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Cal Basketball Ruminations: The Gary Franklin & Nigel Carter Debate

As we approach the end of the first trimester of California Golden Bears men's basketball, I decided to take a look and answer some of the most pressing questions on the minds of Cal fans. Feel free to chime in on the comments with your own answers or your own questions.

1. Should Nigel Carter get a look at the starting position over Gary Franklin?

It's not that easy to find a good sample of Carter's play this season (over nine games he's only taken 16 shots), but he's been getting progressively more productive as he gets more comfortable with his shot. He's made some big plays against UC Davis, nailed a huge three against Iowa State, and came off a 16 point performance against Southern Miss. In his limited minutes, he has an offensive efficiency of 117.5, highest on the team. A few more minutes given his way, and who knows how far he can go?

Franklin, on the other hand, is a runaway train, and right now he's been careening off the tracks. Right now he's shooting the most of any player on the team, and shooting the worst of any player. He's 24 of 89 from the field, 17 of 62 from downtown, 7 of 27 from two point land, and 9 of 18 from the line. Those stats would land most two guards on the bench or in a, but Montgomery has decided to let Franklin play it out and hope there's some progression back toward the mean. He can't shoot under 30 percent forever; even Monty points out that his looks against Southern Miss looked better than the ones he took earlier this season. The improvement is coming, step-by-step.

While I don't think his confidence will ever be shattered if we bring him off the bench, I can see the merit to Montgomery's madness. He's not thinking short-term by thinking about trying to win every game on the schedule. He's thinking long-term; this team is probably not a tournament squad right now, but with enough mental reps they'll be ready next year, and more so the year after that. Cal is not winning anything major with Carter starting major minutes; Franklin needs those reps to develop into the player we all think he's capable of being.

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2. Is Jorge Gutierrez a capable point guard?

The question isn't whether he's a natural point guard--Kim Kardashian is a more natural human being than Gutierrez is a more natural point guard. But can he run the offense on the college level? Sure can. It's a bit of an adventure, and he does make some bad decisions, but the numbers reflect this:

30.2 assist rate (110th), 21.7 turnover rate (which is on par with Jerome Randle from last season), 3.2 steal percentage (323rd), 64.1 true shooting percentage, 107.8 offensive rating.

All quite capable numbers. Gutierrez can hit a few timely threes and jump shots, and he's very capable of creating contact and getting to the line (he draws 6.5 fouls a game, which could come in handy when we play a number of big Pac-10 games). It's like watching

Really, Cal doesn't have a lot of real point guards this season--Brandon Smith comes the closest, although no one respects his shooting stroke, so it limits his effectiveness. At the best we have combo guards like Franklin and Emerson Murray, and neither of them are going to be entrusted with handling the rock this season barring major foul trouble.

Of course, Cal's offense is always going to be a bit of a mess with Jorge being the primary ball-handler, so a starting point becomes essential next season. Based on what I've seen and heard, Justin Cobbs is probably going to be our guy handling the rock down the road, and Jorge can slide over and be our secondary ball-handler and . And we'll be a much better team. But that's a year away.

3. What's the most impressive part of this team so far?

Defensive rebounding, unquestionably. Although San Diego State and Southern Miss finally took advantage of us a little bit more, they're two of the few teams in the country that have the size and athleticism to bang with us down low. You know the thing about the Pac-10 teams we face down the road? Not many of them are big.

Cal currently gives up an offensive rebound percentage of 25%, 9th in the country. We're boxing out exceptionally well. If a team isn't shooting the ball well, our ability to rebound will give us a chance to win games we probably wouldn't (like Temple and at Iowa State). Holding teams to one-and-dones are critical.

It's not only Markhuri Sanders-Frison and Harper Kamp. Bak Bak and Richard Solomon have shown they're capable of getting to the boards. Solomon might end up being one of the best pure rebounders in Cal history once he rounds into that body--he's already putting up phenomenal numbers with his length. Solomon is in the national rankings already in both offensive and defensive rebound rate, and he could challenge every year at this rate.

4. What's your grade for the first trimester?

B. This would probably be a solid B+, maybe even an A- if we didn't have some horrid offensive performances and some foul-ridden games. Unfortunately, that's the way this team will roll to a lot of their victories this season--Kamp and Gutierrez, creating contact, and getting to the foul line will be so crucial on nights our shot isn't falling.

At the moment we're right on pace for a .500 season, which is about where we'd like to be. We're going to have a brutal stretch to kick off Pac-10 play (losing six of our first seven isn't out of the realm of possibility). But if we can win a couple of those games, I think we'll end up in a very pleasant spot.

