Jeff Tedford's Stable Regime Lays Foundation for Cal Recruiting Success
Will Austin Hinder be the next Tedford success story? (HT Solarise for the photo)
I'll admit as much as anyone; we got some real luck on our side this time. Recruiting can be such a crapshoot sometimes, especially for a program like Cal that's been strugging to make it to the top of the conference. You need a few breaks to fall your way, a few big recruits to think outside the box and look at you as a viable option, and occasionally a few uncontrollable events to get good things swinging your way.
And in the case of Jeff Tedford's Golden Bear Class of 2010, that's exactly what happened. daveman explains how a fortunate series of events helped formulate one of the best classes in California football history.
If Charlie Weis doesn’t get fired… AND
Mark Mangino doesn’t get fired…. AND
Jimmy Harbaugh doesn’t decline the Kansas job… AND
Turner Gill doesn’t leave Buffalo for the Kansas job…We potentially don’t sign:
Chris Martin (5 star)
Keenan Allen (5 star)
Gabe King (4 star)
Chris McCain (4 star)
Zach Maynard (2 star from 2008)And we’d all be sitting here twiddling our thumbs about how an 8-5 season really killed our recruiting this year and that maybe Tedford should be fired. Oh how the stars had to align for this to break our way today.
On the other hand, I've always believed good karma gets rewarded, and it looks like the Golden Bears have finally received our due. After a few years struggling with a lot of players who didn't pan out and critical depth issues, we're finally getting back on track to the national aspirations Tedford foresaw for us over a half-decade ago. Considering the horrid misfortunes our team has suffered the past decade, I'd say it's about time our luck swung our way.
But it's not all luck. Although we're heaping praise on Tosh Lupoi (who deserves every bit of it), none of what transpired yesterday is possible without Tedford. We're quick to blame our head coach when he fails (myself included), but fail praise him when he succeeds, and this seems like one time where his hard work and straight shooting approach to recruits finally paid dividends.
For most programs, college football is 75% recruiting, 25% coaching, and although Tedford was a master tactician for over a decade and a half, this year he's beginning to show the strategic promise that'll help him compete with the big boys for top talent. If this is the start of the trend of top 15 recruiting classes, it could mean very great things in the years to come. With the SAHPC finally on track to completion and all the stupid distractions of Berkeley no longer an issue, it seems things are coming together.
After the jump, I lay out a few points at how Tedford's consistency can keep us at the top of our recruiting game, and how important his presence will be at taking us to the top of the Pac-10.
Julie Luck (at the 2:20-2:30 mark), former Cal cheerleader and now anchor for the Greensboro local FOX affiliate, couldn't be more pleased with the news about Allen, King, Maynard and McCain.
Continuity: As pointed out by Monte Poole of the San Jose Mercury News a few weeks ago, the stability of Tedford's program provides a great selling point to future recruits. It's hard to back up that any of the other Pac-10 coaches will be sticking around their programs for long; with every year that passes it's hard to imagine Tedford being anywhere else.
Entering his ninth season with the Golden Bears, Tedford is the most tenured coach in the Pac-10. His program is relatively clean. Turnover among his assistants is relatively low, though it most assuredly would be higher if Cal were averaging 10 wins per season instead of eight. Quite simply, no football coach in the Pac-10 can sell consistency to recruits as openly and honestly as Tedford — and have evidence to back it up. Harbaugh is restless by nature. Kiffin has to overcome a credibility problem. Rick Neuheisel passed through two other schools as head coach before getting to UCLA. Kelly has a one-year record and has been noticed. Steve Sarkisian at Washington, another rookie, was contacted by the Raiders in 2007 and, should he have success, will get more looks from the NFL. Rarely does Cal recruit against the likes of Paul Wulff at Washington State, Dennis Erickson at Arizona State or Mike Stoops at Arizona. The problem with Mike Riley, entering his eighth year at Oregon State and who recently signed an extension through 2019, when he turns 66, is that he is in Corvallis. Riley is the best coach in the conference, but he works in a place that almost never attracts a blue-chipper. Which means Tedford this month is in position to expand his clout. He can sell the Bay Area. He can sell improving and expanding facilities, though certain areas of Memorial Stadium look like safety hazards.
Loyal to his assistants=stability x 2. Bob Gregory might not be the most popular man, but he has recruited several key members of this class and has shown great interest in all of them. Tosh Lupoi might be the first true Tedford acolyte--without his outstanding efforts on the recruiting trail, and he could be in contention for recruiter of the year.
The point is with Tedford's loyalty to his assistants, he's been able to show that the people he has here will not be let go barring drastic circumstances (see Alamar, Pete). That means more consistency for recruits, who usually get pretty dismayed when the guys that recruited them are let go. As solarise showed us, more and more athletes aren't choosing a school, but a coach, a personal teacher that'll take them four years.
Is it any wonder that the best feature of our team continues to be Ron Gould's running backs (Gould has been at Cal for over a decade now), and the worst has been our passing game (five offensive coordinators in five years). And who knows how much better our defenses will get with capable lieutenants like Lupoi, Thompson and Simmons finally coming into their own? Add in Daft hopefully starting to teach better fundamentals with the wide receivers and Marshall starting to develop the offensive line, and you could see more of an upside as time goes by.
Hopefully, Tedford will recognize the importance of continuity and try his best to keep the Bears coaching staff right where they are. If that isn't possible due to financial constraints, then we'll have to see if he has good replacements ready to add into the staff.
The SAHPC: Our fans always underestimate how bad our facilities have been and how they've undercut our recruiting efforts. Not having that athletic center ready to go, plus the bad mojo surrounding the treesitters provided such bad PR for Tedford and the football team that we had to scrap around for good recruits.
With the SAHPC getting moving, now it's not a huge issue. It could mean really good things ahead for the Bears, as almost every incoming class should be practicing exclusively in the new facilities. While I don't think it'll result in an influx of five stars, there's no reason not to expect Tedford and Cal to attract looks from top-notch talent in the upcoming years (and if early recruiting rankings are any indicator, the Bears are in the hunt for some big time names in 2011).
Exciting playmakers: Nothing is more important these days than visibility, and especially in the YouTube age (when you can find anyone's highlight reel), players gravitated toward schools with stars. In the last few years, Cal has produced so many exciting playmakers (particularly on offense) that their names are common fixtures on the football landscape. Quarterbacks are always intrigued at working with Tedford (and probably more so than ever with Aaron Rodgers blooming this season), and Austin Hinder was definitely down for being Tedford's new quarterback of the future. Ron Gould turns running backs into stars (could Trajuan Briggs be next?) and Desean Jackson gets every young receiver a little added incentive to come to Cal (Keenan Allen and a host of other names will be lobbying for that lofty status soon enough).
With Chris Martin, Chris McCain, Gabe King, Cecil Whiteside, Nick Forbes and company on their way, you could see a lot of new defensive playmakers appearing too, all of whom could lay the foundation for a monster defense in about two to three years. And all it takes is one or two great defensive classes to set up the next four or five ("Come play with Martin!").
The Pete Carroll Trojans are no more. By far this was the biggest deal in 2010, and it should not be understated--if Pete Carroll was replaced with a generic head coach (say, Ron Prince), how many recruiting battles does Tedford win with recruits choosing between USC and Cal? Do we get Devon Kennard last year? Do we get one of the treasured five star quarterbacks always outside our reach? How does the balance of power shift in the middle of that decade?
