Depth Charts on Defense - now with stats!
by concordtom on Feb 4, 2010 1:16 PM PST
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We're all giddy over yesterday, right? We got some stud recruits and even Tedford and Gregory say most all these freshman have the potential to play right away. In fact, listening to Gregory, it sounded almost as if he was throwing some of his current players under the bus, indicating they simply may not have the physical gifts necessary to do what the defensive scheme requires.
So, what kind of team are we looking at next year? I went onto Calbears.com, grabbed the current roster (where Seniors like Alualu and Sydquan have already been removed), and added in the recruits, just to see where we are at on positions.
Take a look at the Defensive positions after the jump, and then I'll leave it to you all to debate the proper depth and specific positions for an 11-man 3-4 squad (3 Linemen, 4 Backers, 2 Cornerbacks, 1 Strong Safety, 1 Free Safety).
Leading Defensive Players Lost to Graduation:
Tyson Alualu, Devin Bishop, Eddie Young, Brett Johnson, Syd'Quan Thompson, Marcus Ezeff.
* Asterisk indicates projected starter.
TACKLES
Pos Yr Name Letters GP-GS Solo-Asst-Tot HT WGT
LINEBACKERS - While many thought our D would be great in 2009, it wasn't. Now it will simply be interesting to see if any of the stud LB recruits will supplant the existing players. Spring won't answer - will have to wait until the Fall and into the season as players prove themselves week in and week out. Mohamed is a lock, however.
ILB SR * Mike Mohamed 3V 13-13 69 43 112 6'3" 237
OLB SR Keith Browner 2V 13-1 2 3 5
LB SR Charles Johnson 2V 12-0 2 8 10
LB SR Jerome Meadows 1V 10-0 2 2 4
LB SR Jarred Price 1V 12-0 5 1 6 (been playing all downs - not just 3rd
ILB Jr. * D.J. Holt 2V 13-8 20 17 37
LB Jr. * Mychal Kendricks 2V 13-6 38 33 71 6'0" 230
LB Jr. Solomona Aigamaua SQ 1-0 0 2 2
LB Soph J.P. Hurrell 1V 13-0 4 6 10
OLB Soph Chris Little 1V 11-0 7 3 10
LB Soph Robert Mullins SQ
LB Soph Nick Rosato SQ
LB RS FR Dan Camporeale RS
LB RS FR Steven Fanua RS
ILB Frosh Nick Forbes (4-star recruit)
LB Frosh Chris McCain (4-star recruit)
LB Frosh Cecil Whiteside (4-star recruit)
LB Frosh David Wilkerson (4-star recruit)
DE Frosh Gabe King (4-star recruit)
OLB Frosh * Chris Martin (5-star recruit)
SECONDARY - Other than Cattouse, all spots appear wide open. Youngins are stepping up so we have depth, if not top flight quality.
DB SR Charles Amadi 3V 8-0 4 0 4
S SR Chris Conte 3V 13-1 19 6 25 SAFETY
CB SR * Darian Hagan 3V 10-4 23 7 30 (must study and regain focus and intestity)
CB SR * Bryant Nnabuife 2V 10-4 26 4 30
S Jr. D.J. Campbell 2V 12-0 9 5 14 (cattouse backup)
S Jr. * Sean Cattouse 2V 13-6 28 9 37 SAFETY
S Jr. C.J. Moncrease 1V 12-0 5 1 6 SAFETY
DB Soph Marc Anthony 1V
DB Soph * Josh Hill 1V 11-5 30 4 34
DB Soph Tyre Ellison SQ
S RS FR Alex Logan RS (could be surprise upside)
CB RS FR Vachel Samuels RS (Tedford fired up about as CB in Spring)(rather play CB, but will take PT however)
CB RS FR Steve Williams RS (could be surprise upside)
DB Frosh Michael Coley
DB Frosh Adrian Lee
DOWN LINEMEN - We lost the recruiting wars for those who play "Front 3", lost the mighty Tyson Alualu to graduation.
