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Should Cam Newton Have Been Suspended By The NCAA?

Now that the offseason is here, we can talk about some hot-button issues. Starting with the hottest one, which is the questionable eligibility of one Cameron Newton.  Since the topic is hot right now, let's talk about it.

Our main man Larry Scott (and Big Ten crankypants commish Jim Delaney) were very critical of the ruling to reinstate Newton:

Scott noted that he did not know all the details of the case, but said: "I know there’s a concern out there about consistency and fairness application and the expectation to take an abundance of caution in looking at these cases. That’s my understanding of the way that schools and conferences are to operate."

Here is part of the official NCAA ruling:

Auburn University football student-athlete Cam Newton is immediately eligible to compete, according to a decision today by the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff. The NCAA concluded on Monday that a violation of amateurism rules occurred, therefore Auburn University declared the student-athlete ineligible yesterday for violations of NCAA amateurism rules.

When a school discovers an NCAA rules violation has occurred, it must declare the student-athlete ineligible and may request the student-athlete’s eligibility be reinstated. Reinstatement decisions are made by the NCAA national office staff and can include conditions such as withholding from competition and repayment of extra benefits. Newton was reinstated without any conditions.

According to facts of the case agreed upon by Auburn University and the NCAA enforcement staff, the student-athlete’s father and an owner of a scouting service worked together to actively market the student-athlete as a part of a pay-for-play scenario in return for Newton’s commitment to attend college and play football. NCAA rules (Bylaw 12.3.3) do not allow individuals or entities to represent a prospective student-athlete for compensation to a school for an athletic scholarship.

 

What are your thoughts on the Cam Newton issue?

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Avinash: Here is the SEC bylaw that was invoked to keep Newton eligible.

Here’s the way it reads:
"If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student-athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career."

So why then is Cam Newton not ineligible, according to SEC bylaws?

The SEC’s explanation is that there was no evidence that Cecil Newton ever agreed to receive money, only evidence that he solicited money.

What does everyone else think?

Kodiak: Yes.  Absolutely.  No question.  He should have been suspended.

The NCAA is revealing/embodying an ugly truth:  they are a mostly toothless, hypocritical and corrupt governing body that exists solely to line their own pockets.  If not for FIFA, they would win whatever sleaze or sleaziest award you might imagine.  They're letting Cam Newton play now in order to boost ratings.  After the season, they'll come up with some type of penalty under the pretense of being tough on crime.  News flash:  you ain't fooling anyone. 

Berkelium97: I'm no lawyer, but I would argue that Cecil Newton violated that bylaw.  Whether or not some money is agreed upon is beyond the control of Cecil Newton. Regardless of any future agreement of terms, he has taken action to indicate that he is willing to agree to some terms involving the exchange of money. By taking this initial step to set up a possibility for agreement of cash exchange, Cecil Newton has effectively broken the bylaw.

Of course, that would mean the admittedly entertaining Auburn offense would probably not make it to the championship game (or at the very least, certainly wouldn't be competitive),so the NCAA has brushed this under the rug for the sake of ratings and revenue. 

TwistNHook: If Auburn didnt make it to the Championship Game and TCU slipped in there, Stanford would go to the Rose Bowl.  They still might (and this is being written the day before the BCS Selection Show, so perhaps this will all be rendered moot), but I am of the opinion that the NCAA is a modern American hero. 

The NCAA is the hero we need AND the hero we deserve. 

Berkelium97: If it truly were the hero we need and deserve, the NCAA's sanctions against USC would have given us the retroactive 2004 Pac-10 title along with joyous memories of a triumphant Rose Bowl win on January 1st, 2005.

Avinash: Twist, what's your legal thoughts on this case?

TwistNHook: Are there any legal ramifications or is this solely within the confines of the NCAA's jurisdiction?

Avinash: I don't know. Perhaps the closest parallel would be the Reggie Bush case. Does anyone remember what the NCAA ruling was there?

