Texas To Stay In BigXII? Or not? (UPDATE)
Chip Brown, who has generally be out in front of all of this, has an update this morning that is definitely interesting news:
In a bombshell development that could bring a halt to seismic changes in college realignment, sources tell Orangebloods.com Texas has been convinced by a plan presented by commissioner Dan Beebe to stay in a 10-member Big 12. UT officials are expected to announce their decision to remain in the Big 12 as early as Monday.
This is all rumor and conjecture, of course, but Chip Brown has been very solid to date. (Update: This ESPN story says otherwise, h/t to sushirob39). Will update when know more, but until then, enjoy our interview with former Golden Bear and current Florida Marlin, John Baker.
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Let me get this straight
If Texas et al. stay put, then the Big 12 will have ten teams, and the Big 10 will have twelve. Somehow, in the world of college football, this makes perfect sense.
Still, I’d like to think we’re a little better at counting out here on the West Coast. Assuming that Utah or someone else joins Colorado in coming our way, can we at least agree now that our conference will be appropriately renamed the 12-Pac?
Go Bears!
by California Pete on Jun 14, 2010 8:05 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Also, Boise State is now in the Mountain West Conference.
I was going to make something about Idaho being in another area, but it turns out that the state of Idaho occupies two time zones… WHAT THE HELL?!

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the state of Idaho occupies two time zones… WHAT THE HELL?!
So do Oregon, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Florida. If almost 25% of our states occupy more than one time zone, it might not be all that surprising :)
Oh, and Arizona doesn’t do Daylight Savings, so they’re only on Mountain Time for half the year.
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Not happening. We will see all of you soon.
Texas is blamed for everything that is wrong in the Big 12. This is a PR move by UT so we aren’t blamed for the break up of the conference. I don’t know why they even bother. We’ll get blamed no matter what.
This is a PR move by UT so we aren’t blamed for the break up of the conference.
That’s what I was thinking.
There is no way a conference with only 10 teams is viable in the era of meg-conferences, which is where this is all heading. And there aren’t any schools that the Big 12 could add that would bring increased market share/money to the table. Two of the largest fish are already in the conference.
Of course, we aren’t staying and the Land Thieves are following so what I just wrote is useless.
by dimecoverage on Jun 14, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
This will work great for the traditionalists
1. Texas A&M goes to the SEC to try to resolve its existential angst
2. Colorado goes back to the Big 12 (now called the Big 10)
3. Pac-10 stays as it is.
4. The new Big 10 and the Pac-10 agree to a TV marketing relationship and to 2 out-of-conference games a year for each of its schools (the hardwood challenge on grass).
5. Pac-10 and the new Big 10 have round-robin schedules and bowl tie-ins (Rose for Pac-10 and Cotton (moved up to BCS status enroute to play-off system) for new Big 10.
All that is missing is the conference championship game, but play-off system may take care of that revenue hole anyway.
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Let's do the breaking
Wy not make a unilateral offer to Kansas, like we did Colorado? Can the Big 12 limp on with 9 teams?
Go for it.
Kansas would jump at the offer. They need to join a strong conference because of their basketball program.
Don’t worry about the current state of IRS, NCAA, etc. problems they are currently experiencing. It only happens every three years or so.
by dimecoverage on Jun 14, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
KU won't join a 12-team Pac
Travel would be very onerous for them. No 8-team eastern division like you’d have in a Pac-16.
If the Texas divas really decide to stay put, then our 12th school is probably Utah. New Mexico ought to get a look, but it looks like Utah is the only non-Big 12 school that the Pac-10 has seriously considered.
MJB
New Mexico, New Schmexico
Nex Mexico would be a terrible invite. The state is just 2 million people, and not a football state by any means. UNM cannot hack it athletically or academically (emphasis on the latter). Although the state had some success in basketball and baseball this year, its football team went 1-11 (including losing to the 3-10 NM State Aggies). Attendance is virtually non-existent.
And I say this as a person who lives in Albuquerque and would love for the Bears to come to town (I fly back to Cal for 2-3 games a year).
i like it
i like that idea.
if we can convince Kansas that this is their chance to be part of the network knowing a big-9 would probably never happen…
Kansas joins. Beebe’s plan has huge holes. A&M has no choice now but to join the SEC (big-9 no good, no chance at pac-16)….
get off me bandwagoners!
