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Earlier this month Pendergast accepted a job as the Raiders secondary coach. He had spent his last 15 years as an NFL assistant. In his days as Kansas City's DC, he specialized in the 3-4.

Kansas City's SBN site reacts to Pendergast's decision.

Arrowhead pride's story on his initial departure gives some insight on what the fans thought of him. It looks like they really liked him as a DB coach, but as a coordinator he was so-so.

Arrowhead pride with more on his initial departure. Again, they praise his DB coaching.

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That was quick

Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?

by Cugel on Feb 19, 2010 10:00 AM PST reply actions  

I can’t say that I’ve ever heard of this guy before.

Is he good?

by Nashville on Feb 19, 2010 10:04 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Former super bowl DC for Cardinals (yes they lost) and Chiefs comes to Cal. Resume says great hire, what do y’all think?

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by Cugel on Feb 19, 2010 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

Arizona’s defensive efficiency in 2008 (with Pendergast): 23rd in the NFL
Arizona’s defensive efficiency in 2009 (without Pendergast): 12th in the NFL
(Stats from football outsiders)

I can’t say much about this hire other than this: As a 49er fan, Arizona was not known for their defense when SF played them. I can’t begin to say if that’s Pendergast’s fault or not.

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by norcalnick on Feb 19, 2010 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

that was a good change right? right?

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by emiliosCA on Feb 19, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Welcome to Cal Clancy!

Never heard of this guy and he seems to have an up and down resume (according to Wikipedia haha). I hope he ends up being a good hire for the Bears…
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I’m sure someone is already on it, but any additional information on this guy and his past successes/failures/strategies/etc would be greatly appreciated…
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In Tedford we trust, so lets hope that Clancy is a good fit for Cal… We already know his name is a good fit for Cal fans to use for complaints moving forward…

CLAAAAAANNNNNNCCCCYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by CruzinBears on Feb 19, 2010 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

PENDERGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!

by atomsareenough on Feb 19, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Only when their name is Clancy….

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by CruzinBears on Feb 19, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

The answer has to be yes, but did any of these teams run a 3-4?

by Nashville on Feb 19, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

Yes

He ran a 3-4 at Kansas City and a 3-4 part of the time when he was at Arizona.

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by Berkelium97 on Feb 19, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Here’s an article from SBnation’s Chiefs blog from when they hired Pendergast.

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by norcalnick on Feb 19, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Whoa, I screwed up that link. Well, Berkelium put it in the body of the fanshot anyway.

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by norcalnick on Feb 19, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Clancy Pendergast ran the 3-4 in Kansas City, though he was recently demoted after just one year as defensive coordinator. Pendergast also ran a 3-4 part of the time in Arizona in 2008. He was a defensive assistant under Gailey in Dallas, and they worked together for eight months in Kansas City in 2009 before Gailey was fired by first-year head coach Todd Haley.

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by BearStage on Feb 19, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Our nationwide search for a new DC never got out of Alameda County!

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by CalBear81 on Feb 19, 2010 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

oooo, county-wide search – way to be lazy, Bears!

 ;-)

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by BearStage on Feb 19, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

NNNNAAAAAAMMMMMMDDDDDIIIIII

by ShajBear13 on Feb 19, 2010 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

Photo of Clancy Pendergast

Just to have a face to associate w/ the name…

Caption contest begins….
NOW.

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by Ohio Bear on Feb 19, 2010 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

“Look everyone!! See how much buffer and paler I am than Karl Dorrell!”

by atomsareenough on Feb 19, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Real men keep it in their pants.

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by katster on Feb 19, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Is the Rose Bowl THIS WAY … ?

by sec119 on Feb 19, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

“I’ve got your blitz package in my pants!”

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by Ohio Bear on Feb 19, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

You wanna see my BEND BUT DON'T BREAK beeotch!!!

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--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

KREESE: Sweep the leg. You have a problem with that?
JOHNNY: No, Sensei.

by daveman on Feb 19, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

i was hoping for rex ryan… lol no but this guys seams to be what we needed and thats a 3/4 guy so hopefully it works

by 4Ever Golden on Feb 19, 2010 10:42 AM PST reply actions  

his wiki page says he has experience at USC, Oklahoma, and Miss St. He has a better resume than many current Cal coaches…

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 10:57 AM PST reply actions  

Right on.

