Pac-12 to be split into North and South divisions
by Berkelium97 on Jun 16, 2010 4:12 PM PDT
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PrintThe Denver Post is reporting that Utah will be joining the Pac-10. While this is not unexpected, what is intriguing is that Colorado AD Mike Bohn seems to have been promised a spot in the Pac-12's South division. Utah has also been given a spot in the South and will become Colorado's regional rival in the conference. Here's the breakdown of divisions:
Pac-12 North: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford
Pac-12 South: Utah, Colorado, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State
After the jump we have comments from Bohn and some lingering questions about the Pac-12 (championship game?).
Part of the reason Colorado joined the Pac-12 South was because of the number of alumni in Southern California. Apparently it was part of Colorado's conditions for accepting the Pac-10's initial invitation.
Playing in a south division instead of a north with the Bay Area, Oregon and Washington schools was a must for Colorado to accept an invitation. Its largest out-of-state alumni base is in southern California.
"That is a huge boost for us," Bohn said. "The southern division for the University of Colorado provides many opportunities that are keys to reaching our alumni to our recruiting and to enhance media exposure that connects best to the Denver market."
With the Pac-12 all but finalized, Ted Miller asks some lingering questions that should be answered before the conference begins its first season as a twelve-member unit.
- What will be the format of a conference championship game? Will it be played at a neutral site or on the home field of the No. 1 seed?
- When will Colorado and Utah join the conference? It seems there's growing momentum for both to join in 2011-12.
- Will Utah and Colorado add enough juice for the conference to start its own TV network?
- And, finally, when the new TV and media contracts are signed, how much will the per team revenue increase? Can the conference even approach the $17 to $22 million distributed by the SEC and Big Ten?
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I think being put in the North is an absolute boon for us. Let USC, UCLA and Utah battle it out every year. I feel good about us competing with the Oregons and Washingtons for the North.
by BlackandOldGold on Jun 16, 2010 4:20 PM PDT reply actions
Oregon and OSU have fought it out in the Civil War the last 2 years for the right to go to the Rose Bowl. It’s not going to be easy peasy
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Very True
But I don’t like the idea of getting my hopes up to rip a trojan every year.
Sadly yes, the pun works well there too :(
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WAIT
Apparently it was part of Colorado’s conditions for accepting the Pac-10’s initial invitation.
but if Texas accepted the invitation and formed Pac-16, then Colorado would have been put in the East Division and they would not be put in the same division with any of the California schools.
I understand it was the case for “initial” invitation, before they even thought about Pac-16, but still. I guess in the case of Big12 Meltdown, they would have been happy just to be included in the group and not be left out. ie. Baylor.
Anyways, I dont want no Rose Bowl without beating UCLA and USC.
After waiting my entire life for a Rose Bowl (and that’s 51 years!), I’ll take one any way I can get one.
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by CalBear81 on Jun 16, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
The Rose Bowl is meaningless to me now. The whole point of that Holy Grail was that it symbolized a Pac-10 championship. Now any such “championship” in the future is going to come via a flawed formula of unbalanced schedules, divisional standings, and a made-for-TV “championship” game sponsored by Pacific Life or some such corporate entity.
Screw it. At this point—only somewhat toungue-in-cheek—I’d just as soon see Cal and Stanford give a big F-You to the Pac-10 offices and petition to join the Ivy League. The only solution for me, at this point, would be to annul this marriage with Utah and Colorado or perhaps convince those xenophobes in Arizona to jump over to the Big XII, where I hear there are now a couple of openings.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Jun 16, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The Rose Bowl is meaningless to me now.
Flagged. It would still come as a by-product of a Pac-12 championship. I mean, in the current setup, if USC went to the national championship and we went to the Rose Bowl, would anyone honestly complain? I don’t think so.
"UC Davis??? hahahahaha" - Aaron Rodgers
by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I would, actually. When we got screwed out of it by Texas I was actually a little bit not upset, because when I get there I want to get there FOR REALZ.
