Remembering Bob Gregory's Time at Cal: Underwhelming, Yet Underappreciated
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I gotta admit, it's going to be strange watching the Cal defense this fall without Bob Gregory making the calls. Gregory was the last stalwart from the 2002 Tedford makeover (not including Ron Gould, who predates Tedford), and he had become just as much a fixture on the Golden Bear landscape as our esteemed head caoch. When fans got emotional about the results on the field, they rushed to point fingers not just at the head coach but his primary lieutenant--some of it fair, but much of it probably unjust. We're all going to have to adjust to this strange new world that might not include the terms BBDB, 3 man rushes, and whatever else Old and Young Blues alike have griped about on D for nearly a decade.
We would never see Gregory do any of the typical coaching cliche things. There was nothing unorthodox about the way he went after other teams--personnel would dictate scheme. In other words, if we had good players our defense would rock. If it didn't, it would get rocked.
As fans, we've probably felt that way the past three years. We would see our team jump out to a 14-0 lead, then the Bears would drop eight into soft zone coverage and try to protect the big play. VandyImport pointed out the co-dependency between offense and defense.
I think more than “bend but don’t break,” Gregory’s success was largely dependent on…the offense. When you can rack almost 40 minutes ToP and hang five touchdowns a game, it frees the defense to wheel and deal and be fresh later and more visually spectacular. Ever since the meltdown of 2007, the defense hasn’t had any help to speak of; the 2008 team could make it up on talent but that obviously wasn’t there this year in the same measure.
I don't say that as an indictment of poor defensive coaching; it was just the way Gregory did things (and the way a LOT of DCs do their business)--make them work for the lead rather than taking too many risks. Whether this approach discouraged our defense is something that anyone can debate, but how many times have you seen our defense fall apart late in games?
Gregory never struck me as a great coordinator or a bad one. He always seemed... I guess 'adequate' was the best word. I was never awed by his defensive strategies. Most of us casual fans could predict a lot of what was coming (play heavy against the run on 1st and 2nd down, drop into coverage on 3rd down; if we saw anything different from that it was a total surprise). I could feel what the offense was trying to do to counteract that, and we all just hoped it worked out for the best.
For a long time it did, but it looks like this past season other teams finally figured out how to exploit his tendencies. Perhaps it was the perfect time for him to move on--with the Pac-10 trending younger and with new and fresh blood coming in, it seems like a good time for Cal to change direction and move forward with a different, more aggressive approach. Tosh Lupoi and Tedford have both hinted at such changes since the end of the season; Gregory's departure will probably hasten the movement.
As a Cal fan, you always knew what you were getting from Gregory's defenses. He always made it clear his first job was to stop the run. With a brief interlude in the middle of the decade, they did that very well.
Running YPG from 2004 to 2009: 82.5 (2nd), 119.17 (24th), 125.38 (47th), 164.46 (68th), 122.23 (26th), 111.85 (23rd)
Running YPA from 2004 to 2009: 2.69 (5th), 3.34 (26th), 3.79 (53rd) 4.02 (59th), 3.21 (15th), 3.34 (19th)
Not too bad. One great year (2004), three solid seasons (2005, 2008, 2009), two average years (2006 & 2007). Gregory did his job there.
But what about the other side?
Passing YPG from 2004 to 2009: 238.4 (89th), 240.4 (82nd), 240.8 (103rd), 214.4 (38th), 193 (38th), 266.1 (111th)
Passing YPA from 2004 to 2009: 6.7 (45th), 6.3 (25th), 7.4 (80th), 6.3 (34th), 5.8 (10th), 7.6 (86th)
Passer rating from 2004 to 2009: 116.77 (42nd), 112.86 (25th), 122.12 (50th), 121.46 (49th), 98.47 (6th), 137.35 (91st)
Eh. You can see that Cal was more than happy to give up the short pass, and banked on our guys forcing turnovers and punts to stop the offense in its tracks. This strategy worked out alright in 2006 and 2008, but fell apart in 2007 and 2009 when we faced pretty good quarterbacks who protected the ball and coaches with better designed gameplans. Jake Locker, Jeremiah Masoli, Jordan Wynn, Sean Canfield, Willie Tuitama, Chris Turner all torched the zones, and the Bears let these crucial games slip out of their reach. Although last year could've been an anomaly, we have seen peculiar meltdowns of this sort before against average to mediocre quarterbacks (couple that with our recent QB struggles and it's no wonder Cal fans always grumbled about Gregory's gameplans).
