Explanation Regarding Current Events
As most of you probably know by now, last night we were approached by an individual who requested, while impliedly threatening a potential lawsuit, that we delete this blog post. The purported basis for this lawsuit was one of libel. We here at the CGB take libel very seriously. Despite our endless inanity, we all understand that it completely crosses the line to post libel against an innocent person. But after reviewing this blog post with the help of law firms such as Latham & Watkins, Jones Day, White & Case, Mayor Brown, DLA Piper, Morrison & Foerister, Reed Smith, OhioBear CALumbusBear CalBear81 LLP, CGB general counsel, and SBN general counsel, we have decided that there is no libel within this article. Therefore, after much deliberation, the Marshawnthusiasts, the Jahviditicans, and the Members of the Folletteriat, have decided to put this blog post back up.
Despite putting this blog post back up, the CGB has willfully and as a sign of good faith, decided to edit out some information. The individual that approached the CGB regarding this blog post had concerns about his future educational and employment opportunities. We understand those concerns. While most of us CGB mods are unemployed beer-bellied college dropouts who are currently living in the basement of our mom's home, many of us have educational and career aspirations too! CBKWit, for example, dreams of becoming a professional dog walker. Avinash dreams of becoming the next Danica Patrick. I will hopefully become the first man to walk on the moon. We understand the concerns of the individual who contacted us and are happy to ensure that his future successes are not stymied by one internet blog post. As much as moderators and readers collectively joke around on the blog, the internet is a serious business. A quick Google search of the individual's name produced this very article itself as the #8 search result. As heartless as I might seem in my blog posts, I would honestly feel pretty bad if the individual who contacted us lost a potential educational or career opportunity because of what I wrote. That's not something I would intend, and that was not the goal of this blog post.
A few readers have asked why this blog post even needs to be un-hidden and re-published for all to read again at all. They say that this blog post has little worth aside from merely bashing another person's opinion. While I certainly went to town on another person's opinion, the broader points of my arguments also help expose many fallacies and misunderstandings that many people, not just the individual I was responding to, have about recruiting. Those broader points may have gotten lost among the smaller and sharper points that I directed towards the individual's opinion, but it is those broader points are the most important. And because they are so important, and have spawned such intelligent discussion on the blog regarding recruiting rankings and recruiting in general, we here at the CGB think this warrants putting this post back up.
We thank you for reading. We thank you for your time and understanding. Go Bears!
The opinions expressed in a FanPost are, in every way, reflective of the opinions of every California Golden Blogs Marshawnthusiast. Moreover, they are reflective of every employee of SBNation, including Tyler "Blez" Bleszinski.
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Is this the place to post Cal Dance team pics?
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by carp on Feb 11, 2010 1:17 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
PSoCY
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by TwistNHook on Feb 11, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
royrules, you left out the key part. Carp presented this initial as the world’s greatest pickup line. It has become an unofficial anthem for the rampant stupidity that is CGB. royrules acts like this is something we spend ourentire day saying to the men and women around us.
Which, given what I know about royrules, is prolly true for him.
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Latham & Watkins, Jones Day, White & Case, Mayor Brown, DLA Piper, Morrison & Foerister, Reed Smith
Overpriced hacks*
OhioBear CALumbusBear CalBear81 LLP
I do not recall inviting CalBear81 into the partnership. But oh well. CalBear81, the buy in is significant and apparently your payment is past due.
*that’s just, like, my opinion, man
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Guess I’m just a junior associate. Whose dry cleaning I gotta get this week?
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You are not to speak to the name partners directly.
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by CALumbus Bear on Feb 11, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the order of the name partners is a little screwed up, so this firm is clearly not as great as:
CALumbusBear OhioBear & Associaties LLP
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by CALumbus Bear on Feb 11, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
CALumbusBear OhioBear & AssociatiesLLPPSoCY
Fixed.
I am a Vereenian.
by Ohio Bear on Feb 11, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
CalBear81 can thank me now for dropping her off the letterhead
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by CALumbus Bear on Feb 11, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Partners can’t sue one another for harassment (in Ohio). BOOM, lawyered! And, you’re looking mighty fine…
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by CALumbus Bear on Feb 11, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
But you just kicked me out of the partnership and demoted me to associate. BOOM double-lawyered!
Snobby Chick - Senior Division
by CalBear81 on Feb 11, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Welcome aboard! Let’s jump ship to create Twist & Associates!