TwistNHook: Well, I think it is important to keep separate things separate.  The NCAA has jurisdiction over amateur collegiate sports.  It is unclear to me what, if any, jurisdiction state or federal civil courts have.  The NCAA can punish USC and/or Reggie Bush independent of anything relevant to a state or federal court.  And they did so. 

As such, I would not use the word "legal" as I am not sure it is relevant to this situation here. 

This article has more info:

Slight Legislative Change
Legislation could be proposed that would address the exact situation in the case. Specifically, Bylaw 12.3.3, the bylaw cited by the SAR staff, could be editted to read something like this:

12.3.3 – Athletics Scholarship Agent.
Any individual, agency or organization that represents a prospective student-athlete or his or her parent(s), guardian(s), or immediate family for compensation in placing the prospective student-athlete in a collegiate institution as a recipient of institutional financial aid shall be considered an agent or organization marketing the individual’s athletics ability or reputation. (additions in bold)

Major Legislative Change
An alternate new version of Bylaw 12.3.3 may read very similarly, but would have a much greater impact:

12.3.3 – Athletics Scholarship Agent.
Any individual, agency or organization that represents a prospective student-athlete or an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete for compensation in placing the prospective student-athlete in a collegiate institution as a recipient of institutional financial aid shall be considered an agent or organization marketing the individual’s athletics ability or reputation.(additions in bold)

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He floats!

Well, you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

by SoCal Oski on Dec 15, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

No, no. What else floats in water?

by Redonkulous Bear on Dec 15, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Very small rocks … apples …. lead …

Well, you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

by SoCal Oski on Dec 15, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.

by Redonkulous Bear on Dec 15, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell me. What do you do with witches?

by Redonkulous Bear on Dec 15, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

BURN EM

It’s a nice place for people to go watch your stupid [2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants].

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 15, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

And what do you burn, apart from witches?

by Redonkulous Bear on Dec 15, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Ducks?

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by Berkelium97 on Dec 15, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

MORE WITCHES

It’s a nice place for people to go watch your stupid [2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants].

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 15, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Good. Now, why do witches burn?

by Redonkulous Bear on Dec 15, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

No, no. Why else would witches burn?

by Redonkulous Bear on Dec 15, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Good. So how do you tell whether Cam Newton is made of wood?

by Redonkulous Bear on Dec 15, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

See if he….weighs less than a duck?

It’s a nice place for people to go watch your stupid [2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants].

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 15, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

If he weighed the same or less than a duck… he’s made of wood.

And therefore…

by Redonkulous Bear on Dec 15, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes, I am so proud to associate with CGB.

Old Toothwrangler

by Kodiak on Dec 15, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes, the compulsive haterade consumption here on CGB makes me cringe.

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by atomsareenough on Dec 15, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I was referring to the extensive Monty Python references.

Should you, through extensive over-compensation, hypersensitivity, and/or generalized bandwagon associated complexes find additional fault…well, that’s something we hope science will one day be able to cure.

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by Kodiak on Dec 15, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

At other times?
Not so much?

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by SonofCalifornia on Dec 16, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's Say That Alabama Went Wire to Wire...

And the SEC still fielded a berth in the title game, then Newton would’ve been suspended. The NCAA is pretty savvy. They can cash in now, and then wag their finger and take action later, you know, after everybody’s gotten fat.

by archstanton707 on Dec 15, 2010 4:09 PM PST reply actions  

Yep

I definitely think they’ll wait a couple years while supposedly conducting an investigation to hand down punishments. Although there was some backlash from the Reggie Bush infractions, it’s clear that it didn’t hurt NCAA football as a whole. I believe that the backlash would have been significantly worse if they had handed down punishment right away in this or the Bush case, which is why nothing will come of this for a couple years at least.

by jali on Dec 15, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

That is exactly what is going on here.

Auburn is in deep shit.

by Cali49a on Dec 15, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Gravy for the goose

I actually see this as worse than Reggie Bu$h, as he got his payment after signing with the cheating trojies (though there may have been a hush-hush deal beforehand). But Cam’s dad was openly soliciting bids.

I doubt very much Cam knew less about these shenanigans than Bu$h.