NT SR Derrick Hill (2) 3V 10-8 6 12 18
DE SR * Cameron Jordan 3V 13-13 22 26 48
DE SR Michael Costanzo 2V 12-0 2 2 4
DL Jr. Ernest Owusu 2V 12-0 6 1 7
DE Jr. * Trevor Guyton 2V 11-0 3 10 13
DL Jr. Ryan Davis RS
NT Soph * Kendrick Payne 1V 12-2 8 5 13 (appears to be beating Derrick Hill for NT starter)
DL Soph Aaron Tipoti 1V 12-4 1 20 21
DL RS FR Austin Clark RS
Outside RS FR Deandre Coleman (2) RS (Tosh says he is 6'5", 312, very powerful, has NFL potential. Must study)
DL RS FR Keni Kaufusi RS
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Thanks ct
It’s always good to have the info in front of you. We’re looking really solid in every area.
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Dipshit question: I’ve always seen the “1V, 2V…” abbreviations but never known what they stood for. V? I get that 3V means you’ve played for 3 years with a redshirt, but why “3V?” Also, what is “SQ”?
Quantity AND quantity!
Methinks the V stands for Varsity letters earned. So, hopefully, when you graduate you are 4V.
Guys can use up their years of eligibility without earning a V. Compare Mike Mohamed, a 3V Senior and 1V Jerome Meadows, who has only earned 1V so far. Mike will be 4V and Jerome a 2V at the end of next season. I don’t know how much playing time guys need to get in order to earn the V. I also don’t know what SQ stands for – something to do with JC transfers maybe?
I'm Not Its Fair to Say
that we didn’t recruit anybody for Alualu (Jay Guy, Owa, Cassius Marsh, etc) Tosh recruited his tail off for the line, with Cal leading most of the way or even getting verbals and then losing them; in the end we got Gabe King and Chris Martin is the hybrid edge rusher. Hopefully Coleman and Kaufusi will be ready and Jordan and Guyton will live up to their potential.
I really hope Allen plays on the backend more than a little with Coley and Anthony and Williams are ready like immediately because the secondary was terrible.
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by bringbackbuddytrees on Feb 4, 2010 5:47 PM PST reply actions
Someone needs to explain to me why it's necessary to have 15 defensive backs and 18 linebackers on a college sports team
How many of these guys even play a down all season? Half?
It boggles my mind how many football scholarships are just wasted on players who will never play a snap while other sports languish with barely enough to fill out a team.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
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Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
It boggles my mind how many football scholarships are just wasted on players who will never play a snap while other sports languish with barely enough to fill out a team.
Ha, while you might be one of the best commentators out there Paul Thomas, I fail to see why this boggles your mind. Football (and to a small degree mens basketball) pays for every other scholarship athlete in the school. Football + a little bit mens basketball make up basically the entire athletic departments revenues….
by Missing Barry on Feb 6, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Parts of schools subsidize other parts all the time
That doesn’t explain why it’s necessary to have such a bloated roster.
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Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
I don't think it's as bloated as you make it seem.
You have to consider two points — 1) the players are recruited to play within four years, and 2) the odds a recruit will pan out are less than 100%.
Of those 18 linebackers, for example, maybe the underclassmen won’t see any playing time this year, but that doesn’t mean the roster is bloated — it just means that that half is too young to be any good. And of the remaining upperclassmen, e.g. eight linebackers, Tedford had no way of knowing which ones would pan out to be the best or remain uninjured when they were recruited four years ago. Not all of them will see playing time because not all of them are that good, but I think this is a sunk cost more than anything, which will always result from the fact that recruiting is a gamble.
You at least want 4 CBs for each CB position. That’s 8 CBs. You want at least 3 safeties for each safety position. That’s another 6 players. So for the secondary, you’re going to have around 14 guys. The numbers that you’ve shown above for DBs is completely normal.