Now that he's gone though, let's also remember the positive things we have of Cal's defense under his tenure. In 2004 his defense shut down the best USC team of the decade, holding them to a mere 23 points and giving Aaron Rodgers the chances he needed to pull us to victory; in 2005 they held the unstoppable USC offense to their lowest output of he season. They blanked the state of Arizona through three meetings in 2004 and 2005. They obliterated a surging 5-0 Oregon team in 2006 and took advantage of every break to beat them in 2007. In 2008 they flexed their muscle again in a new 3-4 set...only to again have the misfortune of rolling through the best USC defense of the decade and dealing with a handicapped offense on the other side. And they made one final hurrah in 2009, shutting down a scorching Cardinal offense to recapture the Axe.
We've also had a lot of good players pass through during our time, many of them who sailed off toward the pros. Brendan Mebane, Desmond Bishop, Zack Follett, Dante Hughes, Thomas Decoud, Matt Giordano, Lorenzo Alexander, and what looks to be two more in Tyson Alualu and Syd'Quan Thompson--all of them have been or could be playing on Sunday, and it's hard to say Gregory didn't play an integral part in their development. Not many defensive coordinators in college can say they put that many players in the pros. We've had a lot of special individual defenders pass through Memorial this past decade, and Gregory is partly responsible for bringing them in and teaching them what they need to succeed at the next level. This sticking point of developing pro athletes will hopefully resonate with future recruits, and will remain our former DC's most lasting accomplishment.
So, will we miss Gregory? California Pete probably put into words what most fans were feeling.
Gregory was a very solid coach for Cal, and I’m one of many who think his defenses were under-rated, especially 2005’s. He was instrumental in helping Tedford create the Cal program that exists today, and his contributions should always be appreciated.
That said, I’m not super concerned by his departure, whatever the reasons. With a stellar recruiting class about to arrive, along with new facilities and a suddenly wide-open Pac-10 now that Carroll’s dominant Trojans are no more, this might be the ideal time to start afresh.
It's a strange new world for Cal fans. Who knows what surprises lie ahead.
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In other words, if we had good players our defense would rock. If it didn’t, it would get rocked.
Yup. My feeling is that good coaches get more production than the talent level of the players would suggest, and bad coaches get less production than the talent level of the players would suggest.
Gregory always got exactly the level of production out of his players that their talent would suggest. He was the definition of average. It’s a shame that so much vitriol was aimed his way from Cal fans looking for a scapegoat for a 7/8 win season.
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well a little heat would have been nice
on the field
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Underwhelming, Yet Underappreciated
flippin nailed it
HYDROTECH FOR DC
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 17, 2010 11:28 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Yup, that headline basically tells the who story
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 18, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
JO briefly spoke to Tedford about it before Tedford had to leave to interview a candidate
From tonight’s Tiny Bates Award Banquet in Sacremento
Just got done with the Tiny Bates Award banquet here in Sacramento. I have not been able to reach Bob Gregory today, but did speak with Jeff Tedford here tonight. He emphasized that this was strictly Gregory’s decision and that he wanted Gregory back as defensive coordinator. Tedford said Gregory is making the move to lighten his workload to spend more time with his two young boys. He said Gregory’s priorities have changed and has decided to focus more on his family. Not being a coordinator will allow him to do that.
Tedford wouldn’t name any names of potential replacemnets for Gregory, but did leave the banquet early to interview a candidate back at Cal late tonight. Tedford said a decision should come soon, possibly as early as Thursday.
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
I can relate to Bob, if this is indeed the true reasons. I feel like I’ve flashed the potential to be wunder chemist, but I don’t want to put in the 100 hours a week to do so when I have a smokin’ hot wife and a great 6 month old. It’s not worth it. 40-50 hours, sure, but 100 is too damn much. We’ll see if I sink.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
+1000
I hear ya, brother. You’re making the right decision and I think you’ll be far, far happier.