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You drive a hard bargain, but deal! I get the smaller, less sunny office!
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Yes, you will. Also, no more wasting time on the internet during the work day. And your new hours are 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m.
Snobby Chick - Senior Division
no more wasting time on the internet during the work day
What? Twist, wasting time on the internet? You have no evidence to suggest he does such a thing.
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by CALumbus Bear on Feb 11, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Only if your practice was limited to Ohio. (Do they even have laws in Ohio?) If you want to be a California lawyer — and who doesn’t — then I’m in charge.
Snobby Chick - Senior Division
Our California branch office doesn’t get name rights. You merely exist for our leverage. Also, most of our clients bitterly complain about your ridiculous CA rates. Stop pissing off our clients!
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by CALumbus Bear on Feb 11, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Just Hydro.
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by CALumbus Bear on Feb 11, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hope you got a big enough retainer
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TWSS
right before PSoCY
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Feb 11, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
rec’d for multiple acronyms of sophomoric humor
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by CALumbus Bear on Feb 11, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
do you guys need a fluffer?
i’m game
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by ikoolykedat on Feb 12, 2010 6:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i interviewed with nearly all of those firms, and was roundly rejected by each one of them.
damn this economy :(
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
So, you didnt interview with Twist & Associates, then? Well, come on down!
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CalBear81 & Peon may be looking to replace its current peon. He’s way too lazy.
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I’m surprised that T&A isn’t more popular with people.
by atomsareenough on Feb 11, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’m a T man, myself.
Quantity AND quantity!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Feb 11, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
*Golf clap*
Well played… well played…
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I agree with putting it back up.
and also with some editing.
BUT the author should keep the original and try to learn from it, why a bunch of nutters on the internetz rightly think he’s a) full of it, and b) a whiney douche.
Go Bears Go
“The individual that approached the CGB regarding this blog post had concerns about his future educational and employment opportunities.”
Maybe he should have thought about that before publishing column. Or better yet, have the publisher of Calsportsdigest.com Mario Gomez delete that column altogether. I had hoped that the Scout thread and Hydro’s post, working towards building a mountain of evidence against claims made in the original “Who’s the Doss” article, would be enough for him to put aside his ego and retract some of the more damnable statements he made. But as we have all seen by now, that was far from how everything was played out.
I think Doss’s concerns are misdirected, and the fact that he adamantly and defiantly challenged criticism against his work in the Scout thread and here—to the point of threatening lawsuit—clearly demonstrates to me that perhaps he is not cut out for the business of journalism. But then again, that’s not for me to decide.
There were those of us—obviously I was included in that mix—who took the time and effort because we felt Doss had unjustifiably wronged certain individuals—future Cal Bears, teenagers who have never stepped foot on our beloved campus—and we felt compelled to protect their good name and their interests. Somewhere along the way, the storyline came full circle and became more about protecting Doss’s interest, Doss’s reputation, Doss’s career. “Who’s the Doss”? Some fucked up loser who holds no reservation in breaking down young men who have done him no wrong, and yet when some of that flak found its way back to the author, he doesn’t have the balls to handle criticism and take it like a man.
BTW, I respect the way CGB handled this matter. Great job, guys.
by ttgiang15 on Feb 11, 2010 2:55 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
agreed
BTW, I respect the way CGB handled this matter. Great job, guys.
and thanks ttgiang15 for saying what needed to be said – not just in the comments on the other thread, but also on the original thread/debate on Scout re: Doss’ “article”
rec’d x 1 trillion gazillion.
So 7 dimensional
by Fire Starkey on Feb 12, 2010 6:39 AM PST up reply actions
We have chosen not to. But we’re not going to stop our readers from mentioning names.
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 11, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Peter Parker?
In communist Russia, Sanchez declares YOU!
by HOUSE66 on Feb 11, 2010 4:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What about “He Who Should Not Be Named.” I don’t think we should be letting our readers mention his name.
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I’m reasonably certain the Jewish God YHWH is not the ultimate villain of the Harry Potter series.
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There is no doubt here
It was Doss. Quote from the Scout board: "I did not contact CGB.
Jon Doss wrote an opinion piece on the 2010 recruiting class, he didn’t defame or libel any player or coach personally. Furthermore, Doss did not defame or libel another writer/website/media outlet.
