Golden Nuggets: It's Been a Long 12 Weeks for Tedford
by Berkelium97 on Mar 12, 2010 3:00 PM PST
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PrintBREAKING NEWS: Jeremiah Masoli has been suspended for the 2010 season. [Correction:] He has the option to redshirt in 2011. LaMichael James and Rob Beard are suspended for the opening game, ensuring they will only win by 20 against New Mexico.
"I've been in a really bad mood for a long time," he said this week. "You're always irritable after a loss, but then you have the next week to do something about it. You're forced to move on. It really leaves a bad taste in your mouth when you lose a bowl game, and I'm sure it does for the whole team.
"We need to improve. We want to make sure we stay positive, but if we want to compete, we have to make sure we're getting better."
Tedford and his reshaped coaching staff will tackle several pressing issues between now and April 24. That doesn't include replacing dynamic tailback Jahvid Best, who chose to enter the NFL draft after his junior season. Shane Vereen sparkled after Best went down with a season-ending concussion Nov. 7, making tailback one of the few set-in-stone positions.
Still, the Bears have plenty on their plate. They must integrate a new defensive coordinator (Clancy Pendergast), find answers in the secondary, upgrade their special teams, locate help for Marvin Jones at wide receiver and dramatically improve their pass protection.
And, oh yes, they also could use better play at quarterback.
As usual, the quarterback situation counts as the most compelling story line of spring. Senior-to-be Kevin Riley enters practice as the starter, but Tedford made it clear - as he did last year - that it's open competition to determine who starts the opener.
Beau Sweeney and Brock Mansion hadn't earned Tedford's trust at this time in 2009, but the coach now seems more open to the "open competition" concept.
"Kevin has been our starter - you hope everyone improves with experience, and it's no different with him," Tedford said. "He'll start (spring practice) as the starter, but Beau and Brock are right there on his heels. ... We're not going to come out of spring with anything guaranteed."
After the jump Best/Alualu/Syd talk about Pro Day and the Combine, Ted Miller interviews Kevin Riley, JO reports from the first day of practice, Cal's big win over Oregon gave the starters time to rest, ESPN lists Cal as a tourney team most susceptible to a "giant killer," and more.
Cal Football
- JO looks ahead to the start of spring practice and the questions Cal must answer if they hope to be at the top of the Pac this season. JO's first practice report has limited info, but some insight into the current depth chart.
- Best, Alualu, and Syd talked to JO about the Combine, Pro Day, the NFL, and more.
- Ted Miller interviews Kevin Riley and asks what went wrong last season and what he has been working on in the offseason.
- JO previews the secondary. Competition should be fierce in the Bears' secondary. The arrival of Pendergast, whose defensive backs thrived under his defense, should make things even more interesting.
- The schedule has undergone more changes, leaving Cal with only one bye week.
Cal Basketball
- Faraudo traces Cal's win over Oregon. Cal started strong and pulled away, giving the starters ample time to rest for today's matchup against UCLA. Faraudo has some postgame tidbits of information. Gary Peterson has a list of quick-hitters following Cal's win over Oregon. He goes on to address football, Tiger Woods, and a hodgepodge of other topics.
- After Randle's perfect half, there was nothing Oregon could do to keep up with the Bears.
- ESPN lists Cal among 10 highly seeded teams most vulnerable to a "Giant Killer." They cite Cal's defense as a potentially exploitable flaw in a first-round upset.
- Wilner has some thoughts on the first full day of the Pac-10 tourney.
- Faraudo has 20 questions for Robert Thurman, transfer from Norwich University in Vermont.
- Allen Crabbe, Richard Solomon, and Gary Franklin Jr continue to advance in the postseason.
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Twist told me to discuss something here. But no discussion is being had. OMG did I just get punked and thrown out of the DBD???
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I’ll talk with you!
Umm…this sucks for Oregon!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
But its totes good for everyone else in the Pac-10, which includes Cal… so yayayayayayaya
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I’ve been trying to find articles on WTF happened in Oregon? I mean 1 or 2 people getting in trouble I get, but the sheer number of problems may be symptomatic of the program. In which case, what IS going on up there that this is happening?
I think I read somewhere that it shouldn’t be the recent Pac10 success that they had. Chip Kelly or Belotti said something to the effect of , well we’ve been No. 2 in the past which is successful so that can’t be it…
Thoughts?
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Cheerleaders. Arrogant fans. Plush facilities. Phil Knight’s toys, jerseys, top of hte line Nike gear, jacuzzis…
Talk about enablers.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Plus that shitty Oregon beer….