I did the same thing with my practice when the babies showed up. I cut down on hours so that I could more time to spend with the girls. (and smokin’ hot Mrs. Kod, too)
There’ll be plenty of time to go balls to the wall full-out workaholic when the kids are older and don’t want to hang out with me. For right now, I wouldn’t trade any of that family time for anything.
Tedford said Gregory is making the move to lighten his workload to spend more time with his two young boys. He said Gregory’s priorities have changed and has decided to focus more on his family.
by Cali49a on Feb 17, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Tedford said a decision should come soon, possibly as early as Thursday.
That line is funny because CalBears.com said a national search was being conducted. The national search for Genyk took around 2 weeks. With a national search for the DC and what has just been reported, either JT conducted his national search in a day, which is possible, and got lucky with his first interview candidate or Gregory’s departure has been known for a while.
I have a good idea of who JT is considering and I think people will be happy. Wait, most people are never happy with our Coordinators anyway, so I’ll be happy with this choice.
Care to share...
who you think it’ll be?
by BeareatsTacos on Feb 18, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
either JT conducted his national search in a day, which is possible, and got lucky with his first interview candidate or Gregory’s departure has been known for a while.
Or, if Gregory’s departure hasn’t been known for awhile, JT already had a short list of people he would want as a DC in the event Gregory left.
I am a Vereenian.
Given that JT and BG have known each other for a long time and are supposedly friends, I’d imagine that if BG was thinking about quitting he would’ve given JT the heads-up so he would have time to find a replacement and wouldn’t be left scrambling before the season.
by atomsareenough on Feb 18, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
I voted "sad to see him go, but felt like it was time"
He belongs in that “good but far from great” category of coaching. A coach who would play it safe but never seemed to strike fear into opposing offensive coaches. The fact that he was at Cal for 8 years and was never seriously considered for another HC job (he interviewed for WSU back in 07 but didn’t seem like a serious contender for the job) or a higher profile DC position at another CFB school or NFL job is an indictment of his average coaching abilities as a DC.
I was upset with our defensive performances this year but was willing to give him another year to turn it around. The two things that upset me the most this year was: the constant juggling of LB’s throughout the season and what seemed like a lack of progress (even regression by some) by our defensive players throughout the year. After the stanfurd victory I thought our defense was turning the corner but sadly I was very, very very wrong.
It seemed like Gregory was willing to sell out to stop the run and stop it all cost but did not give that same type of effort against the pass.
I wish Gregory well in the future but I truly believe it was time for both Gregory and Cal to move on in a different direction.
Wilner, who never hesitates to throw a low blow in Cal’s direction, called Bob a good coach.
It’s hard to believe that Tedford outright pushed Gregory out the door, and it’s clear that both men don’t want that to be the perception. Gregory didn’t return a message left on what now may be an outdated cell phone, and Tedford didn’t immediately reply to a text message.
Said Tedford in the official statement: "This was coach Gregory’s decision all the way to make what he feels is the best move for his family."
Said Gregory: "This decision is a great move for my family."
Not to be insensitive on this, but let’s consider the recent case of Dave Ungerer, who was hired this week to be Washington State’s new special teams/running backs coach.
Last February, Ungerer “left” Oregon State, reportedly to be closer to his family on the East coast. He coached at Elon College in North Carolina in 2009.
Beavers coach Mike Riley replaced Ungerer with Bruce Read, a longtime Riley assistant — and friend — who had been fired by the Dallas Cowboys at the end of the 2008 season.
Sometimes coaches make tough decisions and they’d prefer not to go into the details why.
I offer you NOFX’s Bob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUIJIdwEuA&feature=related
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Also from Ted’s blog entry:
Gregory did a good job at Cal. He rebuilt the Bears defense and his units were among the Pac-10 leaders in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2008.
