DBD 2.5.10
by carp on Feb 5, 2010 7:14 AM PST
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PrintEnter links and pointless innanity below VVV.
Couple of Fanposts worth reading:
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2010/2/4/1296429/wunderkind-qb-to-become-the-next
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2010/2/5/1296531/tedfords-early-recruiting-classes
KenCraw on 'incredible' recruiting class:
http://excusemeformyvoice.com/blog/
Zona hires Oline coach to be new OC:
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/7755/arizona-promotes-from-within-to-fill-coordinator-voids
Official stories to follow.
The opinions expressed in a FanPost are, in every way, reflective of the opinions of every California Golden Blogs Marshawnthusiast. Moreover, they are reflective of every employee of SBNation, including Tyler "Blez" Bleszinski.
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Easily Bestest…
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Check out “Avanish” his big break:
The link is the official Cal signing day site. All the other links there are to “legit” media outlets.
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by TwistNHook on Feb 5, 2010 7:57 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Avi is significantly more legit than Zennie62, even it Zennie 62 has the official sfgate approval.
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I have no clue who Zennie62 is, but they are associated with the Chron apparently.
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The chron tried to get on the blogging bandwagon by signing up a bunch of random bay area people to write stuff whenever they feel like it. Zennie is a ‘new media’ guy who writes a bunch of crap about celebrity rumors and meaningless twitter blather with no actual analysis. He’s a rumor mongerer.
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Hmmm, maybe he has more info into whether Tedford did or did not offer that high school coach a job.
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think we should report this to the webmaster there?
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
I’m not greedy. I’ll take what I can get!
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Boy, you’re some help.
Email: bearsnecessities@gmail.com
by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 5, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Womens Soccer gets 10 recruits:
BERKELEY – The perennially successful California women’s soccer program has signed 10 talented recruits to National Letters of Intent, head coach Neil McGuire announced Thursday. Kate Bennett, Genessee Daughetee, Mekenna deBack, Kaitlyn Fitzpatrick, Emily Kruger, Emi Lawson, Grace Leer, Rachel Mercik, Kathleen Messinger and Bronwyn Studman will all be joining the Golden Bears in fall 2010. The players – who range from California natives to Washington products to an Aussie – bring a wide array of skill sets as well as national team experience.
“We believe this class continues our strong tradition of attracting some of the most talented and well-rounded student-athletes in the nation to Cal,” Cal head coach Neil McGuire said. “Our new student-athletes’ national team knowledge, combined with their leadership capabilities will make this class very dynamic and exciting to watch. Additionally, these students are well-equipped off the pitch to handle the rigors of Cal’s academics.”
The Bears finished the season at an 11-9-1 clip for the program’s sixth-consecutive winning record and the 23nd in school history. Cal went 4-5-0 in the Pac-10 to finish tied for sixth in the competitive conference. With an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament, this year’s selection marked Cal’s 17th playoff bid in program history, the 11th in the last 12 years and the sixth straight. Thanks to a 2-1 overtime win over Auburn in the opening round, the Bears advanced to the second round, in which they lost, 3-0, to host and No. 1-seeded Florida State.
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Womens BBall beats USC:
The California Golden Bear women’s basketball team pulled in key offensive rebounds late in the game to secure a 61-55 victory over the visiting USC Trojans. Freshman forward DeNesha Stallworth had her first career double-double with 14 points and 10 rebounds.
After trailing by five at the half, 28-23, Cal came charging back in the second half. After twice pulling within a point only to watch USC extend the lead back out to six, Cal mounted a third charge at the Trojan’s lead. Freshman guard Layshia Clarendon hit a three-pointer to make it a 42-39 game. Freshman forward Gennifer Brandon got an offensive board and a putback to pull within a point for the third time in the half. Clarendon got a steal to give the ball right back to the Bears. They got the ball into the hands of Brandon who was fouled driving the lane. She hit a freethrow to tie the game, 42-42. After missing the second freethrow, senior guard Natasha Vital got the offensive rebound, keeping the ball in Cal’s hands. Vital was fouled on a layup attempt, putting her at the line where she gave Cal a 44-42 advantage, and their first lead of the game, with 9:30 left on the clock.
USC managed to steal the lead back with 7:27 remaining, edging ahead 45-44 on a jumper in the paint by guard Jackie Gemelos. After a miss on Cal’s end of the floor, Bear freshman forward DeNesha Stallworth swatted away another Gemelos offering, she scooped up a rebound, feeding the ball to Alexis Gray-Lawson who ran the floor, scoring on the fast break. Senior guard Natasha Vital grabbed a steal, setting up a layup by Stallworth to give Cal a 48-45 lead with 5:48 remaining. They would never again trail in the game.
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Mens Swimming beats CSU Bakersfield:
BAKERSFIELD, CALIF. -
The No. 4-ranked Cal men’s swimming team won the meet’s first nine swimming events -including going 1-2-3 in the 200 free, 200 IM, 200 fly and 100 free – on the way to a 112-81 dual meet victory over host Cal State Bakersfield, Thursday, Feb. 4 at Hillman Aquatics Center in Bakersfield. The Golden Bears, who improved to 4-1 in dual meets this season, swam the final three events as exhibitions. Individual event winners for Cal included freshman Nick Trowbridge, who won both the 200 back (1:52.72) and the 1000 free (9:52.17).
Trowbridge is the son of former Bear standout Todd Trowbridge, who was a member of Cal’s 1982 national champion 800 free relay.
Other individual winners for the Bears were sophomore Isaac Howell in the 200 free (1:41.03), junior Alex Cushing in the 50 free (21.02), junior Martti Aljand in the 200 IM (1:51.18), sophomore Miller Douglas in the 200 fly (1:50.81) and junior Nathan Adrian in the 100 free (43.51). Cal also won the meet’s opening event, the 400 medley relay (3:23.63, senior Aaron Casey, junior Andrew Godbe, sophomore Robert Sullivan, freshman Tom Shields).
Sophomore Mathias Gydesen swam a season-best 1:51.79 in the 200 fly to place second.
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I think you should do it Monday. Give us something to look forward to for a Monday.
I am a Vereenian.
I think you should do it Monday. Give us somethingto look forward tofor a Monday.
Quantity AND quantity!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 5, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If you’re looking for someone to complete the job of managing California into the ground, Carly Fiorina is surely a good candidate to get started.
But she’s got business experience OMG LOL just like Meg Whitman! she’ll save California by firing state employees and cutting taxes and shooting illegal immigrants!111
That’s so inefficient. Why can’t we make state employees shoot illegal immigrants, THEN fire them?
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Dude, you should call the Whitman campaign, they’ll probably hire you as a consultant for suggesting that (she’s spent $12 million on consultants in the last year – but she’s a political outsider, right?).
Staffers = political people you know = insiders!
Consultants = political people you don’t know with average to poor track records in winning elections because they get paid either way = outsider regular folks!
Nah, people talk plenty of shit about consultants too. Remember, the stereotype is that staffers are overpaid and lazy, and consultants are overpaid and manipulative partisan hacks. Of course, presumably consultants are also lazy and staffers are also partisan hacks, so I’m not really sure how the stereotype works.
Meanwhile, the people doing the stereotyping can barely get off their ass to vote once every 4 years…heh.
Staffers
Often get their jobs by working for months insane 80 hour weeks campaigning, only to end up working 60 hour weeks for better pay IF their candidate wins. I know, I’ve done it. (well the campaigning part, not the staffer bit)
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Yes. Not the best, but certainly the greatest.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
I desperately want to see footage of the poor moron who played the man-sheep with the red eyes trying to shoot his scene.
