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Cal Basketball Loses A Thrilling Pac-10 Tournament Final to Washington

Let's get one thing straight. California did not lose this game. Washington won it. To be more precise, they took it from us and held onto it tight. They were the desperate team and it showed. They nailed every tough shot, hit all their free throws down the stretch, and made those extra special plays that usually happens when a team needs to get to the dance. To think this was the same team that Oregon State nearly had on the ropes two nights ago is a little bizarre, but it just goes to show how deep Washington was, and why they were predicted to finish 1st or 2nd in the Pac-10 by many people. They needed this one more than we did, and it showed. Kudos to them for being the second (and likely last) Pac-10 team to be going to March Madness.

To win a conference tournament like this doesn't just require strength or experience or talent. It requires depth, the ability to balance lineups and play 8, 9, 10 guys while limiting the rotations of everyone involved. And Washington has always had the deepest roster in the Pac-10. The Bears, despite being a more balanced lineup overall, had no one to spell Jerome Randle (Jorge Gutierrez came in but was ineffective at the point, Nikola Knezevic saw a few minutes and did not contribute except for the final steal) and our bulldog looked pretty ragged by the end of this. My biggest concern all season has not been clutchness or defense but fatigue, when the big minutes our seniors have logged all season came back to affect our games. They caught up with Randle and Patrick Christopher tonight, as both struggled with their shot (6-22 combined, 2-11 from three point land). Hopefully they recover in time for the tournament.

But while the Bears struggled with their shot (only, they never quit. When Washington took a 9 point lead early in the second half and looked ready to finish us off, Cal came roaring back to take a slim lead late. Theo Robertson played great ball (25 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists) and did his best job bringing them back on that critical run. Jamal Boykin had an excellent all-around game, notching another double-double under his belt with 20 points and 14 boards. Unfortunately they were the only Bears who were on their game. Gutierrez for all his stalwart defensive efforts, went 0-5 from the field and did not play well on offense, and Omondi Amoke went 1-5, messing up a few crucial putbacks.

Although I never like to lose, I'm a little relieved that the Bears didn't go into the NCAA tournament riding a 7 game hot streak--I've seen too many teams go into the tourney hot and then get bounced in the first round. I might be less relieved if we end up in the dreaded 8/9 seed, but otherwise...well, better to lose this game than the next game. Or the next one, or the next one...

More updates coming. Just remember this: The Bears are still going dancing. It just becomes a matter of where and with who.

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Cal will be a _________
5 seed or higher
9 votes
6-7 seed
84 votes
8-9 seed
74 votes
10-11 seed
24 votes
12 seed or lower
4 votes
N-I-T! N-I-T!
23 votes

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Amy or defeatist Cal alums who have the proven history of “We’re Cal. They’re going to find a way to screw us.”

by LeonPowe on Mar 13, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Cal will make the tournament but it’s a lot closer than you probably think, especially if Utah State, Ohio State, or Kentucky lose their championship games. If they all win I’d say Cal has a 60%-70% chance of making the tournament.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

we're in the tourney for sure

our RPI is solid and we’re pac10 champs. just a question of our seed…

by ucsdgoldenbear on Mar 13, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Washington is playing well and a particularly tough matchup for the Bears. I don’t think this loss is a bad thing – might hurt seeding a bit – but I don’t think going into the tourney with a long winning streak is great either. We just now have to hope for match-ups in the first couple rounds (I’d much prefer Duke to a Syracuse rematch for example) and a good location.

We shoot well enough to beat anyone on a given night and this team still beats my expectations more often than not. But, of course, the tourney is a bit of a crapshoot.

by Tedfordisgod on Mar 13, 2010 6:48 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I would prefer a 7 seed or to be underseeded in general, but yes, if we do fall into that dreaded 8-9 category Duke is the #1 seed we matchup the best against. Syracuse and Kansas would be nightmares and Kentucky is exactly like Washington, times 100. Duke is projected for the West, so hopefully they’d give the Pac-10 champ some respect and keep them out West.

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by Avinash on Mar 13, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Not much to add to this.

Went to the game again today, and deep down, I expected us to drop this game. The dogs played horribly last night, and I remarked to my friend that it was a sign they were going to come out shooting fire for the final game. When Udub came out flying and pushing the basket, while getting away with hard fouls on our guys driving the basket, it was clear they wanted it badly. It would be a hard to ask of our seniors to match their intensity, especially after the stellar performances they gave us the last two games. In addition, the Udub fans that showed up brought their energy, and that definitely fed their team when Cal got their lead in the game.

All in all, I’m disappointed that we lost, but only because it was a loss. Huge silver linings on this cloud, and I hope the Bears get over this and move into the real tourney with confidence. At least we didn’t lose to the bruins or the furd. That would’ve been reason for heavy drinking. Instead, I’m going to drink a beer and look forward to Sunday afternoon.