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A
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B
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C
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D
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All quite capable numbers. Gutierrez can hit a few timely threes and jump shots, and he’s very capable of creating contact and getting to the line (he draws 6.5 fouls a game, which could come in handy when we play a number of big Pac-10 games). It’s like watching

The sentence doesn’t really end, but it does!

by Missing Barry on Dec 17, 2010 10:57 AM PST reply actions  

I felt if I left that sentence alone, it’d have deeper meaning. I should’ve put a fill-in-the-blank there.

Email: bearsnecessities@gmail.com

by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 17, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, I gave them an A. Just understand I’m grading on a curve being set by preseason expectations.

by Missing Barry on Dec 17, 2010 10:58 AM PST reply actions  

1. No. Franklin has more upside. Nigel has carved out a spot in the rotation, however.
2. Yes, especially since we have no better choice (even with Brandon Smith performing better than expected).
3. Defense other than transition D.
4. B+. Definitely exceed my expectation with a couple good road wins (@NM and @ Iowa St) plus that neutral court win vs. Temple. Only one somewhat questionable loss vs. Southern Miss. Would have like to see more offensive improvements, however.

Hopefully, we will have at least a moral victory vs. Kansas and a couple of blowout wins before the brutal Pac-10 start. I still think this team is capable of making the NIT although our margin for error is relatively thin and it would require further growing up of our freshmen plus healthy contribution from our very small rotation.

by LEastCoastBears on Dec 17, 2010 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

didn’t we beat NM at home? (not to take away from your comment because they are def a quality team)

"Remember the Maine! TO HELL WITH STANFORD!"

by CruzinBears on Dec 17, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Solid B

We all knew that this team was young and prone to some complete blackouts on the court, but also capable of showing flashes of just how good they can be. And so far, that’s exactly what we’ve got.

Watching them, while frustrating at times, is actually really fun because we get to see them develop and make progress – often within a game.

The only reason they don’t get an A is because there really is no excuse (youth, inexperience, or anything else) for scoring only 5 points in the first half against ND, or their other perplexing offensive disappearances.

But I expect those to diminsh as we move into conference play. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if they go 6 – 12 or 12 – 6 in conference, though 8-10 or 10-8 is more likely. In any case, at least I know it will be worth watching.

Well, you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

by SoCal Oski on Dec 17, 2010 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

C

Grade: C.
They get points for beating Iowa State and Temple, but they’ve looked horrid at times against other teams. We knew this was going to be a tough season.

No question Franklin should have to reign things in a good amount. Whether you start Carter in his place or not? Yeah, why not – give it a try and see how each does in that different position!

…Franklin already started to do a better job of calming down by the Southern Miss game, but I am surprised it too that long. He looked ridiculous in Orlando, both with the wild long range jacks and the out of control drives. I was really surprised Monty didn’t bench him right then. But, he doesn’t have much else to turn to, that’s the only explanation. If he were an older player on a deeper team, that would have been it for 5 games straight. Really tight leash! But here, now? Looser than all get out.
I’d definitely put Carter in there if only because it shows all the players that fundamentally sound basketball wins out over wild, flashy play. Unless you are one of those coaches who brings in Phi Slamma Jamma recruits every year and has little authority over them b/c they are going straight to the NBA in 1 yr anyways! Get Franklin to calm down, set his feet, get balanced, and pick his shots as a strategy and not an impulse and he’s going to be fine. But you gotta get him to STOP doing what he’s doing from a constant heat-check mentality.

Gut has a wild penchant that you don’t really like in a PG. He has been a ton of ridiculous turnovers so far this season. …One handed catch and fire (into the other player or out of bounds), passes into traffic – just trying to be too fancy (read – lazy or technically unsound)…. But, again, Monty doesn’t have anywhere to turn. We’ve all commented enough about how Smith is not a Pac10 level player. The one thing that Smith provides, however, is a level of steadiness and running the offense. Gut will provide some “wow” highlights here and there, and that will encourage enough fans to think he’s our PG or “star” player. But if you are building a team, you don’t start there. I’m just waiting for Cobbs to show what he can do. It’s going to be a long wait, and based upon his stats from MINN last year, I actually expected to continue to be dour this time next year.
That said, I like Gut and think he can improve a lot. This is only his first few games running the point after being a defensive role player the first two years. So, we’ll see.