Let’s say we’d made it. Possibly even won it. You went and had a blast and it was amazing. Two decades later, do you really think you would even think about the notion that, “Yeah, but, well…. we were there because U$C went to the national championship game. Nevermind that we went 11-1 and won the Rose Bowl.”
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe Scootie is rationalizing to cope with the pain.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 17, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, pretend you live in my house...
…and it’s Christmas, and talk turns to the Rose Bowl that I’m all excited about going to next week.
And the rest of my family says, ’you’ll be the only team ever to have gone to the Rose Bowl without winning the conference. Including our crappy ass school. What’s that worth? Do you really get satisfaction from backing into something you’re not good enough to actually earn? Is that how we taught you to succeed? Just to pick up others’ sloppy seconds?’
Uh, no. Not really interested. I want to earn it.
It’s like when the first-runner up to Miss USA becomes Miss USA because Miss USA became Miss Universe. She didn’t really become a real Miss USA, they just needed a body in the spot. You guys can totally relate to that analogy, right?
I’d rather have a tarnished memory of an awesome time than no memory at all to tarnish.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Let’s see…If I lived in the Scootie house:
Well for starters, I’d say that we did win the conference in 2004. We’re due.
And then I’d say, “Btw, luvs, I’m on my way to Pasadena. What might you fine people be watching this season? The only bowl your team is sniffing is the one in the loo. Toodles!”
In all seriousness, if Cal went to the Rose Bowl as the 2nd place team, it’s only because another team went to the national championship. If our guys killed themselves all year, only to lose out to the eventual national finalists, there’s no shame in that. I’d say the Roses would still be well-deserved. I would go. I’d love every moment of it. And I would have no regrets.
I can’t be ashamed of ending the regular season as the #4 ranked team in the country. Just can’t work up any embarrassment about that at all.
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Dude. Rose Bowl. Before We Die. Pretty Simple. Not Co-Pac10 Champions, But Held Tie Breaker So Won Outright And Went To Rose Bowl. Before We Die. I mean its IN THE TITLE!
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And I don’t have all that much time left! As the sands through the hour glass . . .
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Is there a doctor in here? CalBear81 is ill and needs help. What? No doctor? Ok, is there a Rose Bowl Bound Cal team in here? WE NEED TO GET TO LA STAT! WE DON’T HAVE MUCH TIME! GIVE ME 400 CCs OF JEFF TEDFORD!
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My deepest fear
Cal stopped going to the Rose Bowl right after I was born. I fear Cal will never go to the Rose Bowl again as long as I am alive. I will never see Cal in the Rose Bowl, and It’s all my fault. Sob.
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Completely untrue. It. Will. Happen.
The SAHPC is coming. Karma has smacked down the conference cheaters.
Repeat after me: The Bear Will Not Quit. The Bear Will Not Die!
We can keep your brain and eyes in suspended animation if we have to – but you WILL see Cal in a Rose Bowl.
Your Cal spirit and positivity makes me feel all warm and tingly and optimistic.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m even feeling good about tonight’s Laker game.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not my feet that are tingly.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. TMI. You’re going to need to talk to someone else about medicinal creams for that area.
Irate Toothmonger - Will get all up in your business for food
…My chest?
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
So you’re saying I don’t have to fall on my sword for the greater good? Thank you Doctor.
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Yeah, I never pegged CalBear81 as a soap opera watcher.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Especially not after she confessed to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. (which was pretty awesome, admittedly)
I was a huge General Hospital fan when I was at Cal and in law school. Those were the “Luke and Laura” days, and GH was considered totally cool, even for Cal students. But I haven’t watched a soap in more than 20 years now. And I never did watch Days of Our Lives. (I love BtVS. I Like Spike!)
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Soaps bring a cringe because my mom’s parents would watch them while babysitting instead of playing with me. This lead to the infamous incident where I unplugged the tv and disabled the remote thinking that they would have to play with me…and instead learned the Chinese word for “get whacked upside the head with a wooden spoon.”
I’m almost ashamed to admit that I too was a big fan of BtVS and Spike was my fav character. Sac and Union City…in accord?