Go Bears.

by CaliforniaBone on Mar 13, 2010 6:56 PM PST reply actions  

Disappointing but expected

Didn’t get to watch the game but followed the box score. One thing is for sure though that Cal is most likely not staying in San Jo for the tourney as they probably wont make that 5 seed mark. I’m going to say they are an 8-9 seed unfortunately with maybe an outside chance at 7.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Mar 13, 2010 7:14 PM PST reply actions  

Comments

after watching on TV

Bad omens for the coming game:

- Warshington seemed a step quicker and an inch higher. Maybe their depth, maybe they needed it more.
- They put their All Pac-10 defender on Randle and neutralized him (and maybe he was tired and maybe he was having a bad day). Robertson made them pay but Christopher and Gutierrez did not.
- They had large men very active on the boards.
- No answer for Poindexter when he had the ball in isolation.

Good:

+ Boykin has developed new skills: jumper longer and more reliable, some moves to the hole, and playing well against larger men.
+ Robertson, Randle and Christopher do a real nice job against the 2-3 zone in springing one of them free for an open three-pointer. Hopefully we will see that, and not 1-3-1 or a large and fast point guard playing with malice against Randle.
+ Even with Randle bottled up and Christopher slowed (injury? tired? off night?) Cal had chances to win this game.
+ Gutierrez, Amoke and Zhang have upside potential. They might make a difference in the next game. Hopefully they will improve for next year (but where will the shooting come from?)

They played a good tournament, represented well.

jh

by Jake88 on Mar 13, 2010 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

They mentioned P.Chris’s knee is a little sore.

and we’re going to have to depend on a freshman for shooting. But all reports indicate that Crabbe is that guy.

by LeonPowe on Mar 13, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe PC was suffering from tendonitis

3 games in 3 nights could not have been making that feel any better.

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by Avinash on Mar 13, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the important thing is that both teams put on a good show for a national audience. Our conference still won’t get too much respect – but at least we didn’t put up only 11 points in one half. It was a close, hard fought battle in which both teams looked tournament worthy. The selection committee should definitely keep that in mind when determining our seeding – let’s hope for the 7.

by Sharkbit12 on Mar 13, 2010 7:27 PM PST reply actions  

5 seed.

I asked my magic 8 ball if we were a 5 seed, and it said “signs point to yes”

by oski4u on Mar 13, 2010 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

WE ALL KNOW IT'S HAPPENING NOW BABY!

"But it only takes five future unabombers to take what should be a 400-comment thread and turn it into a 1,200-comment one full of anger… anger I suspect has more to do with the fact that they can’t land the hot chick rather than the fact that we signed Aubrey Huff instead of gave Garko a chance after dealing away a supposedly valuable prospect for him." -mlb22
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by MadBum on Mar 13, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Most bracketologists had Cal between an 8 and a 12 before the loss today. A 5 isn’t happening.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Most bracketologists are usually wrong

Trust me, they screwed up a lot of seedings last year. Cal is safe and is in much better shape than the ‘experts’ indicate.

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by Avinash on Mar 13, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

They’re not a 5 though. They should be in, but it’s not an absolute lock.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Did anybody else hear

CBS say if we lost, we were in the last 4 out? I’m really hoping that they aren’t right

"But it only takes five future unabombers to take what should be a 400-comment thread and turn it into a 1,200-comment one full of anger… anger I suspect has more to do with the fact that they can’t land the hot chick rather than the fact that we signed Aubrey Huff instead of gave Garko a chance after dealing away a supposedly valuable prospect for him." -mlb22
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by MadBum on Mar 13, 2010 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t think they will be right but you’re either one of the last four in or last four out. It’s a lot closer than people on here seem to think.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude I'm happy your team won

But come on. Cal was moved into lock territory after we beat Oregon.

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by Avinash on Mar 13, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t think this is me hating on Cal or anything. It’s just that when you look at the math, there’s a chance that Cal isn’t going to make it, and you can’t possibly deny it. I DO THINK THEY WILL GET IN. It’s just not a LOCK. For instance, if UW had lost today, they’d have had NO chance, and I’d have been the first to admit it. I actually got banned on UW Dawg Pound for saying so.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess this blog is more optimistic about the Pac-10's chances than you are

I felt that most people around here thought UW would make it anyway (although I think the case for them would be a lot more difficult than for us)

by Sharkbit12 on Mar 13, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s been that way on all the Pac-10 blogs I’ve read. It’s really pretty strange—a lot of bracketologists (including Jerry Palm, who almost always gets 33 or 34/34 at-large teams correct) have been saying that California is absolutely not a lock. The bubble is shrinking with UTEP losing and other teams from big conferences playing themselves in. Utah State is losing right now too—if they lose it gets REALLY close.

I absolutely hope you make it, and I’m not trying to be rude or anything. I just think it’d be a shame if everyone around here assumed your team was in and you ended up falling short.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Lunardi (who is usually right about who gets in, not about where they go) has us locked. The only way that we might not have gotten in is if we had split the Pac-10 title with ASU. NO MAJOR conference team has ever gotten shut out of at-large bids, no matter how bad they are.

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by Avinash on Mar 13, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, so if you take two of the best bracketologists, one thinks you’re a lock and one thinks you’re out. That doesn’t equal a lock.

Conferences don’t get bids, teams do.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Our RPI is 19. No one with an RPI over 30 has ever missed the tourney. Ever.