He contacted CGB to remove posts/comments that personally attacked his integrity and credibility. He did not threaten them with a lawsuit."
"But it only takes five future unabombers to take what should be a 400-comment thread and turn it into a 1,200-comment one full of anger… anger I suspect has more to do with the fact that they can’t land the hot chick rather than the fact that we signed Aubrey Huff instead of gave Garko a chance after dealing away a supposedly valuable prospect for him." -mlb22
The last sentence is, at least I'm guessing
a bunch of baloney. They just aren’t going to admit that they threatened somebody with a lawsuit
"But it only takes five future unabombers to take what should be a 400-comment thread and turn it into a 1,200-comment one full of anger… anger I suspect has more to do with the fact that they can’t land the hot chick rather than the fact that we signed Aubrey Huff instead of gave Garko a chance after dealing away a supposedly valuable prospect for him." -mlb22
All of it baloney.
“I did not contact CGB”
“He contacted CGB . .. "
He can’t have it both ways. Either his article was defaming or libeling players and coaches or Hydro’s wasn’t attacking his integrity. Credibility – yes, but Hydro did so with reasoned (and sarcastic) arguments.
I don't know if Doss ever denied it
But this is quite stupid, and it’s a lot of baloney. I’m writing my “analysis” of the issue, and I’m finding it quite hard to steer clear of insults. The guy does not seem to know what he’s talking about
"But it only takes five future unabombers to take what should be a 400-comment thread and turn it into a 1,200-comment one full of anger… anger I suspect has more to do with the fact that they can’t land the hot chick rather than the fact that we signed Aubrey Huff instead of gave Garko a chance after dealing away a supposedly valuable prospect for him." -mlb22
Avinash dreams of becoming the next Danica Patrick
Also, this.
I am a proud member of LB Chris Martin's fan group: the Martinis
How much does a Go Daddy girl make???
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 11, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Here's my more civil article regarding Doss' column:
A more civil response to Jon Doss’ article regarding response
Let me start out with this: I’m no football expert. I am not a scout for a big recruiting website. I’m not a legit blogger cited by ESPN. I’m just a dude with a computer and a love for football. But I think I can chip on the issue at hand, with Jon Doss’ article and CGB’s reply.
Here is the link to the original post by Doss: http://california.scout.com/2/944081.html. CGB posted a rebuttal here: http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2010/2/10/1301782/jon-doss-knows-more-than-the. Apparently, CGB was threatened with a lawsuit. They took down their post, but would later repost it with some removed content. While I disagree with both the article and the threat, I’m just going to try and break Doss’ article down civilly.
"The rather large hole on the left side of the offensive line, vacated by departing senior Mike Tepper, doesn’t look any different than it did three days ago.
Senior Donovan Edwards, who was the second option at both tackle spots last season, looks to be the likely candidate to protect presumed starter Kevin Riley’s backside next year.
But then what?
Chris Adcock is too small (Tedford said at his press conference Wednesday that he could see the Mesquite, TX native playing center) and Alex Crosthwaite and Geoff Gibson don’t have the footwork that made Tepper a decent left tackle."
While I’m certainly not a football expert, I disagree with this completely. First of all, freshman don’t make any impact (typically) on the offensive line. So, these incoming freshman will likely red-shirt and play. And while I am trying to not attack credibility here, it leads me to this question: who is Jon Doss to judge these players futures? I understand that Mr. Doss may have seen these guys play, and he may be an accredited writer, but I don’t see how he can judge this. Judging offensive linemen is one of the toughest things, especially footwork. I’m just not seeing how Doss can undeniable say, as a fact, that they don’t have the footwork to do such. And even if they don’t now, who says they can’t develop it later on?
"In a year where Tedford and Co. made more strides in national recruiting than ever, they lost a Central Cali JUCO in Roszell Gayden, who appears to be a perfect fit on the blindside, to a team that’s over half way across the country. Not to mention, his twin brother, Rashad, signed to play his college ball at San Jose State."
Every team misses recruits. I’m not saying we should have or should not have gotten Gayden, but missing out on one recruit and criticizing them for it is highly questionable. The twin in this manner seems highly irrelevant, as they are different people and have different interests.
"What seemed like a promising group of wideouts to start (I don’t have to remind anyone that that’s been a weak spot for Cal over the last couple of years), turned downright ugly with the departure of prospects Josh Harper and Davon Dunn, both of whom left for "greener pastures" in the heart of some of the world’s most fertile grounds.