On the other hand, my 70-year-old Indian mother watched both Buffy and Days.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
What about my 70 year old Indian mother? What does she watch?
Also, PS, damn your mom musta been old when she had you if shes 70 now.
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Not exactly. I’m an only child, and my parents had only recently gotten married. Instead of an accident, I was more like “the last, best hope”.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
“the last, best hope”
You’re like Luke! (But without the hawt twin sister.)
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A sibling would’ve been nice, but I’m just happy I’m here.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Technically she’s gonna be 70 in like 3 1/2 weeks.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
would anyone honestly complain?
Only if I couldn’t get tickets, my friend.
I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.
Exactly.
"UC Davis??? hahahahaha" - Aaron Rodgers
by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you have a birthday recently?
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by atomsareenough on Jun 16, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, yes. I was born not quite five months after Cal’s most recent Rose Bowl appearance.
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That’s quite a recent birthday. Happy Birthday! Always worth celebrating, even when the number gets annoying large. So much better than the alternative.
Happy birthday, fellow Gemini(?)
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
This is RETARDED!
I can’t quantify how frustrated I would be if we loose Southern California games. I loved having an excuse to drive down to LA, hang out with friends and family, catch the game, and drive back. All in a weekend! It is really the only PAC-10 destination that is road-trippable for the Bay Area.
So win the North.
Then you can play them at the end of the season…provided they still have a football team.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 16, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with our Midwestern friend.
I think we caught a break here.
California Golden Blogs! It`s dat Woo WHOOOOO!
You only caught a break insomuch
as you get to play in a manageable division. However, you also still have to travel to Pullman, WA…er, have fun with that?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 16, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Better Pullman than corn state that’s for sure.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 16, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Nebraska?
Oh, you meant Indiana…or was it Illinois?
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by Kyle McCann't on Jun 16, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
good point, any corn region state.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 16, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It's entirely possible
that my Hawkeyes may never have to play another football game in that pit again. Here’s to hoping.
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by Kyle McCann't on Jun 16, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
what’s the difference between your two cornfields?
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 16, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Ames produces a nice red shovel product.
Iowa City knows hospitality.
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well i imagine at halftime and pick some fresh corn on the cob just outside of the stadium. pretty nice i must imagine.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 17, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
*at halftime they go
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 17, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Aw, smug superiority is cute
when poorly delivered and based off of ignorance. Neat.
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by Kyle McCann't on Jun 17, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I’m in the minority, but I don’t really see Cal’s division as being more manageable.
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by norcalnick on Jun 16, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There’s nothing really more manageable for everyone. I’d say USC/UCLA’s paths get a little easier and ours get a little harder, but the Pac-10 has been the toughest conference for quite awhile for good reason. No game is an easy win. Well…except for the Cougs…but even that isn’t likely to stay the same.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 16, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Historically Oregon and Oregon State were bottom dwellers but not anymore. Since 1990, Oregon has invested substantial resources into their football team and will remain solid for some time. Meanwhile, Oregon State with Mike Riley will always be a good team.
I think Washington will have a hard time controlling the northwest again like they were used to. They used to pull in better out of state recruits than the other northwest schools, but now they can’t compete against Oregon’s facilities.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 17, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Since 1990, Oregon Nike has invested substantial resources into their football team and will remain solid for some time.
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Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 17, 2010 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
correct. Oregon, the fully-owned Nike subsidiary. We only happen to be a partially owned Nike entity.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 17, 2010 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d say the conferences are pretty even.
U$C is comparable to Oregon
Utah is comparable to OSU
UCLA is comparable to Washington
WSU and CU are pretty comparable
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
cal – the one, the only, the truly incomparable
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by GoldBlooded on Jun 17, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I was just talking football-wise. ’Furd and Cal are probably pretty comparable to the AZ schools, maybe slightly better.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Technically, with the exception of Wazzu, this alignment should be a Pac-10 West (UW, Wazzu, Oregon, OSU, Cal, Stanford) and a Pac-10 East (USC, UCLA, Zona, ASU, Colorado, Utah).
by daveman on Jun 16, 2010 5:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
THIS.