Pete Carroll and USC were the perfect match. He provided the recruiting energy and passion that was needed to lock up not just one or two but five to ten of the best names around the country year after year. Add in the name of USC and it was inevitable that the Trojans would dominate the conference for as long as they did. Take Carroll away and Tedford and the Bears would have already broken their Rose Bowl curse. Simple as that.
The historical comparison I'd make here is between Casear and Augustus. It was a lot more fun to be led by Casear--plenty of battles, conquering the lands, making deals, crushing enemies one at a time. Augustus avoided big wars and didn't conduct many huge scale battles, which probably caused a lot of grumbling for those who wanted more fighting and aggression. However, he built up the Roman Empire to one of its many apexes and kept it in a relatively calm and peaceful state during his rule. His rue was steady while the others was rocky. And with Caesar, he always faced the possibility of death, as enemies continued to strike at him until someone finally nailed in the dagger (USC fans always knew there was a chance Carroll would leave for the pros again; Cal fans haven't worried about Tedford leaving for quite some time). Generally, you were always in safer hands with Augustus rather than Caesar.
(If we're comparing Roman emperors to Pac-10 coaches, Tedford is Augustus, Carroll is Caesar, Riley is Trajan, Sarkisian is Hadrian, Kelly's probably Vespasian, Bellotti is Aurelius, Neuheisel is Domitian, Erickson is Tiberius, Stoops is Claudius, Wulff is Commodus, Harbaugh is Nero and Kiffin is definitely Caligula. To be explored more in the offseason.)
All I have to say it's better that our Bears are ruled by an Augustus rather than a Caesar. And with Tedford at the helm, we could be in store for one long Pax Romana ahead.
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well, yes,
good karma is in fact always rewarded, by definition. I think you mean with enough hard work the wheel eventually turns back in our favor, or something like that :)
After reading this post I thought it would be interesting to see how this class was ranked compared to previous years. Please forgive the formatting of the table below, I don’t know how to make it prettier in a post. The table has year, class rankings from rivals.com, and the record for that year. Not surprisingly our highest ranked class was the year after Aaron Rodgers nearly took us to the promised land. The second highest? This year. So something else definitely happened. Was it SAHPC, Tosh, no hippies in trees, Tedford, recruits reading CGB? I don’t know but hopefully it keeps happening.
Year Ranking Record
2010 11 NA
2009 42 8-5
2008 34 9-4
2007 22 7-6
2006 19 10-3
2005 9 8-4
2004 23 10-2
2003 14 8-6
2002 64 7-5
One difference between the 05 class and the current class, is that in 05 we had a large number of highly touted JC transfers. This year we have highly touted freshmen. Hopefully, the freshmen make a longer contribution.
I love the whole coach as Roman emperor thing. Stoops as Claudius. Classic. But I had no idea Nero was that hubristic.
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by SoCal Oski on Feb 4, 2010 7:35 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Nero fancied himself a great singer and actor, and gave performances that lasted hours. Attendance was mandatory and falling asleep could get an audience member the death penalty. Nero also entered many chariot races and won them all — even when he didn’t finish the race. It never seemed to occur to him that his victories might not have been strictly based on merit. It has been reported that his dying words were: “What a great artist dies in me.”
Yeah, I think Nero works for Harbaugh.
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by CalBear81 on Feb 4, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks for the bit of info calbear. good stuff. very amusing.
get off me bandwagoners!
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by cleancutmedia on Feb 4, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Either that or he suffers from an English public school education
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
opps, I guess I assume too much, I thought since 1997 & And Bears were the only XX’s on the blog
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Beat me to it.
Hoist on his own petard signature.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
By English I assume you mean from England?
I also happen to love history and trust me I didn’t go anywhere near the word “English” in HS or college.
In other words, Go Bears!
Yup
Focus of an English public school: the Classics, bulling, and sodomy, not sure if that’s the right order though
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Pretty much all I read for fun is history and biography. I love all history, but my main area of interest is actually late medieval and early modern Europe.
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You ever heard of "Dancing To The Precipice?
President Emperor Warlord Of The Sun!
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You mean the one about the French gal that hung out with Marie Antoinette, Napoleon, et al.? No.
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Im reading it right now. Good stuff!
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Two of the best
I’ve read lately are Nixonland & The Punic Wars by Adrian Goldsworthy. Nixonland was absolutely great, difficult in the sense that so much of the history is depressing, and depressing similar to America today, but reads like a page turner you can’t put down-
Goldsworthy also wrote How Rome Fell, which was interesting as well, but too much of an overview (200+ years, one book) to be really engrossing.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Very compelling, solid writing, a mix of the major actors on the stage then, their motivations, but doesn’t skimp on explaining the cultural differences between the Romans and the Phoenicians.
Its mainly about the wars, but at the end, I really understood the Roman mindset that allowed them to win. If you are interested in the period, you will like it, I hope as much as I did.
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True story, royrules: I am currently reading volume two of Ian Kershaw’s biography of Adolf Hitler. I finished the first volume a few weeks ago. It covered 1889-1936, and was about 800 pages. It was kind of long and really, really detailed. But I figured volume two might be a little shorter because it only covers the last nine years of his life. Granted, it was WWII and all, but still. So I ordered volume two from Amazon. It’s over 1,100 pages. Yikes. The moral of this story is: There really is such a thing as too much Hitler!
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No!!! The Hitler Channel, I mean the History Channel, thinks that you can never, ever, have too much Hitler.
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I’ve heard about this book and I do totally want to read it but never got around to it.
In other words, Go Bears!
It’s very well-written. But Kershaw has recently come out with a one volume abridged version. I would recommend that instead of the two volume 1,800 page version I’m reading, unless you are really, really interested in every detail of Hitler’s life and the internal workings of the Third Reich.
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Harbaugh is restless by nature.
This bothered me. Sure, Harbaugh seems like he’s just waiting to get out to a better opportunity, I don’t mind speculating about it, and I don’t mind seeing you guys on a blog speculate about it, but this guy’s a journalist. He’s supposed to have some sort of credibility and journalistic integrity, I don’t think it’s right for him to speculate along those same lines. I think it’s pretty ridiculous for a reporter to just throw out such a strong opinion without anything to back it up.
Riley is the best coach in the conference, but he works in a place that almost never attracts a blue-chipper.
I also take issue with this. Riley hasn’t had nearly as much success as everyone seems to think. He’s been less successful than Tedford if you look at where his team has finished in the rankings. He’s been less successful than Erickson was at Oregon State. Recruiting matters – and I think, when judging who the “best” coach is, final results are what counts, and Riley simply hasn’t had the level of success you’d expect to back up claims like that.
But anyways, moving on to better things, great class! Glad it worked out for Tedford, hopefully a couple more classes like this and Cal can really load itself up with some talent and make a legitimate run at the Rose Bowl. Tedford deserves it. He’s a good coach, he’s stuck by Cal even when he had other opportunities. And he does it the right way – he brings in quality character kids, makes sure they’re students as well as athletes, and he sells his recruits on honesty and integrity.