And Haley took Pendergast with him to KC for a reason. He didn’t have to. The hiring of Romeo and demotion of Clancy P. may not necessarily have been Haley’s decisions.

Neither the Cards or Chiefs have been loaded with defensive talent. You could argue that the biggest reason Arizona’s defensive stats improved in ‘09 (after Pendergast left) was because they finally added a running game to their offense and relieved pressure on the D. I’m just putting that out there — not that I’ve actually even looked at any stats. Just thinking that Beanie and Hightower must have been better than Old Edge was in 2008.

Just having someone who knows the 3-4 and has plenty of pro experience will be a huge plus for our program. Imagine the recruiting advantage we’d have had this year if we made this hire months ago, being able to tell George Uko and other D-studs that our DC knows what it takes to prepare them to play at the next level.

Wow. Until he proves otherwise, Pendergast is the best DC in the world IM(biased)O.

by Monica's Dad on Feb 19, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Just thinking that Beanie and Hightower must have been better than Old Edge was in 2008.

Tim Hightower is the man. So….yes.

by Missing Barry on Feb 20, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow…Arrowhead Pride has a dude with the usename HIV 2 Elway:

Go Bears by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 19, 2010 1:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/2/19/1317850/former-chiefs-coach-pendergast#31052785

Must be an Old Blue.

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--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 11:03 AM PST reply actions  

I’m sure Tedford knows what he’s doing…but it’s clear that while Pendergast might be a good DC for us, there’s nothing outstanding on his resume (relative to other coaches on his level).

by HolmoePhobe on Feb 19, 2010 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

rec'd

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Feb 19, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

word. That’s a February bowl!

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--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh come on. Arizona didn’t go to the Super Bowl because of their defense, any more than Indy went this year because of their running game.

by HolmoePhobe on Feb 19, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

The cards made it through the playoffs with the help of their defense, which was horrifyingly bad during the last half of that particular year.

by Shadwhand on Feb 19, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

and because Mike Martz is a dumbass

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Their playoff opponents averaged 4 turnovers a game. Delhomme threw 5 picks and they still only beat the Panthers by one score. People like to talk about defenses playing aggressively or “playing for turnovers”, but when someone a QB throws 5 picks it’s almost always because of the QB himself, not the defense.

by HolmoePhobe on Feb 19, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Correction they beat the Panthers by 20 points

cmon now, so you are saying every pick by a QB is the fault of the QB? That it had nothing to do with pass rush, disguising coverage, good play calls by the DC, good coaching to ensure the DB’s were in their right places?

I would like to see what the Cards playoff opponents average number of turnovers was during the regular season. Averaging four turnovers a game in the playoffs (which usually means you are going against the better offensive teams in the NFL) is a tough thing to do and impressive.

by SDBear on Feb 19, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

You’re right, I was confusing it with the Eagles game.

I don’t think it’s 100% the fault of a QB, but if team A’s QB throws 5 picks, it seems like a stretch to say that team B’s defense won the game for them.

by HolmoePhobe on Feb 19, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

That makes no sense to me. So, the more success the D has, the less you credit them?

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by TwistNHook on Feb 19, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s like you didn’t even read my comment.

Interceptions aren’t all due to smart defensive moves like Porter in the Super Bowl. As a Cal fan, you should have plenty of memories of quarterbacks flinging the ball into a pack of DBs about 20 feet from the nearest receiver.

To return to the original point upthread – just because a team wins games doesn’t mean it has a good (defense/running game/special teams/whatever). The 2008 Cardinals are a good example of that, as were the 2008 Steelers, and the 2009 Colts.

by HolmoePhobe on Feb 19, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Got it...

So what you’re saying is Clancy Pendergast may or may not have had a positive influence on the Cardinals 2008 defense, as seen by turn overs stats…

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by CruzinBears on Feb 19, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I may or may not be Clancy Pendergast.

by atomsareenough on Feb 19, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

All I’m saying is that the Cardinals going to the Super Bowl may not necessarily mean that the Cardinals had a good defense.

by HolmoePhobe on Feb 19, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

But it may have been? right?

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by CruzinBears on Feb 19, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you are confused once again

Interceptions aren’t all due to smart defensive moves like Porter in the Super Bowl.

Porter was not on the last Steelers team to win a SB. I believe you are getting Porter mixed up with James Harrison. Harrison was the one who intercepted the ball and raced 100 yards for a score.

by SDBear on Feb 19, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Think he meant Porter on the Saints. Wasn’t he the one that picked Manning?

by Nashville on Feb 19, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

To the film room!