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more Football + Politics
Planned Parenthood has released a response ad to Tim Tebow’s superbowl message. Watch Here
Planned Parenthood has released a web spot featuring former college and professional football player Sean James and Olympic gold medalist Al Joyner in response to the ‘Focus on the Family’ Tim Tebow Super Bowl ad.
Basic message – we respect the Tebow family decision and will work to ensure that our smart, capable, great mothers/daughters/sisters have the ability to make this decision for themselves.
Ragnarok: Great Man or Greatest Man?
All of the people upset with the ad have made the classic mistake of giving the ad tons of free publicity by constantly complaining about it.
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yea… I think this is a very well done ad, the message is RIGHT on. But that probably means it will be watched much much less than the other.
Ragnarok: Great Man or Greatest Man?
I find the ad’s message obnoxious but have no problem with the ad itself being aired (except insofar as CBS has a double-standard when it comes to political ads).
I find your message obnoxious and have MANY a problem with your new CBS sitcom being aired!
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And carp would be the wacky neighbor. Hed PSoCY the shit out of them!
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Slow morning. Let’s get this party started with one of the most controversial questions of our day, easily likely to stem many an internet fight:
Chicken OR Waffles?
Go!
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Oh man I’ve always wanted to go there but never had an opportunity to do so :(
In other words, Go Bears!
California has all the best food :(
I’ve been looking for an Indian restaurant that’s at least half as decent as ones in the Bay Area and I haven’t found any. Good Seattle food sucks.
In other words, Go Bears!
I thought “Good” made sense, too. As in, it’s “good” for Seattle but sucks in reality.
I am a Vereenian.
This is true. I may move to Seattle once my lease is up. Only problem is the commute.
I hate living in an area where I’m surrounded by families (and some F.O.B.s).
In other words, Go Bears!
No I don’t hate families.
It just feels odd to be a 21 year old living in a community full of young parents and their little kids.
I want to live in a college town again
In other words, Go Bears!
err oh, looks like you’re gonna have to knock someone up, get a family, and get more posters for CGB
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You’re a Berkeley grad with a US citizenship and a job as Microsoft. I’m sure your parents will find you a nice Southie girl to sit at home and make whatever southie food you enjoy.
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Arranged Marriage Fight!!!!!
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Buy Kolwave and I plane tickets and we’ll fly up and make Indian food for you.
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Be careful what you offer …
I don’t really enjoy cooking, apart from occasional impulses. However, said impulses are usually accompanied by creative experiments: I wonder what else I can put in this!
Case in point, which the Indians might appreciate (and I mean understand, not actually, you know, applaud):
Cholar dal is usually flavored with 5-spice, cinnamon, cardamom, and coconut. I put in everything but coconut, which I didn’t have, and then lapsed into ADD mode and also put in mustard greens, carrots, peas, sardines (… I was in Bong fish withdrawal …) and then chicken, because 1 tin of sardines hardly holds anything. I’d already baked the chicken separately with tumeric and maple syrup. See … I never know when to stop throwing ingredients into the pot.
Anyway, it came out surprisingly tasty, considering the laundry list. But don’t worry RR, I usually lay off the weirder experimental combinations when cooking for friends, and AndBears and Rags will both vouch that (considering I’m their token Indian friend :-)) I do a decent job of repping the cuisine.
Another Indian? Really?
That sounds like it would taste good but my brain would be confused by the ingredients I was eating.
I know, so many of us. I know we own Berkeley and all, but it’s gotta be statistically pretty unlikely that 33% of the commenters on this site would be somehow subcontinental.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Chicken and waffles, hold the waffles.
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
V-necks and suspenders?
Mutually agreed: don’t be hatin’?
(Except I’ll continue to judge you). win! :-)
holy shit, thats a great idea. Ive never combined a deep v with suspenders. Maybe a scoopneck. Thanks for the great idea!
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I thought that was a combo he’d already tried, actually.
Favorite Twist item: the Jackson Pollock shirt. I like the paint job, I really do.
Most disturbing outfit: scoopneck, attendant chest hair, and questionably dyed jeans, all of which he attempted to justify because he bought them in India and therefore I was supposed to go MY PEOPLE! and hug him or something
by kolwave on Feb 5, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Dude, I love Naan N Curry. Its so realistic, insomuch that its so dirty that it reminds me of actually being in India.
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I love Naan N Curry too. But mostly because it’s open when I get out of the bars and am just happy there’s an Indian food place still open. Also, the wonderful scent that results of sitting in there for an hour that I’m willing to tolerate because I’m intoxicated.
They should really consider having a late Saturday night buffet.
Go Bruins!
Naan N Curry isn’t fantastic quality, but it’s pretty good for the price. Also, their Indian tea is awesome.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
You have admitted in the past that you prefer Indian food that doesn’t taste like Indian food, so your judgment is somewhat suspect.
IIRC, what I said is that Im not so good with the really, really hot stuff. Its made me throw up before. :(. I have a weak stomach.
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You gotta build up your tolerance, man. Spice is the spice of life!
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Thats why I like Thai food. It has a lot of great spices, but I dont feel like it is as hot.
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No, I actually (gasp) agree with Spazzy, it’s like you lack basic comprehension skills.
Spiciness is determined by the ingredients cooks add to their food. Whether that entails cooking something into a curry or pouring sauce on top, it’s functionally the same thing – no cuisine is inherently more spicy than another.
What about hot links??
It’s in the freaking name!
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
But you don’t typically come across a large piece of steak that’s been heavily spiced – it’s not the typical mode of preparation.
When did you turn into royrules?
Twist said that Thai food is not as spicy as Indian food; my point was that food is as spicy or non-spicy as you make it.
But it’s an absurd point without context. I could make lucky charms vindaloo, but I wouldn’t and neither would anyone else. So Twist may not be correct in a narrow pedantic sense, but he’s not saying anything out of line for what you would find in most places in the US.
Disagree, I don’t think the average Indian place is necessarily spicier than the average Thai place, particularly insofar as they are presumably both catering to the same consumers, who would have the same threshold for spiciness tolerance.
This
Thai food is some of the hottest food in the world, if they cook it right.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
(Cool story Hansel coming up)
My freshman year, there was a second Thai place in the Asian Ghetto that is now a bubble tea joint.
I went in there once late at night and ordered Pad Thai, along with my dorm floor. The owner asked me how spicy I wanted it on a scale of one to twenty. Being Indian and being Rishi, I enthusiastically responded “TWENTY!”. The owner said I’d regret it, but I can never back down from a challenge.
Let’s just say, my mouth was on fire, my throat was burning, and it didn’t quite settle well.
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Oooh, Satay House?? I LOVED that place. Their spiciness index was awesome
1-5: Mild
6-10: Hot
10-15: Very Hot
15-20: Killing Hot
I usually averaged about 14-17. Sometimes it would so hot that it would make me reflexively hiccup as I tried to eat it. It was more of a challenge than a normal satiating type of experience, but it was satisfying in its own way.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Yes! I remember that!
The 20 was pure challenge, but I emerged victorious! (Partially).
It was the second stupidest spice-eating thing I’ve done, next to eating habanero peppers whole.
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I once ate some vicious Mayan pepper from South America in 4th grade. I was at the drinking fountain for an hour.
Also high on the list is the crazy hot salsa at Tacqueria Cancun in the Mission.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Ive found that bread helps with the hotness. I think thats why chapati exists.
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Also, adding sugar.
For whatever reason, something skipped me in my family, such that whenever I eat spicy food, I start sweating more than I really should. Once I found out that adding a bit sugar to whatever was spicy helped, family meals got much more bearable.
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Overrated, perhaps. Spicy? Definitely.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Thai Basil? Always liked that place.