Well, you're not hardcore unless you live hardcore.

by SoCal Oski on Dec 15, 2010 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

Cecil, and Cam, and Auburn put the NCAA in a tough situation.

If they suspend Cam and then and up clearing him later – major shitstorm.

If they let it slide because there was so much riding on his continued participation – major shitstorm, along with blowing a ginormous hole in a pretty major rule.

This really bugs me about it:

When a school discovers an NCAA rules violation has occurred, it must declare the student-athlete ineligible and may request the student-athlete’s eligibility be reinstated.

This happened in, what, January? That’s when MSU reported it to the SEC, so the SEC knew way back then. Unless the SEC was pretty grossly negligent in the whole thing (which they quite likely were), that means Auburn should have known at the very least before the season started. They didn’t just wait to suspend until the media story broke, they waited until they could arrange a little mid week token day with the NCAA.

And of course, if I weren’t a Duck fan, and if I weren’t about 75% sure that this is destined to end with Auburn beating Oregon only to have it vacated but not forfeited in a couple years, I would care far less. It’s a ridiculous ruling from a fair-application-to-all and consistency standpoint, but this is the NCAA, so really, what would you expect.

by omb on Dec 15, 2010 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

This happened in, what, January? That’s when MSU reported it to the SEC, so the SEC knew way back then.

That is not true at all. It was reported in November 2010

by Cali49a on Dec 15, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really.

There was some delay getting the info through the system, but (having looked a little more into it), MSU alerted the SEC in January, the SEC informed Auburn of the issue in July.

Sorry SEC for insinuating you were negligent. And Auburn… yes, they did know before the season.

by omb on Dec 16, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I have to learn to read better.

by Cali49a on Dec 17, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

 I understand the various reasons why the NCAA cleared him for the time being.

I mean the Reggie Bush case took ~4 years to deliver a verdict and as much as we’d like to condemn Cam Newton for his (pretty obvious) infractions immediately, the NCAA moves painfully slow and that is the system we are stuck with. If the NCAA had suspended Cam mid-season and then somewhere found out down the line that he in fact had not violated any rules (albeit a seemingly minute possibility now), they would be solely responsible for ruining not only Cam’s season/career, but for taking Auburn out of the MNCG race.

We are supposed to uphold the “innocent until proven guilty” ideal, and as it stands Cam is still innocent in the eyes of the NCAA. When the investigation wraps up (in hopefully less than 4 years), we will likely see a whole bunch of sanctions and award strippings and maybe even have a second year w/o a Heisman winner and/or MNC.

Its a crappy system and I feel that Cam and Auburn are guilty, but until its proven beyond reasonable doubt that violations occurred, I have to say let him play.

"Remember the Maine! TO HELL WITH STANFORD!"

by CruzinBears on Dec 15, 2010 4:42 PM PST reply actions  

Part of the thing is, the NCAA doesn't really go on a guilty-beyond-reasonable-doubt standard.

A lot of the time, probably most of the time, they’re operating with something more like the civil more-likely-than-not standard. If they’re going to decide to change that from now on, fine. It’s just shady when they only pull it out for Cammy Cam.

by omb on Dec 15, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

The NCAA did determine the Cecil Newton violated NCAA rules beyond any doubt (by confession). The question is is Cam responsible for his fathers actions if he was completely unaware of it. Before this situation everyone would have said yes. Now no one knows.

by bearbacker on Dec 15, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Typically, children aren’t held responsibility for the crimes of their parents, absent some evidence the child was involved in that crime. I have no idea what evidence the NCAA has. Maybe they have really solid evidence that Cam was involved, and they have given him a full and fair opportunity to explain his side of the case. If so, the should be suspended. If not, then he should not be suspended.