No, Riley is definitely the best coach in the conference. The fact that his teams tend to be really bad at the beginning of the year, then get better over time, and close out the year strong, is kinda odd. But I still have no doubt he is the best coach in the league. You talk about honesty and integrity – that is exactly what Riley has – especially in comparison to Erickson.
Agreed
He’s done more with less than anyone I can think of. If you can take lesser ranked players and make a run for the Roses with the likes of USC’s stable of 5-stars, you’ve got to chalk that up to good coaching. Well, YOU don’t have to, but I do. Either that or he can see potential in a player that the ranking dot-coms don’t, which is also a coaching talent.
Nice guy, too, which counts ALOT in my book.
I'd like to smell the Roses before I die.
He’s done more with less
This is a bullshit argument. Recruiting is part of the coaches job. If he’s not getting the recruits to be successful, that’s a reflection on his college coaching ability.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Orthe fact his school is in Corvalis, Or and not LA
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If you want to factor in a disadvantage in recruiting, fine, but you can’t discount recruiting altogether. Good coaches still get pretty good talent (even if it’s not elite talent) wherever they go.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
But I think the most amazing thing he does is recruiting – he gets some really good players to go to OSU every year and he also finds great players no one wants. Finding guys like the Rodgers brothers requires much better recruiting than signing some five-star guy who everyone wants.
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 4, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oregon State....
…..has produced as much NFL talent as many other schools (22 at current). That Riley is able to identify talent in recruiting that the recruiting services don’t deem to be talented is their problem, not Riley’s. Riley may not have a great star count, but the talent gets there nonetheless.
It’s just a matter of time until more brand names head over to Corvallis. I’ve been to the town, and its not fair to use it as an excuse for not picking up more highly-touted prospects. I can think of several powerhouse schools out in the boonies too that get it done.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Plus what about Corvallis is less appealing than say….Berkeley? It’s not like Cal has the resources, the facilities, tradition and whatever else that the top powerhouses have, either. So what, exactly, is Tedford’s advantage over Oregon State?
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I am going to read this as sarcasm. It is the only way it makes sense.
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 4, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, to you, since you went to Cal (I’m assuming). As one of the few people here that chose to go somewhere besides Cal and has a more objective opinion because of it (not that I know much about Corvallis, though my dad did hate it and transferred after a year)….Berkeley isn’t that appealing to a lot of people, myself included.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Why isn’t Berkeley appealing to you? Is there an inherently racist reason? Do you not like the liberalism (which btw you can ignore)? Do you not like the homeless folks (which you can also ignore)? Give a reason
In other words, Go Bears!
Student body isn’t my kind of scene. Don’t particularly like hippies (not saying the student body has many, but the community does). Big public school (though this wouldn’t affect football recruits since almost all big football schools are big public schools). Wrong side of the hills (colder and foggier). Not asian (joke to appease your racism question). Too close to home (again, not relevent to the football aspect of this).
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
not arguing with you – after graduating i move out into Northern California and out of the East Bay because I got tired of it. But for any high school graduate, Berkeley is a fun enough place for 3/4 years and they should have enough of a fuse to deal with the “diversity” of people in Berkeley.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
But for any high school graduate
See, this is what I’m really arguing against. Yes, no doubt some (even lots) of people agree with your point of view. Many do not. There are plenty of people that aren’t looking for the things Berkeley has to offer. Frankly, if you’re looking to have some fun in college, Berkeley is not a very attractive desintation. If you’re looking for attractive girls….Berkeley doesn’t make the list. Some people simply aren’t looking for the kinds of things you guys are touting as college students, and it’s not just a small handful.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I actually have gone to games in Corvallis and like the area. But I can’t imagine there are many (certainly there are some) 17-year-old highly recruited football prospects who would pick Corvallis over Berkeley.
Berkeley is frankly the single biggest advantage we have in recruiting over nearly any other school (save USC/UCLA).
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 4, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Berkeley is frankly the single biggest advantage we have in recruiting
On what basis? AU/ASU have pretty sweet locations, UW is in Seattle, Stanford is in the Bay. I’m actually just unclear what aspects you’re talking about here.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Ummm…Arizona vs. next to SF. Stanford is no closer to the city than Berkeley is, its by itself in suburbia zombie land south bay. Seattle is cool, if you hate the sun (not that Cal gets amazing weather).
I’m going to agree with the above post – as far as location the only real competition is USC/UCLA – not that a lot of recruits factor in a lot more than that.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Stanfurd is on the butt end of the bay in Silicon Valley suburbia. It’s not urban compared to Cal, UCLA, USC, UW, ASU. Many teenagers will see the option of moving to a new and interesting city (like Berkeley, or Los Angeles, or Seattle) as a big plus. Fewer kids are going to be less excited about moving to central Oregon, even if many of them would in fact love it—they don’t know that.
Tucson is a dump.
To reply to both of you, say what you want, but a big college atmosphere, with lots of attractive girls, a party mentality, and the best weather you can possibly find for college (you’re only there the awesome 9 months of the year and get to skip the crappy summer months, though I guess that’s less true for football players)….yeah, there are a lot more people out there like me than you think that see those things as appealing. I’m not saying those are attractive metropolitan areas, I am saying they’re attractive college destinations. For the same bizarre reasons so many people I know loved Chico, people enjoy going to college in those kinds of places.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
a big college atmosphere, with lots of attractive girls, a party mentality, and the best weather you can possibly find for college
where exactly are you referring to? the valhalla of Pac-10 football? only place with all of that is LA.
you’re kind of all over the board, maybe you just hate berkeley.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
I don’t know about you guys but I chose Cal because of all of the hotties (only later did I realize how hot they were)
Hot brains! Hot successful jobs after college. Yeah I see why you realized it only later. ;)
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
wtf? when were you there? i think we are from different eras. as a school of 20,000 undergrads – there are a lot of fish in the sea. but then go to some other UCs, SB, LA, etc. and the stock is appreciably better.
Still, f*ck those other schools.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Mostly the Arizona schools with that comment.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Actually entirely the Arizona schools.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Well, the girls I know that went to AU were very attractive, at least…
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
never spent much time in AZ, so will leave it at that. still, i think you are wrong.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
It’s not a matter of right or wrong, it’s a matter of preferences, and I’m just trying to give you a different viewpoint that you won’t get from a bunch of Berkeley alum.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Corvallis is in the middle of BFE nowhere, whereas Berkeley is in the middle of a major metropolitan area, with many cultural, culinary, entertainment, and other opportunities available. Sure, some people prefer quiet, rural areas, but I am pretty sure most 18-year old boys heading to college are looking for an exciting place they can have fun.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
State College and Gainesville are in the middle of nowhere, but PSU and UF did pretty well recruiting. So I don’t htink there’s as much credence to the ‘metropolitan’ area argument as implied.
State college is supposed to be a very decent college town. Being a good “college town” makes up for a lot, for college students at least.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, places like Ann Arbor or State College are exceptional college towns which make up for not being in a good area. I’ve never heard Corvallis talked about as such.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Ann Arbor ain't in the boonies either.
It’s downright urban compared to Corvallis — 114,000 residents compared to 51,000, and within short driving range of Detroit and Chicago. Not to mention that the Maize and Gold have an incredible tradition of excellence that the Beavers don’t have working in their favor.