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by cleancutmedia on Jun 14, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Ignore everything you read now and tune in on Wednesday.
by dimecoverage on Jun 14, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember Chip Brown hasn't 100% Accurate
His initial report was good, but as a poster on teamspeedkills.com said (unfortunately the poster throws a lot of subjective opinions in, but his bullet points are worth reading):
Brown had the initial break in all this. Because it came from DeLoss Dodds, who wanted to make Brown and UT’s biggest fan site the go-to for the national media on all this: to get UT’s spin out.
Things Brown has been wrong about since:
- Baylor to the Pac 10 over Colorado (Texas never even considered it; completely unthinkable and not even desirable by UT people; Baylor is a sub-MWC joke that made the B12 as the 12th team because there were no better B12 South options at the time)
- Baylor smeared by Cal with "religious intolerance" once Nebraska was bolting and thus UT likely going West; a complete lie made up by Dodds’ office to distance themselves from not wanting Baylor anyway
- Brown on SportsCenter last Thursday night said A&M et al. to Pac 16 was "a done deal"; obviously wrong but the spin UT execs wanted in order to rush A&M and make A&M look like the deal-breaker if Pac 16 didn’t happen
- Brown saying Rick Perry was fighting for A&M to Pac 16; all Aggie insiders and Perry public statements saying Perry is on the sidelines; Dodds et al. naturally wanted to press Perry into action and give the Pac 16 public perception the authority of gubernatorial support
Chip Brown is a UT hack who has sold his one-time journalist soul to sell OrangeBloods.com subscriptions.
Read any anonymously sourced thing Brown says now as straight from Dodds’ office.
A&M may have the votes to go the SEC but Dodds wants that publicly broadcast in attempt to rally any remaining pro-P16 A&M insiders and fans.
by chowder on Jun 14, 2010 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Spot on
Thanks for the quote Chowder, I saw that this morning on OB because he was the first to break the story and felt like he’s been very on top of developments, but I think the smoke-screen hypotheses are right on. It certainly looks like he is being tooled at this point by UT’s president’s office. Joe Schad has some serious insider connections, I would trust his sources more at this point especially given the conflict of interest.
But either way, MAD props to Texas for pulling off a great PR gig. They are really doing everything they can to save face in all of this including: Blaming Cal (which was sheer brilliance), blaming Baylor, Blaming Nebraska, blaming the Big Ten, blaming A&M (their hated rivals), blaming the SEC, blaming Mizzou (early on), blaming the Big-12. The only group they have not blamed yet: The Pac-10.
If that isn’t the most obvious use of red herrings I don’t know what is.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
that's not true
Some of his anonymously sourced stuff probably comes from Lubbock, Norman or Stillwater (who are perfectly happy to pass along whatever UT wants people to hear).
FWIW, Wilner’s reporting the conflicting ESPN/Chip reports:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/06/14/pac-10-expansion-breaking-news-texas-reportedly-to-commit-to-big-12/
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This is easy to figure out...
…just get Jon WIlner’s prediction, and believe the exact opposite.
Anyone remember “Stanford wins, and it won’t be close.” ? ? ?
Any one of us would be fired if we were as bad at our jobs as he is at his.
by Glanko on Jun 14, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Haha rec’d
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by CruzinBears on Jun 14, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I appreciate Wilner’s attempts at playing the middle, but his reporting is horribly biased and clearly anti-Cal. And I recognize that I have my biased rah rah Go Bears Homerism as well…but that guy is a douche.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually don’t think he’s anti-Cal, just…stupid.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 14, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Wrong. He is a private school lover. I don’t think he even has bay area connections, just another one of these east coast carpetbaggers.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 14, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
u r en fuego today
rec’d
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Joe Schad tweets:
If the Texas Network were to launch they’d keep all that $, not share
less than a minute ago via txt
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 14, 2010 9:33 AM PDT reply actions
He also adds:
If Texas A&Ms decision to go to SEC is finalized Texas could back away from Beebe plan “consideration”
less than a minute ago via txt
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 14, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
The Joe Schad story on espn.com
Has video of Schad talking to Rece Davis
He still calls the move of UT, OU, OSU, and TT to the Pac-10 as “imminent” and maybe announced even before the UT regents meeting tomorrow. Another interesting note in the interview — despite CU announcing a 2012 date to being play in the Pac-10, Schad says that if all those teams leave, they’ll start playing in Pac-10 in 2011.