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now we know you’re white, or some white-filled ethnicity.
1.) order a spicy thai dish
2.) order it “hot”
3.) stare at the waiter when they kind of go “hahah..ok”
4.) double-check
5.) that shit will blow your mind
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Dude, I’m the whitest white to ever white. Nobody has ever been whiter than me. I’m literally wearing a suit right now, while writing this.
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thai cuisine can be hotter than just about anything else.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
us white ppl just are.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Being white is awesome! High five!
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have an indigenous person to oppress. Tally ho!
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I’m a total WASP on one side — Massachusetts Bay Colony 1635. But the other side is all Catholics from Croatia and Ireland. It’s confusing.
Snobby Chick - Senior Division
Oh no. You actually had to have ancestors on the Mayflower (1619) for that. Those who arrived as late as 1635 are considered riff-raff.
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One of the mods might have ancestors on the Mayflower, Im struggling to remember 100%. If it isnt the Mayflower, its like the next one. Like they were standby on the Mayflower, but couldnt make it.
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That is not repeatable on this board.
Quantity AND quantity!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 5, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The missus is descended from Mayflower types, inter alia, on her father’s side of the family. More of the eastern European Jews on her mother’s side of the family; quite the melting pot experience by comparison to my family.
My wife is jewish, we think it would be hilarious if our hypothetical, technically jewish, daughter joins the DAR.
You’re Scottish…you were just higher up the oppression ladder than the rest of us.
I read an interesting article once about the British (Imperial) military’s hierarchy of races: the Australians/New Zealanders were cannon fodder, the Indians were lesser cannon fodder, and the Africans weren’t even allowed to fight.
Well, you can sit around and be oppressed by a bunch of foppish, overbite-having, shirt-lifting chancers, or you can go and take it out on everyone else.
Apparently the British in India had a category of martial races versus non-martial races for recruiting. I think what you mentioned was the later evolution where they just were honest about their bias.
It’s my understanding that, for example the Sikh regiments had the highest number of Victoria Crosses per capita of any part of the British Army. Indians fought quite valiantly.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose it depends on the “”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Victoria_Cross_recipients_by_nationality" target="new">per capita" part – because (over a longer period of time) the Scottish list was pretty long, and there’s never been that many of us…
Well, Indians weren’t eligible for the VC until right before WWI. But yes, they fought in all theatres of WWI and WWII, as well as places like Afghanistan and South-east Asia prior to that.
I ordered the Lemongrass Chicken at Osha once. I got through it but I totally heard the waitresses giggling at how often I asked for more water.
Ha! That was when I ran that 5K and then went to watch the ASU game with you guys. I think my stomach was already upset from the run, then I immediately ate a giant hamburger from Manny’s nee Raleigh’s. I spent most of the first half in the bathroom.
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oh god, how could I forget his ass crack. I never did write a DBD about that.
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by TwistNHook on Feb 5, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Naan N’Curry is terrible.
In Berkeley I was always a fan of Biriyani House (on Shattuck and Univ) and for Southside I always liked House of Curries.
In San Jose I’ve had a lot of different ones and I don’t really remember the names. I just follow my parents.
In other words, Go Bears!
Breasts of India?
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Someone needs to go back through Fire Starkey’s 2214 posts and see if there’s even one that does not contain one of the following:
a)A sexual reference
b)A desire to wreak vengeance upon one Joseph Starkey
c)A lament on the travails of marriage
What if he had gotten married to Joe Starkey and hated it so much that he made a sexual reference.
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Dude, you forgot my hatred of Alamar, Bob Gregory and Kevin Riley, my soccer posts and my awesomelybaddatingadvice.com adverts.
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
No worries, I just don’t want to be labeled as one dimensional or anything. I’m clearly at least six dimensional.
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
This reminds me of a friend who once explained to me that he had six interests in life: women, sports, alcohol, women, alcohol, and alcohol.
I agree with this 104%.
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
My ex-boss once told he when he was young he spent 80% of his money on women and alcohol. He wasted the rest.
Tug McGraw also said something similar after signing a new contract:
“Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish Whiskey. The other ten percent I’ll probably waste.”
I am a Vereenian.
Thats my 7th dimension!
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
London has amazing Indian food. I thought it decent in the bay area, but favoured Italian and Mexican more. Not so in London, its delicious. It tends to be a bit sweeter than its Californian counterparts.
London has a thriving Indian community. But if we’re going to say which country has the best it has to be India ;)
In other words, Go Bears!
This summer I walked from Tower bridge southeast to Kidbrooke…. it was all indian for a good 2 miles…. then turned Jamaican. then west african… then indian again… it was kind of cool
My heart skips a beat every time I hear the band strike up 'Our Sturdy Golden Bear'.
Is it true that Indian food is the drunk after-bar food of London, much like Mexican food/pizza is for us?
Depends where you go out at night. If you go out in Soho, there is a diversity of late-night drunken options. Camden has late-night Kebab places. Brixton has afro-carribbean food. Or, if you are a wannabe hipster and going out in East London, Brick Lane fills the void with a shitload of Indian food.
I think I’ve eaten Mexican food in the city once when drunk…
Even when I’ve partied in the mission. Something about downing a burrito before sleeping doesn’t settle with me.
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Oh, I bet you’ve downed plenty of burritos before sleeping…if you know what I mean.
by HolmoePhobe on Feb 5, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Holmoephobe thinks about penises (penii?) when he eats burritos, which is why he enjoys taquerias in the mission every weekend.
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“Penii” is not a word, but either “penises” or “penes” is acceptable as a plural form of penis, I believe.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
“Both” meaning penises and penes, right? I’m remain firm that Penii is not an actual word.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
best drunk food is doner/shwarma. i ate that probably a thousand times after a night of drinking in germany. there’s a turkish place in berkeley that serves it, but they don’t get all the good stuff in it like msg, other additives, and cheap meat. just not the same.
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I don’t like my Indian food sweet at ALL. Which kinda sucks sometimes because I’m Gujarati.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Yea I don’t like sweet Indian food unless we’re talking about deserts.
BTW have you seen 4 Idiots? They had a joke there about how all Gujarati food sounds likes bombs
In other words, Go Bears!
Yeah, desserts are good, but keep the sugar out of my vegetables!
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
And no, I haven’t seen it yet… Is it good?
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
This isn’t a new revelation, but yes.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Can’t we just pretend that we already did the whole thing where we all act like our region of India is better than each other’s? I feel like we’ve been through this before.
I think we’ve already established that I’m a terrible desi. My Indian-ness extends to liking Indian food and cricket, and that’s about it.
So am I. I’m a self-hating Indian. Love the food, family and cricket but dislike a lot of other things. Rishi is more of a Desi than I am. And I was born in India!
In other words, Go Bears!
Why would you be self-hating, that’s just silly. I don’t care one way or another, defining yourself by your ethnicity is kinda ridiculous.
It’s a damn shame we are, as a people, so self-hating, when we are clearly way awesome. Yeah, we have a lot to dislike about ourselves too, but so does everyone.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
You must be perpetually aroused when you come on CGB then.
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by norcalnick on Feb 5, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s just that a lot of Indian behaviors and actions piss the fuck out of me. I may have been like that when I moved here but I hope I’m not like that anymore.
In other words, Go Bears!
Is that what happens when you drink too much and the dreaded “whiskey dick” strikes?
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
See!?! See!?!
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
ty ty, I’ll be here all week
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Like which behaviors/actions, for example?
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
The accent, (this is primarily a Tamil thing) repeating what you said in Tamil in English, “you say”, “bhai”, saris in public, parents taking an entire years worth of vacation so they can torture their kid so that he/she can do well in their 10 “standard” entrance exam, etc
In other words, Go Bears!