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by Avinash on Mar 13, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Just a few years ago a team with an RPI of 21 missed the tournament. There’s precedent for this.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, remember, that RPI is going to go down with today’s loss. Right now it’s a 20.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

(also, btw, Lunardi doesn’t do the Bubble Watch page that lists locks)

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, must we go through this

Look, the Pac-10 isn’t going to get shut out of everything but their Staples Center tourney winner. It was never going to happen, and the chances of it happening shrunk to pretty much zero once Cal won the conference free and clear.

I’m as much of a “Pac-10 gets screwed all the time” guy as anyone, but there’s just no way a major conference doesn’t get its champion in a 64-team tournament. Besides, Cal played a lot of really good teams, so it’s RPI and all those other rankings are good.

by bear88 on Mar 13, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

You don’t need to convince me. I’d bet that they get in, and if I were picking the field I’d absolutely take them. It’s just that, when you actually take the two seconds out of your day to look at the teams fighting for at-large spots, you’ll see that there are ~30 that clearly have a better resume than California and another 4 or 5 that have comparable profiles. It’s not a lock. That’s all I’m saying.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I would feel a bit concerned about this if our RPI weren’t 19, and our SOS wasn’t top-10. They are talking about teams on the bubble (Illinois, Minnesota) with RPIs of 70 and SOS of 50. There is no comparison.

by Scootie on Mar 13, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

The comparison comes when you look at quality wins, which the committee factors heavily. California beat one team in the RPI top 50 (Washington), and it came at home. Illinois has three wins against teams in the RPI top 25—two away from home—and another two against teams in the RPI 26-50.

Basically, based on how the WAC, Big Ten, and SEC finals go, there will be between 3 and 5 at-large spots available for the following teams:

California
Florida
Virginia Tech
Illinois
Minnesota
Mississippi State

I think California gets one of those. You think California gets one of those. But no one should be betting their first born child that California gets one of those.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Cal is the Champion of a major conference.

Say it again.

Cal is the Champion of a major conference.

Cal is the Champion of a major conference.

Cal is the Champion of a major conference.

Cal is the Champion of a major conference.

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by TwistNHook on Mar 13, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

one more time please for the crowd in the wayy back

by nickle on Mar 13, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

UW won 3 games in 3 days. Cal is the Champion of a major conference.

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by TwistNHook on Mar 13, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Cal is the regular season champion of the number 8 conference.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Pomeroy has us as the sixth conference.

Number of bids do not correlate to strength of conference.

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by Avinash on Mar 14, 2010 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Number of bids do not correlate to strength of conference.

Which is the exact fucking reason why California IS NOT A LOCK.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 12:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, that’s not totally true—it’s one of many fucking reasons.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

They’re not. It’s fun to talk about but they’re wrong and they know it.

There’s NO WAY Cal doesn’t get in. I can’t believe we’re talking about this. We were in the tournament a long time ago. Just because some bubble spots are being taken away doesn’t affect us. There’s a lot of other teams that are sweating because of those spots, but luckily we’re not one of them.

by nickle on Mar 13, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sweating would be a mistake.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Continuing this discussion would be a mistake. If you want to say Cal isn’t a lock, write a fanpost and express your viewpoints well.

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by Avinash on Mar 13, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. I don’t want to make a response to this.

by nickle on Mar 13, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Long explanation coming up

Alright, so, there’s obviously 31 auto bids and 34 at-large bids available. Right now, I think anyone would agree that the following 33 teams that haven’t received automatic bids are locks (you probably don’t need to read this, but just so there’s no confusion from where I’m coming from):

ACC: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Wake Forest
Atlantic 10: Richmond, Temple, Xavier
Big East: Georgetown, Louisville, Marquette, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Villanova
Big Ten: Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin
Big 12: Baylor, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M
Mountain West: BYU, New Mexico, UNLV
SEC: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West Coast: Gonzaga

Now, the only teams that are still left in the Atlantic 10 and ACC tournaments are all listed above, so we don’t need to worry about a team “stealing” that conference’s bid. So, between 29 (if one of the above teams from every conference that still can wins their auto bid) and 33 (if none of them do except Atlantic 10 and ACC) auto bids are spoken for. In other words, between four and one bids are still left over.

The following teams would be competing for those 1-4 remaining bids:

Utah State
UTEP
Florida
Virginia Tech
Illinois
California
Minnesota (if they lose)

That’s not a lock for California.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously, look in the mirror and tell yourself that if Minnesota and Mississippi State win tomorrow that California is ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED to get a bid over all three of Utah State, UTEP, and Illinois. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

How long do I have to keep on looking at the mirror? He’s still staring at me and I keep on saying it.

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by Avinash on Mar 13, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I love to look in the mirror. BECAUSE I’M SO VAIN.

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by TwistNHook on Mar 13, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

You probably think this song is about you.

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by atomsareenough on Mar 14, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cal's profile is easily better than that of Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Marquette, Texas, or UNLV

This is really not close. Stop trolling.

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by PaulThomas on Mar 13, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. No. Not even close. That’s a joke.