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I’d be excited!
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Brown's Twitter
Texas stands to make between $20 mil and $25 mil per yr under a proposed new TV pkg presented by Dan Beebe, plus UT’s own network.
http://twitter.com/chipbrownob
I still don’t know how the Big-XII minus Nebraska and Colorado would earn 20-25 mill in TV deals, while also allowing each school to maintain their non-national media rights.. The conference would have two excellent football properties in Texas and OU, but Texas Tech has been the only other schools with consistent and solid success over the last decade. Additionally, I would think the bowl payouts without Colorado and Nebraska (moreso with Nebraska) would diminish.
Hold on...
Chip’s earlier report was that the B12 was saying that they could get Texas 14-17M plus the rights to their own network…
Where did the 20-25M come in?
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by Maisbikkja on Jun 14, 2010 10:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No
Brown said $20-25m plus their own network. I still see how you can get more money and diminish your position at the same time.
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by secret ASian man on Jun 14, 2010 10:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is how orangebloods describes it
According to sources familiar with the deal, Texas stands to earn between $20 million and $25 million in television revenue, including money from its own network. The UT network figures to generate between $3 million and $5 million, according to sources.
According to sources, the deal will mean more money for Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma, who all stand receive $20 million from the new deal. The other seven schools in the Big 12 would make between $14 million and $17 million, but would nearly double what they currently receive in TV revenue (roughly $7 million to $9 million).
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How does Bebee get these numbers
You can up the money and let the Texas schools make their own tv networks. That’s just ruining your own leverage.
I think Bebee is throwing whatever he can and hopes something sticks.
I think the Pac 16 is closer to reality than not.
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by secret ASian man on Jun 14, 2010 10:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Chip Brown tweets:
All 10 schools remaining in the Big 12 are are at the table working on a deal that would save the league, sources tell Orangebloods.com.
1 minute ago via TweetDeck
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 14, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions
Followed by...
An announcement that a remodeled Big 12 will survive with a new television deal could be announced as early as Monday, sources say.
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If we don’t get Texas, can we just send Colorado back and keep our conference at 10 members? Otherwise we have to go to 12 schools, a conference championship game and lose the round robin schedule. No thanks.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 14, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions
Not going to happen. The Chipper tweets:
If Big 12 ties things up and saves the league, look for Pac-10 commish Larry Scott to start courting Utah as the 12th addition to P10.
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Good idea Glanko, don’t know how Mormon U of Utah is but if we can’t ’em drunk, maybe we can send them into a Glucose coma with some Oreo Milk Shakes.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
They’re public. I’m sure many Mormons go there, but it’s not officially affiliated like BYU is.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
YAWN.
Can someone please let me know when everyone makes up their minds? I’ll be by the pool.
/starts another productive week
I’m kinda at this point too. TV networks? Revenue sharing? Religious wars? Texas legislature!?!?
Can’t we just play some fucking football?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 14, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously I don’t think I got any real work done last week with all the damn reports and tweets….STILL ADDICTED this week! GAH! I need to start watching more Soccer.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I have less than an idea what this means:
A&M is at the table and Gene Stallings told AP he’d be “tickled” if B12 saved. …RT @EKohli: @ChipBrownOB / So Tex AM is on board also??
From Chip Brown, saying that A+M is listening to the plan. Some people think that this is all a way to make A+M look like the bad guy. Texas saying “We tried, but A+M bolted!” I don’t know if that is true.
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Could it mean that someone at the table will actually tickle Gene Stallings?
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I mailed a feather duster over there last week, so hopefully.
He also has a tweet up right now saying that he will tell somebody later how the math works out.
I look forward to the day when I can never care about the Texas Rivals site ever again.
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by TwistNHook on Jun 14, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the worst that happens in all of this is that we have a Pac-12 with CU and Utah in it, I don’t think that’s such a bad thing. Really.
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Except how will the divisions work? North and South? ACC style? Seems silly because the division not containing USC will be inherently weaker some teams will have an easier path to the conference championship game.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 14, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
“The zipper” plan
In other words, something like:
* Arizona State, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Washington and Utah in one division.