You could argue, in fact, that Cal has had the conference’s second-best defense during his tenure
Bob Gregory 2002-2010 R.I.P. (in Boise)
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its nice to see some level-headed judgement of gregory. i’m honestly excited to see some change in the defensive philosophy – not to criticize the previous approach. obviously there were ups and downs as seasons went, but there was a long-term consistency, maybe more stability, in the D under gregory’s guiding hand. i’ll keep my fingers crossed that if the approach is shaken up, the defense shows at least a good year of development with so much talent and potential coming into 2010.
"It’s not a good car and not a good boat, but it’s the best car-boat ever made"
Are we going to have a "potential replacements" write up?
Some people have mentioned Ron English, that is not happening. Ron has wanted to be a HC and he has finally gotten his chance. I don’t think Ron has any long term experience with the 3-4 defense. Plus I was never really impressed with his Michigan defenses.
My dream coaches would be:
Ron Rivera – DC of the San Diego Chargers, obviously he has the Cal connection, is known for his creative blitz packages, and has experience running a 3-4 defense. Unfortunately, he seems like a NFL guy who is aiming for a HC position in the NFL. Coming to Cal as the DC would be a step down for him.
Greg Manusky – DC of the San Francisco 49ers, has a lot of coaching experience and has worked with some really good/great LB’s in his career. He has experience coaching in the 3-4 and is already in the bay area.
I think Tosh, although young deserves a real shot at as the DC. I know he doesn’t have a lot of experience but he is respected by his players, passionate, hard working, and familiar with Cal.
Justin Wilcox DC for UT – Did a great job at Boise State. He was also the LB coach at Cal under Gregory before going to BSU. He also played football at Oregon. I have been really impressed with him and his defenses at BSU. The only real knock on him is the lack of 3-4 coaching experience and seems more like a 4-3 guy. Could he ditch UT for Cal, why not? We all know coaching contracts aren’t worth the paper they are written on. We got Ludwig after he bolted Utah for KState.
Ron English
went 0-12 last season. He’s on the hot seat. And considering he was fired from has last two positions (DC at Louisville, DC at Michigan), unless he brings EMU to a 12-0 turnaround, I think he’d consider himself lucky to get a DC job at Cal.
by BeareatsTacos on Feb 18, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think he was fired from Louisville or Michigan
he wasn’t retained at Michigan after Lloyd Carr left and RR came in. Standard practice that a new HC usually brings in his own coaching staff.
At Louisville, it seemed like Kragthorpe wanted to keep him but English interviewed for the EMU job and once he was offered he left.
Yes you’re right about Louisville, sorry I mixed up when Kragthorpe was fired.
Even though it is standard practice that a HC brings in his own staff, it’s not unheard of to keep performing coaches (ex: Coach Gould when Tedford came in). You did say yourself his Michigan performance wasn’t exactly overwhelming.
And neither fact changes the 0-12.
That said, I’m not sure he’d be the best DC we could get. But I wouldn’t rule him out if Tedford feels English is underrated.
by BeareatsTacos on Feb 18, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
In retrospect it looks like RR and Michigan are regretting letting English walk
as Michigans defense has been TURRIBLE since English left. Greg Robinson is a terrible DC and will probably get RR fired after this season.
The 0-12 record at EMU doesn’t mean much to me. EMU isn’t exactly a high profile school or even an upper echelon MAC program. Yes, 0-12 isn’t the best thing for job security but English will (atleast should) have atleast 3 years to start showing some improvement.
I just feel English isn’t the best fit for Cal, as he tends to favor a 4-3 scheme.
Rivals gave him Defensive Coordinator of the Year while at Michigan (’07?), and several articles have praised his player rapport.
The interesting question is this: What’s the best way to get a HC job at a Big 6 conference? The answer is either a) succeed at a non-auto qualifying BCS school or b) be a stud coordinator on a Big 6 conference team. He’s already been b) twice. I think he stays at EMU not because a) is such a good option but because he’s dedicated to the cause of getting EMU off the schneid. One wouldn’t want the label “0-12” as their only HC experience.
For what it’s worth, it would likely take a handsome some ($500k?) to get English since he’s making $300 k and living in eastern Michigan (shudders). Personally, I’d take a pay cut to come back to the yay.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
I think English won DC of the year in 2006, when Michigan went undefeated until the Ohio State game. The Michigan 2007 defense wasn’t bad, but people also remember that they got torched by Appalachian State.
