Does Jerome Randle Have An NBA Future? A CGB Scouting Report
Jerome Randle laced up for the last time in the gold and blue a month or so ago. And I'm guessing many of us thought that he'd move onto dominate some league, whether it be in Europe, Asia, whereever. But we all had our doubts whether he was (or would ever be) NBA-ready.
Then a few days back, Randle was MVP of the Reese's Senior Game. He was matched up against Scottie Reynolds (no slouch), which should have raised a few eyebrows.
And then at the Portsmouth Invitational (the senior camp for potential pros), he dominated Ish Smith, supposedly the fastest college basketball player and an NBA fringe prospect in their tournament matchup (Randle put up 18 points/10 assists/4 steals, Smith 6 points/10 rebounds/8 assists/10 TURNOVERS, most of them caused by Jerome). Then he battled Mikhail Torrance in a duel of the best points at Portsmouth (14 points, 10 assists, 2 steals, 2 turnovers), coming up victorious. He finally succumbed in the title game to the food poisoning he'd suffered a few days earlier, despite teammates urging him not to play--he just didn't want to let them down. He earned Invitational MVP honors for his efforts (for more on his performance, check out LeonPowe's fanshot and click through).
These games forced NBADraft.net and DraftExpress to reevaluate Randle's pro potential, with comments like
Sound off in the comments and vote in the poll: Where do you feel Randle's future lies?
For most of this season, I've kept on harping that despite Randle's excellent accomplishments in his great career as a Golden Bear, he wasn't quite NBA caliber. That despite his drive, his accomplishments, his abilities, his evolution, that he still would come up a little bit short, no pun intended. Why? The same reason we think most unconventional players don't make it--they don't fit into the traditional molds of player evaluation.
He's too small to translate to the pro game. He doesn't do the right thing enough on the court. He makes too many curious decisions with the ball. He turns over the ball too much, he can't finish at the rim.
I caught myself going through this line of thought again and had a sudden realization. Wait a minute, where'd I hear all this before?
Oh yeah. Desean.
The parallels between Jackson and Randle aren't all there. Desean was a highly coveted talent a full year before he stepped into Memorial Stadium; Randle best offer came from DePaul before Cal came calling. Desean's impact was instant; Randle's presence only emerged over years of work and sacrifice. Desean's talents seemed natural and instinctive, whereas Randle's abilities seemed to fluctuate depending on opponent and interest.
But at the end, two aspects pigeonhole them in the same box. Both had outstanding careers as Golden Bears that were full of wonderful trademarks (Desean's typhoon-like returns, Jerome's orbital threes). And neither was ever expected to be as fantastic in the pros because of their physical limitations.
Desean proved that the unorthodox works just fine in the pros. Could we see the same with Jerome?
I know I should be castigated for referencing Bill Simmons in support of Randle's case, but he wrote a fairly decent column on evaluating NBA talent on the March Madness level. While I don't agree with everything he put on there, there are a few things I looked at that cast a favorable light on Jerome.
Randle can get to any spot on the floor. Just like in football, where a college quarterback has to be able to throw a certain set of passes to be considered NFL-worthy, if a basketball player can't get anywhere on the floor, then he is eroding his NBA credentials. Patrick Christopher's draft stock really plummeted because of his inability to finish at the rim this season; it's not to say he won't be in the pros one day, but a shooting guard has to be able to get inside consistently to be considered seriously by draft scouts. PC's jump shot just isn't strong enough for him to be relied on offensively.
Randle, by contrast, can get to any point he wants to. He might not be big enough to get his layups in as easy as other point guards (he often had to stretch his body out to its maximal length to finish, or switch to the other side to avoid the help defender), and he still needs to work on his midrange shot (his floater was improving) but he makes up for this with crafty moves and dribble control to put defenders off balance. He has that behind the back move that forces defenders to reach one way before he starts taking off in the opposite direction. His handle, once painfully erratic, is now one of the most controlled in the game. He's pretty good at driving either way. Very tough to find huge deficiencies in his offensive game other than his size.
Take a look at him in the San Francisco Pro-Am League and you can see how almost every defender struggles at staying with him.
Other than his ridiculous crossovers and behind the back movements, watch how steadily he controls the ball. There's a certain steadiness to the way he manages to move without losing his dribble, keeping things moving without losing command of the court. In this more free-flowing style of play that NBA basketball celebrates, Randle could definitely prosper.