Wake Forest: three wins against RPI top 25, three against 26-50, not a single loss to a team outside the top 100

Georgia Tech: two wins against RPI top 25, including Duke, three wins against 26-50

Marquette: three wins against RPI top 25 (two away from home), including Georgetown and Villanova

Texas: two wins against RPI top 15, three against 26-50

California: zero wins against RPI top 40, one against Washington.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

... and all of those teams have sucked ass down the stretch of the season

It’s not all about RPI top whatever wins. If you were going to use that, you might as well just use the RPI.

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by PaulThomas on Mar 13, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I should also add

that Cal has a current Pomeroy ranking of 14, which (admittedly pending today’s action, but a close loss in what was expected to be a close win will not swing the Pythag much if at all) would be the single highest ranking ever omitted from the NCAA tournament in the years that the ranking has existed. There’s exactly one other team that is even CLOSE to that high of a ranking that was omitted, and that’s the 2006 South Carolina team that went 6-10 in their conference and, frankly, buffered that ranking a bunch by winning the NIT.

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by PaulThomas on Mar 13, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Pomeroy rankings are not part of the selection process.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Not the point

The point is that this would be the most talented team ever omitted from an NCAA tournament field. By an enormous margin.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Mar 13, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

The point is that this would be the highest rated team in a metric that the NCAA doesn’t use or consider by an enormous margin. That’s completely meaningless.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be unbelievably shocked if the committee was not aware of the Pomeroy rankings

and merely very shocked if they were ignored completely.

This isn’t 1990 anymore. People know things about basketball. The selection committee is not populated by doofuses.

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by PaulThomas on Mar 13, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Pomeroy freely admits that his rankings are a predictive tool and are NOT designed to measure how good of a season a team has had, which is what the NCAA is deciding.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

It is part of the data given to the selection committee, though:

From an ESPN article about the mock committee exercise

Does the committee care about tempo-free? Kind of, but not really. Ken Pomeroy’s invaluable efficiency ratings are explicitly listed in the “resources” section of our committee materials, alongside Sagarain ratings and Jerry Palm’s CollegeRPI.com. But they’re listed last, and in our committee, which is made up of media members who write about basketball numbers for a living (and not, you know, conference commissioners and athletic directors), Ken Pomeroy’s stats came up maybe once or twice.

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Right. A mock committee that is more in tune with Pomeroy’s rankings mentioned them once or twice. You’ve proven my point.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I recognize that the RPI matters, but here's the paradox

If you grade wins and losses based on their RPI, then Cal’s RPI of ~20 means Cal should be in.

You’re grading everything by RPI. The RPI says that Cal is in.

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not grading everything by RPI. Teams with California’s RPI have been left out before. You’re not comprehending what I’m saying.

The selection committee looks at who you beat, who beat you, and where people you or they did the beating. Frankly, California didn’t beat anyone, and was beat by some bad teams.

You. Are. Not. A. Lock.

I think you should get in. I think you WILL get in. But you’re NOT A LOCK.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You. Are. Repeating. Yourself. in. an. arrogant. fashion.

All I’m saying is that the only data you site is RPI data. And the RPI says that Cal is the 20th best team in the country. That’s a contradiction.

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

*cite

The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS

by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm glad you corrected that

because i was totally going to do it for you and it would have made me look like an elitist prick

by Sharkbit12 on Mar 13, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, every time I write an article for this website I have one idiotic typo. And somebody always points it out. I’m 100% used to it.

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s not a contradiction. A team’s raw RPI ranking is one of many tools the selection committee uses. It is also primarily used to group teams and see how teams do against certain levels of competition. You were one and six against the RPI top 50. That’s bad.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm aware of that.

I’m not even criticizing you specifically, I’m criticizing the RPI. My problem is simple. If somebody justifies Cal’s exclusion from the NCAA tournament based solely on various RPI data sets (record vs. top 25, top 40, losses to 100+, etc.) that would be a gigantic logical fallacy, because that very system rates Cal as approx. the 20th best team.

I don’t know if you are doing that or not. I don’t really care.

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, maybe it IS a logical fallacy, but if it is then it’s a logical fallacy that the NCAA has committed many times before.

Take a look at this team.

Team X

Record: 20-8
RPI ranking: 21
Road/NC record: 8-6
Against RPI top 25: 1-2
Against RPI top 50: 4-8
Losses against teams outside RPI top 50: 0

That team has a better resume than you. That team is the 2005-2006 Missouri State Bears. That team did not make the NCAA tournament.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, maybe it IS a logical fallacy

Great, you agree with me. Everything else you just posted wasn’t what I was arguing with you about.

And I don’t remember anything specific about 2005-06, but I’d be willing to guess the bubble was stronger that year.

Also, sadly, I’m willing to guess the committee has a slight but meaningful bias in favor of teams from major conferences. Which is why the controversial exclusions are teams like Missouri St. and St. Marys.

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

OK, I think we’ve found some common ground. We both agree that California should make the tournament (i.e., they deserve to). We also both think that they will. I’m just saying that it’s not a guarantee, and that’s a hard point for you to refute.

It’s been fun chatting—I’m going to go now. I’ll be pulling for you guys tomorrow.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

wait what? you’re not a cal fan?

by nickle on Mar 13, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m absolutely not trolling. I’m not a troll. I just look at the numbers and what bracketologists are saying. Jerry Palm and the guy for Sports Illustrated are tweeting at each other right now about how California may be left out.