* Arizona, USC, Stanford, Oregon State, WSU and Colorado in the other.
The nine-game conference football schedule would involve playing every team in your division, plus your natural rival, plus three teams in the other division.
And I’d imagine there’s a way to rig the football schedule so that each NW school was guaranteed a certain number of home games with/roadtrips to USC and UCLA within a three- or four-year scheduling cycle.
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That looks horribly undistributed in terms of ticket revenue & TV interest. Washington/Oregon/Cal games bring in far more revenue than on the other side from their rival counterparts. USC can’t make up for all of that difference.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 14, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s why I don’t see a 12 team conference working out. It will devolve in short order.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I still want to know where all this money is coming from
beebe must have found a pot of gold somewhere
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big 12 bought some oil field in west texas that started gushing this weekend?
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 14, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Welcome to CGB, Norcalfan10. Hope to see you commenting here much more in the future!
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thanks partner
longtime follower, just decided to join in on the conversations
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by Norcalfan10 on Jun 14, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF is this supposed to mean?
Now Chipper says that CU and NU leaving the conference was the impetus to keeping it together? Huh?
Once Neb and CU made their moves, a TV network saw realignment about to blow and stepped forward with the plan stop chaos and save B12.
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This is vague. So, a channel which presumably did not want to air BigXII with Neb and CU, but also does not want realginment (for some reason) is now stepping forward to put up BIG bucks?
Why don’t they want realignment?
Why do they like the BigXII without CU and NU more than before???
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What about on its pancreas?
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 14, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. I’m sure stuff is crazy in Big-12 country right now. But we have to look at the facts.
Pac-10 + Big-12 = More People watching (by virtue of expanded regional coverage—i.e. I might actually watch a game between OSU and TTU if it affects my league)
Pac-10 + Big-12 = Expanded recruiting grounds
Pac-10 + Big-12 = More historical wins
Pac-10 + Big-12 = More competition
Pac-10 + Big-12 = Possibly 2 BCS spots
Pac-10 + Big-12 = More leverage in TV contract negotiations
Pac-10 + Big-12 = More time zones
This all leads to
Pac-10 + Big-12 = Way more money for everyone
As much as I want to believe tradition and affiliation wins out every time, I am not that naive. We are talking about BILLIONS of dollars here. I don’t believe Texas is stupid enough to believe that they could get a better deal with:
1) Less teams
2) Smaller market
3) Less competition
4) Less tradition
5) Fewer time zones/population
If you want the 50 Million people on the West Coast to watch your TV network you play games out there. It makes ZERO sense that Beebe can come up with a higher number. Big-12 is clearly trying to create their own counter-smokescreen.
Good for UT that it is headed by a CAL alum. You know he will make the best decision for them.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
According to other Big-XII schools Texas has wanted its own sports network for a long time. This is revenue they split one way. The reports indicate the other Big-XII schools finally agreed to let them make this move.
Yeah but estimates on that network are only 3-5$M per year. Even with their own network I don’t see how the BIX can make up the difference in money. Especially without NE and CO.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently, it is ESPN? That’s why I am seeing here.
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You’d think perhaps Joe Shad would have some connections to be able to report this?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Too many PR smokescreens. One side is blowing real smoke, the other side is blowing smoke out their fat ass.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 14, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is something going on behind the scenes here that we are not aware of. I think its a giant game of chicken to force the Pac10 to concede something, but I don’t know what.
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You can pillage our California womens, dear Texas overlords.
Ok, that’s what we’ve been waiting to hear! Sign the papers!
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 14, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Easy
Concede the ability for teams to have their own networks.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 14, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If the best of the Big-XII and the Pac-10 combined to make their own network, perhaps ABC & ESPN loose their claim as college football’s home? They overpay to maintain the monopoly on college football, rather than see competition arise in the form of the Big-10 Network and a new Pac-16 network. Private conference networks would have footholds in 60-70% of the households (okay, I made that number up, but if the Pac-16 network housed 40%, I’d assume the Big-10 houses an extra 20-30%).