Even State College, which ain’t exactly urban, is better situated between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh than Corvallis is — assuming a kid enjoys the excitement of the big city.
Portland is probably the LEAST attractive city to a young black kid on the West Coast, and even that isn’t close to Corvallis.
Maize and Gold Blue.
Honestly for college kids Detroit does not play much of a role in Ann Arbor in spite of only being half an hour away. In four years there I can recall going to Detroit twice.
And that’s kind of the point – for a college kid to have fun, being in a metropolitan area isn’t really a factor. It’s about having a good set of bars, a good setup for house/dorm/apartment/whatever else parties in the immediate area, some restaurants, fast food places, etc….all the things you look for in a college town.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
I definitely agree. Being in a major cosmopolitan area is not essential for a great campus life.
On the other hand, if you’re in the middle of nowhere and still have a weak campus life, that’s going to suck. If Berkeley had a weak campus life (which it doesn’t), at least you’ve still got SF and Oakland and all that.
As a Philly resident, I’ll say, State College isn’t close to a city at all. It’s a real hike if you want to do that.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
It’s 3 hours to Philly, 4 to Pittsburgh or NYC, but a tantalizing close 1.5 hrs to Harrisburg. HARRISBURG!
Two hours to Hershey Park, but why go there when it’s only 2 hours to Dutch Wonderland?
The argument isn’t that urban environments necessarily are required for success – simply that for many top recruits being urban is a big selling point. Additionally, the program with being a more rural school (Gainesville, etc) there are tons of other schools that can offer you that college experience. But Cal is one of the very few that can offer a truly metropolitan experience – L.A., Atlanta, Miami are the only others really that offer major college football. (debatably D.C. or Boston if you consider BC or Maryland major football and debatably Austin/Seattle/Phoenix/Nashville depending on your thoughts on those as cities.) So, if you are a player looking for that, you don’t have many choices. However, if you are a player that prefers a small college town, there are about 100 programs to choose – including Oregon, OSU, UA, WSU, the entire SEC (other than Vanderbilt), and as far as I know the entire Big 10 and Big 12 as well.
Rice and Houston are both in Houston. SMU and TCU are in the DFW metroplex. Tulane is in New Orleans.
All of these schools play D-I, but with the exception of TCU, I’d say none of them do that well on the recruiting front.
But there is a huge gap between BCS and non-BCS. Trust me, I thought about all those schools and didn’t include them.
I’m not even really all that sure what I’m arguing against at this point, but I don’t think being in a city equals universal success on the recruiting front. I know you never claimed it had universal appeal, but to the extent recruits want to be big fishes in little ponds, it’s a lot easier in Auburn, AL than even Nashville, TN, let alone somewhere even larger.
OLD JOKE
What is the difference between Corvallis and a yogurt?
Th yogurt has more culture.
by paleodan on Feb 4, 2010 1:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
you've just stolen the iowa joke
what’s the difference between iowa and yogurt?
yogurt has active culture.
Also, how many university of Iowa students does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Non, there’s no electricity in iowa.
And my favorite one, which neatly encapsulates everything I hate about ucla: How many ucla students does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One – she holds it still while the world revolves around her.
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Lame.
Most talented young players prefer living in an exciting urban environment like the Bay Area, LA, Phoenix, Seattle or even Tucson than out in the boonies. Those well established programs that do pull kids out to the sticks are traditional powerhouses (Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc.) where football is religion, and a national championship is an annual possibility. Trying to lure an 18-year-old phenom to the boonies to play at a second-tier program without much prestige or tradition is much, much harder than getting them to go to a major powerhouse program in a similar setting.
Use your noodle. If YOU were the recuiter, do you think you’d have an easier time convincing a young man with many big-time offers to come play for you in Lincoln, Neb., or in Corvallis, Ore.?
Mike Riley is the man. I love my alma mater (Cal) and coach, but Riley really gets more from less than almost anyone in the FBS. Maybe Pat Fitzgerald at Northwestern and Mike Gundy at Okla. State are his closest competition. If Riley took the USC job, the next decade was gonna suck immensely for us and everyone else in the Pac-10.
I’m not sure how this conversation keeps getting distorted so much. How are we comparing Nebraska and OSU from a football standpoint now? Look – I said it way above – if you want to factor in some sort of recruitng disadvantage, fine, but don’t act like recruiting isn’t a coaches job. If a coach isn’t getting the talent, that’s a negative for the coach. Mike Riley doesn’t see the success a coach should to be called the best coach in one of the (maybe even THE) best conference in the country. Simple as that.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Really? You don’t think a bunch of kids who are being recruited for their athleticism and penchant for an active lifestyle would find a setting that facilitates the great outdoors appealing?
Look, our recruits are smart kids, certainly smarter than the ones at a majority of state and private schools, but let’s be honest. Attending the opera, symphony, and other high culture attractions is not something they’re going to be spending a lot of time doing.
I'm not thinking of museums and symphonies...
as the attractions to big cities. I’m thinking more of the vast ethnic neighborhoods, hip hop clubs, pro sports teams, concert venues, etc., that kids actually like.
As someone who moved from Chicago to Canyon Country, CA (Nate Longshore’s hometown) in high school, I can tell you I felt like I’d been exiled to Siberia or something. And kids from the more heavily urbanized areas of SoCal (where the bulk of Pac-10 recruits come from) probably feel the same when they go to the sticks.
Yeah, except I don’t think it is sarcasm though. But here, I’ll explain…
Corvallis:

Berkeley:

by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
No doubt the Berkeley Hills have some of the best views in the country. But that’s not too relevent to the school. If anything, I’d point out the communities around Cal (Oakland, Richmond, etc, not including Berkeley) suck.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree with your concept that the communities around Cal suck. I predict many others will disagree, also.
I think the point is that Corvalis, Or is not a major geographic metropolitan area. Some people might like that fact. I think on the whole, though, it hinders recruitment. People go to LA or Bekerley or Seattle and have 1,001 things to do. In Corvalis, its not quite as expansive.
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People go to LA or Bekerley or Seattle and have 1,001 things to do. In Corvalis, its not quite as expansive.
Maybe, from a college perspective, though, a good college town (even if it’s in the middle of nowhere) is just as fun and great locationwise as being in a big metropolitan area….
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
not that I know much about Corvallis, though my dad did hate it and transferred after a year
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Twist, the guy adores Barry Bonds. There is no point in trying to use logic here.
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you guys are lawyers, you aren’t allowed to use the “L” word
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Now, I take offense to that. I think if you followed my comments throughout the various SBN blogs I visit, you’d find I’m a very reasonable, rational person. Bonds is the man, and as an East Bay native, I dislike Oakland – that city has nothing to offer, I dislike Richmond, I dislike all those other surrounding cities – there’s nothing appealing about them, so what?
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough, I’ll claim ignorance. I don’t think I’ve ever gone to those places (not even sure I ever played @ those places for HS sports)…
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
There are hella good places in Oakland, downtown or otherwise.
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Man
Stop bagging on my City, I love Oakland, it as much more going on than almost any city of comparable size.
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Richmond > Oakland. (Talking about VA this time, not CA)
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Well, in general I do only comment on things I disagree on (what’s the point in commenting just to agree with soemone?), so you may be right….