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by norcalnick on Feb 19, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Good Grab

If you’re a top DC in the NFL, your next step is HC in the NFL…not DC in college.

by DavidsonBear on Feb 19, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

there’s nothing outstanding on his resume (relative to other coaches on his level).

I speculate Cal Football’s budget for assistant coaches isn’t at the level of Cal’s peers. Thus, I think the best guys Cal fans can hope for are guys like Clancy, Ludwig, Marshall, Cignetti, etc. and hope they continue to find diamonds in the rough like Lupoi.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I speculate Cal Football’s budget for assistant coaches isn’t at the level of Cal’s peers.

It’s not, we had a post about this a while ago. Cal spends less on assistants than most other schools (but still spends a decent amount on coaches overall because Tedford gets paid the big bucks).

by Missing Barry on Feb 19, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

that’s because I posted it.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Cal spends less on assistants than most other schools because you posted that Cal spends less on assistants than most other schools?!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 19, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s like you didn’t even read his comment.

Cal still spends a decent amount on coaches overall because Tedford gets paid the big bucks, because Carp posted it.

by sec119 on Feb 19, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, its not “like” I didn’t read his comment…

HYDROTECH FOR DC

by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 19, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that’s just confusing that you’d speculate on something you know since you posted actual research on it. Geez.

by Missing Barry on Feb 19, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not sure it is a budget thing or if Tedford likes the less heralded guys in his program.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

If there’s one thing I’ve learned from watching the college coaching carousel, it’s that what happens in the NFL doesn’t necessarily mean beans at the college level and vice-versa. They’re just totally different animals. He could be an amazing college d-coordinator. We’ll just have to find out. The fact that people raved about his secondaries is encouraging considering our secondary’s epic fail this year.

by suessbear on Feb 19, 2010 11:06 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

what happens in the NFL doesn’t necessarily mean beans at the college level and vice-versa

This.

See Carroll, Pete.

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by Ohio Bear on Feb 19, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep very true indeed and I am also encouraged that

coaching DB’s seems to be one of his strengths, as Cal could use all the help they could get in this area.

by SDBear on Feb 19, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus recrutiing is huge in college, any evidence he can recruit well? Not like Cal really needs him with Tosh recruiting for the defense….

by Missing Barry on Feb 19, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

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by HydroTech on Feb 19, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if he’ll want/be able to bring in one or more of “his guys” to be asst d coaches.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

I assume the quickness of this means that Tedford knew BG was going to leave for a while now, independent of whose decision that was.

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by TwistNHook on Feb 19, 2010 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

and

that he thought about replacements

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

More or less, yes.

by Cali49a on Feb 19, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

That seems to be the likely inference.

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by HydroTech on Feb 19, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Or

it didn’t hurt that Pendergast was in town having played a stint at giving al davis a sponge bath.

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by emiliosCA on Feb 19, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Potential landing spots for Pendergast are unclear at the moment. He’s been “relieved of his duties” from his last two defensive coordinator stints in as many years so I would be a bit surprised if he was anything more than a position coach in 2010.

Uh, this doesn’t bode well does it? But I guess that’s in the NFL.

by daveman on Feb 19, 2010 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

Depends on the source of said block quote…

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by CruzinBears on Feb 19, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey Clancy!

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by norcalnick on Feb 19, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

We'll try and have something on Pendergast ASAP

Right now, keep on discussing him here.

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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 19, 2010 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

I have something on my blog

so if they want to find out more, they can check that out

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by MadBum on Feb 19, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

looks like your blog’s down if this is the correct address:
http://since59.blogspot.com/. Go Bears!

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--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

ah, nevermind

c+p fail

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Feb 19, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

BAARRRRFFFFF!

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by emiliosCA on Feb 19, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

for smashing hopes. KC was #31 in d against the run in 2009 with Pendergast, but… #30 in 2008 and #28 in 2007 – seems like personnel to me.

It doesn’t seem he made much a difference in defending the pass at least in YPG. Pts/G didn’t change much between the 2008 and 2009 seasons for KC 26.5 and 27.something. I think he just had crap to work with.

That said, its the most I’ve looked at stats in a while. I don’t even know what his approach was, or whether he was getting anywhere with developing the defense – i mean he only had a season.