How dare people speak with an accent! It’s like…English is their second language or something. Outrageous!
I don’t like the Indian accent. It’s probably got something to do with the years of humiliation I suffered in elementary/middle school for having one.
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Dude, I LOVE the accent. Being able to do the accent with impunity is like, my favorite thing about being Indian :)
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I was born in the USA so I have to try to do it.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Look, I’m going to break this to you gently — there is a reason 95% of actors and actresses in Bollywood are not from South India.
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Allah al Akbar, dude. Allah al Akbar.
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Well, there’s definitely rampant color-ism in India, even if it’s not technically “racism”. Though it kind of is racism, if you consider it to be a largely Aryan/Dravidian distinction.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Eh, even fairer skinned actors and actresses from the south have trouble making it, while a darker Bipasha Basu from Bengal makes it…
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Absolutely no doubt about that.
But the reason South Indian actors and actresses rarely make it in Bollywood is because, well, as racist as it is, the Bollywood-viewing audience doesn’t find them attractive enough.
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Of course it’s worse in India. I don’t think that was ever in doubt.
But at a certain point, where do you draw the line between letting market forces drive supply vs racism?
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The point at which Al Sharpton calls to be annoying. I guess South India has yet to find it’s Al Sharpton.
Quantity AND quantity!
Its not that dissimilar from other places, I suppose. In college, I was friends with a guy from Milan and one night during an extended bout of alcoholic intake, I mentioned something about Naples.
He scowled, muttered “Africans” under his breath and changed the subject. I had it confirmed that northern Italians consider Italians from south of Rome to be little more than Arabs.
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Dude India is the only place where a product called “Fair and Lovely” which promises to make your skin “fairer” (i.e. white) is such a hit.
In other words, Go Bears!
That Jersey Shore: Uttar Pradesh would be poorly received?
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Actually America tends to be more accepting of lighter skinned African Americans as a general rule (See Tyra Banks)
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I am hardly an expert on this but isn’t there an extremely detailed breakdown of color tones among African Americans and that color tone can be extremely important within their own demographic?
I’m speaking off of a faint memory so if I am completely off base, someone feel free to slap me.
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m no expert either but the sense I’ve gotten is there’s a very soft prejudice in preference of lighter skin and hair tones.
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I don’t think it’s all that soft. I’ve seen many people make statements that were, if not exactly self-conscious, nonetheless quite overt.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Not true
Well, maybe that specific product name, but I spent 5 months in Beijing, and let me tell you, the shelves of the beauty product aisles are absolutely STACKED with skin bleaching and whitening products, and they advertise them on TV very frequently. Someone has to be using them. People in China are obsessed with being taller and fairer.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Because Bollywood is Hindi? You do realize that are a lot of other *wood industries in India right? The one that produces the most movies is Mollywood, the Kerala one. Also he disagrees on the point that there are no talented actors in South India. He’s won numerous awards both internationally and nationally.
In other words, Go Bears!
It’s clearly because not everyone in the South wants to act in Hindi movies. It maybe true for Tamilians, but they are weird.
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Okay, you know nothing about film industries, so I’ll break this out for you:
The only film industry in India that comes close to Bollywood is the Tamil film industry. Mohanlal from Mollywood is an amazing actor, but he’s mostly the exception. Mollywood films rarely make it outside the region, while Bollywood films cover the entire country. Naturally, it makes sense that Bollywood is the ultimate goal for an Indian actor…
Mohanlal has tried acting in Hindi films. The most successful recent actors in Tamil Film Industry have been Kamal Hassan and Madhavan and both of them bolted at the opportunity to act in Hindi films.
Comprehend?
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Can you explain it to me like I give a fuck?
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by TwistNHook on Feb 5, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but you assume everyone wants to act in Bollywood/Hindi movies. Not the case. At least not in Mollywood.
And yes Mollywood movies rarely make it out of the region because they’re specially written for the region and it would make no sense to anyone else. There are a few exceptions which were re-made in Hindi and Tamil (Manichitrathazu is the one that springs to mind)
In other words, Go Bears!
I agree. Manichitrathazu definitely is one that springs to my mind!
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Jealous of what exactly?
“Cuisine” consisting of lentils with sugar? Desserts that are sour? Music with the same two seconds repeated for ten minutes? Dancing that represents epilepsy? Having five last names to choose from? Being from a state that bans alcohol?
I’m missing something here.
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It’s actually not much of an oh snap, since most people would probably find Punjabi music/dancing just as silly as Gujarati.
Also, the food is really unhealthy.
Yeah, Punjabi music is so silly. It’s not like we’d ever see the day when a Punjabi song becomes a big hit in America….
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Really, becoming a hit in America is a sign of good music? I think the Jonas Brothers and Nickelback have something to say to that.
I do love the cardboard cut out of the Jonas Brothers!
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Hansel Time
My friends and I once had dinner with a cardboard cut out of Austin Powers, at Denny’s. Some other customers started hassling Austin, and the manager threw them out.
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since most people would probably find Punjabi music/dancing just as silly as Gujarati.
All I said is that people here wouldn’t find it as weird as they’d find Gujarati music and backed that up with data.
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Why do you do this?!
I think the point is simply that people don’t find Punjabi music weird, given how Punjabi songs have become popular abroad, whereas Gujarati music hasn’t. I gave you an example in America. I could give you a thousand in the UK. I can’t give you a simple example of Gujarati music that has done the same.
Khush?
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Dude, just because one genre of music is more popular than another doesn’t mean that it’s less silly. I think even a cursory glance at record sales would tell you that.
I’m pretty sure Lady Gaga outsells, say, Brahms – does that mean Brahms is silly?
Speaking of state alcohol laws...
… apparently everyone in Kerala is a total drunkard so they forbid alcohol sales on the 1st of every month (payday) so people don’t spend all their money on booze
In other words, Go Bears!
We are an intelligent, industrious, and thrifty people, if a bit overboard with our religiosity sometimes. I think we’re like the Jews of India.
Anyway, I like Punjabi food probably better than typical Gujarati food, but if you’re Punjabi, let’s not start throwing stones about repetitive music and funky dancing now. You guys do know how to party though, I’ll give you that.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I think we’re like the Jews of India.
YOU’RE PARSI!??!?!!
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Just sort of reputationally, I mean. Not literally or even figuratively. Not that it’s completely fair or accurate either way.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
You mean you’re not? I’m disappointed in you.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I'm Spanish, English, and Finnish
so…..boiled dead fish with tapas.
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It’s very different in London, but there definitely is a wider variety of Indian food available. Hell, samosas are available at your local convenience store. London is, after all, where Chicken Tikka Masala was invented.
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It's an interesting place
If you go, don’t put your elbows on the table. I’m vegetarian, so it’s just waffles for me, but there’s decent food even for the vegetarian.
Go Bruins!
don’t put your elbows on the table
Why? Will they throw a chicken at you or something?
I am a Vereenian.
I think it’s the one in West LA where the waittress is very strict on table manners. She’s intimidating enough that I don’t want to mess with her.
Go Bruins!
The one in Oakland burned down and now its not Roscoe’s anymore. But it still sells Chicken and Waffles and its a perfect pre-Yoshi’s dinner.
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A couple of years ago a few friends looked on Google and noticed it said there was a Roscoe’s in Oakland and so we drove there only to find… nothing
In other words, Go Bears!
Its on the corner of Broadway as it hits the Embarcadero. Here is a link to the Google map.