Now THIS makes some sense. ESPN doesn’t want to compete with mega conference networks.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
So you’re saying this is driven by another network bringing a new deal to the table? Fascinating.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Except that ESPN could be that network if it wanted to. No reason why Fox gets the monopoly, I’m sure the conference is willing to go to the highest bidder. Gotta be something else going on.
Yeah, but the bidding might be a lot higher for a Pac-16 than for a Big XII (10).
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
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by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Now, ESPN says that Beebee’s plan is gaining traction:
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@chipbrownob is correct. Beebe’s proposal, one source said, is “gaining traction.” 42 minutes ago via tx
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They’re basing it on Chip.
The Texas Longhorns, based on a TV deal in the works that could pay them upwards of $25 million per year, are leaning toward staying in a 10-team Big 12 for the foreseeable future, Orangebloods.com has reported, citing sources familiar with negotiations.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 14, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, The SEC has a contract worth $220 per year right? Distributed among 12 schools. EVERYONE knows the SEC is not only the most dominant conference in CFB but also the most watched by the most fans (nationally and regionally).
SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME how Beebe expects to get a contract that is worth MORE (@$250/year) with fewer teams, with less relevance (sans CO and NE!), less competition, no championship game, fewer games, and fewer footprint and TVs!!!
Please. someone explain Beebe’s plan, because this is just sounding totally ridiculous. And if this plan is really so great, let’s hijack that plan and insist on a similar contract!!!
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Simple
A mega-conference would put TV rights out of the price range for ESPN. ESPN will overpay the Big 12 to stop the Pac-16.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 14, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
So the ESPN stories are counter-smoke screens to keep the Pac10 quiet over the weekend??!?!
WOW, this is a FASCINATING game of cloak and dagger shit.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN has the money. They are owned by Disney, so a lack of money cannot be the issue.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 14, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No way. ESPN has all of God’s own money. They have bid on both the Olympics and on the NCAA Tourney in the last year and lost, so they have tons to spend.
Not the point.
They can overpay for the Big 12 to survive, or they can bid a metric crapton to try to buy the rights to a Pac-16 network that Fox probably has the inside track on. They’ll take the loss instead of having to deal with superconferences skyrocketing TV rights.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 14, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think the money is there
and this thing will collpase mightily once the teams realize that. I think Beebe figures if he can ride out the current disaster and stave off collapse for a couple more years (after the conferences have expanded with other teams) that the Big 12 will be safe.
Please God, keep the Big 12 together.
We don’t need those teams changing the nature of our conference forever. We’re West Coast. We should go after one more West Coast team — best would be Colorado State. that way we’d have Arizona and Arizona State, Oregon and Oregon State, Washington and Washington State, and Colorado and Colorado State, plus the biggest California programs.
It would just make sense.
How would bringing a money-hungry school like Texas into the conference help? Any extra revenue from a TV contract or network would just have to be split among more schools. What’s the payoff? Factor in massively increased travel expenses, and I bet expansion turns out to be an albatross around each Pac-10 school’s neck.
Utah > CSU
Expanding to the SLC market would work out well.
Besides, Utah’s a solid natural rival for Colorado, seeing as they are the 2 big mountain programs. I would love to see this happen.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well unfortunately we’re not just west coast anymore with Colorado.
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by CaliforniaEternal on Jun 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Or with arizona for that matter...
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Except for the fact that Colorado State University is completely inconsequential. Are you basing it purely on the the fact that it’s called “Colorado State”, so its name happens to fit in nicely? Why does that matter? Colorado/Utah is a much more sensible pairing.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
CSU would be a nightmare. Last thing any of us need to is tack on a team that contributes nothing, brings down the average across the board, and gets sent a large check every year that everyone else actually has to earn.
In-state rivalries should matter.
They make the conference competition that much more exciting. Look at in-state rivalry games we have now. They add to the Pac-10 family. We have something special now that we’re pissing away.
by Monica's Dad on Jun 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Being in 2 different conferences before didnt matter... why should it now?
CSU and CU play every year anyway… and CU usually smashes them – least historically.
It wouldn’t change a thing.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah just because CU smashes them doesn’t we should have to also!
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
who cares
Since Colo St. joining the Pac-10 is nowhere near a reality, why don’t we focus on energy on (1) talking about delicious Oreo shakes and (2) spitting on the ground every time Beebe’s name get’s mentioned?