Most impressive part of this season so far?
How about Kamp and MSF inside. I have considered them significantly undersized inside, but they are holding their own. Kamp has shown great body control and strength inside. And I knew that. But his lift is so much better that 2 yrs ago. And his level of assertion of will over the opponents. Hey – they call that maturity!! Kudos! He’ll never be a Pac10 level player, but he can hold his own and would be a good role player on most teams. Here, at this time, he’s a stud!
MSF is shorter than Kamp, and being heavier, get’s off the ground even less, despite pigmentation advantages. But he’s really cut down on a ton of the silly fouls he committed last year, and has really worked to get that left rook shot going in the lane. I used to have little confidence when it was thrown in the post. Now I’m saying, “Do your thing, Marquise!” AND HE DOES! I know why he flexed at Iowa State. It wasn’t for the Cyclones or their fans. It was for his inner confidence and his coaches who tinkered with subbing him out in favor of bouncy puppy dog Solomon. The more senior MSF is saying, “UUUh. GET OFF! This is MY house!”

The biggest thing for Monty is not so much teaching Gut, Crabbe, and Franklin the finer aspects of the game. It’s recruiting. I remain seriously concerned about this team next year with MSF gone and only 1 skinny dude from the middle of the country coming here to take his place. There’s got to be a recruit rabbit pulled out of Monty’s hat between now and then, b/c he appears to have missed on every other coveted character he would have gone after. Disturbing!
Sure, we expected to have Max and Amoke right now, and that would make a HUGE difference for this team right now. But that’s yesterday’s news. So, I’m waiting for the rabbit. Surely a man of Monty’s stature can manage the feat!

by concordtom on Dec 17, 2010 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

He’ll never be a Pac10 level player

Did you mean “1st team Pac-10-level” or something? Kamp is clearly a Pac 10 level player.

sanity thief

by atomsareenough on Dec 17, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm. Let me see… what did I type?
Yes, Kamp is clearly a Pac-10 level player. That is why I was going out of my way to praise him. Perhaps I meant 1st team Pac-10 or NBA level player.
Was I drinking last night?

by concordtom on Dec 18, 2010 6:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha, I dunno, you tell me :)

sanity thief

by atomsareenough on Dec 18, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Now I’m saying, "Do your thing, Marquise!" AND HE DOES! I

It’d probably be even better if you said “Do your thing, Markhuri!” – being his name and all.

Anyways – he showed these things in flashes last year (usually in the first 5 minutes he was in, before he got tired) – This is why I was excited when I heard he lost 30 pounds.

by LeonPowe on Dec 17, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to mention that his lack of hops right now is because he has plantar fasciitis in both feet as well as a sore Achilles.

Pre-injury, he was blocking shots.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Dec 17, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm. Must have been a good night at the ConcordTom household. Either that or I’m still wondering how Marquise Kately would have finished up at Cal. He had a big game just waiting to happen. Alas….

by concordtom on Dec 18, 2010 7:00 AM PST up reply actions  

so there are these twins I see at the games…

by ondal on Dec 17, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

you’re starting something here you know….

by concordtom on Dec 18, 2010 7:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Jorge "trying to be too fancy," "lazy"?? Smith "not a Pac10 level player"??

It is stunning to me that anyone would suggest that Jorge is both “trying to be too fancy” and maybe is “lazy.”

Jorge has made more than one ill advised drive to the basket and has short armed a few shots in the process. But from what we have seen from Jorge for two and 1/3 years, being the least bit “fancy” and “lazy” are not traits that he has ever displayed. And improving on his shortcomings and errors is a pattern he has consistently followed.

As for Smith’s not being a Pac10 player, then Montgomery must not be a Pac10 level coach. Is it not now apparent that Monty expects to play Smith substantial minutes this year? Does anyone doubt that Monty wants to and will win Pac10 games this year?

I am not arguing Smith is on the verge of being all-Pac10 right now and that he has not made his share of errors to this point—particularly costly was his turnover in the last two minutes against Southern Mississippi. However, he has for the season 30 assists and 21 turnovers, not terribly worse than Jorge’s ratio this year or Randle’s through the first 9 games last year, In the last 5 games this year, Smith’s numbers are beter, 20 assists and 11 turnovers, a sign that he is improving as he gains experience.

To me the dismissive comments about Smith being too slow and too short are not wise, and reflect a lack of understanding of all the qualities that can be summoned by an individual to make him a good, even superior player.

Smith is in the early part of his Cal career. Let’s not pigeon hole him negatively. Let’s instead withold such harsh judgments and see how his game develops.

My hunch is that he will have a career substantially better than that assumed by the naysayers.

by Jimes-boy on Dec 17, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough, Jimes!

What I meant by Gut being lazy is with some of his passes. He is certainly NOT lazy with his all around play. He puts forth about twice as much energy as anyone else in the league! And he has twice the cojones! But he can get lazy in taking care of the ball. It’s a mental habit to not protect it as is required.
And I will grant you that if Smith can develop confidence in his jumper, he will be on to something. The game will slow down for him.

I think Twist must have slipped me a Mickey.

by concordtom on Dec 18, 2010 7:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Franklin is 20 years old.