If this is actually called P12-N and P12-S it will drive me crazy. It’s an east/west split, can we please name the divisions appropriately?
How about the Northwest and Southwest divisions?
This leaves the door open for another 12 teams…
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by Kyle McCann't on Jun 16, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Of all the blogs on SBN
this is the last one where I should have expected sarcasm to go undetected. I’ve been all over Pac 10 (or whatever) country and know where places are located. Just having fun at the expense of Scott’s grand expansion plans. I can’t imagine any geographic split of your league that will make sense while also making everyone happy.
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by Kyle McCann't on Jun 16, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we should bring in Honduras Tech and be really Northwest!
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Impossible.
Honduras Tech’s program received the death penalty. No, really, they were all killed by CIA operatives in the 80’s.
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by Kyle McCann't on Jun 16, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Why did you have to use the word "shot"?
It’s too soon…
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by Kyle McCann't on Jun 17, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but imagine trying to explain the geography of California to someone from the East Coast
Good lord, some people out there thought Texas bordered Arizona.
Imagine trying to explain that Cali runs from effectively Pennsylvania to Georgia, curves, and LA is significantly east of San Fran. Good luck with that. :)
It just means they will have to buy a map. Might be good for them to know where Afghanistan and Iraq are too. Let’s continue to maintain our educated sense of selves here!
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 16, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying we should buy stock in Rand McNally?
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by Maisbikkja on Jun 17, 2010 8:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No, it’s hopeless.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 17, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Opps
Pressed post by accident. But if we’re talking geography, west coasters (esp those from California) are WAYYYY worse. You want to know where my friend from california thought NJ was? Near Georgia. I don’t even know how that’s possible.
Well, to be fair, the road between them would fit entirely within the north/south axis of California. I think what both coasts don’t realize is the tremendous disparity in size of the west and the east. Neither side can really wrap their head around the scale of the other.
That's because in 5 hours
you can start driving in 1 state, drive through another 5 states entirely and end up in a 7th state. Whereas in California you can drive for 5 hours and never leave the state.
IMO the perfect name would be the Northwest division and the Southwest division. But geography is clearly becoming more an more irrelevant. Why should the naming be any different?
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Agreed let’s call them the USC division and the Division of really good teams except Wazzu.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 16, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny, just a few days ago I was frustrated that Cal wouldn’t get to play Oregon every year. Turns out it’s even worse than that.
Can we at least be guaranteed to play UCLA or USC every year? That would take a bit of the sting away from losing our 2nd and 3rd biggest rivalry games from the annual schedule.
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agreed.
Lets at least play one of them every year… home and away every 2 seasons.
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Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 17, 2010 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Not worried about losing a game in SoCal
From what the recent statements from Barbour and Tedford imply it seems as though Cal will still have their SoCal games. That was the arrangement in the old Pac-10 non-round robin.
Currently we play a 9 game conference schedule. If that remains then Cal only plays 5 teams in its division leaving 4 interdivision games. Meaning that we will likely get UCLA/USC + a rotation b/n CO, UT, ASU, & UA. Not too shabby. That also means UCLA and USC will rotate OSU, UO, WSU, & UW every couple of years. Undoubtedbly for the the Northwest schools they will probably try to arrange it so they get a SoCal road trip every other year to maintain presence. Everyone knows how important recruiting in CA is.
There is no way
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 16, 2010 5:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We’ll probably only play 3 interdivision games, because we need to make space for the Conference Championship game. Unless we cut down the non conference games.
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You don’t need space for a Conf Championship game, You can go to 12+1
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 16, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
They will go 12+1, the question is if they’ll go 4+8+1 or 3+9+1. I’d be really shocked if they kept the 9 game conference schedule.
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Can’t imagine we’ll go to anything other than 4+8+1. Nine conference games is the reason why we never get a second team in the BCS bowls. Too hard to run that table. Why would we up it to ten? It would be insane.