2) Pttooeeey!!!
1) :::slurp slurp:: Mmmmmm, oreos.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
don't disrespect beebe
I just got off the phone with him and he told me that he could get me $100M a year just for sitting at home and drinking beer. Now I’m going to quit my job and go with his plan; how could I possibly lose?
A&M guy's tweet
http://twitter.com/billyliucci/status/16172068407
ESPN stepping to the table and offering the Big 12 a deal would really change the dynamic of this thing, IMO, and would end it for good
It looks like Beebe might not have been BS-ing. However, if ESPN is actually offering SEC money to kill expansion, something tells me that the SEC may want to make a call to a couple teams (VT, FSU?), get bigger and forcibly reopen their contract. If ESPN is willing to pay huge $ to the Big XII sans NU and CU, then the SEC might be able to extract a LOT more from ESPN by forcing the issue.
The fact of the matter is...
Utah = Bigger market, Bigger stadium, and bigger fanbase.
CSU wouldnt do anything for us, or anyone, not even CU for that matter, and its simply not a reality.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Reality?
Developments over the past few weeks have me seriously questioning reality. Anything seems possible.
I’ll take any single school west of the Texas state line over UT, A&M, TT, OSU, and OU, though.
by Monica's Dad on Jun 14, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes... but would Larry Scott..
That’s the question.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If they divide a Pac-16 conference into West Coast division (CAL, LSJU, USC, UCLA, UO, OSU, UW, WSU) and Southwest division (UA, ASU, CU, UU, UT, TT, OU, OSU), what’s the big problem? It’s not like we’ll be playing Texas every year.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
That was one of the reasons the Pac-16 intrigued me. It was a bold superconference move for the future, yet at the same time it was a throwback to Pac-8 days because of the way the divisions were going to be.
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by Ohio Bear on Jun 14, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
The existing 9-game conference schedule, in which we do play...
every other team every single year, is awesome. It’s one of the few things still good in college football.
Being in one of those mega-conferences where you only play some teams every few years would suck. We’d be no better than the SEC.
by Monica's Dad on Jun 14, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
We’d still be able to play a round-robin within the division, though, with some games against the schools in the other division (which would be pretty interesting, you have to admit) regularly, if not annually. I’d love to be able to play the likes of Texas or Oklahoma every couple of years. It would be great for Cal Football as well.
My only stipulation would be that only games within the division count in the division standings.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. But it is also unfortunately making the Pac-10 irrelevant and hurting the bottom line of the athletic departments. As a consequence ALL the Pac-10’s sports on the proverbially chopping block. This move isn’t just about football it’s about maintaining a culture of a diverse array of athletics for athletes across the Western US.
Without making Pac-10 football relevant by these bold moves it threatens to change forever how we think about college sports.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem today isn't lack of money, it's too much money.
The professionalization of college athletics is not a good thing.
Adding the likes of OU, OSU and TTU would water down our academic standing pretty dramatically.
And having cutthroat football machines like OU and UT in the league is like turning over the conference to the U$Cs of the world.
How do you stand out in a 16-team league of behemoths? How many legit bowl games will Cal play in? I see us becoming the Kansas Jayhawks of the new league — also-rans with no chance of winning conference titles in the years ahead.
by Monica's Dad on Jun 14, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But we’d have a good chance (same chance as always) of being division champions, which would basically be the same thing. A Pac-16 division champ would always be guaranteed a good bowl, maybe even a BCS bowl depending on how things turn out.
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Colorado and Colorado State are in different conferences now and they manage to keep up their rivalry. Colorado’s main Big 12 rival was Nebraska, and they’re in a different state. Texas’ main rival is Oklahoma, also in another state. I’m sure if we had Colorado and Utah, they would be able to create a new rivalry pretty easily. Utah is a much better school in a much better (and non-redundant) market than CSU. I completely fail to understand how we are “pissing away” or losing anything. We would be gaining, not losing.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, what’s wrong with changing the nature of the conference? A Pac-16 would basically make a division that’s the same as the Pac-8 was. What’s not to like about that? Travel expenses would be more than offset by the additional revenues generated. There’s no way it’s an “albatross”.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Non-revenue travel is as big of a cost as people think
I was going to put together a post on the Pac-16 and non-revenue travel, but wanted to wait until everything was finalized before potentially wasting my time. In the initial research I did I don’t think travel will be a dominant factor. Primarily, because these non-revenue sports already travel all over the place.