He never played with a true big to complement his all-around game. Now, Randle did play with Ryan Anderson his first two years, but Anderson didn't exactly fit with Jerome (and there have been countless reports about how Jerome was ready to leave if Anderson returned), and Ben Braun's lack of coaching really didn't help for developing anyone's individual game. And of course the Bulldog was a completely different player his first two years under Braun--there was no control or rhythm to his game.
But his final two years? The closest thing he got to a post player was Jordan Wilkes, and he was not exactly premium for getting the ball. Markhuri Sanders-Frison is great at the high post, but very erratic down in the box. Max Zhang had barely any back-to-the-basket moves; almost every score he got courtesy of Jerome came off of dribble penetration. In the end the most consistent big man scorer he had was Jamal Boykin, and Boykin didn't exactly have an array of post moves.
Contrast that with John Wall, who could dump it into Demarcus Cousins, or Sherron Collins, who had Cole Aldrich, or even Jon Scheyer, who had that ball of hate we call Zoobekistan. Easy assists, easy points, easy highlights. Randle was always hampered by the lack of finishers; guys he could dump the ball into for a reliable two.
So a lot of Randle's assists resulted from (a) three pointers (a high variance way to log dimes), (b) dribble penetration, and (c) alley-oops. Checking how high Randle's assist totals are in these all-star games, imagine what the Devon Hardins and Leon Powes of the world would've done for him in the halfcourt set Monty enjoyed running. He never got that as a developed point guard. It's not that surprising his assist to turnover ratio would be fairly nondescript--when you're relying on Theo/PC/Boykin jumpers for the bulk of your assists, it's going to be feast or famine with your assist numbers.
In the long run, what was far more critical to me was how crisply Randle moved the ball. He took a back seat to his fellow seniors when the moment required it, especially on the second game of the week. If Theo or Patrick had an open look he made sure he got it to them. If there was nothing open available, he'd do his best to ball-fake his defender or ball reverse. It was the small things that separated him from his point guard peers in the Pac-10, those little decisions that got teammates involved.
Additionally, without a big man, teams were also more willing to zone up, putting big defenders closer to the rim to disrupt Randle's closing shot--Zoubek literally sprung roots in the lane waiting to guard Randle's shots in the Round of 32. Keep in mind EVERY defense we played against this season keyed in on Jerome, and he still got his own. There's a reason Pac-10 coaches made him player of the year over Pondexter.
(I know this has no correlation to anything, but note that the last seven Pac-10 players of the year went onto feature prominently on NBA squads this past decade. The conference was down this year, but do you really think Randle is massively inferior to all the players listed here?)
He's been steadily efficient at getting his points: From that same Simmons article, you see Randle's stats are surprisingly similar to another underrated Pac-10 point guard, Darren Collison (who has thrived on the Hornets with Chris Paul's frequent injuries).
Collison
Sophomore year: 48% FG, 81% FT, 45% 3FG
Junior year: 48% FG, 87% FT, 53% 3FG
Senior year: 51% FG, 90% FT, 39% 3FG
Randle (courtesy of Statsheet)
Sophomore year: 42.8% FG, 87% FT, 39.7% 3FG
Junior year: 50.1% FG, 86.3% FT, 46.3% 3FG
Senior year: 45.7% FG, 93.3% FT, 40.4% 3FG
Although their games are as different as Spock and McCoy, the production is about the same on both ends. Both of their senior year stats dipped, but in both cases you can attribute that to a huge downgrade in personnel. Collison went from Love, Westbrook and Mbah a Moute to Jrue Holiday and Ivan Drago; Randle was definitely overworked this past season with Kamp out, Robertson and Gutierrez getting injured, and Smith proving to be inefficient as his backup. Defenses keyed to stop these two every night. It was inevitable that their numbers dropped their final seasons.
Thus his senior dip is fairly explainable. Venoy Overton did shut Randle down in Seattle and held him in check in the tournament final, and Seth Tarver bothered him in all four of their meetings. Although they probably do indicate how pressure defense can disrupt Jerome, it's not like he's going to be asked to handle starting duties and minutes (and how many pro teams actually pressure the ball on a regular basis? Maybe a little more during playoff time). As a contributor off the bench with 15-20 minutes, you get the best of his abilities night-in, night-out.
(Remember Randle played the third most minutes in the Pac-10 this year, behind only Michael Roll and Fields. And this is coming off a similar season in 2009 where he handled most of the point guard minutes and wore out near the end of the season. That he held up until the Round of 32 is a mini-miracle of its own.)