I’m not sure if he was on the 6-year high school plan, or went on a mission, or whatever, but you would certainly think he would be more mature on the floor than this. I’m actually amazed that Montgomery has stuck with him for this long; he’s absolutely unbearable to watch.
That being said, I’m very pleasantly surprised by this team so far – and they will only get better.

by Tacoma_Mike on Dec 17, 2010 3:00 PM PST reply actions  

Jorge at the Point

I am not really sure what a “natural point guard” is or how he should look, so I shall leave that statement alone…

However, this maligning of Jorge’s work at the point, in the first 9 games where he has started at this position at the college level, I just don’t buy.

“He has been a ton of ridiculous turnovers so far this season.”

Is Randle the standard on this matter? If so, let us look at his first nine games last year—his 4th year playing this position and his second year (if not his 3rd, I really don’t remember) starting and compare them to Jorge’s first 9 games this year:

Randle 46 assists, 29 turnovers Gutierrez 37 assists, 24 turnovers

So, this “ton of turnovers” guy actually had fewer than Randle at this point last year. Their assists to turnovers ratios are quite similar: Randle, 1.59; Jorge, 1.54

What about their points per field goal attempts? After all, much of Randle’s limitations were overlooked because he was a prolific scorer.

Randle 176 points on 123 field goal attempts = 1.43 points per fga

Jorge 116 points on 69 fga = 1.68 points per fga

For those who are committed to the belief that Jorge cannot adequately play the point and who remember Randle without his warts, these statistics will be dismissed on same basis or another. However, popular quotations about statistics lying are themselves mere assertions. Statistics do tell us some things.

Admittedly Jorge has a unique style at the point. Indeed, he has a pretty unique style at every facet of the game. However, basketball games are not won or lost on style, but results.

How many times was the ball taken away from Jerome in his bringing it up the court in years past? A whole lot. I am not absolutely sure on this, but my memory is that this has not happened to Jorge even once this year.

The point is not to chafe at any criticism of Jorge at the point. Or to argue whether or not the two guard fits him better. Rather it is to note how well, in fact, he has handled his change of position. Moreover, given his two plus year record of constant improvement, we can expect that Jorge will get better at the point as the season goes on.

Let us not forget that point guards also play defense and that their defensive prowess or lack thereof plays a large part in any evaluation of them. Does anyone want to make the argument that Jorge’s defensive work at the point is also a liability for this team, particularly in comparison to Randle?

When it comes to intangibles I think about everyone would agree that Jorge’s efforts are constantly above and beyond those of almost everyone else, that his energy, his passion, his relentlessness on the court are inspiring to his teammates, his coaches, and to almost all Cal fans.

Jorge at the point is not a problem for this year’s team, but actually a huge asset.

by Jimes-boy on Dec 17, 2010 3:46 PM PST reply actions  

Wow. It's cool to have a member of the Cal coaching staff come and comment on this board!

Your points are all well taken, and much more astute than mine were last night!

I believe when I wrote my comments above I still had, replaying over and over in my brain, the two plays a couple games ago where Gut had 1 handed passes (like a QB throws a football) that were immediate turnovers. I wanted to hit my hit myself on my head with those. Perhaps I did and that’s what’s to blame for all this!
To bring up Randle, however… he used to get killed on these boards for his wild turnovers. They were called “Randle moments”. No, he was not the prototypical PG (b/c he turned the ball over too often), although he sure provided us with tons of fun and success, and we miss him!

A prototypical PG is someone who can:
1) Call “outlet” and collect the ball in the backcourt. (mental tools)
2) Recognize the defensive pressure and instruct others what he’s going to run in case they don’t automatically do so. (mental tools)
3) Dribble the ball up to the top of the key and initiate the offense, even if there is heavy defensive pressure. (physical tools)
4) Can break down defenses with quick dribble drive penetration. This often results in a secondary defender to get involved, which gives the advantage to the offense. PG can either shoot or pass, but primarily it’s a pass to get others involved and the offensive flow going. Penetration and dish cannot result in a TO. (mostly physical, but some mental tools here)
5) Cannot be a defensive liability. Must at least be able to stop dribble drive by the opponent, and cannot be so small that he gets posted up.

That’s why I expect in my PG as a basic tool set. Do those things and you are on your way. Don’t, and the other team is going to try and trap you in the back court and it’s a totally different game.

As a plus, if a PG can
6) hit the outside J and/or drive and score himself, then you have a star player.
7) If this PG can also wreak Jorge-like havoc, then you have an NBA player.

Of the above 7 items:
Gut can do _________
Smith can do ________

Rather than speak further, since I’ve already put out such gems in this blog, I’ll let you all finish those sentences, or alter the judgment criteria.

by concordtom on Dec 18, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

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