In any case, all the teams you listed are soooooooooooooooo clearly in the tournament.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he's trolling

he’s just consistently making a point that none of us agree with.

by Sharkbit12 on Mar 13, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think he is a troll. I think he genuinely believes it.

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by TwistNHook on Mar 13, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Although for what it's worth

he voted for NIT in the poll. So he’s contradicting his claim that he thinks we’ll make it.

by Sharkbit12 on Mar 13, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

so what is sixsevenfiftysix?

you keep repeating ad naseum that Cal likely will make the tourney…yet you voted that Cal will be in the NIT. Contradiction much?

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by CBKWit on Mar 13, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I voted for that because I had a feeling you all would be way too high on Cal’s chance and I wanted to make an attempt at “evening it out”.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

oh, that makes sense

no, wait, it makes absolutely no sense.

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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’ve REALLY never heard of strategic voting before?

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like Rush Limbaugh’s Operation Chaos?

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by TwistNHook on Mar 14, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is a poll on a blog

it has no relevance or bearing on anything

voting one way and then arguing the opposite just undermines your credibility.

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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It has no relevance or bearing on anything, but my vote undermines my credibility?

Also see my post below for my personal reasons for why I DO think it has relevance. Though I get that you guys won’t understand that.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

you are trying to make a point in a blog poll. Have you seen our blog polls before? This is not exactly the senate floor.

The only thing it has any bearing on is the mindless arguments that ensue after the poll in the comments section. So contradicting yourself this way, maybe not the best idea.

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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have you seen our blog polls before?

No.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could you at least conjecture?

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by AERose on Mar 14, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. And my conjecture, based on reasons that I explain below, was that you guys actually DO give a fuck. It was wrong.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

we just think you're dumb

you keep saying over and over that Cal SHOULD be in and that you think Cal WILL get in…but your vote says the opposite and you never mentioned it until you were called out. If you were trying to use it to make a point, why not mention it?

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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because I didn’t think it mattered? And you admit that it doesn’t, so we agree? Why the fuck are we talking about this?

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

well there you go. You show up here to stir shit up, playing both sides of the fence (I think Cal should get in but they’re not a lock), but you betray that by your own, useless vote. Not exactly the most graceful entrance

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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

well there you go. You show up here to stir shit up try to create a meaningful discussion, playing both sides of the fence stating what my actual opinion is (I think Cal should get in but they’re not a lock), but you betray that by your own, useless misplaced strategic vote.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

well you are very honest to own up to your mistake…after dozens of comments, when someone finally called you out.

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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

After ONE COMMENT, WHEN SOMEONE CALLED ME OUT FOR THE FIRST FUCKING TIME. This is SO pointless.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

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by TwistNHook on Mar 14, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Based on how things seem to be around here, I’m liking your attitude towards posting more and more. In fact, I think you may be operating on a higher thinking level than the rest of the people here (yes, including me).

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Twist is on a higher level?

WE’RE IN FOREIGN TERRITORY HERE PEOPLE! THERE IS NO PRECEDENT!

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by norcalnick on Mar 14, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you just called Twist an idiot savant. Some people around here might agree with you.

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by atomsareenough on Mar 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

(not me, I’m just saying)

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by atomsareenough on Mar 14, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, let’s be real. This point is tangentially related to something that’s tangentially related to the issue we’re discussing. It doesn’t matter whether I admitted I was wrong or not (which I did).

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think what rubbed me the wrong way

was that your insistence that you think we’re in was almost as if you were trying to placate us, especially since your vote indicates that you believe otherwise. If you genuinely think we won’t make it, fair enough. But when you continually repeat “I think you’re going to make it” when your vote indicates otherwise, it just muddles your actual opinion and leads us to believe that you might be on here just to start shit.

by Sharkbit12 on Mar 14, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully you understood some of that

because after reading what I wrote again, it sounds remarkably confusing.

by Sharkbit12 on Mar 14, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get it, it’s cool. Just follow my logic:

1) I presume that at least one person out there might care about the results of the poll
2) I presume that most people on this blog aren’t going to give a second’s worth of thought to the fact that California may not make it otherwise
3) I then decide to vote for “NIT” in light of 1) and 2)

Also, the very first two comments on this page contributed to my decision to vote for NIT, just to prove Leon Powe wrong.

Maybe you disagree with my logic, but you can probably at least understand where I was coming from.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apologies as I post this with two mathematical errors (I hastily edited it out of an email I sent yesterday about UW’s non-at large hopes, and forgot to change some parts).

For one, the highest number of bids that could end up being taken away is 31, not 33. On a related note, that means that it’s not 1-4 bids that those teams would be fighting for, but 3-6. A little better than what i posted but still not a lock.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Thus, a lock.

I don’t get what you’re trying to say. Resumes won’t change in 24 hours. You make it seem like there’s another week of the regular season left.

by nickle on Mar 13, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I’m not. I’m saying that RIGHT NOW, AT THIS MOMENT, California is right on the bubble.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think we all said what we needed to say. I appreciate the discussion, but I don’t think either of us or other posters are going to say anything new.