It's worth noting Randle has had some of his best games against halfcourt man-to-man defenses, where he can set up and run the offense. And most pro defenses will be willing to give him that leverage to operate.
The NBA is becoming more and more a point guard's league: Bethlehem Shoals of Free Darko fame writes that the present belongs to the teams anchored by great point guard play (as opposed to the shooting guard/forward glut that polluted the late 90s/early 00s).
Now, let's glance at the present: We have an embarrassment of point guard riches. The paradox: They are no longer a rare commodity at the exact moment at which they have become most prized.
To stress this again, even if it bores the 'brows right off of you: The Class of 2009 boasts totally excellent PGs Brandon Jennings, Darren Collison, Ty Lawson, and putatively, Ricky Rubio. Tyreke Evans, Stephen Curry, Rodrigue Beaubois, Jonny Flynn, cannot be hailed as "pure", but their scorers' fervor by no means hampers their playmaking ability. This is the combo guard brought back from the brink. And we've yet to really see with Jrue Holiday or Eric Maynor can do, but signs are encouraging.
And already, across the league, there was Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Devin Harris, and Andre Miller.
If you're out of breath just from reading that, or skipped much, I think I've done my job. Oh, and standing atop this year's mock drafts despite his shameful loss in some amateur shin-dig over the weekend, John Wall is the grand prize in this upcoming lottery. Don't believe the backlash: Wall is a transformative force and then some, as you saw any time that Kentucky bothered to push the tempo and let their freshman guard work with the slightest bit of space. So fine, he was smothered and died, and given the quality of his teammates, that means he's vulnerable in the pros. Maybe sound logic if everyone/anyone else had pulled their weight. Downgrade John Wall at your own peril.
Guards that can make plays with their scoring without it being detrimental to winning basketball. You don't have to be John Stockton or Gary Payton anymore to make your presence felt at point. Unlike baseball (which has barely changed), or football (which has evolved only gradually although the basic fundamentals of the game remain the same) basketball frameworks change and redevelop on a regular basis, and the current skillset needed at the point favors Randle's style of play. While Randle is nowhere near the phenom status of a Wall, can't you see him emerging into the smaller bench version of Aaron Brooks, your second and fourth quarter general making sure the ball goes where it belongs?
And of course he will be a defensive liability on the court, but it's not like there's hundreds of point guards who play great D either--point guards are like quarterbacks; they direct the offense but their defensive impact is minimal. Look at the Lakers, who are about two years running on inferior point guards, and think what a better offensive version of Jordan Farmar or Shannon Brown with similar defensive liabilities could do for their squad. How many of our Cal Laker fans would trade away those two for Randle running backup point 15-20 minutes a night in this year's playoffs?
And let's not forget Randle's alpha dog status on the hardwood.
Competitive pulse: This is critical in the pros. And although Christopher and Robertson probably have the NBA chops and skills that fit inside the framework of "ball player", only Randle seems to have that psychological edge to outwork and beat his foes.
"I don't know why people make such a big deal out of height," Randle said. "I'm playing against guys who are 6-5 and up and I'm still able to do things that I want to do. That's life. I'm all about proving people wrong, and that's Jerome Randle. Jerome Randle is about proving people wrong. I love it. It really motivates me to prove everyone wrong that doubts me, that don't think I can play at this level or the next level."
That's alpha dog talk right there. You play against guys like that in the playground, you pray to God your ankles don't require surgery the following morning. Randle has evolved his play year-after-year. What's to say he can't do it again to make the final leap?
Jerome Randle ended his career a winner at Cal. I know I doubted him at first, but I'm not betting against him to stop winning whereever he goes. Like he said, Jerome Randle is all about proving people wrong.
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Winning tourney MVP at PIT and the game MVP at Reese’s is a strong positive. Sure he won’t be a star, but I think he could do what another tiny Ben Braun point guard has done – find a role. (That tiny point guard was Earl Boykins)
The key to making the league as a back-up is to be a specialist. Players who are good at everything aren’t what NBA teams need off the bench. But players who are superlative at one thing (rebounding, 3 point shooting, running a team, shot blocking) can have a long career in the NBA.
I think jerome could be a great backup point guard. Kyle Lowry in Houston, Earl Boykins wherever he’s been, Arroyo, Ridnour, Barbosa – this is a role that Randle could fill.