The best example I have is Cal’s men’s tennis team from 2008-09. They played in 29 matches. Away destinations include: St. Helena, Fresno, Tulsa (OK), San Francisco, New Haven (Conn.) Morago, Tulsa (OK… again), Austin (TX), Charlottesville (NC), Stanfurd, La Jolla, College Station, and Houston.
In fact, Cal’s men’s tennis team only played 6 conference matches out of a total of 29. With 23 out of conference matches, combined with pre-existing to travel to the Big-XII footprint 5 times, AND two trips to the east coast, I doubt the Pac-16 would forcibly increase travel costs. The dominant travel costs are already voluntary, and the southwest locations could easily replace their OOC matches within the Big-XII footprint.
Of course, it all looks as if it won’t matter now.
I think the fb team incurs way more costs than tennis, though. Pads, trainers, coordinators, equipment all need to be shipped too.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 14, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
My buddy Carl texted me with:
A 16-Pac could bring in as much as $42 gazillion.
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by carp on Jun 14, 2010 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
My buddy Joe Schmoe said that Big 12 is giving away free blow jobs with their bid for UT. Whatcha got Pac-10??
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
rimjobs?
*shudder…
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Best defense is a good offense. Beebe shoud target TCU and Arkansas...
Maybe even Houston or Rice. Maybe the loss of Colorado and Nebraska is enough to wake the rest of the Big 12, inlcuding Texas, up to the need for significant restructuring.
If I were in Beebe’s shoes, I’d go on offense right now.
TCU would definitely be a good choice.. Arkansas probably would want to stay in the SEC
Just my take on it.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Football-wise, sure. But revenue-wise?
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would Arkansas want to leave the SEC where they make a crapload of skrill already?
TCU would bring money, I’d imagine. They’ve had a decently developed fanbase, ever since LT went there… and I think they’re to the ‘new big 10’ what Utah is for us.
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Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
But geographically, they’re not adding any new TV sets that aren’t already covered by UT, A&M, TT, and Baylor.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Where else would you expand?
Tulane in New Orleans? Houston? which is already covered by the big 4 texas schools? UT El Paso? which is virtually in Mexico?
Assume the SEC schools are off limits, seeing as they have much fundage… not much room to expand.
Least TCU covers the southern texas zone quite well.
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Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry.
I meant the metroplex… not southern texas zone..
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Metroplex? The Transformer?
He’s a Zona fan for some reason.
Metroplex...
Dallas-ft.worth-arlington metro area.
Otherwise known as the ALMIGHTY METROPLEX!
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I think the Big 12 is a sinking ship, so you’d be hard pressed to get any candidates for expansion in the first place, but… um, I guess I’d try to pick off BYU first and foremost.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If UT is in it...
Then it is not a sinking ship.
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Given that A+M seems desparate to gtfo, who knows? This is going to be an INCREDIBLY unbalanced league and one where 6 of the teams know that 4 of them were happy to leave them behind without a second thought. Ya……
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I'm with Gene Stallings on this one...
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Number Crunching
OKay, so if this plan of Beebe’s was to work I figured out their range. Since the revenue sharing is unequal and ESPN is reporting that UT, OU, and TA&M are basically being guaranteed $20M per year that implies that the other teams are taking a backseat and taking a hit relative to them. That number is reported to be 14-17M still way more than they make now. So that means that the minimum payout by ESPN is $158M and as much as $184M per year.
Crunched those numbers in comparison to the total number of OOC and regular season games in the Pac-10 last year (a comparable schedule to what the new Big-12 play) (71 games) and then crunched the numbers for the SEC last season (97 games) to see what the pay out was PER game:
SEC last year:
$2.27M per game last year
Saved Big 12 would have to make between $2.23M and $2.59M PER GAME. So that is in the SEC range AND ABOVE.
If Beebe has been able to negotiate THAT rate for the Big-12 for a new contract than he is a master negotiator to beat out the SEC’s record contract.