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That Duck must’ve encouraged them too.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
But that’s not new or different. Chip Kelly as new HC is obvi diff but Belotti is still AD so it just seems weird that this is happening.
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I suspect it is the combination of troubled players with great success. And don’t forget that at the beginning of the year there was a lot of talk about Chip Kelly not having the respect of his players and Belotti interfering in the player-coach relationships. Could be that Kelly doesn’t have much control.
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by CalBear81 on Mar 12, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
rec’d. completely plausible imo. if the chain of command is unclear then the soldiers won’t fall in line.
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I also thinking winning the Pac-10 this year was a HUGE enabler to “I’m King Kong I can do whatever I want now.” behavior we’ve seen in Eugene this winter. These actions are too dumb.
And I do agree about the Kelly/Bellotti change of regime. Bellotti wasn’t as great a coach but he was far more hands on than Chip is. Chip seems more like an Xs and Os kind of guy. It’s the sort of transition Tedford’s been struggling to make the past few years.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Oh great you made this conclusion a minute before me. Fail.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
I also thinking winning the Pac-10 this year was a HUGE enabler to "I’m King Kong I can do whatever I want now." behavior we’ve seen in Eugene this winter. These actions are too dumb.
I humbly suggest that, as a premier research university, the University of California at Berkeley should test this hypothesis. I think that we can provide a valuable service to the psychology field by doing so. For the sake of research, Cal should win the Pac-10 next year and go to the Rose Bowl. We can then see if our players display the aforementioned “King Kong” mentality. I, for one, would be happy for our football team to participate in this important study.
I am a Vereenian.
If there is anything to this story other than random statistical chance, I would say possibly Oregon’s willingness to recruit players with a troubled past. If you’re going to recruit guys with criminal history (juvenile or otherwise) you’d better be sure they’re past that or watch them like a hawk
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So in terms of severity of punishment Masoli > Blount > LMJ why is that?
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Years of Eligibility Remaining?
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Favoritism? That’s prob why the ORE prog is in trouble. If it’s Tedford he’d kick all three outta the team. Uncertain whether Cal would expel all three tho.
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That’s my opinion. They don’t want to lose James, so they found a way to let him play. But they knew someone needed to take a hit, and they decided Masoli was more expendable. And what about the guy that got suspended for a DUI? He was a back-up, so he can go under the bus, too.
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Masoli was a felony
LMJ misdimeanor (shit how do you spell that word?)
Blount = Masoli no?
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Need Twist/Ohio Bear/CALumbus Bear on this one. What’s the diff?
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Apologies if I offended u. Pls explain cuz I haven’t kept track of everyone’s profession just yet.
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Only when they are recruits. Once they start posting at CGB full time, his focus shifts to the up and coming posters.
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Speaking of which, how is rollonyoubears?
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The diff between felony and misdemeanor?
Big difference. Generally, felonies are punishable with prison time. Misdemeanors carry much shorter sentences and are served in jails rather than penitentiaries. Plus, it’s not uncommon for misdemeanors to carry no jail time.
Masoli’s crime was a felony, I’m guessing, because of either (1) the “burglary” aspect of the crime (i.e., he was charged with entering a dwelling with intent to commit a theft offense therein), (2) the value of whatever he stole (laptop?), or (3) both of the above. Burglaries are generally (if not always) felonies. Not all theft offenses are felonies.
From what I’ve read, LMJ committed a domestic violence offense. Not uncommon for those to be misdemeanors. Many carry no jail time, so the fact that LMJ was sentenced to jail time (albeit not servied) means that this was considered on the more “serious” end of the DV spectrum. (Did he have prior offenses? Cuz that might be a factor in the punishment.)
Blount was never charged with a crime. So his situation isn’t an apples to apples comparison.
I am a Vereenian.
Blount wasn’t charged with any crime at all.
(You’re close: “misdemeanor”)
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You’re right. But, of course, Blount’s “entire year” suspension turned out not to be an entire year suspension.
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Lots of things bug me about the situation in Eugene, and one of the most troubling is the inconsistency in punishments.
I thought Blount’s punishment was overly severe. I think the punishments today are overly lenient, one (James’s) ridiculously so. I mean, some scrub kid got kicked off the team for shitty facebook statuses, and James misses a game?
Masoli got kicked out of high school for stealing, so this is nothing new.
What about the DUI kid Kaddu? Has anything happened w/ him yet?
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kicked off the team i think
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I’m confused too. What’s the deal here?