I voted overseas
It’s always nice to point to Earl Boykins and say that because he made it, the door isn’t closed for other tiny guards – but that’s like pointing to Tim Lincecum and saying every 5’11 right hander with a funky delivery is going to make it. Sure it proves it’s possible, but given that there’s only one Boykins and every other player he’d be matched up against would have a sizable height advantage leads me to think that he won’t have much of a chance in the pros.
I do think he has a chance at sticking around as a late-second rounder or an undrafted free agent for a year or two, but given his stature and his low assist totals (I know it’s not like our Bears played in a very traditional offense, but still) I think his future at best is something akin to what Salim Stoudamire was able to do – ace 3-point shooter in college who has a chance to stick around for a year or two, but probably won’t be in the NBA or average more than 15 minutes a game.
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Just too small. Contrary to this:
point guards are like quarterbacks; they direct the offense but their defensive impact is minimal
PG’s do have to play defense, and it does matter. Rebounding matters, too. If Randle measures bigger at the combine than I’m expecting to, I reserve the right to take this opinion back, but I’m expecting him to come in at something like 5’8-‘59, and that’s just not big enough. He needs to at least come in at Aaron Brooks size to have a chance.
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Earl Boykins. Or, Nate Robinson.
Height will not be what keeps Randle out of the NBA.
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Funny thing, none of those examples seem to be named “Jerome Randle”….
Do you have any doubt if Randle was 6’3 he’d be in the NBA easily, with his skills and quickness? Yes, height is THE factor working against him, if you can’t see that, I’d have to suggest you’ve never played basketball before in your life….
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
height is THE factor working against him
Well, more like size. Height matters, length matters, weight/strength matter.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve heard they usually care more about girth than length though…
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by CruzinBears on Apr 13, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Depends, for a PG girth usually isn’t that important. Length is really important because height alone isn’t very telling of how “tall” you are – how far you can reach with your arms is a better indicator of how “tall” you really are, in a basketball sense of the word. NBA players are long.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Looking back on it…..yeah I missed that one completely. Dunno what I was thinking. My bad.
by Missing Barry on Apr 14, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions
My point is that other players, who are shorter than JR, have achieved success in the NBA.
So, while his height may make it more difficult on him, I would argue that it’s not the insurmountable obstacle you seem to believe. It’s almost as if you’re of the opinion that unless someone is 6’ + they have no chance at the NBA.
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It’s almost as if you’re of the opinion that unless someone is 6’ + they have almost no chance at the NBA.
There’s no magical arbitrary number, but size is a positive factor, and Randle has a ton to make up for in that department. I’m waiting to see combine measurements to get a real picture of his size, but he’s skinny, really short, not long…..it’s just too much for him to overcome. If he were longer (than I expect he is), 20 pounds heavier, could jump a lot higher, and still finish at the rim despite his size, I’d be a lot more optimistic. In his case, I don’t see how he’s going to make up for his lack of size.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Just for the record, there’s nothing wrong with heading over to Europe to play. They play the second best basketball in the world over there (depends on what league you’re in), it pays very well, especially if you’re legitimately good, and is a much better option than the D-league in every way except two – D-League is useful if you move up into the NBA permanently, but sucks if you don’t, and the other is if your preference is simply to stay in America. I guess the point I’m making is if Randle gets an invitation to one of the better leagues over in Europe, that’s a great opportunity for him and something he should definitely be proud of.
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by atomsareenough on Apr 13, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
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by CruzinBears on Apr 13, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
NBA role player
I think the recent influx of PGs in the NBA bodes well for Jerome Randle. Sure, there are more young competition to beat out, but it also shows that the league is becoming more PG dominated. The faster pace offense that is getting popular (especially with the fans), despite not being proven to be championship worthy, requires good PG play (as opposed to just run an isolation play for the star SG from back in the day). Randle’s quickness (including with the ball) is the key to him getting a shot (maybe even drafted in the high second round) in the Association.
His lack of size defensively and the resulting lack of stamina to go 30+ minute per game will likely prevent him from being a star. Nevertheless, I think Jerome Randle can be a solid role player in the right system.
by LEastCoastBears on Apr 13, 2010 10:12 AM PDT reply actions
Actually I feel that could be a deterrent
Only because point guards won’t be as highly prized in future drafts as much as big men. Almost every team in the NBA has at least one good point guard now. Although I hope you’re right and that some teams will be williing to augment that number.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Apr 13, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Oddly, its because there’s so many good point guards – even on the bench (Collison, Ty Lawson, Kyle Lowry among others) – that you need two or even three very good point guards in the league.