Interesting Response from the Trojans on the WeAreSC Forum
They mention an agreement for Cal to play U$C yearly included in the Pac 10 scheduling. Apparently Cal has played U$C 90 times (they say that’s more than Cal has played Stanfurd).
Great Quote:
“There seems to be quite a bit of hatred between USC and all the other California schools. I would hate to see whatever rivalry end.”
They also think the alignment will be better for Cal’s national ranking;
“If CAL avoids USC, then instead of being 8-4 and barely ranked or unranked, they go to 9-3 and a top-15-20 team. Oregon goes from 9-3 to 10-2. This is the way to keep 5-6 teams in the polls, and get a 2nd BCS bid every year. Bad for tradition, but better for perception.”
Essentially, they lose $$ and all rivalries except UCLA – they seem pissed
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Apparently Cal has played U$C 90 times (they say that’s more than Cal has played Stanfurd).
Actually, there have been 112 Big Games.
Yes, I am an Old Blue. Now get off my lawn.
Depends on whether they include the rugby games. And they didn’t play Stanfurd for many years in the 1910s, I believe.
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Even if you exclude the rugby games (1906-1914) we have still played Stanfurd 103 times in football.
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Wasn’t there a period when we did not play them at all, because they wanted to use freshman on the team?
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We didn’t play them from 1915-1918 for that reason, and also from 1943-1945 because Stanfurd gave up football for WWII. But there have still been a total of 112 Big Games (103 football, 9 rugby) played over the 117-year period from 1892 to 2009. (Including two games played in 1892.)
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"If CAL avoids USC, then instead of being 8-4 and barely ranked or unranked, they go to 9-3 and a top-15-20 team. Oregon goes from 9-3 to 10-2. This is the way to keep 5-6 teams in the polls, and get a 2nd BCS bid every year. Bad for tradition, but better for perception."
I was thinking along the same lines, but this guy said it way better. i was pissed as hell about the California schools being broken up, but at the same time one of the thing i liked about the pre-round-robin format was that you always had a chance to miss playing the toughest school that yeare, which gave you a better chance of getting another win and got you closer to the Rose Bowl than if you HAD to play that behemoth every year.
So I guess our division isn’t so bad. It certainly isn’t a cakewalk – the only truly shitty team in the bunch is Wazzu.
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my guess
is that he’s correct. I think that’s the most stable solution (i.e. it’s really stupid for the league to piss off the four CA schools, who along with Washington are the power players of the league).
I’m sure we’ll find out soon, though; I emailed Larry Scott on this issue and he said “i expect to be discussing the divisions tomorrow after the press conference, but not before.” So expect answers tomorrow; hopefully they’ll be the right ones.
Let's say you did a 'strength of the programs' power ranking
You’d probably get something like this:
1) USC
2) Oregon
3) Cal
4) OSU
5) Stanford
6) UCLA
7) Washington
8) Arizona
9) Arizona St.
10) Colorado
11) Washington St.
You could perhaps argue that Oregon is above USC if you think the sanctions will really hurt the Trojans. I think you could switch Cal and OSU, and #6-8 are pretty fluid (I put UCLA on to because of better recruiting, fwiw). And I have no idea where to put Utah, but they’d be right in the Cal-OSU area.
That would mean the Pac-10 ‘North’ would have the #2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 11 teams. Meanwhile the ‘south’ would have the #1, 6, 8, 9, 10 teams, plus Utah, which I guess would be a #3.5.
What I’m trying to say in all this, is that the North division (at least, right now) is tough. Really tough. Tougher than the south. Everybody celebrating because we don’t have to play USC and therefore that means conference championship game appearances all the time are being a little premature.
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Mormon chicks are hot.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
but they are way easier.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
and, if I may, present a public front of “I’m very religions” but deep down they want the d.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
they want to lure you in with sex then force you to convert, has happened to 3 of my friends
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by GoldBlooded on Jun 16, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
so that’s how they have such a high convert rate…
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 17, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
The one i'm fooling around with...
has a guaranteed ZERO chance of converting me.