LMJ should’ve been suspended for the entire yr as well imo.
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I agree. I don’t see how stealing a laptop, or even lying to your coach about stealing a laptop is 12 times worse than beating up a woman.
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And Beard is only suspended for one game for getting into a brawl…
the only thing I can think of is that LMJ’s case isn’t as cut and dry as Masoli’s, there is a lot of unknowns and gray areas when it comes to a situation that only involves two people and its word against word… With Masoli, his fingerprints are on the stolen property… he help steal that property… Is it right? I don’t think so… But just offering potential reasoning
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Beard— wasn’t he like severely beaten and in intensive care after that incident? from the newsclippings, it seemed like he was jumped. Maybe i’m wrong.
LMJ— Agree with you 81. But I can see that there may be gray areas also.
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Its unclear how the fight started, but two f UO’s kickers were involved and you know what happens when kickers get into places with lots of contact…
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They flop around like the children of European basketball players and dead fish?
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I was going with getting kicked in the face multiple times after being knocked down, but your answer works too
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Have to review the doc to find out exactly what happened, but the leniency of Chip Kelly’s punishment makes me wish someone would kick LMJ in the gonads if he comes back after the opening game. No one should ever harass a woman to the point that she had to go to the police.
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Okay well I'll talk to myself
So am I allowed to say that the giant killer thing from ESPN says that we don’t block shots or force turnovers. Poor Jorge and Max. No love for my boys.
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Well to be honest, we don’t block all that many shot when Max is on the bench which is 80%+ of the time
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by CruzinBears on Mar 12, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay. I guess I’ve only seen the games where Amoke does some pretty cool blocking too and Jorge is pulling a Masoli all over the court.
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I’ve been quite impressed w/ Amoke the games I saw him in. Very athletic even tho he’s not contributing on offense yet. He’s just a soph right?
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On a BAM scale, how do you rate our basketball team since1997? Or is that its own separate fanpost? I know Jorge’s always your #1.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
The basketball team quite frankly is not very attractive but I would be forced to rate them above BAM as I have special love in my heart for all things Cal.
Have you seen that youtube vid Cal bears Just Dance? Jorge looks sooooooooo cute dancing. And his jeans are very stylish.
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Oh my goodness. I have a new favorite video.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
I would say our team has two (possibly three) outright hotties (BAM 8+), a bunch of averages (BAM 4.5 – 7), and a couple of sub-4s. I must admit I have not really scrutinised the full bench.
I am off to seek out the video now.
Lemme guess
BAM 8+: Jorge, Kamp, Christopher?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
rong… Zhang and Jerome
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The women are going to disagree with you.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
8+: Jorge Kamp
6-8: PC, Randle, Boykin, Knezevic, Smith
sub 6… I can’t actually write cuz that’s mean and I don’t want to go there. I love them all!
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Addicted to Quack believes the punishments are fair
Agree or disagree with them? If you have the time, let them know what you think on their site and report back!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 3:45 PM PST reply actions
My thoughts on the matter at AtQ. Duck fans not happy with me.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 3:57 PM PST reply actions
Can you paraphrase what you said? And replies? I can’t access the site.
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Was a little too provacative with this
LaMichael James should’ve been suspended for more than a game
Sorry, but his crime is on par with Masoli’s. Lying to your coach isn’t a ten game plus penalty. Three games, maybe four would’ve been acceptable.
Instead of punished both, Kelly sacrificed one to save his team’s chances at next year. Typical college coaching behavior.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, this site is very open to outside input.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
How About This
Masoli stole a computer and lied about it to his coach. LMJ was charged with a violent offense against a woman. Who gets the one game suspension?
In my book, if you’re a coach trying to “build character”, James is the one who needs the real suspension.
Here is the sentencing memo for LaMichael James, for the legal people here (PDF).
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 3:59 PM PST reply actions
Executive summary
James was with lady friend (red flag. red flag.). Girlfriend came to confront him. Lady friend was alarmed and didn’t let her in James’s house. James arrives, told gf to leave, argument ensues, James drags gf from residence to car, gf breaks James necklace, James grabs gf by neck, gf takes James’s keys from his car, James takes keys away.
Thoughts legal people?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Two hotheaded people act out physically. One of them happens to be an all-american running back much more capable of inflicting physical damage.