Anyways – I think what bodes the best for J-Rome is Eric Maynor’s success in the league.
Maynor is so small! I saw him up close a couple weeks ago, couldn’t believe how skinny he was.
by Missing Barry on Apr 13, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I think what will happen is Randle will work his way onto a team — he just needs to be given a chance. Even if he goes undrafted, I can see him in some team’s camp and then just doing what he does best and forcing the coaches/management to keep him because of his productivity. There’s no way that once he gets a chance, Randle doesn’t show up and perform.
The only knock I have on Jerome is his tendency for the lazy turnover. His shooting is NBA-worthy, and the hands-off rules really benefit his ability to penetrate.
But as a backup, if he can’t bring the ball up and at least initiate the offense without throwing it away, he’ll get cut. Depending on the coach/GM, that would be a deal-breaker.
If he finds the right fit, (D’Antoni?) and learns to take care of the ball a little better, I think he could make it. Odds are against him, but I’d love for him to make it.
Define ‘lazy turnover’. You mean when he passes it into traffic and his bigs can’t finish with the ball? I think a lot of that is on the bigs too because their instincts are sorely lacking at screen and roll hoops.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Apr 13, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope. The ones where he’s supposed to initiate the offense and it gets picked off when going to the wing. The ones where he’s penetrating or trying to thread the needle are excusable because he’s trying to make a play. I’m talking about the “are you kidding me” variety where he’s passing from the top of the key to the wing, or vice-versa. He’ll do a lazy one-handed pass, telegraph it, and it’s a layup the other way.
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by BlackandOldGold on Apr 13, 2010 11:26 AM PDT reply actions
He wont ever be a starter
But a role guy off the bench in the nba… He may end up over seas once its all said and done though
Well, one of the interesting things about the NBA is that the spots on the end of the bench aren’t necessarily reserved for guys with the same skills as everyone else. I could easily see Jerome earning a bench spot based on his shooting and quickness. I think in that way he could be a little like poor man’s Darren Collison – a backup who can give some really good minutes in place of a A-list point.
On the other hand, rather than his size being his limiting factor, I just don’t think Randle is a good enough passer to be an NBA caliber point guard. And he can’t guard enough players to get time at the two spot. But he has some unique skills, and is clearly a hard enough worker to earn a roster spot if he can find a coach that likes him.
A small point guard with a high 3 point percentage from the Pac-10…hmm…I’m intrigued.
It’d be real funny if the Moreys tried to duplicate Brooks with Randle off the bench.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Apr 13, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying Jerome Randle is going to be a star or even a regular player, but Mike Wilks (MIKE WILKS) – who is a hell of a nice kid and a decent basketball player has a 7 year NBA Career.
I’m 5’6". I’ve stood next to Mike Wilks – he’s maybe 5’10". Jerome Randle is better than Mike Wilks.
Well, he threw a few too many interceptions, sure, but I thought he was a pretty good passer! He did lead the Saints to their first ever playoff win, after all. He was no slouch!

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No doubt that is true. I would have put Darren Collison in the same group of “not great passers” prior to the draft, but he is playing great. So, maybe I don’t know much. Collison and Brooks both are living on their quickness – and Randle is just as quick.
I also like the argument that Randle’s passing was limited by the other players on the floor. But a center or even decent power forward out there, and he might look really good given his ability to drive.
I do think that there is a tendency to focus on only two negative aspects of Randle’s game – his size and his occasional out-of-controlness. I think his game has some other issues too – mainly passing and but also to some extent his ability to bring the ball up court in press situations. But he also has some real strengths. To make it in the NBA you probably only need to do one or two things well – Randle might just make it on Shooting and Quickness.
by Tedfordisgod on Apr 14, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyways – I think your last point is the most important. If he can find a coach that likes him – is by far more important than actual ability or fit or anything we’ve discussed here.
Ryan Bowen – a guy who can’t really do anything but hustle and defend – over 6 year NBA career. Mike Wilks, a steady but completely the opposite of spectacular point guard who does everything ok, but nothing really well – 6-7 year NBA veteran. The league is littered with guys who aren’t as good as guys playing overseas or D-league or unemployed – but because somewhere they’re viewed as coachable, and not trouble makers and likeable by coaches – they have a job.

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