Yes, the Bears’ got a big lift with the late addition of Allen, but—with all due respect to Pat Hill and the Bulldogs—Cal should never (NEVER) lose recruits to Fresno State."
Where to begin? Alright, so I will start this out with the first paragraph. What do recruits want most? Other then coeds, it’s playing time. While we do have a "weak spot" at WR, it’s not a spot where a freshman (and a * one at that) can come in and play right away. As for the Fresno State comment, that made me nearly throw up in my mouth. It’s not all about what conference a team is in or the winning tradition. It’s all about feel and how you get along in the coaching staff. The last comment is one I find to be quite stupid.
"Not only was the Harper/Dunn saga embarrassing, but it put the Bears behind a pair of eight-balls as they attempted to scrounge up a couple of pass catchers.
And scrounge is what they did.
Here’s a quote from Tedford’s presser, when he was asked as to how accurate he felt recruiting sites were in ranking players like Kaelin Clay and Terrance Montgomery (two receivers that Scout has as two-star prospects)"
Scrounge is a highly-how should I put this- strong word. The connotation is that Tedford lost out on 2 receivers, and the best he could do was come up with these two "bums." As for the 2 star deal, I’m fairly certain that a 2 star grade is not really a grade at all, but a statement that the player has not been watched in person by a website-affiliated scout but is believed to be a D-I prospect.
"Did Paul Wulff, Mike Riley, Steve Sarkisian (insert EVERY other Pac-10 coach’s name here) completely neglect such wide receiving talent? Or is this simply a case of the Bears reaching for a couple of guys that nobody else believed to be Pac-10 talents?"
Sigh. Maybe they didn’t need receivers? Or maybe they didn’t watch the tape as closely as Tedford? To be honest, every evaluator is different. That’s why each recruiting ranking is different. Tedford may have seen something others hadn’t. The fact of the matter is Tedford saw this guy as a Pac-10 talent and I trust him. And this guy isn’t a scrub; according to the recruiting sources, he’s not too far behind the "vaunted" group of Harper and Dunn. They aren’t really that far about, and it certainly isn’t scrounging.
"Very few people are pulling for these two kids as much as I am. After the opportunity to spend a lot of time with Justin Forsett over the years, I love the under-the-radar recruit more than anything.
But if Forsett, who drew interest from Notre Dame and Texas Tech, and offers from UConn and Utah, was a diamond in the rough, then Montgomery and Clay are diamonds well outside the out-of-bounds markers at TPC Sawgrass."
Forsett never got a schollie from either of those "big" schools. UConn wasn’t even a decent program at the time of his recruitment, and Utah is still a MWC school. I’m sorry, but in recruit terms they aren’t far apart. Similar grades, and they both have offers from a Pac-10 school.
"With first-year starters/contributors Derek Carr, Tate Forcier, Jeff Tuel, Richard Brehaut and even Jordan Wynn (you may remember him from his carving up of Cal in the Poinsettia Bowl) all in the Golden State, the Bears went with Bridgford who, unfortunately, may never see the field."
Tuel? Carr? Forcier? Brehaut? Wynn? Even if he could land these guys, they wouldn’t have made an immediate impact. Forcier and Wynn are spread guys; they don’t fit the offense. Brehaut might not have came anyway, and Carr is a Fresno guy; he’s not going to start here. Bridgford still might pan out, and was highly regarded.
"At Berkeley’s regional Elite 11 quarterback camp, I fell in love with two athletes; neither was Austin Hinder and, interestingly enough, neither would ever have Cal offers.
The Bears passed on Stockton product Marcus McDade, a late-bloomer whose arm strength is unparalleled amongst 18-year-olds in America, and Brett Nottingham, a UCLA decommit and Stanford signee who had more of a total package than any other QB in the West, BYU’s Jake Heaps and USC’s Jesse Scroggins included."
McDade? You mean the same McDade who had no Pac-10 offers? I mean, if a guy gets no Pac-10 school offers the guy, he must be a scrub. Even you say so: "Did Paul Wulff, Mike Riley, Steve Sarkisian (insert EVERY other Pac-10 coach’s name here) completely neglect such wide receiving talent? Or is this simply a case of the Bears reaching for a couple of guys that nobody else believed to be Pac-10 talents?" But wait, you say he’s good. As you said, I’ll take advice of 10 coaches (yes all 10, unlike in your case) and say McDade is not better then Hinder. As for Nottingham, he may yet be a solid player, but putting him ahead of the best QB in the country is ridiculous.