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
“If you don’t have anything nice to say about anyone, then post it on CGB.”
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Don’t feel special, this is my attitude at McC and GSoM, too. ;)
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
…As what, a baseball player? Sure, I’ll agree to that.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
As a person, as a baseball player, as someone to root for….just overall!
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
as a person? wow. i’m with atomsareenough about bonds being the better baseball player. but as a person? no way. absolutely not.
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by ch0ster on Feb 4, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t even know if I want to follow through with the trap…so whatever, I’ll just throw out that Lasorda is a horrible human being.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
you saying that you think barry bonds is a great person would be like me saying that kobe is a great person…which i don’t believe in the slightest. and i’m a lakers fan!
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you saying that you think barry bonds is a great person
I said Bonds is better than Lasorda and Lasorda is a horrible human being.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
you said “As a person…” among other things. I don’t see any qualifications to that statement.
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Ok, let me rephrase. I said Bonds is better than Lasorda as a person, then I said Lasorda is a horrible person.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, with that being said, I’ll go with Kobe > Bonds – as a person and a player. We can continue arguing over this or just agree to disagree.
We have strayed far quite off the original topic of this entire post, anyway.
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As a person….well, I was going to concede that they’re just different opinions, but I’ve rethought my position, and I’m not giving into rape being less bad than anything Bonds has done…..so I disagree!
As a player, it’s not even close. Bonds was amazing, on such a different level than any of his peers, or almost anyone in history. Kobe’s been the second best player on his own team for most of his career. He’s overrated, a very good player no doubt, but not as good as he’s often credited with. We can really get into the details if you want, but I have to say, your NBA knowledge better be up to par if you want to go down that path…
How did we get into this, anyways…I forget. Oh well. :)
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, MB, you know I’ve gotta leave with a parting shot of my own. Reading Bonds’ personal life section on Wikipedia – steroids, secret mistress, crazy prenups – it’s got it all. Yes, a great man indeed.
Oh, and Go Bears :)
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What did Lasorda ever do to you? Besides beat your miserable baseball team.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Nothing to me, it has to do with him being homophobic, disowning his gay son and denying he had aids, etc.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Look, you’re not going to get me to defend Tommy’s homophobia or poor treatment of his son (which, to be fair, I hadn’t heard about because I don’t follow his personal life). I think the man’s done a lot of good (along with some bad) for the Dodgers, though with regards to the organization, his heart is in the right place and he truly bleeds Dodger blue. I don’t like the role he played with regards having Depodesta fired for example, and I think he should just stick to being a good will ambassador and that’s that. I’ve also heard that he’s very likeable and amiable in person, for the most part. But the man obviously has flaws and failings, and I won’t overlook or excuse them just because he’s a Dodger icon. The same is true for Barry. He’s got major flaws and failings too, and it’s only natural that fans of opposing teams will latch onto them. Hell, probably many Giants fans found him grating. Jeff Kent is certainly no Dodger icon like Barry is for the Giants, but even when he was on the team, I couldn’t stand the guy, not because he used to play for the Giants, but because he seemed like a jackass. I rooted for him to play well, but that was it, and I was glad when he was off the team. I dunno, it’s a complicated relationship we have to the teams we root for, isn’t it?
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Damn, wtf, man, you couldn’t hit enter like once? I mean how hard isit? Its so close to the “l” key. Right there. use your right hand pinky. Just once? I mean c’mon!
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But it’s the THIRD key over from L, Twist! My pinky has to reach over the semicolon and the apostrophe to get to it!
Also, I didn’t have a very clear choice for a topic sentence to start a second paragraph.
Enter.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno, it’s a complicated relationship we have to the teams we root for, isn’t it?
It is a good point. I’m probably way over-defensive of Bonds just because I received too much crap for defending him, but when it comes down to it, sports are just for our entertainment, and it really is an easy time to check all that baggage at the door so we can just be entertained, so you’re certainly right that getting too personal….well, that just ruins the enjoyment of the game for all of us. So you continue being a Dodger fan, I will continue hating you, but for all the right reasons. We’re better off focused on that then the personal failings of our heroes. :)
by Missing Barry on Feb 6, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
San Francisco is <15 miles away and is BARTable, is my point.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, what do you guys like about Oakland?
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Food. Bars. Lack of pretension from citizens. Nice places to run. Hills. Flats. Sports. Conveniently centrally located.
Quantity AND quantity!
Refurbished Fox Theater
Saw Pixies there, great show, great venue
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And don’t forget: The best weather on the face of the earth. Spectacular views. Some beautiful neighborhoods (along with some terrible ones, to be sure). An incredible amount of things to do, both in Oakland (MLB, NBA, and NFL teams, the wonderful Oakland Museum, great parks, rowing on Lake Merritt) and in areas in the immediate area (SF, Berkeley, Marin, Angel Island, etc.). When I worked in SF I chose to live in Oakland. It’s got problems like any big city, but overall it’s a great place to live.
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Dude, don’t you live in WC? The weather on that side of the hills beats the shit out of the weather on the cold side.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
That's just wrong...
Oakland almost never gets warmer than 85 degrees or colder than 45. Everything east of the hills consistently gets hotter and colder.
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thats a pretty stupid photo comparison. i understand your point big city/sleepy town – but thats pretty skewed above.
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Well, I spent like 2 seconds on google image search and you said you understood my point, so, mission accomplished.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, ok, yeah…alright, sure.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
I could have looked for an even more rural picture of Corvallis. At least I picked one with a nice riparian vista.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I think there are things to revere in both photos.
Rural life is not for everyone, or even most, but neither is city life. You may not be able to go to the opera when you live in Corvallis, but you can’t go duck hunting in San Francisco. Of course, Berkeley is not San Francisco, which means it avoids some of its faults, but then again, that leaves it missing many of its virtues. Which you prefer is largely a reflection of your personality as well as your stage in life.
That was my point. It might not be for everyone, but probably a good percentage of 18-year old boys would prefer going to college in Berkeley rather than Corvallis.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
You can drive about 30 minutes to an hour to go duck hunting. I have friends who go duck hunting up in Solano County.
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Dude, my bro has hella NES games he saved from back in the day. But we dont have a NES. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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And you can go to the movie theater to see the Opera. I did it last night (admittedly not in Corvallis) and saw Carmen. It was excellent.
Haha
I can’t tell if that was sarcasm or not, but it was the rebroadcast of the NY Met’s version. So, not a “Waiting for Guffman” type performance.
Sorry
Not sarcasm, I have had season tix to the SF Opera for many years now (keeps Mrs Cugel happy), and I have gradually learned to love and even appreciate it.
But I never listen to CD’s or radio, my experience is much like a 19th Century fan.
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Again, I agree that the experience has to be live. I bought Lady MacBeth of Mtinsk on CD and it’s next to useless.
It truly is muddle instead of music. And if anybody gets that ref Ill fondle the shit out of their balls, because its an epic ref that i LURVE
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Fair enough.
I will say that it is a step above CDs given that it was filmed in HD and actually included a Q&A with the leads, maestro, and choreographer.
Some things were missing of course. One of the best parts of opera, ballet, or the symphony is the buzz of actually being there, seeing everybody and what they’re wearing, and strolling through the building during intermission.