How ya gonna keep 'em down on the Farm, after they've seen Berkeley?

by CalBear81 on Dec 15, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

From the info I have been passed on, get your popcorn ready. The investigation is taking some time because of the money involved with the MNC game but the FBI is also involved and they are uncovering some pretty entertaining stuff down at Auburn. Auburn is going to make SC look like choir boys.

by Cali49a on Dec 15, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Bobby Lowder is a piece of work.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Dec 15, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

So, which choir are you going to pick, DC?? :)

sanity thief

by atomsareenough on Dec 15, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

St Martin in the Fields.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Dec 15, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yes. They did lovely work in Amadeus. And the church is spectacular since the refurb a few years ago. Well picked, DC.

by Scootie on Dec 15, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

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by LeonPowe on Dec 16, 2010 4:14 AM PST up reply actions  

That Malzahn contract sounds super-sketchy. 1.3 mil for an offensive coordinator???

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by Avinash Kunnath on Dec 16, 2010 1:55 AM PST up reply actions  

What say you, then, if things stand as they are, about the precedent that any parent of a top recruit could potentially ask for money without any repercussions so long as the student himself is kept nominally or even supposedly “in the dark”?

sanity thief

by atomsareenough on Dec 15, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely. Open season in the SEC.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Dec 15, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think I like where this is going.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Dec 15, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Dillon Baxter at SC was suspended temporarily for riding around in a frigging golf cart with a guy who knew a guy who was an agent or some such crap….so Cam’s daddy who done wrong, in fact SO WRONG he didn’t even go to the awards ceremony because of the shame and media attention. Of course the NCAA, BCS committee and Bowl selection committees are in cahoots….they are the modern day version of Tammany Hall. They are corrupt at least from a money standpoint. The week or month after the NC game, Cam and Auburn will most likely be punished since all the guys who don’t want to leak stuff now will come out of the woodwork…..we already now the SEC is the cheating Capitol of CFB… the NCAA will do what is best their own interest which is to line their pockets and look the other way until the media put so much attention on them they will have to act so as not to look like foolish bureaucrats…which of course, they are

by Cal_Fan2 on Dec 15, 2010 5:34 PM PST reply actions  

i dont get it. The NCAA did determine that Cecil Newton broke rules and everyone has been lead to believe that a parent acting on behalf of the kid can mean that the kid can become ineligible. This means that Cam is ineligible to play. The NCAA could have suspended him for 1/2 a game or one game but it should have had some sort of punishment. By not doing anything it has opened a whole can of worms that if not corrected soon will destroy the credibility of the NCAA and make a mockery of amateurism.

by bearbacker on Dec 15, 2010 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

I think the NCAA lost all credibility a long time ago. Ditto amateurism.

How ya gonna keep 'em down on the Farm, after they've seen Berkeley?

by CalBear81 on Dec 15, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

That paints a picture.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Dec 15, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I can’t believe this isn’t green yet, just for eloquence.

sanity thief

by atomsareenough on Dec 15, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

sorted.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Dec 15, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The NCAA seems to have backed themselves into a corner

It’s hard to see where the NCAA can go from here. They’ve already indicated that Cecil Newton was up to shenanigans. The rule about parents of players being involved seems to have been ignored, perhaps in the interest of developing the idea that you can solicit without intent to receive. And the unofficial rule cited in the sanctions handed to SC, that high profile players require high profile supervision, seems to have gone out of the window as well.

I think it’s a combination of selective enforcement and organizational cowardice. If Newton were ineligible, the chances of Auburn winning the National Championship game plummet – enough so that I suspect Auburn would have taken legal action against the NCAA.

But in exchange for this sleight of hand, the NCAA opens themselves up to challenges in the future when multiple programs cite the “but player X didn’t know!” card. In order to avoid contention now, the NCAA has put a sign-post up to people who think they have an incentive to try anything to recruit and retain players, as to how to attempt to evade sanction. It’s hard to see how this is a ruling for anything other than stability and revenue… in which case, why not just drop the pretense?

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Dec 15, 2010 8:03 PM PST reply actions  

I have a simple question

Who cares?

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Dec 16, 2010 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

Auburn players, coaches, fans, donors
Oregon fans
Bama fans
The entire SEC
The Heisman Trust
ESPN
CBS
The FBI
CGB’s moderators

Did you care about U$C’s sanctions? (Its the same thing here)

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by CruzinBears on Dec 16, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you care about USC’s sanctions?