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I still think that a man, especially as you point out a very strong and well-conditioned athlete, putting his hands on a woman in violence is worse than stealing a laptop or even lying about stealing a laptop. But certainly, what James did could have been worse. He apparently inflicted no serious injuries. Maybe the new motto of the University of Oregon could be:
“Hey, it could have been worse!” or
“Hey, at least he didn’t maim her!”
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by CalBear81 on Mar 12, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
James drags gf from residence to car
This doesn’t sound good. What part of his gf was LMJ grabbin’ onto?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Avinash,
Your “Executive Summary”. Its factually incorrect and flat out slanderous. I expected a lot more out of you.
Executive summary
You’re doing a disservice to your readers, and your blog by posting this summary.
First of all: He never grab her by the neck. It was by the collar. I’m not excusing James’ actions, but I think there is a pretty big difference between the two.
The difference between getting the facts right and wrong in this case can greatly impact the national image of both James and his (ex?)girlfriend.
Second of all, the order of events is like this:
Girlfriend comes over.
James has a different girl over at his apartment whom refuses to open the door.
Different girl is alarmed and calls over James.
James comes over and tells girlfriend to leave.
Girlfriend refuses.
James physically removes girlfriend from he area around his door by her arm.
She tells him to let go, and he refuses.
So she grabs his necklace and refuses to let go of it until he lets go of her arm.
They scuffle and the necklace breaks.
James grabs girlfriend by her COLLAR and pushes her against the car.
Girlfriend gets into James’ car and removes his keys.
James tries to pull girlfriend out of the car.
Girlfriend runs off with the keys.
James catches girlfriend by her waist.
Both fall down into barkdust.
James takes his keys from girlfriend.
If any of you question me because I’m a “Duck Fan”, read the PDF entirely for yourself.
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I see no difference between the two.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
I think that’s a big fucking difference. Let me grab you by the collar and then grab you by the neck, and see which you prefer or if you think there is a difference.
Neither are acceptable. I’m not here to defend James’ actions, nor defend Kelly’s punishment, nor the state’s punishment.
I just think visually, and physically there is a MAJOR difference.
its spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-O-B-L-I-G-A-T-E-D-T-O-D-O-I-T"
You would do neither, as your arm would be hanging awkwardly from your socket if you reached for said areas.
I don’t believe the difference is very big; both reactions by James are equally bad and he should’ve been handed a much deeper punishment (I’d say five, six games at most.). You seem to disagree.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
You disagree, whatever. The main problem I have with your comment is this over at ATQ:
Instead of punished both, Kelly sacrificed one to save his team’s chances at next year. Typical college coaching behavior.
I understand you may disagree with the punishment, but you don’t know the people or young man involved. I don’t think that it’s fair to question the integrity of the decision making involved. These comments (and the attitude that’s come along with your other comments) simply look petty.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I think it’s fair since your coach has already shown himself to be a lenient punisher before. Perhaps it’ll be different from now and and there’ll be no incidents, but it’s fair to question the amount of institutional control Kelly has at Eugene considering what’s happened since he took over.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Lenient punisher? Really? Even after he shortened Blount’s suspension, he served an 8 game suspension. The NCAA rule for fighting on the field is one game. That is not lenient.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
You would do neither, as your arm would be hanging awkwardly from your socket if you reached for said areas.
Did you really just throw around some “internet tough guy” motif? Just to make it clear, I wasn’t actually trying to threaten you with physical violence. That’s not my style. I was trying to give some illustration. I did so poorly.
I’m not defending anything. Maybe I disagree with what you think is a reasonable punishment, but that’s not my point of discussion here. My point of discussion is that I believe you are accusing James of some pretty serious strangulation. You’ve demonstrated both here and on AtQ that you’re not discussing this objectively, so continuing any debate with you on this is pointless. I guess I could only hope for so much objectivity from a different Pac-10 blogger (Which in regards to CGB, I have seen better)
I stand by my statement that you’re being slanderous. Reading the reactions of some here reinforces my opinion on that. The slander isn’t going to have any impact, but I think you sensationalized it enough to a point of defamation.
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It was a joke. It seems it eluded you.
I’m accusing James of violence against women. You seem to have taken words out of context and argue a purely semantical issue, when the overaching point is that James committed violent (or if you want me to be milder, ‘aggressive’) acts against a woman. Hell he pled guilty to it, so we know it’s true to a degree. And I believe he should be punished just as severely as Masoii.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Have to disagree with you here, Avinash
You and JShufelt seem to be arguing about different things. I don’t think any of the AtQ guys are taking offense (not agreeing with, rather) to your take on whether the punishment was justified; instead, they think you could’ve summarized the circumstances better.