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There’s a good BBQ/soul food place right by there, too.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I live in Texas – but Everett and Jones is still my favorite BBQ place
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 5, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, what??? Over all those mom and pop places on the farm roads, or anywhere in Lockhart, or even Salt Lick?
mmmmmm Salt Lick
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Also, it’s connected to a bar. It makes the waiting so much more enjoyable!
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I was in Brugge over the weekend, I had an 11 Euro dessert called Caramel Waffle Dream. Ice Cream + Caramel + Waffle + Waffle Cone + Powdered Sugar + Chocolate Syrup = Deliciousness. Unfortunately, after I ate it, I converted 11 euros in dollars and realized I just got anal raped.
That Hansel is so hot right now!
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
It was probably a fraction of the size you imagine it to be. Europe doesn’t have quite the same portion sizes that we do.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
You should have just gone to a frit tent, the wildly popular street vendors who sell french fries smothered in huge gobs of mayonnaise. They probably have just as many calories and they are much cheaper. Of course they are vile beyond all comprehension, but you can’t have everything.
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Can’t you, CalBear81? Can’t you?
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The Dutch and the Belgians are certainly crazy about them. The combination doesn’t actually taste bad, but I find all that oil and grease to be gross.
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I never learned to love the whole pickled herrings bought from street vendors, either.
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I did a hot dog with mayo in Rotterdam.
It wasn’t as good as the hot dog without mayo I had the next day (what-I like hot dogs, ok?) but it was still good. They had hollowed out mini-baguettes that they stuffed them into… (and cue zoo news)
They used – and may still – have the same thing in beach towns in the south of France. I’m sure that’s not the only place they exist in France, that’s the only place I’ve seen them.
Urgh. We lost power on Saturday morning… fortunately we have a gas stove and gas hot water, so we held out until Sunday… then had the stroke of luck to discover that some friends’ house still had power and they’re in CO skiing, so they let us crash there until the power came back on at some point today. We only got plowed out tonight.
Still, considering how much snow fell, that’s not too bad. I’m a little nervous about the storm that’s due to hit tomorrow – our roof has a low pitch and I don’t want to find out if it can hold another 10 – 20" of snow, so I’ll be up there sweeping tomorrow. Fun!
I’m expected to keep working at home as long as the power is on, or take time off. I managed a half day today, all in, between shoveling and whatnot. I was supposed to be flying to NOLA tomorrow but the flight’s already been cancelled and they’re unlikely to be going again before the meeting I was going to attend… alas.
I’ll be surprised if I get to an office this week. I’ll be amazed if the kids go to school at all this week. We shall see.
It’s good to hear you’re doing okay. Good luck with the next storm. Fingers crossed that it’s not too bad.
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You should make them go to school anyway, just so they can terrorize their kids about how they had to walk to school in the snow. Uphill, both ways!
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 8, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Stoops did point out something that could help: An early signing period.
“I’m all in favor of early signing periods,” he said. “If coaches leave, then obviously scholarships are null and void.”
There are complications with an early signing period, but it would simplify recruiting because players who wanted to opt-out of the mind games could use their signature to do so.
Coaches would know that a “committed” player who isn’t willing to sign early isn’t really “committed.” And players could lock in a scholarship to their dream school early and eliminate the possibility of a coach shuffling in later with talk of a “grayshirt.”
Would it be perfect? No. But what in college football is?
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/7757/some-coaches-were-bitter-on-signing-day
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This idea is the dumbest thing I have ever heard – all it is is moving up signing day. Certainly now a player could NOT sign on signing day, and let the process drag out. But they don’t because scholarship spots are few. What exists now is an “early” signing period as well (it is 6 months before they actually step on campus. Normally non-athletes aren’t accepted for another 2 or 3 months.)
There is no substantive difference between having an early signing period, and what exists now. (Unless, the idea is that this period would be before coaches were allowed any contact with players other than a letter offering them a scholarship, visits, etc – I would be all for that.)
There was a piece today with Saban lobbying for this pointless idea as well. Largely he was pissed that Kennan Allen “decommitted” from his verbal. But Allen is exactly the case for why an earlier signing period would be horrible – his brother’s circumstances changed and so he decided that he wanted to go to the same school as his brother (and it should be emphasized several other friends who didn’t have Alabama offers.) People arguing for an earlier signing day are arguing that Allen should be forced to attend Alabama, despite the fact that as it is, the decision is made 6 months before he will ever step on campus.
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 5, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
It reminds of all the states moving up the dates for their presidential primaries in 2008, so that the Iowa caucus was on New Years Eve or something. It just made the election longer and sillier.
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Right, and a player who doesn’t sign on the “early” day would be pulling a Rudy Giuliani sitting out the early primaries. It is not a strategy that is going to work out well.
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 5, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
the weather channel lets its known who they support:
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
by ch0ster on Feb 5, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Heart says Colts. Head says Colts. Spiritual self says Beer.
by sec119 on Feb 5, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'll probably root for the Saints
Although I don’t like being a bandwagon fan and I’m VERY sick of “Who dat” and “Geaux,” the “never won it before” factor is enough to get me to root for the Saints.
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by Fire Starkey on Feb 5, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Disappoint Link
NFL Flash Mob in London
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkmpyBeWY4A
They took the totally lame approach.
Fail
Brits suck at REAL football… Terrible throwing motion… They could never hit a receiver in stride… Huge disappointment…
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I would imagine going to an American establishment while in England also makes things worse.
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2007 Vitiano (Falesco – Umbria) This is great wine for the price, around $10 at fine wine emporiums, tastes more like $20. As you might expect, it pairs excellently with any hearty pasta dish. I had it with roasted cherry tomato & sausage spaghetti. Benefits greatly from decanting before drinking.
91 Points, International Wine Cellar – Ridiculously dark black-ruby color. Pretty aromas of cassis, black plum and earth, with a pronounced vanilla presence that does not overpower the fruit. Rich and densely packed, with distinctly ripe flavors of black fruits, raisin and chocolate lifted by an intriguing balsamic vinegar note. This finishes lighter than it starts, with welcome acidity nicely delineating the borderline-overripe fruit. Finishes creamy and long. This is a lot of wine for the money, and the best Vitiano in years, far removed from some astringent versions of recent memory.
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What about shopping for wine at the nearest Grocery Outlet?
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Grocery Outlet = very cheap wine, big selection. Occasionally you get some great steals, but you never know what they’ll have stocked.
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
There’s one around University and 4th St. in Berkeley.
http://www.groceryoutlet.com/
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Actually one in Oakland too, 29th & Broadway, I think a Safeway used to be there years ago.
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This.
The best way to buy wine in bulk is to go to Grocery Outlet, open up 10 or so $3 bottles of wine, and then buy cases of the one or two that are pretty good. But you have to do it right way, since the wine enthusiasts buy up the good stuff really fast.
/I have a problem.
Do we have mutual friends? That’s the suggestion that I’ve been told.
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
I hate how all the Indians get to fight over random shit, but none of the rest of us can fight over our ethnicities.
As such, I say the following to Spazzy McGee:
YOUR ANCESTORS AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN THE GENERAL AREA MADE TERRIBLE MATZOH BALLS IN COMPARISON TO THE HIGH QUALITY MATZOH BALLS MADE BY MY ANCESTORS.
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Don’t be ridiculous! Our matzoh balls were like the size of basketballs! They don’t compare with your tiny ping pong ball sized matzoh balls!!!
Quantity AND quantity!
Mine are from South Kiev. I thought yours were from North Kiev.
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Ah that makes sense. Only South Kievians could be as filthy and uncultured as you!
Quantity AND quantity!
Indeed, they definitely left more upper deckers than North Kievians.
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by carp on Feb 5, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Is it bad that I knew what that meant?
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I actually knew about it bc Goldblooded once told me that he did the dirty deed to somebody.