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 12:44 PM PDT reply actions
No, he's not
ESPN, or whomever, is paying to stop superconferences which would drive bidding through the roof. Beebe has nothing to do with this.
by Brian Floyd on Jun 14, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Dollars and Sense
I think you might be right Coug
I analyzed the number of games a 16 team conference would be playing. Which as near as I can tell is 120 games (two 8 team round robins, 2 cross divisionals per team, 3 OOC). Assuming that we take the $20M number per team that would be $2.67M PER GAME that a network would pay out. Now that doesn’t include a potential Championship game, which could be a winfall for a network (upwards of 10-20$M per year). So given that this number is significantly higher than the high end estimate Beebe is touting that makes sense.
Now it’s Larry Scott’s turn to throw a curve ball. Offer UT an extra $500k-$1M per team from the Pac-16 to boost their take to $25-30M. That’ll win em over. I’ll take $19M over $20M any day if it means I don’t miss out and end up with only 10$M
by PlayClassyBears on Jun 14, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You Realign the Conferences... Very cool...
One of those interactive, “how would you do it” things…
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/graphics/0610/realignment/
A Pac-10 Network or a Pac-16 Network?
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, for a Pac-16 Network I would definitely be willing to pay whatever marginal amount people typically pay to add a channel in a cable package, if I had a television and subscribed to cable.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Upside if expansion falls apart. Pac10 will no longer be perceived as the weakest conference. Thank you, Big"XII"!
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Pac10 will no longer be perceived as the weakest conference
It won’t? Have we done something to alter the minds of people east of the Rocky Mountains?
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Big"12" will be brutally bad, outside of Texas-Oklahoma. Missouri-Iowa State, on ESPN next!
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Hey, Nebraska-Colorado gave us that epically stupid fake field goal decision a couple of years ago!
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hahaha
awesome reminder.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Firstly, yes. Nebraska has a long-standing and much respected tradition. Secondly, weren’t those 2 teams in like 95% of the BigXII Championship Games as the North was so weak?
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From the almighty Wikipedia (I couldn’t remember them all myself — OLD), here are the Big XII championship game results. Nebraska or Colorado has been the North representative in 9 of the 14 games.
1996 Nebraska (lost to Texas 37-27)
1997 Nebraska (beat Texas A&M 54-15)
1998 Kansas State (lost to Texas A&M 36-33 OT)
1999 Nebraska (beat Texas 22-6)
2000 Kansas State (lost to Oklahoma 27-24)
2001 Colorado (beat Texas 39-37)
2002 Colorado (lost to Oklahoma 29-7)
2003 Kansas State (beat Oklahoma 35-7)
2004 Colorado (lost to Oklahoma 42-3)
2005 Colorado (lost to Texas 70-3)
2006 Nebraska (lost to Oklahoma 21-7)
2007 Missouri (lost to Oklahoma 38-7)
2008 Missouri (lost to Oklahoma 62-21)
2009 Nebraska (lost to Texas 13-12)
(Big XII North teams are 4-10 in the Big XII championship game.)
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Many people decried the BigXII for being so imbalanced before and that this created resentment. Now, there is even MORE imbalance. The ESPN offer might stave off the inevitable for a while, but I don’t htink it’ll last too long.
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Maybe. But Texas is getting what they want—their own network. If they’re placated, they’ll do whatever the people in charge of television distribution want.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 14, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, more imbalance. It’s all about Texas. This is all short term financial gain for long term suffering.
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Welcome to college football for the last decade. People only think in terms of short-term gains (what do we get from this now) and ignore the big picture (we could have a playoff soon).
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 14, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome tocollege football for the last decadeAmerica. People only think in terms of short-term gains
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome tocollege football for the last decadeEarth. People only think in terms of short-term gains
Slightly moreso here than other parts of Earth.
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
short term financial gain for long term suffering.
I mean…that’s pretty much everything in our country since the interstate highway act.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 14, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That 70-3 colorado - texas game....
Friend went. He left before the first half was over.
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 14, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
New post on expansion
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by Avinash Kunnath on Jun 14, 2010 2:29 PM PDT reply actions
Interesting...the BYU/Air Force tweet has been deleted
Sportswriters noticing all references to it deleted as well. WTF is going on?
Conspiracy!
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by atomsareenough on Jun 14, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The account was hacked, apparently.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 14, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions

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