To simply say that James committed violence or aggressive acts against his girlfriend and that’s all that matters would be to ignore the circumstances, which plays a large role in how people view James actions. Furthermore, by not presenting the circumstances in your summary as accurately as possible, people’s judgement can be clouded.
That would be HOT.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see a big enough difference between grabbing a woman by her clothes and by her neck to downplay this incident. That’s still a violent action against a woman. Period.
To be clear, even in your statement of events, James initiates every physical attack against the woman. If so, that’s not acceptable. It’s not acceptable to grab a woman just because she has keys. It’s not acceptable to push the woman against the car. It’s not acceptable to pull a woman out of a car. There’s a reason why “the [Oregon] Abuse Prevention Act requires immediate arrest in circumstances such as these.”
And it’s not acceptable that James is supposed to have a one game suspension and we’re all supposed to just move on and accept that this is just a minor offense.
Out of curiosity
How clearly would you be thinking if, say you were James’ age, your girlfriend showed up to your place, scared a guest, called you over from whatever you were doing, refused to leave, broke your necklace as you tried to pull her away, made you chase her out of your car, and stole your car keys?
I’m not saying James is not to blame here, but it’s not as if he wasn’t baited to some degree.
I don’t see a big enough difference between grabbing a woman by her clothes and by her neck to downplay this incident. That’s still a violent action against a woman. Period.
Also, grabbing by the neck implies intent to harm by choking. Grabbing by the collar does not have the same implication. The latter is still a violent act, but the degree of which is much less than the former. Neither are condoneable, but one obviously requires harsher punishment than the other.
Chris Rock also has a humorous take on the matter, actually quite relevant, if anyone’s interested.
Dignifying This With A Response
I’m only going to say that “he was young, and she had it coming” isn’t really a valid defense to domestic violence.
You didin't comprehend my post: I'm not defending domestic violence
Nowhere in my post did I say that James doesn’t deserve punishment. But lumping all forms of offenses together in a single category is narrowminded. Let’s be fair here, LaMichael James didn’t beat up his girlfriend, nor did he leave her untouched.
To say my summary is slanderous is laughable. Are you telling me grabbing a girl by the neck of her clothes is a hundred or a thousand times better than grabbing her by the neck?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe not a hundred, but significantly, yes.
With your summary, I get imagery of someone pushing another with his hand around her neck effectively restricting air flow.
With the collar, I get imagery of someone grabbing someone by their clothes and pushing against their collar bone.
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If someone distorted the facts in any of the incidents Marshawn was involved in
I’m quite positive we’d be as defensive as JShufelt. That being said, I don’t think he’s overreacting, either.
For the record, I agree with both of you. Any sort of domestic violence or abuse against men or women is not condone-able. However, I can’t equate grabbing someone by the collar and pushing them against some surface with choking someone. The latter involves the threat of death while the former does not. This difference is not subtle at all and makes a marked difference in how LMJ is portrayed.
I’m a woman. I can’t imagine I would go onto other school’s sites to defend a Cal player who mistreated women, regardless of the technicalities. And frankly, how “LMJ” is portrayed couldn’t be of less interest to me.
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This is a weird line of discussion.
I realize you’re a woman, but I don’t see how that changes anything.
Let’s look at what’s transpired:
1. Mistreatment of women is flat out wrong. Neither sex should find this more offensive than the other.
2. JShufelt was not defending LMJ’s mistreatment of his girlfriend.
3. JShufelt is pointing out that there’s a difference between choking someone and grabbing their collar.
Avinash didn’t present the facts clearly, so I think JShufelt is fully within his rights to point out that Avinash is wrong. Furthermore, shouldn’t the severity of punishment fit the severity of the crime? Look at it this way, who would you think less of, a pick pocket or a bank robber?
You seemed to be saying that we – Cal fans – would be doing what JShufelt is doing if it were a Cal player involved – going onto other school’s sites to argue the details. I am saying that I would not.
And to answer your question: without knowing any other details, I would think less of a bank robber, because the definition of “robbery” requires the use of violence or the threat of violence, while picking a pocket does not. Here, James used violence, Masoli did not. Therefore, I think less of James and think he deserves the greater punishment.
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You seemed to be saying that we – Cal fans – would be doing what JShufelt is doing if it were a Cal player involved – going onto other school’s sites to argue the details. I am saying that I would not.
Fair enough.
I would think less of a bank robber, because the definition of "robbery" requires the use of violence or the threat of violence, while picking a pocket does not.