"Instead, Cal took Hinder, a 6-foot-5, 180-lb project, who has fallen from as high as the No. 2 rated passer in the class to Scout’s No. 34.
While he is the nicest kid I’ve come across in a while, it was overwhelming to me that, at one of the more prestigious camps for some of the most elite quarterbacks in the country, Hinder had to be taught a five-step drop.
He’d never done that before.
His mobility and accuracy are admirable, but I’m afraid that Hinder, who has run out of the shotgun mostly, may be a bit out of his comfort zone.
And even if he’s not, even if he’s on point, when is he going to play?"
He was still, at the point when Tedford was recruiting, the #2 QB in the country. He still has that potential. McDade nor Nottingham have reached that point. As for a 5 stop, so what? He has time to develop. He can learn that. It’s not a big deal. McDade, as far as I know, ran a similar offense in high school and likely has similar deficiencies. A bit out of his comfort zone? McDade would be too. Hinder’s a smart kid, he has time to learn, and he has accuracy and mobility. Then you ask, when’s he going to play? Um…this might be the dumbest statement yet. You advocated for both McDade and Nottingham, but this question seems to apply to both of them. Hmm…hypocritical much?
Well, I hope I reached my goal. This has been a rather major issue in the recent days, and I felt I should address it. Hopefully I gave you a more civil and reasoned out response to Doss’ article.
"But it only takes five future unabombers to take what should be a 400-comment thread and turn it into a 1,200-comment one full of anger… anger I suspect has more to do with the fact that they can’t land the hot chick rather than the fact that we signed Aubrey Huff instead of gave Garko a chance after dealing away a supposedly valuable prospect for him." -mlb22
by MadBum on Feb 11, 2010 6:27 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
and this was for my Cal blog, which explains the earlier statements(:
"But it only takes five future unabombers to take what should be a 400-comment thread and turn it into a 1,200-comment one full of anger… anger I suspect has more to do with the fact that they can’t land the hot chick rather than the fact that we signed Aubrey Huff instead of gave Garko a chance after dealing away a supposedly valuable prospect for him." -mlb22
You have a blog? Link?
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by Avinash Kunnath on Feb 11, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
I recently started it up
and it isn’t much yet, but: http://since59.blogspot.com/
"But it only takes five future unabombers to take what should be a 400-comment thread and turn it into a 1,200-comment one full of anger… anger I suspect has more to do with the fact that they can’t land the hot chick rather than the fact that we signed Aubrey Huff instead of gave Garko a chance after dealing away a supposedly valuable prospect for him." -mlb22
Freedom of Speech?
Allow me to submit this question to many esteemed Juris Doctors – if it is determined that the original post was not libelous, then where is Hydro’s 1st Amendment Rights? Where does the law stand on protecting Hydro’s ability to make a logical argument w/o the interference from random internet dude?
Can we suggest he change the name of his column to “Who’s the Tool?”
So 7 dimensional
by Fire Starkey on Feb 12, 2010 9:04 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Allison Stokke may have hurt foot

Of course, I have no idea how old this photo is.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Someone explain why anyone here should care about the educational and work opportunities available to Jon Doss. Journalism isn’t a charity. Either Doss is good enough to cut it or he isn’t. And, quite frankly, universities and employers should know exactly what they are getting. Nothing can change the fact that the article was poorly written and reasoned. I’m not sorry for this critique and nor should anyone else be.
One more thing, a good portion of the critique was regarding how awful the vast majority of these recruiting services are. In particular, too often the team sites employ writers to opine on matters they have absolutely no business expressing. That isn’t to say they don’t have a right, but, a lot of people go to those sites and trust what they are reading is legitimate and well reasoned. Doss’ article was neither.
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by BeastMode on Feb 12, 2010 8:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Someone explain why anyone here should care about the educational and work opportunities available to Jon Doss.
Because CGB cares.
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by Berkelium97 on Feb 12, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Garbage. No, really. I and many others here don’t have the same sort of visceral reaction towards CGB articles because we know who they are coming from and at least have some evidence. You guys have survived because you have a good product and work hard.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
by BeastMode on Feb 13, 2010 2:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
With a heart like that, you could be a Republican.
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