English would bring the sort of passion and fire that we generally associate with a guy like Harbaugh. As a former Cal player (he played for Bruce Snyder), I’d hope he has some affection for the alma. I just can’t see him bolting from his first HC gig after just one year. But if he does, how about the odd coincidence that we would have the last two Eastern Michigan HCs on our staff?!? That would be craziness watercube.
I am a Vereenian.
As I recall, Michigan ran a 3-4 with English. I could be wrong about that, but when Gregory decided to go to the 3-4, I remember thinking it would have been a lot easier just to hire English.
by Tedfordisgod on Feb 18, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
promote from within?
I know Tosh has gotten a lot of press (deservedly so) for his recruiting, but I think he’s still a couple of years away. What about Thompson or Simmons? Neither are coming off of resume-building years, but they would maintain continuity and show Tedford’s willingness to promote from within.
I’m surprised there’s not more chatter about candidates. Is it in the DBD or somewhere else?
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by dballisloose on Feb 18, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure if this was mentioned last night but David Sewright tweeted the following last night
Not only did we lose our defensive coordinator today, but because of the news our spring practice will be delayed.
@NorCalScott That’s exactly what we were told as well. Can’t say I blame him either. That job is all consuming.
Depends how long hiring the new DC takes. RT @NorCalScott: @DavidSeawright practices delayed, any idea of date of Spring Game?
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Better find a 3-4 guy
Or we’ll have some unhappy parents and incoming players.
Will hold of speculating on how the D will play next year. I honestly see a lot of room to both the up- and downside.
Cooler than a Polar Bear's toenails.
It seems to me like it’s kind of late in the process and we might have trouble finding a good DC candidate for this upcoming season, which concerns me. Thoughts?
As suggested earlier, this has probably been ready to happen for quite some time. Tedford said an announcement could be made as early as today, so hopefully we won’t be left hanging.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 18, 2010 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, that makes me less concerned if that’s true.
by Missing Barry on Feb 18, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Underwhelming, Yet Underappreciated
It seems to me that Bob Gregory was a perfect living representation of the Cal football program under Tedford.
Pretty good. Definitely better than some perceived. Moments of real dominance. But never quite able to make that leap to consistently high-level performance.
Whether he was the cause or the effect is up for debate. Certainly one thing is true, his defenses probably won as many games for us as they lost.
The next guy may be better or worse, but I doubt that any new DC will provoke the same level of exasperation, confusion, and disparaging compliments or supportive insults the way Gregory did.
Whose Axe?
OUR AXE!
The next guy may be better or worse, but I doubt that any new DC will provoke the same level of exasperation, confusion, and disparaging compliments or supportive insults the way Gregory did.
please, don’t ask for too much.
by EchoOfSilence on Feb 18, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe so, maybe not. Not to be critical (see previous posts), but one way I’ve looked at last season from a defense perspective is that Gregory’s conservative approach may have been dictated by Tedford. Knowing that we didn’t have a passing game to keep up with shoot out-type of game, he may have been intentionally conservative. On top of that, we didn’t have anyone to fill Follett’s big play abilities. Was that poor coaching, recruits not panning out, or poor planning?
I think we’ve been perennially out-manned. It seems like we have a smattering of A-level and C-level players. With that skew, offenses can expose our D too easily. Either we need (and hopefully now have) more A-level players or turn the C’s into B’s. Again, is it coaching, players not panning out, or poor recruit planning?
In other words, the new guy maybe just as susceptible to the same level of criticism if the offense doesn’t get more consistent and dependable.
I would agree with pretty much everything you have stated.
Since a lot of people tend to lust for and prefer conspiracy theories when the answers are really a lot simpler than they want to believe, you pretty much nailed the problem:
I think we’ve been perennially out-manned. It seems like we have a smattering of A-level and C-level players. With that skew, offenses can expose our D too easily. Either we need (and hopefully now have) more A-level players or turn the C’s into B’s.