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KJ!!!!!!!
Look at that Kevin Johnson assist to Barkley!!!!!!
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sweet jeezus that's wrong.
rec’d.
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You would come to my site and denigrate my ancestor’s matzoh balls like this? What have I done to deserve this? Why would you want such that my ancestors and their matzoh balls are disgraced? Why would you want to do that to me? And in my condition!
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I hate how all the Indians get to fight over random shit, but none of the rest of us can fight over our ethnicities.
Why not?
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Northern Italians suck!
My heart skips a beat every time I hear the band strike up 'Our Sturdy Golden Bear'.
everyone who’s not English, Southern Italian, Irish, and a tinsy-bit native american SUCKS
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Just telling it like it is, CalBear81. I pull no punches, especially when arguing anonymously on the internet.
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I thought this would just be intraethnic fights. :(
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Im trying with Spazzy. And it seems hella forced!
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Not being good at something is no reason to say you can’t do it. I thought you’d know that!
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
I tried to talk shit about 909ers but no one seemed to care. I think its because the 909 doesn’t get accepted into respectable universities…. y’know cuz they are 909.
Can I get an Orange County to English translation?
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I dunno man, 909 is South County. I grew up 714.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
You’re like me! I’m actually there right now, too.
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, 949 is South County, 909 is Inland Empire (aka the wasteland), 714 gets by on the rep of the 949.
I’m sorry, how many amusement parks in the 949?
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ah yes, something didn’t look right about that. I haven’t lived there in several years and I forgot.
714 is kinda anonymous, it’s true. Though, Sublime did write a song about my hometown…
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
You grew up in Stand By Your Van, California?
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It’s also apparently the hometown of Mike Tepper!
No comment.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
You have to know where you have your various hos!
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
We do up here.
“925, bitch!”
“HELLA nickel dime!”
“916, no I don’t know where is that??”
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Actually, I’m reasonably sure no person has ever said 925 bitch
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See, I’ve always used words like “San Francisco,” “Berkeley,” “Oakland,” “San Jose,” “Concord,” etc. Of course, when I went to Cal, all of those cities were 415, so the area code would not have been very descriptive.
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I thought when you went to Cal, the area code was “001”?
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The problem is I can’t keep up with all the current jargon. Apparently, the 909 has been split up, and the west 909 assumed the role of a new 949 as they talk shit on the east 909 that has transformed into something im not aware of, but really the west 909 is more like 714… filled with good parts and blah parts.
WEE SOCIALISM!
I have little truck with those who are intractably opposed to building a UC coalition that involves everyone from the UC Board of Regents and the UC President (who should certainly be someone other than Mark Yudof), to maintenance workers; from newly-enrolled undergraduates to faculty. Unfair though this may be, the impression some organizers give off is that their decisions are based more on the adrenaline rush they get from proclaiming their militant radicalism to all and sundry than on serious consideration of the best rhetoric and strategy for making the case for public education.
Whether or not those things that students and workers are demanding are radical, or instead the most basic of rights, is another question. Nevertheless, there are good reasons to object to the sudden volte-face of UC officials, and the move smells of rank opportunism.
If, as Yudof and the regents say, it is the state’s fault that the we are in dire straits, then surely they should have refused to raise fees, made it incumbent on legislators to face the issue and made the state to live up to its responsibilities.
They needed to act decisively and morally to change the rules of the game. They failed to do so. They needed to imbue their words with a sense of sincerity by putting themselves on the line in protest. They didn’t.
Instead, by first pretending that laying off workers could make anything like a dent in the university’s budget problems, and then by slamming students with a 32 percent fee increase,
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I don’t see how that op-ed is even tangentially connected to socialism. Do you even understand what the fuck you’re talking about?
Sounds like a certain post-marriage evening I once heard about.
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, there’s the HolmoePhobe I’ve missed!
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 5, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
impression some organizers give off is that their decisions are based more on the adrenaline rush they get from proclaiming their militant radicalism to all and sundry than on serious consideration of the best rhetoric and strategy for making the case for public education.
the head of the nail has been hit upon with great vigor.
Quantity AND quantity!
well, I’d argue that the FSM/Mario Savio* and the divest from South Africa movements had a bit more substance . . .or is that just looking at them through the gauze wrapped vaseline smeared lens of history?
*My aunt was attending Berkeley in the 60s still complains that the FSM and the campus shudown prevented her from getting to class.
the free speech movement had a wee bit of value.
and the anti-aparthied movements had a little bit of value.
but the people most of them were the same kind of nutters who did the tree thing, either pure naive stoners, or cynical radicals for the sake of radicalness.
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by Rocksanddirt on Feb 5, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Well someone has to keep revolution books in business, right?
Oh that reminds me, when I was in Berkeley over New Year’s – I was at that leftist bookstore on Shattuck and my cousin was shopping for books. I picked up one of the Marxist magazines out of curiosity (there was a cover blurb about some sort of revolution formenting in China) – and damned if the writer of the article had a better idea of what was happening in China than any mainstream writer. By far – a much more direct line to what’s happening here.
You mean Everyone Living and Working in Harmonious Harmony Of Sunshine And Don’t You Dare Meddle In Our Business And Don’t You Dare Meet With The Dalai Lama?
Quantity AND quantity!
well, a lot more like the real problems in China are with local government and property rights.
The Western media coverage of human rights – eg dalai lama – is mainly bullshit. Tibet is such a minor part of the country – and no one here is especially clamoring for democracy or freedom of speech. There’s not a lot of anger over jailed dissidents or lack of freedom on the internet because people for the most part don’t give a rat’s ass.
But what people do care about – and what is happening everyday is local violations on an obscene level of property rights – taking property on “imminent domain” rights and then re-selling to property developing “friends” who have lined local cadres pockets with money and loose women. That is what is going on in China – and there’s a large large undercurrent of anger at local government here.
No one in the western media gets that – but it’s by far the most important story in China today – which puts it pretty high on the importance in the world scale. Dissidents? Dalai lama? Xinjiang? Minor stuff. Local uprisings? China instability would be really really bad for everyone. I saw a report that everyday – over 1000 “mass events” of more than 500 people occur in China. That shit is scary.
by LeonPowe on Feb 6, 2010 6:07 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Mmm, I love having my loose women in my pocket!
In addition to the excellent points you bring up, I would also add, maybe tacked onto the end of your list, 1) the problems associated with environmental degradation and 2) economic issues. The economy HAS to keep growing producing jobs for the masses, because that’s really the basis for the CCP’s legitimacy. In the meanwhile, there are a lot of rural poor who have migrated to the cities to find work, but quasi-illegally, because of the restrictions on movement, and they have difficulty with access basic things like getting their kids in school and stuff. I’m sure there’s a lot of discontent because of that.
by atomsareenough on Feb 6, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve read numerous articles on this very subject. The mass, connectedness, and cultural solidarity of the Chinese people is by far the most powerful agent for global social change in the 21st century. Averaging 8% economic growth for the better part of 20 years has kept more or less everyone happy (arguably at the expense of the rest of the Western world via currency manipulation), but woe betide the CCP which preside over a real Chinese economic crisis.
But to say Tibet is not a big deal to China is bullshit. Tibet is not a big deal to Chinese PEOPLE, but it certainly is to the CCP. he west may have “romanticized” the Dalai Lama to some degree, but China’s attempt to squash Tibetan culture for the last six decades is abhorrent and reminiscent of Native Americans’ plight in the 20th century. Of course it isn’t a “big deal” to average Chinese like you living thousands of miles from Tibet, just like the “savages” of the inner mountain west weren’t a concern to New York businessmen in 1870 (but corrupt Tammany Hall was…) But if what is soon to be the world’s largest economy, with fingers of investment in all parts of the globe, with the largest population, is allowed to destroy a culture simply because they do not care to live under the whims of the CCP, is a scary thought.