And though I don’t have that much of a baseline to compare it to – my only previous opera attendance experience was at Paris Bastille – the sound quality was not noticeably different and the visuals were better. Plus, tickets were 25-50% the price.
Its like this
To me a good analogy is watching football on TV, or being at the game. Even if they are both live, one is at a remove, and that effects how you respond.
For me seeing the Bears play in person is tremendously exciting, its scary, its real, real people performing for you, anything can happen (like flying RB’s etc.).
I’m completely focused on the game, the whole rest of the world doesn’t exist, and most of that is because its live, and are at the spot where the performers are.
So to, me its more emotional, not so much of a logical, measurable difference.
Oh and I didn’t mean to sound like a douche
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Agreed. Non-live operas are useless, IMHO.
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Operas is an interesting mixture of musical, dance, acting, storytelling. It really has it all.
But a)it tends to be long and b)in another language. And the ones in English are really weird like all the Philip Glass operas (which btw are like 5+ hours long!!)
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I enjoy classical music and theater but opera really, really doesn’t do it for me.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Also, SF Opera simulcasts its operas. I saw Madame Butterfly on Civic Center Plaza and it was brutally cold like fuck and Im never doing it again.
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WHAT???? I WAS THERE TOO!!! This was a couple of years ago, right? When what’s his name had just started at SF opera?
Ya, the dude from Houston. My cuz is an opera director and he was telling me what they gave that dude to lure him over. Ka-ching!
Thats sweet that you were there, too. I nearly left at halftime, bc it was so cold. But the second half rocked, so Im happy I stayed.
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Being able to bring your own food and drink was cool, and in general I appreciated the appeal to the masses. At the end when they rushed over the opera singers on a golf cart to thank the crowd was a nice little detail.
The concerts at Stern Grove have turned out to be a better experience for me, if only b/c it’s during the day and not as freezing.
Stern Grove. Oy! I attempted to go see the ballet for free there. We only got there like 20 minutes early and couldnt find anywhere to sit. So, we left. LAME.
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That’s true, you really have to fight the crowds at these, or come early, or have small and aggressive women in your crowd to push people out of the way. I don’t think I’ve ever sat on the lawn/table part at Stern Grove, and I have this nagging suspicion some of those people pay for those seats.
At halftime?
Man, you see the world through football shaped glasses
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I grew up 20 minutes from Corvallis.
There is no comparison between Berkeley and Corvallis. What I mean is, you can’t compare them. Literally, to try to make any sort of analogy between Corvallis and Berkeley would be futile.
Corvallis: unremarkable town of 30,000 people, grass farming, titanium, battery, and HP plants, Mennonites, mid-teir ag and engineering school of a few thousand, three movie screens, nearest town 15 minute drive, nearest airport 30 minutes, nearest city 90 minutes
Berkeley: world famous city, number one public university of 30,000. Mass transit access to San Francisco, one of the most famous cities on Earth. Opera, doZens of museums, world altering tech and biotech research, Nobel laureates, some of the wealthiest people in the nation, terrifying areas overwhelmed with gang violence, huge parks next to 8 lane highways.
Any comparison between Corvallis and Berkeley is preposterous.
by paleodan on Feb 4, 2010 1:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Can too compare them...
Corvallis::Berkeley
as
Beard hair::Rhinocerous
Quantity AND quantity!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 4, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Do you mean that Cal is more evolved and modified than Corvallis? Like horn is a highly evolved and modified kind of hair?
by paleodan on Feb 4, 2010 5:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So then what you two are saying is he doesn’t actually have less at all….which makes “He’s done more with less” completely and utterly invalid….
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Erickson had three seasons at OSU and went 7-5, 11-1, 5-6, and 8-5. I think you’re overstating how successful Erickson was. It’s pretty much on par with Riley (Arguably worse) and Erickson came in with a significantly higher reputation that would presumably give him an advantage in recruiting.
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Erickson posted a top 5 finish. One ranking in 4 years. Riley has posted 2.5 rankings (2007 they were ranked in the AP but not Coaches) in 7 years, not even including his initial two seasons (both losing seasons). The highest Riley’s teams have ever finished were 18/19.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Hence their comparability. Riley’s more consistent, Erickson had a higher high. Also, I’m not sure how valuable using rankings as a factor is since OSU isn’t really a team that gets much media attention. I’d be more concerned with Pac-10 record or something like that.
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Normally I’d be very accepting of Pac-10 record, but given Oregon State’s penchant for always losing an OOC game (and often being blown out), I don’t think it’s as objective as we’re looking for. I’m all for finding objective measures of success….I just used rankings because it seems to me it most fairly includes things like OOC and bowl games where I believe OSU has underperformed (especially OOC). If you have some other thing to look at, I’m all ears…
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Well…this made me slightly less enthusiastic:
When a Tuscaloosa News reporter mentioned Alabama before the players’ announcement press conference, their handler — a former coach at Allen’s high school who may or may not have been offered a job at Cal — had the reporter kicked out of the restaurant where it was being staged.
I can’t possibly believe that is true – Tedford needs to get out in front of that rumor.
The bolded part seems blatantly just a mud slinging comment dropped in there to make Bama fans feel better about not signing Allen… The guy was kicked out for asking about being offered a job at Cal, so its not like him getting thrown out and Cal are all that related… But who knows… I trust that Tedford is still running a clean program, and just hope that Lupoi and Rope Guy are doing the same under his watchful eye…
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by HOUSE66 on Feb 4, 2010 9:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
My concern actually is not so much that he WAS offered a job (which again, I find impossible to believe) but that the rumor exists. It may or may not be true, but if the rumor is out there, everyone will believe that it is true.
Though, I guess having the untrue rumor out there might not even be a bad thing – future five-stars may think we will hook their coaches up.
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 4, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
“May or may not have been” is just an inflammatory statement to get readers to start posting
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It says he was kicked out for mentioning Alabama, not for asking about a job at Cal.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Ohh whoops
I meant to say “not kicked out for asking”
I knew he was kicked out for asking about Alabama which was the basis for my comment, but totally omitted that “not”
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A source at a school involved with Allen’s recruitment said coaches heard that Yelverton had been offered a job at Cal for steering the player ranked No. 5 overall in the nation, and that Allen’s parents would be moving to California to stay close to their son.
From another article. That goes further than “may or may not” but still leave a lot to the imagination. Offseason drama? Unless someone wants to run to the NCAA or Yelverton ends up in an office at Cal, it was handled exactly right. You don’t entertain that reporter’s questions, otherwise the next minute ESPN has that “may or may not” crap painted all over it. Address it if it needs to be addressed.
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Yo
I’m not saying nuthin, just following the trail. As far as I’m concerned we got Allen over Bama because of the package deal, end of story. The period blood waves can go claw on Saban’s door they’re unhappy about this.
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That’s a complete fucking joke. If you want to know how they come up with these ridiculous ideas, this is actually a common practice in the SEC.
It also should be noted that nothing about offering a job to a HS coach is actually against the rules.
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 4, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what I was about to ask. The recruits didn’t get benefits. I’m unaware of any rules saying that the school can’t offer a legit job to a recruit’s hs coach.