Not to put words into your mouth, but the use of your phrase “perennially out-manned” I interpreted as more or less lacking personnel because of depth issues due to injuries/academics, recruiting misses, or slow development. Injuries this year? Derrick Hill – dude plays at an all conference level when healthy. Academics this year? Hagan and Ezeff. Recruiting Misses this year? Devon Kennard and I’m hesitant to throw Jarred Price into this category but he was recruited along with Kennard to be the rush backers. Slow Development this year? Ryan Davis.
one way I’ve looked at last season from a defense perspective is that Gregory’s conservative approach may have been dictated by Tedford. Knowing that we didn’t have a passing game to keep up with shoot out-type of game, he may have been intentionally conservative. On top of that, we didn’t have anyone to fill Follett’s big play abilities.
More people need to see this. A question I’ll throw out there for people that have incessantly bitched about Gregory being too conservative this year: knowing what you know now about your secondary and that you can’t rely on getting pressure when you send 5+ guys, is it such a great idea to further expose your known weak secondary more often?
Ok since nobody has replied, I re-read what I wrote and it wasn’t clear. So I’ll pose the same question below with more clarification:
knowing what you know now about our not so great secondary and that you can’t rely on getting consistent pressure when you send 5+ guys, is itsucha great idea to further expose yourknownweak secondary by blitzing more often and sending more guys just for the sake of hoping to get to the QB?
Think about it along with what Cal85 said “Knowing that we didn’t have a passing game to keep up with shoot out-type of game, he may have been intentionally conservative.”
BG was okay. Not bad. Not great. I agree that he was dependent on his talent as well as on having players either experienced or cerebral enough to run his schemes.
Was he the coordinator we’d need to win a BCS bowl? Probably not.
Did he help right the ship when our program was at its (arguably) lowest point? Yes.
I’ll miss him for being a solid, good character guy who represented our school with class. I respect him for picking family over career advancement.
I won’t miss that head-scratching cover three guys with two scheme that let the other team run bubble screens for 10+ yds all day. Or, the lack of decisive in-game adjustments.
In the college game, getting the guys ready to play is as much or more important than the X’s and O’s. Gregory might have been a little too much the chessmaster and relied a bit too heavily on internal leadership from the players. That’s great if you luck into those personality types, but it’s a lot to ask from 18-21 year-olds.
I’m hopeful that the next DC is a more creative and a better teacher/leader. I don’t necessarily need an all-out aggressive blitz-happy guy. I remember the old Hit Squad days where we made a ton of big plays, but also gave up a ton of big plays and still ended up losing a lot more than we won.
I’d be happy with something like the Steelers or Niners 3-4 where the LB’s are used creatively to create mismatches and confusion. I think neither team actually blitzes that much, but still induces pressure because the Oline isn’t sure where that 4th rusher is coming from.
All I want...
…is somebody who can keep the spread option from running over our D like a tractor trailer hitting a rooster.
Beyond that, I’m flexible. ;]
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by VandyImport on Feb 18, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I'm going to be severely disappointed in BG's departure until the new DC proves himself
I am not happy at this move
In other words, Go Bears!
Sucks I can't choose two of the options.
Right now I’m both “I was saddened to see him go, but felt like it was time” and " I care way more about who replaces him."
This happened really late in terms of the coach shuffle period in college football, so chances of us getting someone that is an adequate DC is quite slim.
At this point I’m hoping that Tosh Lupoi will be our man, because even though I hear some good stuff about Ron English, he hasn’t done all that great of a job in his last few tenures as a coach in some way shape or form (5-7 @ Louisville 2008, 0-12 as HC @ EMU last year).
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~ Three Dog - Fallout 3
Most folk who are happy to see him gone aren't really thinking long term.
Yeah, BG is gone. But hey, the defense can’t run itself without a coordinator.
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by Swamphunter on Feb 18, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I'd say the exact opposite is true
Yes our defense in 2010 may have been fairly decent with BG at the helm, but 8 years down the line with BG we know exactly what we would have: mediocrity and inconsistency. It’s about time we had another DC. I’m happy to take the risk of a rough start in 2010 if it means in 2 or 3 years we can get to a Rose Bowl.
by BeareatsTacos on Feb 18, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
“New DC = Automatic Rose Bowl” will NOT happen. So all those thinking that should go soak their head in the bay.