No, I don’t think you’re trolling either. But there’s too many trollers going around acting like the end of the world for cal basketball after every loss this season and I thought we were past that stage of our season a few weeks ago. So it’s sort of unnerving to see so many people who either have us as a really really low seed or like you, who see us maybe even not making the tournament.

by nickle on Mar 13, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

in that our body temperature would rise, yes, not sweating would be a mistake. But as far as Cal in the tourney, we’re a lock. And I totally believe in jinxes. And i’m still saying Cal is a lock :)

by ucsdgoldenbear on Mar 13, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Worrying about something completely outside of our control as fans would be a mistake.

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell that to my underarms!

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by TwistNHook on Mar 13, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Sigh...

Have I mentioned that I hate the Pac-10 tournament?

But as little regard as I have for the cynical money grab, I would have liked to have won it, because of seeding and the fact that we have never won the thing.

The cold reality is that it’s unlikely the Bears will be playing after next weekend, so it would have been nice to win the stupid tournament.

That said, it was a good game and nothing changes the fact that Cal won the Pac-10 championship.

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I have a CGB problem and I need help fixing it!

Promise I’m not just telling you…

My CGB screen has switched to the most bizarre formatting and I don’t know how to get it back to normal. It is now a navy blue background, with a single gold stripe and with all sorts of underlined blue-on-blue hyperlinks and black type, and none of the nice block-formatting or columns that it used to have.

It’s as though I have asked it somehow to show me the blog in text mode with no formatting whatsoever. Any ideas?

by Scootie on Mar 13, 2010 8:25 PM PST reply actions  

It’s an SBNation wide problem. There’s nothing we can do about it, they have to fix it.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

We were having this problem a few hours ago. It’s fixed for us. Try exiting your browser or restarting your computer.

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by Avinash on Mar 13, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, nice. I just did a refresh a second after you posted that and it works now.

Thank goodness!

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 13, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That was easily the best Pac-10 game of the year

It’s the first time all year that two of the three good team in the Pac (Cal, UW, and ASU) engaged in a well-played, hard-fought, close game. It’s a shame our guys came out on the short side, but I’m pleased with the effort.


Let’s get one thing straight. California did not lose this game. Washington won it. To be more precise, they took it from us

Nailed it.

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 8:43 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Although I’m willing to put money that Cal makes the tourney, a part of me is still a bit worried that somehow we get screwed. A few favorites in the midmajor did lose in their finals today to shrink the bubble a bit.

It would have been sweet to take home the trophy but I agree our lack of depth really hindered us today. With Randle being in check, we just couldn’t pull it off despite great efforts by Theo and Boykins (PC was decent as well).

With some luck (often not there for the Bears), we might get a decent draw and be able to make some noise.

by LEastCoastBears on Mar 13, 2010 9:16 PM PST reply actions  

Kudos to them for being the second (and likely last) Pac-10 team to be going to March Madness.

Shouldn’t you call them the first Pac-10 team to be going to the tournament?

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by zoonews on Mar 13, 2010 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

This is totally correct.

by nickle on Mar 13, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

But first on the board.

by nickle on Mar 13, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Assuming both UW and Cal get into the dance, who gets the higher seed?

by tmoran3020 on Mar 13, 2010 10:04 PM PST reply actions  

Cal. UDub’s resume only has noteworthy wins against…us.

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by Avinash on Mar 13, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Texas A&M is a pretty good win

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Um. Same can be said in reverse.

by tmoran3020 on Mar 13, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Cal. UW has a terrible road record, lower RPI. Amongst other things.

by nickle on Mar 13, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say Cal because a stronger strength of schedule and better in conference record weighs more heavily than UW’s 2-1 head to head advantage.

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s probably tough to say, as they’re both in the same sort of range, and the NCAA can move a team one seed up or down to fulfill other requirements anyway. Seeds are hard to predict.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Gray-Lawson update

GreyBear at BearInsider posted this bit of info that sounds very encouraging.

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by norcalnick on Mar 13, 2010 10:13 PM PST reply actions  

That’s a relief! Thanks for the update.

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by atomsareenough on Mar 14, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well...

I’m umm… Gonna have to go the unpopular route here and go with sixsevenfiftysix…

And I thnk that HAD we beat Syracuse, Ohio State, or Kansas, that we’d be a definite lock.

But he’s right, one win against Washington making our record 1-8 against RPI top 50 teams… It’s just a little hard for me to go buy my tourney tickets just yet.

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by Maisbikkja on Mar 13, 2010 10:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Wait, 1-8?

You mean 1-6?

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by Avinash on Mar 14, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, 1-6. Just so there’s no confusion, that’s:

Nov 19 lost vs Syracuse
Nov 20 lost vs Ohio State
Dec 2 lost at New Mexico
Dec 22 lost at Kansas
Jan 16 lost at Washington
Feb 11 beat Washington at home
Mar 13 lost vs Washington

(“vs” means neutral court)

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

1- 6*

Thanks, didn’t catch that

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by Maisbikkja on Mar 14, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The entire argument against Cal by one individual in this thread has been based solely on the Bears’ record against top 50 teams. It’s not a good statistic for Cal, but the Bears are 1-0 at home against top 50 teams, three were neutral site contests and three road games (three of those games also featured the absence of the number three scorer on the team, and second team all-conference performer).