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I’m unaware of any rules saying that the school can’t offer a legit job to a recruit’s hs coach.
Definitely not a rule, as this does happen quite a bit in both basketball and football. I’m pretty sure Arkansas landed all those big time recruits under Nutt that transferred because like 3 of them were from one school and the coach there got hired at Arkansas. Then he got fired and they transferred. Damian Williams was part of that group, I believe.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Eh, reading the Oregononian article about the handler the other day, he just sounds like a guy who provides these kids with a lot of exposure to the rest of the country.
Ha, there are 0 facts in that statement, it’s so blatantly inflammatory. And people wonder why I’m not disappointed in the least bit that the newspaper industry is going out of business. And yeah, if some news reporter came around trying to ruin these kids signing day by harassing them for not going to Alabama, I would kick them out, too. That’s just a low move, let these kids have their moment.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Right...
…..because Cable News is ever so much more reliable.
The point is I want something that is reliable and honest, not the bullshit “journalism” we get from every news medium these days…
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
ummm uh, most of this rumor mongering is from internet newz for kids. print journalism doesn’t have the chance to constantly update and post inane little ideas.
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My impression of it is this originated from a real reporter (who was the one kicked out)? Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong…
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
my bad. tuscaloosa news reporter.
i won’t put too much blame on the reporter, though. not much else to report on for tuscaloosa.
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Except a national championship
Zing!
Seriously, the consensus around here is that Allen was a lock for Bama until Gill got hired at KSU, and his half-brother didn’t gel with the new Buffalo coaching staff. His family wanted the half-brother to get a scholly as part of the deal, and our coaching staff scoffed at that idea. Frankly, we have enough talent to not have the need to give away a scholarship to retain any recruit.
Its sad, really, because on many accounts Allen really wanted to come to Bama, but his family – and his handler – seemed to have control over the situation moreso than KA did. However, his brother was supposedly a pretty legit prospect coming out of high school, so hopefully he will contribute to you guys this year. Allen is a hell of an athlete, we sure wish we had him on the field but don’t care for the potential drama of dealing with his family and handler. Hopefully it won’t be an issue for you guys. Good luck!
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by BamaReturns07 on Feb 4, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know why many Bama fans seem to play the family card like it’s some sort of weird drama/big character red flag that two brothers wanted to go to school together. Especially once you consider that Allen ended up going there with a bunch of his friends, including his Chris Martin, who he became friends with when they roomed together at some football thing. Like….I get that you wanted Allen, I’m glad you’re polite and reasonable about it, but what about going to school with a brother and friends strikes you as potential drama? How has that turned into a mudslinging, personal attack worthy situation?
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I understand that
My point is that we are not going to give a scholarship away to a kid just to entice a family member to come. We wanted Allen, but we don’t NEED Allen, and I think there-in may lie the difference on why Bama fans play the “family card”. We just don’t do that. We have far too much talent to give away scholarships.
If Tedford recruited his brother as well because he legitimately wanted him is fine, but to give away such a valuable scholly – basically a 2-for-1 deal – just doesn’t make sense.
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by BamaReturns07 on Feb 4, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, it may or may not make sense. Let’s assume Maynard will never contribute, and isn’t really expected to. What use would that other scholarship be put to? Is a top 5 national recruit worth giving up a 2/3 star recruit for? Think of it at the margin – the very last scholarship we give out is probably going to our least desired candidate, who isn’t much of a recruit anyways, so is it really that big of a deal to do one time? Doesn’t seem to me like one scholarship out of 85 is really that valuable. Personally, I think a lot of Bama fans are just butthurt they lost a kid to Cal of all places, and a good number of them (from what I’ve read) have turned it personal and nasty….
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
yeah man, I’m sure Bama has never bent a little to pick up a player.
If Tedford recruited his brother as well because he legitimately wanted him is fine, but to give away such a valuable scholly – basically a 2-for-1 deal – just doesn’t make sense.
“If” is a “probably”, since Maynard gives us the chance to enter 2011 with a QB with starting experience.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Not since the Dubose era lol
we cant AFFORD to bend ANY.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 4, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
BTW
What do you mean by mudslinging and personal attack? I did no such thing.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 4, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
I tried to make it clear I wasn’t aiming that at you personally. My bad if I didn’t. But when you have Bama sites saying things like “they may or may not have offered their handler a job”, yeah I consider that mudslinging. Frankly, that kind of thing is bullshit. I may or may not be President Obama…you know?
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
DUDE
Get on Congress to pass the fucking health care bill already! And why the hell are you a Giants fan, Mr. President?? So disappointed. Also, quit posting on CGB and get to work.
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
oh ok
sorry, at work, reading/typing fast. Musta missed it. Anyway, thanks!
Prez!
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 4, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
No, today
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 4, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he looked pretty happy signing yesterday despite having no desire to play for Cal.
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 4, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
the smiles masked his serious mental instability and separation anxiety from his family – i mean that is the only reason why anyone would ever pick Cal over Alabama. Obviously he made a big sacrifice to go to a school with a chance at conference success and the ability to give him a sterling education and pro prospects through development.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Again, not the point
the kid was committed to Bama for quite a while. To drop his committment suddenly, there had to be another reason. Turns out that reason SEEMS to be he wants to play with his brother.
No need to get testy, I never stated Bama had a better education or chance at conference success. Sarcasm is not warranted ;)
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 4, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Turns out that reason SEEMS to be he wants to play with his brother and 3 of his friends (Martin, King, McCain)
:)
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
It seems clear that the other reason was, his brother’s situation changed and he wanted to take the opportunity to play with his brother. Why is that so hard to take at face value?
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I do take it at face value
I never said that wasn’t the case, but that situation in itself is a little odd to me. I guess because we got hit so hard with probationary scholly loss that every scholarship was so completely valuable we couldn’t afford to do this.
However, if the above comment by one of your members is true and he is a legit candidate for starting QB, the argument is moot. I understand that completely.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 4, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
typically 'handler' types don't like berkeley.
there is not the ‘benefit of the doubt’ that football people get elsewhere. and Tedford has a very rigorous class/education program to keep kids on task in school, and not fool’n round gett’n ready for their rap album nfl party.
So, i hope that the kids are ready to grow up, cause that’s one thing Cal does for you. Whatever happens here is on YOUR ASS ALONE.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Feb 4, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
just wait for these kids that want to go to Haas to take BusAd 10, Robinson/Future Goldman Zobies of America are gonna show no mercy :)
I might look like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLMMx3MRi0s
thanks for appreciating the zing, i just have a raging case of west coast bias sometimes. will take care of the guy, you guys have fun. oh, and tell Saban to stop pitching Cody to BB.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Cody needs to get his ass in shape
at least during the season he had a chance at being a run stopper in the NFL, but the guy has got to do better. He even said himself he has a bad case of the midnight munchies.
Hell, forget football. Health wise, 370 isnt good AT ALL. Unless you are eight feet tall.
You play fast, you play strong, you go out there and dominate the guy you play against, and make his ass quit! That's our trademark, that's our MO as a team, aight, that's what people know us as! - Nick Saban, 2008
by BamaReturns07 on Feb 4, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, i give them props on their international news coverage. way ahead of BearTalk.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Unfortunately, BearsWithFangs has a reporter currently embedded in Afghanistan. So, they got us beat there!