When BG has good players to use, he normally cranks out a good defense. If you read Ohio Bear’s fanpost you will see that years we have outstanding players on defense we are normally successful on that side of the ball.
And you’re completely glazing over the main part of my argument: there is barely anyone out there available that we know will be a good replacement.
So chances are unless we get someone with good credentials, you will be right with us having a rocky start to 2010. But then also 2011, 2012…
It will be the same problem we have been having with OCs since 2007. Inconsistency behind who is in charge.
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by Swamphunter on Feb 18, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve read Ohio Bear’s fanpost. The talent argument is a wonderful strawman. Who is responsible for evaluating talent, extending offers, and making sure they develop? The coaches. Position coaches like Tosh may do most of the front line work, but ultimately when it comes to the final decision, deciding whether a kid has both the inherent ability and ability to be coached, the buck stops at the Defensive Coordinator. That is Bob Gregory.
And finally, if I’m glazing over your argument, you are glazing over mine. Risk is inherent in any decision you make. There is a risk a DC hire will not pan out. Personally, I have faith that Tedford’s years of coaching experience will direct him to make a great hire. But, if for argument’s sake this isn’t the case, I’m happy with the decision nonetheless simply because the continued production of BG almost guaranteed we would never see a Rose Bowl.
by BeareatsTacos on Feb 19, 2010 3:33 AM PST up reply actions
The talent argument is a wonderful strawman.
So then I guess we don’t need experienced and talented players at all! All we need are walk-ons who played flag football once or twice in high school?
Please.
Risk is inherent in any decision you make. There is a risk a DC hire will not pan out. Personally, I have faith that Tedford’s years of coaching experience will direct him to make a great hire.
Risk vs Reward? When it comes to Cal football?
Just how long have you been a fan, and how many times has it actually really worked?
I’m happy with the decision nonetheless simply because the continued production of BG almost guaranteed we would never see a Rose Bowl.
Then say hello to the possibility of not seeing any bowl game again for a while.
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by Swamphunter on Feb 19, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
So then I guess we don’t need experienced and talented players at all! All we need are walk-ons who played flag football once or twice in high school?
Please.
I was happy to debate this point with you when you were reading my posts. Either you don’t understand what a strawman is, or you didn’t read the following:
Who is responsible for evaluating talent, extending offers, and making sure they develop? The coaches. Position coaches like Tosh may do most of the front line work, but ultimately when it comes to the final decision, deciding whether a kid has both the inherent ability and ability to be coached, the buck stops at the Defensive Coordinator. That is Bob Gregory.
In case that didn’t make sense to you, when you blame Bob Gregory’s failures on the “talent,” you are blaming Bob Gregory’s failures on Bob Gregory.
Risk vs Reward? When it comes to Cal football?
Just how long have you been a fan, and how many times has it actually really worked?
Ever hear of a guy called Jeff Tedford? I hear he’s doing an OK job up at Cal.
Then say hello to the possibility of not seeing any bowl game again for a while.
I will be sure to dedicate a fan post to you everytime we make a bowl game in the next 8 seasons. Feel free to do vice versa. We’ll see who has more posts.
by BeareatsTacos on Feb 19, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
English wasn't given much at Louisiville
he got the nation’s worst defense and made into the top 1/2 in the country or so. EMU is a very tough job to win at (Just ask Genyk) and HC experience does not equal DC experience.
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I don't know much about those programs, so I was only going off of their overall records.
Still though, I’m pretty sure he would rather just stay as a HC because that’s what it seems he wants more.
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by Swamphunter on Feb 18, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Can I just point out something? Why do we say “underwhelmed” and “overwhelmed” all the time but no one ever uses just plain “whelmed”? Humanities majors wanna chime in here?
HYDROTECH FOR DC
Sort of like “disgruntled”…I would like to know why no one is ever “gruntled,” let alone “very gruntled”
Whose domicile? OUR DOMICILE!
by Berkelium97 on Feb 18, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
It looks like whelm is a real word that means essentially the same thing as ‘overwhelm.’