Poor choice of subjects to compare, on my part. To try and get at my original point, would you say degree of violence does not matter in any crime, then? That any degree of violence should be condemned/judged in the same manner?
by BleedinBlue on Mar 12, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
To clarify that last bit
I think I understand your argument that James deserves a more severe punishment than Masoli, but I wasn’t trying to address this, and it’s a whole ’nother can of worms.
Instead, I was trying to point out that, had James actually choked his girlfriend, the punishment would’ve been more severe and, I think, rightfully so. This implies that crimes of the same type can vary in severity, and I don’t think it’s right to lump perpetrators of the same type of crime but of varying severity into the same category.
by BleedinBlue on Mar 12, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
You seemed to be saying that we – Cal fans – would be doing what JShufelt is doing if it were a Cal player involved – going onto other school’s sites to argue the details. I am saying that I would not.
I’ve been a part of CGB for quite a while. I enjoy the blogging and the community here a lot. So rest assured that I’m not coming over here just to troll or start an argument.
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To say my summary is slanderous is laughable. Are you telling me grabbing a girl by the neck of her clothes is a hundred or a thousand times better than grabbing her by the neck?
Dude, I can’t believe you are going to make me stick up for Oregon fans. I hate Oregon more than most here, but what you stated was something else aside from what was in that PDF. Grabbing somebody by the collar is different than grabbing a person by their neck. If you don’t believe there’s a difference, go have a football player grab your collar/collarbone and then have him grab your neck. You will see the difference then.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Mar 12, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
What I the latest news on NCAA investigation on U$C? Rr they punish for anything
by zachahuy on Mar 12, 2010 8:52 PM PST via mobile reply actions
NCAA typically takes 6-8 wks to make a decision. Since U$C-NCAA met last month, i’d prob expect a decision sometime around april/may.
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I believe I was too harsh on the Ducks earlier
I apologize for my conduct. It won’t happen again.
Until Masoli’s sentence gets reduced.
Hey-yo!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 12, 2010 11:42 PM PST reply actions
IMHO, Masoli’s punishment from Kelly is laughable. You can pretty much equate it to him being injured, taking a redshirt year, and then playing again the next year. So he sits out and misses a full year, but he still has the opportunity to play for Oregon. Imagine how many of us people in the real world – if we are convicted of a misdemeanor/felony. How many of us would be lucky enough to sit out of our jobs and then be eligible to come back in a year? I bet the answer is close to zero. This is where I don’t agree with the Masoli suspension. It’s a slap on the wrist in a way.
With James, I’m a bit more understanding. IMHO, his problem was that he’s young, stupid, didn’t know how to handle the situation, and reacted out of anger. (And since this was a different woman from the GF he was in a relationship with, we can’t even begin to speculate about his faithfulness) If he had done this multiple times, then yes, throw the book at him. But from what I have gathered, the dude just lost his cool and had no prior history (I may be wrong). How many of us have lost our cool and done something we regret the next day? His actions weren’t premeditated (like Masoli’s from what I have read), so they are a bit more forgivable in my book. Do I condone men laying a hand on women when they piss him off? Absolutely not. But there are times when emotions get the best of us, and we do make mistakes. I kind of sense that’s what happened to James. The 1 game suspension is laughable. It should have been multiple games at the least.
IMHO, the difference between what Masoli and James did, despite them both being in the wrong, is the intention behind it. From what I have gathered, Masoli committed his act intentionally. James was heat of the moment. Think about it this way. What’s worse: If your best friend screws your girlfriend because they both got extremely drunk one night and hormones took over OR if you best friend screwed your girlfriend because he had planned to do so for a period of time? Both scenarios are not right, but the intent is very different.
I think Kelly is walking on eggshells right now. I somewhat agree with his punishments, but not entirely. ON the bright side, I’m looking forward to all the jokes that are going to be rolling Oregon’s way this year. :)
Sounds about right. Get the Duck jokes rolling!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Mar 13, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Personally, I don’t see Masoli winning the starting job in 2011. Kelly probably didn’t kick him off the team because he thinks he has better resources to try and get help for Masoli – and to let him finish up his degree.
His best chance is if Nate Costa wins the job over Darron Thomas. There’s also a chance that Masoli will transfer. Everything at this point is speculation regarding that.
My own personal and knee-jerk reaction is that Masoli should have been kicked off the team. I’m not entirely sure if my opinion has changed.
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duck walks into a bar...
I find this discussion completely intriguing. And I agree, Masoli’s punishment is light.
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