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YES I DID.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 16, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

What loophole?

Everyone is blathering on about the “loophole” and now any parent can keep his child in the dark and go out and shop them to all the colleges; the NCAA has ruled that that is indeed the case… so what?

They did not take out the rule that once a school agrees to the pitch, then a violation has occurred. So, where is the loophole?

In the Newton case, the NCAA ruled that Newton the father spoke to representatives of Mississippi State University about a pay to play arrangement. Presumably, this happened without Cam’s knowledge. Also, apparently, MSU did not agree to this arrangement. By the rules, no agreement was reached between MSU and Mr. Newton, so MSU is not in violation and Cam didn’t know about it so his eligibility is not impacted.

If you think about it, how else could the rule work?

You can quibble about whether Cam knew or not; ok, but it is nearly impossible to prove. You can speculate about whether MSU actually agreed or not, but it is not in their best interest to admit something like that, so it is highly unlikely they will self report an infraction where they didn’t even successfully land the recruit. Or you can wildly speculate that somehow Auburn is impacted in anyway since, to date, there has been absolutely zero information that in anyway related Auburn to anything that would cause a problem with the NCAA.

The cynical (or the fans of other schools) will go on saying that if MSU was pitched and AU landed him, then AU must have paid! Well, not exactly. And with the exception of the blogosphere, no one has even remotely implied that. Quite the opposite, the NCAA has gone out of its way to exonerate AU… when exactly has that happened in the past?

Again the cynical will say that is due to the money involved with AU having the possibility of an SEC and NCAA championship, but that doesn’t hold water. The NCAA could have just kept quiet. There was no precedent for making a statement as they did.

Lastly, this case does not quite fit the Bush case. In that instance, Bush and/or his family was given a house and other tangible things of value; that key aspect, the payoff, is what is missing in the Newton case. The case more similar to this one is the Albert Means case. In that one, Means’ high school coach was paid $250k by a booster of Alabama to direct Means to sign with Alabama. Means did. When this came to light, the NCAA put Alabama on probation and Means was allowed to transfer to Memphis and complete out his career.

Means was determined to not have known, so his eligibility was only impacted at Alabama. In that case, because the school was involved and money changed hands, the SEC determined that Means was not eligible to play at any other SEC school.

The parallel is there with the missing element being the money changing hands. That is why the NCAA and the SEC both ruled (already) that Cam is eligible to play at Auburn. If questioned, my guess is that they would rule him ineligible at MSU, but that is a moot point.

by wcage on Dec 16, 2010 11:58 AM PST reply actions  

His father admitted to wanting $180k and

suddenly he picked AU…we are expected to believe he just choose AU? For nothing?

It is embarrassing that anyone would believe that

by Alious on Dec 16, 2010 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

Really???

Why so cynical? Cam was recruited by other schools including Oklahoma. None of them, zero, has stated anything like this happened with them. The only smoke is coming from MSU. Kenny Rogers is a known purveyor of athletes. I’m sure he wanted Cam there. They are rebuilding their team. A reasonable scenario is that Rogers approached Cam’s dad and he bit. Reality? Who knows? But it has as much validity as any of the other posts on this. Per Lars Anderson, MSU boosters soliciting a recruit appears to be the reason for the continued investigation. No other schools have yet reported Cam’s dad shopped him to them. If the NCAA had knowledge that he did shop him to other schools it’s hard to believe they would have declared him eligible. Also, keep in mind, no one had any idea how good this kid would be. Heck, Auburn didn’t know until the South Carolina game. Barrett Trotter and Cam competed for QB this Spring. It was a stiff competition. So why would Auburn risk paying for a good QB when they already had a good QB? The embarrassment is that people put more confidence in there presuppositions than their facts.

by wtimbeng on Dec 17, 2010 6:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Anything that brings shame and discredit upon the NCAA is a good thing. It is a den of pimps and swindlers.

So have a ball, Cam. You’re helping to make the case for greater oversight and regulation of collegiate athletics.

by Monica's Dad on Dec 17, 2010 10:36 AM PST reply actions  

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