospital counselor. “I called up one of my mates,” Clark recalls, “and said, ‘I need you to get down here, and whatever you do, don’t let them take my leg.’”
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
That would only work if you trust the other schools to bring a knife to the knife fight. I’m 99% certain that USC would cheat and bring a bazooka, given their track record.
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by dballisloose on Jul 22, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
When it rains it pours
“Competitive cheer may, some time in the future, qualify as a sport under Title IX,” Underhill wrote. “Today, however, the activity is still too underdeveloped and disorganized to be treated as offering genuine varsity athletic participation opportunities for students.”
http://cbs5.com/sports/cheerleading.title.ix.2.1818234.html
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
where are all the future pharmaceutical sales reps gonna come from?!?!
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Doesn't get paid?
Good article except for the line about “He doesn’t get paid”. Not only does he get a free education, he gets free room and board, free clothing/shoes, and a monthly spending money stipend (I think its about $900/month). College football players definitely get paid- they get probably $80,000 worth of stuff in their 4-5 years in the program.
Agreed that "doesn’t get paid’ is not an accurate description, but I do think it would be accurate to say “they don’t get paid what they deserve”….
by Missing Barry on Jul 27, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
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