As for LBs, you want at the very very least 3 LBs at every position, perhaps more like 4 at every position. Since Cal plays the 3-4, you’ll have at least 12 LBs and perhaps up to 16 LBs. But as since those guys take a beating, most teams will opt for more depth and carry a few more LBs that can play all positions. The numbers that you’ve shown above for the LBs is completely normal.
And why don’t some of those guys play a down all season, or half season? Redshirts. Depth chart. Some guys just can’t beat out 3 and 4 year starters to no fault of the backups (the backups aren’t necessarily bad, but they’re just not as good as the starter).
There is nothing mind-boggling about Cal Football’s depth chart and its use of scholarships.
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I don’t think Paul would disagree that a football team would want all of these players on the roster – clearly the more players a team can have the better. I think he was questioning the fairness of football being able to recruit 3 or 4 deep on a roster when a college baseball team can’t offer scholarships to a full starting team
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If more people watched college baseball and donated to college baseball, more scholarships could be offered. But since college football is the main cash cow, they can offer pretty much the maximum of what’s necessary.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 7, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
You’re ranking sports by boringness? How boring is that?
by atomsareenough on Feb 8, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
1. Nascar 2. Golf 3. Basketball
Quantity AND quantity!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 8, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, it's...
1)Golf
2)Nascar
3)Hockey
by atomsareenough on Feb 8, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hockey… boring? Not my favorite sport to watch, but I’d never call it boring
by Kai on Feb 8, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Flagged for starting this stupid subthread.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 8, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
He framed the issue as to whether having so many scholarship football players is a waste, and not whether the football team wants all those players. This is based on the subject line and the first sentence of his comment. He calls those players that are on scholarship but don’t play full seasons a “waste.” I was trying to explain to him that they are not a waste. Having that many players at those positions is normal. A lot of players don’t play for the very legit reasons I listed above.
And as Avinash explained later, Football should get more scholarships than all the other sports because they do make the most money.
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Football should get more scholarships than all the other sports because they do make the most money.
How laissez faire of you! Just to be clear, I don’t have any particular objections to how many scholarships the football team has. But I wouldn’t argue that because the football teams make money they should also get scholarships. Football is just one more sport out of many.
Besides, NFL teams survive quite well with a roster of 53. College teams could do the same if that were the rules. It would just mean a lower quality of play because players wouldn’t be able to redshirt and not play for a few years as they learned the ropes.
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Football makes the most money. They’ll make even more money if they do well. Giving the football team more scholarships increases their chances of being better. With increased chances of being better on average they will be better. Being better usually means more wins. More wins means more money.
College teams would not do just as well as NFL teams with a 53 roster. That’s ridiculous. It’s not even worth my time to explain why.
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Does anybody want to get back to the original topic of this post?
I want to hear your thoughts of who you think is going to start where.
Too early to project, imo. I’ll wait until spring camp when it’s known who will be coming back and if anybody is changing positions.
I agree with you. However, aren’t those of us here on this CGB blog addicts who can’t wait until spring?
On the basketball front, I’ve got the team mapped out for the next few years – Based on existing personnel and grade levels, Monty’s going to need to bring in 2 big posts for the 2011 class (he has 2 scholarships available). He’s surely shopping for those fellas right now. Let’s see how he does.
So old. It has Alualu, SQT, etc listed. And if you chose 4-3 it shows the 2008 defense in 4-3!
In other words, Go Bears!
True
But nobody is really paying attn or adding to this post except for me anyways…
I’m just trying to be famous, you know.
No, actually, going thru the process of creating the top table of players helped me put the draft into perspective, realize what they’ll mean to the team next year.
The LB corps this year… 5 seniors – they’ll be gone and then the kids will really take over as sophi’s. Interesting.
Also, gotta really recruit for down linemen and DB’s next year.
Impaying attention concordtom. Im paying attention.
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Thanks, Twist.
But did you notice that, accidentally, I called the HS recruiting process as “the draft”?
Funny… but that’s what it’s become.
The part that sucks is that folks like Tosh will get a big raise, but the kids – what do they get?
One day I’ll do a post on my proposal to pay college athletes!
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