But more to the point, top 50 wins is but one criterion and is hardly the deciding factor against Cal. Outside those top 50 road losses, Cal was 6-3 away from Haas. Cal was 8-2 in the last 10 games of the season. Obviously the RPI. Obviously the SOS. Preaching to the choir, but Cal is NOWHERE NEAR the cut line. This whole futile back-and-forth exercise has not necessarily been about whether or not Cal makes it into the tournament, but by what margin Cal makes it through. I can’t believe someone spent dozens of posts and most of the night arguing something so meaningless, but who am I to judge?

by ttgiang15 on Mar 14, 2010 1:35 AM PST up reply actions  

There are dozens of stats that I could give you to show that California aren’t a lock. For example, you have a losing record away from home. The committee cares about that a lot. I just didn’t feel like writing a book.

I explain why I felt it necessary to bother correcting a clear error below. I get that that’s probably pretty hard for someone around here to understand. I’m spoiled. Sorry.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 1:42 AM PST up reply actions  

There are dozens of stats that I could give you to show that California aren’t a lock. For example, you have a losing record away from home. The committee cares about that a lot. I just didn’t feel like writing a book.

I explain why I felt it necessary to bother correcting a clear error below. I get that that’s probably pretty hard for someone around here to understand. I’m spoiled. Sorry.

You don’t feel like writing a book, but you feel like belaboring a single point across 40 points in one thread. And please, get off your pedestal before you hurt yourself.

by ttgiang15 on Mar 14, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

dozens of stats

And Joe McCarthy had a list of 205 names of Communists within the State Department.

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by atomsareenough on Mar 14, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

MSG vs. Syracuse, when you’re California, is not really a “neutral site” contest, even though it may technically be.

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by atomsareenough on Mar 14, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way Cal gets left out of the tournament

All the logic above ignores the simple fact that the NCAA is heavily biased in favor of the “major” conferences, thus the comparison with Missouri State—however rational—is completely bogus. Forget all the various metrics such as RPI, which actually point to Cal’s favor; the Bears are a regular-season champ of a major conference which also made it to the final of their conference tournament, which they very nearly won. Cal is thus a lock. ASU has a better chance of getting an invite than Cal has of getting a snub.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Mar 13, 2010 11:22 PM PST reply actions  

Also, lets not forget that the NCAA’s main goal is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. West Coast fans watch too. Leaving Pac10 fans with a sour taste because their main standard bearer was left out would be wildly redick.

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by TwistNHook on Mar 13, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The tickets and ads are all sold already. Money isn’t a factor.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Money isn’t a factor.

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by TwistNHook on Mar 14, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

the NCAA is heavily biased in favor of the "major" conferences, thus the comparison with Missouri State

Hahahahahahhaha. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo false. Clearly, objectively false.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

OK. I’ll bite. Make your “objective” case that the NCAA doesn’t privilege the so-called majors.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Mar 14, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s happened before that “major” conference teams with RPI rankings better than some “non-major” teams that got at-large bids have been left out. Also remember that this year, the Pac-10 hardly qualifies as a major conference.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry. Not nearly enough to convince me. Indeed, it appears you don’t really appreciate the politics of the NCAA. The Pac-10, like the other “BCS” conferences, is always a “major”, no matter how crappy its teams were this year.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Mar 14, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, seriously... everyone stop discussing this.

Scroll down to Pac-10 Conference.
Observe ‘Autobid’ and ‘Lock’
Realize Washinton is ‘auto’, and Cal is ‘lock’
shutup.
revel.

no cal bear? no care

by EchoOfSilence on Mar 13, 2010 11:25 PM PST reply actions  

Bubble Watch has been wrong before. Also, they list 33 teams as locks and four teams that should be in—congratulations ESPN, that’s more teams than there are at-large bids!

UTEP and Utah State aren’t listed as locks but could easily make it over California.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

there are 34 teams listed as locks. there are 4 teams listed that “should be in.”
taking that total of 38 teams, subtract one each for duplicates (double listing of teams competing against each other tomorrow in the championship game—at-large turned automatic bids) in the Atlantic 10, ACC and the Big 10, that would leave 35—a number that assumes Mississippi State beats Kentucky tomorrow (who would otherwise have another automatic bid; 35 also assumes Minnesota gets an at-large, or beats tOSU). In essence, if the Bulldogs beat the Wildcats, they will have taken a spot from a team that “should be in.” So math-wise, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the number of teams accounted for in the projections. Congratulations ESPN, you can count unlike some of us!

by ttgiang15 on Mar 14, 2010 1:21 AM PST up reply actions  

You are right about precisely one thing, which is that I miscounted the number of locks. Also, since I miscounted low and not high, it actually helps my case.

You acknowledge that 35 (non-AQ) teams will be listed as “should be in” in a certain scenario. That means that by definition one of those teams would be left out.

Also keep in mind that ESPN changes this page all the time. Earlier today, Virginia Tech and UTEP were both listed as locks. Then Utah State lost. ESPN is somewhat generously saying that as things stand now California would be in for sure. That’s a completely different claim than saying “California are a lock for the tournament”, which is what people here were saying.