10 years of catholic school growing up was enough organized religion for me…
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 17, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
This.
I almost got sucked in when I was 18.
Good times.
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I didn’t know you were on the market, hon.
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by Thoroughbred on Jun 16, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
My dad's a Ute fan
My dad’s a huge Ute fan and lives in Salt Lake City. I actually took him to the Poinsettia bowl, not realizing he was a Ute fan at the time (he did go to Cal for god sake). He ended up dressing up decked out in Utah gear in the Cal section and would yell loudly and tell everyone how great Utah is. Having Utah in the Pac will be great because I can finally get back at him for that… at least eventually. My sister also goes to Oregon, so we’ll all be rooting for different teams and it’ll be like family feud.
this reminds me of the douche who brought his dad to the SC game and he sat in the young alum section. cbk knows what im talking about, please remind me which famous person the sc fan was?
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by GoldBlooded on Jun 16, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually took him to the Poinsettia bowl, not realizing he was a Ute fan at the time (he did go to Cal for god sake)
He wasn’t even torn? So wrong. So unspeakably wrong.
Yes, I am an Old Blue. Now get off my lawn.
Losing the annual Ucla and $C games each year is exactly why I felt expanding to a Pac 12 would be two steps forward and one step back. Those are at least as traditional a rival for us as Furd, and aside from geography, possibly almost as intense.
The idea that we would skip playing them on certain years is just a travesty, and simply not worth the conference expansion. You young-uns may not realize it now, but sometimes tradition actually is more important than money and exposure.
Hopefully the rumors of locking in the SoCal schools each year and rotating the other scrubs are true. I honestly don’t give a wet slap about missing a game against the Zonas or the new kids. They never were rivals. But Ucla and $C are.
Careful, man. There's a beverage here!
by SoCal Oski on Jun 16, 2010 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I was about to write the same thing. This is exactly how I feel. I don’t care about either Arizona school or either of the new members, but college football season would just suck without playing USC and UCLA every year.
I'm royally PISSED OFF
would be two steps forward and one step back
I’d switch this around to one step forward and two steps back.
My love for Cal will never diminish, and I’ll never lose interest in Cal football, but Pac-10 football has become much less interesting to me. If there is an agreement to always include USC and UCLA on Cal’s schedule, then I’m OK with it. Frankly, given the state’s xenophobic politics, I don’t care if Cal ever sets foot in Arizona again, but to lose our traditional annual rivalries with the SoCal schools would be tragic.
This reminds me of the addition of the wild card to MLB. As the baseball season winds down, the wild-card format is often celebrated because it keeps the post-season dreams of maybe a half dozen teams alive deep into September. What we forget, though, is what we’ve lost. We used to have riveting pennant races at season’s end between truly good teams (e.g., the ’93 Giants and Braves) all of whom were winners of 90+ games. Now, those great teams clinch a playoff spot weeks in advance—only to face the lottery of a 5-game divisional series—and the “pennant” races we now get feature mediocre teams struggling to stay above .500 who have absolutely no business dreaming about a World Series.
I know this analogy is a reach, but all too often when big changes are made we come to celebrate those single steps forward while forgetting about the two steps backward we’ve taken at the same time. The saving grace of the Pac-16 idea was the space it allowed for a revived Pac-8; what we’re left with instead is an absolute travesty for our proud West Coast intercollegiate athletic tradition. And it which probably means the end of the conference’s unique basketball scheduling, too. :-(
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Jun 16, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m royally PISSED OFF
That`s like, a royrules subject line…
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RE: revenue projections
I took a stab as estimating what a potential Pac-12 network in a newly negotiated K could bring, based on numbers from the Big-10 network (albeit more conservative), both with the Pac-12, a Pac-11 without Utah, and the traditional Pac-10.