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I can have him taken out if you want. One of my buddies is in Afghanistan right now…
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, one of my friends is stationed in Afghanistan, too. That said, lets try not to murder rival bloggers.
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Hey, you’re the one that said murder, not me.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
So, by “take out” you meant to a nice seafood restaurant?
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I meant more to an opium den, but yeah, let’s go with seafood restaurant.
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
i think “buy outs” are in order. the whole sports blog industry is hurting – and it would be wise to merge int’l affairs departments. I can man a desk for the West Sac area.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
That’s good, because a lot of Cal news is breaking in the West Sac area. We’ll need a man on the scene there. Or a woman, if you are a woman.
President Emperor Warlord Of The Sun!
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either or…either or…just hungry to get into the industry.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Out of my deep admiration for the integrity of CGB, I’ll man a desk here in New Orleans for no monetary compensation whatsoever…
Because there’s basically zero Cal news here.
That, and these ignorant assholes feel threatened and get hostile when someone supports a school from another area.
This is California Golden Blogs.
This is NOT a benevolent dictatorship.
by Maisbikkja on Feb 4, 2010 5:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, it truly is evidence of why blogging often deservedly gets no respect. On pretty much the most well-known CFB blog, he is offering what is purely rumor. But it isn’t even a declarative statement for which he could be held accountable, but instead a statement that is 100% true (“He may OR may not”) that serves only one purpose – to mislead people into believe it is 100% true that he was offered a job. That is shoddy work.
LET’S GO BURN HIS HOUSE DOWN!
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
I May or May Not Have Been Offered a Job in Porn...
I also may or may not have been offered the vice presidency in case Joe Biden “resigns.”
And Coach Saban may or may not have sold his soul to Lucifer in exchange for a national championship.
Kiffin is definitely Caligula
Would that make Orgeron the horse he made a Senator?
by Nashville on Feb 4, 2010 8:15 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Caligula....
….actually did a good job his first couple of years, before the STDs, general insanity, paranoia or whatever got to him.
I believe it might have been lead poisoning. He was a heavy drinker and in those days the wine had lethal quantities of lead.
Caligula’s story is truly fucked up. He would invite some of the big names to dinner and while they ate he would take their wives to the bedroom and have sex with them.
In other words, Go Bears!
Heresay or not, the unrrated version of Caligula the movie has actors actually having sex on screen and doing unspeakable things to each other.
Unspeakable? Really, you can’t talk about it?
by atomsareenough on Feb 4, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
I love how almost all the comments above
Have nothing to do with the thesis and bullshit arguments about how Corvallis>>>Berkeley and Allen did something wrong.
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Yeah, your topic was boring, so we created new ones. At least you got like 10 comments about Roman emperor’s I guess….
;)
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
what? the above is a masterful example of structured debating, mediation and logic. i’m proud to have been a participant and contributed 30 or so of my first comments here at CGB.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Not saying the debating was bad. But the topics presented were a little stupid. There’s a long track record of big recruits preferring the Bay Area to Corvallis, and the Allen thing seems failry speculative.
But welcome emiliosCA! Always good to have another contributing member to the site.
Email: bearsnecessities@gmail.com
I agree. Comparing Pac-10 coaches to Roman Emperors is far more intellectually rigorous and worthwhile. And I completely agree with your Julius Caesar / Augustus Caesar analogy. Hail Caesar Augustus!
Snobby Chick - Senior Division
There’s a long track record of big recruits preferring the Bay Area to Corvallis
Yeah, that got a little out of control, wasn’t really supposed to turn into a big Berkeley vs. Corvallis thing….
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
At least it was football and recruiting related, though!
by Missing Barry on Feb 4, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
emiliosCA, firstly, welcome to CGB. We look forward to seeing you around here more.
At CGB, things tend to get off of tangents quickly. Don’t worry about it, just let the river flow.
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sorry, if i gave the wrong impression, but i bathe in tangents. the ability of linear reasoning left me during my time at cal.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
this thread
was hijacked at least 2-3 times.
Can I get a summary of any intellectual bits in here?
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Avinash
Great post, you are right, the rein of Tedford has brought great stability to the program, and that has over time given Cal an edge over more tumultuous programs with instability at Head Coach. The whole SAHPC saga coming to fruition will finally allow us at least be on a more even footing with the other Pac-10, and even the other national powerhouses in recruiting the best players.
One point that I think may Cal fans disregard, is that Tedford is not a static “thing” or “known quantity”, he’s a bright head coach who has the capacity for learning and changing, and maybe doing things differently in the pursuit of the success on the field that we all want.
I for one am glad that he has succeeded in running a clean program, genuinely cares about his players, and has a admirable focus on seeing that his players really get an education while they are at Cal.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Much More than Just Recruiting
I don’t think this recruiting class, especially given the circumstances (Dave forgot if Jim Hanifan, Austin Hinder’s grandfather didn’t go to Cal), suddenly makes Tedford a great coach or absolves him of poor season. His strengths have always been his integrity and loyalty but his loyalty has also been a weakness (see Ayoob, Longshore, Alamar.)
I really hope this amazing pool of talent, especially defensively, takes Cal to the next level -but can we so easily forget that Cal has dropped a level or two in the last three years. Its more like getting Cal back to where it was at least contending for second best in the Pac-10. Recruiting is 75% is a load of crap, look at Bobby Bowden and Florida State which gets recruits no matter what – that guy is nearly senile and his players overperform at the next level see Anquan Boldin and Darnell Dockett because their coaching was so terrible or they were underutilized given their abilities.
Very good and great college programs never blame recruiting or see it as a magic bullet. Cal has had the talent to win but the scheme hasn’t made the most of what they’ve had or adapted. That has got to change. We do lose recruits to Arizona at times. The Boise States, OSUs and Utahs pluck two and three stars and make them better, plug them into a system that adapts to their strengths and minimizes their weaknesses.
Please a Kevin Daft apologist? How is that guy suppose to learn how to coach receivers? Go back to grad school and play the position instead of QB -maybe he could start for UCSD since they don’t even have football, maybe start with intramurals? Steve Marshall, that offensive line was embarrassing much of the year-so much so that you’ve got to question if they fundamentally know what they are doing, many of those guys were 3 and 4 star recruits – yes there was injuries and inexperience but I don’t think their “talent” is what held them back. If they don’t get better, Cal will not get better. The offense needs to be able to stay on the field, sustain drives and be more consistent. Defense needs to stop giving up completions on nearly any pass attempt based on missed assignments, poor tackling, and blown coverages. The offense needs to have an identity, what is it that we will master and try to do well, other than “3 and out.” Special teams can’t give up field position at the 45 four times a game.
I really hope that this class is the link until the golden age with the SAHPC but Tedford’s staff needs to do developing a scheme on both sides of the ball and minimizing the mistakes in special teams.
Ron Rivera for Cal Head Coach. I'm a one man movement!
by bringbackbuddytrees on Feb 4, 2010 5:38 PM PST reply actions
Your signature kind of makes me ignore your possibly valid points.
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Your signature kind of makes me ignore your possibly valid points.
Quantity AND quantity!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 5, 2010 12:28 AM PST up reply actions





