Good night.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 1:39 AM PST up reply actions  

The projection is that Kentucky will beat Mississippi State. That’s the what it is structured as is.

“Also keep in mind that ESPN changes this page all the time. Earlier today, Virginia Tech and UTEP were both listed as locks. Then Utah State lost. ESPN is somewhat generously saying that as things stand now California would be in for sure. That’s a completely different claim than saying "California are a lock for the tournament", which is what people here were saying.”

The Bubble Watch page was posted at 11:30pm at night, long after most of the discussion was over. In it, it listed Cal as a lock. Before the loss, it also listed Cal as a lock. What the hell are you talking about it?

by ttgiang15 on Mar 14, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

…I’m talking about the fact that ESPN CHANGES WHAT TEAMS ARE LISTED AS LOCKS. Just because ONE SITE THAT HAS BEEN WRONG ABOUT THESE THINGS BEFORE says you’re a lock while MANY OTHER NOTABLE BRACKETOLOGISTS HAVE CALIFORNIA AS ONE OF THE LAST TEAMS IN before Selection Sunday doesn’t even mean that THEY think you will be later.

Can you read? Do you speak English? Do you have functional reasoning skills? If so, there should be no question as to what I’m talking about.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

My last words before Selection Sunday

If Kentucky and Ohio State both win you can probably be reasonably sure you’re going dancing. Reasonably sure, but, again, if you guys get left out it wouldn’t be the most surprising thing to happen.

If either or both lose it gets really close. I still do think California would make it but no one in their right mind would say that they’re conclusively guaranteed a spot.

It’s been nice conversing with some of you. Others, well… I don’t need to say. And, let me state unequivocally: this is a much, much better community than UW Dawg Pound. I’m a bit spoiled because I spend my SBNation time on Japers’ Rink (a site that not only has been named the greatest hockey blog on the internet but has an outstanding community), which never posts BS. As a result, I tend to hold SBNation blogs to pretty high standards :)

Good luck tomorrow, and good luck in the postseason!

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 1:04 AM PST reply actions  

Fear the Fin has a pretty awesome community too

hopefully we cross paths in a couple of months. If not…we probably screwed up again.

by Sharkbit12 on Mar 14, 2010 1:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, Fear the Fin rocks. Love you guys over there.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 1:37 AM PST up reply actions  

uhhhh

Japers Rink has not been named the greatest hockey blog on the internet. Everyone reserves that title for From the Rink. Unless you’re a pens fan like me, and you like thepensblog because it is awesome and caps fans are, in their words, dick touchers.

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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, the best hockey blog is Western College Hockey Blog and everybody knows it. Don’t come up here all in my grille talking MAD SHIT about Western College Hockey Blog!

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by TwistNHook on Mar 14, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

PS I can’t find the site meter on Japer’s Rink, do you have a link to it?

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by TwistNHook on Mar 14, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe I’m out of touch with you kids and your twittering myspace accounts, but I have never heard of buzz manager. But if we are using useless, random blogs as an authority, then Cal must be a lock for the tourney, because that’s what I read at Californiagoldenblogs.com

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by CBKWit on Mar 14, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did I ever say “Japers’ Rink has been objectively declared the best hockey blog on the interwebs”? No.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Mar 14, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jesus told me Battle For California is the best hockey blog on the intertubbles.

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by TwistNHook on Mar 14, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Difference in the game...

…was the opening dunk putback by Amoke. It went thru the cylindar, hit the net with such force that it popped back out and didn’t count. Those would have been the first two points by Cal. CBS had no idea what it was doing. Enberg called it good as play continued, the marked up 2 for Cal on the scoreboard, then reset to 0, then put 2 back up, then removed the score graphic at the bottom of the screen altogether for a while, then put it back up after an apparent discussion in the truck.

They never mentioned the confusion, or showed a replay. But when Randle has the ball at the end, before he got fouled with 4.4, instead of being down 3, we should have been down 1. He makes both free throws (a given) and Cal wins.

That’s how close a game this was. I wish I could hear the selection committee mention that.

What? Cal drops from a 6 seed with a win to a 10 seed on account of a stupid thing like that? Anybody else know what I’m talking about? I said at the time, I hope we don’t need those 2 points later on…"

by concordtom on Mar 14, 2010 8:05 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing yesterday

"But it only takes five future unabombers to take what should be a 400-comment thread and turn it into a 1,200-comment one full of anger… anger I suspect has more to do with the fact that they can’t land the hot chick rather than the fact that we signed Aubrey Huff instead of gave Garko a chance after dealing away a supposedly valuable prospect for him." -mlb22
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FILE -- This is an Oct. 18, 2008 file photo showing Connecticut corner back Jasper Howard (6) trying to get the crowd into the game during the fourth quarter of an NCAA college football game against Rutgers, in Piscataway, N.J.   Jasper Howard had his little sisters' names tatooed on his chest. His friends say it was a constant reminder of why he was at U Conn _ to provide his family with a better life than the one he had in Miami's Little Haiti. (AP Photo/Mel Evans, File) link

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