I did not know that until today. Thanks CGB!
yeah I looked it up too…but no one ever uses it!
HYDROTECH FOR DC
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 18, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
well, it's ABOUT time ...
remember the disappointment after 07? we were calling for his head … and then, granted, it was nice to see a bit of evolution with BG, namely to the 3-4
and while BBDB is frustrating at times (sitting there watching the guys getting picked apart), it hasn’t so much been a problem in strategy as it has been in implementation and being oh-so predictable
of course the run d has been solid, as would be expected with a zone … note that the run d was still good with 4-3, also in large part because of the zone
blitzing is effective when done sparingly and properly, and so i don’t see that as the issue so much either … though BG was able to turn it up with ZF and such athletes, you shouldn’t need stars to make blitzes work at the college level … in fact blitzes work better with no-names
what i did notice over the years was the inability of our secondary to play aggressive man d even with one (or 2) safetie(s) over the top and particularly in obvious passing situations … how many times did we see our guys be either (a) out of position or (b) in position yet not make plays on the ball? it seems not enough time was on man d and/or the coaching was insufficient … i blame BG here
with the new players and coach TBN, we need to see a generally more agressive strategy and attitude … i’m sick of seeing 265# usc tightends running around in the secondary – hit those guys at the line … same for the receivers – getting guys out of those first few steps completely disrupts the quick game of the oregons and arizonas and can prevent the longer developing pro style (usc) plays from maturing … more bump and run, less “oh fuck”
the general softness to the defense just has to go away with BG … offenses don’t care how hard they get hit when they get first down after first down … BBDB gives the offense momentum and a prayer … they go into half time with what works and what doesn’t … let’s eliminate the former
lastly, a head coach is only as good as his supporting staff … the off coordinator mess is still a mess (seems to me JT should run the offense and find qualified position coaches) … but in general with Tosh and the departures of alamar and BG, perhaps we will see a rose bowl before i fucking die
no
i am the california golden beer
you are the california golden bear
nuance or nuisance?
you make the call
also, just to clarify, i am:
a california golden bear alumnus
a member of the super secret CGB, comrade
a season ticket holder (high up in the pleasant shade, young punks … you should hear the OLD guys!)
still trying to inseminate the oregon chearleaders
always willing to knock the shit out of young furd smartasses
ROLL ON YOU BEERS … err i mean BEARS … mostly
Well, one thing I will definitely be happy about, is this should allow us to finally move on from misclassifications of our defense as “bend but don’t break”…..
Yeah, I thought we had finally put that stupid phrase to bed, then Gregory goes and leaves for BSU and it comes back with a vengeance.
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what is it then?
then bend and bend and bend and pray and, oh fuck, it broke
Generally the point is to not bend at all. The defenses whole goal is to get the ball back without giving up points. Yards + points have a very high correlation. You can be more or less aggressive – that is, some defenses are more likely to surrender the big play but might stop offenses quicker or create more turnovers while other defenses will make the offense dink and dunk down the field, but ultimately the goal is to not let the offense get down the field. There’s no such thing as “bend but don’t break” (and Cal coaches have basically said this). When you start bending a lot, you’re going to break too often.
by Missing Barry on Feb 19, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
it’s semantics mostly … as you pointed out, it’s conservative vs. aggressive … the coaches can call it what they want, but it is what it is … in principle playing conservative will:
+ prevent the big play
- but allow the offense more opportunities (plays)
+ and thus create the opportunity for more turnovers
basically: play soft, don’t give up the big play, and wait for them to make a mistake … it isn’t that bad of a plan … the problem becomes apparent when the offense DOESN’T make a mistake and the subsequent inability to buckle down is exposed
i don’ t mind the strategy insomuch as the inability to adjust before games, during games, and particularly at half time
No more 3 man rush.
The last half of year, I suffered thru watching a three man rush, while opposinging qb yawned and took his sweet time picking our secondary apart. Worst pass defense ever! Thank God we can move on. Good riddance!

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