If it isn’t a big deal, why did China hack Gmail to collect dissidents’ information worldwide? Why did they hack an AUSTRALIAN film festival’s website in order to prevent ticket sales because a pro-Tibet film was shown? Why do they threaten punitive action upon free nations’ leaders meeting freely with the leader of a particular culture? For a country that plays the “don’t meddle” card so frequently, it is massively meddlesome and hypocritical.
The truth is the idea of a culture that does not care for the whims of the CCP is the greatest threat to the CCP itself. It’s the same reason China currently has thousands of missiles lining the Taiwan strait. And this CCP is about to become the world’s most powerful and influential government.
The truth is, China is a superpower that acts like a 2nd world nation with a 3rd world chip on its shoulder. It’s time for them to take global responsibility, instead of focusing solely on raising GDP per capita at the expense of the rest of the globe.
But hey, keep reading Xinhua, I’m sure you knew this already.
Quantity AND quantity!
You act as if I agree with the Chinese government with that little throwaway line. But if you think CNN/BBC have any much more insight here than Xinhua, well, that’s almost equally wrong. Honestly, the best reporting about China I’ve seen on television is from al-Jezeera.
f it isn’t a big deal, why did China hack Gmail to collect dissidents’ information worldwide? Why did they hack an AUSTRALIAN film festival’s website in order to prevent ticket sales because a pro-Tibet film was shown? Why do they threaten punitive action upon free nations’ leaders meeting freely with the leader of a particular culture? For a country that plays the "don’t meddle" card so frequently, it is massively meddlesome and hypocritical.
Because China has the world’s thinnest skin. You and I know that shit shouldn’t matter to the world’s – what 4th largest economy. I have a lot of friends at the US Consulate here – and they have complained that a lot of Chinese diplomacy is posturing and “hurt feelings” – instead of actually getting down and negotiating. You’re right – they’re almost a superpower, but act like they’re the smallest country in the world.
Anyways – the last few years of growth numbers are false – don’t believe them. 8% a year – that’s a government mandated number based almost solely on infrastructure projects. There’s very little job creation – in fact the factory sector is bleeding jobs at a huge rate and there’s property bubbles in Shanghai and Beijing. Thankfully, however, people tend not to be locked into ARMs and the savings rate is much higher here, but rental rates are dropping rapidly and buying prices keep going up on homeownership. This can’t end well.
Also – the Australian film festival had zero to do with Tibet. Rebeh Kadeyer (who is Uygher) had a film showing there.
Also – the Australian film festival had zero to do with Tibet. Rebeh Kadeyer (who is Uygher) had a film showing there.
You’re right, my bad, nothing to do with Tibet. But the point still stands. Meddling in another sovereignty based on perceived threats to the CCP.
You act as if I agree with the Chinese government with that little throwaway line. But if you think CNN/BBC have any much more insight here than Xinhua, well, that’s almost equally wrong.
I’m not really sure what you’re getting at. The state run media has better news about the goings-on within the state? Of course. But what it doesn’t have, which the BBC and CNN do, is a free and open debate about the place of the US and Britain (/EU) in the world. These news outlets constantly provide multiple perspectives on how the US’ actions affect the world, in good AND bad ways.
Remember the war in Iraq, and how polarizing it was in the US and around the globe? Do you think if China invaded Taiwan, the CCP would promote a single second of airtime or print to anti-invasion proponents on the mainland? Of course not. DOES Xinhua give any “pro-Tibet” media a single second? No. THAT is the crux of the West’s Tibet coverage. Duh, Tibet is a “small” region and Tibetans are a “small” population, and not much really goes on there. But how the CCP handles cultural challenges is tremendously important given China’s future global standing. And so far, western media has shown the CCP handles these “challenges” in a very frightening way: dissent, and be crushed.
Quantity AND quantity!
What I’m getting at is that CNN and BBC’s on the ground coverage in China is missing the big story. There’s a ton of unrest in China – and the cultural challenges are, in fact, not the most important thing going on here (although they may be emblamatic of the larger issue, they’re a tiny proportion of the social unrest going on). They’re important to the west because of Richard Gere and some romanticized view of Tibet, but you tell me what is more of a threat – 2 major groups of riots over the last two years (Tibet in May 2008 and Xinjiang just in 2009) or up to 10,000 smaller, but no less violent ones over the past two years happening in every small village, large city and in-between county town nationwide.
The first two get massive coverage on CNN/BBC/Xinhua – the last one? Almost nil.
You’re right xinhua misses the big story because it’s a propaganda mouthpiece. What are CNN and BBC’s excuses?
If the CCP ever loses its grip on power – I’m betting dollars to donuts it has zero to do with outside influences, and all to do with how they react to local property tussles.
A couple things. I balk at the idea of “a ton of unrest.” Most of the squabbles are local and petty on the whole, and amount to nothing. People are relocated, they’re paid, they get new jobs, and mostly either shut up or are shut up by the CCP.
And why CNN and BBC don’t cover them? I mean, property squabbles and eminent domain fights are, relatively, nothing. Yes, villagers are unhappy with their local CCP, but the situations in Tibet and Xinjiang are about something much more powerful: cultural death and a direct challenge to the notion of One China.
Quantity AND quantity!
When we have to ban Spazzy, LeonPowe, and Missing Barry for virulent racism at the end of it, there will be no person to blame but you.
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I’m not allowed to post a photo of your face here, am I?
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Twist, you’re like the TO of the joke world, constantly blaming the other people for your failures.
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no one here is especially clamoring for democracy or freedom of speech
^^ actually the scariest part of your statement to me.
The largest national population in the world: “Free Speech? Eh. I get a paycheck. Who cares?”
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^^ actually the scariest part of your statement to me.
The largest national population in the world: "Free Speech? Eh. I get a paycheck. Who cares?"
I think for the majority of the population it’s more like "I’m trying to get food on the table and find a paycheck – why would I even care about free speech. I make the equivalent of $2 a day.
Poverty has little to do with it. Most “revolutionary” movements were founded among the poor. It truly is about social change and empowering the people. Chinese simply do not give a shit because they don’t see any long term benefit to a free and open society because under CCP rule; they haven’t had any real problems, why care?
Quantity AND quantity!
well you need education + poor for most revolutions. China is sorely lacking in the first part. You’re right about the main cause – but poverty is still a strong motivator for going to the factory and not organizing.
You’re right about the second point for people in the cities though. In fact – it’s stronger than that – in the last 20 years people in the cities have gone from poor to developing nation status – so they support the central government. (Local government, again, way different story)
Hundreds of thousands of people in the American revolution, the French revolution, even in Iran today did and would risk death for their cause, and most of the minutemen weren’t rich by any stretch. Nothing remotely like that is coming out of China, outside of Tibet and Xinjiang and a tiny dissident population. Therefore I disagree with the idea that most people aren’t starting a revolution because they’re too worried about putting food on the table. China may be relatively poor by western standards, but almost no one starves. There are no more famines; most people have food on the table. And for that reason, no one really cares for freedom.
Quantity AND quantity!
Poverty has little to do with it. Most "revolutionary" movements were founded among the poor.
I’m not fully versed on the topic, but I was under the impression that most uprisings were led by the fairly wealthy (The American, French, and Bolshevik revolution were all started by pretty well-to-do folks). They frequently try to get the poor to fight with them, but I think Leon is right – most people are too busy trying to simply survive to foment a revolution.