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by emiliosCA on Feb 19, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

):

Yeah, I saw it as the lack of talent. He had crap to begin with, but the guy’s a DB coach. I think he’ll improve our secondary.

"But it only takes five future unabombers to take what should be a 400-comment thread and turn it into a 1,200-comment one full of anger… anger I suspect has more to do with the fact that they can’t land the hot chick rather than the fact that we signed Aubrey Huff instead of gave Garko a chance after dealing away a supposedly valuable prospect for him." -mlb22
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by MadBum on Feb 20, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

We will?

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by TwistNHook on Feb 19, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, that piece doesn’t really back up any points about his style with references to facts.

Vague conclusory statements! CGB’s favorite!

by calbeers05753 on Feb 19, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t even like things that are conclusory!

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by TwistNHook on Feb 19, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I may or may not like vague conclusory statements!

by sec119 on Feb 19, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Conclusory statements that are vague are definitely something that I may or may not have an affinity towards

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by CruzinBears on Feb 19, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

wut

“This is the ultimate flex defense.”

… and wut:

“Cardinals Defensive Coordinator Clancy Pendergast desires to succeed but the Defense is not consistent, they do get turnovers in his high risk high reward- bend don’t break schemes, but they should do better with the talent Cards defensive players possess.”

contradiction much?

by the CGB on Feb 19, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

why did you just scare me purposely?

by EchoOfSilence on Feb 19, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Don’t ever post anything suggesting he runs that horrible phrase again!

by Missing Barry on Feb 20, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Aggressive D
The signature of Pendergast’s defenses during his tenure as an NFL defensive coordinator was the ability to force turnovers, with his six squads racking up a combined 176 total takeaways (92 interceptions, 84 fumble recoveries). For the five-year period from 2004-08, his Arizona teams ranked eighth in the NFL by forcing 148 turnovers (77 interceptions, 71 fumbles).

“We want to play smart, tough and aggressive,” said Pendergast. “Those will be the three keys.”

http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/021910aaa.html

The release is homer-warm and fuzzy, but I am going to stay optimistic about this. Yeah, this guy has been shuffled around for a while, but most of his recent career has been at the NFL level. Its hard to know how he will translate at Cal.

Pendergast was dropped off when Crennel came into KC, joining Weis and Pioli to make it a little Pats reunion party – its not like he was kicked out solely based on performance. And I am excited to see if he can get the same results out of our D that he got with his time at the Cards – at least the turnover part (just read the comment above mine – yikes). Not that its relevant whatsoever, but the cards in the NFC playoffs were definitely propped by their defense making some plays for the ball.

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by emiliosCA on Feb 19, 2010 11:05 PM PST reply actions  

umm… are some of you guys serious?

this guy has a much better resume than a lot (all but Kiffin?) of Pac-10 DCs and worked his way up as a DC in the NFL… this is a much better job than the DC at a Pac-10 school with no little football tradition/monster $$$

and the D played a huge part in the Arizona Super Bowl run. of course, the talent on AZ was playing out of its mind.

just another coach who can point to NFL experience for recruiting … and it didn’t take too long; Bears can get back to practicing.

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by Thoroughbred on Feb 20, 2010 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

Of course they’re serious! They’re Cal fans, they overthink everything!

(Either that or they’re stoned while posting.)

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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 20, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't Discount the Resume - How Did I Miss All This Gregory Leaving

Arizona always had horrible defense but the fact they made the Superbowl run was strictly because the defense outplayed expectations. Jake Delhomme still hasn’t recovered from what the Cards did to him. A La Gregg Williams (of the Saints Superbowl Win), Pendergast seems willing to attack, live with the risks, and create short fields for the explosive offense (the new NFL model – Cal still working on offense that can stay on the field.)

This guy has a legit resume. Yes Haley demoted him, but he also brought him with him from Arizona when he got the job originally, so I think that attests to the confidence in his abilities. The fact he specializes in DBs would be super because Gregory clearly did not. I hope he’s better than Marshall but I think the NFL resume will only help recruits – I have to say its a better resume than Gregory, more experience with the 3-4, so it stands to be a big upgrade.

Go Clancy go! Sounds almost as smooth as Teddy Pendergass or Terry Pendleton.

by Sick_tosh_on_'em on Feb 22, 2010 6:05 PM PST reply actions  

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