I don’t suspect we’ll approach the $17-$22m per annum that the SEC and Big-10 receive, although it is a remote possibility. Whether you add Utah/not is actually kind of a wash in the analysis (they drag down the revenue distribution but the institution of a championship game means each time makes marginally more in a Pac-12 scenario). Overall, you’re lookling at likely somewhere between $13-$15m per school per annum.
That’a assuming the following in a Pac-12:
22.2m households in the region (used based on populations and average household size in the 6 Pac-12 states).
$0.65 subscriber fee per household per month in the Pac-12 region. This is significantly lower than the $0.88 per household per month that the Big-10 receives from the Big-10 network.
An 80/20 subscription/advertising revenue split. That is, 80% of the revenue from a channel is based on the subscriber fee detailed above, and 20% is from advertising revenue. This again is a relatively conservative estimate.
Approx $10m in revenue (total, not per team) from hosting a championship game.
80% market share in the 6-state region (that is, the television station is available in 80% of the households in the market).
Using all those assumptions (and yes, they are assumptions – but again – these are all relatively conservative assumptions), you’re looking at about $13.7m per school per annum. That compares with a current payout in the existing contract of about $7.25m per year (see http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/07/24/tv-deals/index.html). That’s about a 100% increase in annual revenue.
Just FYI, running the calcuations with tjhe original Pac-10 (ie, what we would get based on market value today for what we had), you’d still be looking at about $12m per annum, so the Pac probably could have done nothing and still made significant bank at the time of the next TV K. I’ve got these numbers and I’ll try and post ‘em in a Google Doc, but I don’t see the Pac-12 getting near the Big-10 and SEC numbers, but they’ll still be making a good deal more $$ than at present and they would have without Colorado and Utah.
The Big10 has an ABC/ESPN contract on top of the Big10 network. I assume we would as well. That’s worth a lot of money.
Yes, well...
there’s startup costs with the Pac-10 Network potentially not included in this as well. It’s all kind of a quick and dirty revenue projection, but the bottom line is it’s a ton more $$ than we’re making now, and probably just a little less than what the SEC and Big 10 are making.
What is potentially really interesting (and possible) is how the network is packaged and the participating minority stakeholder (ie, cable network that provides the equipment, expertise, etc.) In most circles the thought is this would be FOX. In that instance, FOX would own a minority interest in the Big-10 Network, the Pac-10 Network, and (possibly), a Texas TV network. They could possibly bundle those in to one large subscriber fee. That would be interesting to see how that played out.
And re: the national K
I could easily see us signing a 10 yr/$750m agreement. There is a rather large problem with the national K, however: USC’s sanctions. Like them or not, they’re going to hurt the Pac’s neogitating position in signing a national agreement, because USC’s been the big national draw for the Pac-10 over the past 10 years.
For that reason, I probably imagine a shorter term deal, ie, 5 yrs, $300m may be more likely, in order to blunt the impact that those sanctions will have on the revenue pull of USC. It’s going to be a factor and bargaining chip any network uses in trying to reduce rights fees from the Pac-12.
Won’t the new contract start just as their sanctions are ending? I mean, I am hoping they’ll suck for a few years afterwards, but they should be bowl eligible again by then, which the rest of the country might find exciting.
I think the rest of them find SC being inelgible to be more exciting.
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It's all a conservative guess
My main thought on it being less was the Big-10 negotiation process to get to that $0.88 figure was long, painful, and they held out of a lot of markets for the first year (ie, the Time Warner negotiation was particularly long and painful, from what I remember).
I don’t suspect the Pac-12 would have the stomach to do that.
How come the Denver Post is the only one reporting this? Colorado sources probably have no clue about what’s going on. Why would Larry Scott have promised them anything about LA when they going to be part of the Texas division?
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 16, 2010 8:39 PM PDT reply actions
a solution for the NW teams being able to visit SoCal and NorCal
If the California schools really want to preserve playing each other yearly and the NW want the option to visit California yearly
they can always schedule a California school like San Jose State or Fresno state as an OOC game if on a year they are not scheduled to go to UCLA/USC or Stan/Cal
as Mike Riley said on an interview, "we will find a way to get there (California) in one or another.
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