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even the chinese revolt which was a mass peasant one was led by Dr. Sun (educated in Japan and Hawaii) or if you’re counting the Commie one, Deng Xiaoping spent a lot of time abroad in France, while Mao, Zhou, Lin Biao and the others all were affiliated with Peking University. Castro, too, is from educated upper class stock.
The only poor revolutions I can see are the Zapatistas in Mexico, Shining Path in Peru, the Maoists in Nepal and maybe the Bolivarians – but even then, they take their cues from Mao and Che – again, educated revolutionaries.
(Guessing this was rec’d by HP, AERose, atomsareenough, and a random CCP member who has put my gmail account on his wishlist.)
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I actually haven’t rec’d it, but thanks for thinking of me :)
by atomsareenough on Feb 9, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
On the other hand, I guess that means there are TWO random CCP members after your email account.
by atomsareenough on Feb 9, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
The president of The Ohio State University has some radical ideas for reforming higher education — place some value on a professor’s teaching abilities in considering tenure, and consider the quality of the professor’s publications instead of merely the quantity.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-02-05-university-tenure_N.htm?csp=34
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flagged, you must either be from ohio or have gone there for grad school. nobody should honor the “the”.
Remember, the enemy's end zone is DOWN!
So was Alanis Morissette’s song, but that doesn’t mean anyone approved.
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair, the “The” is statutory.
Section 3335.01 of the Ohio Revised Code:
The educational institution originally designated as the Ohio agricultural and mechanical college shall be known as "The Ohio State University."
The leading object shall be, without excluding other scientific and classical studies, and including military tactics, to teach such branches of learning as are related to agricultural and mechanical arts.
Effective Date: 10-01-1953
I am a Vereenian.
Consider me an official scofflaw then.
by atomsareenough on Feb 7, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
H-Index is gaining traction in academia as far as trying to measure both quality and quantity.
Also, quantity.
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Don’t swallow apple seeds, my mum said, or else an apple tree will start growing inside your stomach.
My 7-year-old self was sitting in the living room, with a half-demolished apple core in my hand. A great terror overcame me. How many apple seeds had I swallowed in my short life? Dozens, if not hundreds! At that very moment, there wasn’t just one apple tree growing inside my stomach, there was a veritable forest!
I turned to my mum, terrified, preparing to tell her we’d need to run to the hospital for a round of serious tree extraction surgeries. STAT. She just chuckled. “Maybe you were lucky this time; they don’t always grow into trees.”
I guess her trick worked. From that moment onward, I was always extra careful when eating apples. Even today I have a moment of worry when an overzealous bite results in me consuming a seed or two, and the thought of eating sunflower seeds for a snack makes me break out in a cold sweat.
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But where does it go when it sets?
My heart skips a beat every time I hear the band strike up 'Our Sturdy Golden Bear'.
To go play with all the little boys and girls who finished their vegetables and didn’t mouth off to their parents.
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
WRONG
In Arizona… somewhere near Flagstaff
My heart skips a beat every time I hear the band strike up 'Our Sturdy Golden Bear'.
My heart skips a beat every time I hear the band strike up 'Our Sturdy Golden Bear'.
by oskisunbear on Feb 5, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
More Calvin & Hobbes comics!!!!!
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…or was that supposed to be Truth rather than Peace?
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
And..... More Calvin & Hobbes Comics!!!!!!!!!!
Things to Remember: Girls usually don't like it when you yell out "Beast Mode!" when switching to doggy style. - TFLN
Hey guess whose back in the news!
"Avatar is a classic tree sit, but on the silver screen," said one young former tree sitter who called herself Leaf. "It made a billion dollars off of the message we were trying to send out about anti-capitalism. It’s so ironic. And they wanted to kill us. But then Cameron gets accolades."
Although the real life tree sitters had no flying dragons, lethal arrows, or floating mountains, they faced adversaries as blatantly hostile as the film’s military contractors searching for "unobtainium," and even received death threats from bystanders angered at their blithe ability to stop what some viewed as progress; all for the sake of their "silly" environmentalist ideals. Through all of this hostile opposition, the tree sit was deliberately nonviolent—save for a few unsavory and regrettable moments. The film was decidedly not—in fact, it seemed to promote the idea of violent activism. Perhaps even the right of the Na’vi to kill for a cause.
As a student journalist at the University of California Berkeley who was arrested for a nonviolent action during the stand-off between University officials and activists who were fighting to save a 100-year-old oak grove condemned for a new sports complex, I feel that Avatar has tapped into a the consciousness already present in American society; one that falls shy of supporting tree sitters but unabashedly applauds a film about environmental activism—even if it is violent activism.
More bad news for the Daily Planet:
The Berkeley Daily Planet has discovered that the company that has prepared its payroll for eight years vanished from its Oakland office shortly after the first of this year, leaving behind a trail of unpaid taxes and embezzlement charges. The Planet is not the only victim of what looks like a major fraud and a possible Ponzi scheme worthy of Bernie Madoff—the company claimed that it had more than 100 clients. Most of them are small businesses or nonprofits, and it seems likely that most of them have been stung. The total take could be in the millions of dollars.
No one—except perhaps the perpetrator—yet knows where the money might have gone, but the company founder has been reported to be in the Philippines, where he set up the company’s offshore data processing and call center operation. At least one customer has already filed a criminal fraud complaint, and on Tuesday the Planet filed a civil suit against the company alleging theft, fraud and more.
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i didn’t like avatar because of the story, i liked it because of the eye candy. what i also found funny about avatar is that sigourney weaver was defending an alien species for once instead of insisting upon its utter annihilation.
Remember, the enemy's end zone is DOWN!
What I also found funny and appropriate was that Signourney Weaver’s character got what she deserved for wearing a Stanfurd sports bra.
by Yes We Cannon on Feb 5, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
one might say that eywa, the “prophet” of the na’vi, “intercepted” her spirit?
Remember, the enemy's end zone is DOWN!
by GoldBlooded on Feb 5, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Stanfurd Daily: The Transfer Student from Cal: Which School is Better?
I made the biggest switch that can be made. From East bay to South bay. Public to Private. Blue and gold to Cardinal red. I transferred from Cal to Stanford after my sophomore year in college. While the memories of both institutions are still fresh in my mind, I have decided to have four rounds, one point each, to decide which school is truly better.
Now, I’d say that we get the first point and the conclusion is trite, but it is the Stanfurd Daily, so at least they’re trying.
For us here at Stanford, life exists outside of the rivalry. Dignity and point to Stanford.
I concur, this first point is all based upon subjective interpretation of “The Rivalry”. Stanford doesn’t even get a bronze medal for effort. He should have changed the category to “not caring about the Rivalry”.
Remember, the enemy's end zone is DOWN!
Translation: “We’re pretentious assholes who have no sense of fun, humor, or tradition.”
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So they get a point for not caring about it?
The point system loses its credibility instantly.
How’s this for “dignity”: they forfeited a Scrum Axe game. FORFETIED! For no good reason. Minus 1,000,000 dignity points for stanfurd.
I am a Vereenian.
Flagged
For SO many reasons
1) Leaving Cal
2) Considering going to ‘Furd
3) Going to ’Furd
4) Deigning to compare our great university with some suburban farmstead, and in their stupid paper no less
5) Saying that their academics are better when they really are not
6) Insinuating that it’s at all a tie based on those 4 stupid metrics
7) The existence of Condoleezza Rice being considered a point in favor… I mean, we have John Yoo, but do we brag about it? Fuck no. We just consider him a sacrifice on the altar of intellectual freedom. At least until he hopefully gets disbarred and/or imprisoned for his contributions to US torture policy.
by atomsareenough on Feb 5, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
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